I'm sorry to see on the Internet that Rip-off Report is now to object of a SLAPP (strategic lawsuit to stop public participation) to the tune of $10,000,000. It's too bad that this technique is used by some to quiet those that dare question their questionable practices.
As far as Alyon's response, I have a few things to say about it.
>ALYON'S RESPONSE TO REPORTS
>Dear Consumers:
>Due to the large number of reports posted on the Rip-Off Report about Alyon Technologies since December 2002, Rip-off Report and Alyon Technologies have worked together to investigate and address the recurrent issues reported in your complaints. To read Rip-off Report's Editor's Comment, click here.
To the tune of $10,000,000 according to some websites.
>• The dialer software used by Alyon does not >connect automatically to Alyon's gateway >without user's consent
In spring of 2003 this was not true. My son went to a game website and downloaded a "program" that was supposed to speed up games on his computer. It never really worked, so he deleted it. After that, porno popups started appearing on his computer, sometimes so fast that when you clicked "X" on one, three more would show up. After approximately four weeks we got a bill from Alyon Technologies for $160.78 for a visit to a porno website for 31 minutes. Nobody clicked on a damn thing authorizing any connection to a porno website. Even if he did (which he didn't) he was a minor and still is.
> Alyon's verification method
>• Alyon's procedure to refund consumers who were billed due to a connection initiated by a minor in their household, prior to June 2003
In my opinion, Alyon were caught red-handed and had to offer refunds or it wouldn't look good in federal court. Can you say "FCC"? I knew that you could.
>• The FTC case against Alyon and the cases brought by the States
The July 10, 2003 Order
The October 17, 2003 Order
>THE DIALER SOFTWARE USED BY ALYON DOES NOT CONNECT AUTOMATICALLY TO ALYON'S GATEWAY WITHOUT USER'S CONSENT
Maybe after June 2003 but before it didn't. Not in our case. Check out IEaccess, minidialer, and eGroup fold information on the 'net. My son's computer had them with some other garbage. I removed them manually (according to instructions on several websites) and, to be sure, used a virus/trojan horse program to remove any remains. I also downloaded the service pack from Microsoft to "patch up" Internet Explorer.
My advice, do the same. Also get a spyware program and a good, up to date antivirus program and firewall. Make your computer invisible to the Internet. Most importantly, if you can, block game, music and freeware websites unless you are ABSOLUTELY SURE they are "clean". It's amazing to see a program like Zone Alert report "programs" trying to access the Internet without your knowledge. BTW, Cable and DSL connections are NOT immune to this nonsense.
>A number of Rip-off Report posters were offended and upset after receiving invoices for connecting to Alyon's gateway and by what they erroneously believed to be Alyon's billing practices. They chose the Rip-Off Report to express their concerns.
Sure. After repeated attempts to contact the company failed. I tried email (no response), landline (nobody answered) and regular mail (no response except more bills). It wasn't until after I contacted the FTC, FBI, FCC and other agencies and mailed Alyon (return receipt requested) letters of complaint with cc: FTC, FBI, FCC did I get a response. And that was after July 10!
> Many rip-off reports claim that consumers have been connected to Alyon without their knowledge or consent. Some consumers complained that they received bills from Alyon for connecting when they were not at home, or complained that they do not have a computer.
Yep. It happened to my son.
>There is no basis to support assertions that the dialer used by Alyon breaks down firewalls or perniciously causes a modem to self-activate and dial Alyon's gateway.
Wrong. Check the internet. There are many sites that deal with security that mention the exact software that appeared on people's computers. It did on my son's computer. Are they calling me a liar?
>The only way to connect to Alyon's gateway is by clicking on a button to accept the terms and conditions which are displayed above the button. Also the user has to enter correctly the last four digits of his or her social security number. The terms and conditions displayed on the screen above the button state that, by clicking the button, one will be charged US$4.99/per minute. Once the connection is authorized and established the system tracks the length of the call, verifies the identity of the telephone line subscriber, and sends the bill to the subscriber of the telephone line used to establish modem connection.
Maybe now....but not pre-court order. No verification at all. In fact, they cannot prove who made the call, just the number. Nothing more than a fancy caller-ID. So a program can call and nobody would know until the bill arrives.
>ALYON'S VERIFICATION METHOD
>Alyon's system verifies the identity of the user by matching it with reverse telephone number directories. Since June 2003, Alyon added an extra verification step to reduce the possibility of error in reverse matching the phone number to the phone line subscriber.
They did that prior to June 2003. They added an "extra" step to satisfy the AVC.
>It now requires the user to enter the last four digits of the user's social security number. What this does is that if the social security number information is not provided or does not match the last four digits of the phone line subscriber's social security number, the call is disconnected and no bill is issued. This extra step was approved by the Court (July 10 Order, p. 4).
First, I would not give ANY part of my social security number out over the Internet, especially to Alyon Technologies. Second, Alyon can get the subscriber's last four digit from the phone company? They shouldn't be allowed to do that.
>Click here to see the July 10 Order.
I have a copy. It says Alyon can't collect unless they have a way of verifying. Unfortunately, pre-July 10, we could be out of luck.
>Alyon does not issue bills unless Alyon's gateway receives a computer modem call from the address to which the bill is issued. Alyon's gateway is set up to connect only calls that are placed by computer (through a modem).
So you admit it! Placed "BY A COMPUTER (THROUGH A MODEM)." Alyon's words. Never said that a person initiates it. That's why the Trojan horse. Alyon had no way to tell who or what placed the call. PROVE A PERSON TYPED IN THE NUMBER! GO AHEAD.
>Alyon's server does not recognize or process calls placed from somebody's telephone number without a computer and without a modem; it simply drops the call, does not connect and so there is no CDR ("Call Details Record") recorded and therefore no bill can be issued).
>ALYON'S PROCEDURE TO REFUND CONSUMERS WHO WERE BILLED DUE TO A CONNECTION INITIATED BY A MINOR IN THEIR HOUSEHOLD, PRIOR TO JUNE 2003
>For charges incurred before the June 2003 implementation of the social security number verification step, parents who complained that Alyon billed them for charges made by their minor children had a procedure to obtain cancellation of their bill or a refund from Alyon. Alyon adopted this procedure in voluntary compliance with parameters for dispute resolution that were made part of a consent order submitted by Alyon to the Federal District Court for the Northern District of Georgia. The consent order was entered by the Court on July 10, 2003. The procedure approved by the Court required that the child's parent(s) submit to Alyon a “Minor Access Affidavit”. The time set by the Court to use this procedure has now expired (the initial 90 days term was extended by Court for an additional 90 days term until January 20, 2004.
Implimented after the July 10th court order. Part of the AVC I bet. Received mine 8/29. I did that....to five addresses, return receipt requested on 9/6. It would have been nice if Alyon sent a little note that the bill was cancelled. Or are they waiting until the heat dies down and then start billing again?
>THE FTC CASE AGAINST ALYON AND THE CASES BROUGHT BY THE STATES
>Several reports posted on the Rip-Off Report stated that due to the charges brought against Alyon by the FTC, on July 10, 2003 the Federal Court for the Northern District of Georgia issued an order prohibiting Alyon from billing, collecting or attempting to collect bills from its customers.
>This is incorrect. The July 10 Order denied the FTC request for such order (so called "preliminary injunction") and denied it again on reconsideration on October 17, 2003. The Federal judge who issued the July 10 Order, Judge Richard W. Story, issued a later Order on October 17, 2003 expressly clarifying his decision. Judge Story stated:
"(T)he FTC argues that the July 10 Order should have stopped Defendants [Alyon] from billing, collecting, or attempting to collect from consumers for services provided prior to the time Defendants [Alyon] implemented their new practices and procedures under the AVC. Indeed, the Order did not prohibit Defendants [Alyon] from billing, collecting, or attempting to collect from past consumers. Instead, the Order set forth the parameters under which Defendants [Alyon] may continue to conduct these activities – by use of the dispute resolution mechanism defendants had already implemented." (October 17 Order, p. 7). Click here to view the October 17 Order.
“[A]lthough the Order entered July 10, 2003 (“the July 10 Order”) made the AVC's [Assurance of Voluntary Compliance] provisions enforceable against Defendants [Alyon], it was never based on a finding that Defendants [Alyon] were violating the law and was entered only with Defendants' [Alyon] consent” (October 17 Order, p. 3). Click here to view the October 17 Order.
It was listed on a lot more websites than just Rip-off Report. The release I have says, "Under an Order issued by U. S. District Court Judge R. W. Story in the Northern District of Georgia, dxefendents Alyon Technologies, Inc., Telcollect, Inc., and Stephane Toulboul are prohibited from billing, collecting, or attempting to collect payment from consumers WITHOUT FULLY DISCLOSING THE MATERIAL TERMS OF THE SALE TO THE CONSUMER, OR SOMEONE AUTHORIZED TO ACT TO INCUR THE CHARGES AND ALSO VERIFYING THAT THE PERSON RECEIVING THE SERVICES WAS AUTHORIZED TO INCUR THE CHARGES. (Emphasis is mine) In my case they did not. But since it really applied after the court order of July 10th, anyone who incurred a charge before the court order could still be billed.
Alyon was not "vindicated". Voluntary Complaince is usually the first step in a long procedure. If they don't comply, things get tougher for them. They go back to court and have to explain why they didn't comply. They could then be fined. I've seen this many times in watching legal dealings with federal agencies. The courts cut them some slack. But the AVC is a way of saying, "Hey, we see you doing something wrong. You have a chance to fix it before we do." Sorry, Alyon was not "vidicated", just giving a chance to get out of their mess.
>Judge Story denied the FTC's request that the Court reconsider its July 10 decision and issue a preliminary injunction because he considered the evidence presented by Alyon and the procedures of the AVC (which Alyon had already in place since June 2003) sufficient to protect consumers and let Alyon continue do business during the pendency of the case. Judge Story said:
>"Based on Defendants' [Alyon] representations to this Court and the evidence presented, the Court concluded that Defendants' [Alyon] voluntary implementation of the practices and procedures set forth in the AVC met the standards for denying a motion for preliminary injunction as moot. FTC has therefore failed to meet the standards for a motion for reconsideration on this issue" (October 17 Order, p. 5). Click here to view the October 17 Order.
In other words, they "fixed" the problem so they can continue doing business.
>Since spring 2003, Alyon has been the target of several lawsuits at the Federal and State level. These cases parallel many of the unfounded and unsubstantiated statements discussed above, which were posted by consumers on the Rip-Off Report.
That a human told the computer to dial the porno website is ALSO UNFOUNDED. All ALyon had was a call coming in, not who made the call. Of course they parallel the cases, they probably all had the same damn Trojan horse.
>In May 2003, the FTC sought a Preliminary Injunction against Alyon in Federal Court in Georgia, alleging that Alyon's billing practices are deceptive and (censored) and that the Alyon billing method incorporates the use of a pernicious dialer.
Gee, what was censored? Guess what? It did use a dialer.
>In June 2003, at the Preliminary Injunction hearing Judge Richard W. Story denied the FTC Preliminary Injunction and accepted Alyon's offer to voluntarily submit to a consent order, which would make enforceable certain practices and procedures and a “Consumer Dispute Resolution Mechanism”, under the Court's supervision, so that Alyon could continue to conduct business.
Hooray that Alyon had to follow the AVC. At least that's something.
>On July 10, 2003, Judge Story entered the consent Order. Click here to see the July 10 Order.
>On October 17, 2003, Judge Story issued a second Order denying the FTC request for reconsideration and confirming the July 10 Order. Click here to view the October 17 Order.
>Alyon feels that consumers have abused both its services and the services of the Rip-Off Report and wasted public resources by engaging public authorities and the U.S. Courts in an unnecessary exercise just to avoid personal accountability for paying their bills. The FTC case and the cases brought against Alyon by the individual States are still pending. However, Alyon has not been found responsible for any wrong doing and no judgment issued against it.
I abused them? Hmmm.....they claim our "connection" was on 2/3, they generated the bill on 2/6 with a due date of 2/19 then mailed it (and when did they mail it?)and we received it on 3/2, after the due date. Repeated attempts to contact Alyon with no response but bills an a letter from a collection agency. Who's doing what to who?
My son didn't do a darn thing. He never saw a porno website. IF they delievered a "Service", we never received it (not that we wanted it). Who's doing what to who?
Can I say, "the check is in the mail". "You didn't get it?" "Well, I sent it. Your problem." Yeah, right. I felt there was an attempt to rip me off, so I contacted the authorities. Alyon would do the same.
Alyon had to comply with a voluntary action to fix their "billing problems" or else they would get hauled back into court and face stiff penalties ("the judgement"). That means there WAS something shady going on.
>There are no findings of Alyon's using “Trojan horse” viruses, there are no “pernicious” or “phantom” dialers and there are no (censored).
As far as the Trojan horse issue, it would have to be proven that they bought the program and "planted" it on websites. A very difficult thing to do, and THEY KNOW IT. Mr. Toulboul is (I believe) French, the Trojan horse was written in France...interesting "coincidence".
>The litigation process and the pendency of litigation have caused and continues to cause Alyon millions of dollars in legal fees, damages and losses.
Probably just cut into Alyon's profit margin. It's company of fewer than 12 people. From the advertising on the 'net, Alyon seems to be expanding their business and offering to teach/help others how to use the Internet to make "sales" for a profit. In my opinion, Alyon seems to be doing quite well.
>Solely as a necessary effort to contain damages and losses, Alyon is now considering settlement with several of the individual States.
But some states have gone further than the FTC and required Alyon to make refunds. In those states, Alyon lost. Check the 'net.
In my case,
Fact: My son accidentally downloaded a Trojan horse from a game website. The Trojan horse is well documented on the Internet. It activated and called up the porno website for 31 minutes without anyone authorizing it or knowing about it. The only sign of anything was a flood of porno popups. I found it and squashed it. This was his computer, NOT MINE, so I wasn't looking for porn like some allegations. During that year, I would go on my computer after 11 PM. He would be on after school, often with me in the immediate vicinity so I could monitor his activities. No porno website ever showed on his screen, just popups. At that time, he thought porn was "yucky" and he just about cried when the popups showed up on the screen. He thought he was going to get in big trouble.
Fact: Alyon says there were no "Trojan horses..."
Then how come many people have found them on their computers. The same ones. Documented on the Internet. A lie?
Fact: Didn't know anything about Alyon until we got a bill after the due date. After I emailed Alyon I got a flood of porno spam emails (which may or may not be related but I did email Alyon from MY email address on MY computer).
Fact: They did not respond to my email or regular mail until after the July 10th court order. They never picked up the phone when I called. Their website offered no help, just a list of your "account". They claim to respond to consumers. Another lie?
Fact: I did finally receive a "Minor Access
Affidavit" on 8/29 which I mailed in 9/6 and I haven't heard a damn thing from Alyon since! Is the bill cancelled? A lie of omission?
Fact: In one letter, Alyon claimed to have tried to contact me on "numerous times" but there was no FAX, message on the answering machine or list on the caller-ID (unless they have it blocked). Nothing but bills. Another lie?
Fact: In spite of what Alyon says, the FTC release of 7/16 does not say they can't collect, only if they don't follow certain proceedures.
Another lie?
We were victims of Alyon, but we were luckier than most. We didn't pay. Unfortunately, both my children were afraid to get on the Internet for weeks. Too bad this whole situation had this effect. I blame Alyon.
It's too bad a public forum is under attack from a company that was caught doing something shady. Rip-off Report does do a valuable service to the public. There was a lot of good information about how to fight this nonsense and it's also good to realize that you are not alone. It seems free speech is under attack also. I guess some don't like the light of truth and open discussion.
Alyon...we are watching you.
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So there.