Well, just what you would expect from an asshole. If Mark wanted to safe his reputation and clean up his mess, he would have simply contacted me after reading my ripoffreport posting knowing how big of a mess he made. I will now publish the complete skype conversation I had with this dumb a* for the whole world to read.
[8:27:36 PM] Mark Hoover says: I am interested in completing our dialogue if you are there
[8:30:14 PM] Mark Hoover says: I will make an order of 1-5 million barrels of jet A1 rotterdam, or ASWP. I would like a spot deal first We simply want to start slow.
[8:30:51 PM] Mark Hoover says: The 87 octane remains at 100k spot deal which would evolve into much larger transactions.
[8:32:18 PM] Mark Hoover says: I thought about the specs but I do not thing you need them for the preliminary pricing, delivery capabilities and procedures.
[8:33:34 PM] Mark Hoover says: I think it is wise to give me the pricing & availability first - with everything I have mentioned. If we like it we will tell you. If you can then provide the official offer on the Seller letterhead, we are off to the races.
[8:34:21 PM] Mark Hoover says: Remember that I am traveling tomorrow to meet with my group in Dallas. If you want to put the deal together email me
[9:20:19 PM] Emmanuel Eno-Idem says: Are you there?
[9:20:54 PM] Mark Hoover says: yes [9:24:00 PM] Emmanuel Eno-Idem says: Based on your request for 87 octane gasoline, I will get you the price for 100,000 gallons.
[9:24:41 PM] Emmanuel Eno-Idem says: Next step (if the price is acceptable to your buyer) will be to obtain a purchase order from the End buyer
[9:25:39 PM] Emmanuel Eno-Idem says: Since the purchase order will be addressed to the End seller, it has to originate from the End buyer
[9:26:54 PM] Mark Hoover says: The purchase order is able to addressed to me. I will assign this to the Buyer since I am his Facilitator authorized.
[9:27:32 PM] Emmanuel Eno-Idem says: Purchase order always comes from End buyer addressed to End seller
[9:27:53 PM] Mark Hoover says: Address this to Prime National Commercial Capital LLC [9:28:01 PM] Mark Hoover says: 2204 Spanish Oak Trail
[9:28:12 PM] Mark Hoover says: Round Rock, Texas 78681
[9:28:22 PM] Mark Hoover says: Principal Mark Hoover
[9:28:41 PM] Mark Hoover says: I am the legal authority at this level.
[9:28:48 PM] Emmanuel Eno-Idem says: Again, the Purchase Order always comes from the End buyer, addressed to the End seller
[9:29:18 PM] Emmanuel Eno-Idem says: This tells the seller the specifics of the buyer's needs [9:30:32 PM] Mark Hoover says: This does not work. I am under specific orders to handle these transactions. If I do not do this, the order will not be taken seriously. We get these all the time.
[9:31:03 PM] Emmanuel Eno-Idem says: If your End buyer is not willing to issue a Purchase Order or Letter of Intent addressed to the End seller, we might as well quit wasting our time [9:31:39 PM] Emmanuel Eno-Idem says: You have to be the buying entity to issue a purchase order
[9:31:49 PM] Mark Hoover says: This is the level of vetting that I earn my keep with. Otherwise, just anyone could get to the Mandates who are way too busy and way to large of an outfit to allow direct access to broker chains.
[9:33:00 PM] Emmanuel Eno-Idem says: Again the Purchase Order will not be addressed to me. It will be addressed to the End Seller. And that's why it has to originate from the End buyer.
[9:33:23 PM] Mark Hoover says: This has taken the ugly turn that I thought would be wasting my family time today. I thought we agreed that I would validate the offer, pricing procedures and if we still liked the transaction you would provide me with the Seller information so that we could vet them out?
[9:35:12 PM] Emmanuel Eno-Idem says: What we agreed to was that; after you send me the specs sheet for the gasoline, i will send you the pricing information and if that works for your End buyer, the End buyer will issue a Purchase Order on those terms. That was our agreement and Nicolette can testify to that
[9:35:33 PM] Mark Hoover says: Here comes the standoff that always stops these deals. We are being asked to provide personal information about our guy with the money. You are not providing anything from the Seller who should not have worries about providing some proof that he has done this before.
[9:35:41 PM] Mark Hoover says: That was not the way I agreed
[9:35:52 PM] Mark Hoover says: That is why I like to do these things in writing
[9:36:13 PM] Emmanuel Eno-Idem says: That was the way we agreed. Let me see if I can bring Nicolette to this chat
[9:36:57 PM] Mark Hoover says: Anyway, it is simple. you are not going to be able to get my Buyer information over the internet. If you want to have your Seller fly in to Austin, we will meet him face to face to bypass your fear of not getting paid.
[9:37:50 PM] Emmanuel Eno-Idem says: This is just my seller's simple procedures. There's nothing to fear
[9:38:49 PM] Mark Hoover says: O.K. we will stick to the deals we are working. If you find someone who is selling product let me know. Thanks
[9:39:16 PM] Emmanuel Eno-Idem says: Nicolette has brought me other buyers for other products and they've issued Purchase Orders or LOIs upfront per my seller's procedures. Please feel free to confirm with her
[9:39:50 PM] Mark Hoover says: Do you have a copy of a previous bill of laden to let me know you have come through on product before?
[9:41:17 PM] Emmanuel Eno-Idem says: Your buyer can get that very easily from my seller. Which is why the Purchase Order or LOI is required to open the doors for both principals to interact.
[9:41:40 PM] Mark Hoover says: I am the buyer.
[9:41:50 PM] Mark Hoover says: I pay nicole
[9:42:05 PM] Emmanuel Eno-Idem says: Once the Purchase Order or LOI gets to the seller, I usually step out of the way to allow the principals interact.
[9:43:03 PM] Emmanuel Eno-Idem says: If you are the buyer then you'll have to issue the Purchase Order or LOI on your letterhead.
[9:43:55 PM] Mark Hoover says: Yes, that is what I am telling you. I issue the Purchase Order to your Seller!
[9:45:40 PM] Mark Hoover says: But before you even tell me who he is, let's find out if we have similar interests in pricing, procedures, availability etc.
[9:46:40 PM] Emmanuel Eno-Idem says: Ok. The 5 mil Jet A1 request, is that spot or contract?
[9:47:30 PM] Mark Hoover says: If you can provide it as a spot, that is our preference.
[9:47:47 PM] Emmanuel Eno-Idem says: FOB Houston?
[9:47:53 PM] Mark Hoover says: We will follow with contracts for long term with rolls and extensions.
[9:48:31 PM] Emmanuel Eno-Idem says: Delivery: FOB Houston?
[9:48:41 PM] Mark Hoover says: We will take title in either Rotterdam, Houston or any SWP. But we prefer either Houston, or Rotterdam where we have storgage
[9:49:07 PM] Emmanuel Eno-Idem says: We can only deliver at Houston at this time
[9:49:37 PM] Mark Hoover says: Houston is the best port for us. Our Law Firm is based Downtown
[9:50:26 PM] Emmanuel Eno-Idem says: Price for FOB Houston, Jet A1 will be $60 per bbl
[9:51:31 PM] Mark Hoover says: Is the product lift able?
[9:51:49 PM] Emmanuel Eno-Idem says: Gross $60, Net $58
[9:52:28 PM] Mark Hoover says: If this is a spot, is the product liftable?
[9:53:00 PM] Emmanuel Eno-Idem says: Yes, liftable in 72 hours or less from date of contract execution
[9:54:02 PM] Mark Hoover says: I need to check what platt is today. Hold on
[10:02:59 PM] Mark Hoover says: I have a question. Who will provide me with pop?
[10:03:23 PM] Emmanuel Eno-Idem says: Seller of course
[10:04:14 PM] Emmanuel Eno-Idem says: but only after verifying funds attorney to attorney or bank to bank or escrow
[10:04:47 PM] Mark Hoover says: Emmanuel are you really want to stand by that answer or are you guessing?
[10:05:08 PM] Emmanuel Eno-Idem says: POP including bill of lading, commercial invoice etc. comes with the contract
[10:05:41 PM] Mark Hoover says: So you are clearly telling me that the Seller will issue the pop?
[10:08:10 PM] Emmanuel Eno-Idem says: These are the steps: 1. Purchase order from buyer 2. FCO from seller 3. buyer signs off on the FCO and funds are verified. 4. Contract + POP from seller. 5. Delivery and payment
[10:09:24 PM] Mark Hoover says: So far, you have told me that you will not provide previous verification of transactions. You have told me that the Seller is the one who provides me with POP. And, you have told me that the transaction will be Bank to Bank or Attorney to Attorney. I want you to look at my next statement to follow this:
[10:13:41 PM] Mark Hoover says: Those fake offers are issued from IMPROVISED COMPANIES selling Commodities with such fictitious conditions just for the purpose of obtaining Buyers pre-advice L/Cs easily and faster.Why is it that after opening pre-advice L/C by the Buyer, the Seller's Performance Bond never arrives? Answer: because the smart Seller already got his goal, obtaining a loan of 10-15% from the L/C’s beneficiary bank! And for that matter, the FBI and police agencies worldwide have people assigned to combat those Commodities millionaire frauds, constantly checking the web and thousand of email addresses.
Another example: why do sellers over the Internet never send their past records? Why do they always declare: after Buyer's LOI or ICPO and Banking soft probe, all the documents will be available (but the docs never arrive ….!!!). Furthermore: never accept and sign contract providing POP (Proof of Product) showed only on a Bank to Bank basis!!! That is another NON-EXISTANT selling condition invented by improvised Sellers/Traders to get in advance Buyer’s L/C without showing the Proof of Product existence (because they have nothing to show!!). the POP must be issued BEFORE the Buyer’s financial instruments and never be issued from the Seller as anyone can write a POP declaration on fake letterhead (!!!).
[10:15:39 PM] Mark Hoover says: Please read this carefully. This is why when you get a real Buyer you are failing. You are stepping out, making statements that appear you have never done a transaction before. This is why you should be stepping aside if you do have a Seller. They will know not to hide behind the internet lingo!
[10:16:00 PM] Mark Hoover says: Futhermore, you may want to read what I am about to warn you about
[10:17:16 PM] Mark Hoover says: Your email marketing is illegal if you are misrepresenting a false buyer: Prime National LLC requires its buyers or sellers of commodities to acknowledge that they understand and are legally bound to comply as we shall strictly enforce the International Code, issued by the US Federal Reserve, European Central Bank, Interpol, Federal Bureau of Investigation and Central Intelligence Agency and in effect from November 15, 2008, on those parties that submit a fraudulent or unauthorized (Draft) Contract, ICPO, LOI, RWA, BCL, Proof of Product, or NCNDA/IMFPA to our company. Prime National LLC shall without exception inform the relevant authorities, FOR THIS IS A FEDERAL OFFENSE.
[10:17:30 PM] Emmanuel Eno-Idem says: My seller is a reseller for ExxonMobil. Why would a seller ship products to Houston and spend all his money, time and logistics for a supposed buyer; a buyer that he has no way of proving that he has the money to pay for the product?
[10:17:33 PM] Mark Hoover says: In the U.S. you can go to prison for this my friend.
[10:18:25 PM] Emmanuel Eno-Idem says: My seller is a reseller for ExxonMobil. Why would a seller ship products to Houston and spend all his money, time and logistics for a supposed buyer; a buyer that he has no way of proving that he has the money to pay for the product?
[10:19:00 PM] Mark Hoover says: I am highly confident that Exxon does not know that you are throwing thier name around out here.
[10:19:08 PM] Emmanuel Eno-Idem says: Would you ask Exxon or Gasprom to show you POP upfront?
[10:20:07 PM] Emmanuel Eno-Idem says: Of course the answer will be NO.
[10:20:22 PM] Mark Hoover says: Sir, you may want to take a moment to absorb what I am disclosing to you about the violations of law that you are crossing into. I am required to report this back to my Lead Counsel.
[10:20:33 PM] Emmanuel Eno-Idem says: Same goes for their resellers like my seller
[10:20:43 PM] Mark Hoover says: I hope you are sure about who you are representing?
[10:21:41 PM] Emmanuel Eno-Idem says: I have asked you a very simple question. Why not get on the phone in the morning with Exxon or Gasprom and ask then for POP upfront?
[10:22:24 PM] Emmanuel Eno-Idem says: Ask them for POP upfront and call me back with your findings
[10:23:00 PM] Emmanuel Eno-Idem says: All the upfront/partial POPs I have verified have always turned out to be fake
[10:23:33 PM] Emmanuel Eno-Idem says: I can send you some of the upfront or partial POPs I have personally verified to be fake
[10:24:16 PM] Emmanuel Eno-Idem says: Fake sellers use this to obtain LCs and payments instruments from buyer, lodge the LC in a bank as collateral and obtain loans. Then the fake seller disappears
[10:26:01 PM] Emmanuel Eno-Idem says: Last month, a buyer arrested 2 brokers in Chicago who sent him fake POPs. This brokers put so much pressure on the buyer to the extent that the buyer sent his LC soon after receiving the POP. Upon verification, tuens out the POP was fake and the 2 brokers had no idea the POP was fake
[10:27:22 PM] Emmanuel Eno-Idem says: If you keep asking for POP and partial POP upfront, you will soon fall into the wrong hands my friend. I GUARANTEE IT.
[10:28:49 PM] Emmanuel Eno-Idem says: This is not the only direct seller I work with. No real seller will issue any partial/soft POP upfront without first verifying the financial capability of the buyer and without a signed contract in place with the End buyer
[10:29:09 PM] Emmanuel Eno-Idem says: I have a feeling you know this already and you're just testing me
[10:31:24 PM] Mark Hoover says: Emmanuel, you are overstepping your authority if you represent anyone who is in connection with Exxon as you suggest. There is an FBI task force who monitors the misrepresentation of these transctions. Our group deals with Exxon and this can be traced backwards. You have made statements that you are blockading an undisclosed seller who has allocations from a Major. This is a serious claim.
[10:32:49 PM] Emmanuel Eno-Idem says: Why do you threatening me with talks about the FBI and law and all this crap.
[10:33:27 PM] Emmanuel Eno-Idem says: If you indeed need to buy products from my seller, let's stick to that for now. ok
[10:33:44 PM] Emmanuel Eno-Idem says: At the right time, we will know who is legit and who is not
[10:34:29 PM] Mark Hoover says: There are a tremendous amount of fraudulent claims. You have a slew of red flags going off everyplace.
[10:35:00 PM] Emmanuel Eno-Idem says: If you are not the End buyer but posing as the End buyer, we will know and the law will take it's due course by then. On the other hand, if my seller is not real, cannot offer POP and is not a reseller for Exxon, the law will also take it's due course
[10:35:58 PM] Emmanuel Eno-Idem says: If I have not been paid from working with this seller in before now, I would be frightened by your unecessary threats
[10:37:39 PM] Mark Hoover says: I am inside the inner sanctum of Texas Oil at it's finest. We are painted into a corner. You will continue to block and nobody will be paid. I am going to stop this here. Too much wasted time. good luck with your business model sir
[10:38:08 PM] Emmanuel Eno-Idem says: AT THIS POINT, NO MORE THREATS PLEASE. WE HAVE ATTORNEYS ON BOTH SIDES. IF YOU NEED PRODUCTS, YOU HAVE THE PROCEDURES AND THE STEPS TO BUY FROM US
[10:39:13 PM] Mark Hoover says: I think it is you who needs the products at this point. I am not threatening you. I was educating you. You really need a few more years in this industry to get your first deal done if at all. good luck
[10:41:56 PM] Emmanuel Eno-Idem says: You need to educate yourself. Now that you have my seller's name, you think you can go around me and strike a deal with him...right. Go ahead.
[10:46:27 PM] Mark Hoover says: Not at all. That is where you go wrong. I am a man of honor. Your guy will never be contacted. The bad news is that you do not get it.
[10:47:52 PM] Mark Hoover says: you currently have nothing. You will not become transparent enough to allow me to do my job. therefore the deal cannot happen. You make nothing. I don't need the money. But I understand why you think that I am offensive instead of educational and philanthropic.
[10:49:23 PM] Emmanuel Eno-Idem says: Obviously, you're shopping around to obtain names of selling entities for your scam and fraud
[10:50:50 PM] Mark Hoover says: Wow! you are so far off! if you only knew that you were at the end of one side today.
[10:51:02 PM] Emmanuel Eno-Idem says: On the phone with Nicolette, you confirmed that you represent buyers but you're now telling me that you're the buyer. What other lie do have in store waiting?
[10:51:38 PM] Mark Hoover says: I am one of the Partners you moron!
[10:53:05 PM] Mark Hoover says: I will email you a press release in about 6 months so you can see who you are talking to.
[10:53:25 PM] Mark Hoover says: You will not be happy with your decisions. if you even know somebody
[10:54:19 PM] Emmanuel Eno-Idem says: Ok, I'm not sure how we got here but I must disengage here and inform the appropriate authorities before it goes too far. Obviously, you don't know me.
[10:54:31 PM] Mark Hoover says: again. good luck with your way of doing business. You almost had my attention until you said that the seller provides the POP. that is ridiculous.
[10:54:55 PM] Emmanuel Eno-Idem says: What the hell is wrong with you idiot?
[10:55:11 PM] Emmanuel Eno-Idem says: So who provides the POP? Exxon direct?
[10:55:26 PM] Mark Hoover says: SGS you idiot!
[10:55:50 PM] Emmanuel Eno-Idem says: What don't you understand by the title passing from Exxon to my seller? How hard is that to understand?
[10:55:59 PM] Mark Hoover says: Go take a class. You are a student of the internet not legitimate people
[10:56:48 PM] Mark Hoover says: The product is what has a POP not Exxon or your seller
[10:57:02 PM] Mark Hoover says: POP consists of 7 layers.
[10:57:52 PM] Emmanuel Eno-Idem says: Then who gives the POP to the buyer for verification?
[10:57:58 PM] Mark Hoover says: You will be sad that you did not get out of the way on this one. this is a several billion dollar transaction. I am not quite sure you did the math before you condescended to a person who could do this
[10:58:21 PM] Mark Hoover says: Here is how it is done:
[10:58:39 PM] Mark Hoover says: Bank to Bank is broker BS.
[10:58:50 PM] Mark Hoover says: Seller providing pop is BS
[10:58:51 PM] Emmanuel Eno-Idem says: You keep talking about getting out of the way. Mark, I am the authroised seller's Rep. I am not a broker. All Purchase orders and LOIs comes to me direct and then to the End seller
[10:59:44 PM] Emmanuel Eno-Idem says: How hard is that to understand Mr Professor of the Internet?
[11:00:11 PM] Mark Hoover says: If you were that close you would not be trying to get me to produce my Signatory information before you validated your Seller.
[11:00:27 PM] Emmanuel Eno-Idem says: So who delivers the POP to the buyer in your own world?
[11:00:51 PM] Mark Hoover says: You didn't study did you?
[11:01:41 PM] Mark Hoover says: The only safe transaction can possibly happen inside the doors of a bank. It is called Boxing. that is the last free advise I am giving you.
[11:02:42 PM] Mark Hoover says: Escrow is established and both parties are equally protected. You bring product, we bring money, Bank Officer validates both sides and closes. Security forces are put in place to guard the product during the transaction
[11:03:11 PM] Mark Hoover says: Welcome to the world of a legitimate deal with real people who have billions of dollars
[11:03:39 PM] Emmanuel Eno-Idem says: So we have to show POP upfront, before you even show that you have the money to buy?
[11:03:45 PM] Mark Hoover says: Don't have nightmares. I may forgive you for your lack of knowledge since I knew you had not done this before
[11:03:56 PM] Mark Hoover says: NO
[11:04:34 PM] Mark Hoover says: You introduce me to your Seller and get out of the way so I can run him through our system. If you trust who your Seller is, you get paid
[11:05:28 PM] Mark Hoover says: Who knows maybe you will get on board and we can get past this ridiculous blockade of a potential deal?
[11:06:04 PM] Emmanuel Eno-Idem says: Well, may be there're sellers out there that operate that way. Regardless of whether I introduce my seller to you now or whenever, he will ask for a purchase order first and foremost
[11:06:21 PM] Mark Hoover says: Look, the person who has the risk is the guy presenting the money. What would we do? Go to a secured zone and rob the refined shipment?
[11:06:37 PM] Emmanuel Eno-Idem says: If you cannot issue one, he will not waste his time with you and your day dreams
[11:07:31 PM] Emmanuel Eno-Idem says: If you cannot issue a purchase order or LOI to open the doors to my seller, this conversation is over.
[11:07:33 PM] Mark Hoover says: O.K you are still being a Dick. I am done now. Good luck over there in the $100k home district. You just blew your shot at your first deal on my end
[11:08:46 PM] Emmanuel Eno-Idem says: Good luck hunting. I will be here and I'll probably hear it when you get robbed with those fake upfront POPs
[11:12:41 PM] Emmanuel Eno-Idem says: Look Mark, let me be very clear here. I'm not saying that upfront POPs is absolutely not possible. Upfront POPs is only possible for buyers that have closed deals with a seller; not a new buyer that we barely know. Get it now?
[11:17:35 PM] Emmanuel Eno-Idem says: Here's what it boils down to at the end of the day. If you cannot work with my seller's procedures, find another seller.
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