Folkner Danes Kim Folkner Don't meet the demands of this breeder......well, read what she'll do! Checotah, Oklahoma

It sounds to me that you're over-reacting a little bit. All she wanted was an update. As beeders we also have lives that are very busy, we can't call EVERY family all the time. This was very un-nessesary.

I don't see why you are bashing this good breeders name! All she wanted was pictures and updates of HER puppy! She did breed the dog. As a breeder, myself. I require updates and pictures of my babies as they grow. and a lethal white is common! Do your research. If you didn't like this breeder, why buy from her again? Why not go and save a dane. Oh, thats right, No one will let you take one! You are crazy and a fool! As all reputable breeders do, NO pup is allowed to leave until 8 weeks of age, CONSIDER YOUR SELF LUCKY AND BLESSED THAT YOU EVEN GOT THAT DOG. And just to let you know, I am sure if you even told this breeder that  "the transaction on very unpleasant terms & to never contact me again." She would have NEVER let you leave with that puppy. Stop slandering good breeders names and grow up!

She health screens her dogs, shes spends thousands ensuring you get YOUR ULTIMATE BEST FRIEND, and all she asks in return is updates. Her, myself and all other breeders I care to associate with ask the same thing! We WANT to know where our pups are, how thier health and temperment are, this ENSURES we can continue improving a line. If we dont get these valuable updates how are we to discern if one litter/breeding is more supurb than the other.

You need to understand that just because she didnt contact you for a year doesn't mean she doesn't care. Its YOUR responsibility ( as per contract) to ensure you keep in touch. And as far as her owning the dog the may.....I own ALL mine for this reason exactly.

"fatal whites" are anything but fatal and are unfortunately a risk with ANY Harlequin+Harlequin breeding OR merle to harlequin breeding. ANYONE who has gone through breeding harls knows fatal whites are a possibility...they aren't frequent. SO its not her irresponsible breeding. Could happen to anyone.Her only flaw was giving her to a person like you!! Who do you think you are????

With her line and her reputation you may as well b**ch at ford cuz your car had a leak in the gas line. and your insurance didn't cover it!!!

GET OVER IT!! She just wants to know how her baby is....we get an attachment when we catch them wth out hands and hand raise them. HOw hard is it to humor her and send her some info.....I'll bet its alot less than the effort it took to type up this huge slanderous peice of garbage!!!!

You're a CRAPPY owner, and if thier was a site like this for "sellers beware" you would be on it!!!

GROW UP,  send her some pics.

FOR the specs....she does it all right, shes a great breeder and her lines are immaculate. This woman is OUT OF LINE!!! altogether.

I am sorry to be on here having to waste my time and yours writting this rebuttal...I have bought a puppy from Kim at Folkner Danes and have plans to do so again my baby from her is fantastic I talk to Kim on a regular bases and send her pictures of him any chance I get all she wants to do is make sure the baby is healthy and doing great I see no reason why someone would object so strongly to this...In Kims contract she has a health guarantee up to a year that would also be a good reason to wait to contact you to make sure all is good and you haven't had any medical issues that she may need to be aware of...When choosing your baby you knew she was going to be blind and deaf usually those puppies are given to carefully choosen homes so if Kim thought you were special enough to get her now she is probably seeing era in her ways...In a litter that is younger than 8  weeks old and one is sick the breeder has to determine what the cause was and if that delays you getting your baby of course you would be upset but you should understand that she doesn't want you to take home a sick baby but a healthy one...It is within your right not to buy from Folkner Danes but it will be your loss...But it has been my experience breeding Danes that usually a person goes to this much trouble over a picture is usually hiding something..We are all adults Iam assuming maybe we need to act like it....This is nothing but slander

Why would you put someone on a "rip off report" when they did not rip you off if you have a problem don't ever buy nor speak to them better yet give her the dogs back. You have mental issues you know you just sounded STUPID! She cares about her pup wow throw a fit like a baby grow up. Tell us why your emails are not included in her above statement????? Why not give pictures???? something to hid???? A good breeder cares where their offspring goes. If you think she is crazy why buy two dogs from her all you are is harassing the breeder, do you have a hard on for her? Tell me how old was the dog in ? when you felt you had to have her over the better judgment of her breeder, do you think you are high and mighty above others.

In the 2nd email it sounds like she had to defend herself I would like to know what you said to her??

Why be chicken Crap! and not post your name???? or your contact info I would like to tell you what i think of you.

I will deal with this breeder in the present and future!!!! You need to find Jesus! I will pray for you!

It's NOT the fact that she wanted an update that's the big deal.  Go re-read the report.

I gave her an update.....told her that Hope was fine, but didn't WANT to take the time to send someone whom is so very hostile a photo.  So, breeder person, us as BUYERS(that means paying with our own money) have the right to respond to your request or NOT.  Being that this person is so hostile, I chose NOT to provide any other info.  It's our CHOICE.  I wasn't hostile in my response.  I gave her an update, reminded her of the unpleasant terms that we left on & asked her NOT to contact me again.  The problem "meathead" is the response that I'm quite sure most NORMAL breeders would NOT send, which, as a reminder to you was........

YOU ARE ONE PATHETIC WOMAN!!! I will tell everyone I know not to ever sell to u no owner why ur husband left your a physic witch!!! U r lucky I.gave that dog to you if it.was my decision she would be in another home. You knew my.requirements
but good luck I have ur contact info I will spread threw the internet. NOTE.... DO NOT CONTACT ME AGAIN

Now, if you're normal, do you really think that the response above is appropriate?
Also, I would hope that having a business, that you could at least know how to spell & put a sentence together.  Otherwise, not only will you look like your a nut, but an uneducated one at that!

Oh my gosh, you need some good meds.  This is either Kim the breeder, her husband, or some friend of hers. I think I'll take my chances at this being Kim. This rebuttal has so many sentences in it that have been in your e-mails.  I doubt that would be a coincidence.  You should be an entertainer instead of a breeder lady. 

Okay, I'll play......let's pretend that your not you.

First, I'm NOT bashing the breeder, she is doing a very fine job of doing that all on her own.  I just simply posted her insane, hostile response to not complying fully with her request.  I find the response that I received was something that I think ALL buyers should be aware of from this breeder.  Btw, when she(or you Kim), posted my info on facebook today thinking you were damaging me.....well, as you know, it was again you digging yourself into one great big hole.  I received over a dozen e-mails that were not only agreeing that you have some severe anger issues, but also about the quality of your pups.  Some even had a similar response from you(.....oops, I mean her) as I did.

Now, on the "lethal white" issue as you asking me to go read about this issue because it's.....what? normal?  common?  Here....straight from the lethal white section of your breeders guide.....ENJOY!

The beautiful marble coat of Australian Shepherds (and many other breeds including Collies, Australian Cattle Dogs, Great Dane, and others) is the result of unique genetics. These lovely merles, when bred together, as in merle to merle breedings (both parents are merles) can typically result in a homozygous gene pairing that will effect 25% (one out of four) of the offspring having issues with sight and/or hearing. For irresponsible breeders, the rewards can be notable. When breeding a solid colored dog of one of these breeds to a merle dog of the same breed, they will likely not have a litter of all merles. As the merle coat pattern is considered especially beautiful and desirable, many breeders charge more for these coats.
Taking the chance of having a few defective puppies in order to have a litter of all merles, seems to be worth the risk to them. The most irresponsible may even sell their "defective puppies." Also ,Black, Blue,  Harlequin, Mantle, Fawn and
Brindle.  There are many other colors that danes CAN come in.  Some are commonly found in conventional breedings( Merle, Piebald) and others are caused through irresponsible or intentionally crossing color families (like this blue-fawn). Dane breeding should be thought of as "families" of colors.  There is the Fawn/ Brindle family, The Black/ Blue family and the Harlequin/ Mantle family.  With in these families it is acceptable to breed to each other ( Fawn to Fawn, Mantle to Harlequin, Blue to Blue. . . )  It is less acceptable to cross the family colors in to what is refereed to as "cross color breeding".
D.Dog is much more comfortable with the position that such breedings are incredibly irresponsible for a number of reasons. While the ASCA and other effected clubs may choose a similar position.

Now, with a little education under your belt. I'll again ask, is a pure white baby born blind & deaf NORMAL or COMMON?

One more thing, there are a few comments in your rebuttal that ONLY you(Kim) would know or someone that you put up to to file a rebuttal.  But, then again to repeat myself, too many comments in your rebuttal that have been the exact wording in your e-mails.

I will step up to the plate, I commend you for spelling correctly & putting your sentences together properly!  But, I'm sure since this has spell check, that helped you out tremendously!

Oh, your LAME comment.....go save a dane....oh you can't because no one will give you one....just typical of your mentality......kindergarten style!

Lady, If you really want to know who this is, Why don't you email me? Here is my email. reawoken_1990@yahoo.com. I have had this account for years! Please, feel free to email me. What a moron. Do you really think Kim would waste her time to write you? By the way, There is no spell check. Tsk Tsk. Lady, Why don't you post your name in any of your messages? Are you too chicken shit? No She has not put me up to anything. I make my own choices. Slandering someone's name isn't going to get you any where. And the "save a dane" comment was from me. You are a S T A L K E R. Do you really have to check her facebook to see what she say's about you? Well then if so, I am sure you saw a lot of comments about you.By the way,  None of them were good. AND if you say SO many people contacted you, PLEASE share their emails!! Would be nice to see if you are even telling the truth!

I do plan on buying from Kim in the future! Thanks for the website!:) You technically directed me to her! LMAO. Free advertisement? haha. You  really need to leave the situation alone. Grow up. Aren't we all supposed to be adults? You have the mind of a teenager. As I said before, ALL REPUTABLE breeders require a contract that states that she gets pictures and updates when they ask for them. You should really research MichaelDanes. They breed merles, and whites. And They have been breeding for YEARS!!!! They are REPUTABLE Breeders that show their dogs!! Yes, and white can be born from a merlexmerle breeding, or a harlxharl. But not all white danes are blind/and or deaf!


Oh and "meathead" I applaud your comments!! Well said! Also, If I may add, if I don't receive an email from you. It will just prove me right that you have NO proof and that you are CHICKEN SHIT

You know what Marian you are a sad woman! Don't have the balls to show your name just hid behind a computer and use FAKE names and FAKE emails. I is sad I have to take time out to rebuttal I do not have time for this do you know that you are on "Ripoff Report" a simple GOOGLE will give you the definition on what this site is for, not to smear someone's good name simply because you are immature "I don't like her but I bought 2 dogs from her" Come on LADY!

Why lie! no puppies died, one ate a toxic substance and was rushed to the VET I spend hundreds of dollars on that puppy within 2 days he was healthy and feeling better and Vet checked 2x's as well as the whole litter God forbid i make sure you dont get a sick pup now tell them the real reason you wanted HOPE at 6wks of age you knew my requirements you threw a fit simply because I said NO she will not leave no earlier than Monday and last i remember we were going to drive a 3hr round trip to bring the pup to you (which its your responsiability as a dog owner to go and meet the breeder and their Danes. Now that's beside the point! You wanted hope cuse you though there was going to be a snow storm or ice storm and when i looked at the weather no such thing i said sorry no and if we do get bad weather she will be here a tad longer but Noooo you wouldn't have that "I quote I am her MOTHER" I said No my dog Patches is her Mother then the hateful emails came about. I called you if you recall and you cried, wined, and pleaded please please let me have her I love her already sad sad sad bull crap story and yet I fell into it but Thanks to you! I have a tight screening process!!!

I am sorry for doing my duty as a breeder and checking on 2 of our puppies you have, you knew I require pictures and updates who wouldn't. If we were on bad terms would you really believe I would let you have HOPE No think not i would have returned your money. I called you 2 days after you had her you were supose to call me that same day an yet you didn't, but i didn't get a email or phone call from you so I called you 4mo ago and nothing so I decided to email once again asking nicely for updates on the girls and pic's. I was very nice and Kind but the nasty email i recieved from "Hope/Mia mother LOL" was very unpleasent not what she is telling everyone in the world. So yes i got pissed and she sent more hateful emails I stopped replying. And yet 9-27-2011 I recieved 4 emails from her not to mention one the other night. She wants to put a couple emails from me I have hundreds from her.

Sorry hunny my husband don't think much of you to even give a CRAP!

I believe I have a STALKER! Lady am I on your mind all the time??? Are you fachated with me??? I am not perfect I am human I do mis-spell but she is like a dog without a tail that continues to chase her non existant tail her emails and bashing goes in circles.

This person is not only Bashing my name but making herself look stupid! All she does is Lie and the funny thing is I am not the one who is hiding I am who I am I did not come up with screen names just to have a piss n match but I do have a right to defend myself. Why am I on here for her having a hate for me Idk cuse i asked for pictures oooo goodness not that she got a sick and defective dog/dogs or i took her money and ran that is not the case she flat told me she will ruin my dog business look at her character and yet she says I am crazy.

Yours Truely,

Kimberly from "Folkner Danes"

This ripoff report is a ripoff all in its own!

First off, show me what part of the report is slander.....seriously.  There's nothing but pure truth.

 I posted her insane response to me because I was totally in shock that just saying to her that Hope was fine & no I would not take the time to send pics, because unlike your relationship with her, I don't like her.  So had no interest in having any contact with her.  So I simply(didn't object strongly as you put it) asked her not to contact me again & well, go re-read the post.  The wrath of Kimmy hit strongly. Who in their right mind responds to someone over a pic with that much venom?  Very inappropriate.

You have no idea of all of what took place before hand.  Her attitude was unacceptable.  But, the nasty side didn't come out until I had put down my deposit, which would have been lost if I chose not to continue with the transaction. Plus, I had already named her Hope & had my heart set on her. I have another special needs baby & thought it would be nice for her to have a sister that was just like her.  I have a special place in my heart for these babies.

 Also,  I do NOT have a contract with Kim on Hope.  I'd like to see her cough one up....it would be nothing but forgery & bogus.  This was purely a verbal agreement, which was, I saw the pup & bought her.

Something to hide part?.....well, I guess I'll just confess.  Hope is an undercover dog for the CIA, she works in the Canine department.  All pics & detailed information is totally classified.....lol!

Please, don't attempt to make a judgment call when your phone is NOT ringing.

For those of you throwing the term "reputable breeder" around, may I politely ask that you step off of your soap box for a moment to really THINK about what that term means. Reputable breeders of ANY animal, be it dog, cat, horse, or elephant are mainly doing it for ONE reason, and one reason only and that is to BETTER THE STANDARD OF THE BREED. In any animal, there are certain conformation standards and color standards. Reputable breeders search out the the animals that MOST CLOSELY come to those standards, look at their pedigrees, do medical testing to ensure no disease is present, examine the animals temperment, and then and ONLY then put them together and hope for offspring. REPUTABLE BREEDERS ARE IN IT FOR THE BETTERMENT OF THE BREED, NOT TO MAKE MONEY OFF OF THE ANIMALS. It's true that quality bred Great Danes (or any animal) will sell for a pretty penny. But it's because REPUTABLE breeders already have several thousand dollars invested in a litter before a pup ever hits the ground. They are happy when they get a perfect puppy, NOT when they achieve a big paycheck. REPUTABLE BREEDERS are PROUD to put their name on their puppies, they do not threaten people if they tell others how sick their new puppy is.

I have watched Folkner Danes "breeding program" (and I use that term loosely) for over a year now, and in my opinion, they are in it for the money. At one time they (she) had a SOLID WHITE male that she was very anxious to add to her lines. She couldn't WAIT for him to grow up so she could breed him. I don't know why he suddenly disappeared. NO REPUTABLE BREEDER WOULD EVEN THINK OF BREEDING A SOLID WHITE DANE. She calls "Ellie" a "mis-marked mantle female" so she can charge more for her puppies instead of calling her what she really is, a black female. Most REPUTABLE breeders do NOT discard their "breeding stock" when they have outlived their usefulness. They neuter the animal and then keep it as part of their family. Not Folkner Danes. I've seen Bengal cats, Danes, and English Bulldogs all sold to the highest bidder simply because they've outlived her use for them. REPUTABLE BREEDERS do NOT strive to breed NON AKC RECOGNIZED COLORS simply because they are more exotic and will bring a bigger selling price.

REPUTABLE breeders will ALWAYS welcome suggestions, and even constructive criticism on their lines. They do not tell people to "kick rocks" if you don't like what they're doing. That defensive posture from Folkner alone shows that she knows her lines are subject to ridicule. Fawnequins, Merles, and Bluequins are NOT something a reputable breeder strives for. They know that occasionally one of those color pups may hit the ground, but they do not brag about their lines being consistent in those colors. 

Like it or not Folkner, but you are not a reputable breeder. I would consider you a backyard breeder. REPUTABLE BREEDERS strive for AKC STANDARDS, and you don't. What gives me the right to judge your "lines"? I've been doing Dane rescue for YEARS. I HAVE a CORRECTLY marked, conformationally correct Harlequin, and I've actually READ the AKC standards for Great Danes. Have YOU?

Would have addressed this earlier, but have had a family illness.

So, let the fun begin!

Again, Kimmy, you can't put together sentences or spell.  What's so pathetic about not only your blatant lies in your so called rebuttal, but that this has spell check and you still can't spell....lol!

Illiterate psycho, go read the very top of the home page of "Ripoff Report"........first thing said......complaints, reviews & so on are what this forum is for.  Are you so stupid that you actually can't read either?  So, honey(not hunny, the way you spelled it), this is a complaint.  You poor delusional woman, you DON'T have a good name outside of your white trash circle.  I didn't smear your name, YOU DID.  It's been quite entertaining to sit back & watch you dig your own grave. 

First we have your insane response to a simple NO.  Then, you think you're demeaning me with posting my info on facebook & all you did was put my e-mail out there for ALL of the people who've also dealt with your wrath or the poor quality of their pup, to contact me.  As soon as you were aware of this, you immediately removed my info. 

Then you think that having your white trash friends rebuttal, rebuttal, rebuttal on my post, that it would damage me, again, um, no. Just entertained me!  From the way you spell & talk, it's very obvious that they're your FRIENDS or people that are RELATED to you in some manner.......because(or as one of your illiterate people said "cuz" ) all of the postings are trashy, misspellings & immature.

As soon as I told you that the editor of "Ripoff" informed me that the more action that this post receives, the more it keeps me near your homepage for your website.  The report was once on the second page....now, it's right below you, not a place that you as a, what is it?  breeder? would want it to be!  Anyway, low & behold, NOT one rebuttal appeared after that.  AMAZING!

Oh, tell your one friend & well maybe this will help you to, that "Yes" when typing these rebuttals, there is spell check.  Tutorial time, for you & them, spell check is when you misspell a word, a red squiggly line will  show up underneath it.  You then right click on the word & the correct spelling will magically appear.  You click the correct spelling, but here's the tricky part for you guys, it sometimes gives you multiple choice words. Now, that may throw you all, because you may NOT know which one to choose from!

Anyway, there's not been one rebuttal with any substance, except the person that is a Dane rescue, now they told you not only with class, but pure facts & knowledge! 

Now, let's get down to some business.  Your claim that one baby ate a toxic  substance & you spent hundreds of dollars?  First, it was Waffles & you didn't know what was wrong. Second, from the e-mail that I'm going to post, it also states that I asked that you get a parvo test done, which you informed me via phone that it was negative. Well, just read the e-mails below, it says it all. 

Kimmy, if Waffles was the only one sick because of an eaten toxin, why do you state & your circle states, that you were just being a careful breeder by not letting Hope come home a few days early because she could have possibly been sick?  Well, that should have NOT been an issue since you now state that it was an ingested toxin.  Get it people?    So which story is it?  Please do tell! Got caught with your pants down again!

Okay, freak of nature, quoting from your rebuttal, "tell them the real reason you wanted Hope at 6wks of age you knew my requirements (which you claim Kim is a strict no leave at 8 wks), you threw a fit simply because I said  NO she will not leave no earlier than Monday".  Quote, unquote right?  Well, if your pups CAN NOT leave before 8 weeks, Hope was supposedly 6 wks. & you state that she couldn't leave any earlier than Monday.......what exactly does that mean? By Monday or Tuesday she was going to be 8wks old? Lies don't make sense do they?

The e-mails below state NOTHING about age.  It had to do with whether or not Saturday or Monday was more doable for you. You just keep on a digging girlie. I think your now up to your eyeballs in lies.  

The e-mail will also state why I wanted Hope a FEW DAYS  EARLIER & IT WAS NOT WEATHER RELATED!  Gosh, I'm enjoying this, I really want to thank you......you've given me some laughs that I haven't had in a long time.  I've NEVER met or dealt with anyone & I mean anyone as damn STUPID & downright mean as you!

Okay, white trash friends & relatives of this idiot, e-mails proving that she didn't know what wrong with Waffles, that Hope was NOT sick, that age was NOT an issue & that the reason I wanted her was NOT weather related, IT WAS BECAUSE SHE HAD A SICK PUP THAT SHE DIDN'T KNOW WHAT WAS WRONG WITH HIM & REASSURED ME THAT MY BABY WAS NOT SICK, SO I WANTED MY BABY OUT OF THERE ASAP.  To read them  in order, start from the bottom & read up.........

From: Marian
To: Folkner Great danes <folknerdanes@yahoo.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 6, 2011 10:02 PM
Subject: Re: decision made yet on Hope?

I'm sorry, don't agree with whether she comes home Saturday late or Monday morning.  Saturday works better for us to get her.  
 
 Oscar could come later Sat. afternoon to get her... since you know she is not sick.  If something does happen, I'd rather  be with her if she happens to get ill, I am her mom....I have the money & and an awesome  vet to deal with it.
 
I DON'T want to wait.  I think if you have something there that's contagious...the sooner she gets out the better.  Plus, do what I suggested.. since she is still healthy, put her away somewhere until Sat.  that way she won't get whatever is going around.

 So, not trying to be complicated....as long as it's not parvo, I'm her mom, she needs to come home to me asap & Sat. works for my friend to get her.  It's up to you whether or not you bring her or Oscar comes & gets her.
 
Let me know after the vet exam tomorrow.
 
Thanks,
Marian

----- Original Message -----
From: Folkner Great danes
To: Marian
Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2011 9:41 PM
Subject: Re: decision made yet on Hope?

Sorry I didnt have much time to call and its little to late. Will call tomrow. Waffles seems to be doing better I've givin him the anti-diahrrea med's, spoon fed him a little, and gave him water with a droper. He is not wineing cuse he's all alone and was just playing some and tareing up his puppy pad in his crate so he's ok so far than goodness no vomiting.  So far all the other pups are good, Hope is veri healty. I just dont know yet about Saturday, it mite have to be monday. sorry I will have to think more about it and get back to you sometime tomorrow I dont know when I dont know how my day will pan out my husband is sick, kids have school the pups demand more attention in the moring due the nasty little messes they leave over night, and well not much sleep for me w/ Waffles not feeling well. 

Thank You,
 
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----- Original Message -----
From: Marian
To: Kimberly Folkner
Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2011 8:26 PM
Subject: decision made yet on Hope?


Hey Kim,
 
Just wondering what you came up with for Saturday.  Either Oscar can come to you or you can meet me like we had planned at the Cracker Barrel in Springdale.
 
I would like if you could either e-mail or call tomorrow after the parvo snap test from the
vet.  Curious about results.  I sure hope Waffles makes it.  He such a beautiful baby.
 
Oh, how is he doing this evening?  Worse or any improvement?
 
Thanks,
Marian

Now Kim to also address the matter of me saying I was Hope's mother, which I'm 100% sure that dog lovers around the world refer to themselves as the pups mom or dad.  To quote you in your rebuttal, "I said No my dog Patches is her Mother, then the hateful e-mails came about" quote, unquote.  Does anyone see that statement from Kimmy above?  I DO see stating I'm her mom, but hmmm, don't see your lying ass statement.  Think about this people, what breeder would even say that to a new parent?

COUGH UP THE E-MAILS KIMMY WHERE YOU MAKE THAT STATEMENT, COUGH UP THE E-MAILS WHERE IT'S WEATHER RELATED, COUGH THEM UP LIAR!

I didn't come get her all the way to your place because as you know I have other special needs.  I can't be gone long.  That's why I could meet you just so far or have my good friend come get her.  YOU chose to have him come get her.

Something else on your stupidity & those in your circle.....I HAVE NOT ONCE SAID ONE THING ABOUT THE QUALITY OF THE PUPS.....just the FACT that I WARNED other buyers that by saying NO to Kimmy that there's hell to pay!  Again, if you'll read at the very top of "Ripoff" it states that this is a forum to state complaints amongst other issues.  I NEVER stated that I was ripped off.

But, since we're there, I do have an e-mail of Kimmy stating that Hope was blind in one eye, could see shadows out of the other & was NOT, I repeat NOT hearing impaired!!  Did I throw that overlook by the "Super Duper" breeder around?  NO....because I knew that Kim was a dumb ass & I was thankful to have Hope even with ALL of her special needs. I've NEVER even mentioned this....why?  Because it doesn't matter to me what Hope's needs were....she was & is my baby.  But, it does prove my intentions were NOT to complain about the quality of Kim's pups, but ONLY about Kim's anger issues, lies & mentality. 

Now, Kimmy, what would have happened if you sold her to someone else with your major overlook?  I imagine they would be on "Ripoff" stating that Folkner Danes sold them a puppy that you said was partially blind & could hear just fine.  And they got a puppy that was fully blind & deaf.....hmmm..... I think that would fall under "Ripoff" to others, but to me, it falls under "uneducated, irresponsible breeder."

You NEVER called me EVER....now Kimmy, you claim to have called 2 days later, it's very easy to get the phone company to go back to that date & send you a copy of your phone bill (I'm long distance, should show up).  To save your already dying reputation, I dare you to produce that.  I  don't expect you to come up with one from 4 months ago as you've claimed to have called me then.....why?  BECAUSE I MOVED & DIDN'T HAVE THE SAME PHONE NUMBER IDIOT!  You can't win when you're such a liar.  Liars have a hard time keeping their stories straight.  It's very obvious that you fall under that category.

You have spun such a web.  You've got to be totally embarrassed to have someone stand up to you & to take the time to untangle your web of lies.  Told you, you picked on the WRONG person lady. From all of the e-mails that I've received from other disgruntled buyers, you have managed to intimidate some.  Others, well, they just chose NOT to ever deal with you again.  I however, take it as a challenge to prove the truth.  What's the saying?  I'm sure you of all people wouldn't know it....."THE TRUTH SHALL SET YOU FREE"  You might practice this, maybe it'll help you with your anger issues.

You have continued to make all of your lying claims, I called Marian (so that would put me on your bill), I have hundreds of e-mails, I recorded our conversations. Remember e-mailing me that insane claim?

COUGH EVERYTHING UP, PHONE BILLS, RECORDED CONVERSATIONS, LAY ALL YOUR CLAIMS OUT.....DO IT BY GOD! 

I bet you'll be coughing until your freakin lungs explode because you have NOTHING.

Also, I DON'T have a contract with you on Hope, have NEVER seen a contract from you.  Cough that up to, because if you do.....It'll be false & forgery! 

I want to give ALL of you people out there that bought a puppy in the year 2010 or earlier a chance to send me where it states in the contract that you have to send pics & updates to this idiot.  NO breeder can demand that, you can request it & it's OUR CHOICE whether to concur or not.  I chose NOT to concur!  Why? again, because why would you even ask after almost a year, why would you ask when we left the whole thing with you not liking me or me you?  I think you were looking for a fight.  I said NO to your demands, but did say she was fine......then, well shall we say, your venom filled wrath spewed.

Except this person (me) wasn't going to be bullied by you.  You've gotten by with it so often that you didn't think twice in doing it again.  You just picked the WRONG person to do it to.  I'll call you out on everything.  That's why this d**n rebuttal is so long.  You lied so much that I'm having to go line for line to call you out.

What is it you said, gosh this is hilarious, another quote from you..."Are you fachated with me?"  First off, what the heck is "fachated"?  Lol!  I think you're uneducated mind is trying to say "fascinated". What kind of freak question is that?  I won't even attempt to answer something so off the wall.  Just had to bring it up because of the spelling & insinuation.

Finally the last quote of your lame rebuttal, you said, "she flat told me she will ruin my dog business".  I NEVER said that....I challenge you to prove that.  I made a point to let you know that I just wanted to warn people about your mentality.....I'm not ruining your....what did you call it?  Dog business?  Like the rebuttal of the Dane rescue comment.......you're just in it for the money.  You gave yourself away again......business?  That's NOT what a breeder with a heart would consider her babies.  I didn't have to ruin you......YOU DID IT ALL BY YOURSELF.

Good riddens, hope your BUSINESS doesn't loose you any money.  I'll pray for the poor babies that are just considered a BUSINESS to you.

P.S.  inform your white trash friends that I WILL NOT be acknowledging their illiterate, uneducated, lying, insane so called rebuttals.  There's NOTHING to rebuttal to a bunch of idiots.....their rebuttals speak for themselves....lol!

As I stated in my first rebuttal, I have been in Dane Rescue for years. The Danes that have come into my rescue were ALL products of irresponsible breeding on one level or another. In ANY reputable breeders puppy contract it will state that if the owner is ever unable to keep the puppy/dog, that puppy/dog should be returned to the breeder NO QUESTIONS ASKED. That one piece of the contract ensures that the breeders Danes do not end up in a pound or shelter somewhere.



With that said, I have seen on FB Kim post some of her previous puppies for sale because for one reason or another the original purchasers of the puppy couldn't keep him/her. I'm sure Kim thinks she's being "responsible" by helping these people resell their pup, but THAT my so called educated Dane people, is NOT what is (or SHOULD be) in her contract if she's a "reputable breeder". The dog should be returned to the breeder, as per CONTRACT, so he or she can find a forever home and put the dog under the SAME contract she had the original owners sign. Now, I will freely admit that I've never seen a copy of Kim's puppy contract. I just know what REPUTABLE breeders put in their contracts to ensure their dogs ALWAYS end up in the best homes possible.



Now, lets talk about some of the content of her "website" for a moment. (and BTW Kim, it's not very professional when your website is FULL of misspelled words. That alone would keep me from even considering one of your puppies) It completely BLOWS me away that she has PRICES/DEPOSIT AMOUNTS POSTED FOR PUPPIES that aren't even BORN yet. ALL of you who have posted here claim to know about Danes. Tell me,,,does that make ANY sense to you at all? HOW, HOW, HOW can you post a puppy price before you've even seen the pup? As I said in my original rebuttal, KIM BREEDS ANIMALS ONLY FOR THE MONEY, NOT FOR THE BETTERMENT OF THE BREED.



I spoke to Kim once about a puppy she was having a hard time selling. I had seen a picture of him and called her about him. This was before I had learned ANYTHING about her "breeding program". I don't remember now what her price was, but it was somewhere around $800.00. I told her I would have to think about it as that was pretty steep for my budget. She told me who the parents were of the pup, so I went online to look at them. With my knowledge of Danes, I knew after 30 seconds that that puppy was nowhere NEAR worth as much as she was asking. The parents had SO many conformation issues that I was surprised at her apparent pride of them. I only spoke to Kim for about 10 minutes, but when I hung up with her my boyfriend asked me what I'd found out. I told him "there's no WAY I'll buy a dog from that woman,,,,she's high and mighty and aggressive".



If Kim wants to breed a low caliber Dane, that's her business I suppose. KIM,,,HEAR THIS PLEASE,,,,just because a Dane is "HUGE" does NOT mean it's quality bred.



So far with my rebuttals I've maintained class and have just tried to educate people on what a "reputable breeder" is. However, now the angry part of me is going to come out and I mean EVERY word of what I'm about to say. It angers me to my CORE that once you're done making money off of an animal that you neuter them and sell them to whoever will have them. HOW DARE YOU YOU BITCH. These animals loved you, and then you discard them? THAT shows you view your animals as PROPERTY. That to me, proves what a despicable human being you are. You are a bully, have anger issues, and zero class. I would LOVE the chance to flat out bitch slap you.  You may be able to bully most people, but THIS girl will fight back literally and figuratively.



Do you have a kennel license? You'd better hope you do. I have connections all over Oklahoma and you can BET I'm going to find out.

This case is CLOSED, Kimmy!

I've not only CHALLENGED you, but also your poor "so called" supporters to show me the proof.  Nothing, why?  Because, there's none.

You've not only done yourself a HUGE justice by shutting your insane, illiterate mouth, but have done  your poor supporters a favor.  If they have any sense at all, they have to be embarrassed not only by your LIES but by their uneducated responses.

So, far as your FB postings.  I don't follow FB, don't have an account with them.  Your so called "friends" that you think you have, have copied & sent me the postings. I'm still hearing from people....please keep my e-mail posted.  This has been very interesting to hear the responses of others that can't stand you.

I think it's soooo funny how I've managed to get your blood pressure up!  But, I guess "sum" pizza helped that....lol.....just some more of Kimmy's spellings!

I've PROVEN my case lady. Open your LYING ASS MOUTH AGAIN..... well, I'll just keep on proving what an idiot you are.

I'll make one last quote, I'm sure this is from someone whom you admire greatly.  He & you have a lot in COMMON!  Charlie Sheen....."WINNING!"