Submitted: Saturday, October 04, 2003
Posted: Saturday, October 04, 2003
Joseph Jr
Berkeley
U.S.A.
In spite of the unsolicited BOGUS information volunteered by the Wicked Witch of Witchita, who vaults all about this site posting apologies and excuses for shysterism, I've been ACCURATELY AND CORRECTLY informed to file a complaint against First Premier Bank with the Federal Reserve System--of which it's a corrupt member:
Board of Governors
Federal Reserve System
DCCA
20th & C Streets, NW, Stop 801
Washington, DC 20551
(202)452-3000
www.federalreserve.gov
Please share this with all fellow consumers RIPPED OFF by First Premier Bank! Thanks!
Submitted: Saturday, November 12, 2005
Posted: Saturday, November 12, 2005
John
Gainesville
U.S.A.
I have other issues with First Premier Bank myself, and I am currently seeking Federal and State investigation to resolve them. However, I do know that, at least currently, First Premier Bank offers you the chance to cancel any offer of Credit within 30 days. If this offer was in effect at the time you opened the account and your letter was postmarked within 30 days, then you should be allowed to cancel and all administrative fees reversed.
JD in FL
Submitted: Monday, December 15, 2003
Posted: Monday, December 15, 2003
Joseph Jr
Berkeley
U.S.A.
Confronted with a factual complaint posted to the Federal Reserve System, functionaries for First Premier Bank readily admitted that my wife, even as a designated card-holder, was NOT legally liable or responsible in any way shape or form for any debt incurred by issuance in my name of a credit card fraudulently promoted by this shyster company.
Further, the responding functionaries wrote off completely the fraudulent administrative fees which I had rightly refused to ever pay, rightly reducing the fraudulent account balance to ZERO. So, in spite of deliberate misinformation perpetuated by shyster-apologists like Drippy Jeff from Watertown and the Wicked Witch of Withita, let this incident of defeated fraud be an object lesson for both conscientious consusmers and shyster companies alike: shyster-defiant consumers can and should outright REFUSE to ever pay fraudulent fees inflicted by shyster-plotting companies which likewise, in their turn, must and shall learn in the end to: READ AND COMPREHEND!
When shyster functionaries are on the up and up and play fair IN THE FIRST PLACE, the need for the whole rigmarole of complaints and redress is automatically done away with! READ AND COMPREHEND!
Submitted: Wednesday, December 17, 2003
Posted: Thursday, December 18, 2003
Ann
W. Palm Beach
U.S.A.
Now first of all Mr. Berkeley, I know you are upset but please let's remain adults and not call people names here that are only trying to make a comment. Whether you agree with it or not, whether it's the truth or not, don't be such a big baby. I actually found your report kind of humorous and a little embarrassed for you. I know for a fact that FPB does have all their fees disclosed on every one of their apps. It also states that if you wish to have an authorized user that it will also help their credit as well, assuming that you would pay. So when you decided not to read that app where it did state you will be liable for fees once you use acct. This is not a fraud statement on your wife's acct. Your the one that hurt it because you chose not to read. Now please don't play the victim here. I guess your statement proves that if you whine and cry enough eventually you will get your way. But you could of avoided all that frustration and stress by just reading before you sign anything. Take responsibility. By the way Mr. Barfley, or I'm sorry, Barkeley, they did not ignore your request to close the account. It may have took 8 days because YOU ARE NOT THE ONLY PIECE OF MAIL THEY RECEIVE IN A DAY.
Submitted: Thursday, December 18, 2003
Posted: Thursday, December 18, 2003
Joseph Jr
Berkeley
U.S.A.
Now first off, Ms. Palm Beach, I know by your ruffled feathers that you must be a frustrated old bitty in the extreme, but don't presume to preach to me not to name-call while referring to me in the same hypocritical breath as "Mr. Barfley" and such. Let's remain "adults," you suggest? That's rich coming from somebody writing with all the incoherence of a romper room brat! So don't be such a diehard fuddy-duddy old fogy! Am I "upset?" Hardly. ECSTATIC is the correct adjective describing my disposition. And if you want to "actually" discover something "humorous," then you should "actually" feel MIGHTILY "embarrassed" not for me but for YOURSELF--another LOSER apologist attempting in vain to whitewash a LOSING proposition(deceptive and fraudulent solicitations propagated by First Premier Bank)! Retreating behind fine-print "disclosure" terms like a maggot beneath rotting boards is NOT a demonstration of TRUTH in either advertising or lending--assuming you're capable of grasping those concepts--so sell your BOGUS arguments to the gullible. Nobody's buying them here. Besides, an "app"(application)does NOT constitute a CONTRACT(which I neither agreed to or signed)and makes me "liable" for NOTHING(much less "fees"). What I'm playing here, then, is not the "victim" but rather the VICTOR--and that, Ms. Palm Beach, doesn't "hurt" me in the slightest! And there's no "guess"-ing about it! My report "proves" well enough that if conscientious consumers do properly protest persistently enough then consumer JUSTICE does indeed prevail and "get(its)way!" And for that, Ms. Palm Beach, I LAUGH AND LEAP FOR JOY! So don't presume to tell me how I feel or how to deal with shysters--or their apologists. I've enjoyed not "frustration and stress" but only the richest relish and gratification from putting these shysters in their proper place! Don't presume to preach to me to "take responsibility" either--unless you'd care to talk CORPORATE responsibility. What's stopping these shysters from publishing their extortionate "fees" in BOLD PRINT on those "apps" RIGHT ALONGSIDE those low-interest come-ons exploited to bait and trap unsuspecting consumers???? Yes, corporate shysters must learn to take "RESPONSIBILITY" for their FRAUDULENT DECEPTIONS indeed! As I repeatedly advise: READ AND COMPREHEND. By the by, Ms. Palm Beach, or I'm SO sorry, Ms. Balmy Beach, mine may not be the "only piece of mail they receive in a week" but it just may be the most RESPONSIBLY DISCIPLINARY piece they receive! And that you can take directly and promptly to your nearest First Premier Bank!
Submitted: Monday, February 23, 2004
Posted: Tuesday, February 24, 2004
Brian
Lexington
U.S.A.
First, let me say that I have a First Premier Mastercard and I have never had any problems with them. It seems that almost all the complaints on here are a result of the same thing. People do not read the application before they submit it.
When you wrote, "What's stopping these shysters from publishing their extortionate “fees” in BOLD PRINT on those “apps” RIGHT ALONGSIDE those low-interest come-ons ….." it made me curious. So with a simple click of the mouse I went on to First Security's web site and pulled up an application and WHAT DO YOU KNOW? right there in extremely bold and large print was:
Annual Percentage Rate for Purchases
9.9%
Annual Percentage Rate for Cash Advances APR for Cash Advances 23.9% and Penalty APR 23.9% for Purchases.
See Penalty Explanation below
1. Fees for Issuance or Availability of Credit
Account Set-Up Fee: $29.00 (one-time fee)
Program Fee: $95.00 (one-time fee)
Annual Fee: $48.00
Participation Fee: $72.00 Annually++
Additional Card Fee: $20.00 Annually
I did not copy the entire disclosure, but I think this proves my point that most problems can be prevented by educating yourself before acting.
As far as your "victory" in getting your fees credited, it just goes to show that if you scream loud enough, long enough, you can usually get your way. Even if you are wrong.
Submitted: Tuesday, February 24, 2004
Posted: Tuesday, February 24, 2004
Steve
Los Angeles
U.S.A.
The problem is once you put your wife on as an auth user on your account the credit history is transfered to her credit also. In a reverse situation, if she has great credit and you have poor credit and she added you onto one of her cards that she has had for 10 years with perfect history, that would transfer to your CBR files and show as a positive to you.
Your best bet is to have the verify all debts and if valid to pay the fees. If it's with a CA (Collection Agency) then throw a validation letter to them. Check out a couple a sites on the web about credit deletions and you should find all the info needed.
I feel for you and her, but your kind of between a rock and a hard place.
Submitted: Tuesday, February 24, 2004
Posted: Tuesday, February 24, 2004
Joseph Jr
Berkeley
U.S.A.
This ed-u-kated EGGHEAD(that's just slang for scholar)presumes to preach to everybody to ed-u-kate themselves before "acting" but notice the obvious: he fails to demonstrate that First Premier(he's so ed-u-kated he refers to First "Security")publishes its exorbitant and extortionate terms PROMINENTLY--NOT on a website--but on its bulk mail solicitations RIGHT NEXT TO ITS low-interest come-on!
Yes, he's so ed-u-kated that he actually BOASTS about experiencing no "problems" with his marvelous and wonderful First Premier charge card--boasting in effect that he's been SUCKERED into regularly PAYING those exobritant and extortionate interest rates! T
hat's what WE find to be the most "humorous"--how the truly ed-u-kated can become a LIVING, BREATHING, WALKING JOKE!!!!
Yes, WE who remain TRIUMPHANT AND VICTORIOUS IN REFUSING TO BE SUCKERED, oh yes, we're the stupid and UNED-U-KATED ones!
You know, Brian, you go right ahead demonstrating how ed-u-kated and superior you are by STUPIDLY paying out those exorbitant and extortionate interest payments while we'll remain in turn blessedly and gratefully ever in the "wrong." Yes, you're a real GENIUS--an astute and brilliant scholar PAR EXCELLENCE!
Squander on, Scholar, Squander On! We'll keep our money to spend on less ed-u-kated things, thank you very much!
Submitted: Wednesday, February 25, 2004
Posted: Wednesday, February 25, 2004
Joseph Jr
Berkeley
U.S.A.
No need to feel for us, Steve, but thanks for your commiseration: the proper government regulatory agency was solicited to intervene, First Premier was compelled to admit its culpability in the matter, it was determined that being designated as an "authorized user" of a credit card does NOT make that user liable for ANY of the debt incurred by the credit card holder(that's a FALLACY which you should REFRAIN from fostering further), and ALL adverse information has been justly and rightly REMOVED from my wife's credit record. So EVERYBODY should start getting their FACTS straight before disseminating false information and BOGUS advice!
Submitted: Wednesday, February 25, 2004
Posted: Wednesday, February 25, 2004
Brian
Lexington
U.S.A.
I guess I really struck a nerve. Looks like somebody has real self-esteem and anger management issues. No wonder they paid you off to shut up and leave them alone.
If you must know, I signed up for this card because I damaged my credit in my not so responsible college years and I feel that the "exorbitant" (notice correct spelling) fees associated with this card are well worth it to re-build my credit. Also, this may come as a surprise to you, if you pay off the balance every month you don't pay interest!
As soon as I have built up my credit and can get a card with a lower rate and no annual fee, I will get rid of this card. That is what First Premier is, a bank offering high interest cards to people who wish to re-build their credit. If you did not know this, again I say you did not read their literature and the reason you are so hostile and bitter is that you are feeling a little bit like a fool and you are trying to deflect attention from the fact that you did not educate yourself before you acted.
Back to you Joseph. BLAST AWAY AND CALL ME NAMES! That seems to be your way of settling disputes. Quite juvenile if you ask me.
Submitted: Sunday, February 29, 2004
Posted: Sunday, February 29, 2004
Brian
Lexington
U.S.A.
OK, Last Time ..I must admit, Joseph, that this sparring match has been entertaining. I have never written comments on one of these message boards before, but the experience has been enjoyable.
Just a few final comments and I will leave you alone. I'm sure you are glad to hear that!
Yes, I do pay off my balance every month. With a credit limit of a whopping $350.00 it's not that much of a challenge. I pay my utilities with the card and pay off the balance when it is due.
I am, however, still confused at your repeated reference to "hidden, bogus, shyster rip-off fees". After the initial account set-up fees, which I again stress are printed in the disclosures on the application, I only pay a $69.00 annual fee. THATS IT, nothing else, nothing hidden, no surprises. I am glad to pay this trifling amount for the privelidge of re-building my credit.
What does baffle me though is this: Let's pretend the fees and disclosures were not printed on your application or they were strategically "hidden" by First Premier in an attempt to trick you.
If this was the case, as you contend in your previous posts, why in the world would you submit an application for a credit card without having seen any listing of the card's fees and terms?
I am sorry your experience with First Premier was a negative one. But, I still stand by what I said in my original post. You must accept some responsibility for the situation because you obviously did not take the time to read the application, and if you did read it and there was no listing of fees and terms you shouldn't have sent in the application.
Lastly, I find it amazing that you can refer to my last post as an "infantile tantrum and tirade". I have never taken a hostile tone, as you have, I have not spoken in derogatory terms about anyone else, as you have, and I have not called you or anyone else names.
It seems to me that you did not post on this website to hear others opinions and ideas about your situation, but only to see your rantings posted on a website and how dare anyone interfere with this ego trip by actually responding.
That is all. I am spent. Farewell and good luck.
Submitted: Sunday, February 29, 2004
Posted: Sunday, February 29, 2004
JJoseph Jr
Berkeley
U.S.A.
Oh yes, Brian, my nerve has been struck and I've been cut to the quick--so severely that, quite unlike you(superior scholar that you are)I've managed to maintain enough "self-esteem" to outright REFUSE to let myself get SUCKERED ROYALLY into paying RIPOFF FEES AND INTEREST just to "rebuild" credit in the first place.
If you were truly so supremely ed-u-kat-ed then you might've thought to look for low-screened, low-interest methods of rebuilding your irresponsibly damaged credit.
You've still got it all quite arse-backwards though: THEY were COMPELLED TO CAPITUALTE and pay me off, THEY were COMPELLED TO "SHUT UP"(and STOP billing me for ripoff fees and interest), THEY were COMPELLED to leave ME alone--NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND. That's my way of settling THIS dispute, indeed! So get and keep your FACTS STRAIGHT.
So no, we mustn't "know," nor did we even ask to "know" about your sordid credit history and can only hope and pray that you keep it to yourself in future; and we just bet that you're paying off that overcharged balance each and every month interest-fee. Yeah, right, Brian--try selling it to the gullible!
Far from feeling "hostile and bitter," to reiterate, I'm utterly ECSTATIC that rightness and justness prevailed in the matter--as well as any conscientious consumer would and SHOULD! Rapture, not anger, is the only reaction requiring management here, Brian, and we don't mind that IN THE LEAST!
Now, if anyone's "feeling a bit like a fool(what was that about "juvenile" name-calling, Brian?)," it must be YOU for so stubbornly trying to defend the indefensible: EX-OR'BI-TANT(sorry for that typo before, Professor)RIPOFF FEES HIDDEN BENEATH SHYSTER SCAMS--doubtless because you're fruitlessly "trying to deflect attention from that fact" that you've CONTINUED to let yourself be SUCKERED so GULLIBLY! We can only send you our deepest sympathy and condolences.
As for calling you names, there's doubtless absolutely none we could add that won't already automatically come to anyone's mind once they read your latest infantile tantrum and tirade. So whine on, scholar, whine on!
Submitted: Sunday, February 29, 2004
Posted: Sunday, February 29, 2004
Christopher
Kingston
U.S.A.
I have had a Visa w/ First Premier for about 8 years.
They gave me a ($500 limit) credit card when nobody else would, unsecured, for $60 a year annual fee (billed $5 monthly) at a reasonable interest rate (18.99%) for someone with a credit score of 600.
Now, over these many years, I have a $2500 credit line, and my interest rate has been lowered 3 times! (now at 11.99%) The annual fee is still $60 a year annual fee (billed $5 monthly).
I have had to contact FP many times over the years, and their customer service has always been 1st rate. I've never had a "questionable" charge from them, and they have gone to bat for me and got my money back from disreputable merchants.
You may have had a bad experience with them, but I'm sticking with them. They have done right by me.
Submitted: Monday, March 01, 2004
Posted: Monday, March 01, 2004
Joseph Jr
Berkeley
U.S.A.
This "sparring" message board, as you misname it, was never meant for your personal enjoyment or entertainment. It's intended instead to document SERIOUS complaints and hopefully problem RESOLUTIONS. So I'm "glad to hear" nothing--I'm fully ready and able to join issue with you or anyone, anytime.
Granted, you're "confused," Brian, speaking of the patently "obvious." But no REPUTABLE credit grantor charges credit card applicants upwards of $200 in "set-up fees" or an exorbitant amount equivalent to the actual credit line being offered IN THE FIRST PLACE.
Other REPUTABLE credit grantors charge "annual fees" HALF of that which you're so educatedly paying--or even NO ANNUAL FEE AT ALL. Have you educatedly searched for them?
You misrepresent further(perhaps you have a vested interest in this shyster company): the single-sheet bulk-mail solicitation("application")prominently displays its low-interest bait-trap. Contrary to TRUTH-IN-LENDING, its ripoff fees(NOT prominently displayed)lay hidden indeed in those fine-print "disclosure" terms like those proverbial maggots beneath rotten boards--there's no "pretend" about it!
So why simply "submit an application," you so DUMB(founded)ly ask? First, because a simple application isn't a CONTRACT to pay ripoff fees. Second, because such hidden fees deviate DRASTICALLY from RESPECTABLE standard credit industry practice, CONTRARY to what ANY conscientious consumer would or should REASONABLY expect.
Perhaps you feel less "baffled" though more ineffectual now that you've roundly FAILED to stump the band with your self-defeating rhetorical question. Try, try again.
So, no, I "must" accept NO "responsibility" beyond that which I MYSELF(not you or anyone else)deem appropriate: PROFITABLY putting these shysters in their proper place.
Don't presume, then, to preach to me or any other unsuspecting consumer about what they did(or didn't)"take the time to read" or when they should(or shouldn't)submit a credit APPLICATION, since the simple fact of the matter is, simply submitting an application DOES NOT CONSTITUTE A CONTRACT, and DOES NOT AUTOMATICALLY OR NECESSARILY OBLIGE said consumer to ACCEPT the application's patently questionable terms and conditions--fine-print, hidden or OTHERWISE. THAT's why. Get it now, Professor?
The "tone" you've taken has been condescending, pompous, preachy--and, finally, WHIMPERING--but I can't help it if you can't stand or can't take being taken issue WITH, strenuously. So if you can't take the heat in the free-speech kitchen then it's probably best that you get and stay out of it altogether.
This site isn't meant for duly complaining and reporting consumers to "hear" or even listen to misinformed "opinions" or presumptuous bogus advice solely for the sake of your self-aggrandizement, Brian. Quite the contrary, it's meant to resolve serious problems with practical and effective SOLUTIONS--NOT the coddling of BRUISED EGOS.
What's most "amazing" is how you so stubbornly persist in painting a blatant SUCKER'S CON-JOB, and your continued voluntary and willing DUPED participation in it, as some blessed BOON to credit-challenged consumers! I strongly suspect, then, that you were well "spent" before you ever got started.
Submitted: Tuesday, March 02, 2004
Posted: Tuesday, March 02, 2004
Steve
Los Angeles
U.S.A.
You really need some anger help!! I suggest a long session of therapy for bashing everyone that has tried to help you in this matter.
Submitted: Thursday, March 04, 2004
Posted: Thursday, March 04, 2004
Joseph Jr
Berkeley
U.S.A.
Steve, no one "bashed" any of the crybabies whining here the loudest! No one asked for nor needs unsolicited and ill-advised "help" from over-presumptuous busybodies which has amounted mostly to ill-informed commentary and BOGUS advice.
As my posting has made perfectly clear for any amongst those literate enough to read perfectly plain English, my "matter," as you call it, has long since been EFFECTIVELY RESOLVED BY CORRECT AND EFFECTIVE ACTION--NOT by perpetual WHINING.
Its purpose for any amongst those literate enough to read it has been to correctly INFORM those facing similar difficulties how to best to RESOLVE same. So save your inept "help" for those who ASK for it.
Just as I advise deliberately illiterate shysters I likewise advise deliberately ignorant meddlers: learn to READ AND COMPREHEND.
So if I need anger "therapy"(I don't see the point since, to repeat once more for the illiterate, I'm ECSTATIC at how my "matter" turned out)then certain amongst ignorant meddlers posting here sorely need to promptly enroll in REMEDIAL READING therapy! Now get to it or try to MIS-inform somebody else. I, for one, remain cooly DIS-interested in ignorant propaganda.
Submitted: Wednesday, September 24, 2003
Posted: Wednesday, September 24, 2003
Jeff
Watertown
U.S.A.
You'll want to check the California states laws because you live in 1 of 4 Community Property states. Requardless of spotless credit card payments, late mortgages, or timely car payments, they are all reflected on your spouses credit bureau report (whether they are listed or not on the account). Better blame California for that one.
Within your complaint #1 you wrote that you applied for the credit card. ALL credit cards have a disclosure of the fees and a contract that you sign while applying for the credit card. If you don't believe in the disclosure go to www.bbb.org and search for First Premier Bank, they even have the HIDDEN fees (as you call it) on there website.
Along with the discloure is also a contract that states the TERMS of the credit card. That's where reading comes in handy. What credit card co. or bank would give a loan without having a contract?
Within the contract it does state that upon usage of the credit card you are fully liable for all fees/charges AND the fees were disclosed during your application. If you don't think so call the company, the numbers on back of your credit card and request a copy.
If all it took is a certified letter to close out a balance of a loan and have it'll be wiped away, then I'll be writing my mortgage company ASAP. If you wreck your car, do you still owe the bank for the note?? Of course, why wouldn't you be liable for all the late/overlimit fees, it is your RESPONSIBILITY to maintain the account after signing the contract.
Fact of the matter is refusal to pay will do nothing but hurt BOTH of your credit worse. Along with all banking instiutions they are regulated by the Federal Government and periodically audited. First Premier Bank is a sub-prime lender and the credit card purpose is for credit building purposes (when used properly). If you already have good credit then a Prime lender is probably what you need.
Submitted: Thursday, September 25, 2003
Posted: Thursday, September 25, 2003
Krista
Wichita
U.S.A.
Individual Account: Your income, assets, and credit history are considered by the creditor. Whether you are married or single, you alone are responsible for paying off the debt. The account will appear on your credit report, and may appear on the credit report of any "authorized" user. HOWEVER, if you live in a community property state (Arizona, CALIFORNIA, Idaho, Louisiana, Nevada, New Mexico, Texas, Washington, or Wisconsin, etc.), you and your spouse may be responsible for debts incurred during the marriage, AND the individual debts of one spouse MAY appear on the credit report of the other.