Camic Cockers Candy Courchesne Dog breeder of cocker spaniels Twin Falls, Massachusetts

I bought Marcus from a reputable breeder 3 months ago. Decided to sell him. Everything i said about Marcus was facts from breeder I got him from. Joe's Cockers, Billy Highlander in MO. wanted to buy Marcus. Sent me the money and shipping. THEN decided to research the people I got Marcus from and apparently she believed rumors about them.That's how all this bullshit started. By Becky not me. She acted like a child with false accusations towards them and myself. Marcus was breed by AI and his litter never registered.(ps you dont HAVE to register a litter if you dont want to) She wanted to cancel the sale over this hearsay. She wants the dog....doesnt want dog. I cancelled her first shipping date and made appointment with vet to confirm Marcus's sperm was working. I was proven right. The people I got him from were proven right. Marcus's breeder was proven right. The vet report said his sperm is perfect and effective.Yet like alot of cocker breeders she is mallious with her lies and threats OVER NOTHING!! For knowledge sake... you dont have to microchip your dog. you dont need a dna test either. all can be done by Becky if she wishes at her expense. Now shes stating i paid off my vet to give her a false report. Get a grip. No licensed vet will jepordized his practice over a sperm check. I mailed becky pictures of marcus at the vet with vet preforming the test. When becky's pups are born I will know exactly what date they were bred and prove her a liar again. People that breed cockers have nothing better to do than talk gossip and lies about other people who frankly dont deserve it. I am shipping her the dog. BUT I WISH I HAD THE MONEY TO SEND BACK TO HER INSTEAD. SHE DOESNT DESERVE TO HAVE THIS DOG. SHE A HORRIBLE women with no respect. I never said I wasnt sending the dog. I just moved the date to do the sperm check and she writes this false report, talks shit on a cocker forum. I will be hiring a lawyer about slander.

Billy Highlander apologized to me in an email and on the phone. Paid her half of the sperm check. I shipped the dog to her  today coming into springfield MO. at 540 pm as promoised. I will send her akc papers when she updates this report.

First off, we never said one word, ever, on any forum of any kind about this situation!  Second, our request for a refund was not based on "gossip".  We found out that the dog had never sired a registered litter, so we researched and found all previous owners.  We spoke to each one, personally, and none had ever had a litter by this dog, registered or not!  Candy failed to ever find the "son currently showing" that she sent us a picture of or ANY puppies every produced by this dog.  Since she told us that he was proven, we simply wanted a refund when we found out he wasn't.  Third, as far as the vet report, we did ask that the report have his microchip number on it as a way of identifying him as the dog that was actually tested.  His original breeder told us that he had a microchip already, so all the vet had to do was read it and write down the number.  Of course, this was not done, but a picture was taken.  We ended up accepting this report as valid and our intent was to retest him after his arrival.  We did nothing wrong here except pay almost $1900 for a champion cocker spaniel.

Now the long story on Candy and the games she played in selling this dog.  Besides misrepresenting him, of course.  Our original complaint was that she changed the scheduled date of the fertility test and shipping on this dog as she wanted to use Marcus for  breeding her female first.  (We had to ship our girl to IN for breeding because of this delay).  Well, the next week the vet appt and flight was rescheduled.  Test was done and shipping was suppose to be the next day, except late the night before, Candy decided she didn't want to ship him unless we agreed to pay an additional $100 for the test!!  She gave us one day to do this or she would then charge us for an additional health cert (as his would expire by then - due to HER delays), and boarding fees on top of the $100.  We told her we would pay half and she agreed.  Next day, she decided to add a few more commands before she shipped him.  We had to email AKC and ask about her record and email her the answer (?), we had to apologize to her and we had to wire the money that day - she would then ship him the following day.  We jumped thru hoops and did all she said and when we called to give her the number she needed to pick up the money that evening, she had found the ripoff report and demanded we remove it or she would not send the dog.  Her angry husband also called and there was a slew of angry emails all evening.  All demanding we "fix" this report or they were not sending him.  Also, stated they were returning the money - well, $400 until they got the rest.  We told them we would  update our report as soon as we received the dog or all of the money.  Candy demanded to know what we were going to say and we refused to tell her.  As of this morning she still stated that she was not sending the dog w/o this information.

Next we know, she sends us a flight number and time of arrival today for the dog!  We took off work early to drive the 2 hours to get him.  We were very happy, even if she was holding the papers until we posted something nice about her on ripoff.  We are only posting the truth and can think of nothing nice to say.  The dog was the butt of jokes at the airport as he smells HORRIBLE. No accidents is crate, just him.  Matted and ungroomed.  Just awful.  Crate he arrived in was nasty and broken.  The door actually fell off when the airport employees cut the zip ties to let him out.  It was all that was holding the door on.  Disgusting and should tell anyone what kind of environment this dog came from. 

Anyone should be aware of what Camic Cockers does during a sale.  Do not wire her the money, use paypal or some way you can prove the dog is paid in full.  Get a written guarantee on any pup or dog before you send any money.  Any breeder should be glad to stand behind their dogs - if they are not, go elsewhere.  This lady enjoys playing games and having the power to make others do what she says.  There is no compromising - she gives orders and you obey.  It was nightmare!   In the end, we do have the dog and he will be well cared for from now on.  We will simply file a complaint to AKC to get the papers.

This whole drama filled story is outrageous. Becky ONE: broke Terms of Service by posting this woman's location and phone number. TWO: Seems like she has done this before.
By looking at Camic's website, her dogs look clean, and very happy. I have met breeders at Cocker shows and have said very nice things about Camic Farm. They have a very spacious kennel for these dogs to live, a great home, and a great family.
It seems that Becky is definitely looking for someone to make them look bad.  I'm very sorry Camic Farm for this. I will definitely recommend you to my friends who are looking for this beautiful breed of dog. As for Marcus, I hope he is in a good place.

If anyone reads this:
1) bank wire is concrete proof you sent money to someone
2) i give a health and temperment guarantees on all my puppies i sell.
    i stand behind all my dogs 100%. i DO have a sales agreement.
now as far as marcus...becky:silvermoon cockers of nevada,MO never asked for a sales agreement in writing. I wouldnt guarantee a dog thats 4yrs old and ive owned for 3 months anyway. Becky knew how long ive had him. she knew i never bred him. she new i had no contract.she knew who i bought him from. YET SHE SENT ME THE MONEY FOR THE DOG ANYWAY. Because she knows $1500. is an extremely good price of a akc champion dog. As did i when i bought him. Now shes pissed SHE didnt do her homework. And shes bad mouthing me for no good reason. becky has never been here. but i have thousands of referrals from people. im akc inspected in june 2009 and are in compliance with my facilities and records.I had marcus tested to prove beckys lies to be false. HIs sperm works and will produce offspring which is what becky wants. so this will be my last reply to this garbage. she has her $1500 champion dog and her papers are on the way.
3) i have nothing to hide. anyone is welcome here at anytime. All my dogs have champion lines with show potential. All my adults are tested yearly for eye defects(CERF).
as you can see from the illegal posting of my personal info you all know where to find me.

Yes, I have the dog and hope to get the papers soon, so I am happy.  You can now quit accusing me of doing something wrong. I did nothing against any rules or terms.  I simply posted a complaint with ripoff - first time I have posted a complaint about anyone in over 20 years of raising cocker spaniels.  Your husband's(outsider?) post accused me of doing this before and I haven't.  Also, the only one who did do something against the terms is you, by telling me to remove my post or you would not send the dog and threatening to sue me.  Your rebuttals do not address what you did, but only make new accusations against me.

Again, I did nothing wrong here, in any way.  I did have to research the dog's history only because you lied and said he was proven and even sent pics of his supposed offspring.  I had no reason to think that was not true at the time.  Who would say this without knowing?  You should have done the research, not us, BEFORE you claimed a false statement.  You even made us pay for the test to prove the statement that YOU made!  Which we did, to get the dog! 

As far as the condition of the dog, it is horrible!  His ears are awful and so infected that it was obvious to our vet that this has been present for quite some time.  He has had to be totally shaved down due to all the mats throughout his coat.  We have never been to your place nor know the condition of any of you cockers, cockapoos or chihauhaus.  We only can state the condition that this dog was in when you sent him to us.  HORRIBLE!

We have told no lies on anything.  We will take much better care of this dog than you did, by keeping his coat brushed and his ears medicated for quite some time.  After his much needed bath upon arrival, he has remained in the house with us. As far as we are concerned this whole mess will be over as soon as the paperwork arrives.  Please quit accusing US of doing something wrong, as we will not let it pass w/o defending ourselves and are really quite tired of the situation. 

look becky, you stop, i will. you lie, I lie.....whatever.
your right, its over. This is all bullsh*t. Lets leave it at that.

you say you want to stop yet your bullsh*t still continues.
on your website you post more lies. when is it gonna end?
he had a health cerf 10 days ago. i think the vet would have wrote down
"EAR INfection" if he "HAD" one.  Small matts on chest,yes, not "MATTED".
More of your exaggerations.You can easily brush him out. I asked you if you wanted him shaved. no answer. It is winter you know. i know all your dogs dont live in the house. where do they live anyway?? Smelly yes...The dog cologne was gross. i didnt know it till it was too late.I already sprayed it on him. you make it sound like he was rolling around in shit. I know you have an active imagination...why dont you use it with the use of accurate words. SO IF YOU WANT TO STOP....STOP!

OH MY GOD YOU ARE SO REDICULIOUS!
!) you called me and volunteered to pay half of the test. i didnt make you wire me more
    money you did that on your own.
2) that picture and statement of marcus's offspring came from the guys i got him from 3 months ago. i had no reason NOT to believe them. so stop saying i lied about it knowly.
I sent you the name of the person who had a litter by him. Just cause she didnt reg the litter thru akc doesnt not mean he didnt have puppies. SO THAT IS NOT A FALSE STATEMENT!Its fact.YOU CHOOSE NOT TO BELIEVE IT. I CAN PROVE IT. CAN YOU?? NOPE.
3) cockers yes, chihuahuas yes, cockerpoos no. thats my friends dog. but you breed
    papillons too...your point.Most show people have two breeds.  You have a friend,well you did till you screwed her, but she told you all about my place.And had nothing but great things to tell you. shes been here several times.  oh what...she lies too.
thats right, you dont believe anybody about anything.
4) a dog cant get a "closed" ear in 3months. he didnt not have an ear infection when he left here. call the vet. she would have wrote that on the health certificate. My proof.
5) you say you want this over yet you keep up with your lies about marcus and me.
6) Why dont you just be happy you have a champion dog for $1500. marcus is a great dog. And never contact me again sounds great.
7)I'll watch your web site for your puppies you have due by the dog you claimed you sent your bitch out to. count back 63 days of the date of birth to see if you lied again.proof.
8) it would be great if you stopped now. you keep saying that, but have not followed thru with it yet.

We had no intention to reply any longer to your accusing posts but....we are not the ones that lie.  Have not done so once!!!!!! We have not screwed over anyone!!!

You lied from the very first reply to us.  Stating this dog was proven and had a "son in show" which you NEVER proved either!  There are NO known puppies from this dog! Not even from that lady! 

You lied when you said he had Cerfs.  Never saw them or any proof of this.

You lied when you said you would test him on the 14th and ship on the 15th.  Didn't do either as we wanted, but did whatever you wanted, which was to wait so you could use him yourself for breeding (we felt he was already our dog as he had been paid for by over a week at this time).

You lied when you rescheduled both the test and the shipping the following week.  Didn't ship then either.  Not because we were not waiting for him still, but because you demanded $100 additional payment for the test before we could have him!  And stated you would add more charges if this was not paid immediately.

You lied when you said you asked if we wanted him groomed.  Never happened, just assumed he would be since we have raised cockers for over 20 years and it is common practice to always send a dog out groomed and clean.

Lied when you said I screwed a friend.  This "friend" has a beautiful 2 year old cocker she bought from us as a pup that is the love of her life.  Brought the dog to you for stud service last Oct - which was unsuccessful.  She is due another try for free.  She told us she would NEVER leave her girl there again, but pay for a motel so she would not have to.  Told us the dogs live in a barn and it is NOT nice at all.  Also stated that you said she could not use this "champion" as a stud as you had already tried him with a couple of your females and he was unable to breed (this was Oct. and you bought him Sept 11).  She simply did not want to make you mad as you still owe her a breeding that she has paid for and also AKC papers on an 8 month old pup she bought from you 6 months ago.  Said she would not get either if she did not lie to you.  Never screwed her over in any way.  Another lie and another example of how you do business.

LIed when you said the dog was not filthy or had severe ear infections.  Anyone from the airport when he arrived, to the vet appt the following day will state the same thing.  Crate was broken, nasty.  Dog smelled horrible and was a matted mess and he has two severe ear infections.  You can call OUR vet!  It would be a lot of people lying here -- not just us.

 
Guess this could go on forever, but we are done now.  We did not screw over a friend nor anybody else.   We simply believed what somebody said when they listed a dog for sale. Drop it.  It is over, thank goodness.

Just a note of this "friend".  Please do not ask her to post anything, as she was an innocent bystander, who you dragged into this and made her do things that she was very uncomfortable doing -- like forwarding our emails to you.  She talked to us by phone because of this.  Stated she did not like being in the middle and doing this, but she had no  choice as you still owe her papers and a breeding.  We told her to lie and do whatever she needed to do here.  THAT is why she says whatever you tell her to. What she says by phone is a whole different story. 

you just wont stop with your bullsh*t.
you dragged sharon into this not me. you emailed her and called her with your hearsay. i have all the conversations you had. want me to post them? we shall see what transpires.
your right though.YOUR not worth the trouble. thats for dam sure.