Submitted: Saturday, January 24, 2009
Posted: Saturday, January 24, 2009
Devilsadvocate4education*just My Opinions*
Las Vegas
U.S.A.
There are also some aliases I think on the other site as well. i would STEER CLEAR of this lady for sure. There are way too many complaints for me to think there is nothing wrong here, but I DID want to point out a few things, but they don't necessarily have to do with this breeder or this buyer, just some things to ponder if purchasing a puppy in general. Communicate by email or in writing as often as possible, and make sure all the terms are clear. Don't assume anything.
This buyer did well by asking for more photos of the dogs and enviroment number one. But, while the poster may have mentioned AKC several times, did the seller? Alot of people assume registered is AKC, it is not anymore. Ask for the registry, the terms, and even the sire and dam's registration numbers if you have too. Get it in writing, BEFORE you folow through with the puchase, and even the deposit. Do you get the papers at purchase, or is their a hold, if so, how long? Know the terms before, and have PROOF of them, don't take their word.
Shipping, $250 is a pretty standard fee. Shipping fees do not just include the airline fees. The shipper must get a health certificate (usually a physical exam varifying that the animal appears free of contagious disease, and the rabies vaccination if old enough). I believe that any animal over 3 months is required to have rabies to travel. Crate, and time and gas in general is usually also included in this fee, but not always broken down for you. If shipping is being put off besides something other than an embargo (and all regular shippers are usually familiar with these), or possibly they are worried about size, be weary. Start looking up the state lemon laws (theirs)if there are any, RIGHT NOW. Take that animal to a vet IMMEDIATELY (schedule an appointment for the day your puppy arrives or the day after whenever possible, this is usually a condition of most contracts as well anyways) after arrival. There is a good possibility that they could not get a health certificate due to illness. Or, the puppy may not have arrived at their place yet ........ Or it might not at all.
Breeds and health: Some breeds have health issues that are 'normal' for them, but not for others. This breed is the PERFECT example. There are several issues with a bulldog which would be considered a problem in another breed, that are NORMAL for a bulldog. So the question with a bulldog is not whether it is there, but how severe. Like the fact that most bulldogs have hip dysplasia at birth by their very nature. It is in their build. A good breeder knows this, and will inform you to be very careful of what you feed, and to limit things like jumping and such, ESPECIALLY during the growth period so as not to aggrivate the issue. So, we need to make sure our vets are familiar with all our breeds ins and outs, so they may more effectively advise us and help us care for our pets, and most especially that WE are aware. We need to make sure we can meet our pets needs as well, and that we are being realistic in our expectations before we take on the responsibility of another life who HAS to depend on us for all their basic needs, and can not even tell us what they are in words. This is not the only issue with bulldogs, but it is shamefully little known. If you only expect to pay for basic needs, and vaccinations and wormings, and spay and neuter, you are probably not ready for a puppy. If you can not afford to pay for these things (not just the basics) you are probably not ready for a puppy. Not every medical issue is related to poor husbandry or bad breeding like we would like to try to make it seem alot of the time. They are living things, just like us. And if we were more informed and reasonable about such things, we would be alot happier.
Always read your contract. When you read it, do not look at it with the eye of an ecstatic new parent who expects no problems, look at it with the eye of someone who actually has a problem. Is it good enough for you now? That is most likely to be your answer and recourse IF there is a problem, and yes it happens sometimes, no matter how healthy the parents or the line is. No matter how much testing was done. We can not prevent or predict nature sometimes no matter how hard we try. If there is no contract cause they've never had a problem, don't expect one? RUN the other way. A breeder who can't or won't guarantee there will never be a problem is an HONEST breeder most of the time. I think that'll do for now :-).
To the OP, I am curious about your contract, the exact wording in the emails, and where she is residing now? I am REALLY wanting to cipher some things out here, but with so many reports it can get confusing. *just my opinions*
Submitted: Saturday, January 24, 2009
Posted: Saturday, January 24, 2009
Ronda
Joplin
U.S.A.
Hey there is another complaint on this monster puppy/mill breeder over on http://www.complaintsboard.com/complaints/88004/page/137 the girls over there could use some support from others that have been wronged by Robin....but be warned she is phsyco and will try to the worst of her ability to discredit any report that is given by pretending to be loads of other people and as such the girls on there are Leary of new posts.Robin is a total nut job and needs to be shut down these poor animals dont need to suffer at her hands any longer.Fyi I may haven't bought a puppy from her but I am a dog owner and consider any pet as an equal part of the family structure and should never have to needlessly suffer like all of Robins puppy's seem too
Submitted: Saturday, January 24, 2009
Posted: Saturday, January 24, 2009
Devilsadvocate4education*just My Opinions*
Las Vegas
U.S.A.
Please look up the current state laws before proceeding with anything. Not a lawyer, I just do alot of research, LOL.
SOME NEW YORK LEMON LAWS AND DEFINITIONS THAT I FOUND - violations can also be reported to the New York department of agriculture and markets I think.
*Pet dealer: any person, firm, partnership, corporation, or other association which engages in the sale of more than 9 animals per year for profit to the public. Includes breeders who sell animals directly to the consumer. (752)
*Pet dealers must have dogs examined by vet prior to selling the animal. Vaccinations must be provided in accordance with law. Vet care must be provided “without undue delay” when necessary. (Penalty: license revocation) 753-a,755,401)
*Pet dealers must give purchasers of cats or dogs a written paper that provides specific info, including the animal's health history, health status, and ownership history. (Penalty: license revocation) (753-b, 755)
*Pet dealers must give purchasers of cats and dogs a written paper advocating spay/neuter. (Penalty: license revocation) (755)
*Pet dealers must post a consumers' remedies sign in a visible location. They must give a written paper to buyers of cats and dogs stating the consumer remedies. (754) - wonder if this includes websites - at this point you can also look up general business law number 752
*Pet dealers are prohibited from knowingly selling kittens or puppies younger than 8 weeks old. (Penalty: license revocation, and $50-$1,000 fine) (402,406)
*License required for pet dealers. (403,404) - Is she licensed?There are certainly 9 people a year I think
*Pet dealers must keep specific records for each animal, including the ownership history. Records must be kept for 2 years. (Penalty: license revocation, and $50-$1,000 fine) (402, 406)
*Pet dealer records are subject to inspection. ( 402)
*Consumer Affairs Dept, Agriculture Dept and local agencies have enforcement authority. (406, 405)
That's some of them, there has to be SOMETHING in there I would think. Especially with so many people out there, with so many stories, and the other site allows for emails I think. I found A site of hers I think, and it does not mention AKC, but there may be laws regarding registration and what information MUST be given with an animal. I would think that life for a breeder not following even some of these guidelines could be made to be VERY difficult. People just aren't always aware of what to do :-). Good luck.