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  • Submitted: Friday, January 30, 2009
  • Last Posting: Tuesday, February 16, 2010
  • Reported By:Aurora Colorado
PSI Seminars
6941 N Broadway Denver Colorado 80221 U.S.A.
  • Phone: 303-3318440
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  • Category: Cult

PSI Seminars Avoid PSI Denver Colorado

*Consumer Comment: Seems like a good idea at first, but BEWARE!


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For your own well being avoid PSI. This is a business that just wants your MONEY.
First you sign
up for the "basic seminar'". For me it was $495.00. I spent an entire week-end spilling my guts out to people that I had never seen before. You spend 6 hours Thursday and Friday night and then all day Saturday and Sunday being "counseled" by your peers. What, if any education, do they have to do this? You are asked to divulge your darkest secrets- and surprisingly you do. You are constantly told that "givers gain"?
After the basic they rope you into "PSI 7". This is a fancy way of saying that if you give them $3400.00 they will let you spend an entire week at the "ranch". This is located in Northern California. You are herded into sub par housing, you can't even drink the water, and you are told when to wake and when to go to sleep. During one of the "rope" exercises, I was knocked to the ground by one of the group. There was no concern shown by any of the staff- not once was I asked if I was o.k. or if I thought that I needed any medical attention. It was "get up and get back to what you were doing".

After your week long brainwashing is complete you are asked to sign up for LS. This is the next step- it only costs $3900.00. After the high of making it through the week, you are in the groove and are more than happy to sign up and forl over the money.

They are famous for saying that "givers gain". This is not TRUE. I found myself unemployed and was having a hard time just making ends meet. I called the Denver office and spoke with Mark Shearon. I knew there was a no refund policy but thought that perhaps they would make an exception and even let me have half of the $3900 back. NO WAY- I was the recipient of a pep talk that if I didn't know better I would think that he was reading from "The Secret". There was no concern, no sympathy, just that I needed to get a job and make sure that I was at the seminar that I had signed up for. "Givers gain"??? Perhaps, but it's you who GIVE and PSI that GAINS. If you think that you need PSI, think again. Go buy "The Secret" for $15 and save yourself a lot of money and self respect.

Sandra
Aurora, Colorado
U.S.A.

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#1 Employee

Yes it should be avoided.

AUTHOR: Jennifer - New York (U.S.A.)

The crap will brainwash you into believing you create your own reality and destroy the relationships with your family and friends. PSI should be avoided at all costs. And if you attended PSI in the past call them and DEMAND a refund.

I worked for these as*holes for four years and they ripped off hundreds of people for thousands of dollars.
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#2 Consumer Comment

Wow they are powerful!!! I didn't get that from my experience...

AUTHOR: Patrick - Berthoud (U.S.A.)

It sounds like PSI is almost god-like and you have NO say in anything. I took the Basic course in May of 1999 and got an enormous benefit from it. I remember it all being about ME. I was given a choice to leave at any time and there was a money-back guarantee, at the time it was $395 and I could re-take the course any time forever for FREE, which I have done almost a dozen times.

I was asked to finish the course because there is a “method to the madness” as the old saying goes. Again, the entire experience was an opportunity for ME to take a look at MYSELF and learn some things about ME and I could take it or leave it. I FREELY chose to participate in the exercises. There was a very intentional focus on personal responsibility and getting out of my comfort zone. I am thankful that my friend invited me to go because it was the start of some very REAL growth and improvement in my life. They did NOT fix all my problems, that alone only I can do with God's help.

I choose on my own free will to attend the advanced course about 2 years later and had an amazing experience and made some great friends.

Brain-washing is a part of everyone's life, we all grow up learning things that aren't necessarily “good” or even “true”, they're just what we accept as truth at the time. As adults we have the opportunity to accept or reject these beliefs”, only if we are aware of them though. These courses are what helped ME become aware. At that time I could make an informed decision as to what to do about my beliefs. It's been wonderful to be so free and no longer just running on auto-pilot in my life.

Givers-Gain... Who else said that??? Oh yeah, Jesus said, it is greater to give than to receive. Was he a liar? Is it better to take and use people? I say NO. It sounds to me like you have issues with integrity. You didn't share the entire truth.
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#3 Consumer Comment

So PSI is a Religion?

AUTHOR: Patti - Sciottsdale (U.S.A.)

Sorry, but are you saying PSI is a RELIGION? I think it nothing of the kind. PSI is a brainwashing CULT. My husband just left me over this. I am ashamed of him for being this stupid. And if you were my friend I'd be ashamed of you too.
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What I discovered about Me from PSI Seminars

AUTHOR: TC - (USA)

I attended the Basic PSI Seminar course a couple of years ago and it was nothing I had not heard before. It is very similar to The Secret and to many other personal growth courses and books. The difference is I learned how it applied to me and my life. It was a huge eye opener to me. PSI (all or the courses) helped me see how I could create my life the way I wanted it.

For example I was single and unemployed when I took the class about five years ago.  I am now very happily married to a man I met while doing the "work" in PSI and he is everything I ever wanted in a husband. I have a job that excites me every day, a son who is the light of my world and the confidence to know that I am in controll of my own life.

PSI has also turned me on to other exciting authors and their works like "The Secret", "The Sadona Method" and "The Seat of the Soul".  I will admit that I still have bad days and get frustrated or upset, I now know how to use the tools I always had to get over the rough patches.

 I also learned how to relate to all of my loved ones friends and family regaurdless of weather they have chosen to do this work or not. I learned forgivness and how to apply it to myself and others around me. I agree "Givers Gain" and I give alot and I have gained alot.


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#5 Owner of Company

It was a good experience for me....

AUTHOR: Ms PSI - Irving (USA)

I attended this same meeting in Denver Colorado... It was a very good experience for me. Divging this information to your pees is a way of lettin you break free from caring about what other ppl think... I actually had some one pay for my seminar.. and it was given to me as a gift. It hepled me to get passed all the little things from the past that held me back from going after my dreams. I can't thank PSI enough for getting me back to basics.... My speaker was Cameron... A guy from Dallas he didn't insult us we did alot of  having fun while we discovered what it was that happened to us so long ago that made us stop being who we were born. I had a great time. we had a break for lunch and went to Chilis or what ever that restaurant is around the corner from he Holiday in on 25... Could go to the bathroom at anypoint.. but everyone was glued to their chair... Yeah they tell you about the next steps to freeing your mind and thats the  ranch trip.... but how do you think they pay for the hotel for the whole day and the staff. It wasn't cult like at all. i felt like everyone there was  a stranger and therefore they were all in the same boat as I was. Learning how to trust ppl again. Thats 
what I got out of it. And I also got that I dont care about what other ppl think about me  now. I think a person could pay thousands for the trainng that I got in just a few days....It was totally worth every cent... And I appreciated it even more bc it was a gift. And one that I really needed to recieve. They tought us that there are some ppl who will go thru life blaming others for their situation when the only person to blame for feeling any way is yourself.For instance... if a person threw cold water in yor face would that make yo mad? No you would make you mad... Have control of your emotions ad the way things effect you... I mean really, What can you do? Every one has a different experience period... Some ppl got it some ppl didnt... but we all were there at graduation and it was alot of fun. I will never forget the experience... I actually found this site while looking to go to my FREE anytime use refresher course that you get with the PSI seminars... So I am going to go back and search for my seminar... and truley i feel sorry for those who were not open to it.. But Honestly I met some truely remarkable ppl there friends that are there forever... But I was open to it... and ready for the change...

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#6 Consumer Comment

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AUTHOR: David - Dana Point (United States of America)

I have met people who felt ripped off after attending PSI Seminars.  Sandra's suggestion to buy and watch "The Secret" is sensible if you want to limit your investment to $15.00 and the time spent watching (and re-watching) a powerful movie.  But here's a simple fact: if you take the Basic and you don't feel you got your money's worth they offer you a full refund minus a $50.00 processing fee (I just called the Orange County office which you can find on the internet to verify).  And they honor it: my father requested a refund right after completing the class in 2005 and he got it within 4 few weeks.  Of course you don't get back your time from Thursday night, Friday night, Saturday, or Sunday.  But of the hundreds of people I have seen go through the Basic (I used to volunteer to staff the seminars) I have only seen a handful who didn't like it.

Is PSI Seminars a cult? Possibly (i.e. if you feel that the coercive techniques used by the US Military to train recruits would classify them as a cult then you would likely view PSI as a cult too).  Is PSI a powerful set of classes for personal growth? Yes! Is PSI for everyone? No. :(  Is PSI for you? I have no idea but if were to play the odds then again the answer is yes. What's the potential risk?  Four days, the class registration fee ($50.00) and the time you would wait for your refund (check with PSI before you pay), and the possibility that you may be posting a rip-off report in the future like Sandra.  What's the potential reward?  Peace of mind, health, prosperity, friendship, and all around powerful happiness!  Is Sandra's complaint legitimate?  Absolutely.  Is her viewpoint that you should avoid PSI shared by the vast majority of graduates (99%)?  I sincerely doubt it.  Is this Ripoff Report possibly ripping you off if it scares you away from PSI seminars?  Most likely but whatever you choose I wish you the best.


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AUTHOR: David - Dana Point (United States of America)

I have met people who felt ripped off after attending PSI Seminars.  Sandra's suggestion to buy and watch "The Secret" is sensible if you want to limit your investment to $15.00 and the time spent watching (and re-watching) a powerful movie.  But here's a simple fact: if you take the Basic and you don't feel you got your money's worth they offer you a full refund minus a $50.00 processing fee.  And they honor it.  My father requested a refund right after completing the class in 2005 and he got it within 4 few weeks.  Of course you don't get back your time from Thursday night, Friday night, Saturday, or Sunday.  But of the hundreds of people I have seen go through the Basic I have only seen a handful who didn't like it.

Is PSI Seminars a cult? Possibly (i.e. if you feel that the coercive techniques used by the US Military to train recruits would classify them as a cult then you would likely view PSI as a cult too).  Is PSI a powerful set of classes for personal growth? Yes! Is PSI for everyone? No. :(  Is PSI for you? I have no idea but if were to play the odds then again the answer is yes. What's the potential risk?  Four days, the class registration fee ($50.00) and the time you would wait for your refund (check with PSI before you pay), and the possibility that you may be posting a rip-off report in the future like Sandra.  What's the potential reward?  Peace of mind, better health, more prosperity, stronger relationships, and simply more happiness!  Is Sandra's complaint legitimate?  Absolutely.  Is her viewpoint that you should avoid PSI shared by the vast majority of graduates (99%)?  I sincerely doubt it.  Is this Ripoff Report possibly ripping you off if it scares you away from PSI seminars?  Most likely but whatever you choose I wish you the best.


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#8 Ex-Employee

I wouldn't recommend PSI to anyone regardless of the Refund!!!!

AUTHOR: Travis - Gilbert (USA)



The answer to you question is yes. PSI uses past graduates
from the basic and PSI7 to “staff” the basic. It's basically free labor and
more money for them. PSI will tell you that once you complete PSI7 you can
audit the basic class at no charge. They also tell you that you can attend as
many times as you want. Several times I re-audited the basic and was placed
into a group with the new people attending. I was told not to tell the new
people what we were about to do so as not to ruin the experience for them.



I also remember back to the time I was invited to a basic graduation by my
friend. I remember people standing up and telling their stories about how PSI
changed their lives. Looking back on this I remember the argument I had with my
wife that night. I tried to talk her into taking the basic and pointed out the
people who stood and related their stories and how it had helped them. My wife said
these people reminded her of “shills” planted in a group to tout the
possibilities of PSI. Naturally I got pissed off when she said this and
wouldn’t listen anymore; but looking back she was right.



When I staffed the basic I saw the same people infiltrating the micro-groups,
acting like it was their first time and pretending to sign up for PSI7 without
any hesitation. If you were a first timer and had some doubts how much
convincing would you need when someone you sat next to for four days signed up
without hesitation? I think about this from time to time and wonder if there
was one in my group.



 



Of course you can take the basic for $600.00 and get a
refund, minus $50.00, if you don’t like it and then argue with the company for
several weeks before getting your refund. 
I know about this as I used to work there.



 



And just so you know I ruined my relationship with my wife,
family and friends because of PSI. I have tried to explain this to some of my
PSI “friends” and was told to “stop being a victim.”  



 



I would not recommend PSI seminars to anyone.
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#9 Consumer Comment

Seems like a good idea at first, but BEWARE!

AUTHOR: Greeley mom - Greeley (U.S.A.)

As a former "student" of PSI Seminars, I am in total agreement with the people in this post who have said BEWARE.  Sure, there is always speculation about the Basic Seminar -- is it brainwashing or not? Is it a cult? Is it really worth the $395?  No bother.  It's what comes at the end of the Basic that you need to watch out for. 

After four days of tearing apart your brain, heart, and soul -- not to mention the sleep deprivation -- these very clever fraudsters then convince you that you "NEED" the PSI-7.  If you don't take it, then you are not a complete person, or it will "change your life forever" -- whatever hooey they are dishing out at the moment.  And, if you decide to simply walk out of the room and not sign up for the PSI-7, rest assured a very well-trained herd of very touchy-feely PSI people will find you and convince you to take it! 

As for me, I got talked out of a $1000 "fully refundable" deposit and never saw it again.  Even when I called PSI seminars and told them I was out of work and really needed at least part of that deposit back, they turned a deaf ear to my pleading and acted as if I was some sort of spiritual leper for not considering forking over the remaining money to take the PSI-7. 

Bottom line...spend the $15 and get "The Secret", then if you feel really brave, take the Basic Seminar.  But as soon as it starts to wrap up on Sunday afternoon, before all the alligator tears and false promises arise, scoot out quickly -- with wallet or purse FIRMLY in hand -- and don't go back!!! 


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