Joel And Kathy Davison - Joel And Kathy Davidson Book Sellers Internet

Greetings our friend,

Yes, we want people to buy our books. The first book, "The Man of Her Dreams/The Woman of His!" is so "special" that it creates miracles in marriages all over the world - everywhere that it is read.

The book is $15 plus $3 shipping. Wow. What a miracle it is.

When we felt that God wanted us to write this first book, we had no idea what would happen. Being transparent that Joel was a Pastor, was abusive to Kathy and ended up committing adultery was scary, to say the least.

We we involved in ministry already - and the adultery that had happened 13 years before was becoming a distant memory. The abuse that had ended 10 years before was becoming a distant memory.

Suddenly, we felt like God said, "Write a book and tell about the abuse, the adultery and tell what I taught you that changed your marriage from misery to an outrageously happy marriage!"

Egads. It was either the end of our "ministry" - or the beginning of a brand new one.

Well, the rest is history. Over 10,000 copies have been purchased and thousands of couples have had their lives changed.

At first, it seemed like we were not even personally necessary!

Everyone who read that first book got an instantaneous miracle in their marriage.

Then, after that initial "YES!!" from the Lord, of overnight miracles, some of the couples seemed to need more help.

So, since 2004, we have developed, in response to the need: A FREE 24/7 marriage mentoring forum online. That is at www.JoelandKathy.com/boards/ It is manned by ourselves and couples whom have received miracles in their own marriages through the book or the book and the other resources we have developed.

We also offer FOUR weekly NATIONWIDE MARRIAGE MENTORING phone calls! The information is on our Itinerary page at www.GodSaveMyMarriage.com The calls are "basically" free. (Just order any product or give any gift, of any size, in a 30 day period and you can access all four calls per week for the full month. Wow.

These calls are also manned by ourselves, and other couples whom we have helped. They are now able to help others! These are not "normal" couples - these are couples who had SEVERE marriage troubles: porn, abuse, adultery and more - and they now enjoy HEALED and HAPPY marriages! Wow!

In 2006, we wrote a second book. "Livin' it and Lovin' it!" We think it is even better than the first one!

That book is $17.

The first book has 256 pages

The second book has 376 pages.

MANY MEN who have NEVER read another book have READ these and CHANGED!

They are written with MEN in mind.

Large letters.

Lots of white space.

We also offer Weekend Marriage Intensives for a maximum of seven couples.

These cost $595, plus travel, plus hotel.

So, yes - if we can convince you to buy a $15 book, or a $15 book and a $17 book, for a total of less than $40 when you add in the shipping cost of $6 for priority mail - and if you can get a TOTAL miracle in your marriage, then we want to SELL, SELL, SELL, SELL, SELL!

If 1 million copies would be sold in the next few years, the divorce rate in the church would go from 50% to much, much lower.

The books carry such a miracle in them.

One comment that you made though, our friend, confuses me.

I went to the Christian bookstore today. Family Christian Books. They have locations all across the country.

Every book in the store was written by Christians, for Christians. Every book was written by someone who has a ministry.

I picked out ten books that were really, really good looking books.

I was so happy.

I went up to the register and struck up a conversation.

I thanked the manager for letting me have the books.

He was VERY confused.

After a few awkward moments, it became painfully obvious that the books were being SOLD, not given away.

OH MY GOD! HELP US! ALL OF THE MINISTRIES who wrote these books were SELLING BOOKS!

God, your people are "rip offs!" They are actually SELLING their books!

This lovely person who wrote this "rip off" report, claims that I was supposed to be GIVEN all of those books for free at the Christian book store.

WHAT IS GOING ON HERE? WHY CAN'T WE GET THESE BOOKS FOR FREE!!!!

ARGGHHHH!!!!! THE HORROR!!!!! ALL OF THOSE AUTHORS are RIP-OFFS!

Thank you, our new friend, for exposing those frauds. Every last one of them. From every possible doctrine, persuasion and denomination. They are all crooks!

Wow. You are like the ONLY TRUE CHRISTIAN, in the ENTIRE world. I cannot find ANYONE else who thinks that all of the Christian book stores are RIP-OFFS for selling books. You are such a saint.

PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE, for ALL of our benefit, TELL US NOW, WHERE can we get all of those books for free? We will fly there today! Where is that "free" books bookstore?

Oh. The LIBRARY! I got it! Thank you.

But wait. They are rip-offs too. They actually expect me to BRING THE BOOKS back after I read them.

Oh well. I am defeated. Everyone who prints or authors a book are rip-offs.

You are truly amazing. The only Godly person on planet earth.

I hope that your message gets out there. FREE BOOKS for everyone! Where is that store again?

Oh, you know somoene on the internet who gives books away free?

Yes, I am sure they are out there somewhere... HEY, WAIT A MINUTE!

WE GIVE 120 pages of our first book away for TOTALLY FREE!

WOW! HEY! That must make us the only truly "correct" ministry in the world, in your estimation.

Yes, it is true. Just go to www.GodSaveMyMarriage.com and you can get half of our first book for FREE. Wow. FREE.

Yes, we have given away about 50,000 free PDF copies of "half" of our book over the last few years.

Thank you for spreading the word!

This is not a rebuttal to the original posting, but some observations based upon watching the various 'free' materials that I have been inundated with after signing up to preview Joel and Kathy Davisons marriage wonder machine.

1. I find it out of Christian character that Joels response to this fellows criticism about selling books is so sarcastic and condemning. It could have been more effective to merely state the fact that one can't minister for free unless one is financially independent, and that in order to get their ideas across, one must read more than a blog, which means an investment in personal time and a book, and labor and printing costs money.

2. After watching numerous videos of Joel and Kathy, I have become immune to their proposals that vilify men as the virus in marriages. That IS the common theme. I am reasonably sure that their marriage course WILL work wonders for any marriage, assuming that the male wants to roll over and play dead....and I'm sorry, but that's what I'm seeing. I've reviewed their website and their forum and they make it clear that there is no room for rebuttal from any other perspective than their own. I am glad that their marriage is so blissful, but my gut tells me that their pretentious and ostentatious displays of affection are done for the purpose of showmanship, and I'm seeing nothing that tells me that there are always 2 sides to every story beyond the idea that if men would just get smart then their women would be good to them. That is nothing more than 'man-bashing'. Incidentally, their forum has no arena for men who have bad wives: I suppose that is so because in their minds, women aren't the ones with problems.

3. Biblically, I don't find as much support for their cause as they would like us to think. I find however, numerous verses about the male/female role as one that is dominant/submissive, which idea is never compromised or nullified from Genesis to Revelations. Joel and Kathy present a different viewpoint of the Biblical roles of male and female and have a problem with the 'traditional' viewpoint and I understand that, but the 'Biblical' or 'traditional' problem is really about how that idea has been perversely implemented in peoples lives individually. The solution is not about bringing another lopsided notion to the table, but in recognizing ones' proper role in Gods economy and accepting that without becoming a tyrant or a doormat. 

4. The Christian way of life is one of personal crucifixion to the self-life, and selfishness IS the root cause of all problems, which neither men nor women are immune to. It takes 2 to tango. The principles of human relationship are the same for both sexes, each one needs love, acceptance, respect etc, and believe it or not Joel and Kathy, A WOMAN CAN BE the major problem creator. Maybe I can phrase it this way in juxtaposition to their theory: IF a woman only shows a modicum of respect for her man, THEN her man would show her the love that she needs. It works 2 ways, but surprisingly in Joel and Kathys economy, the male is responsible for all of the bad stuff and only if HE changes will things straighten out. Ironically, that makes the male the bigger person of the two doesn't it? LOL 

Maybe I'll try their program out after all and silently revel in my superiority. LOLOLOL

Hi friend,

You reported that you signed up for our materials and have visited our website and forum. That would suggest that you have marriage problems.

That has to be a safe assumption. Why would you sign up for a marriage course or go to a marriage forum if you have a great marriage?  You would not. So I am going to address you from the viewpoint that your marriage is in need of help.

You can do one of two things regarding your marital difficulties.

One idea is that you can keep your current opinions - the opinions that have been the "umpire" over your current marriage. This will assure you more of the same. After all, insanity is "doing things the same way and expecting different results this time!"

The second idea would be for you to learn from someone like us.

At this point in your life, based on your comments, it is obvious that you have decided to continue on in your current belief systems concerning marriage.

Let us know how that works out.

If it appears that your way gets the same results that you have gotten up to this point in your life - and if you would like to learn something new, we are here for you!

My X-husband abused me and terrorized me for 8 years.  He reluctantly read this book at the suggestion of one of his friends.  He actually apologized to me!  I do not know whether he has changed or if it's a scam, but he claims he threw the book across the room several times wanting to believe it was all my fault for any marriage problem.  He called at 3AM to tell me he had been an a** and said he was sorry for acting like an 18 month old baby.

We are sorry that you felt that we were being sarcastic to a sincere believer who filed the original report above.

We are familiar with who the person is. They are not a sincere believer. They were a person who simply decided to harass our ministry by creating a very ridiculous "complaint" to log on the "rip-off" report in an effort to discredit us.  Our reply was simply to point out that the person was being "facetious" in a way to harrass and defame - and they were using a basis for their arguement that is laughable at best.

Had it been written by a sincere individual, such as yourself, we would not have replied the way that we did.

Sadly - the rip off report does not function as an organization that does research on "complaints" or does any type of "screening" their posts.  Therefore, people like the originator of the letter above have open game to post anything that they want, regardless of how baseless their assertions.

As you can see from your own experience, our book "contains" the seed of miracles. If you and your husband will quickly engage with our nationwide group marriage mentoring calls, online forum at www.joelandkathy.com/boards/ - and hopefully we will meet you two at a weekend marriage intensive!

 

 Hello. I have had personal experience communicating via email with Joel and can attest to the reports validity. While Joel and Kathy do proclaim some form of Christianity, their "ministry" is not as much about helping marriages as it is tainting the male species and selling their books.

I signed up for their newsletter, as I was curious about their books. My husband and I enjoy reading marriage help books, even though we have a fantastic marriage. Their website was vague at the time, and I couldn't find much info about the books that would convince me they were worth buying, so I signed up for their newsletter. When it finally came, I realized I wanted nothing to do with their supposed ministry.

Both Joel and Kathy make it abundantly clear that they believe women to be the morally superior species. Joel flat out stated to me that "90% of all marital problems are because of an immature, selfish husband. Out of the 10% left over where the problem is currently the wife, 9% of those marriages are because the husband was immature and selfish first." So, 99% of all marital issues are because of the man, and only 1% of marital issues are because the wife is, and always was, the problem. 

I asked Joel, "Where in the Bible does it say that one sex is prone to more sin than the other?" but I got no response. Kathy Davisson teaches wives not to respond nicely when their husbands fail:

""If my husband does not treat me good, then I don't treat him good. A man has to reap what he sows. If my husband treats me bad and I treat him good in return, that messes him up. If he treats me good, then I am warm and loving toward him. If he treats me bad, he gets that thrown right back at him."" -Kathy Davisson

I asked Joel about this as well, asking about the verse that commands us to do unto others as we would have them do to us. He never responded to that question either.

 In fact, Joel was so enraged by my study of his ministry, that he joined a forum I was apart of specifically to attack me, and encourage people to sell his books. His first few posts were nothing but sales pitches. I tried to ask him for proof on the many statistics he offered about men being the ultimate problem in marriage, but he merely attacked me and ignored my inquiries. He got so verbally abusive, he was banned from the forum and his posts, all of them, were deleted.

to the user that was verbally attacked online. their untruthful "teachings" dont stop with their buisness. they tried to sell my family these books, my father was going to purchase them but when doing some research on them and their "buisness" he found that it is nothing but scam scam scam! also we have learned that their son has been involved with some unlawful and un godly things. joel and kathy should be spending more time at home with their son and duaghter, and less time trying to fix their own family. the child is going to end up in jail on the path he is heading!! he was charged with trespassing and took advantage of a girl very recently. when i heard this i was shocked! how can they fix your marriage if they cannot even keep their OWN household under control.

Joel,

I love you and Kathy and I love  your ministry and what God has revealed to you both to share with the body of Christ, your brothers and sisters.  That being said, I beg you to stop with your defensive, sarcastic behavior.  We are told to have no appearance of evil and are called to be humble.  Though you no longer exhibit your abusive, arrested development behavior toward your wife, you are directing it toward your brothers and sisters in Christ.  This is not a one time occurance.  It has  been directed at myself and my husband in the past.  My request to you is to realize that under no circumstances is self righteousness and sarcasm Christlike.  Furthermore, your excuse that this was not a true believer should all the more give  you motivation to hold your tongue.  Our ultimate goal for this lost soul should be to bring him to the saving knowledge of Jesus Christ.

If you and Kathy are being attacked by reports of being money seeking, pray about your motives to the one who knows the motives of our hearts.  If your motives are pure, no respose to this man's allegations even need be mentioned.  God is your defender and the evidence is the many marriages that have been saved.  Thank you and Kathy for your transparency and  countless hours you put into other's lives.

To the one who posted this original report....  It takes money to live in this world.  God gave you a talent which you in turn probably use daily in order to put a roof over your head and food on your table.  It's called work.  If you happen to enjoy the talent that God has given you, so much the better!  You are blessed!  In the same way, God has given Joel and Kathy a talent and it is called "sharing how God has changed their lives".  May no one be confused into thinking that what they do is not work.  They put countless hours into their ministry.  How many ministries actually give out their home phone number?  You can find them on mentoring phone  calls several nights a week working individually with people like  you and me.  They have  marriage seminars and marriage intensives that they personally run.  Just because their talent is different from mine or yours does not mean it isn't work. 

Hope this Helps!
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Yes, we are here, offering help to couples in severe crisis.  Couples are being helped every day, every week, every month.

Our son has come through his "rough patch" and is doing wonderful now. His rough patch was to get on top of Petsmart which resulted in a warning from the police about trespassing - and to
make a mistake with a young lady that did NOT include premarital sex.

Nonetheless, it was innapropriate. Yes - our 17 year old honor school student was innapropriate with a girlfriend.  He has paid a price for that.

We share our life - our real life - to help people.  Sad that some would use that in a way to
attack.  However, we will continue to be transparent. Our transparency helps many.

If you are needing help in your marriage, then visit us at www.GodSaveMyMarriage.com  God
will meet you there!

If you are just looking to criticize, you might find something here to criticize - maybe not - but if you do, then congratulations!  As far as we know, Jesus was the only perfect person..  and even he was criticized.  But just the fact that someone can find something to criticize proves for sure that the Bible is correct - that Jesus is the only perfect one!  

Having said that - we do seek to "be perfect as our heavenly Father is perfect" - and we do
live our lives in a way every day that enables us to say "follow us as we follow Christ" in
relation to marriage.   That we have figured out! Everything else is still a journey for us!