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  • Submitted: Wednesday, December 21, 2011
  • Last Posting: Thursday, December 22, 2011
  • Reported By: Theydonegoofed — Clayton Delaware United States of America
Target
148 John Hunn Brown Road Dover Delaware 19901 United States of America

Target Sells Defective Merchandise and Did Not Honor Even Exchange! Dover, Delaware

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 I purchased a Playstation 3 160GB Console on November 12, 2011 and a 3 year warranty for the system at $29.99. The system came with a promotional offer from Target as to where you brought a PS3 at full price and received a  $50.00 gift card.

 When I purchased the system I also had the $50.00 gift card applied to an entertainment game along with it. I brought the PS3 Console home and set it up in my living room where it remained for nearly 4 weeks untouched,unplayed,and unused.

On the 5th week of owning the system I finally had a break in my schedule to actually play it for once. Upon playing the system (for an average of 1-2 hours a night) I noticed the system would shut off randomly. After several occurrences of this I would check the system to notice it ran extremely hot after very short periods of time (up to 15 minutes even). Although the system was in an open and well ventilated area, the system would overheat and shut down, and at times just freeze up.

I investigated into this issue (Contacting Sony what best I could, visiting Consumer boards etc.)to find that it's a known defect in this model of the PS3. Target sold me a "New Defective" system. Target allows consumers 90 days to return items and as it's implemented on my receipt my purchase was valid for a return. Although I purchased the extended warranty I did not feel it would be logical to use a warranty on a NEW item as something sold as NEW should not require a warranty to be used when it has less that 30 hours of use on it.

I contacted Target in Dover,DE and explained the situation. The CSR informed me to bring everything in and they would exchange it for a new system.  I boxed up their defective system and brought it into the store. They inspected the console visually only to see that as I informed them it was NEW. The representative continued to process the exchange and then told me that they could not do it because it would only be valued at $199.99 since they had the promotion for their $50.00 gift card. Although I paid full price for the system at $249.99 they are so petty that they would charge a consumer $50.00 for it when they are simply trying to exchange a defective item that was sold for the same item.

After unsuccessfully trying to get the stores management to understand how wrong it was to sell a defective item to a customer then attempt to charge them $50.00 for a working one they pointed me in the direction of their "Guest Services" (which is their corporate consumer help department). I contacted their Guest Services the following to which I was able to speak with a representative that didn't know quite how to handle my situation. Her best advice or resolution was that she would forward it to her superior offices. I asked her would someone reply or attempt to contact me. The representative honestly told me "They may not contact you at all". Which I found to be very helpful in knowing I may or may not EVER have my issue resolved.

After being fed up with Target at this point (and who wouldn't be after spending $280.00 on a product that doesn't work) I wished to return the system along with the game that I purchased with the gift card (it was never opened as I never really played the system) for a full refund.

I contacted the Dover Target store once again to speak with a manager to see if I could just return everything for a full refund now that I had the original unopened game purchased with the gift card and they should be able to honor it. I was placed on the line there with a woman who Identified herself as Jenna (Possibly Jennifer as later I would find out this Target has ghost Managers working for them) who informed me that I should be able to get my refund as long as I had everything and the game and brought it into the store and should I have an issue she would contact Guess Relations herself.

After hearing this I assumed everything would be taken care of. If they didn't want to honor an even exchange at least I could return everything I purchased and just get my refund and move on. This was not the case. When I returned to the Dover,DE store for the second time now I re-explained the story to the CSR who tried to get in contact with "Jenna" whom he said was not on shift the day I called in and it might be another Manager named "Jennifer" After he contacted "Jennifer" she had no recollection of speaking to a customer about returning a Playstation 3 system. Which I found very helpful to know I was speaking to a ghost when I called the store the day before or someone who had 24hour amnesia.

After being unable to locate the manager I spoke to the CSR decided to contact Guess Relations who also apparently had never heard of me and did not acknowledge ever speaking to myself about returning a defective PS3 console (again they have ghost answering their consumer lines).

After not having any luck, the CSR decided to contact a different Manager named Paul. At first Paul put on a facade of being friendly but soon his true colors showed as he tried to Tell me they could not refund the PS3 because I had used the promotional gift card. I informed him that the card was used to purchase the game that was unused that I was also returning and also  had a receipt for as the purchase was done in the same instance as when I brought the system itself.

The more I logically questioned the Manager regarding how Target handles "Defective" products that they sell to customers he became irrational and started raising his voice to argue with me without answering any inquiry I had but only irately yelling at me "What did Guess Services Tell You" (They told me nothing actually) and saying "I'm not want to deal with this".

I found this Managers "Paul" behavior to be out of line and beyond unprofessional considering I am a customer that just spent $280.00 on a product that is defective and does not work. You would assume if in any right I would be the one that would be upset since I am the one that took the loss from all this.

Not being an argumental person I calmly countered his irrationalism by questioning his logic that he considered a full refund only providing me $199.99 cashback for the Defective console and offering me a $50.00 gift card for the game I wanted to return to them so that they could provide it as credit towards the full purchase of the system so I could get my full refund back (Please note I paid the full price of $249.99 for the system not $199.99 and $29.99 for the warranty service. I wanted to return the Game so they would have their $50.00 giftcard purchase back so that the promotional offer would be voided out and I could be provided the full refund amount that I paid for the total purchase back.


Under the logic of Paul he wanted me to basically donate a $50.00 game to Target so they could put it back in inventory and resale it at full price and I pretty much get a $50.00 gift card to which I at this point would have actually just have purchased myself since its value is deducted from my original purchase amount of $278.99.

I'm not gaining anything but losing out at this point as I had no interests in dealing with Target and especially purchasing another item from them after seeing how they treat a customer whom they sold a defective product to. Target simply refused to honor an even exchange without attempting to charge me the Full price of the system $249.99 to which I already brought for at the full price of $249.99.

Their Solution is to return the $50.00 game to receive a credit to basically buy a properly working system at Full price because they sold me that was defective as they will not honor an even exchange on the defective system they sold me.

My conversation with Paul ended with him telling me I had 2 options to either listen to him and take his deal or I could leave the store. To which I replied I would take the 3rd option settle the matter by way of legal means. To which he walked storming out the customer service desk.

The CSR that was assisting me herself was shocked by his behavior as it was out of place entirely.
 
I write this RipOff Report so that buyers who are purchasing electronic items under Targets "Promotonal Gift card offers" beware if your item is defective or not in proper working condition as Target will try to charge you full face value of the item if you try to exchange it. Regardless if the conditions of the promotion were that you paid full price for the item to begin with.

This report was posted on Ripoff Report on 12/21/2011 2:43:03 AM and is a permanent record located here: http://www.ripoffreport.com/department-outlet-stores/target/target-sells-defective-mercha-68210.htm. The posting time indicated is Arizona local time. Arizona does not observe daylight savings so the post time may be Mountain or Pacific depending on the time of year.

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#1 Consumer Comment

Take their deal

AUTHOR: Ashley - springfield (U.S.A.)

Its the best you're going to get. They are following their published return policy, I'm not sure what legal means you think you will get.

" Discounts and Promotions: The refunded value for each item returned will be reduced to reflect the value of any free gift or discount. "

This is straight from their return policy. http://www.target.com/HelpContent?help=/sites/html/TargetOnline/help/returns_and_refunds/targets_return_policy/targets_return_policy.html

They owe you the value of the PS3 minus the 50$ giftcard, this is exactly per their posted and published return policy. If you return the game you get your 50$ giftcard. You aren't out any money. You will have 200$ in cash and a 50$ gift card which adds up to your 250$ purchase. Either spend the 50$ in the store on things you need, or sell the thing to a friend.

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#2 Update By Author

There is no deal to take Ashley,

AUTHOR: Theydonegoofed - Clayton (United States of America)

Hello Ashley,

Thank you for reading my report. I want you to understand that the main issue is that Target sold me a defective item to begin with. Advertising the sale of a new and properly working item and selling a customer a defective item to which they paid full price (a lemon) and not honoring the exchange of the defective item sold is a violation of my, yours, and everyone else’s consumer protection rights. It’s misleading to sell a defective item as “NEW” and not take responsibility for it when I customer wishes to exchange said defective item.
 
http://www.target.com/HelpContent?

help=/sites/html/TargetOnline/help/returns_and_refunds/targets_return_policy/targets_return
 
That link is helpful but this Return Policy does not address my issue of “Returning Defective Merchandise for Exchange” That is what this case is about. It’s also additionally why their “Guest Service Team” did not have a direct response or solution for this case.
 
“They owe you the value of the PS3 minus the 50$ giftcard, this is exactly per their posted and published return policy. If you return the game you get your 50$ giftcard. You aren't out any money. You will have 200$ in cash and a 50$ gift card which adds up to your 250$ purchase.”
 
That’s completely where you are wrong. I paid $249.99 for the system as it was purchased at full price. Along with a Warranty for the System for 29.99 which put my total purchase at $278.00.
 
The Gift card was a promotional offer and applied towards a game for the system. The offer had nothing to do with the purchase of the system no discounts or gift cards were applied towards my original cash purchase.
 
If I return the game to them I am basically returning the promotional offer so I receive nothing additional for the original purchase. They will simply restock the game and make a profit off of it. What I lose out on is $49.99 as they will simply only offer me the system for the value of $199.99 and a gift card for $49.99 (With the assumption that I will place that towards the purchase of a new properly working system since they will not honor the full value of $249.99 which is what I paid for the system).
 
Lets keep in mind that the system they sold me was defective and did not work to begin with. Target is not doing me any favor by having me return a promotional item to apply towards an exchange to receive a properly working system as they should have originally sold me. Would you want to pay $49.99 to receive a working item (something the store should have had originally sold you) and lose out on the promotional offer (the only reason you made your purchase at the store?).
 
The reason I went to return the unopened game was so that they could reverse the transactions. If the game is returned it will be a gift card for the said value of the $50 that is the promotional offer. If they have their “Promotional Gift card” card back that should allow me to receive the FULL CASH VALUE of $249.99 that I purchased the system for. It’s not a matter of simply returning a game it’s a matter of returning their promotional offer back to them. Yet another issue their return policy does not address.
 
The point is Targets gift card scam allows them to attract buyers and have them make purchases but locks them into a sale if they wish to return an item sold to them that is found out to be defective.
 
I shouldn’t have to go out my way to Sell a game to get $50.00 because their store refuses to honor a “clean” purchase return.
 
This all could have been avoided if they were not greedy and did the simple exchange for a working system to begin with.
 
 
Additionally if you believe any store employee has the right to tell you either take what they offer you or leave than it makes sense you would not see the grounds were action can be taken against them.
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#3 Consumer Comment

Send the dad-blasted thing to Sony to fix

AUTHOR: voiceofreason - (United States of America)

If I were you I'd send the bloody thing to Sony for repair. Why? My PS2 broke down only a couple months after buying. I sent it in under warranty to Sony direct, not some authorized affiliate, and got it back less than a month later. They even extended me another month on the warranty as compensation. And it's worked without issues for almost 10 years since. Sometimes, for some things, you're better off repairing the devil you already know than getting another possible problem in return.
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#4 Consumer Comment

Sometimes....

AUTHOR: Robert - Irvine (U.S.A.)

..Brevity is a good thing.  If you went to Target with your same approach of this novel I can see why nothing was done, because it is impossible to actually understand what you are trying to say.

If the PS3 was bad and you wanted to EXCHANGE, it would be returned at the $199 because they will deduct the gift card of $50 you received when you bought the PS3.   This is standard with any merchant when you receive something for "free".  They will deduct it's value if you happen to return the item.

So with the exchange having them "return" it at $199 was correct.  But what was not clear, is that in "selling" you the new one were they going to charge you $199(making it a true even exchange) or attempt to charge you another $50.  You never specifically said if during this attempted "exchange" that they did or did not say you needed to pay another $50?  

If they did then yes that would be a valid complaint.  But as I said if you talked to them like you wrote here it could also be a case where you saw their lips moving but were not "hearing" what they were telling you.

Now let's say you want to return it.  The same thing applies.
If you return it you will receive $199 because of the $50 Gift Card that you got.  If you want to return the game that you bought with that card, just like anything else bought on a Gift Card the money will be returned to that Gift Card because that was the original form of payment. 

As for them giving you the $50 for the Gift Card.  Them giving you a $50 Gift Card for purchasing the PS3 is no different than if you had gone in and handed them a $50 bill.   Where just like with any other merchant, you do not get cash back for gift card balances.

Oh and once you state anything that would infer that you are going to sue them or take other "legal" means what do you expect them to do?   Did you expect them to continue talking to you?  It was at that point he probably figured he wasn't going to get anywhere so he just walked away.  The "legal" threat is usually "end game" for this reason.  I guess he could have stayed and could have matched your "legal means" with his "legal means" when he called the police to have you escorted out of the store.  Actually I bet you would have liked to add that to your report.
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#5 Consumer Comment

Sometimes....

AUTHOR: Robert - Irvine (U.S.A.)

..Brevity is a good thing.  If you went to Target with your same approach of this novel I can see why nothing was done, because it is impossible to actually understand what you are trying to say.

If the PS3 was bad and you wanted to EXCHANGE, it would be returned at the $199 because they will deduct the gift card of $50 you received when you bought the PS3.   This is standard with any merchant when you receive something for "free".  They will deduct it's value if you happen to return the item.

So with the exchange having them "return" it at $199 was correct.  But what was not clear, is that in "selling" you the new one were they going to charge you $199(making it a true even exchange) or attempt to charge you another $50.  You never specifically said if during this attempted "exchange" that they did or did not say you needed to pay another $50?  

If they did then yes that would be a valid complaint.  But as I said if you talked to them like you wrote here it could also be a case where you saw their lips moving but were not "hearing" what they were telling you.

Now let's say you want to return it.  The same thing applies.

If you return it you will receive $199 because of the $50 Gift Card that you got.  If you want to return the game that you bought with that card, just like anything else bought on a Gift Card the money will be returned to that Gift Card because that was the original form of payment. 

As for them giving you the $50 for the Gift Card.  Them giving you a $50 Gift Card for purchasing the PS3 is no different than if you had gone in and handed them a $50 bill.   Where just like with any other merchant, you do not get cash back for gift card balances.
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#6 Consumer Comment

Sorry

AUTHOR: Ashley - springfield (U.S.A.)

but it being defective is not their problem. That's why you have a warranty on the item. Your warrantly covers you from manufacturer defects. Target did not intentionally sell you a defective PS3, I challenge you to prove that they did. There's no such thing as a "defective merchandise return" there's just a merchandise return. I linked you their policy, and from what you describe they are following it exactly.

As fo the rest, you do not believe that their policy is fair but its their policy. Companies are free to set whatever return policies they wish or have no return policy at all. My point is that they are following the return policy that they published. According to that, if you want a refund you will get 199.99 + a 50$ gift card for your purchase. That's the policy the company has and you can take the deal, or take nothing.

What I don't understand is why you haven't contacted sony (or whomever you hold your warranty through) about this? You clearly want the ps3, you can prove that its defective, it should be open and shut to get it replaced through the manufacturer.
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#7 Consumer Comment

Simple fix

AUTHOR: coast - (USA)

Contact Sony for warranty service. The end.
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#8 Consumer Comment

Hey, Ashley. The OP posted why.

AUTHOR: Flynrider - Phoenix (USA)

   In the original post, the OP expounded on his theory as to why the warranty was unnecessary :

Although I purchased the extended warranty I did not feel it would be logical to use a warranty on a NEW item as something sold as NEW should not require a warranty to be used when it has less that 30 hours of use on it.  "

   In his infinite wisdom, he has come to the conclusion that NEW items don't require warranties and that "30 hours of use" has some sort of significance in bolstering that fact.

   In short, this poster has long departed the realm of common sense and is well on his way to his personal universe, where arbritrary notions that pop into his head are in some way relevant.  Seriously, this person thinks that "NEW" items should not require warranties!   Imagine the time you would have saved if you just stopped reading at that point.
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#9 Consumer Comment

To flynrider:

AUTHOR: Ashley - springfield (U.S.A.)

Gosh yuo're absolutely correct! I forgot that "NEW" items never need warranties. There's no way that something "NEW" could ever be defective, I mean they are "NEW" after all. Things only show defects AFTER 30 hours of use.

Shame on me for being such an idiot. I'll go drink the kool aid now.
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