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ITT Technical Institute ripoff THE TRUTH, so you don't get ripped off West Covina California

*Consumer Comment... Still dealing with ITT TECH SCUM, any advice would be helpful.

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ITT Technical Institute

1530 W. Cameron Ave.
West Covina California 91790
U.S.A.
Phone:  626-960-8681
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Category: Adult Career & Continuing Education


Submitted: Monday, August 22, 2005

Last posting: Friday, January 29, 2010
If you are interested in attending ITT Technical Institute any where in the United States, please email me and reconsider. I, unfortunately, was a High School Recruiter for the company for almost a year and it was absolutely horrible. I experienced how greedy, and money hungry the management of the school is. I experienced the "used car lot" sales techniques that were used to persuade people to go to school there. I experienced the lies and dreams the successful recruiters used which made them successful. Pretty much, my whole experience working there was horrible. The only thing that kept me there a year was the fact that the position I was in paid pretty good, and I didn't have to work that hard. But that's a whole other story. I briefly want to describe how bad of a place ITT Technical Institute is and hopefully this will reach some one before it's too late.

ITT Technical Institute is a for-profit institution. This means basically that the school is there to make money, and making money is it's #1 priority. They have raised tuition $200 a unit over the last 4-5 years and there's no signs of it stopping. Next years cost will be $410 per unit. Definitely not worth it since it's a watered down education. So, since ITT Tech is all about making money, they are also about cutting corners. They don't hire teachers fulltime because they don't want to pay for employee benefits. This means they are not concerned with finding the best teachers, but in other words, they want to find a teacher who fits their schedule. They print their own textbooks, which are absolutely horrible and filled with mistakes, and they save money on that as well. Remember, they're trying to make money, and you as a student is NOT their concern. Another example to prove my point on this is the online courses. One out of three courses for a quarter is online, and ITT Tech did not do this to make it easier on the student, they did it to save money. WIth an online course, they don't have to pay a teacher, and they don't have to worry about being held accountable for the course. Funny thing is, ITT Tech preaches "Hands on Education." But, how do you receive a "Hands on Education" if you're online in front of a computer?

ITT Technical Institute pays their "Recruiters" a lot of money. In fact, the "Recruiters" are paid more than the people in financial aide and the people in financial aide work a lot harder than the "Recruiters." The "Recruiters" make so much money because they're the ones who are suppossed to find people to fill the seats. People don't go to ITT Tech because they want to, most of the time these "Recruiters" fill their heads with dreams and these dreams are what gets the students in the seats. Once you're a student with ITT Tech, they have your money and they really don't care too much more for you. Also, the "Recruiters" are given raises based only on how many students they get to start school, and that's against the law, but some how, no one is catching it. THis basically means that a "Recruiter" will say anything to get a student to sit in class, and I mean they'll say anything. I heard it daily and it made me sick. False advertising like I've never seen before. That goes for their cheesy commercials too.

ITT Technical Institute's units do not transfer to any real college or university. It even says this in their brochure. ITT Tech's units do not transfer because the education is watered down. What I mean by watered down is, the education you are paying for definitely isn't the education you are getting. Many students complained about the online courses and how they were confusing, but yet nothing was done. With an online course, you are basically teaching yourself. The General Ed. courses are basically Junior College material, if even that, and they're only avaiable because part of being accredited means they have to have them. The knowledge you learn at ITT Tech, is pretty much only good for an entry level position and that's not getting you much money like the "Recruiters" promised you would get before you enrolled. With ITT Tech, you're paying for a private school, but only getting about a Junior College level education.

ITT Tech, they're vultures when it comes to low income families and students and they market themselves towards them. If a family comes in and they have nothing saved for college, or there's no way the student is getting a scholarship, the people at ITT Tech will see a perfect opportunity. They'll try to find every loan possible, even through private banks, and basically, they'll find loans to cover your tuition and then say "see, you can go to school with no out of pocket expenses." But, those loans will end up being a very large amount and will probably put the student in debt for the rest of their lives.

Now, there are some small positive things about ITT Tech, but the bad definitely out weight the good. My cousin graduated from ITT Tech in 1999-2000, and he is pissed off at himself for going to school there because he now realizes how bad the education was, and how much he still owes because of it. I was able to save 2 students from going to school there and I hope they're at a real college getting the education they deserve.

If you need information, you can email me and I'll be more than happy to respond. Or you can simply just put a rebuttal to this and I'll eventually see it.

Basically, DO NOT GO TO ITT TECHNICAL INSTITUTE because it's definitely not worth it. Go to a JC, get your GE and then go to a real College or University.

Hope this saves someone!

Caster Troy

Caster
Pomona, California
U.S.A.



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WHAT IS THIS TRUE FOR DALLAS AS WELL?

Cathye - Dallas (U.S.A.)

SUBMITTED: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 POSTED: Tuesday, August 23, 2005
Hello.
I really would like to know more about ITT from your perspective.
I am starting to feel really sceptical about them and now that I see all these reports I'm getting terrified!! Just some of your comments reminded me how the financial aid lady was so kind and she begin telling me that she worked there for years and how great the school was and that she would advise her own children to go there.
I am a single Mom and my prioritys are my children. If it wasnt for them I probably wouldnt even be trying to further my education.
So my question is (aplogies if I sound "duh")but does all their institutions practice the same way?
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Hope this helps...

Caster - Pomona (U.S.A.)

SUBMITTED: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 POSTED: Tuesday, August 23, 2005
Cathye,

Glad someone saw this. Now, you said you saw a Financial Aid representative correct? If so, I'm assuming you passed the entrance exam with no problem then. Didn't you think something was wrong with the entrance exam? Maybe the fact you could go in there and guess on every question and most likely pass? Basically, that's just another point I have against this place. They make it out to be some cool, highly thought of, institution and they're not.

Now about Dallas, I bet the ITT Tech you checked out didn't have Bachelors Degrees. I know in the state of Texas, ITT Tech only had Associates available. So, look at another example of how shady this place is. Say I graduate from a ITT Tech with a Bachelors in Information Systems Security in California and move to Texas a year later. Now I pretty much have a degree that is not worth anything at all because it is not even recognized as a real degree in that state.

Also, I'm positive the recruiting techniques are the same from state to state because they have to find students some way, some how. Students are not graduating high school with dreams or hopes of attending ITT Tech, so the school has to find students some how. And when they find those students, they're going to fill their heads with great visions and say "now that you see those visions, watch how ITT Tech and only ITT Tech can take you there." Problem is, not many people are seeing those dreams come true that a lot of the "Recruiters" are promising.

Ask yourself a question Cathye, if ITT Technical Institute was such a great school, would they really need to have "Recruiters" double as telemarketers? I ask that, because when "Recruiters" are not taking prospective students on tours, they're on the phone dialing 50-60 different numbers a day trying to find someone to come in for a tour. ALso, high school "Recruiters" are in the high schools lying to seniors and getting prospective students that way as well.

Like I said earlier, I could go on and on, but I won't. I think you should take a few things into prospective about your Dallas Campus. Are there any Junior Colleges any where close? Do they have the programs you're looking for. May take a year or so longer from a JC but it definitely won't be as much.

Anyways, like I said earlier, I could go on for days. If you would like more proof, email me or reply to this, and I'll respond.

Hope I'm helping someone make the right decision.
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ITT is generally worthless

Jason - Simpsonville (U.S.A.)

SUBMITTED: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 POSTED: Wednesday, August 24, 2005
I have worked with alot of ITT grads in the past, and most generally agree that it's not worth it.

In this area, we have a good 2 year technical college (Greenville Technical College) that has both a Computer and Industrial Electronics track. The first big difference is that it costs less than half to attend Greenville Tech vs ITT, and the second is that you come out with a far better education. We will hire just about anyone who went through Greenville Tech, but ITT grads seem like they have been taught A+B=C and can't figure out on their own that C-A=B.

My opinion, and maybe the ITT people I have dealt with have been the exception rather than the rule.
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Thanks Jason...

Caster - Pomona (U.S.A.)

SUBMITTED: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 POSTED: Wednesday, August 24, 2005
Jason,

If more people like you would step up, then more people would stop attending this institution and they would eventually have to close their doors. Only thing keeping ITT Tech alive, is the fact that new people are starting school there every 3 months because of the quarter system. If people would stop listening to the marketing department and their "Recruiters", then this place would be in a heap of trouble.

ITT Tech has a problem keeping the students in the seats once they have started in a program, so a lot of the manpower has to be used to fill these empty seats. Empty seats to ITT Tech means some stock holders aren't getting their money and that's not how it's suppossed to be.

Jason, don't hire ITT Tech grads and continue to hire from that other College because it sounds like they're at least providing some sort of higher education. And remember, it's not the ITT Tech grad's fault, it's the management's fault and the greedy stock holders as well. Don't blame the student, blame the institution!

Caster Troy
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Good and Bad of ITT -- Mostly Bad though

Michelle - Stowe (U.S.A.)

SUBMITTED: Friday, September 02, 2005 POSTED: Friday, September 02, 2005
Contrary to what you said, ITT does hire full time instructors, I was one of them.

I agree with your comment for ITT students to go to a JC, complete their GE courses and transfer to a "real" college or university.

BUT the fact of the matter is that ITT caters to those students that simply cannot make it or cannot get into a real college; this is their niche market. ITT students want a degree soooo badly that they are willing to pay the STEEP price ITT charges compared to other schools for that degree.

As a former instructor I can say that we tried to provide our students with the BEST education we can, at least I did and from my interactions with other instructors, we cared about their learning experience.

I would say that only about 1%-3% of top ITT students get good entry level jobs with big companies like Northrup Gruman or other major aerospace companies, etc. from my experience. These are the students who did well and the fact is, these students could've went to a JC and did well, BUT ITT did bring these huge companies in to interview their students. To play devil's advocate, if these students went to a JC I am not entirely convinced that they would have applied at one of these major companies, so ITT networks and brings the companies in for the students. But again, only a VERY small percentage of ITT grads get these kinds of jobs. Others are simply left jobless. But the career center tries very hard to find them a job, but the fact is that it can be hard for these students at the bottom to land a job for a variety of reasons.

Management may indeed be concerned about the bottom line as ITT is for profit, but from my experience, everyone at my campus, from reps to instructors and the top management did seem to care about students and want them to succeed, because if students did not succeed, the school would not.

But in the final analysis, for the price ITT charges and the education provided, I agree with the original post that students considering ITT should just go to a junior college if they can't get into a 4-year one yet, study hard, complete your GE's and transfer to a 4-year university. It will be cheaper and the education will be at least as good, if not better than an ITT education in terms of cost.

A former ITT instructor
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Reply, Some good points...

Caster - Pomona (U.S.A.)

SUBMITTED: Friday, September 02, 2005 POSTED: Friday, September 02, 2005
Michelle,

Thanks for the reply Michelle. I have to admit, I was a little harsh in the opening complaint, but it was with a good conscience and it had a lot of backing. But, I do agree with a few things that you have said.

I do agree that there are people who work at these Institutions who care about the students. I believe a few instructors at each campus around the country actually do care about the well being of their students. I also think though that there are a lot of instructors there just simply filling a space and collecting a paycheck. Unfortunately, the good instructors are sometimes limited to what they can actually do in their own classrooms because of budgets or other issues. Another issue about the teachers. A student, after his/her first quarter with the school, will only see an instructor twice a week, and the third course will be online. Like I always say, how can a place be "hands on" and you're learning from home.

I do believe there are a lot of good people in the Career Services departments around the country trying to find these students jobs. And I bet they actually are somewhat concerned about the well being of the students after graduation. But the fact of the matter is, they can work there butts off looking for jobs, but ITT Technical degrees are not looked upon that highly, if even recognized at all.

So, I do acknowledge that there are quality people working at ITT Techs across the country. But I really don't see how they justify there prices, and some of the practices that they follow. It's just a little bit absurd to me that a degree from a place such as this is as much as a private college or university. And it's not as expensive as it is because it's highly appreciated. It's at this high of a cost because it has stock holders to account to...(I really don't have time to continue now)

Anyways, thanks Michelle once again. I know you were one of the people who probably tried to make a difference, but was held back by the people you have to call "boss." I hope you're in a better situation now.
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So true . . .

Michelle - Stowe (U.S.A.)

SUBMITTED: Saturday, September 03, 2005 POSTED: Saturday, September 03, 2005
Regarding what you said:

I know you were one of the people who probably tried to make a difference, but was held back by the people you have to call "boss."

This is so true. And my bosses wanted to do good, but they were held back by their bosses and ITT regulations.
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As a former student I agree with the original post...

Steve - Woodland Hills (U.S.A.)

SUBMITTED: Friday, October 21, 2005 POSTED: Friday, October 21, 2005
I am an ITT Grad who also went to the West Covina campus. I graduated back in 1993, and I guess that this school has gone down hill since then. Back before the computer and Internet boom, the “hands on” experience was truly “hands-on!” We worked with electronic components, lasers, microwaves, RF circuits and many other things. For a class project I built a VLF Receiver with a 10 ft. antenna to pick up atmospheric emissions and, I hoped, military communications (I never got those, but I did pick up “morning chirp” which was somewhat rare).
Anyway, the point is that we had great teachers and those who really wanted to learn learned quite a bit. Everybody got A's and B's, but I felt that the education quality was quite good. I still have many of my textbooks and most are still relevant to today's technology world.

After graduation I worked for TRW and Sony, and today I make over $50k with an entertainment production company near Los Angeles.

So what's wrong with ITT – here is were the “but” comes in.

I have never been able to move into any management position and nobody from my class or any other ITT grad that I know has ever moved up the corporate ladder. None, zip, zero. There probably those that have, but I know of nobody who has actually managed to do it. My degrees are A.A.S. and A.B.S. degrees; the first letter of both standing for “Applied!” They are quasi-degrees. They will get you in the door as technicians, but good luck going anywhere else.
If you want to get a real degree, like I do, then you will have to start the education process all over again! No UC or CSU school will accept ITT credits. I'm doing now what I should have done a long time ago – I back in the CA community college system and will transfer to a University in spring of '06.

If you are planning to going to ITT, do yourself a huge favor and explore the CC system FIRST! Even if you are only interested in electronics, or computers, or drafting, the CC system has a better program and it's much cheaper. $26.00 per unit!
In general, you should avoid “for-profit” schools like the plague unless you absolutely have to go to one.

Employers are fully aware of the ITT, DeVry, UOP, AIU campuses and if they see any of those on your resume you will most likely be laughed out of the building. Or you will begin at an entry-level position and watch for years as others with degrees from real universities pass you by on the corporate ladder like you are standing still!
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Steve - Phila (U.S.A.)

SUBMITTED: Monday, December 12, 2005 POSTED: Monday, December 12, 2005
I'm glad I come to this site.

Itt won't last long if everyone defends and takes these morons to court. They want $100 up front for after testing. I took the test twice so I know where you all come from. If they tell you that you can't get that money back tell them your going to the state. Its bullshit.
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DON'T DO IT.....

Caster - Pomona (U.S.A.)

SUBMITTED: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 POSTED: Tuesday, December 13, 2005
PEOPLE,

If more people keep posting rebuttals, and more people express their dissatisfaction with the school, maybe more people will stop attending the classes and they will be forced to close their doors.


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Hey caster ..They want $100 up front first and the testing.

Steve - Phila (U.S.A.)

SUBMITTED: Wednesday, December 14, 2005 POSTED: Wednesday, December 14, 2005
You go thru a skills test to see what you can answer. All the schools do it. If I were to go back I would deliberately fail. They pressure you to go for the schooling and then $33,800? If I'm paying that money I'd better get the education and they better find me something.

If anyone went to the school and you have enough knowledge of what you learned then work for yourself.

If everyone keeps posting and an attorney reads this thats all they need.
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I am Currently enrolled in itt tech, BIG MISTAKE!!!!

Erin - Hilliard (U.S.A.)

SUBMITTED: Wednesday, December 14, 2005 POSTED: Wednesday, December 14, 2005
Dear Readers,

I attend the Hilliard,ohio location.

Well to start off , i wish i would have known about this site sooner, it would have saved me an education that i cant use now.
I am in MY 7th quarter and just want to get it over with now. i am including just some of the many incidents i have endured through going to this " College" .

1. The text for the courses are mainly misprinted and do nothing but confuse the user.
and we have gone through at least 4 brands of text.
2.Registering for classes has been a hassle ..period. They just now sent me my revised schedule three weeks into the quarter stated i was registerd for the wrong courses ( i am a CNS student) they had me registered for CEET..
3. I Do agree with the orginal poster on the scam and tactics to get the lower middle class ( like myself) to enroll . i was bribed with a bright future in CNS, but i realize now what will happen if they stay open , everyone will be put into the whole process . we will all graduate and be put into the field with a 3rd rate education with a first rate price tag.

4. Itt Tech's ways of teaching are just utterly horrid. I was put through a course in which my intructor is a programmer by trade ,NOT A TEACHER! he rambled on for hours on end and when he ran into an error in his programming he sent us on a BREAK! until he attempted to fix the issue. And then when we got back he said he couldnt fix it so we went to lab. and he was always mean and rude to us when we ask for help.
this quarter i got fed up with it and admitted to my recently graduated 20-something college instructor that we in FACT do pay at least 20% of there salaries and for what a an educator like her self to sit there and say please print screen and save to mspaint. she dosent explain to us what were doing she just tells us to do it.
5. The Management and Fin. Aid is poorly organized and run . i have gone through at least 3 differnet fin. aid reps. since ive started. Everytime i have a complaint i go to the Dean of Academics in my school .. and its gotten to the point that there is so much to complian about they know me by name. Which is really sad if you think about it.

6. Online Courses- In two words. They Suck.
We started this new "hybrid" course structure this quarter where you spend two hrs in school in addition to what we already spend on campus.
Anyways , I have recieved substanial errors with the " questa" system. I recieve tutoring on mondays from a fellow student and we attempted to work the same quizzes out on paper and got the right answers to it ( we double checked the paper answers with a certified mathmetician) and we were proven incorrect according to questa when in fact if you do the problem according to the subset rules in the online area we should have been correct ( it even offered the answer as a choice) and i still ended up failing the quiz. But the questa system is down half the time anyways so there is absoultely now way to meet the deadline.

In Conclusion , There are more downers then uppers in attending this school. my advice is to just keep on moving past all the recruitment calls ( telemarketing tactics at its best ;p) ,
And go to a four yr or cc college . you will be much better off . Please heed all warnings you have read here cause they are true. DO NOT GO TO ITT TECH. IF YOU DO WATCH YOUR FIN. AID like a hawk.

Thank you for taking the time to read this,
Erin
P.s what i didnt include was i had already talked with my states board of colleges .. i suggest the others to do the same.
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Hey Erin

Steve - Phila (U.S.A.)

SUBMITTED: Thursday, December 15, 2005 POSTED: Thursday, December 15, 2005
I just read what you put in. The "instructor" is being mean to you. If they are file harassment charges against the school and sue them for twice as much so that way you can get that money back. If I was harassed I would have slammed the teacher.

If it gets worse call the police and tell them to get the FBI since they scam everyone.

You people don't have to fall for it. If I did go and same thing would have happened to me the State would get involved.

I was just sent a notice in the mail about fall semester. I flatout told the administrator I'm not interested. Don't let these schools fool you.
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Student I feel like i have wasted 2 years of my life.

John - Antioch (U.S.A.)

SUBMITTED: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 POSTED: Wednesday, February 15, 2006
I Completly agree with everything said. I am also a 7th quarter student and wish i would have known this before i enrolled.

There is this one teacher who is absolutly terrible, knows nothing about what he is teaching and somehow he still has his job. The school does surveys and instructor evaluations every quarter. Everyone in the school bashes him and gives him the lowest score possible and they have done nothing about it. Kids are constantly transfering out of his classes.

Also, you were 100% right about the credits not transfering. I have checking into about 20 schools in IL, and none of them will accept ITT credits. NOT ONE. The only place i can tranfer my credits to is Devry... Ohh joy.

The lab equipment at the school is terrible. In the "library" i did a count just yeterday and 5 out of 10 of the computers did not work at all. Its the same way in the labs too. Nothing ever works.

The entrance exam.. give me a break. I want to know if its possible to fail this. This one kid in my class has to be the dumbest kid in the world, somehow the school accepted him, and hes made it to quarter 7. He only shows up for 4 of the 12 weeks. In my advanced linux class close to finals time he turned around and asked me where the terminal was. That is probably the first thing anyone ever learns about linux. Yet, somehow he still passes all the classes.

I feel like i have wasted 2 years of my life. Right now i am trying to decide what to do. Transfer into devry, or im even considering just starting over and going to a community college and going on from there. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
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Not Surprised!

Caster - Pomona (U.S.A.)

SUBMITTED: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 POSTED: Wednesday, March 01, 2006
To all,

Well it's definitely not a surprise to me that the complaints about this so called "institution" are growing. I mean look at what people from across the whole country are saying and reporting. It's a complete mess and a lot of unfortunate people are being taken advantage of.

What we need to continue to do is report our own situations and dealings with this "institution" on public boards so that the word continues to spread. Remember, I'm just trying to help people make the best decisions so that they're not left with a great amount of debt and a worthless degree.

If all of us keep speaking our minds then maybe someone out their will be forced to listen.
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Thought this Scam sounded familiar....

Hunter - Milwaukie (U.S.A.)

SUBMITTED: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 POSTED: Wednesday, March 01, 2006
I knew I had heard about this company before. We here in Portland had the Feds deal with our local branch. I dug up the article, here it is...

-- Start of article

February 25, 2004
Report: Feds search ITT Tech's Portland campus

Federal agents on Wednesday searched the Indianapolis headquarters of ITT Technical Institutes and several of its sites nationwide, including its Portland campus at 6035 N.E. 78th Court, according to an Associated Press report.
Parent company ITT Educational Services Inc. (NYSE: ESI) told AP the investigation involved grand jury subpoenas of records concerning student placement, retention, graduation, attendance, recruitment, grades and graduates' salaries.

Calls to the Portland campus were picked up by an answering service representative, who said she had no information other than that the school is closed Wednesday.
The AP report noted that most ITT students pay a substantial portion of their tuition and other expenses with money received under federal aid programs, according to a company financial filing.

Rene Champagne, the Indianapolis-based company's chairman and chief executive, said in a prepared statement that the company was cooperating with investigators. "We have not been informed of any specific allegations or charges at this time," he said.

The U.S. Attorney's Office in Houston, which was leading the investigation, issued a statement by U.S. Attorney Michael Shelby saying "no conclusions should be drawn from today's activity."

Shelby said law enforcement officers were investigating at ITT's headquarters and at campuses in Indiana, Texas, Virginia, Florida, Louisiana, Nevada, California and Oregon.
ITT Educational Services focuses on technology-oriented degree programs. It operates more than 75 ITT Technical Institutes in 29 states. The Portland campus is the only one in Oregon.

Whatever the investigation reveals, it has taken its toll on ITT's stock, which fell 32.9 percent to close at $38.50 Wednesday. More than 8.9 million shares were traded, while average daily volume is less than 500,000 shares.

--End of article - Portland Business Journal

Again, this was Feb of 2004, so I doubt much has changed. I could not find an update.

Best of luck to anyone. Stay away from these nutjobs! Community College is always a great place to start and is MUCH cheaper!
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tell these people you refuse to sign until you get the actual facts

Steve - Phila (U.S.A.)

SUBMITTED: Saturday, March 04, 2006 POSTED: Saturday, March 04, 2006
I had to figure out with a problem on my email. I talked to someone who went to a different school and he agrees. First off it took the computer tech 3 years around time to find a job that would suit for him.

He agreed Itt tech is no good. Most of the schools are that way.

Before signing the contract look it over and tell these people you refuse to sign until you get the actual facts. Don't let them pressure anyone.
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will lure and manipulate you by any mean!

Sombath - Lynn (U.S.A.)

SUBMITTED: Friday, March 17, 2006 POSTED: Friday, March 17, 2006
everything that was said here,"its the absolute truth"! i was introduce to the school through an "recruiter", as i was on my way graduating high school. i visit other schools, but decided to give itt tech a try, due to location and the idea of "hands-on". the recruiter is some what like any car salesmen. be your friend, will lure and manipulate you by any mean!

i paid $100 for that entrance exam. i needed 21 out of 40 to pass. my first try, i failed receiving only 14. my second try, what a miracle i passed! when the recruiter said,"i got 21". i began to feel a lil skepitical after this moment.

now financial aid, im from a low income family. the lady ask for multiple documents, which all was given. until i gave her my "green card". she replied,"it expired". so i went throught all the citizenship procedure, im finally a permanent resident! now.. im so anxious to start class!

a week before class starts, i received a call from the financial aid adminstrator about more "required documents needed". so i went to my recruiter anyways, all he told me was "just go to class that day anyways, cause you given them all they needed and applied for financial aid". its like, your not my concern anymore? so i did.. got my schedule, went to the orientation meet, etc. then the day i start class, i was the only 1 left without any books! urgh.. long story! full of confusions, didnt understand what they wanted from me. they didnt care to much, this and that, horrible experience at that unworthy "some-what school"!

as i remember, my recruiter told me that i shouldnt go to a community college and transfer elsewhere, thats a waste of time. THIS IS WHAT I WILL DO AND SHOULD DONE FROM THE START!
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SCHOOL IS NOT RECOMMENDED AT ALL!

Sombath - Lynn (U.S.A.)

SUBMITTED: Saturday, March 18, 2006 POSTED: Saturday, March 18, 2006
oh yea, i forgot to mentioned that i only attended the school for 2 days, at their "woburn campus" i dropped out soon after i was told that the financial aid documents i signed, was never sent out. as i remember, i was all set and ready to be in class, but its a lie.. which was a good thing. i ended up not paying nothing!

ATTEND OTHER COLLEGES AROUND YOUR AREA, THIS SCHOOL IS NOT RECOMMENDED AT ALL!
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More responses needed!

Caster - Pomona (U.S.A.)

SUBMITTED: Monday, March 20, 2006 POSTED: Monday, March 20, 2006
All,

I'm sorry this so called "school" has negatively affected so many of you, but if they are allowed to continue to operate, than more and more people will be scammed.

We need to continue to post as many negative experiences as possible on here and keep it going. If we can make enough noise, than eventually someone will be forced to listen.

Also, ITT Tech is struggling right now. They have pumped up their radio advertising and TV advertising as well. They have raised tuition once again like they do every year, and it's becoming more and more expensive, yet the learning experience is getting cheaper and cheaper. They're struggling to keep their stock holders happy and remember, that's their #1 concern. Their #1 concern is the happiness of the stock holders and NOT THE STUDENT!
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THEY'RE A SCAM

Tim - Knoxville (U.S.A.)

SUBMITTED: Wednesday, March 22, 2006 POSTED: Wednesday, March 22, 2006
I recently decided to quit going to ITT after my second quarter in the CEET program. I can relate to everything I've read about ITT on this and other sites out there. In short, I just coundn't deal with their lies and mistakes anymore. I could write a book on how awful ITT is, but here is the gist of what they did to me...

In virtually any of the courses you take at ITT, everyone gets the same three classes to start out with. They are Problem Solving, Strategies for the Technical Professional, and Introduction to Personal Computers.

PROBLEM SOLVING: This class is pointless. It is basically "group work" in which you get together with other students and solve algebra problems. It is supposed to be a "refresher" class to get you to remember some algebra. I did not learn a single thing in this class because the teacher was not present in the classroom for at least 50% of the time. Why? Because its a "teamwork" class. They give you the textbook, pair you up with someone, and let you figure it out on your own. That sounds just great, doesn't it? And where was the teacher the whole time? Out in the hallway chatting it up with other teachers who were also ditching class. Lovely.

INTRODUCTION TO PERSONAL COMPUTERS: Also a joke. Name pretty much says it all. Quarters at ITT are 10 week periods (actually 11 counting finals week). In those 10 weeks, I had THREE...yes...THREE different teachers. The first one quit after the first week, the second one was the school's networking administrator, and the third was a little old lady who hadn't taught a class in over ten years. Our classroom had about 20 or so computers in it. Five of them...yes...FIVE of them actually worked well enough to get you into Windows. And when I say Windows, I don't mean XP...oh no, every machine I ever used in that school as of December 2005 all had Windows 2000 installed on them. It was very difficult to do a lab project when you have 20 students and only five working computers. So, instead of doing anything "hands on" like what was promised when I signed up, I got to sit back and WATCH someone else take the unit apart and put it back together. The textbook we were given was riddled with spelling errors. Needless to say, this class was a complete disaster on all accounts. Three different teachers, 20 students, and 5 working computers. Really getting my money's worth, aren't I?

STRATEGIES FOR THE TECHNICAL PROFESSIONAL: This was my least favorite class of all. This is your introduction to ITT's awful, awful online class system, called Questa. After my first morning in this class, I had learned that this was the first time my instructor had EVER taught a class, she was in the middle of working on her master thesis at whatever school she was at, she was trying to adopt a child, and she was already working two other jobs. Wow. ITT sure does have top-quality instructors working for them. The way the class works is you are given a book to study, then you do the homework at home online. Homework is due at 11:59pm every Sunday night. It doesn't help that their online system has serious downtime. There were two instances where I got zeros on assignments because I couldn't turn them in because I was having problems with the Questa system. Both times, my teacher told me that I "shouldn't have waited until the last minute!" So now it in my fault that I didn't send it in while the system was actually working.

I got through quarter one but quarter two was even worse. I won't even go into how much worse the classes were. TWO WEEKS into it I got taken out of my PC Tech class, escorted to the registration office, and was told my schedule would have to be changed because I failed my Strategies class last quarter. They were just now getting around to doing this! There was a week break in between the quarters, so that means it took them THREE weeks to get me in the classes I needed to be in. I told them I already knew I had failed the class, and the guy said (I swear) "Why didn't you come and tell us them?" Hello?! That isn't my job! I asked him why it took three whole weeks for them to get my schedule right and he told me that the "grades have only just now posted." I already knew my grades for my quarter one classes the week after class was over (my teachers emailed them to me) but it takes three weeks for them to "post?" Post where?!

Math is my worst subject, by far. The main reason I wanted to go to ITT was so that I wouldn't have to take all the math and english etc. and just get on with the stuff I really needed to know. I let them know this when I was registering and I asked them how much math was involved with the CEET course and was told "just a little bit in the beginning." Hmm..."just a little bit in the beginning" doesn't seem to cover Problem Solving, College Algebra I, College Algebra II, or Physics. So, right there I was directly lied to from the start.

The things you read about many of the teachers not speaking very good english or being hard to understand is absolutely true. I didn't have any teachers like this but always heard complaints about certain ones from other students....which brings me to my least favorite thing about ITT of them all. The students. The campus I was attending (Knoxville, TN) has the most unpleasent, negative atmosphere amongst the student body. When you go outside during breaks, all you hear is everyone complaining about the school in one way or another. Be it a teacher, the horrendous scheduling, the subpar lab equipment, whatever. Everyone in that place hated being there. When I first started out at ITT, there were 18 other students enrolled in my course. About five months later at the end of the second quarter, I was one of five left. That really says it all right there.

What I've written here isn't even half of the story. The fact that I am going to owe this "school" money very soon makes me sick to my stomach. Every time I see one of ITT's commercials on TV I have to change the channel.

Avoid ITT Technical Institute at all costs. Don't even THINK about going there. I know there are people out there who graduated from ITT and probably got good jobs as a result, but trust me, those people are few and far between. If anyone you know has told you they're thinking about going, tell them to forget it. There are far better (and cheaper) schools out there than ITT. The only way to get rid of this ruthless nationwide scam is to get people to not go there in the first place. I am going to be in debt for years now because of them and I deeply regret not doing enough research on the school before enrolling.

ITT Technical Institute was, without a doubt, the worst mistake I have ever made in my life.
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Kimberly - Orange Park (U.S.A.)

SUBMITTED: Saturday, March 25, 2006 POSTED: Saturday, March 25, 2006
As a student of ITT Tech for nine weeks shy of four years, I beg to differ. My perspective also encompasses the experiences of attending other universities, before I began and completed my Associates degree program in 2003 and the Bachelors degree program I will complete this June, 2006, in ISS. EVERY college has its' up and downs and EVERY college has its' whiners and complainers. I have experienced, for the most part, a very dedicated, understanding, patient, motivated, skillful, and all-around great team of people at the Jacksonville, Florida campus of ITT and I have learned a great deal.

The majority of the reponses to this so-called ?RIP-OFF? report sound to me like a bunch of whiners. Let us take Tim - Knoxville, Tennessee for instance.

First of all, his complaints about the Problem Solving class are somewhat juvenile considering the title of the course and his ?complaint??
"This class is pointless. It is basically "group work" in which you get together with other students and solve algebra problems. It is supposed to be a "refresher" class to get you to remember some algebra. I did not learn a single thing in this class because the teacher was not present in the classroom for at least 50% of the time. Why? Because its a "teamwork" class. They give you the textbook, pair you up with someone, and let you figure it out on your own. That sounds just great, doesn't it??

Well, Tim?I hate to break it to you, but life in the corporate world is pretty much the same way. You get an assignment, you get a team, and you solve the problem(s). And you will find that you have to work in teams of students, without the instructor present every single minute, at EVERY college.

Secondly, in an INTRO TO COMPUTERS class, the difference between Win 2000 and Win XP is not significant AND if you are the network admin at ITT, you are not going to put your INTRO class in the top-notch labs to ?take the unit apart and put it back together?. MANY people enter ITT with little to no computer experience.

Thirdly, in my four years of attending ITT, I have NEVER had a problem with Questa, other than it being a little slow on any Sunday I may have attempted to log on?that is when most of the slackers are frantically trying to submit their work before the deadline of Sunday, 11:59 PM. ?Both times, my teacher told me that I "shouldn't have waited until the last minute!" HMMMMMMMMMMMM?could that be Tim?????????

Tim says, ?Math is my worst subject, by far. The main reason I wanted to go to ITT was so that I wouldn't have to take all the math and english etc. and just get on with the stuff I really needed to know. I let them know this when I was registering and I asked them how much math was involved with the CEET course and was told "just a little bit in the beginning." Hmm..."just a little bit in the beginning" doesn't seem to cover Problem Solving, College Algebra I, College Algebra II, or Physics. So, right there I was directly lied to from the start.?

Do you not know, Tim, that EVERY DEGREE requires math and English, among other things? By the way, ?wouldn't? should be "would not" and English should be capitalized. English is capitalized because it comes from the proper noun England but math does not come from mathland. Are you so ignorant that you think a college degree is not diversified in its courses and that you cannot just take what YOU THINK YOU NEED TO TAKE??????

ITT is not the only college I have attended, however, it is the only one I have attended where I actually do get hands-on training, have instructors that care (most of them) and I have reached my goals and make a salary to show for it. There are difficulties at EVERY college. There are also whiners and complainers at EVERY college! Seems to me, most of you in this ?forum? fit these criteria?get a grip! College?your education?is what you make of it. You will enter with expectations that will not be what you thought they were going to be... and that will occur ANYWHERE you go...but what you take away from the situation is really, totally, up to you! Grow up!

I have had the pleasure of instruction from some GREAT and SKILLED people at ITT; people that I respect and will always remember! ITT is no more a fraud than any other college. It is a competitive market and they have recruiters just like everyone else. If you go to learn and you go with a good attitude then you will reap the benefits. One quarter and a bad attitude, Tim, do not make a compelling basis for critique.

Happy ITT Graduate
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Thanks for the heads up

Robert - Pacifica (U.S.A.)

SUBMITTED: Sunday, March 26, 2006 POSTED: Sunday, March 26, 2006
I really appreciate everyone who has taken the time to write up their reviews. I am about 26 units shy of my B.S. degree in Criminal Justice at a State University and I was going to transfer to ITT Tech to finish my remaining units, but now that I have read all of your reviews, I have decided to stay at the state university. Thanks!!!!
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ITT is the the BEST college I have attended

Doug - Grand Rapids (U.S.A.)

SUBMITTED: Monday, March 27, 2006 POSTED: Monday, March 27, 2006
Alright I definitely agree that there are a lot of whinners on here.
I mean personally I love ITT it has been the college I have seen

Everytime I walk into the building I have the career services lady yellinig CEET students see me then she hands you anywhere from 2 to 3 job leadsyou sign your name she sends them a resume and sets you up with an interview easy as that
the career services people are always have jobs they are trying to get people into

I dont know how it is at other schools but our career services people have to place at least 80% of our graduates in jobs or they can get a paycut and/or fired....sounds like good motivation for them to get you a job and this isnt just any job it is a job in your field

now lets talk about instructors...there are good ones and there are bad ones but that happens at any college, but from what I have seen a lot of them are real professionals that have worked in the field and many of them are still working in the field and only teach at ITT as a second job to make extra money

so they know what they are doing and what the field is like

and then you are all complaining about the begining classes---do you realize that you can test out of all but 2 ITT classes? and yes this includes problem solving and PC tech
:O

I mean seriously I have attended one quarter at ITT-Tech and applied myself I study in my spare time for the classes I am not currently attending and test out of them so in the 12 weeks I have been there I am not a 6 quarter student

and yes the credits do transfer I already checked with a local college (Ferris State in michigan) and they accept almost all of ITT credits in fact that is where I am picking up my bachelors in CNS this is a very hardware oriented degree and all my CEET credits are transfering torward it

now lets look at course work
I was an Electronics Technician on Nuclear Reactors in the Navy
This is a 1.5 year school
covers a lot of stuff
and I did all the troubleshooting on the electronic systems on the reactor

and there is some stuff in the ITT course work that I have not covered

and if you ask me that is really good for an associate degree program

so basically
you all need to stop bashing ITT
they are a good school
that works hard to make sure you suceed

I mean I have taken so many surveys on how to improve ITT that it isnt funny
I am actually tired of them
but then I didnt like one of my books I complained like hell about it and talked to the director
the next quarter they were using a different book
so obviously they do care that the student suceeds

I personally think that this Castor guy got fired and now want to try and hurt ITT because he is pissed

I mean seriously he must have liked the job a bit to make such a huge fuss trying to get people to hate them

I mean seriously if it was so bad why wasnt he doing this report while he was still employed?

And then again why is he so pissed now that he isnt employed

I think it is because he got fired from a job that he liked and is all bitter about it
I mean I dont get mad when i lose a job I hate

well anyways I have to go prepare for my interview with Smiths Aerospace
which by the way starts at $20/hr
and I got the interview from the ITT career service people
and i am not even finished with my degree

the only people I have ever known that have failed to get a good paying job and didnt suceed after attending ITT were those people that were not motivated and expected jobs and promotions to just fall in their laps
that doesnt happen kids
the truth of the matter is that you have to consistently work for those
promotions especially
you should continue your education beyond that little 2 year associate you recieved at ITT
you are right that degree is to just get you in the door
that is what an associate is
now once you have your foot in the door
use that opprotunity to go back to school (most good employers offer tuition assistance)
get your bachelors
then when that is done consider possibly picking up a degree in a related field
for example if you are CSN get your ISA or IT
then possible pick up an associates in CEET
it isnt gonna hurt you
and it is going to make you look a lot better when promotion time comes around

anyways I have had enough with this forum
you can listen to me
or you can listen to a lot of people that are bitching and moaning
by the way you forget that even though it is $400 something a untit
that includes books, software, I got tools, a harddrive,
I mean shit go to a regular college and buy all the books and software
you may be supprised
I did the math and ITT was only like $40 more expensive than the local community college

well anyways
have fun do what you want
and dont believe everything you hear
do some research look at the numbers
figure it out for yourself
and for god sakes dont listen to a bunch of complainers on some forum

go get the info for yourself
check it out
be informed
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Steve - Phila (U.S.A.)

SUBMITTED: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 POSTED: Tuesday, April 11, 2006
I agree with Caster 500%. I went through admissions and seen the contract. The guy next to me which we were both taking that test wasn't too thrilled about taking it and at the time I was trying to be helpful to him on that so maybe he had that in mind is this really worth it.

I had 8 people tell me you'll get some experience but no jobs. I was told not to do it b/c these schools the way they establish themselves. If people just don't go then the school can't make money at all. They are brainwashed.

There was another fellow who was like I need the education and something. When someone is from the ghetto and the way they talk like they will get a "real" education. I looked at his and I was like , Oh plz and whatever dude. He said good luck to me and I would have told him to his face there is no luck.
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Read facts, not disgruntle insight

G - Orchard Heights (U.S.A.)

SUBMITTED: Wednesday, August 30, 2006 POSTED: Wednesday, August 30, 2006
Caster, and other "nay-sayers",

Let me start off by simply stating my background has been as a business owner, in education, and also consulting. Facts should speak for themselves if you are investigating ITT (or any school for that fact). Do not base your decision on the "opinions" of others who are noticeably disgruntle due to either not hitting performance goals (Caster?), or other postings on here who obviously lack a full educated background to compose intelligent postings with proper grammar, spelling, and facts vs. opinions. The only postings that read with intelligence are those who were posted by the graduates of this school being criticized.

Let's talk about facts (itt-tech.edu and ittesi.com).

1. ITT has been around since 1969 and has over 140,000 graduates.

2. ITT is located in 30+ states with over 85 campuses. Why is this a benefit? Think of the number of employer's in a number of communities where their graduates (well respected graduates, some of which I have personally hired as well) work for many companies. They range from smaller companies to the Intel's of the world.

3. Part of their degree program also includes preparing their soon to be graduates through interviewing technique's, how to prepare resumes, etc. Most "public" schools (and even private schools) do not take this on. (School is supposed to PREPARE people to move forward in their careers; not simply provide them a degree.)

4. Alumni have access to a Career Services Department at any local ITT campus to utilize to help get their foot in the door at various companies in the area.

5. Many of the students who inquiry with ITT are students who have been told time and time again "you won't amount to anything". Yet the role of the admissions department is to help the student regain the faith in themselves and see that they CAN pursue their goals.

6. I find it interesting NONE of the negative postings on this "blog" come from ITT graduates. So let's take the total % of those with negative postings on here compared to ITT graduates to see what % this gives us... maybe one of the nay-sayers who is a "math wiz" can assist me with a simple calculation. Out of 140,000 graduates and all of 5-10 are "complaining" (or rather whining) that comes out to what %? Let me help you; .0000357% - .0000714% Yup, a fraction of 1%!

7. Education is what you make of it. Ask most employers and you will find this out. Unless you were one of the few fortunate ones to attend Harvard, Yale, Cornell, Stanford, Brown, etc. the school where you earn your degree does not matter. Employer's will look at the fact you DO have your degree, that you have work experience to back it up and the fact you followed through on a goal you started on. It also allows employer's to see you have obtained structured training along the way as well and you are not relying only on "self training." WHERE you go to school comes down to what school will best prepare you for the "outside world" and provides you the greatest amount of benefits to succeed in your future career(s).

8. As a member of an advisory council for one of the ITT Campuses I can also attest to the fact very few schools have local business owners, business leaders, community leaders, on a "council" to provide feedback on lab structure or curriculum. This benefits every single future graduate of ITT as these community members may very well be some of their future hiring managers. It also attests to ITT for having the faith, and desire for feedback, from those outside their own organization.

Caster is right about one thing, ITT is a for-profit school. They are interested in making a profit. Then again ALL organizations (Penn St., Univ. of Michigan, Georgia Tech, Univ. of Nebraska) are in it to make a profit.

However, these "public" schools will reinvest their profits to grow research, expand, pay for football stadiums, pay for coaching salaries, you name it! If they DON'T make a "profit" (or land in the "black") they have to cut programs, staff, etc. For-profit educator's have a better control over their day to day operations, expansion of programs, and costs than public schools.

Do some research and you'll find out the average IN-STATE tuition cost for public schools (not including community colleges or JC's) will run about $15,000+ and have an average tuition increase of 18-24% annually vs. 4-7% most "for-profits" average.

For profit schools are more focused on their customer (both the student and the future employers) than public schools are. For profit schools provide their students with feedback surveys and many times have the annual overall ratings as part of the compensation structure for their faculty.

As a "for-profit" educator the best way to grow their business is through referrals so why wouldn't they want to provide an excellent education and fulfill what they say they will and ensure employer's are being provided with well trained, well prepared, and motivated employees to drive their company mission? Companies do not last for nearly 40 years (as ITT has) in a competitive business world if they are not doing things the right way.

Will they please everyone? No...name a company who can. The fact is the best of the best companies will have the "Casters" of the world to criticize (Nike, Intel, Microsoft, IBM, General Motors, Wal-Mart, etc.) Determine for YOURSELF through the tone of the postings whether or not someone is basing their information off of facts, or uneducated, and unfounded, personal assumptions.

Here's a parting fact for all of the reader's:
(from the Dept. of Education)
* 54% of American's who are attending college are 25 or older.
* Of that group 41% are attending for-profit educator's (up from 33% only 5 years ago).
* 87% of employers surveyed indicated a graduate from a for-profit school was just as likely, or more so in many cases because of their combined work experience, to be hired when looking at "like" candidates who have a "traditional" degree from a "traditional" post-secondary school.

You make the call... facts, or fiction?
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Why do you waste your time

Steve - Phila (U.S.A.)

SUBMITTED: Saturday, September 09, 2006 POSTED: Saturday, September 09, 2006
For Doug and G

DOug:

Why do you waste your time?

The school is a fraud and dupes people into attending.

The school is the biggest scam ever with those phony ads on tv. It takes at least 3 yrs to get unless you really know what you want.

Your a loser b/c you probably don't have much success either.

And to the other guy you have a problem.
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Steve in "Phila" (and other readers)

G - Orchard Heights (U.S.A.)

SUBMITTED: Wednesday, September 20, 2006 POSTED: Wednesday, September 20, 2006
To all those who have read this lengthy dialogue in full:

Look through the postings above.....review what information on here is supported with FACTS (including where to find the information) or various obscure "opinions" from those who obviously appear disgruntle.

If you have doubts about ITT's advertising (or any other for-profit school) take a look at their annual earnings reports, call their corporate offices (or closest location) and request graudate statistics, employment information by field of study, you name it. If a school is unable to provide that information; question your decision. If a school is unwilling to provide it to you; question your decision. (and for the record there is not a single public school who regularly publishes these statistics...anyone else find this strange?)

If anything, I encourage you to think for yourself and not be swayed by a miniority of opinions on a blog who have simply come to post their frustrations because of their own inabilities to 1. hit performance goals for a company they worked for; 2. were a student who either didn't do their research, or did not perform well in class and 3. if they were a student, most likely still have not completed their degree as they are buying into the belief that they do not need a degree in order to have the career they want, the job security they want and the earning potential they want. Years, and years of government, state and independent statistics will dispute that.

As for Caster, Steve, etc.....if you're going to post a response be sure it is well thought out and there are at least attempts to put constructive sentences together with supporting facts and not simply your opinions. If you want to "support a debate" you must back it up and cite your sources. (Any college student who has written research papers understands this; or maybe I am assuming something that has not occurred?) Otherwise you instantly lose credibility.

G - Orchard Heights, KY
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Grad of ITT Tech

Liz - Royal Oak (U.S.A.)

SUBMITTED: Thursday, September 21, 2006 POSTED: Thursday, September 21, 2006
I graduated from ITT Tech in 2003 located in Troy Michigan. I was also told all the same things and passed the exam with flying colors. I was told I had the best score than any that day. I passed the math part when I know I should have failed. Most of my classes were a joke. One instructor would even retaliate against my class if we went to anyone else in the school to complain.

The school is supposed to have hands-on experience. My class and I worked hard on drawing up plans for a gazebo contest for a gazebo to go in the back of the school. My class won. The school was going to allow us to participate in the building of it with a plaque placed next to it with our names on it. It never happened, of course. Where did the money go for that? The final project called Capstone Project is also a joke.

I also feel bad for everyone that is going to ITT Tech who will find out that when they cannot find a job and it's time to start paying back their loans Sallie Mae will be calling them 10 or 12 times a day with threats of ruining your credit and taking you to court for repayment. Anyone notice that that is all ITT Tech deals with is Sallie Mae? Sallie Mae is also a scam.
Good luck everyone.
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Steve - Phila (U.S.A.)

SUBMITTED: Thursday, September 21, 2006 POSTED: Thursday, September 21, 2006
I don't have to look up. The advertisement shows fony graduates. I went through admissions and by hearing others its all bullcrap.

I am a business entrepeneur in vending and have a partner in printing which is big bucks. You won't see that money that you put out in years. ANd you wanna know something there are no jobs out there with requirements that these schools have to meet. I can go to anyone and the same shpeal they will pull on me. The schools will go down and when they do they will have to answer to the public why they ripoff people in the first place.
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TAKE HEED TO THIS ADVICE

Margaret - Houston (U.S.A.)

SUBMITTED: Monday, May 21, 2007 POSTED: Monday, May 21, 2007
I was raised in Louisiana and have resided in Texas for the last 16 years. I attended college and Vo Tech Education in both states. although I am unfamiliar with the other 48 states educational systems, let me explain something about the difference in public Vo -Tech Education and a private career technical school.
Louisiana is a notoriously poor state, and most work there consists of the blue collar type of employment.

Louisiana has public Vocational and Technical schools there because community college was pretty much non exisitant there until the mid 90's Some examples of this are the following schools I am familiar with. TH HArris Vo Tech, Opelousas, Louisiana and Lafayette Regional Technical, in Lafayette, Louisiana.

Lets say a person is interested in taking something like Medical/Nursing/Pharmacy Assistant, Aircraft Mechanic, NDT, Business Office/Secretarial they pay a small tuition, say 200.00 for a quarter and pay for all their own books, and supplies. Student aid is offered.
All the instructors are definately cerfified.

The schools are run by the state public education system so they know that they cannot charge a person 25,000 to become a Nurse Assistant whose average wages are 9.00 an hour. My ex husband attened the public vo tech school in LAfayette, Louisiana and took Electronics Technology. When all was said and done he had paid approx. total 3,000 in tuition and another 1000 in books and supplies, and places like ITT Tech are charging people 50,000. Its a BIG SCAM! MY ex got an excellent post secondary education and even the opportunity to work for NASA.

I do not know if other states have public vo tech education, however if a person wants to major in Criminal Justice go to either a 2 or 4 year college because if one wants to become a police officer, they will need at least 60 credit hours from either a 2 0r 4 year state college, not a private career school. Now if a person wants to take something like Sound & Recording Engineer they can attend a specialty private career school because most 2 year colleges or public vo tech schools will not offer this. But even with that said, still investigate the school and do your homework and stay on top of things and then you won't get a big SCAM!!

If people would just investigate their state's employment web pages, average wages are stated for various careers and those wages are not some uninformed sales recruiter making a bogus sales pitch saying someone can earn 15.00 an hour as a nurse assistant.

I have attended community college (Texas) 4 year college (Louisiana) and a for profit career school on line, however those studies were more about personal enrichment and additional knowledgement more than transferring credit courses.

When I transferred my college credit from Louisiana I had 25 credit hours, Texas only accepted 15 and I had to take a CLEP test to test out of the rest of my English courses. If every future student in the US would accept this advice, they would all be much better off and for profit careeer schools with heavy handed sales tactics would be curbed down to very specialty schools and education for more comman careers would shift exclusively to community colleges and public vo tech schools if offered in their state.
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Kyle - New Carlisle (U.S.A.)

SUBMITTED: Monday, June 11, 2007 POSTED: Monday, June 11, 2007
I live in Dayton OH, and I have been attending ITT for 3 years now, and am finishing up my second degree in CNS (first was in SAP). In my experience, ITT is a worthwhile school if you want to get your foot in the door of the IT world; but it is severly over-priced (I am fortunate enough to have wealthy parents who pay this for me). I would really compare ITT with a joint vocational school you could attend in High School. You learn the knowledge needed to being entry level.

I have went to the School in Dayton as well as the Norwood Campus, which I am at now. Dayton was an exceptional school with VERY intellegent instructors with a lot of experience. But then Corporate decided that they had to get rid of 5 of their full time teachers, thus screwing me and many other people out of a quality education. They replaced these guys with adjuncts who suck at teaching. I then came to Norwood hoping for better instruction. I was wrong. They are worse.

My main point is, they had great instructors who knew there stuff, but got screwed by corporate. I am in my last quarter, and I just don't care anymore. Corporate gets rid of quality teachers for the almighty dollar.

I DO NOT RECOMMEND THIS SCHOOL TO ANYONE ANYMORE. A community college will give you the exact same education for much less money.
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Tim - Milwaukee (U.S.A.)

SUBMITTED: Friday, June 15, 2007 POSTED: Friday, June 15, 2007
Though I cannot speak for other programs, or other people for that matter, I can say I was not satisfied with the education I received in the IT:Multimedia program at ITT Tech and realized the administration is more interested in corporate image than that of creative freedom. If you are a serious artist looking to get into 3D animation do NOT attend this school.

It all started as while working on my portfolio and considering going back to school get into animation and possibly into game design. I had been looking at a real art school with a degree in cinematic animation that was out of state when I had received a junk mail advertisement from ITT tech. I decided to take a look at it and saw that they offered a degree in video game design.

Curious, I looked at the curriculum on the ITT Tech website and saw some classes that peaked my interest. This would mean I would not have to relocate. I filled out my contact information and within 30 minutes got a call from a recruiter.

After making an appointment and meeting with the recruiter I signed up. When she had told me about how much ITT Tech costs I almost walked out on her, but then she had mentioned that there was free continuing education for ITT Alumni at any campus. Considering the number of campuses in the U.S. I figured no matter where I got a job I could update my education if need be for no cost. Seemed like a good deal.

Along the way there were many things that my fellow students, as well as instructors, were very unsatisfied with. Textbooks where hacked up bits and pieces of other very highly rated books (leaving out a lot VERY important information and even referencing those pages), equipment was seriously substandard for the graphical work we were doing, and the instructors in most core classes lacked the total knowledge of the software we were using.

There were several occasions where we were learning right along with the instructors. Now, having the instructors learn new things does not bother me, but it seemed to happen a bit too often for my comfort. The time frame for these classes seemed rushed as well. Most classes only scratched the surface of the software, and only briefly mentioned any sort of theory to go along with what you are doing. There was one instructor who had an animation degree and attempted to teach it, but time and curriculum made it nearly impossible.

In the animation class only the first class was spent on theoretical concepts for animation and made you rely on the computer program to take care of it for you. This is a serious mistake. You need to know what the machine is doing and why in order to be a good animator.

I worked my way to the top of my class, Alpha Beta Kappa, highest honors/dean's list, and member of the NTHS (National Technical Honor Society). It came time do do my capstone project in my 8th quarter. I had written a script in my TV/Video production class, a perfect class for the teacher since he was working on his masters thesis for film, for for my group which received great praise from my teacher and peers.

I used the script and got an 'A' for my final project and for the class with no problems. Now I wanted to use the same script to do an animated version for my Capstone Project. This was a major undertaking since it was a 25 page script and I had a lot of work to do.

I decided to only do the first scene as I had done in the live action version since time was limited for the amount of work I had to do. Seeing the amount of work and the progress I was making my instructor suggested making a trailer to make life easier.

Thinking I could get further than I did, and working linearly I had decided against simply making a trailer. I didn't get finished but had a rough hand drawn animation for most of the first scene, nowhere close to completing as much as I wanted to.

Anyway, the day of the presentation came. Working feverishly up to the last moment and severely sleep deprived I went to show my project. I was to go last, being chosen to do so by my peers for the quality of my past work. I gave my speech explaining the premise of what I wanted to do and what I was actually showing.

Now the script was intended for mature audiences. One of my classmates had his young niece there and we had spoken earlier making sure she was not in the room when I gave my presentation, in addition there was a 30 sec disclaimer about the content, just harsh language though nothing religiously offensive. As the video played the chair for my program, a man that does work for sexually explicit adult video games mind you, comes rushing up to the front of the room and giving me the cut signal.

At first I thought that it was due to the time since it was a lot later than expected, and a snowstorm was coming in. I stopped the video and the dean concluded the presentations. The dean then approached my instructor and I and asked to speak with us privately.

We went to a different room where the dean began yelling at me for what I had presented. Being an artist, I stood up for my work and angrily responded. My instructor who had approved the script and every phase of my project cowered, now having his masters degree in film, and the chair for my program, a man whose work for the adult video game market I had seen on school grounds, did nothing to back me. The dean threatened to expel me right then and there, but set up a meeting on the following Monday, this all took place on a Saturday, so he would have time to cool down before making a decision.

The Monday came and I went into the meeting. The dean referred to a portion of the handbook referring to an offensive subject matter rule and how the school's image in the community was scarred by my presentation. The chair claimed my project had ruined the whole the whole capstone event and that no one would remember any of the other projects.

Now keep in mind that I had used this script in a course before and had submitted the live action version in the past only to receive an 'A' for my work by the same instructor that approved everything for my Capstone.

The dean decided to fail me for my Capstone class, not just the final presentation portion of the grade, the ENTIRE class. This decision would not allow me to graduate. If he had failed me for just the presentation, which is the action that should have been taken, I still would have passed the class. I still had the final phase of my project to turn in, which I am sure would have received a good grade. This would have left me with a minimum of a 66% for the class, which is still passing.

So after two years of hard work and being the top of my class I was stopped dead in my tracks. I had already picked up my graduation robe, cords and tassel representing my academic achievements, and invitations for graduation and now they hang in a closet never used. I refused to retake the class and canceled my enrollment for the bachelor degree in video game design.

The entire ITT experience now makes me sick to my stomach. To think of the dept I acquired all for nothing. In a way it is a blessing, I guess, the whole situation saved me an even bigger waste of money for the bachelor degree. I am now enrolled in the animation program at my local CC which is a much better program and is a lot cheaper.

Here is a good example of what the community I live in thinks of ITT Tech. I was at work and speaking to an artist in the community. He was an older gentleman and obviously well established. I told him I was going to school for computer animation. Excited for me he asked me where. I told him I was getting my multimedia degree from ITT. His face went from smiles to a blank, almost disgusted, look and he just turned and walked away, not saying a word.

I can not tell you how horrible this felt and was a real insight to what a mistake I had made in choosing to go to ITT.
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Hersheybar - San Diego (U.S.A.)

SUBMITTED: Monday, August 27, 2007 POSTED: Monday, August 27, 2007
Well I almost completed my process for enrollement thank God I didn't. I just went to the BBB website and one of the Itt tech campus' received an F as a grade, and one campus received a satisfactory. So I clearly see this is not the school for me.... smh
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You said Email You but left no email :(

Xxblackrain - Cincinnati (U.S.A.)

SUBMITTED: Wednesday, November 14, 2007 POSTED: Wednesday, November 14, 2007
Yes, I am a current ITT student. I have been there for a year or better i'm in my 5th quarter and i'm getting ready to drop out. After researching how bad this school is i am appalled by the mistake i made in going there. Im going to restart, my education at a REAL college however i would like your email because i am considering suing ITT for false advertisement, or some likeness, and i believe you would be a good source of information as you worked there as a recruiter. You can post it back or simply send me an email (((ROR removed for security purposes)))

Thanks,
Allie

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Allie.....

Caster - Pomona (U.S.A.)

SUBMITTED: Thursday, November 15, 2007 POSTED: Thursday, November 15, 2007
Allie,

I would be more than happy to discuss the unappropriate business practices of ITT Technical Institute. Only problem is, I can't read your email and I'm don't think I can post mine.

How would you contact me and how would I contact you with no email addresses?
(((ROR REDACTED))) if this site is allowing me to post my email)

It's sad that nothing major has been done to this so called "institution" of higher learning. It's very sad!

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What about the good?

Kat1124 - Scranton (U.S.A.)

SUBMITTED: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 POSTED: Wednesday, January 09, 2008
I am a former Admissions Representative from another for-profit, post-secondary educational institution and a candidate for an Admissions Representative position with ITT Tech. For-profit schools get a lot of negative feedback for that reason, they're around to make money. Which is true, but they are also providing an invaluable service.

The product in which a student is buying into is not an education, it is career training. Individuals who are interested in career training are individuals who are not interested in going to a typical four year school or even a junior college. If this is your ultimate goal and you possess the requirements necessary to attend these schools, then the for-profit, career training institution is not for you. If you made the mistake of enrolling in one of these schools when you should be attending a four year school, you need to own up to that mistake.

I will be the first to admit that there are dishonest and greedy Admissions Representatives out there, but I am not one of them. I truly believe in what I do and I have seen first hand more students succeed with the educational decisions I have helped them with than not. I have seen hundreds of single mothers on welfare attend school, graduate and become self-sufficient and able to take care of their children without the help of government subsidized income with a career they are truly proud of.

Also, with for-profit schools, accreditation is very important. Accreditation means that a school has been approved by a United States government accrediting body and is able to offer its students federal financial student aid. In order to be accredited, there are a lot of very small details that need to be in place. It is a very tedious and time consuming process. The larger schools, state schools, universities, etc, are often passed along accreditation based on longevity and name alone. With these smaller, private, for-profit schools, every practice, every piece of paperwork, every mark on every wall, is gone through with a fine toothed comb in order to make sure the school is on the up and up. They have to be or else their doors will be closed in an instant. I have also worked for a large university, and trust me when I say that their business practices are a lot more unethical and shady than the for-profit school I worked for.

As for the teachers, any major university hires 'adjunct instructors.' Please research that term on your own. It has nothing to do with part-time and a lack of desire to pay benefits. Also, I went to a four year school in a bahelor's degree program and I have had at least a dozen professors who wrote the text book for the class I was taking. That text book was printed for the sole purpose of teaching at that particular school and would be useless elsewhere.

And for current students, if you are enrolled in a for-profit school, remember that you will get out of your education what you put into it. If you have a negative attitude and surround yourself with individuals who also have a negative attitude, you will not have great success. On the flip side, if you put some pride in your work and pride in yourself for taking the initiative to make a positive change in your life while your cousin and your best friend still sit at home eating Doritos and watching Judge Judy, you will have a great success. And to you, I wish you the best of luck even though luck doesn't have much to it. It's about hard work, hard work that you are willing to take on and overcome. Congratulations.

As you can tell, I am passionate about my work, and trust me, it's not for the money. If you are considering going to ITT Tech or any other career training institution but are wary of some of the things in the past, please contact me. I can give you five good reasons for every bad one you have heard.

Thank you,

K
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Some misleading information here...

J.k. - ANytown (U.S.A.)

SUBMITTED: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 POSTED: Wednesday, January 23, 2008
From a former student and graduate of ITT...

While I can understand your frustration to a certain degree, I do not agree with 100% of your complaints.

ITT is a for-profit school because they do not have the State in which they are located, funding them. And technically most colleges are for-profit in that they need to take money earned and put it back into the upkeep and expansion of the college or university, as well as meet pay increases and other expenditures.

ALso, it is the STUDENT's responsibility to get all the information credit transfers, criteria required for a credit to transfer, etc. I took both the CNS and ISS programs at ITT and I knew going in which of my credits from my prior Bachelor's degree could be applied towards earning these degrees.

They were up front and honest about what I had to have (2.0 or better grade in my college class credits frmo EWU).

Also, it is not ITT's responsibility to tell you whether or not their credits are transferrable to another academic institution. That is up to you to find out about and for the institution you want to transfer TO to give you that information.

If you blame anyone for not allowing ITT credits to transfer, then blame the schools who have decided not to accept them - not ITT.

As for books, they doo have errors. But while I attended ITT made a large attempt at taking care of these problems. They also cancelled the online system because there were too many hassles involved for the students which means they were hassles for the school as well, in the end.

Regarding the quality of the edication, I received a very competitive education compared to other schools. My teachers were experienced professionals who made a strong effort to correct information form the books that were in error, and they took things further than just what the book contained. Any good teacher does this.

If you end up with an instructor you do not think is doing the job, contact your school's Dean. That's what they are there for.

I had a dispute at one point about receiving a book late and so I appealed to the Dean (a PhD) and felt this went ignored. I them immediately took it upon myself as the customer to follow the student handbook policy and in writing make a formal complaint to the Dean, and the School Manager (the guy who deals with money issues). I also made it clear in my emails and docs that I would be contacting the ITT's corporate education officials and then on to the state education officials until it wa resolved in a satisfactory manner.

That got them to move. They were on it real fast after that. They asked why I was doing this and I stated I was using the ITT policies for complaints provided to me by the ITT official student handbook. They shut up real fast and listened to my issues.

Also, many universities, while providing hands-on programs, also teach a lot of theory - stuff out of books and not always on an actual computer.

College also means you are not a high school kid anymore. You are an ADULT student. As you will be expected to in professional life, you are expected to go further than the books and lectures merely take you. You have to be proactive for yourself and do all you can to learn. If you have a question, there are lots of people at schools who will point you in the right direction. But there aren't don't blame it on them, get off your butt and ask someone else.
Do the research.

Also, ITT now has student councils that act as a a way to better get across student concerns in all areas.

Compare the amount of ITT students total, with amount who posted here. I'll bet you are all way outnumbered by the ones who had a good experience and have jobs doing what they wanted.

I am one and I know tons of others. ITT is not perfect and things aggravated me too, but you have to take it upon yourself to ask the questions in everything in your life. Not just with ITT Tech.

By the way, my ITT degrees got me my first job in IT/IS out of school as the IT Manager of a nationwide communications company. They are growing fast and the outlook is excellent for growth.

j.k.
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Is that So...

The Philosopher - St. Charles (U.S.A.)

SUBMITTED: Thursday, January 24, 2008 POSTED: Thursday, January 24, 2008
Dear, Castor

However of what you know, and what you have said with conviction. It is a strong probability that I am going to ITT technical institute. I am very well aware of their so called scams, but you haven't mentioned about these so called 'dreams' in detail.

I think you're wrong, but I respect your opinions, facts, and ex-postion. However, I will convey why you are wrong, and expect a response cuz I'm meeting with a Financial Aid person on Jan. 29th of 2008.

First off, I do know that they are scamming me, that is to my understanding... but what they offer lets me come out ahead. Sure, I will owe 40,000 after grace period, but in increments. Also, this is education you can't find anywhere else; other colleges only teach information technology and I to get into Hands on Technology. I saw their equipment and it is state of the art. I've done my homework inside and out, theres nothing you can refute me on this despite you were a recruiter before.

Continuing, there is instructors online, they post homework to you AND you are to particapate to pass. There are no tests at all... unless you get your class schedule started and you decide you don't need this class cuz you know it already, you can take a test to show that you're able to advance, AND guess what, the credits are free. Let me tell you this, that's what I'm doing with all the classes! (sobering) In the 'hands on', I can't.

The cost now is $446 per credit hour and there are 4 credits per class, that's astronomicaly expensive. However, I care little of money in a huge sense, I value knowledge over everything else, and my wisdom lets me keep my 'Feet on the Ground'. Heck, the way I see, I'm headed toward the big bucks field and I'll be able to help other people who are worthy to get aid from me. 'Swine' and Drugees are definitely not worthy.

They have a Honors Scolarship if you get a 3.5 or higher in your classes. Job Displacement gives a job right away graduating and into Top notch companys like 'Bouwing', I already a recommendation now as I type this. And guess what, connections is what get you the job, not hard work... which I already do. Hard work gets you raises, not the job.

I have adopted thousands of philosophies from Plato, Socrates, and Markus whom is my favorite.

Yes, it is stupid to go to ITT tech, but...
for me. It will be me who wins. The field I'm going in starts at $50,000. Say no to that.

And another thing, Textbooks being watered down and not reliable in educational matters. That's 'Hear Say', you can't prove it. And even if you could, that wouldn't matter to me, its not the worlds priority to give me hand-outs. It's my ability to be resourceful and to use my arsenal of PHYCHOLOGY to get what I want... and I want friends who I can trust with my life. I've made too many mistakes with that, and I have learned from this. Pain is my learning process, it is my motavation so others won't have to.

If you have something to say, say it. I respect honesty. To everyone else, don't go to ITT Tech if you have no thoughts of granduer, you should be terrified. My e-mail is (((ROR REDACTED)))

I hope to hear from you. The easiest thing in life is to accept what others say and 'preach to the choir'. Arguing is the hardest, you make eniemies that way. However, I excel in this area. I always have an arguement for everything and it is plausible. (means reasonable and accomidating)

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It's funny....

Caster - Pomona (U.S.A.)

SUBMITTED: Thursday, January 24, 2008 POSTED: Thursday, January 24, 2008
Mr. Is that So, I'm sure "Bouwing" would love an educated person as yourself as an employee. I bet if you do some research, there are not many people with fake degrees from Itt Tech working at "Bouwing." I find it hard to believe that you are willingly going to Itt Tech, to get ripped off knowingly and you are still content with that. That's something else! Also, it's funny how you say Itt Tech has a Job DISplacement center as well. They probably should have a Job DISplacement center in place because once you hit the real world with your fake Itt Tech degree, you will be displaced.

Here's my point and I'll continue to say it: ITT TECH IS A RIP OFF! How else do I need to put it? It seems that credits are almost up $450 a credit hour right now and that's good for the stock holders of Itt Tech. But for the student, that should just raise a red flag. Also, Itt Tech is even coming out in their commercials and saying "units are not transferable." For $450 a credit hour, I should be able to take my units to any type of school out there and have them accepted. But that's not the case.

I don't reply much more to these messages because it's no fun any more. I see people continue to sign up for these crappy schools and they only have themselves to blame. Don't blame Itt Tech when you graduate and you can't find a job because no one accepts degrees from Itt Tech. Don't blame the recruiter when you're 2 years into a program and you realize it's not the field for you and you just wasted 2 years of tuition on nothing. BLAME YOURSELF! The writings are on the wall!
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Honesty above all else

The Philosopher - St. Charles (U.S.A.)

SUBMITTED: Saturday, January 26, 2008 POSTED: Saturday, January 26, 2008
"Better a zero than a Nero." -Winston Churchill

*sigh* That can't be me, I won't let it.
I'm only thinking whats best for my future... that's all.

Say you're right, what then? Give up. Fight you... I can't. You did respond to my message and you shared your personal fears. I have fears too as well.

Say I'm wrong and I believe 'I' am wrong. I have a bright future, despite if I don't attend this Institute. Everyone to my knowledge, should have a few consolers so they don't initiate where their actions will lead them. I say this with upmost honesty, My brothers were horrified when they thought I wanted to go to ITT. At first glance, I thought I would be paying a tution of $450 - $500. Unfortunately for me, they pointed it out that it out that I would be paying that much per credit hour... and to further their dismay, they thought that each class held 3 credits. I told them it was 4. To see the shock... you would have to be there, it was of great anger. And I emphasis 'anger'. Then I got angry and started cursing ITT. But what can I say, I fell in love. How can you fight love.

If ITT is so wrong, how can it feel so right? I mean, my ideal is to be a specialist and a renowned Writer like 'Stephen King'. I reviewed all the records of successful graduates of ITT in the ITT Website. SO many stories... so many glorious victiories. Why can't I see myself on there one of these days; it's so tantalizing.

Maybe you are right, maybe G and Doug are wrong, but guess what. So are these so called 'whiners' who actually attended ITT and failed, they failed when they entered their week of enrollment without hesitating to think they were abnormaly wrong to listen to others, be they of criticism or positive. For me, I will not be patronized.

Solemn am I, my past is full of misery and one of tremendous pain. All I can ever do is look forward. I am very much skeptical of going to ITT, but how can I doubt myself. Well, I did. So I went to many sites with Online Colleges and sent my 'interests' to them. They responded within an hour ( 20 or more called ). Lies and diceit me. It was so bogus, however, the ones that did actually stand out was University of Pheonix and Grand Canyon University.

Okay, Here's the deal. Say you are right but you can't convince others to support your cause to destroy ITT technical Intitute. What you have posted of being an ex-recruiter won't do it. You come out looking like some sort of criminal looking to sabotage this establishment. My idea, is that you give helpful advice to help them stay away from this without actually or accidently slandering. Human beings are very judgemental, they make it so to lead you to fail. Me, I hate that, I trully do. Second, recommend your good listners and everyone else to a college that is not out for profit, that really helps, it does't 'brick wall' anyone or mislead them to 'run around with their heads cut off'. It will give reasurance that you are legit and actually willing to help.

I believe you. I do. AND I am a very reasonable person and I am willing to listen to the fullest extent.

Please believe in me... to make the right decision.

And not to be silly or offensive, I actually thought you weren't actually real. Like some person who just posted this to get attention.

Right now, I teach English and Creative Writing to those at Tokyopop (though I do not have a Title or Experience). It's a manga site, and its also for anime lovers as well. Currently now, I'm writing an Action novel that resembles FINAL FANTASY and DRAGON BALL Z. If you sign up, if you want... but I don't think you actually care about that stuff, but others might, check out my username "3TreeSlash".
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I'm an Idiot...

The Philosopher - St. Charles (U.S.A.)

SUBMITTED: Saturday, January 26, 2008 POSTED: Saturday, January 26, 2008
My brother, Brian, whom I respect with a high degree, wants to slap me.

He told me not go to college at all and that maybe I should go to a Junior College. He says that there are many people with a college degree that work at McDonald's, and still don't get the job that will hire them.

He also told me to stop being an idiot and keeps telling I'm not wise cuz I say I am. I am so motavated, I have so many standards and I consistantly brood on my potenial actions.

Whatever smokescreen I have given to you, I apoligize. But the fact still stands that I am looking to better my future. I'm just confused.

I would do anything to help others, Its just... Reality is so cruel. Sometimes I generate Idealism with reality sometimes.

Again, I apoligize. However, I have nothing.
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You have my sword, Castor

The Philosopher - St. Charles (U.S.A.)

SUBMITTED: Sunday, January 27, 2008 POSTED: Sunday, January 27, 2008
I was writing a report but it was too long to keep me logged in.

I cast the shackles of ITT from me and I'm going to a Regional College.

My mind is at your disposal, and I plan to verbate about Kimberly, Doug, and G very heavily.

Thank You, Castor!

I will post facts against their 'so called' snide facts and make them look like delinquents coming out of Kindergarton.

They have ITT facts, and I have reality facts. Their facts are very much unreliable and based on ITT brochures that show trivia details.

They are still entranced by ITT... just like I was. Company's on the other hand... are misers, but I will post more on that later.

Get your Masters if you want to be somebody. ITT doesn't have that.
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Caster - Pomona (U.S.A.)

SUBMITTED: Sunday, January 27, 2008 POSTED: Sunday, January 27, 2008
Dude, if you were to get any advice from this, I'd say go to a JC and take care of your general education requirements. After you do that, find a field you want to study at a State College or a "real" private college and go there for 2 years and earn your Bachelors Degree. Just because ITT Tech is a joke doesn't mean you shouldn't get an education. You will save some money going to a JC for 2 years while getting your General Education out of the way, and then you can transfer to another college with the units you earned from the JC. If you do it like this, you also will have 2 years to think about what you want to study and what type of career you would eventually like to get into.

Also, your brother is right. There are people with college degrees working at McDonalds, 7-11(like my cousin who graduated from ITT Tech), and many other places like that. Some are content, some are not content, but the obvious thing is, they all have jobs. If a person works at McDonalds and they are happy as could be, than I say more power to them.

And going back to one of your comments, I am a real person. If ITT Tech was more straight forward with their students and they didn't cost an arm and a leg to attend, then I may change my mind. But the simple fact is, the education they provide for $450 a unit is definitely not worth it. If they worked hard and became accredited so that there units would be accepted at State Colleges or "real" private colleges, then I also may change my mind. But that simply is not the case. YOU CAN NOT TRANSFER ANY UNITS FROM ITT TECH!

The only people who prosper at ITT Tech are the recruiters who get paid for signing people up and the stock owners. The students, unfortunately, get stuck literally paying the bills.
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The man that never lost, but did

The Philosopher - St. Charles (U.S.A.)

SUBMITTED: Friday, February 08, 2008 POSTED: Friday, February 08, 2008
On the 29th of January of this year, 2008, at 2:30 p.m., I had one of my brothers try to blow off my recruiter that I had scheduled for Financial Aid. I told my brother to say, Jason's not interested in ITT (over the phone). Get the h### away from him. But as you would have it, the recruiter wanted to talk to me. He asked me how it was going. I ignored him and immediately began my attack. I'm not going to ITT. There's too many dark corners and shady business going on.

My Recruiter tried to say something, but I cut to the chase The dark corners are that your school is very unpredictable. The shady business says that you all are out to steal people's money. He scoffed and said. Don't you think the police would have come and shut us down if that were the case. I followed up. “People say you all pay them off.

He started getting really defensive, so I just told him I was shooting for an Ivy league school like Oxford, Stanford, Yale, or Harvard. Don't you think you're aiming pretty high? I yawned. Not really. Usually, I get bored when the class doesn't challenge me enough.

The guy would not take no for an answer, it was like talking to a child prodigy. He kept bringing up how great ITT was or how my sources were wrong, never mind he brought up statistics that showed that they were legit. I kept repeating his name over and over When he got a little quiet, I said. Give up, you lost. Guess what he said

Smug Recruiter- I never lose. That's something I never do. I don't lose. I sighed. Look, I'm sorry you feel that way. That's not my problem.

He told me in a mirthful manner, good luck in Harvard and told me he's always there if I change my mind. The call ended. I was quite elated and prepared myself for my date.

Currently now, I am enrolling at University of Pheonix, going for a 4.0 in each of my classes. I don't have a career in mind except whoever pays the most. My number one goal is to be a philanthropist (really rich person who gives out all their money to those in need). I want to start in Information Tech. of Networking, maybe work toward my Master's.

My word is my bond. I never lie. Many people have already let me down, I am the exception.
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RIP OFF SCHOOLS

Margaret - Houston (U.S.A.)

SUBMITTED: Friday, February 08, 2008 POSTED: Friday, February 08, 2008
Remember what I said in my earlier thread? If you don't have a PUBLIC VO TECH school in your state you are better off in Community College for Career Training or a 4 year state college for your education. As for Kat, Career training is EDUCATION, just another form of it. If you are such a smart admissions person you would know that. And as for the last guy who said he was going to UOP, YOU BETTER GET OUT WHILE THE GETTING IS GOOD, and get yourself in a respectable state school. UOP is a rip off just like ITT, Kaplan, Westwood, Everest, NIT, Bradford Career School and any of these overpriced Mickey Mouse houses of education. If you want on line classes take them from your state or community college for reasonable rates and 99% capability of transferring to other colleges.
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Psychological Break

The Philosopher - St. Charles (U.S.A.)

SUBMITTED: Saturday, February 16, 2008 POSTED: Saturday, February 16, 2008
(To the last person posting)

You are so dead wrong. You have no facts, only your opinions. Plus, you have nothing to support your opinions. I smell a potential 'psychological break' coming on... for those of little faith in density. term: stupidity.

Everyone thinks what they see or hear is fact. "They are only your fears and doubts playing tricks on you."

Grand Canyon University sent me on a info errand for the so called truth about 'UoP'. "A bunch of whiners" I say, "these people can't even wipe their own noses. Pathetic. For every act, due recompense. They are worthless."

I digress though, anyway, GCU sent me here first and... I came to ITT next after looking at UoP... the stories were really scary, but I put up a tough front. I compeled myself to fight... against darkness, seeking the light. 25 recruiters called me in total. They were demons; liers. ITT was the 2nd worst of them all. But I thought I was getting my moneys worth going there.

However, GCU sent me to more sites to distract me, they called it finding the truth. I researched everything. The statistics make no sense and whatever lawsuits against certain colleges, it will happen. It's inevitable.

Okay now, on to my attack. JC's are the rip off, you think you're actually getting a good education, think again. Education is what you make of it. Plus, instructers don't care about you and don't want to know you. The whole economics boiling to a rise because of the war in Iraq. Many things are declining as prices GO UP. Gas prices are a huge thing. Traffic, crime, riots, less education happen at JC's. Knowledge is power, knowledge refines itself in learning. I've been to a JC before... I'm not impressed. They are not worth going to. Plus, it gives you a general education, "yawn". I homeschool myself faster than those teachers teach. They are worthless! Guess what, HOMESCHOOLING is FREE!

I need sustenace! I plan on going to a high level University and Harvard is my end point. "Spend alittle to get alittle."
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A Helping Hand

The Philosopher - St. Charles (U.S.A.)

SUBMITTED: Saturday, February 16, 2008 POSTED: Saturday, February 16, 2008
Look, Margaret. We all had our ups and downs. Face reality, literally. You can't trust stuff on websites or whats on paper... Only yourself.

You lack clarity. Being a 'know-it-all" will only give a hostile response.

I, for one, will not be a simpleton. Someone who accepts things for what they are, falls down and takes his/her sweet time getting back up, or just being egotistical. My brothers are always trying to catch me in a lie, but I have clarity to rebuttal them... and I do, on occasions, own up to my mistakes.

When people try to beat me in an argument, sparks will fly... but I never use an excuse when I lose and I just lose gracefully. When others seek advice or encouragment, I give them the best of my knowledge. Not only are they learning, I also learning from them and sharpening my mind.

My approach is to talk to the person who wants something from me. I can spot lyars a mile away, I can't tell over the phone, though. I check for gestures, eye movement, body language, twitching, pitch, tone, not posture but repetition in habit--either from their norm or them being told to do so.

ITT was one such place in Earth City, MO. It was obvious he was scamming me; he kept showing me the advertisements to pump me up. Such a tactic is worthwhile, they have pretty good avertisements. However... The recruiter from PoU helped me to see the truth in a greater perspective. We both explored the outer aspects of going to ITT. This man is a straight shooter; he never lied to me. I told him my plans, future, my horrible past (people who used me), and my quest for ultimate knowledge. He also knows about my stubornish, but hey, I only point point out the many aspects of truth and show people that they are only limiting themselves.

I am a Free Lance Book Writer. My goal when I'm in my thirties is to be the next Stephen King. However, I have a long way to go. I am willing to help those in need, be it moneywise or making them have stronger minds in their beliefs.


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Hold up wait a minute.. Let me put sum pimpin in it.. lol

Thizzy88 - Dos Palos (U.S.A.)

SUBMITTED: Friday, May 30, 2008 POSTED: Friday, May 30, 2008
LOL I find this ridiculously hilarious, I have gone to a community college and I am now attending ITT Tech, So I can compare them more in depth than anyone here from a students point of view. I went to Merced community college and it was unbearable it was crowded and they offered classes that weren't worth 4 credits. Not to mention you could never get one on one time with a teacher.

I felt like I was going in circles, never had help with financial aid paper work, never knew I had to do stuff until I was told, it was just like being the needle in the haystack. I couldn't take it any longer. I stopped going and when I got my license I enrolled in ITT, it was the best thing I did, I love how they help you with thing you need, I go to the one in Clovis CA. I cant speak for the other ITT's and I'm sure some of them don't care but I was lucky enough to live by one where they don't make you do online classes you have to have a GPA of 3.5 and up. They take it seriously here, and I thank them for that. I have learned a lot, I still don't know what I'm going to do with a degree in CEET I want to be a Computer Tech. The ITT in Clovis is like a little family the teachers are great, they give us real life stories of how it applies.

I'm not saying your lying, I just say it doesn't happen here in Clovis. I do agree on the cost, but it what you make it, you can pay 40,000 and not learn anything or you can pay 40,000 and apply yourself. Just because you're paying for it doesn't mean you're going to get the knowledge by sitting there.

That's my ITT experience, I've only been there a quarter, but I already know this is going to be the best investment. Its technology its changing everyday of course something's are going to be outdated its your responsibility to keep up. I gave a 4.0, the only thing that sucks is I have to drive an hour to get to school.
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Focus

Robby - Newark (U.S.A.)

SUBMITTED: Wednesday, July 02, 2008 POSTED: Thursday, July 03, 2008
Castor. why is your focus on ITT?...there are lots of intitutions and companies that are ripping people off for real. there is one thing that might go against you even if you get all your facts which u dont have....u used to work for ITT. what do you think the majority of students going to ITT are going to think when they read your report?: you got fired so you want to retaliate...that is not the best way to go about things if you want to make a change...i agree with all the positive rebuttals on this report. education is what you make it. some student is going to graduate from a four year college with a BA and not get any job or not know what they want to do with their lives while students who attend schools like ITT get better jobs and better lives doing what they love. Honestly, it can go both ways. you have to know what you want to do, to go to ITT...otherwise you are wasting your time and money. as for the costs...to me its worth it.

i am planning on attending ITT, so i started researching...then i found this site. i started having doubts but then i backtracked and thought to myself "wait a minute! these are humans writing these rebuttals" a human can destroy someone's life with just a sentence, a word. its the typical way of us...we are always trying to find ways to blame others for our mistakes. someone could co to ITT and make something big of themselves...your words could change their lives, just because u got screwed or didnt have enough courage to at least try and make something out of yourself.

in life we all have to take risks...and if attending this school is one of them, then i'm willing to take that risk. i could fail, i could suceed; the school could dissapoint me and it could open doors for me, u never really know what life could throw at you. all you have to do is believe in yourself and take a step forward.
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How to Contact You?

Shiz Stain - Chi-Town (U.S.A.)

SUBMITTED: Thursday, October 23, 2008 POSTED: Thursday, October 23, 2008
The email I can't find anywhere but I do have a question. I got accepted but didn't sign any enrollment paper. I called the school up and they said since i didn't go to the FAFSA thing then I don't have to worry because when classes start I don't have to go. Is this true or are they bullshizzzing me?

Also how can I contact you?
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Shills that kill

Kayot - Norwood (U.S.A.)

SUBMITTED: Monday, January 12, 2009 POSTED: Monday, January 12, 2009
Shill:

1. A person paid to endorse a product favorably, while pretending to be impartial.
2. An accomplice at a confidence trick during an auction or gambling game.

Reasoning; I feel that there have been several cases in which people here are shills. The reason I believe this to be true is quite simple.

Example: You buy a lawn mower, it works out of box. What do you do? In most cases, you would use it and if it kept working within it's specifications for the resonable amount of time, you would not have any complains. You would not go onto "ripoff reports" and state what a great product it is. Infact, the thought would not cross your mind.

So why are there people here who are NOT Owners of the company backing this obvious scam up? More importantly, why did they suddenly show up in force when the post size started increasing?

There is an entire team that is paid by ITT Tech to go board snooping. Keep that in mind dear readers. Please do not become like the fallen here. Do not loose your future because of these people.
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A little perspective from a 6th quarter ITT Student

Hipstick - Winter Park (U.S.A.)

SUBMITTED: Thursday, February 05, 2009 POSTED: Thursday, February 05, 2009
I agree with many of the posts here, however I think there is a major dynamic of the school that you are all missing. First off I'm not a genuis, however I do apply myself. I have a 4.0 GPA and have barely broken a sweat. My hardest course was Physics, and I left that course with a 94, and absolutly no idea what kinetic energy is. Will I use Physics? Probably not, but if I transfer to a Univ. I'm going to be expected to understand the concepts.

With that said, the major issue at the Lake Mary, FL campus, is the grand "slacker syndrome" as I call it. The school allows it's students to slack off, and will pass them with very little effort from the student. They may not get a high GPA, but they'll get the degree and that's really all that matters on a resume. At Itt-Tech you only get what you yourself put into it. There are no teachers pushing you to do a GREAT job, they are impressed when papers are turned in on time. No one expects great things from you, so no one does great things.

Also alot of my instructors have SUCKED. But I have had some really great ones. Most of the horrible teachers I've had were let go or quit themselves after realizing it wasn't a right fit. It seems that they'll hire anyone to teach a class, but on the flip side of that, they'll fire someone for practically anything. They recently let go a great teacher at my campus. He was forced to teach classes that he didn't know anything about. Of course students started complaining that he wasn't competent and before you know it, he's fired. After 5 years of teaching there.

Teachers have told me that when asked to teach classes that they weren't trained to teach, the administration would tell them, "Just read this powerpoint we created to follow the curriculum, you'll be ok." Anyone teaching a course that they themselves know only from reading a power point or textbook, basically are teaching you from nothing but text. So in fact, in those classes you could go to a library and check out a book that would have given you the same information.

Another major error on the side of ITT is the Virtual Library. A multi-million dollar peice of junk that serves no other purpose but to piss off it's students. Why not actually build a real library? It's the biggest waste of money I've ever seen. It has potential, but not until they hire a company to make it easy to use and reliable.

One last point and my rant is done. The "slacker syndrome" that I spoke about earlier is my main issue with the school. Many students in my classes hold me back because the instructor is constantly forced to go over material again and again. Students who attend ITT immediatly realize that they do not have to apply themselves. As soon as this realization is met, they miss class every other week and then complain that we don't get enough lab time. They have no knowledge of what it means to work on a "group" project and no desire to apply themselves. It makes me sick to think how much money they are putting into their education only to leave the school with barely any more advantages then a high-school graduate. If the school forced all their students to attend class, turn in assignments and maintain standards that every REAL school enforces, students would benefit from it. Students who leave the school with no education, and then find jobs which they are let go from due to incompetence only give, other ITT grads a bad name.

I don't think that I would recommend this school to anyone, but if you are currently attending ITT, apply yourself, and make the best of it. A University professor that I recently spoke with told me that if I fight hard enough some Universities would accept the majority of my credits. I will however have to fight, submit my textbooks and present examples of what I've learned.
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I Agree!

Joe - Morganfield (U.S.A.)

SUBMITTED: Saturday, February 21, 2009 POSTED: Saturday, February 21, 2009
I was attending an ITT in Newburgh, IN. and I agree totally! the teaching there is so watered down! Also I even had a teacher give us a multiple choice test and on the back of the test there were the answers. I believe a lot of the thinking they had was baby them through it, give them good grades, get their money and ship them out!
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Castor- Just a few comments...

Anonymous - Evansville (U.S.A.)

SUBMITTED: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 POSTED: Wednesday, March 04, 2009
I'm sorry about your experience but I am here to tell you that not all "recruiters" lie to get students into class. If you believe in and are enthusiastic about the service you are selling, the potential student will be as well. There is no reason to lie about anything. Also, as far as recruiting being an easier job than being in the financial aid department, you are dead wrong. Basically all the financial aid administrators do is sit in their office and complete paperwork. Yeah, that's real tough. The position doesn't even require a degree as recruiting does. The reason that recruiters get paid better is because their main job is to keep new students coming in which in turn keeps the business going.

Maybe you should get your facts straight before coming on a site such as this and blasting everyone that works in the marketing department. You had a bad experience. So what? Obviously you are pretty lazy (you stated that the only reason you stayed as long as you did was because you didn't have to "work that hard") and just didn't have what it takes to cut it as a recruiter. Come on, you didn't even work there a year!
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THANK YOU, YOU SAVED ME 80,000 DOLLARS

Jennifer.torrentes - Everett (U.S.A.)

SUBMITTED: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 POSTED: Wednesday, April 22, 2009
I was interested in going to ITT Tech, I saw all the commercials, and was totally sucked in. I went yesterday for my meeting with the recruiter, and was there for 3 hours. Taking a test to see if I could get in, which was ridiculously easy, taking tours, ect. At first, I thought this school was for me. Then we got to the finance part. 20,000 a year?? really? I was floored to say the least, and the only thing that they could say was that it was this amazing investment on my future, they kept comparing it to the purchase of a car. I didn't see the connection but whatever. But I was willing to hear what he had to say, and I must admit, what he was saying was pretty convincing, and sounded amazing. The schedule, ( i have four children, and work), the class size, the hands on aspect. I made another appointment for today to take my w2's and my husbands, and they could tell me the exact numbers of my loans and grants. (which is weird because the year that they are asking for i didnt even know my husband, and when I asked about that they couldnt answer) I told them that the cost was outrageous and that there is no way i could pay that. He was very comforting, saying that no one can, and they are there to help me. Then he told me that there was a huge return on my "investment" I asked what that was. He said 25%...huh.. 25%.. wow, thats huge..I was expecting like, 70, at least. 25 isnt a huge return form me, especially off of $80,000 .The financial aid woman told me that she was going to do everything in her power, to get me all the money that she could, thinking "wow, these people really want me to enroll" (and in reading your letter, I know relize why they where so adimate, even going to far as to calling the IRS, right then and there, and requesting a copy of my w2's and tax transcripts) The recruiter was very careful on how he chose his words, using "like" alot. "These are the people "like" the people who hire our students". Also he kept reminding me that there was 108 campuses in the US. Also, they had pictures on a board, of students that were now working. There was about 10 pictures on there, which was funny, because he told me that there was 400 enrolled. 10 out of 400 isnt very good. Then he proceeded to let me know that 49% of there students graduate, ( less then half.. hmmm..) and that the staff was there whenever you needed them, private tutoring ect. But while was there, (it was about 1 in the afternoon) there was no one there, and the 3 women I did see where kind of rude. So Im not to sure about the staff there. I dont know, call me crazy but in the end, if Im paying upwards of 80 grand, I want some respect.. i dont know.. thats just me...

Yesterday when I left, I went to the local grocery store, and I was chatting with the cashier about this ITT thing, and the gentleman behind me inturupted me, letting me know that he was a students of ITT. (nice..right??!!) He told me that the education was crap. It was only about 1/2 of what he really needed to know. That yes, he did graduate, and started off at 40 a year, he could have been making alot more if the training at ITT was better. For what hes doing, at the company hes with he should have started at 60. hhmmm.. interesting.

I am now going to the jc that I was origianlly interested in.

So reading your letter, really confirmed everything. Especially hearing it from a recruiter, the truth, from someone who actually has been on that side. I super appriciate you taking the time to right this. You have saved me not only a life of debt, but frusteration as well, and with 4 kids, and a husband, thats just not something I want. So, your article has not fallin on def ears (persay) and has helped. alot. And agian, I thank you. Your on it!!!
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AMEN SISTER

Doug - Boise (U.S.A.)

SUBMITTED: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 POSTED: Wednesday, May 13, 2009
I am also a previous employee and you nailed it on the nose. I was a recruiter and after each day of work, I felt that I needed to go home and shower. Unfortunantely, I went to school there in the early 1990's but thought working there would be different. Instead, it just confirmed my beliefs all around. Education should put people in a better position for their future instead of a ton of debt for entry level jobs. I am angry about this situation and plan to continue to voice my concerns. I hope you do the same.
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Thanks for the advice!

Lana - Milwaukee (U.S.A.)

SUBMITTED: Monday, May 18, 2009 POSTED: Monday, May 18, 2009
I am looking to start my BA in Criminal Justice, I checked in here first, and canceled my tour of the school.The recrutier asked why, and I said due to what I read here.He went on and on, about not trusting everything on the net. I feel all of these statements are very honest, and valid points.Thanks again.
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Sites Like These Are Helpful

Gg - Denver (U.S.A.)

SUBMITTED: Monday, May 18, 2009 POSTED: Monday, May 18, 2009
I wanted to continue on towards my higher education after a few years of completing schools. Being tight on money and having no college fund set up I decided to look to see what options were available to me school wise. Call me ignorant, but I always thought a community college would be more expensive than a trade school. So I set up an appointment to visit my local ITT Tech campus in Colorado. Luckily I had someone come with me, a guy friend I had known just for back up. So I went to my scheduled appointment and sat through it listening to a sales pitch. I knew it was a sales pitch because I have a couple years of sales experience under my belt. The recruiter kept going on and on about how ITT Tech was accredited and that the investment would be worth it. I told him about my financial situation and of course he had an answer for that as well. So, being naive I said okay to the estimated cost which would have been 45,000 for two years (usually a B.A. takes 4 years). Thinking back on it now I would have buried myself so far in debt had I decided to go 45,000 x 2 = 90,000..talk about ouch. Any way, there was one hurdle standing in the way of me attending college…the fact that I needed my parents tax information. This was a huge problem because my mother was not willing to divulge this information.

The next day my recruiter calls and tells me that I need that information to continue school and if there was any way I could go to the place my mother filed her taxes and try to get her information. I stood on the phone dumbfounded and told him that this was not possible. Of course he kept calling until my boyfriend told him to stop bothering us. I am so happy that fate stepped in and a series of events happened so I would not waste my life paying back loans for an education that is only good for entry level positions. Now I am attending a community college for $98 dollars per credit hour, being that I am considered a resident. It is a little more, I think $196 for non-residents. Also, many community colleges offer online classes, nights and weekend courses. Not everything is available of course and many of the prerequisites classes are not GT or Guaranteed to Transfer as a credits to a major university; however, higher level classes usually (100 + ) are GT to transfer! So, that's nice!

The moral of my story is check into your local community/junior colleges and see what you can get as far as grants, work-study, loans and scholarships. I had almost my entire college bill covered and got back the money that was not used. I had to only take out 1,500 loan for my first semester (because I was not considered a resident and I was also too late to file for residency for that semester) and don't need to worry about paying that until 2014.Chances are you are better off going to a junior college because it is cheaper. I know most people are turned off to the idea, but colleges now offer many perks that were not around before. I am a single mother, who works a full-time job and also attends college at 12 credit hours. I have done all this in my first year and have maintained a 3.8 GPA while going to a college that I know will give me the education, respect and honesty I need in order to transfer to an university of my choice! So, think hard and do your research. Institutions like ITT Tech like to prey on single parents, seniors, the poor and any other person who has dreams to make their lives better, but not enough money to do so. Do not fall for their tricks.

Thanks,

G.G.
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Ripped Off and Taken Advantage of at ITT North Houston...

Randy - Houston (U.S.A.)

SUBMITTED: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 POSTED: Tuesday, June 02, 2009
I moved my family to Texas from Northern Virginia in October 2007 when the real estate market was crashing and my home was in foreclosure. We were told by a close relative residing in Texas that the Houston area was stable due to the oil, gas, and chemical industries and not effected by mortgage fraud, foreclosures, and bad economy.

I owned a small IT services company in Virginia and began looking for an IT position in the Houston area. I went to ITT Technical Institute in December 2007 to apply for a job when I was approached by an attractive recruiter. She talked me into signing up and taking some classes to enrich my already extensive knowledge and experience in IT along with the opportunity to network with other professionals in my field. She advised me that my certifications were somewhat outdated and they would assist me in refreshing them.

Needless to say, I completed and signed the student loan application which to my surprise was immediately approved. My credit was poor at the time due to the foreclosure of my $450K home in VA. After the first couple of classes, I realized that I knew more than the instructors. I am an MCSE (Microsoft Certified Systems Engineer 2203), CCNP (Cisco Certified Network Professional 2002), VCP (VMware Certified Professional 2007), and a CCA (Citrix Certified Administrator 2005).

I stoppped attending classes and found a great job, but for the remainder of the semester and thereafter, I was harassed by the recruiter and the career counselor to return to ITT and complete my education. My recruiter had also advised me that my regular 4-year college credits would transfer but that it may take a semester or so. Not true. A small irony in this is that two résumés from two of the ITT instructors came accross my desk at the company where I am currently employed as a Senior Systems Engineer. Their IT experience is practically nil.

Bottom line is that I was taken advantage of due to my vulnerability as a desperate new kid on the block in Houston. I went there looking for employment but was mislead into signing up for a two-year college. My wife and I filed for bankruptcy in 2008 and was approved in court. ITT was included but Sallie Mae wasn't. I just received a notice from a collection agency (NCO Financial Systems, Inc.) demanding me to repay the entire $4059.48 amount of the ITT portion of the loan after the bankruptcy court had already wiped my slate clean of them.

ITT Technical Institute's method of recruiting students is an outrage and a travesty to education. ITT deliberately and knowingly misleads individuals who wish to better themselves, and ultimately makes things worse for them. ITT Technical Institute needs to be shut down until they can stop ripping people off!
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ITT Tech, not all its cracked up to be?

2wentee - Salem (U.S.A.)

SUBMITTED: Friday, July 31, 2009 POSTED: Friday, July 31, 2009
Yesterday I met with a ITT Tech sales person I mean career counselor and a lot of things are definitely coming into perspective after reading your post.
For starters, I felt as if she was more concerned with signing me up rather than the future of my life. Instead of taking a job placement test to bring my true talents to light, she laid out a bunch of flow charts and we used the process elimination to determine what career path will one day support my family.

They told me that upon graduation, I will make a minimum of the tuition that I paid plus 25% per year. So they basically guaranteed I will walk out of ITTs door and into a $56,250/year job ($45,000tuitionX.25=$11,250+$45,000=$56,000). She never said that I will make $56,250 out the door, wouldn't they make a point to tell you that if it was true?

The little test thing they give you was complete nonsense. I have attended a 'real' college, taken real final exams, and taken the SAT's. I really believe the questions on the ITT test was some kind of complex 'coded' personality test designed to get an upper hand on prospective students. I say this because the questions were not truly based on any kind of intelligence, they seemed more of a perspective.

All in all my experience seemed like one big psychological attack and i am not really the paranoid type.
Anyways, please let me know your take on this. Thank you
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ReactorCore - Victoria (Canada)

SUBMITTED: Friday, July 31, 2009 POSTED: Thursday, September 03, 2009
There's a lot of gripes about ITT. LOTS.

There is a board for people to get together and share their "horror stories" regarding ITT in the realms of recruitment, enrollment and just general (really) bad classroom experiences. For those of you stung by ITT and wishing to network with others who have been through that grinder, here is a site that you may find interesting and informative... It dishes all the dirt on how bad ITT is, but (more importantly) it tells you WHY it's so bad:

ittakestime.org

Hope this helps you folks.
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Diamondgirl - (USA)

SUBMITTED: Thursday, September 03, 2009 POSTED: Thursday, September 03, 2009

   OMG! I am so glad I found this site! I was literally one day away from signing up at ITT.  I was so eager to get an education, that I was willing to do whatever it took to get into a school.  I thought ITT was a reputable school.  I don't know why or how the FCC allows false advertising on television.  Thank You everyone for stopping me from making the biggest mistake of my life and I am so sorry for ALL of you that got taken for a ride from this fly-by-night operation!  I wish there was something I could do to help.


   I am in the St. Louis, Missouri area and looking for a IT school.  Can someone recommend a good school?  I was also looking into Missouri Tech.  I googled Missouri Tech and so far have found NO reviews at all, good or bad.  Maybe as they say, "no news is good news"?  Thanks for reading.


 


Diana


St. Louis, Missouri


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A few solutions for ITT Tech from smsdam.com

phanerus - Victoria Island (Nigeria)

SUBMITTED: Sunday, December 27, 2009 POSTED: Monday, December 28, 2009
Hello ITT Tech is obviously trying to cut down costs at the expense of a lot of things.
I would have suggested they increase fees out right and still maintain standards to avoid reports like this . Also the management of ITT Tech need to have a sit down and change how they have been running things. It is necessary action when you are presiding over a very dynamic system in terms of its complexity like students and lecturers who need money on the side for so many things. For complex systems like this you certainly have to do a clean up every now and then bad eggs and weeds always get into the pack some how when u dont clean up periodically .Also taking feed backs from the people who are of most concern - the students . Would help the most. That way ITT Tech can know exactly where the shoe hurts the most and then make plans to change it. smsdam.com

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boolean3d - greendale (United States of America)

SUBMITTED: Monday, January 11, 2010 POSTED: Monday, January 11, 2010

It is intersting to see so many people complaining about this ITT Tech company.  Out of the few here that complain a lot, just take note that there are more than 100 times more poeple out there that have gone to ITT Tech that are not.  And I am assuming that you complainers are not successful in your endeavers to make a better life for your self.  And are placing the blame on the school for you failures or insecurities.  You had a goal in mind and attending a college for eduction was a means to help you attain that goal.  I guarantee that by not attending school to increase your knowledge that you never get anywhere unless you educate yourself. 


The education that you receive from any institution whether it be for profit or not is really not up to the instructor, the school, your friends . . . or whatever, it is up to you.  In fact I know plenty of people that have not committed themselves to attend school for educattion but did all the learning on their own.  They are very successful in their endeavors because of their committment to themselves.  


Your complaints here on this 'forum' will go un noticed.  If you are really attending this ITT Tech company and have all this grief why not focus your complaints on them to make it better.  Whining about it here will get you nowhere.


As for the person who posted some crap about federal court  and searching the school for documents and junk like that, you might want to do your research to find out exactly what that was all about (because its obviuos that you have no clue).


Just one more thing.  I am not here defending the ITT Tech company.  I have been given an assignment in school th do a little research about people's opinions.  Quite frankly the opinions pointed out here are just a bunch of garbage.  Just rants on why you dont like this or that.  There are no hard facts backing up statements.


Take responsibility for yourself.


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Caster - Pomona (U.S.A.)

SUBMITTED: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 POSTED: Tuesday, January 12, 2010

Hey just to let y'all know, good ole Caz Troy is still reading this bulletin and checking in.   ITT Tech is garbage and from the complaints on this board, not much has changed! 


Have y'all seen the increase in commercials from this school?  They are the same commercial over and over and over again.  "Come to ITT Tech and we'll change your life."  "Before I was in ITT Tech I didn't know what I wanted. Now I'm a ___________."   They're basically "painting a picture" in these commercials and it's all advertising magic.  


Please keep close notice to a lot of the commercials because a lot of the commercials these days even have disclaimers and warnings about the commercial and their honesty. 


 


 


 


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jthomas - (United States of America)

SUBMITTED: Monday, January 18, 2010 POSTED: Tuesday, January 19, 2010

Hi, I'm an International student from China. I was about to enroll for ITT Tech.., but never mind. This clearly shows me how ITT Tech's doing business. and i will post some comments to Chinese and Indian International Student Network site. Thanks to the comments.


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Still dealing with ITT TECH SCUM, any advice would be helpful.

Hillary222 - Media (United States of America)

SUBMITTED: Friday, January 29, 2010 POSTED: Friday, January 29, 2010
My boyfriend enrolled at ITT Tech a little over a year ago and once I caught the scent that something was not right I urged him to discontinue going there and he did, unfortunately after 2 whole semesters. My boyfriend has always been in a low income family and when he made inquiries on several schools to go to he go an immediate, shark-like, phone call back from a recruiter at ITT Tech and, partially because he was niave, was impressed with their response. He is 25 and wanted to go to college and get a degree like I did so that we could have a good life together. He is crazy about the idea of classes and he would need a lot of extra help in school. I did go to his appointment with his recruiter the first time. I, being through school and having loans, know how it all works so I asked most of the questions. The recruiter was good, saying he worked long hours but it was worth it (hindsight is 20/20, he probably just meant he got paid well for taking advantage of young people trying to make the right decisions and get an education). He explained the program and tried his hardest not to tell me the actual tuition. He gave me a quote finally of $45,000 for all 4 semesters. I went to community college and I about fell over. I should have ran there but I never saw my boyfriend so enthusiastic about school. THe recruiter told me, who was concerned about loans and not having them, that my boyfriend would be all paid for from grants and other funding completely until the final semester when he would have to take out a small loan. This was also confirmed for me in the financial aid office that I went to with him by the guy helping him fill out his FAFSA. They were enthusiastic all day stressing how he won't have to pay anything. He just shows up, gets his books, and gets he awesome education. He said everything is hands on, classes are small, blah blah blah. My boyfriend, to my surprise, passed the entrance exam on the second try. He failed first, retook it and hit just the mark to pass it. How rigged does that seem? So he started going to school which was a 30min commute by car from our house, but a 2 hour communte by bus and train (and he was doing this 3 days a week when he was not working and paying for it himself). So he stopped going about a couple months ago after his completion of his second semester. In his annual credit report he had a $6,000 total amount loan due to Sallie Mae to our surprise and received a phone call literally that same week from a debt collector looking to collect his debt from ITT Tech. I called ITT Tech and financial aid, who cannot share specifics with me, told me that he was taking about a loan for $3,000 each semester most likely to make up for what is not covered by grants. I was infuriated! They obviously left this out and did not answer my questions truthfully. He said I would have to talk to the school director so I am going to call tomorrow and see what lies this lady has for me. He then told me tuition was $17,000 a year. So they quoted $45,000 for 2 years to me before and that doesn't match up. His financial aid he is getting total gives him $16,000 towards everything (INCLUDING TRANSPORTATION which he has been paying for out of pocket, that he wrote on his application that he would need) each year. So technically he should only owe them about $1,000 after everything each year. Where did this $6,000 come from? How come we never received one item from sallie mae in the mail saying he had a loan for the last year? He told me that I need to check with the post office or call sallie mae. And who is the debt collector saying he owes ITT Tech money? Shouldnt they be taken care of by Sallie mae? We will find out what and how much this debt is to ITT Tech directly tomorrow. And we are making an appt. with the director next week. Everything they told us was a lie because I knew the right questions to ask and they lied to my face. If I knew he would have had to take out a $3,000 private loan every semester I would have slapped them all in the face and took him to community college where he could pay $1,500-$2,000 a semester. Plus on top of that I noticed that his education was stuff I did in HIGH SCHOOL! They did not teach him proper college materials. He was learning the bare minimum and hardly had any knowledge of his major after one year. Then I find out no school takes his credits and no employer will honor his $45,000 associate degree either? Does that even make sense at all? Does anyone have advice or insight before I go and make an appointment with the director? We can't pay this money and that is why we went there in the first place because all they talked about was how he would go for free and was taken care of. I went to school with him some nights and stayed so he didn't have to make his commute and I saw the people there. They want to tell me that those people will have $12,000 in student loans after 2 years gaining interest ?!!! YEAH RIGHT!
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