#1 Owner of Company
AUTHOR: Shannon Vass - Poplar Bluff (United States of America)
SUBMITTED: Thursday, February 09, 2012
POSTED: Thursday, February 09, 2012
My name is Shannon Vass owner of cripple creek great Danes in Poplar Bluff missouri. We did indeed do a trade of puppies that I totally funded. Bailey Rubenking received a fawn female from and in return us a white with black markings male. Bandit the pup we received came hand raised from Bailey due to her rushing his mother into an unnecessary csection then not leaving her overnight for observation. She too died from seizures the very day of her csection. Bailey also had 3-4 pups out pf the litter put to sleep within the week.....reason unknown. Another puppy also had a seizure disorder but was sold in that condition as well. My bandit arrived to me at the airport skinny, malnourished and hair falling out. Upon vet inspection he was deemed unilaterally deaf and possibly blind in one eye not to mention malnutrition. I awoke the sat after receiving him to him having a seizure in his crate. He was taken to the vet immediately where after the longest hour wait of my life I was informed he did not make it. Bailey did not offer to help with necropsy until after thedate I gave her that the vet told me they could hold his body. Bailey has done nothing but slander and harass my husband and I to the point of involving law enforcement to make her stop. Just to clarifythings. Sasha my female great dane was bred in her second heat as recommended by my vet and Miles my male is a fawn with white markings. No collar only a white spot on his neck. He is registered as a fawn with white markings. My dogs DNA is on file with AKC. This woman will do nothing short of crazy and has proved herself unworthy in the great dane world. I was warned numerous times about her reputation and should have listened. We all learn from our mistakes. She also attempted to slander me on eBay classifieds until eBay recognized she was putting fraudulent claims on their site. Thanks to all that have read my story sad as it may be.
#2 Consumer Comment
AUTHOR: J D - Houston (United States of America)
SUBMITTED: Thursday, February 09, 2012
POSTED: Thursday, February 09, 2012
I just wanted to go on record as saying that I am the person who purchased the puppy you reference above as having "seizure disorders." Star has been immaculately healthy since the day we received her. She has not had a single health issue and has had a clean bill of health from my vet (a Dane specialist) in the 3 visits he has had with her. She has tested negative for a variety of possible illnesses, and on Tuesday will be undergoing a pre-surgery MRI and bloodwork to confirm she is healthy enough for her ear cropping.
I don't want you to use Star as support or evidence in your argument against Bailey, as it is untrue information you are reporting. The dog I purchased from Bailey does NOT have seizure disorders.
#3 Update By Author
AUTHOR: Bailey - San Antonio (United States of America)
SUBMITTED: Thursday, February 09, 2012
POSTED: Thursday, February 09, 2012
Ok lets read the FACTS here! At Cognitodanes we have NOTHING to hide! Its all on our website!
1) My vet is Leaon Valley Vet #210-681-1391 call them anytime! Shannon Vass who is your vet?!?!?
2) Phantom had an emergancy C-section on 11/23/11 at 630 pm for fetal distress and first puppy stuck. No she didnot stay the night it was Thanksgiving the next day and NO one would be in the office to care for her or the babies. Any question refer to #1
3) Yes Phantom passed 6 hours after surger due to a blood clot any questions refer to #1
4) 7 puppies were born: 2 Female Harls, 1 merl female, 2 merle males, 1 light harl "Bandit" and 1 male merlequin.. and the age of 2 weeks we did loose 1 puppy a male merle to coccidia any questions refer to #1
5) Phantom did NOT have a siezure disorder Please call Michele: 713-542-0533 or
Michele@AdventureKennels.com at adventure kennels Im sure she would have something to say about this lie on her breeding lines!
6) Bandit left Tx with a health cert and recoders from my vet and airlines and questions refer to #1
7) Shannon Vass where are all of Sequoias vet recoreds and what vet did you take her to?!?!
8) Shannon Vass what vet did you take Bandit to the can back up your claims?!?!? where is the vet report to back this story up?!?!
9) Miles does have a white colloar that we were NOT told about!
10) If you call AKC or put in their AKC number you do NOT get a #V for DNA so until that is provided that is a false statement on their webiste.. Kodi our male IS DNA'd with AKC and his #V is on our website why cause with have NOTHING to hide!
11) Im sure if you google great dane breeders in Poplur Bluff, MO and you call the one you find she might have a good story of a run in she had with Shannon over a puppy they sold to her.
12) Yes Shannon did deliver Sequoia (fawn puppy) from MO to TX and paid for the shipping of Bandit to MO from TX only because it was her way to make up the difference in puppy cost. My puppy Bandit (Harl Puppy) was listed for $1500 and Sequoia was listed for $600
13) And again I ask Shannon Vass who is the Vet the saw Bandit that can back up your claims?!?!?! your provide that information and I will retract all this and apologize but until there is WRITTEN proof for a VET and or I talk to that vet this is all LIES!!!!
14) I have included pictures to show how this puppy looked the day she got him, pictures of Miles with the white collar and the NO DNA in AKC! Those pictures are of Shannon Vass holding Bandit at the airport... If he was under weight, loosing hair and possibly blind why are you so HAPPY in these picutures!?!?!?
#4 Owner of Company
AUTHOR: Shannon Vass - Poplar Bluff (United States of America)
SUBMITTED: Thursday, February 09, 2012
POSTED: Thursday, February 09, 2012
Fact is Bailey Rubenking has not been given my vets name nor number for this exact reason. I do not wish for her to persecute them injustly as she has me! Not hard to read between the lines. She cant advertise her false allegations on ebay classifieds anymmore. No one believes her on facebook and the whole ordeal has made her look like a crazy person pointing a guilty finger in the wrong direction. She hasbeen told by the police not to call or text me now the only way she can try and get at me is through a site on the internet........as entertaining as it has all been this will be my last post although i am sure you havent heard the last from her because it is very important for Bailey Rubenking to get the last word in. Most importantly RIP Bandit.
#5 Consumer Comment
AUTHOR: setyoustraight2011 - (USA)
SUBMITTED: Thursday, February 09, 2012
POSTED: Thursday, February 09, 2012
I don't see how what you are stating is helping you at all. I will break it down for you.
You stated that
"Bandit, the pup we received came hand raised from Bailey due to her rushing his mother into an unnecessary csection then not leaving her overnight for observation. She too died from seizures the very day of her csection."
This is not true. I know The breeder that Phantom came from. There are no Seizure disorders in her lines. As The breeder whelped and raised Phantom, and only rehomed her because she kept rolling around in her poop when she used the restroom in her crate.
The C section that Phantom had WAS, I repeat, WAS Very much Necessary. As Phantom's body was not responding to her that she was in labor. Phantom did have complications with the labor and delivery obviously, if she couldn't free whelp on her own because of a puppy getting stuck also. Phantom did NOT Die from Seizures. She died from complications from the surgery. She obviously had a stressful time trying to deliver the puppies. Which was why I told Bailey to get Phantom into a vets office so she can have a C Section to deliver the pups. Stressful surgery, stressful labor/delivery, It can be very hard on an animal. To say such awful things about Phantom when you had actually no idea what was going on. I have known Bailey far more longer than you. I have known who Phantom was even before Bailey received Phantom.
Second you stated that "Bailey also had 3-4 pups out pf the litter put to sleep within the week.....reason unknown. "
This is Untrue. I have seen the pups and pictures of the pups when they were delivered via C Section that same night. I remember exactly how many Phantom had. Again, that was a false accusation made by you, Shannon Vass. Please get your facts straight before you start making such outrageous attempts to cover your A**. It's not working.
Thirdly, you say "My bandit arrived to me at the airport skinny, malnourished and hair falling out. Upon vet inspection he was deemed unilaterally deaf and possibly blind in one eye not to mention malnutrition"
As I see in the pictures, Bandit did not look Malnourished, and hair falling out. I have met Bandit before he was shipped to you. I have seen what he looked like and let's just say. SHAME ON YOU!! Those are LIES. Bandit was my favorite out of Phantom/Kodi's Litter. If he wasn't already promised to you, He would have been with me!! AND ALIVE, I am sure! But also, There is no proof that he is dead because you will not give any information on the vet. Since Bailey is the breeder of the pups, She has every right to know absolutely everything about her pups! You better hope and pray she doesn't take you to court here in Texas. Texas Judges are not very nice! And they don't like Liars!
Fourthly, You also State "Upon vet inspection he was deemed unilaterally deaf and possibly blind in one eye not to mention malnutrition. I awoke the sat after receiving him to him having a seizure in his crate. He was taken to the vet immediately where after the longest hour wait of my life I was informed he did not make it. "
Again, Bailey has proof that you knew he was partially deaf. Being Deaf is not genetic. Neither is being blind. You knew there was a chance that he could be blind/deaf. You picked him anyway. So Please do not state all over your facebook that you did not know. Bailey has proof, that you knew. AND you still wanted him anyway! You also say the "vet deem him.." Sweetheart, Until I see PROOF that you took Bandit to a vet, Then I DEEM YOU to be making false accusations!
Fifthly, Again, your statement " I awoke the sat after receiving him to him having a seizure in his crate. He was taken to the vet immediately where after the longest hour wait of my life I was informed he did not make it. Bailey did not offer to help with necropsy until after thedate I gave her that the vet told me they could hold his body."
I have been curious as to WHY, on the SAME day that Bandit "died", you posted the next same morning/day looking for another AKC Mantle/black male puppy. Who the hell does that?? If it was me, I would have been too Devastated to be looking for another puppy right after I just lost one! That sounds a little...fishy to me. I also have messages that was sent to my personal facebook of you showing no remorse for your puppy to another breeder friend of mine, who, by the way, WILL NOT EVER SELL YOU A PUPPY!!! I know people, she knows people. Believe me when I say, Word will get around about you! Until you prove his death, Not very many breeders will trust you with a puppy of theirs.
Sixth, Your statement: "Bailey has done nothing but slander and harass my husband and I to the point of involving law enforcement to make her stop."
well Heck, If It was me and one of my puppies. I would have been already In MO knocking on your door demanding answers about what happened to my pup! Yes you may have contacted Law Enforcement where you are located. But Hunny, they can not do anything! This is a different STATE, DIFFERENT JURISDICTION!! I am sure The police have better things to do than worry about your petty complaints about someone hundreds of miles away.
Lastly, you stated " Bailey has done nothing but slander and harass my husband and I to the point of involving law enforcement to make her stop. Just to clarifythings. Sasha my female great dane was bred in her second heat as recommended by my vet and Miles my male is a fawn with white markings. No collar only a white spot on his neck. He is registered as a fawn with white markings. My dogs DNA is on file with AKC. This woman will do nothing short of crazy and has proved herself unworthy in the great dane world. I was warned numerous times about her reputation and should have listened. We all learn from our mistakes. She also attempted to slander me on eBay classifieds until eBay recognized she was putting fraudulent claims on their site. Thanks to all that have read my story sad as it may be."
I don't believe in breeding any dog under the age of 12-15 months. I don't care if it was her Second heat like you claim. It is a major NO NO! And your vet is a Moron. IMO. You say Bailey is nothing short of crazy and has proved herself unworthy in the Dane world...hmmm. Really? People have their own opinions on Bailey. I don't think you can dub them unworthy if all they are trying to do is find out the truth about Bandit! Again, if you claim he is dead, show proof.
Other than that, your word means nothing. You may have been warned numerous times about Bailey, But I am sure I know from who. Maybe that is why you still went ahead and took Bandit. You probably killed him yourself. With the way you are acting and from the vibes I get from your rebuttals, I wouldn't put it past you. You are an awful breeder and your Adult Danes do not represent the breed. Maybe you should start over with Danes that Look like REAL DANES. Instead of ones that look like lab mixes.
#6 Employee
AUTHOR: Platinum Danes - Corpus Christi (United States of America)
SUBMITTED: Friday, February 10, 2012
POSTED: Friday, February 10, 2012
Ok, Phantom was from my Kennel. She has never had a Seizure, no health issues. She had a clean bill of health and had produced two perfect litters prior to this in her life. To claim you know her health and her "issues" with her health is crap, do you have her Vet records??? NO! Bailey and I do. She never had a seizure until the morning after her pups were born at Just 5 years of age. There was only one pup that had health issues "seizure" wise, and she went to a loving, caring home. Who love her regardless if she is not perfect....SO!!! Where is bandit?? If he really "died" then why is it such a quest to just give the proper information of the vet to whom you claim you took him to! This is insane, it is a simple request, as a breeder you should respect the request of the original breeder this pup came from! You may have done a trade, but these dogs are living, breathing creatures with a soul, and we care about them. Both Bailey and I keep in touch with every one who we have sold a puppy to. So he wasn't perfect, there was warning given that he could possibly be deaf, and you opted to still take him, he was not malnourished, and had a clean bill of health two days prior coming into your possession. Did you sell him cause he wasn't a prefect breeding dog??? Where is he really????? Something is not right!!!
#7 Consumer Comment
AUTHOR: Shannon Vass - Poplar Bluff (United States of America)
SUBMITTED: Friday, February 10, 2012
POSTED: Friday, February 10, 2012
My name is Jerry Sterling. My wife Angela and I proudly adopted a male blue fawn now named Zues from these people. We drove a long way to get him and he was worth every penny. Their dogs are big well built, well mannered dogs. Their home and family were inviting and their kennel facitilies were clean and well suited for the size dogs they have. Their puppy room was right next to the house and did NOT SMELL like some places we opted out of getting a puppy. You could tell puppies were raised with love and care. I dont know nor do i care whats going on between these 2 breeders but as a consumer and a person that has personally viewed their animals I found it meaning ful to post this going on the record as a very satisfied consumer! We were given all shot records and a vet name and I think if Ms. Vass is being harrassed the smartest thing she could do is NOT give out her vet info to these "people" that are harrassing her. I called the vet on the records they gave me and I had to have her call to give a release before they gave me ANY info! They did indeed give me info such as my puppy had his dew claws removed there and he had a clean bill of health. This breeder has been nothing but good to us and the proof is in my puppy.
#8 Consumer Suggestion
AUTHOR: nonsense - Blaphemy (United States of America)
SUBMITTED: Friday, February 10, 2012
POSTED: Friday, February 10, 2012
Ha! I am sure you wouldnt be so quick to defend Bailey and her story if you knew all the pictures she sent to random of your home while she was there for "support" after the c section of your puppies! how about the feces covered floors of your house or in your intelligent words CRAP! Covering your floors! Of your home where you reside with a small child. How about the stories that she rescued Phantom from such poor living conditions at your house and she didnt know how you lived in such filth! Oh yes this is from your breeding partner in crime. STRAIGHT FROM YOUR S*** COVERED FLOOR TO HER PHONE TO WHO KNOWS. She also called Phantoms original breeder to make sure you had not falsified Phantoms papers. How does it feel to be so checked up on now? How about the puppies you rescued off the street you had living in a spare bedroom that Bailey claimed you had not fed the whole time she stayed there? Bailey talks crap about all the people she breeds with including Sofia Harnett. Sofia! Bailey spreads around that she doesnt know how you afford all these danes with your husbands salary on 11.00 hr! Sofia how about Bailey talking badly about the size of your house is about the size of a box and that there is NOT enough room for you and all those danes and last of all she wishes she never bred Kodi to Brooke because all you do is talk stuff behind her back too about how she does not adhere to AKC code of ethics. Good move removing her website link from yours. Precious Hearts Danes! You are another Bailey talks about! Think Bailey is your friend? She is only out for herself so watch your back! I was a good facebook friend too until I saw how she does people. So to make a long story short of all 30 people that EVER read this report.....will only be the ones that Bailey tries to smash on the web. Hope someone sticks it to her good someday but I understand why Shannon would want no more of this non sense. Smart person staying away from it all. NONSENSE.
#9 Consumer Comment
AUTHOR: setyoustraight2011 - (USA)
SUBMITTED: Friday, February 10, 2012
POSTED: Friday, February 10, 2012
I am sure what you are stating is probably correct. But not all the information in that paragraph that you posted is true. Bailey has never been into my house, she has drove to my house, stayed out in the yard, but that is about it. She does not know my husband's salary, nor what he brings home a week. Just because she may not know how I can afford My Danes does not mean I can't afford them. I don't spend money on things I do not need. Like getting my hair done and etc.
My husband does not make the amount stated. Nor do I think it is anyone's business on what he makes. He does what he needs to do to take care of our's. He is a hardworking man. And this has nothing to do with him at all.
I don't care who follows the GDCA color code of Ethics. I don't care if she regrets breeding Brook to Kodi. It is Done. Gotta live with it. If she is saying all these things, Than why would she want to breed Kodi to my Mis marked mantle, Love?
But the whole point of this report is about Bandit. Not to air out people's dirty laundry. So let's stick to the topic.
also, If Shannon has nothing to hide, why did she shut down her website?
Precious Hearts Danes has nothing to do with this. So leave her out of it. Nor does she care about the drama.
#10 Update By Author
AUTHOR: Bailey - San Antonio (United States of America)
SUBMITTED: Friday, February 10, 2012
POSTED: Friday, February 10, 2012
Ok everyone can come on here and bash everyone but really isnt that what Facebook is for! Whole point of this report was to find out what happened to Bandit!!!! To show that Shannon Vass is making nasty cliams and has NO proof to back it up! If Bandit really died WHY cant the proof be given!?!?!
Jerry Sterling REALLY you have vet records cause my sequoia is a litter mate to your puppy and they DID NOT get shots at a vets! Shannon Vass got them at the feed store and did their first shots at 5 weeks old I have the picture of the label she sent me after she dropped Sequoia off to me in GreenVille becasue she had NO vet records for the puppy!! so your post means NOTHING to this report unless you can answer the question WHERE IS BANDIT AND WHAT VET CAN BACK UP HER CLAIMS!!!
The Business with me a Sofia, YES Sofia and I have had our differences! We were are both adults and we handle our differences like so! No I dont regret breeding to Brook! Yes Sofia does NOT have my link on her page becasue I told her NOT to add it at this time since my website was being redone and was not up and running the time of the breeding! And for her husbands income I do NOT know how much he make nor do I CARE! NEVER been inside her house!
And for Precious Hearts HOW and WHY did she get brought into this!?!?! Tonya the owner of Presious Hearts has NEVER done anything to me or my breeding! She has ONLY been there to help and was on the phone with me the night Phantom passed, was there to offer an ear when my Phanotm passed... So LEAVE her out of this!!
AGAIN THE POINT OF THIS REPORT IS WHERE IS BANDIT AND WHAT TRULY HAPPENED TO HIM!!!! SO TAKE YOUR DRAMA TO FACEBOOK AND LEAVE THIS REPORT TO WHAT ITS INTENT IS FOR AND THAT IS THE TRUTH TO FIND OUT WHAT HAPPENED TO BANDIT IN THE CARE OF THIS BYB SHANNON VASS OF CRIPPLE CREEK GREAT DANES!
Also if Shannon Vass has nothing to hide WHY did she shut down her website?!?!?
#11 Owner of Company
AUTHOR: Shannon Vass - Poplar Bluff (United States of America)
SUBMITTED: Friday, February 10, 2012
POSTED: Saturday, February 11, 2012
This is Shannon's husband, and Bailey you have been warned by law enforcement, not to do the things you are doing. By posting my wifes name, picture, and telephone number that is all considered harrassment. I am giving you 24 hours to remove all of these thing from this post or I will be turning this over to the police and filing criminal charges against you. Again you have 24 hours to either remove these or have them removed or face the consequences. I'm guessing having the police tell you not to do these thing was not enough for you your going to have to end up in jail to realize you are breaking the law. And as far as what happend to OUR puppy thats none of your damn business it's just like any other item thats traded or sold once relinquish the item to the next owner it's no longer your nor do you have any rights to know a damn thing about anything that goes on with the item traded or sold. For being an educated peroson your really dense. But back to the reason i'm posting it is now 11pm cst on 2-10-12 I will be turning this over to the law enforcement and the law enforcement cyber divison on 2-12-12 if the name, numbers, and photos are not removed by this date and that a little move than 24 hours. And I'm the one that has redirected the web page due to people like you stealing pictures to post on stupid places like this.
Chris Vass
Owner CripplecreekGreatdanes
#12 Update By Author
AUTHOR: Bailey - San Antonio (United States of America)
SUBMITTED: Saturday, February 11, 2012
POSTED: Saturday, February 11, 2012
Chris, it is my business! That puppy was loved and cared for with ever once of my heart! This is site is made for people to post on! For law enforcement I'm not to contact you! Please take me to court so you have to prove that Bandit passed! I don't think you will go far telling the judge it's none of my business! And your lack of emotion and calling that puppy an item just proves he was not loves like he was with us! Just remember your wife posted my name, number and website on here... I want proof of Bandits death the puppy I RAISED & LOVED!
#13 Consumer Comment
AUTHOR: anonymous - Victoria (United States of America)
SUBMITTED: Saturday, February 11, 2012
POSTED: Saturday, February 11, 2012
Now this is getting really silly! Just because you (MIGHT) have a criminal record does not mean you get to pass the bar exam LOL! I find this more entertaining when a male jumps in between females fighting.. I call that being a B^&CH. If you Mr. Chris Vass have a case that will hold up in court then FILE it.... being Civil Court of course.. you would know that ;) But to stay on this page and threaten what you are going to do... instead of doing it.. since you assume you have a case.. makes you look like the stupid one. And I have never heard of a police officer calling someone on the phone and telling them to behave LOL! You got jokes silly man! Second a puppy is not an "item" it is a living being... but then it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that out .. but I guess with someone people if they do not value the life of a living being then I guess you can call it an item.. Be a MAN Chris Vass and do what you have to do and stop being a B&*CH and fighting among females.. it isn't becoming!
#14 Consumer Comment
AUTHOR: anonymous - Victoria (United States of America)
SUBMITTED: Saturday, February 11, 2012
POSTED: Saturday, February 11, 2012
Mr. LVN Stop acting like you are a lawyer.. remember what you do for a living and it does not entail areas of the law. DO NOT THREATEN Bailey again! She had a simple request and that was to know what happened to the puppy and this is where it took off from there... People that are forthcoming are easier to believe then people that at deceptive. This whole thing stinks.... but I will say this your 24 hour warning means about as much as a fake lottery ticket. Nothing will be removed. So now you do not have to wait 24 hours. Your state laws are not the same as Texas.... but then how would you know that when you clean bed pans for a living.... (just sayin') Pets for Profit.... get a second job you might come out better in the long run. But I have looked over the facts... I have looked over the proof that Bailey Rubenking has... and I must say unless you are holding back a whole lot of information.. there is something we say here in Texas .... " You got to know when to hold'em and know when to fold'em.
#15 Update By Author
AUTHOR: Bailey - San Antonio (United States of America)
SUBMITTED: Saturday, February 11, 2012
POSTED: Saturday, February 11, 2012
Chris and Shannon, I can sue your wife for slander seeing how it was her that started this war by making public claims about the health of the puppy I produced! Shannon stated he was malnourished, under weight, hair falling out, deaf and blind and had hip problems already. Posting the TRUTH is NOT slander, However; you REFUSE to provide vet documentation to back up your slanderous remarks. Without proof it is hear-say and defamation of character. I can sue Shannon for whatever I lists in her law suit and I can also sue Shannon for any damages or potential loss done to Cognito Danes reputation! For a breeding program those fees can add up, that im sure you are well aware of since you too are a breeder!
As im reading these post and rebutles I cant help but chuckle at the things Shannon and Chris are stating. Shannon, who goes looking for another puppy soon after the death of the one you claimed you loved so much? Im sorry, but that is just wrong!! In fact, so much of everything taking place is just wrong!! I have every right to assume your not telling the truth about the death of Bandit. Was it not you who told me that you would provide me with a copy of the Necropsy? Was it not you who said you were on your way to the bank to withdraw funds for the Necropsy? Funny how you changed your mind about getting the Necropsy only AFTER I asked you for a copy of the report!! Then you start slandering me on Facebook and now on Rip Off Report about health claims that YOU refuse to back up with proof!! Like I said, your story does not add up!!
Shannon, its only looking bad for you by not providing me with vet documentation as to what happened to the puppy I sent you. You look like the guilty party to me and pretty much everyone else following along with this report! You think only 30 people are reading this? PLEASE..... Any potential puppy buyer of yours that decides to type search your name and or kennel name before, during or after purchasing your puppy, will find this report! So why wont you provide me with vet proof of what your claiming? Ahhh Yes,,,,, Your defense is that if you provide me with your vet info, I will then in-turn harass your vet just like im doing to you now! Frankly I dont see how I am harassing you, but ok! However my question is, How do you KNOW that I will harass your vet? Isnt your vet an Adult? Dont you think that he/she can speak for them selves on whether or not they want to speak with me in regards to Bandit? And should I get out of line and start "harassing" them as you say I will, then he/she needs to hoist up their big kid britches, be an adult and press charges on me them selves! Tell me Shannon, if I as a potential puppy buyer had asked to speak with your vet like many do, would you deny me or grant me permission? If you grant me permission, then how is this any different from allowing me to speak with your vet? Oh yes, harassment! Ok, Better yet here is one for you that you cant argue..... Why dont you contact MY VET and give HIM your vet info and allow MY VET to speak with your vet in regards to Bandit!!!
As far as where I and many others stand, it appears to us that you are the guilty party and that you culled that puppy either through your vet or done by your own hand, or you re-sold him to another party on CKC papers. Your plan was to tell me he is dead! Only problem is you were not expecting me to investigate this situation and now your stuck..... Guess you wernt expecting me to put a stop on his akc papers either, where you? Oh yeah I remember what you told me about falsifying akc papers!! Just like you wernt expecting me to have Bandits Micro-chip placed in my name!!
So tell all of us Shannon, If this is all untrue then PROVE IT! Prove that Bandit is dead!!! Give me or my vet permission to speak with your vet in regards to Bandit or provide me with a certified death certificate with full description of Bandit on letter head paper signed by the attending vet along with full detailed report of Bandits exam outlining all these poor health claims for proof!!
I doubt you will!! But I certainly do feel sorry for you.... I suggest you pray that I decide not to take you to court for slandering me and my kennel name!!
Shannon Vass, Your actions speak louder than words!!
Definition of SLANDER
transitive verb
1. to utter slander against : defame
2. defamation; calumny: rumors full of slander.
3. a malicious, false, and defamatory statement or report: a slander against his good name.
4. Law . defamation by oral utterance rather than by writing, pictures, etc.
Defamation, which is sometimes known as "defamation of character."
Defamation is false and unprivileged spoken words or written publication, which exposes any living person to hatred, contempt, ridicule, or which causes him/her to be shunned or avoided, or which has a tendency to injure him/her in his/her trade or occupation.
#16 Update By Author
AUTHOR: Bailey - San Antonio (United States of America)
SUBMITTED: Saturday, February 11, 2012
POSTED: Saturday, February 11, 2012
Chris and Shannon, I can sue your wife for slander seeing how it was her that started this war by making public claims about the health of the puppy I produced! Shannon stated he was malnourished, under weight, hair falling out, deaf and blind and had hip problems already. Posting the TRUTH is NOT slander, However; you REFUSE to provide vet documentation to back up your slanderous remarks. Without proof it is hear-say and defamation of character. I can sue Shannon for whatever I lists in her law suit and I can also sue Shannon for any damages or potential loss done to Cognito Danes reputation! For a breeding program those fees can add up, that im sure you are well aware of since you too are a breeder!
As im reading these post and rebutles I cant help but chuckle at the things Shannon and Chris are stating. Shannon, who goes looking for another puppy soon after the death of the one you claimed you loved so much? Im sorry, but that is just wrong!! In fact, so much of everything taking place is just wrong!! I have every right to assume your not telling the truth about the death of Bandit. Was it not you who told me that you would provide me with a copy of the Necropsy? Was it not you who said you were on your way to the bank to withdraw funds for the Necropsy? Funny how you changed your mind about getting the Necropsy only AFTER I asked you for a copy of the report!! Then you start slandering me on Facebook and now on Rip Off Report about health claims that YOU refuse to back up with proof!! Like I said, your story does not add up!!
Shannon, its only looking bad for you by not providing me with vet documentation as to what happened to the puppy I sent you. You look like the guilty party to me and pretty much everyone else following along with this report! You think only 30 people are reading this? PLEASE..... Any potential puppy buyer of yours that decides to type search your name and or kennel name before, during or after purchasing your puppy, will find this report! So why wont you provide me with vet proof of what your claiming? Ahhh Yes,,,,, Your defense is that if you provide me with your vet info, I will then in-turn harass your vet just like im doing to you now! Frankly I dont see how I am harassing you, but ok! However my question is, How do you KNOW that I will harass your vet? Isnt your vet an Adult? Dont you think that he/she can speak for them selves on whether or not they want to speak with me in regards to Bandit? And should I get out of line and start "harassing" them as you say I will, then he/she needs to hoist up their big kid britches, be an adult and press charges on me them selves! Tell me Shannon, if I as a potential puppy buyer had asked to speak with your vet like many do, would you deny me or grant me permission? If you grant me permission, then how is this any different from allowing me to speak with your vet? Oh yes, harassment! Ok, Better yet here is one for you that you cant argue..... Why dont you contact MY VET and give HIM your vet info and allow MY VET to speak with your vet in regards to Bandit!!!
As far as where I and many others stand, it appears to us that you are the guilty party and that you culled that puppy either through your vet or done by your own hand, or you re-sold him to another party on CKC papers. Your plan was to tell me he is dead! Only problem is you were not expecting me to investigate this situation and now your stuck..... Guess you wernt expecting me to put a stop on his akc papers either, where you? Oh yeah I remember what you told me about falsifying akc papers!! Just like you wernt expecting me to have Bandits Micro-chip placed in my name!!
So tell all of us Shannon, If this is all untrue then PROVE IT! Prove that Bandit is dead!!! Give me or my vet permission to speak with your vet in regards to Bandit or provide me with a certified death certificate with full description of Bandit on letter head paper signed by the attending vet along with full detailed report of Bandits exam outlining all these poor health claims for proof!!
I doubt you will!! But I certainly do feel sorry for you.... I suggest you pray that I decide not to take you to court for slandering me and my kennel name!!
Shannon Vass, Your actions speak louder than words!!
Definition of SLANDER
transitive verb
1. to utter slander against : defame
2. defamation; calumny: rumors full of slander.
3. a malicious, false, and defamatory statement or report: a slander against his good name.
4. Law . defamation by oral utterance rather than by writing, pictures, etc.
Defamation, which is sometimes known as "defamation of character."
Defamation is false and unprivileged spoken words or written publication, which exposes any living person to hatred, contempt, ridicule, or which causes him/her to be shunned or avoided, or which has a tendency to injure him/her in his/her trade or occupation.
#17 Consumer Comment
AUTHOR: commoncents2000 - nashville (United States of America)
SUBMITTED: Sunday, February 12, 2012
POSTED: Sunday, February 12, 2012
While passing time on a late Saturday night I came across this ROR. Being that my parents own a beautiful reverse brindle dane and my best friend owns a gorgeous harlequin as well as an adorable solid blue dane pup, this post caught my eye.
Although I was thinking that Shannon should just provide the vet docs to Bailey to end this drawn out dispute, I was not going to interfere by any means.
UNTIL - Shannon's husband Chris decides to pipe in with his "words of wisdom". To make it simpler to spot Chris's true opinion of the "products" he sells - let me just quote them for you...
"And as far as what happend to OUR puppy thats none of your damn business it's just like any other item thats traded or sold once relinquish the item to the next owner it's no longer your nor do you have any rights to know a damn thing about anything that goes on with the item traded or sold. For being an educated peroson your really dense (sic)."
Oh yeah - it was proudly signed off with....
"Chris Vass
Owner CripplecreekGreatdanes"
Yeah Chris, if I sold a dvd or a STUFFED animal I really don't see why it should matter to me what became of those "items". However, we are NOT talking about an "item". Need I remind you that the "item" in question here was/is a living, breathing, beautiful, smart, faithful companion!!!
Right now, regardless of whether you and Shannon are being honest about what happened with Bandit, you - Chris Vass, Owner of Cripple Creek Great Danes - have shown your TRUE colors regarding your view on the beautiful, noble and loyal dogs/companions you own,breed and sell. That is so unfortunate and pathetic.
I could not disagree more with your view. When I have visited breeders in the past to purchase my new family member - I have remained in touch with most of them thru-out my dog's life. It is a natural instinct for a person who genuinely LOVES and respects their breed and most importantly, the puppies' mom who is doing so much of the work to earn YOU money. I have mailed/emailed (depending on how long ago it was) pictures of the puppy I bought as he/she grows into adulthood. And when the unthinkable happened, I've shared the loss with them as well.
To sum all this up - since I'm a banker, not a lawyer, I did not even try to determine whether Shannon was being truthful about poor Bandit's passing. I was actually getting tired of reading everything and about to exit out - until I read your post. It bothered me enough to stay up and make sure that it is now on record, in YOUR words, how you view your retail "inventory". Such a shame and I hope Shannon is embarrassed and as ashamed of you as she should be. You've lost all credibility as far as I'm concerned.
#18 Owner of Company
AUTHOR: Shannon Vass - Poplar Bluff (United States of America)
SUBMITTED: Monday, February 13, 2012
POSTED: Monday, February 13, 2012
1. I am proud of my husband for jumping to defend his wife. NOT ASHAMED.
2. RIP OFF REPORT . COM is just as bad or worse than facebook. I am hurt by the whole situation of Bandit but will continue to hold my head high and love my dogs and do what I love which is own the Great Dane breed
3. My husbands profession is not emptying bedpans. He is a LPN- Licensed Practical Nurse. That requires schooling about equivalent to what Bailey has which is respiratory! Not to mention I am a LPN as well! We give meds, take orders from physicians, start IV's Hang IV's oh...give neb treatments...lol draw blood, insert foley caths, trach care, g tube care and meds, injections, fingersticks, insulins.....the list of things we do in our career is neverending oh....and yes we may empty a bedpan and wipe an ass because we are trained to do so and train others to do that as well! We love our profession as nurses and make wonderful money doing so...no second job required! No ...he is not a lawyer but a good man and good husband and provides for his family.
4. We keep plenty of contact with our past puppies. I receive emails and texts weekly updating me with pics and good news.
5. The fact that I will be forever on record on rip off report . com does not bother me. I know what happened. I know how my life and business is run and I have nothing to hide but will hold to my position on not giving my vet info to Bailey for the same reasons as above. I do business with people in a manner that does not require harrassment . The fact of the matter is I dont care how much I am bashed by Bailey on here or what she says but will always defend my husband and family first and foremost. So people can google away Bailey and you can kick and scream all you want like you are 2 because you dont like the situation but I am no happier to see you move on as well and enjoy Sequioa as I have now been deprived of with Bandit. Post after post says the same thing over and over and frankly this is getting tiring. I keep telling myself to not even read anymore but when I am informed that people are insulting my husband and his profession that he is proud of and that I am proud of i will certainly read and reply. Again....thanks everyone for reading.
#19 Consumer Comment
AUTHOR: anonymous - Victoria (United States of America)
SUBMITTED: Monday, February 13, 2012
POSTED: Monday, February 13, 2012
I am very well what a LVN/LPN is :) Yes, moving on is the only choice since all your two offered up was lip service. Sad that you looking at breeding dogs is a "Business" You are truly the worse type of breeder out there.. not to say there really is any good breeding out there while animals are being killed in shelters for the simple fact there isn't enough homes. I truly hope that Bailey makes good finding out what happened to the puppy. Remember the best advertisement one can have is word of mouth. You be proud of that husband of yours with nothing but empty threats.. But trust me you will get my word of mouth free advertisement.
#20 Consumer Comment
AUTHOR: Steve - (USA)
SUBMITTED: Monday, February 13, 2012
POSTED: Monday, February 13, 2012
First of all, he is not named "Bandit" anymore, he is named "Poot" (seeing that I bought him, it is certainly my right to name him). He is indeed totally deaf (not "partially" deaf), but his eyesight it just fine, in both eyes.
As far as the original breeders thinking they have the right to have him back as opposed to him being "re-homed" (i.e. bought), don't make me laugh. You sold him, someone else bought him, they sold him to me, end of story. He is very happy (though a little stupid), so no worries there.
Oh and BTW, "Jerry Sterling" - you may not want to post using Vass's account. Someone might get the idea that she is trying to fake compliments. And that she is not very bright.
Anyway, you 2 keep going after each other if you want to, as it seems to be something you both enjoy. But nobody is getting my dog back. You took your money, don't whine about it now.
#21 Update By Author
AUTHOR: Bailey - San Antonio (United States of America)
SUBMITTED: Monday, February 13, 2012
POSTED: Monday, February 13, 2012
Please if you REALLY own "Bandit" now please contact me so I know he is OK I just want to know that he is LOVED and taken care of and have updated pictures of him! Please also if you contacate me I can get you his AKC paper work as of right now he is NOT papered and his micro chip is reported STOLEN as Shannon Vass and I have a verbal contract as to he WAS NOT to be rehomed!! As of now a court case is being filed..to her slanderous reports... PLEASE I BEG OF YOU TO PLEASE CONTACT ME AND MY FAMILY TO LET US KNOW HE IS OK!!! I hope you love him and care for him unlike the Vass's!!!!! (((ROR redacted)))
CLICK here to see why Rip-off Report, as a matter of policy, deleted either a phone number, link or e-mail address from this Report.
#22 Consumer Comment
AUTHOR: anonymous - Victoria (United States of America)
SUBMITTED: Monday, February 13, 2012
POSTED: Monday, February 13, 2012
Steve... the important thing was to know what happened to the Puppy in question. And Bailey Rubenking only wants to know what happened to the puppy and that if he was re homed that he has a good home. But also understand when there is a contract between the two breeders.. that a puppy can not be re home it must go back to the breeder.. then If Bailey was wanting him back and not just questioning what happened to the puppy. This is what would happen. The puppy would be awarded back to Bailey Rubenking and then you would have to sue The Vasss" but as it has always been stated Bailey Rubenking wanted to know if the puppy was ok.. being alive or dead. So I am sure Bailey Rubenking will want to know about the puppy and pictures to make sure the puppy you do have is the puppy in question. Please give Bailey Rubenking the information on thepuppy is in a good home and doing well. But there are matters that will still be addresses to the Vass's
#23 Consumer Comment
AUTHOR: anonymous - Victoria (United States of America)
SUBMITTED: Tuesday, February 14, 2012
POSTED: Tuesday, February 14, 2012
I was wonder what Shannon Vass AKA Cripple Creek Great Danes has to say about these new allegations? While all along she has stated this puppy died and had several things wrong with it. If this puppy was resold what was the big deal? Why not just state it? After all the things that were stated about Bailey Rubenking and slandering the hell out of her........... this sure looks like a law suit to me. I really would like to hear what Shannon has to say about this! Moving on does not make things go away. I hope that Bailey Rubenking sues the hell out of Cripple Creek Great Danes and makes them an example! Shame on you Cripple Creek Great Danes. I think your creditably just went to S*&T!
#24 Individual Responds
AUTHOR: Shannon Vass - Poplar Bluff (United States of America)
SUBMITTED: Wednesday, February 15, 2012
POSTED: Wednesday, February 15, 2012
Our "credibility" has gone no where! To Victoria- unless you are Bailey's lawyer put up or shut up. Who are you anyways? Probably Bailey herself! Bailey is one person out of many who is not satisfied with things. Yes I posted from Jerry Sterling who was nice enough to email me his good review on our kennel. Moving on for us will make things go away! WE DO NOT CARE ABOUT BAILEY AND HER MADE UP ACCUSATIONS! We do not care about who beleives who or what story. We are done with the whole ordeal and dont care what people say about us or our dogs. We love our dogs and what we do and will contunue to do what we love doing. Law suit? Good luck :) So to Victoria who we have no idea who you are or why you care so much why dont you let Bailey speak for herself and stay the h**l out of things since you appear to have nothing better to do just like Bailey! The similarities are striking I must say! As for anyone else including Bailey Rubenking with Cognito Danes and any affilaited with....have you noticed we will not respond to any other false accusations? Simply because we have better things to do in our lives than to keep on with this crazy scenario. Once again! We will not respond to further false accusations on rip off report. com email/ "certified mail" or any other type of communication. Our phone numbers have been changed due to the level of harrassment from Bailey Rubenking herself which is utterly ridiculous but we dont have time for her in our lives and trust me.....none of you involved in this report do either!
#25 Consumer Comment
AUTHOR: anonymous - Victoria (United States of America)
SUBMITTED: Wednesday, February 15, 2012
POSTED: Wednesday, February 15, 2012
Our "credibility" has gone no where! Really? You say the puppy in question died and then someone post they bought the puppy from you. To Victoria- unless you are Bailey's lawyer put up or shut up. I believe those were my words! Who are you anyways? A concerned party. Probably Bailey herself! No, I am not. Bailey is one person out of many who is not satisfied with
things. I believe that is one true statement you made! Yes I posted from Jerry Sterling who was nice enough to email me
his good review on our kennel. I believe that Steve called you out on that. Do you not have a thing to say about Steve and him buying "Bandit" the puppy that you stated died? Moving on for us will make things go away! Well I will say the "Vass" have a colorful life on "Topix" Scott sure is an interesting character WE DO NOT CARE ABOUT BAILEY AND HER MADE UP ACCUSATIONS! Whooaa accustions?? I believe you have made many. When you lie sometimes it is hard to keep lies straight and then more you lie the harder it is to remember which lie you told who! We do not care about who beleives who or what story. We are done with the whole ordeal and dont care what people say about us or our dogs. We love our
dogs and what we do and will contunue to do what we love doing. Law suit? Good luck :) Good luck to you. :)
So to Victoria who we have no idea who you are or why you care so much why dont you let Bailey speak for herself and stay the h**l out of things since you appear to have nothing better to do just like Bailey! Girl you have no idea what I do in my life and Bailey Rubenking knows how to speak for herself. I talk for myself. The similarities are striking I must say! As for anyone
else including Bailey Rubenking with Cognito Danes and any affilaited with....have you noticed we will not respond to any other false accusations? Simply because we have better things to do in our lives than to keep on with this crazy scenario.
You are here posting aren't you? Once again! We will not respond to further false accusations on rip off report. com email/
"certified mail" or any other type of communication. Serious are you an idiot? False accusations? Our phone numbers
have been changed due to the level of harrassment from Bailey Rubenking herself which is utterly ridiculous but we dont have time for her in our lives and trust me.....none of you involved in this report do either! I guess you would have little time for rip off.com when you have a mess over on TOPIX.. now that is well worth reading. Hell That right there would make Jerry Springer's ratings fly through the roof!
#26 Owner of Company
AUTHOR: Shannon Vass - Poplar Bluff (United States of America)
SUBMITTED: Wednesday, February 15, 2012
POSTED: Wednesday, February 15, 2012
Can you come up with anything more stupid than something other than topix that isnt about me or my husband? I am married to chris vass not scott.......lol. get your story straight before you post something else that makes no sense what so ever! Topix has nothing to do with chris and i. Who is making up more lies now? Victoria who no one still seems to know who you are and why you are involved? LOL
#27 Consumer Comment
AUTHOR: Nat - Houston (USA)
SUBMITTED: Wednesday, February 15, 2012
POSTED: Wednesday, February 15, 2012
I don't know anyone involved with this ROR but from everything ive read it would seem to me that Shannon Vass is and has been avoiding the real topic and that is the truth! Shannon Vass, It was you that made slanderous remarks towards Bailey Rubenking by stating false information about her Female Phantom and the puppies she whelped and raised by hand. Stating in any form that a puppy had serious health issues and then died is slander unless you can provide documentation to prove what your stating! You have from day one stated repeatedly that the puppy "Bandit" was unhealthy and was dead! And now you have been "busted" by your own puppy buyer who purchased the puppy in question, who posted on here saying that he has "Bandit" and that his new name is Poot! Did he suddenly rise from the dead and end up in the care of someone else? Since your buyer Steve posted, you have responded two times and not once have you acknowledged the fact that someone has stated that the puppy "Bandit" is ALIVE! I'm sorry but I have to agree with "Victoria" on the fact that your credibility is gone. How can you argue this? You cant! And Bailey is right when she stated that your stuck! I'm also a breeder and I have been through the court system already. I took a past puppy buyer to court for a breach of contract which included slander and won! I can assure you that Bailey Rubenking has a standing cases against you for the slanderous remarks you made against her name and Kennel name. The false accusations you have made in-regards to Bailey's breeding program could have and may still cause irreversible damage. What I don't understand is why you did what you did! If you were not happy with the puppy, then why didn't you just contact his breeder and let them know? Why did you make up all these lies making this poor women believe that a puppy she hand reared, sent to you in good health was now in poor condition and now dead? Did you just not like him after all or did you want to resell him for more money? Regardless of your answer what you did was very wrong and I hope others see that as well! Its breeders like you that give honest, reputable breeders like me a bad name! You should be a shamed of your self the things you do. Oh and another thing. I contacted AKC and gave them your Danes info that was provided by Bailey Rubenking and they confirmed that your Danes do NOT have a DNA file. Therefore the info you have or had on your website is false information. Therefore you have lied to all of your buyers. If your Danes are DNA'd then I suggest you contact AKC and set them straight because they do not have any records of it!!
What takes place between you and Bailey regarding the outcome of this matter is your business, but I do believe you owe Bailey Rubenking a public explanation on why you did this. I also believe you owe her a Public apology as well!! I also believe the right thing you can do is put Bailey Rubenking in touch with Bandit (Poot's) new owner so she can receive updates and know that he is well!!
My recommendation to you Shannon Vass would be, if you can not conduct your self and your breeding kennel in a ethical way, then get out of breeding and stop making bad names for the rest of us!!
#28 Consumer Comment
AUTHOR: anonymous - Victoria (United States of America)
SUBMITTED: Thursday, February 16, 2012
POSTED: Thursday, February 16, 2012
I am sure Shannon Vass will not respond to last post! She could not come up with a good enough lie. She will only respond to silly sh@t. But when it comes to facts and serious Q&A she will not respond. That says a lot about character and creditablity !
#29 Update By Author
AUTHOR: Bailey - San Antonio (United States of America)
SUBMITTED: Thursday, February 16, 2012
POSTED: Thursday, February 16, 2012
I guess shannon will have all Q&A one day and quit avoiding the questions at hand! Everyone who knows me, knows I dont play games when it comes to my kids and dogs! I have sent a damn letter. Next step is court and I have all my ducks in a row. So until then everyone keep this story alive and going until we bring justice for Bandit! I thank everyone who is supporting my hunt for him and putting a stop to this untruthful BYB!
#30 Consumer Comment
AUTHOR: Breederin PA - Harrisburg (United States of America)
SUBMITTED: Friday, February 17, 2012
POSTED: Friday, February 17, 2012
I hope that Bandit has a wonderful and loving home. I hope that Bailey Rubenking gets the answers to her questions which I believe that she deserves. I hope that the "Shannpn Vass" AKA "Cripple Creek Great Danes" is made an example of what a BYB really stands for! The allegation that Steve made was never addressed! This breeder speak volumes of her values, morals and character but most of all her creditability.
#31 Consumer Comment
AUTHOR: BigRed - Cleburne (United States of America)
SUBMITTED: Saturday, February 25, 2012
POSTED: Saturday, February 25, 2012
I think his name was Steve who has the pup known as Bandit! If u would send them certainty of the pup being alive that would make them feel 100%. I breed dachshunds & I worry about all my pups. I dont sell to just anyone & if one dies I cry over my loss of family. I have gotten some of my pups back when certain situations arise that cant be helped. I would rather I get them instead of animal shelter. All she is asking is that the pup is alright. Could you find it in your heart to let know? Please give her peace of mind. Thanks
#32 Consumer Comment
AUTHOR: Steve - (USA)
SUBMITTED: Monday, February 27, 2012
POSTED: Monday, February 27, 2012
OK, OK, I've sent her an email with my info, and the details that I have. It is up to her if she wants to share them here.
#33 Consumer Comment
AUTHOR: commoncents2000 - nashville (United States of America)
SUBMITTED: Monday, February 27, 2012
POSTED: Monday, February 27, 2012
TO STEVE: You may actually be legit, although I admit that I had my doubts and thought you may just be some strange person that was "taunting" Bailey and leading her to false hopes. Since it sounds like she legitimately cares for Bandit, I think she does deserve the truth.....the WHOLE truth. If you did indeed contact Bailey with factual information with the "Bandit" in question, good for you! :) I hope you're "fur real"!
TO BAILEY: If Steve did actually contact you with your original sweet Bandit - PLEASE update everyone on this post. It seems so many people have shown concerns for your situation that it would be a relief to know Bandit is ok - and confirm that Shannon and her "puppy mill" deserve to be put to shame. Or if Steve is just playing a cruel joke and he does not really have Bandit.
Either way - can you post an update?
#34 Update By Author
AUTHOR: Bailey - San Antonio (United States of America)
SUBMITTED: Tuesday, February 28, 2012
POSTED: Tuesday, February 28, 2012
Yes Steve has emailed me and all I can say at this time is with all the information that has been given we will be moving forward with the court system!
#35 Consumer Comment
AUTHOR: great dane lover - memphis (United States of America)
SUBMITTED: Tuesday, February 28, 2012
POSTED: Tuesday, February 28, 2012
I will say one thing for Shannon and Chris Vass. I bought a puppy from the one litter they have had and he is a healthy 65lbs already! People should really not comment on such things as a puppy mill when they have only had ONE litter! They have a nice house and their dogs are healthy , big and beautiful- they have a huge area just for their dogs outside and a puppy room right by the house! I dont know what happened with Bandit but for anyone to call them a puppymill or BYB should go to their home before they judge. Their male miles I have seen with my own eyes.....he has a white mark in his neck. No collar. He is reg fawn with white markings exactly what he is! People should let these two breeders deal with this between them and not jump to conclusions about someone theyhave never met!
#36 Consumer Comment
AUTHOR: commoncents2000 - nashville (United States of America)
SUBMITTED: Tuesday, February 28, 2012
POSTED: Tuesday, February 28, 2012
Good luck to you Bailey! I hope everything works out for you! :)
#37 Consumer Comment
AUTHOR: anonymous - Victoria (United States of America)
SUBMITTED: Friday, March 09, 2012
POSTED: Friday, March 09, 2012
Shannon Vass your creditability just got shot to sh*t!! Enough said!!
#38 Update By Author
AUTHOR: Bailey - San Antonio (United States of America)
SUBMITTED: Friday, March 09, 2012
POSTED: Friday, March 09, 2012
Shannon Vass be prepared to see me in court! We were contact from the new owners of Bandit becuase of his mico chip being reported stolen!! Thanks to everyone out there who has kept up with this story and will continue to peruse with this! Bandit is with some wonderful family who are also a vicitum is this mess! Bandit will be staying with his family and they will continue to stay in contract with us!
#39 Update By Author
AUTHOR: Bailey - San Antonio (United States of America)
SUBMITTED: Friday, March 09, 2012
POSTED: Friday, March 09, 2012
Attention: We would like to take this opportunity to announce that our "missing" puppy who was originally owned by Shannon and Chris Vass of Cripple Creek Great Danes located in Popular Bluff MO, who was reported to me as being "dead" has been found and he is ALIVE! Bandit is healthy and happy in the care of a loving family who is a victim of this ordeal! Ive been communicating with Bandits new family and they have graciously sent me pictures of my handsome baby boy! I would like to go on record as to state that Shannon and Chris Vass are Unethical breeders who severely lack morals and ethics. I believe without a doubt that they are shady and crooked in their business practices as well. I highly recommend that everyone steers clear of Shannon and Chris Vass. I also believe that they may be or may have already changed their kennel name and website address in an attempt to run and hide from this situation. Everyone can rest assure that I will not give up this search and destroy operation. They can run and hide all they like, but I will find them sooner or later, and when I do I will make them known once again! As far as Shannon and Chris Vass are concerned, I have already started legal proceedings to take Shannon and Chris Vass to court. I will find justice for what these "breeders" have done to Bandit and my family! Word of warning: Since nobody can take anyone for face value any more, its my advise to every breeder reading this to please please please Micro-chip your puppies and place the information in YOUR name. In the event that a "buyer or breeder" who has or owns YOUR puppy informs you that it passed away, report the microchip as being stolen and notify AKC or any of the canine registry about the puppy's death, especially if the puppy has NOT been registered yet. Always demand a neocropsy as well! If they refuse to have this done, "red flag"! Also, please be advised that Shannon Vass of Cripple Creek Great Danes confessed to me before receiving Bandit that she keeps all her extra akc forms and will reg a ckc bred puppy using one of those akc forms. So always put a stop on the un-used forms! My family and I, along with my firends are very grateful to have finally received proof that my Bandit is alive. I can only hope that everyone out there that is reading my story will learn from this. We would like to say thank you to everyone who believed in us and to those who supported us!!
#40 Consumer Comment
AUTHOR: commoncents2000 - nashville (United States of America)
SUBMITTED: Saturday, March 10, 2012
POSTED: Saturday, March 10, 2012
Bailey - your persistance paid off! You trusted your instinct and followed thru to the end ~ AWESOME ENDING!!!
#41 Consumer Comment
AUTHOR: nonsense - Blaphemy (United States of America)
SUBMITTED: Thursday, March 15, 2012
POSTED: Thursday, March 15, 2012
I am sure Bailey can see by her recent escapade on facebook that Shannon and Chris will forever have people that support them. Being a long time friend of this couple and hearing their story firsthand I can see why they would not want to send this puppy back to the breeder. She is the unethical one still breeding harl x harl she now has another litter with a friend and if you look at all those puppies several of them will more than likely be hearing impaired and she continues to breed her dogs knowing they could possibly throw white / deaf puppies! Isnt their enough throw away danes? Not incorporting a deaf puppy into the Vass's breeding program is the smartest thing I have heard yet! I was also wondering by above reading how she thinks a verbal contract to return the puppy to her will hold up in court.....sounds like she should have left well enough alone and left this whole ordeal between her and the Vass's. Being one of the many people that she added to her facebook page on faceboook by again in her craziness added all of Shannon's friends, family and not to mention Shannon's kids and kid cousins I received a thank you letter for deleting Shannon? Shannon deleted all people that were mutual friends with this person except her true friends and family for her protection against any more picture stealing / slander! They didnt delete her as Bailey's operation and destroy had so hoped for. Shannon once agian the smart one for not returning the puppy to Bailey! It was her dog that she paid for to get to her, not to mention sent Bailey money to help with Phantom's creamation out of the goodness of her heart. If she wanted to tell Bailey the puppy died to keep her from getting him back to attempt to resell to someone else than that was her decision! Her dog....If she wanted to tell Bailey the dog was shipped to china never to be heard from again thats STILL HER DOG! Speaking of Operation and destroy.....seriously? You know the dog is ok and apparently alive as you claim.....so why keep on? leave these people alone and I seriously doubt you will stop them from doing what they love which is GREAT DANES! Just because they told you one thing from preventing you from gettting a puppy back does not make them bad people. By the way... has anyone seen the poor face of the puppy that they GAVE you? Nice swollen face from a allergic reaction. Seems Bailey should be keeping a closer eye on her dogs and what they get into!
#42 Consumer Comment
AUTHOR: setyoustraight2011 - (USA)
SUBMITTED: Thursday, March 15, 2012
POSTED: Thursday, March 15, 2012
Breeding harl to harl Unethical?? Seriously?? Why don't you take a look at Shannon's breeding program before you start trying to make everyone else but her, look bad. But that's already too late. FYI: NUMEROUS SHOW BREEDERS AND REPUTABLE BREEDERS, breed harlxHarl.
You Say SEVERAL of my puppies will be " more than likely be hearing impaired" I'm not going to doubt that. But there is also a possibility that they will be all fine. You never know. AND For the record, there was only 2 OUT 13 that were lightly marked. And I sell ALL MY PUPPIES ON LIMITED REGISTRATION. WHICH MEANS PET ONLY. I'd say we got damn lucky. My breeding is not anyone's business, so mind your own. Just like anything can happen with breeding off colors. A Fawn with white markings?? etc. That's unethical, Yet Shannon did it. Look at what came out in her litter!!! blue fawns, and fawns with mask with white markings and some without. GEEZ. Look at what you are calling unethical before you start to say everyone else's breedings but hers are unethical. Do NOT drag me back into this. I have been avoiding the whole situation. But when you talk about MY Puppies, MY Breedings. Than that's a whole other story. ALL MY DANES ARE COLOR PURE. THEY HAVE FANTASTIC LINES, THEY HAVE GREAT CONFORMATION, THEY HAVE EVERYTHING THAT I AM LOOKING FOR, IN MY BREEDING PROGRAM. If you don't like it, Look elsewhere. Shannon is an adult. She can speak her mind. she is not saying anything about this whole ordeal. Because She was BUSTED And Just to put this out there, Bailey told me that she has told Shannon about Bandit being deaf/partially deaf. And SHANNON DIDN'T CARE. She still wanted him!!!! AND Before she starts saying that she didn't know, She Lies. Just like she has lied about Bandit being DEAD. If she didn't want him anymore, she could have just said something. WHY LIE??? That's the point!!! In MY contracts, the puppy must be returned to me, not resold or rehomed without my permission. ANY ETHICAL Breeder does that. Apparently y'all don't. Because y'all don't even know what Ethical is. Oh and you claim that my puppies are "throw away Danes"? WOW. Nice to know your perspective on the special needs of Certain puppies. Kudos to you for making that comment. You just made your self look even more like trailer trash.
Ok, You say Why Go On about this? Bailey has her reasons as to why she is going on about it.
But now, you wanna bring up Seqouia, who had an allergic reaction? SO? At least she rushed her into the emergency vet and got it all taken care of, instead of doing what Shannon did, and claim the puppy died.
Yep, I'd say Bailey Loves her Danes. Even though one came from Shannon.
I think you need to re-read Mr.Vass' comment. You know, the one where he states the Breed " THEY LOVE" as an item traded or sold. Yep. Gotta love dumb men.
"And as far as what happend to OUR puppy thats none of your damn business it's just like any other item thats traded or sold once relinquish the item to the next owner it's no longer your nor do you have any rights to know a damn thing about anything that goes on with the item traded or sold. For being an educated person your really dense (sic)."
And then SIGNED "Chris Vass
Owner CripplecreekGreatdanes"
Yep, I'd say they truly do love their Danes. Especially the money that they are bringing in for them. It is sad that Bailey has to go through this. But Shannon, you brought it ALL on yourself. You reap what you sow. And I'd say your time is coming and that this is only the beginning.
#43 Consumer Comment
AUTHOR: BAILEYISANIDIOT - (United States of America)
SUBMITTED: Thursday, March 15, 2012
POSTED: Thursday, March 15, 2012
Shannon is an adult and can speak for herself unlike Bailey who has all the likeness of a child. Im pretty sure unethical cannot be used to describe Shannon and Chris when they have advertised no where that they are breeding show dogs as I see Bailey is not either seeing as she is breeding CKC which requires a picture sent in and a witness to say your dog is purebred, Wow now thats ethical! Shannon was not busted on anything. As I see it she told a good lie to keep a mean spiteful person out of her life and if Bandit is alive looks like she made sure he got a good loving home. Isnt that what matters? Apparently there is more to Bailey Rubenking than meets the eye and her claims that Shannon is unethical do nothing but keep showing how much more unethical she is. Seeing as Shannon has not replied in several weeks should say something along the lines of she is satisfied with the home Bandit got and dosent care if Bailey knows! I was also wondering how these people with excellent lines are proving their ckc dogs are so great when all is required a picture to show they are pure bred and im sure all health tested too! There are lots of great dane breeders that are not following the akc color code. Does that make them unethical too? Several which are friends with Bailey on facebook, wonder if she writes stories about how unethical they are? Good thing the above person is selling limited registration so not to pass on that double merle gene they are breeding! But im sure if people wanted to breed those puppies all they would have to do is send in a picture to ckc and register their dog and breed it! See the never ending cycle? Guess those breeders didnt think about that since thats what they are doing also. Do you know where your CKC dog really came from? Give me a break. There are many many many people that love and support Chris and Shannon and can give as many unethical comments as Bailey and her so called supporters. The lack of compassion for people that dont even know the whole story or know Bailey for what she really is alarms me! Also.....just to show how vindictive Bailey is she text Shannon 2 weeks ago to inform her she was rehomimg Sequioa! Because she didnt have a black mask! Hmmmmmm. Sounds a little more unethical all the time!
#44 Consumer Comment
AUTHOR: BAILEYISANIDIOT - (United States of America)
SUBMITTED: Thursday, March 15, 2012
POSTED: Thursday, March 15, 2012
Lol how can you say someone is unethical for not having a contract when the very person you are defending sold her puppies with no contract? The above person who wrote defending Bailey who I assume is the reputable CKC breeder needs to look up the definition of ethical and also check with the people she chooses to defend before defending! Bailey sold with no contract! Guess what! You just called Bailey unethical yourself. This is also coming from a breeder who is soooo ethical she was going to breed a merle until she developed a large lump on her head! How can you talk about breeding ethical colors when you were going to breed a merle? Then was looking to rehome her bc she did not know if the lump was genetic, now that was the most ethical thing i have seen yet. Also right along with rehoming Bandit. Very ethical to not keep him to breed. BYB? Bailey keeps 4 plus great danes in her home and her landlord only knows of one! Chris and Shannon own their home and property and plenty of it and dont have t o hide their dogs away. Who sounds like a BYB now? Smartest thing was that Shannon Got that dog away from Bailey and put him a good home.
#45 Consumer Comment
AUTHOR: Steve - (USA)
SUBMITTED: Thursday, March 15, 2012
POSTED: Thursday, March 15, 2012
So she gets caught lying, and now the story is, "well she has every right to lie because of XYZ"? How can you trust that XYZ is true? I don't know jack about breeding an X with a Y, and I do not know the parties involved personally, but it sure as h**l seems like Bailey is a lot more trustworthy. BTW, did Shannon go out of business? Her webpage on Yola does not seem to exist anymore.
BTW, there seems to be a lot of animosity between breeders; you see them fight all the time on here.
#46 Consumer Comment
AUTHOR: anonymous - Victoria (United States of America)
SUBMITTED: Thursday, March 15, 2012
POSTED: Thursday, March 15, 2012
I think everyone has lost focus on what this was about and just choose to call one another out and act like a bunch of drama B$T*CHES. If you all can follow me for one second... remember this was about the concern of a puppy that was to have died and had serious medical problems.. which is known that the puppy didn't die and does not have the medical problems that were stated. ( besides being half deaf ) I do believe if this happened to anyone of us.. we would be rather upset... But this has turned into a three ring circus about slamming between breeders. I for one is very happy this puppy is well and healthy also with a good home. ( Craig list is NOT the best place to place a dog through and hopefully Craig list will change to NO animals can be place on it due to bad people and bait animals. That is being worked on with Craig's list ) Hell even rescues do home checks before placing a pet. All you breeders can fight among one another but to be honest none of you are better then the other... simply for breeding.. there is no shortage on Danes.. and the shelters are full of dogs that are killed daily.. so hell why not bring more into the world.. so all of you are part of a big problem and are so tunnel vision you can not even see or wrap your minds around that! But back to the puppy. Shannon and Bailey were friends before all this went down. To the point of Shannon sharing a pretty good amount of personal information about her life and marriage. Seems it all went bad when this puppy was said to have died. I will give Bailey credit this much... She was very concern about this puppy and she was not going to rest till she knew what the truth was. ( yes, in Texas a verbal contract holds up in court ) None of this would have happened if Shannon would have been honest about the puppy and re homing it. I am sure since the two were friends there would not have been a problem as long as it was a good home. But what I am confused about is.. WOW why go to the trouble of making up such a lie about this puppy and to lie about all the medical problems? That right there is 100% slander. And if you think not then contact a lawyer. Bailey is not the first to have a puppy or puppies that are deaf. Just recently I saw on facebook a breeder that had 3 or 4 in a litter that were deaf. That is why I say not one breeder is better then the other. But the two truths in this whole mess is this... Shannon made up a very large lie that for someone that could do that has a serious mental problem or has some serious emotional issues. ( and if any one can justify her lie then they have issues as well ) The other truth is yes Bailey wanted the truth as to what happened to the puppy and yes Bailey is loud and relentless. Someone mentioned that Bailey called Shannon to let her know she was going to re-home the puppy she got from Shannon... well atleast that was more then Shannon gave Bailey. The really sad part is that everyone made this about who likes Shannon or who likes Bailey.. When it should have been about the puppy. All vet records that the owners that have this puppy now have are records that Bailey gave to Shannon. There is NO vet records showing Shannon ever took this puppy to a vet. So just keep on fighting among breeders but remember you all are no better then the next. And since everyone has something to say if I were Bailey I would take this to another level ......................................
#47 Update By Author
AUTHOR: Bailey - San Antonio (United States of America)
SUBMITTED: Thursday, March 15, 2012
POSTED: Thursday, March 15, 2012
Who cares what ANY of Shannon's friends write! The BIGGEST point and true fact is she LIED went on FB and announced her new puppy DIED! People where giving their Sympathy and condolences... Really that's just sick in the head to announce your new puppy died! I don't care what ANYONE writes about me, my breedinds, my family, my landlord ( which knows about my Danes) and my Danes ( if I show or not) but if you look at my site you can clearly see Sierra is being shown, the point is SHANNON LIED AND GOT BUSTED!!!!! so if you are calling me unethical then what do you call lying about a puppy who didn't die?!?!? So everyone of Shannon's friends can come on her and try and make it look like it was ok to lie.. I really hope none of you are raising kids with the morals that is ok to lie! Any ways peace out keep trying to convince your self that shannons right. Oh another thing I wonder if it was ok for Chris to get busted counterfeiting money?!?!? I know when this all started Shannon HAD 300 friends and now she has 214 each proves peopl (breeders) can see that Shannon is wrong! My reasoning for putting Bandits story out there was to let very breeder know about the biggest lie Shannon did and lying about how he died and running my breeding through the mud, and if I got that message out there NOT to sell to Shannon then excellent! So keep writing none factual stuff about me and my breeding but guess what I am writing FACTAUL stuff Shannon got BUSTED!
#48 Consumer Comment
AUTHOR: setyoustraight2011 - (USA)
SUBMITTED: Thursday, March 15, 2012
POSTED: Thursday, March 15, 2012
You say "Shannon is an adult and can speak for herself " LMAO. I have not seen Shannon speak for herself at all. Maybe once or twice, then her husband involved himself, then all her "friends" involved themselves. So why not Let Shannon speak for herself. Seems to me, like she is not an adult, and will not speak up. We are not in high school anymore. This is an open forum. She has not once tried to actually defend herself. Nor has she just told the truth. Which is all anyone is wanting. For her to just admit what she has done. And that is break a contract, and resell a puppy. Than claimed he died. NOW that is unethical and so disrespectful.
I only have one Dane that is CKC, and she will be spayed after she weans the puppies and she dries up. All my others are AKC and carry Superb lines. Also, I own my home and own land. No hiding Danes around here. I have been to Bailey's house. She doesn't hide her Danes from her landlord LMAO.
Bailey sold all her puppies on a contract. I have already spoken to her. Have you?? Highly doubt that.
There is something my momma used to tell me, and that is there are always 3 sides to every truth and that is , your story, their story and the TRUTH!!!
Which we have seen come out since this rebuttal was started. If Bailey hadn't took the approach that she did with filing this report, I am sure Bandit would have probably still been missing. BUT WAIT!! He was found at a vets office with the microchip reported as STOLEN. So he would have been found sooner or later.
Now on to My Merle female, Yes she has a bump on her head that was supposed to have been genetic, but yet, it is not. We have done our research and seeked numerous other vets and reputable breeder's opinions. Her bump is fine. it is not genetic and she will be in my breeding program. Funny, how you say it is unethical to breed a merle. No it is not. Apparently it has been done. How do you think the Harlequins are here?? GUESS WHAT??!! Harlequins are actually a MERLE. you didn't seem to know that. Also, Other breeders, such as Riverwood, Liberte, Michael Danes, Excalibur, and many more Breed these merles. TO GET THAT HARL GENE AND TO PASS DOWN THEIR CONFORMATION, TEMPERAMENT, And much, much more that they have to offer. Also, My merle will be bred if she has what I am looking for in my breeding program.
It's funny. You know who I am, but I don't know who you are, because you hide behind a fake name. Bet you won't say who you are. You and Shannon are like two peas in a pod. Y'all are both idiots.
#49 Consumer Comment
AUTHOR: setyoustraight2011 - (USA)
SUBMITTED: Thursday, March 15, 2012
POSTED: Thursday, March 15, 2012
I just have to laugh at a certain comment you made, Which also proved Shannon is yet again a LIAR. She has claimed to have changed her number. As Quoted here in this post:
Quote from Shannon's rebuttal:
"Our phone numbers have been changed due to the level of harassment"
THAN you post this
"just to show how vindictive Bailey is she text Shannon 2 weeks ago to inform her she was rehomimg Sequioa! Because she didnt have a black mask!"
Funny, I thought Shannon Changed her numbers? Another lie right there!!!
Oh and just to let you know, You didn't include the whole text. The text stated that she was possibly going to rehome Seqouia, But than just may lie to her and say she died.(That was the last part of the text.) You know, Like Shannon LIED about Bandit's Death.
#50 Consumer Comment
AUTHOR: Nat - Houston (USA)
SUBMITTED: Thursday, March 15, 2012
POSTED: Thursday, March 15, 2012
To everyone on both sides of this situation... Everything Everyone says is nothing more then hear-say! For those that can't comprehend this, its means everything is he said she said, or in this case, she said she said! NO ONE KNOWS the TRUTH except GOD, Shannon, Bailey and Bandit! Both sides can come on here or Facebook and b***h slap each other around, but when it comes down to it people are going to believe what they want to believe no matter what!! Me, I happen to believe Bailey Rubenking only because she has from the very beginning provided "proof" of everything she is stating! Shannon Vass on the other hand has not and refuses to do so.
The question that everyone keeps asking Shannon and now all of her friends is, why lie? Lets say that Shannon's friends are telling the "truth" and Shannon placed the puppy because she didn't want a "semi deaf" puppy used in her breeding program. Why not just tell his breeder that from that start? According to Bailey Shannon Vass knew about his hearing loss before she received him! So why put this puppy and Bailey through this three ring circus in the first place? Had Shannon told Bailey from the start that she didn't want said puppy his breeder could have placed him. But lets skip this scenario. Lets says Shannon did want the puppy and truly didn't know about his hearing loss. Why not notify his breeder and simply return him? Oh that's right, she didn't want to return the puppy back to his unethical byb! Instead Shannon list him on craigslist of all places. Please tell me I did not read that!?!? Anyway, YES responsible breeders WANT you to return the puppy/dog back to them if you no longer want them. Its a REQUIREMENT by RESPONSIBLE breeders! However did it ever occur to any of you that maybe if Shannon was honest with Bailey they could have come to an open agreement between them selves that would have allow Shannon to re-home this puppy?!?! But I suppose telling Bailey the puppy died would be easier for Shannon to deal with. That way she could avoid all "possible" drama should it arise, right?! Well, why on earth take it a step further and announce it on Facebook that he is dead?! Honestly people, how many on Shannon's friends list knew about this puppy or even cared to know any of this in the first place? Next would be, why on earth would you make up lies saying the puppy died from hereditary defects. From what Bailey is saying those allegations were made public before the fight started between Shannon and Bailey and there is where the slander and libel starts! The same kind of slander and libel that can ruin a persons reputation simply because you didn't WANT the puppy but couldn't be women enough to simply tell his breeder the truth. Shannon acts like she was FORCED to take this puppy!! Next would be, why on earth would anyone make those kinds of allegations and NOT provide proof? We know Shannon's "why". Because she doesn't have to. Yes Shannon doesn't "have" to, but you think you would WANT to prove your innocents. If you were on trial for something that could send you to prison for the rest of your life and you NO your innocent, would you not defend your self and provide your proof in order to regain your innocents and freedom?! I think I would, but I suppose that's just me! instead you state the some stuff over and over, shut down your website and send your dog pack out to fight your fight! Oh I know I read that you shut down your website and changed your number because this "childish" Bailey person is harassing you. In that case do something about it! You can bet that if this was happening to me and I KNEW 110% that I was RIGHT and I was being stalked and harassed I would do something about it! I guess this is all why everyone except your friends believes Bailey Rubenkings side of the story!
I would like to ask. What does canine registries have to do with this issue? You condone Bailey and her breeder friend (s) for breeding/owning ckc Danes yet I read above how Shannon Vass uses extra AKC registration applications to reg HER CKC bred puppies! Not only is that the lowest of low but you basically just trashed your own friend who breeds or bred CKC as well! As far as akc goes. I hope Shannon Vass is inspected, shut down and fined for that alone (if its true)!
To Shannon and her friends, Yes this can and may very well go to court. A verbal contract is still a legal binding contract. Emails, text messages and websites even hold up in court. Not as well as a written contract but they still hold up. Judges may not like breeders due to the bad rap they have received from BYB who are out for profit with no regard to the living life they hold in their hand, but judges do stand behind breeders who are out to do right by the animal they produced. Even if Bailey lost the case against Shannon in regards to the puppy, she can very well win the lawsuit against Shannon and all of her friends for the "slandering" and "libel" placed against Bailey Rubenking/Cognito Danes. The slandering and libel took place when Shannon announced the fake death of the puppy then attacked Bailey's reputation and breeding program by making false claims about the puppy being in ill health. I truly believe that Bailey is in favor of this case either way.
I also understand the fact that Shannon and Bailey both have loyal friends and family that will see each other through this till the end. After all Its only natural!! Question is, how many of Shannons friends/family are willing to stand up for Shannon in court should they be subpoena by Bailey's attorney? Everyone can think about that one for a moment....
For those oh you that do not know.
Slander (noun)
1. defamation; calumny: rumors full of slander.
2. a malicious, false, and defamatory statement or report: a slander against his good name.
3. Law . defamation by oral utterance rather than by writing, pictures, etc.
Slander (verb)
1. to utter or circulate slander.
Libel (noun)
1. Law .
a. defamation by written or printed words, pictures, or in any form other than by spoken words or gestures.
b. the act or crime of publishing it.
c. a formal written declaration or statement, as one containing the allegations of a plaintiff or the grounds of a charge.
2. anything that is defamatory or that maliciously or damagingly misrepresents.
#51 Consumer Comment
AUTHOR: BAILEYISANIDIOT - (United States of America)
SUBMITTED: Friday, March 16, 2012
POSTED: Friday, March 16, 2012
Your definition of slander is absolutely correct! Both of these breeders have now publicly slandered eachother and nothing would holdup in court because they have now done the exact same thing to eachother exceptnowBailey has taken it to another level being that she has brought Chris Vass in this by stating he was convicted or did a crime he did not. Has anyone noticed that Shannon herself has said nothing bc she wants no more drama? Yet she is continued to be slandered by Bailey and her gang on lawyer wanna bes. Of course she said she changed her number Sofia Harnett! She was being harrassed! The text did not say that but Im sure you would know that since you typed and sent yourself.
NOW.......Bandit seems to be in a loving home as Bailey claims........isnt that what mattered sooooo much to her in the first place? Yet she keeps on slandering and Shannon well she dosent. What does that say for Bailey?
#52 Consumer Comment
AUTHOR: BAILEYISANIDIOT - (United States of America)
SUBMITTED: Friday, March 16, 2012
POSTED: Friday, March 16, 2012
Your definition of slander is absolutely correct! Both of these breeders have now publicly slandered eachother and nothing would holdup in court because they have now done the exact same thing to eachother exceptnowBailey has taken it to another level being that she has brought Chris Vass in this by stating he was convicted or did a crime he did not. Has anyone noticed that Shannon herself has said nothing bc she wants no more drama? Yet she is continued to be slandered by Bailey and her gang on lawyer wanna bes. Of course she said she changed her number Sofia Harnett! She was being harrassed! The text did not say that but Im sure you would know that since you typed and sent yourself.
NOW.......Bandit seems to be in a loving home as Bailey claims........isnt that what mattered sooooo much to her in the first place? Yet she keeps on slandering and Shannon well she dosent. What does that say for Bailey?
#53 Update By Author
AUTHOR: Bailey - San Antonio (United States of America)
SUBMITTED: Friday, March 16, 2012
POSTED: Friday, March 16, 2012
Here is the text I sent Shannon and NO where does it say Im rehoming Sequoia because she doent have a black mask! So I would get your facts straight or ask your "Friend" to quit lying to you also before you make an @ss out of yourself some more. Also I NEVER said Chriss was convitced! The said thing is Shannon and I were "friends" to the point she would text me and call me about her how bad chriss was and they split up and how she was back with her Ex "babies daddy" and then how she was back with Chriss. I also send videios of Bandit showing how we thought he was deaf or had a hearing problem and she still wanted him! How come Im the ONLY one that can show proof in EVERY alligation that I have stated.. and since I can that is NOT slannder!
#54 Update By Author
AUTHOR: Bailey - San Antonio (United States of America)
SUBMITTED: Friday, March 16, 2012
POSTED: Friday, March 16, 2012
where are my pictures?!?!
#55 Consumer Comment
AUTHOR: Nat - Houston (USA)
SUBMITTED: Friday, March 16, 2012
POSTED: Friday, March 16, 2012
Wow, are all of you for real? I just gave you the definitions on slander and libel.
The point that you all seem to not grasp is the fact that Shannon conducted slander and libel against Bailey Rubenking FIRST by stating the puppy "Bandit" died from genetic disorders and then refused to provide proof. Bailey has every right to defend her self and from what im reading Bailey is not and has not conducted slander or libel against Shannon or Chris Vass!
Once again here are the definitions....
Slander (noun)
1. defamation; calumny: rumors full of slander.
2. a malicious, false, and defamatory statement or report: a slander against his good name.
3. Law . defamation by oral utterance rather than by writing, pictures, etc.
Slander (verb)
1. to utter or circulate slander.
Libel (noun)
1. Law .
a. defamation by written or printed words, pictures, or in any form other than by spoken words or gestures.
b. the act or crime of publishing it.
c. a formal written declaration or statement, as one containing the allegations of a plaintiff or the grounds of a charge.
2. anything that is defamatory or that maliciously or damagingly misrepresents.
From what I see Bailey Rubenking HAS provided proof of everything she is stating, therefore it is NOT slander or libel!!! If Shannon would like to come forth and provide proof that states other wise then please do so!!
As I stated before, I don't know anyone on either side of this but I would think that if it JUST involved the re-homing of a un-wanted puppy, Bailey or any other breeder out there could look past that and move on as long as the puppy's best interest was at heart and he/she was re-homed responsibly. But Shannon Vass did not do that, Instead she took it to a another level and slandered Bailey to whomever and then libel (wrote it) publicly before the fight even started (according to Bailey's post)! This is where Shannon and Chris Vass can be sued over just the slander and libel alone. If Shannon Vass didn't want the puppy then MORALLY and ETHICALLY she FIST should have told his breeder that she really did not want him. Then other arrangements could have been made regarding the puppy Shannon sent to Bailey Rubenking, and Bailey her self could have found a new home for "Bandit" her self. However, If Shannon was uncertain if she wanted the puppy or not until she received him, then decided he would not fit in her program, then MORALLY and ETHICALLY she should have informed his breeder and once again arrangements could have been made regarding BOTH puppies. But instead she decided to re-home him, tell his breeder that he passed away and then wrote on Facebook and verbally spoke the words to whomever that the puppy in question not only passed away but also suffered from genetic disorders such as hip dysplasia, seizures, hearing and vision loss, under weight etc. etc..... THEN when the dead puppy is found ALIVE through a VET Shannon Vass and her friends make more false accusations against his breeder stating she found a LOOK ALIKE puppy just to make people believe her side of the story!! Come on people, are you all for real???????? The puppy was found by a VET through his microchip that was reported stolen. So by stating that, Shannon Vass and her friends are pretty much claiming that Bailey and new owner found Bandits dead body, cut out his microchip and implanted it in to this LOOK ALIKE puppy?!?!?! How sad!!!!
This entire situation could have been avoided and handled in PRIVATE but Shannon Vass struck the first blow with her unproven allegations! Bailey Rubenking has ever right to defend her name/reputation as well as Cognito Danes!! Shannon Vass should be ashamed of her self for everything she has done.
#56 Update By Author
AUTHOR: Bailey - San Antonio (United States of America)
SUBMITTED: Tuesday, March 27, 2012
POSTED: Tuesday, March 27, 2012
It's so sad that neither Chris or Shannon Vass can call and apologize for lying and hurting us the way they did but man to get a call from Scott Vass ( dead man on topic) was VERY interesting! Seems the Vass's have a lot of things rise from the dead! Seems like they are always surrounded by drama!
#57 Consumer Comment
AUTHOR: BAILEYISANIDIOT - (United States of America)
SUBMITTED: Monday, April 23, 2012
POSTED: Monday, April 23, 2012
Scott Vass had alot to say and you are bragging about that? Just to keep everyone up to speed...Scott Vass is a convicted child molester who just so happens to be Chris Vass's eldest brother by 15 years that Chris dosent even know because Scott has been in prison for the majority of his adult life! He also happens to be living in Texas at this moment and if I were Bailey I would not accept anymore phone calls from this psycho child molester seeing as she has children of her own and her address is posted publicly on the internet! Of course Scott has alot to say about Shannon because she does not allow him in or anywhere near her home and family! She has kids! That she loves and protects! He is SCUM! Smart move Bailey talking to him! As for the person that posted the definition of libel/slander twice...thanks we all read it the first time you copied and pasted your google definition on here. Speaking of.......looks as Bailey has mysteriously lost interest in her legal proceedings......guess she is too busy breeding her "show" dogs and producing more deaf danes to sell to people who dont know the difference! Noticed one of her big talkers up top learned some well known kennel names......Good thing Chris and Shannon bought a puppy from one of the above mentioned Kennels that will blow all of Bailey's dogs out of the water! Guess not everyone takes Bailey's threats for search and destroy seriously seeing as they bought a puppy from one of the most reputable kennels around ! Also.....they have not changed their kennel name nor went out of business.....why would they do that because of one person who is all talk and thrives for more posts like these so she can cause or thinks she can cause more of a stir up? Come up with something else Bailey... as you have already removed all missing puppy mystery from your website ! Glad the little booger is in a good home and not back with your crazy ass ....you would probably be breeding him soon for more deafies! Also.....the facebook thing...how long did that scenario take you? Shannon deleted all people that added you! They didnt delete her. She wanted no connection with you! The only ones that remain mutual friends are ones who have no clue whats going on and dont care or ones that rarely get on fb. That whole thing was ridiculous. She had 300 friends....how long did it take you to add all friends and family? Sounds like you have too much time on your hands! The only DRAMA here is the DRAMA you surround yourself with BAILEY
#58 Update By Author
AUTHOR: Bailey - San Antonio (United States of America)
SUBMITTED: Wednesday, April 25, 2012
POSTED: Wednesday, April 25, 2012
To Shannon, BAILEYISANIDIOT and friends,
Shannon, why do you and your defenders bring up irrelevant stuff to try and throw people off of the real topic?
This report was set into place so that anyone who decided to research Shannon Vass would find this report. You all can believe and say whatever you like! I took the time and did the right thing by making it publicly known as to what kind of person and breeder you really are. I as a human-being can only do so much. This rip off report can only do much. In the end it comes down to those who take the time to research their breeder or buyer. So Kudos to you Shannon for purchasing a Mantle Male from the KY breeder who obviously didn't do their home work. As long as a buyer holds $1,800, $2,500, or even $3,000 cash in hand, most breeders will turn their head away from the truth and sell them a puppy! It comes down to the almighty dollar. But not sure how any of this applies or effects me!? Its not me or my dog your hurting!
Yes, I did take down Bandits story off of my website. I felt there was no need to keep it up there any longer. I kept digging until I found the truth and the truth is posted in this report. There is no need to keep it on my website when the same story is posted here. I am for the moment satisfied as to the turn out of this matter, and im moving on. As for Shannon Vass who has repeatedly stated throughout this report that she is not bothered by me, that she is not responding to my post and that I am a stalker etc.. It seems to me that Shasnnon Vass is the stalker...
These are website states off of MY website. Do I really bother you people this much? or can we say Poplar Bluff Stalkers? This record goes pretty far back to!
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#59 Consumer Comment
AUTHOR: BAILEYISANIDIOT - (United States of America)
SUBMITTED: Wednesday, April 25, 2012
POSTED: Wednesday, April 25, 2012
How relevant is Scott Vass to all of this ? Ask yourself these questions Bailey Rubenking before you post IRRELEVANT STUFF.
Good for you! You have a website statement! That makes Shannon stalker because she wants to know what more ludacris shit you are coming up with? I'm pretty sure your website is public and if she wants to visit it 80 times a day she is allowed! Make it private if you dont want certain people on it just like your facebook! Speaking of fACEBOOK... how long did that take you? You didnt get any message out there about what kind of breeder she really is only what kind of psycho stalker you are! Good for her! She bought a great blood puppy from a great breeder that could see her for more than what one person says about her! The breeder was told all about you before she got the puppy...so research or no research you are still spouting irrelevant things! How do you know she got this mantle male puppy from KY? Must be more research......certainly not stalker activity! Your posts become more and more desperate for an ending. There is no legal action because you have no court case and honestly non one cares about this besides you and Shannon who is not posting on here.....wonder when she gets her website up and going if she should put a tracker on hers and see how many times you visit! Or even attempts to get on her facebook! You do nothing but keep making yourself look more ridiculous with your feeble attempts to make someone look bad besides yourself.
#60 Update By Author
AUTHOR: Bailey - San Antonio (United States of America)
SUBMITTED: Thursday, April 26, 2012
POSTED: Thursday, April 26, 2012
To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead
- Thomas Paine
#61 Consumer Comment
AUTHOR: BAILEYISANIDIOT - (United States of America)
SUBMITTED: Thursday, April 26, 2012
POSTED: Thursday, April 26, 2012
Experience has shown, and a true philosophy will always show, that a vast, perhaps the larger portion of the truth arises from the seemingly irrelevant.
Edgar Allan Poe
#62 Consumer Comment
AUTHOR: Shannon-and-Friends-Are-Idiots - (United States of America)
SUBMITTED: Thursday, April 26, 2012
POSTED: Thursday, April 26, 2012
BAILEYISANIDIOT, Does your butt get jealous of the crap that comes out of your mouth? What is your part in this dispute between Shannon Vass and Bailey Rubenking anyway? Ive sat here reading this entire thread of ridiculous slaps back and forth and I must say, BAILEYISANIDIOT you are a very disturbed individual! The one thing I would really like to know is why YOU are on here throwing your b**** slaps around instead of Shannon Vass? I seen in your post from March 15th 2012 - Shannon is an adult and can speak for herself unlike Bailey who has all the likeness of a child. Seriously? Shannon is an adult and can speak for her self? Seriously? Where? Because all I see is this Shannon wannabe who goes by the name of BAILEYISANIDIOT, who thinks their hot s*** in a champagne glass, when in fact you are nothing more then cold diarrhea in dixie cup! How's that for a Facebook quote!? Or are you Shannon her self to chicken to face Bailey her self?
Shannon Vass. As ive stated above, ive sat here and read this entire thread. It is in My Opinion that you, as well as your Minion BAILEYISANIDIOT are very disturbed individuals. Anyone who truly reads this report can see that Bailey Rubenking is right. Im sorry but she has from the very beginning provided proof to what she stated. You have not! Instead you tuck your tail, shut down your website, state that you will not respond to these reports or provide proof, then run and hide.
The last post made by Bailey was March 27th 2012. That is an indicator to me that Bailey is over this and has decided to move on. Then out of no where BAILEYISANIDIOT post on April 23rd 2012 posting rediculous stuff that doesnt even apply to origaonal report. BAILEYISANIDIOT, I really dont think anyone cares that Shannon Vass got a new puppy or where it came from. It is unfortunate that most breeders do not research their buyers or to them money talks while bull s*** walks! Sad but very true!! Either way, I dont think Bailey cares!
BAILEYISANIDIOT, Why do you care that Bailey took the website page down talking about Shannon Vass? You act like that pisses you off! Did you want the page to stay up? Im sure if you want it back up Bailey would be more then happy to grant your request!
BAILEYISANIDIOT, Why do you call Bailey Rubenking a "stalker"? It truly is funny to see that Bailey pasted in her website states showing how much Shannon lives on her website. Wow! Do you really like reading about your self that much? I also dont think anyone really cares if Shannon Vass gets website states. I seriously doubt that Bailey visits your website! Oh wait, that's right she cant... Because Shannon shut it down when she ran!
BAILEYISANIDIOT, The problem is between Bailey and Shannon and I think they both need to work this problem out them selves!! So why dont you be a good little Minion and let your master fight her own battles!!
Good luck Bailey Rubenking!
BAILEYISANIDIOT, im sure you WILL have the last word, even to my post! You seriously need a new addiction. Kissing your masters a** so much is leaving ring marks around your lips!
#63 Consumer Comment
AUTHOR: Everyone Hides Behind the Keyboard! - (United States of America)
SUBMITTED: Friday, April 27, 2012
POSTED: Friday, April 27, 2012
To BAILEYSANIDIOT GROW UP ALREADY POST-
Lets all suppose Bailey and Shannon's scenario here really mattered.....do you find coming on the internet and interferring just as BAILEYSANIDIOT makes you any better than whoever it is?
You contradict ALOT of your statements! YOU LOOK LIKE BAILEYS LITTLE MINION!
All of your stand up comments for Bailey were cute but shows how uneducated you are.
TO BAILEYSANIDIOT-
Sweet defending your friend or whatever Shannon is to you but looks as though she has decided to not go on with these claims that Bailey has made. Even though Bailey's knack for stirring the pot is quite entertaining her statements have become quite drab and desperate for more drama then why can't you see the more you post the more she feeds on it?
To Bailey-
Good to see a breeder actually caring to know where her puppies end up. Thats about the only positive thing I can see that has come from all this after watching post after post of empty threats and alot of untrue statements on both ends from you and Shannon. Yes...Shannon ...well looks like she lied to you! Not the 1st time in your life or the last time you will be lied to. Put on your big girl panties and move on.
I hope you learn from this experience to make more than a verbal contract if you tend to see things through with your puppies in the future. BUT....making claims she is an unethical BYB hold no more truth than what you are doing. I have investigated her program and the puppy mill claims and BYB stuff? Well now takes alot more than producing ONE litter to be a puppy mill. ALSO.....I have contacted AKC....there has only been 3 puppies actually registered out of her ONLY litter. One puppy which was registered to you.....NO AKC forms were registered to Shannon Vass or Christopher Vass...the other 2 people were from other states just as yourself....so the hearsay on the falsifying AKC paperwork? UNTRUE. BYB? Well Bailey dear....look at your webpage compared to what hers was....about the same....besides maybe hers was sponsored free? Your dogs are no better looking than hers and if I do say so myself.....both of you have good specimens of Great Danes and should really put aside all of this back and forth about insulting eachothers puppies! Bailey...I am sure the whole thing was upsetting for you but be the more grown up one here and stop all this mess.
Shannon-
I forsee the road alot less traveled for you and your breeding program in the future if you are just truthful with fellow breeders! I dont understand the reason as a whole as to why you did some of the things you did or said but a lie is a lie and you proabaly do owe Bailey an apology. I dont know if you are reading this as you have not posted for a long while but maybe a phone call would be more mature than bashing eachother on here? Alot of hurtful things have been said on here and I can see Bailey has been a little vindictive with words but thats all they are after all...on both your parts. Sad to see such two young ladies go at eachother like this even trying to take jabs at family life? Honestly you both should be equally ashamed...........
Just so you both know.....
I am friends with both of you on facebook and I see your newsfeeds and status changes everyday! Bailey! I love looking at Great Danes and if Shannon still had a website I would visit everyday just as I do yours to see updates. So call me a stalker! Pretty sure thats what public websites are for...THE PUBLIC.
I am also friends with RHGD in Poplar Bluff on facebook....saw a post on Shannon's facebook one day about this situation ...... Shannon was accused once again by Bailey to have caused this RHGD breeder in Poplar Bluff to be unable to sell a puppy or something. Shannon forwarded me the email to this breeder written over 2 years ago asking if a light marked harl female was possibly a piebald? The breeder replied no lightly marked harl. I called Dr. Fox.....he has no record of Shannon EVER bringing in or inquiring about a piebald great dane.....he also made the statement he would NOT give out breeding advice on colors of great danes due to the fine lines of it all!
As you both can see , rumors get spread and the more one talks the larger the story grows. Shannon LIED. Bailey keeps coming up with more false information the more I read and investigated.
Ladies.....GET OVER YOURSELVES.....ENJOY THIS BREED> LET IT LIE
#64 Consumer Comment
AUTHOR: Everyone Hides Behind the Keyboard! - (United States of America)
SUBMITTED: Thursday, May 03, 2012
POSTED: Thursday, May 03, 2012
Interesting enough it appears Bandit's new owner is now selling another great dane on ebay classifieds(same place Bandit was bought NOT CRAIGSLIST) with Bandit standing right next to her in the picture! Interesting enough for the exact SAME rehoming fee that was charged to them for Bandit! Wonder if Bandit will be for sale next? These poor dogs bounced place to place ....no wonder there are so many dogs in shelters is because people like these.....Shannon, Bandit's new owner "Steve" who I see above commented on what a "sleezeball" Shannon was when infact he is doing the EXACT same thing!
People- when you commit to a dog its like having a child.....they count on you for stability!
Maybe everyone should not be so quick to judge now that Bandit will soon be up for a rehoming fee AGAIN on ebay classifieds!
#65 Consumer Comment
AUTHOR: nessax27 - San Antonio (United States of America)
SUBMITTED: Monday, May 21, 2012
POSTED: Monday, May 21, 2012
I recently bought a male harl great Dane from Bailey and I can honestly say it has been nothing less but a great experience. From the very beginning I got quick responses to my million questions over emails. She even let me come to her home to see the sire of my dog before I could make a decision to purchase him.
Being in her home I can assure you that she cares for her own Danes as if they were her children. They are beyond spoiled. More importantly they are loved and very well cared for.
In buying my first Dane from her I still have thousands of questions and she still answers them. My Duke is a very healthy (and handsome I might add) almost 5 month old 70lb puppy.
To say anything negative about her breeding/care for dogs is absurd. I'm 100% positive she cared for Bandit and was looking out for the well being of him.
