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  • Submitted: Wednesday, July 27, 2005
  • Last Posting: Wednesday, September 05, 2007
  • Reported By:Asheville North Carolina
Dalton Management, Innovage
36 Rosscraggon Road, Suite E Asheville North Carolina U.S.A.

Dalton Management, Innovage entry level marketing employment fraud Ripoff Asheville North Carolina


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Having read reports on this site about Innovage, I would like to draw the public's attention to Dalton Management in Asheville, NC, which is another Innovage regional office, run by a woman named Beth Dubrock. Users who have found this report under Dalton Management please search this site for reports on Innovage - it is the parent company and will give you a much better idea of what this company is up to.

My experience of Dalton Management is very similar to many of the reports for Innovage on this site - I applied to a job advertised as a graduate entry-level management position in marketing and went through their first interview and second interview (observation of a day's work) stages. I was very suspicious of their activities after my first interview (during which the interviewer was unbelievably vague about their area of work) but did not hear the name Innovage mentioned until the observation day. This day was spent observing an extremely enthusiastic, but completely money-driven and immoral, salesperson whilst they went about their day's work. In brief their day's work involved driving to a small regional town and driving from shop to shop, small business to small business, trying to sell very low-quality products to the employees who work there before the manager appears to kick them off the premises. It is marketing at its very basest level.

As with all Innovage companies, I was promised that, provided I put in the hard work, I could be earning $50,000 to $100,000 within six months and could open my own franchise. Throughout, I was sickened by the company's obsession with making money at the expense of everything else and the shameless tactics that they would employ to con hard-working low-paid workers out of money. For instance, the salesperson that I was observing told every customer that a portion of their payment would be donated to the 9/11 firefighters appeal. She later told me in confidence that it wasn't true - the company had made a donation to the appeal but that none of the sales profits would go to good causes.

Dalton Management is a company run by people with cult-like abilities for luring in unsuspecting job-seekers. The workers are desperate individuals who will go to any lengths to try to win the favor of their demanding managers, working 6 or 7 day weeks, 12 hour days, where vacation is frowned upon. I was told by the manager "if an employee asks for a day off, I take it as a sign of a lack of commitment to the job. They can take as much as they like, but they can forget their chance of promotion".

I left the second interview pretty certain that I was not going to accept a position if I was offered one. Reading testimonies of other past Innovage employees on this website affirmed that decision. I would recommend anyone reading this report not even to apply to a job at Dalton Management.

Anon.
Hendersonville, North Carolina
U.S.A.

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#1 Owner of Company

PRESIDENT

AUTHOR: Sarah - ASHEVILLE (U.S.A.)

You sad little loser. Another failure blaming the company, have you no integrity? Do you even know the definition of marketing? I sit here laughing my pants off as I read your story. For the hundreds of people who did not have the committment, self confidence, dedication, or ability to deal with or look over the quarks of a buisness that is the real reason you were not called back or offered a position. There are tens of thousands of people around the world who have succeded by following the same system, selling the same products, knocking the same doors. FACT! It is not a coventional company like our parents or grandparents worked for, where you clock in then clock out, five to six days a week. Get four weeks holiday a year, a basic wage (what they think you're worth) and you do that till your sixty. It's an opportunity business! You have the opportunity to build a business for youself that makes profit. But before you can manage other people successfully you have to manage yourself successfully.
Knowbody likes to admit defeat or blame themselves for failing, or face the fact of "You don't have what it takes".

It's easier to blame something or someone else because it feels better. Even better still, is find people with the same lack of integrity and share each others stories on how the company is this and that. Misery loves company!

Visionaries look for positives, Bill Gates, Richard Branson, Micheal Jordan, Olympian atheletes.. etc. Success has a price attatched: lots of hours, lots of effort, personal development, adapting to change, and a positive mind set.

Once again, the company helps people become successfull who are willing to pay the price. It also chews up and spits out the weak. Same as every other sports club, top university, Blue collor job... etc thats life.

If you do have reservations about the company why don't you contact the tens of thousands of men and women, young and old, black and white, educated and non educated people around the world who have taken advantage of the opportunity and made themselves successfull. The success stories will outway the horror stories 1000-1.

For all you people who like to blame eveything else for your failures, GOOD LUCK in life, you will need lots of it.

For what it is worth, I am not in control of everything that goes on in the field, but I will tell you that after I was notified of the behavior of this one particular distributor, they were eliminated. This problem could have been resolved if the proper questions had been asked in the second interview, but frankly that individual did not have the mentality I was looking for.

Dalton Management, Inc.
Asheville, N.C.
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#2 Consumer Suggestion

innovage phone

AUTHOR: Oldham - San Antonio (U.S.A.)

the phone is called the talking caller id lcd touch panel phone put out by innovage the pohone is a rio off the handsets do not work the sound quality is very poor there are no numbers for customer service no troubleshooting guide there is nothing to help unsupecting consumers use yout product.

i find it in very poor taste for the president of the company to respond to a disqruntled applicant. your response to his disstress was way over the top. your company should be ashamed for putting out such inferior products and should be apologizing to the american public for bilking us out of our money instead of chastizing someone you didn't hire anyway.

i have been in sales and marketing for 20years and your image of yourself is overinflated. i can not return your product because it was a wedding gift but you can besure that i will tell everyone and email as many people as i can to stay away from your products and your company after all most consumers would like to deal with a professional comopany instead of whining, crybabies who can not take the heat

thank you for your time

loretta
san antonio, tezas
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#3 Consumer Comment

Presidential support

AUTHOR: Sarah - Charlotte (U.S.A.)

Loretta, for someone with 20 years of experience in anything, I would hope that you can type properly. And Sarah of Asheville...JUICE by that!
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#4 Consumer Comment

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AUTHOR: Jeff - Charlotte (U.S.A.)

After the response from the "owner" I have a suggestion, NEVER USE SAD IN YOUR FIRST LINE. Didn't they teach that in Marketing 301, 302, 460, something? Currently I work for an advertising firm in Charlotte, NC - a real advertising firm. One were BellSouth isn't our primary client, or one where selling pizza at a gas station is not an option. Another thing is don't judge. Is it a scam? No!! But is it fair? NO! Business is not fair, but logical. Its not Logical to believe a college graduate who will amount to a successful, well appreciated employee, will not submit themselves to that. Our firm never, never, never hires employees from firms like that. In my opinion I believe yourself and Dalton are a liability to the business, advertising, and marketing community. If you think money makes you successful your absolutely wrong!!! Marketing and advertising isn't just about the sale, it is about the relationship and the steps towards the sale, before the close. Please next time you drill someone and tell them they are a sad person, soul, employee, or whatever, looking in the mirror. I just don't get it with places like that and the people that work there, ALL OF YOU ARE THE SAME!!! I was wondered why I get my best employees from people who interviewed there and didn't get hired? They're smart enough to figure it out. By the way miss, mrs, ms owner, our company makes more a year than your office ever will. If you rebut to this, don't use the argument of money. Thank you
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#5 Consumer Suggestion

Metro-MSI are people who lie to sucker others in

AUTHOR: Fedup - Fort Lauderdale (U.S.A.)

Metro MSI:

My ex fiance became employed with Metro MSI one year ago. She was promised a managers postion within 6 months of hire date. After 6 months came and went and no manager postion. She was then promised a managers position within 8 months. 8 Months came and went and still no manager position became available. Now it is comming up to one year and my fiance' puts in well over 80 hrs a week and brings home barely $350 a week on an avarage. We have had many, many arguements over this job and it eventually was the demise of our relationship. So many hours invested, while her manager recognizing that my fiance was making alot of money for them. Management set goals for each individual, (Goals consist of making a certain amount of cash sales per day). when in actuality, its not the employees goal, but rather the manager who sets the goals in order to make money for management, leaving the one who labors broke...

It is a pyramid scam... You have to get a certain many employees to work under you for a certain period of time. This can also be seen in Amway type pyramid scams. It does not work because of the type of people the job attracts. Every now and then, Metro MSI gets a good person (like my ex-finance) and this is how they make their money. Exploiting good intentions from good people in order to gain for themselves.

After my finance was employed with Metro-MSI, she had to ride with a manager to go from business to business trying to sell cheap junk that most dollar stores will never carry. While doing door to door, the managers car was broken into and my finance had her purse stolen... Metro-MSI didn't feel obligated to pay for this. I had to argue and fight to get only 50% back.

After approximately 8 months of being employed with Metro-MSI, my ex had to go with new applicants into the field to do sales. While she stopped to get gas, the two applicants went into her purse and stole all of her money, and the money that was collected from sales for the day. Metro-MSI made my ex, and I pay all of it back...

Please, do not be sucked in to this company... You will not progress forward in life. You can make way more money working at Mc Donalds with the hours they enforce at Metro-MSI. Metro-MSI pays commission only, so remember this when you try to sell somebody a piece of junk. They actually put you through alot of fake "positve self improvement" crap that actually blinds the employee into thinking this company cares about the employee, when in actuality all they care about is their own pockets getting fatter and fatter.

Ever seen requiem for a dream? Remember "JUICE BY SARA, JUICE BY SARA, GOOOOO SARA!!!!!" They actually say this and use "Juice" as some type of metaphore for positve affirmation... I think it is very cult like, and very scary that the woman I was with for 5 years was so easily manipulated into this crap....

Remember, if what they say is true, and thousands upon thousands of people who work for Metro-MSI are successful people, then don't you think everybody would be doing it?

CRAZY

PLEASE LEARN FROM THIS WARNING!!!!!!!!!!
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ITS METRO - MSI NOW!!!! THEY CHANGE THE NAME TO KEEP GOING

AUTHOR: Fedup - Fort Lauderdale (U.S.A.)

Metro MSI:

My ex-Fiance' became employed with Metro MSI one year ago. She was promised a managers postion within 6 months of hire date. After 6 months came and went and no manager postion. She was then promised a managers position within 8 months. 8 Months came and went and still no manager position became available. Now it is comming up to one year and my fiance' puts in well over 80 hrs a week and brings home barely $350 a week on an avarage. We have had many, many arguements over this job and it eventually was the demise of our relationship. So many hours invested, while her manager recognizing that my fiance' was making alot of money for them. Management set goals for each individual, (Goals consist of making a certain amount of cash sales per day). when in actuality, its not the employees goal, but rather the manager who sets the goals in order to make money for management, leaving the one who labors broke...

It is a pyramid scam... You have to get a certain many employees to work under you for a certain period of time. This can also be seen in Amway type pyramid scams. It does not work because of the type of people the job attracts. Every now and then, Metro MSI gets a good person (like my ex-fiance') and this is how they make their money. Exploiting good intentions from good people in order to gain for themselves.

After my fiance' was employed with Metro-MSI, she had to ride with a manager to go from business to business trying to sell cheap junk that most dollar stores will never carry. While doing door to door, the managers car was broken into and my fiance' had her purse stolen... Metro-MSI didn't feel obligated to pay for this. I had to argue and fight to get only 50% back.

After approximately 8 months of being employed with Metro-MSI, my ex had to go with new applicants into the field to do sales. While she stopped to get gas, the two applicants went into her purse and stole all of her money, and the money that was collected from sales for the day. Metro-MSI made my ex, and I pay all of it back...

Please, do not be sucked in to this company... You will not progress forward in life. You can make way more money working at Mc Donalds with the hours they enforce at Metro-MSI. Metro-MSI pays commission only, so remember this when you try to sell somebody a piece of junk. They actually put you through alot of fake "positve self improvement" crap that actually blinds the employee into thinking this company cares about the employee, when in actuality all they care about is their own pockets getting fatter and fatter.

Ever seen requiem for a dream? Remember "JUICE BY SARA, JUICE BY SARA, GOOOOO SARA!!!!!" They actually say this and use "Juice" as some type of metaphore for positve affirmation... I think it is very cult like, and very scary that the woman I was with for 5 years was so easily manipulated into this crap....

Remember, if what they say is true, and thousands upon thousands of people who work for Metro-MSI are successful people, then don't you think everybody would be doing it?

CRAZY
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