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  • Submitted: Wednesday, December 09, 2009
  • Last Posting: Tuesday, January 19, 2010
  • Reported By: jenn — verona Pennsylvania United States of America
Target Coporation
2661 Freeport Road pittsburgh Pennsylvania 15238 United States of America

Target Coporation Firing for no reason pittsburgh, Pennsylvania

*UPDATE EX-employee responds: texas is at will too_


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I got hired at Target as they were opening a new store in Harmarville,PA. I was on the price accuracy team.I worked there for my 90 days thinking thank goodness because I had watched them fire random people.I was never late I did my job well and never called off within my 90 days.I loved my job!Well on my 90th day in the morning the price accuracy team leader position went up for an opening ( the previous team leader found a better job) so I applied for that position and at the end of the day on my 90th day I get called into the office.So I am thinking it is to talk to me about the position. Well to my surprise I was told that " I was not a good fit and that target was looking for an image and I was not it"Then I come to find out that I was training a girl to replace me can you imagine. I begged to keep my job but it was a losing battle. I even filed with the Target corp. Head office and the reply I finally recieved was that Target was well within their rights as Pennsylvania is an at will state.Meaning if I would have not went to the office they could not have fired me for not being a good fit or not having the right look. They would have actually had to have a reason. I have 2 children and am a single mother.I was relying on that job to support my household. For sure I am no beauty Queen I am normal but to be told you don't have the right look, COME ON! Since then all of the people I know will no longer spend a dime in Target!!!I do have the paperwork from unemployment that states on there "I was not a good fit" and that being my reason for termination

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#1 Ex-Employee

Jenn - Chances are...you're much better off.

AUTHOR: Alfred - (United States of America)

Jenn,

I am very sorry to hear of your employment problems with Target Corp. It sounds like your termination was recent and these things sting, so you might not agree with me, but it is my belief that you have been set free.

The most important take away is simply this...being fired from Target was one of the best things to ever happen to me and my life has been scary good since they freed me. Granted, I didn't think this after being fired and during my job search, but sometimes we don't really know what's best - at least I didn't (and don't).

After I got the job with Target, I should have realized something was up since one of my first assignments was to terminate an employee - just to make sure I could do it without any loose ends - my personal analysis of the employee's performance was irrelevant. Prior to Target, my employers expected me to hire right and then fight for my employees and give them every opportunity to overcome their struggles and help them succeed, terminating an employee was ultimately considered my fault since I hired them.

Target, well, not so much.

My experience was that Target's expectation was for me to constantly recommend promotions and terminations - every month. Also, my direct reports were expected to do this, as were my supervisors. When I would socialize with the other managers, much of the discussion would center on whom they had just fired or were about to fire. Not to mention, the Holy Grail was getting an employee to "self select" (making their work life so difficult that they would quit - thereby avoiding any recourse to the employee or unemployment costs to the company).

Business-wise, they are great for consumers, very nimble and efficient in almost all (if not all) areas of retailing, operations, supply chain, etc. Paradoxically, their HR department is excellent also. Unfortunately, my experience is that they define their HR success as the quantity of new hires, not the quality. After all, the managers are accountable for constantly terminating and promoting other employees. Question is...How can they continue to hire and promote at the same time? My experience is that they are terminating from all levels of the company, all the time, at a significantly greater rate than other retailers I have worked for. This creates a constant need for new hires and promotions. In the end, I believe the company benefits from a very finely tuned workforce that rarely is expected to think creatively (at least in the stores - thinking goes on at the HQ only), again, my personal experience.

My experience was that they pay less (compared to other "Big Box" retailers) and use their carefully manicured image and very efficient HR programs to create the belief they take care of their employees - which the employees in turn believe ("Targetization" - their term). They clearly understand the law and what "at-will" employment is. What they miss is the moral obligation to their employees. Just because it is profitable to do something to someone doesn't mean you should.

My Solution....

I am very conservative and generally don't believe in unions. I have worked my life to keep them away. That being said, I cannot emphasize enough how much I believe Target should be unionized. Funny thing is, because all their employees are "Targetized", their own employees would never approve a union. Talk about a great defense - like the abused child telling the court how much they love their abusive parents and how they deserved their punishment because they shouldn't have misbehaved in the first place. Thank God the abused children don’t get to determine guilt or innocence of their abusers. Unfortunately, it’s my opinion that Target employees are like the abused children and will never find anything wrong with Target.

Jenn, I hope you have the opportunity to read this before the Target Legal Department has this message removed. After all they have to protect their image. No one likes to be thought of as abusive to employees - even if they are.

If you work for Target, and love it, congratulations, this message doesn't apply to you - keep up the good work.


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#2 Consumer Comment

Why you got fired

AUTHOR: Anonymous - Worcester (U.S.A.)

Thats because they thought you were sexually harrassing other females. One of the females told me that you said to them they have a nice ass. So, they fired you thinking you were a prevert.
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#3 Update By Author

thanx you

AUTHOR: jenn - verona (United States of America)

Thank you Alfred I feel better knowing it was nnot just me and I absolutely agree with you they should have a union.I am convinced when the law was made for "AT WILL" it was not intended for hard working people to be let go for not being a good fit.Thank you  again.

As for you Mr. Anonymos,

you are so far off base that I am not even reponding to you.


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#4 Consumer Comment

Misunderstanding "at will" employment.

AUTHOR: Flynrider - Phoeix (U.S.A.)

"Target was well within their rights as Pennsylvania is an at will state.Meaning if I would have not went to the office they could not have fired me for not being a good fit or not having the right look. They would have actually had to have a reason."

   That's not how it works.   At will employment means that either you or the company can terminate employment at any time, for any (or no) reason, except for discrimination against a protected class (which you do not claim).  

  In other words, it doesn't matter if you had gone to the office or not.  You would have been fired either way.


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#5 Update By Author

AT WILL LAW

AUTHOR: jenn - verona (United States of America)

Actually the at will part has to be done within your 90 day probationary period. Had I not went into the office it would have been 91 days which in turn they would have had to have a legitimate reason
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#6 Consumer Comment

At will

AUTHOR: JAFO - Atlanta (USA)

Actually, your state's at-will statute does state clearly that you CAN be fired at ANY time so long as it is not for an illegal reason, i.e. discrimination, retaliation, etc...  You can fight it IF you can establish you had some tenure of employment.  90 days ain't tenure.  You can try and fight it if you want but remember that Target has many,many skilled lawyers.  They rarely screw up terminations and the burden of proof will entirely be on you to prove they violated the statute.  My money, no offense, would be on you losing.

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#7 Ex-Employee

Texas is at will too.

AUTHOR: Burned out - Waco (USA)

I live in Texas and it is an "at-will" state too. They don't have to have to have a reason for firing. They don't even have to tell you why you were fired if they don't want to. They can just  get up one morning and decide they don't want to look at you anymore.

Target places no value on "team members" anymore.  They are disposable. I worked for the company for over 20 years. The last couple of years they started running off long-time employees.  I didn't get fired, I just got fed up. Don't worry about getting fired. At least you didn't invest a 1/3 of your life in the place for nothing.


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