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  • Submitted: Tuesday, December 20, 2011
  • Last Posting: Friday, May 11, 2012
  • Reported By: Southern Chemical and Equipment LLC — Sarasota Florida USA
State of Florida Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services
The Capitol Tallahassee Florida 32399-0800 United States of America

State of Florida Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services Adam H. Putnam, Commissioner Corruption, arrogance, or incompetence? State of Florida government Tallahassee, Florida

*UPDATE by author: My new stalker! (Steven - Jacksonville)


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Mr. Putnam,

Just to follow up on this situation, let me first say that I am very disappointed in how this thing has progressed, and the level of arrogance and disrespect I have endured from your office, as well as those under your  direction.

I guess you feel that you are too important to communicate with some lowly citizen. (A taxpayer, and a voter). That is very disturbing to me.

Keep in mind the foundation of our government. “By the people, for the people...etc..” Maybe you should re-evaluate the way you think, and how you do business.

A citizen makes a valid complaint, and in turn gets harassed with attempts of intimidation, etc. Again, very disturbing. It appears that the “Good ‘ol Boy” system is alive and well here in Florida government.

You obviously do not see the root of the problem here, and the basic principles at the foundation of my initial complaint.

If your investigator simply showed up to do a routine inspection of my business, under the provisions of F.S. Chapter 487, I would have had no problem at all with that and would have welcomed such an inspection as I go to great pains to be compliant and do things right.  No problem there.

However, your inspector showed up here and told me that the reason he was here was to follow up on a complaint against me involving wrong doing on my part and suggesting I was in violation of the requirements of my Pesticide Dealer’s License. This unfounded accusation set off an automatic defensive posture on my part as my very existence in business and the ability to make a living was being threatened, in my mind.

When I asked this inspector for specifics on the alleged violation, he could not give me any. This, again, was very disturbing to me. (My question in my mind, was if you don’t really know what it is you are accusing me of, exactly, then why are you here disrupting my business).

I have a State of Florida Compliance Officer standing in front of me, disrupting my legitimate business activities, and he is unable to tell me exactly what the violation was! REALLY???????  Is this the way your agency does business???? Guilty until proven innocent?????  To date, no one in your organization has been able to tell me exactly what the “violation” was.  Why is that??

The inspector stated that he was here to follow up on an ANONYMOUS INTERNET TIP that I “made recommendation of the off label use of a pesticide” (A very serious accusation, in my mind).

But when I asked this investigator to provide me with the specifics of exactly what recommendation was made by me in violation of said label, he COULD NOT provide me with that information! (Again, REALLY?????) I am being accused of wrongdoing, but nobody can tell me EXACTLY what it was that I did wrong!!

***Then, the inspector tells me that he is not even familiar with the product in question, nor does he even know if it is registered for sale or use in Florida, and has never even read the label!!***

***WELL then, my position is that if the inspector was not familiar with the product and has never even read the label, HOW could he be standing in front of me accusing me of making “off label recommendation” in the use of the product??

(Please, explain that to me).. REALLY. I expect an explanation, and I also expect, in writing a determination of EXACTLY what “recommendation” I made that was in violation of the label of said product. Be specific. Please.

Can you see my point??? I certainly hope so. Because, all of this should have been done at your end PRIOR to the disruption of my business, because, if it had been done, we wouldn’t be having this conversation, or having the situation we are currently having.

I am a one man operation here, and very busy in trying to make a living at my small business. Your inspector took up more than 2.5 hours of my time, and in doing so, prevented me from serving my customers, and took money out of my pocket.  All of this done without any real cause.

I had paying repair jobs to get done, and your inspector prevented me from getting that work done, thus costing me real money, and not serving my customers in a timely and professional manner. Then, when I file a complaint, your inspector makes some outlandish accusation that I made some threat against law enforcement? Really??

That never happened. Your inspector either misunderstood what was said, or he flat out lied to save face. Either way, totally unacceptable.

***My question is that if such a statement was actually made by me, and taken serious, WHY did it take ONE FULL WEEK for law enforcement to show up?? Again, REALLY??????

If I had actually made such a threat, WHY did your inspector not  mmediately call local law enforcement for my immediate arrest? (I can answer that....It’s because it never happened).

It simply doesn’t make sense. None of it.  I suggest you put your own house in order before messing with mine.

Thank you for your time.
Steve ****.

From: Southern Chemical & Equipment, LLC.
Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 12:25 PM
To: Adam.Putnam@freshfromflorida.com

Subject: Please provide name and address info for formal written complaints, and legal process service.

Mr. Putnam,

Please provide me with FULL name and exact address information that would be required for legal process service. I intend to take this complaint all the way to the Governor if needed, and also to civil court. I am going very public with this thing in the mean time, so it cannot be swept under the rug. People need to know, and they will.

Thank you.
Steve ****, Owner.
Southern Chemical & Equipment, LLC.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Here is what I just posted on RipOffReport.com>>>>

Today, an "FDACS" Inspector shows up at my place of business to do an inspection based on a "tip" from an internet chat forum on "LinkedIn" regarding bedbug treatment. The inspector was really a decent guy and I had no problem with him Personally as he was just following orders and doing his job.

The basis of the "complaint" that brought the "investigation" was a "tip" from someone on the internet that I "advised the off label use" of a pesticide in that forum. The product mentioned was Nuvan Prostrips.

Keeping in mind that the powers to be in Tallahassee never bothered to actually read the product label in question, or to print one out and/or attach one to this "complaint".

The inspector told me he was not familiar with this product, and did not even know if it was registered for sale or use in Florida. What?? The compliance inspector does not know this?? I guess his boss and/or the director of this agency doesn't know either.

In summary, nobody bothered to actually do even a preliminary investigation of the facts BEFORE wasting taxpayer dollars in sending out an investigator to harass me and disrupt my business activities.

I am a Licensed Pesticide Dealer in the State of Florida under Florida Statute 487, license # DL4359. This license is required for anyone dealing in RESTRICTED USE PESTCIDES, as listed in F.S.487.

(Nuvan Prostrips is NOT a "Restricted Use" Pesticide under the provisions of F.S. 487), THEREFORE the State of Florida REALLY had no legitimate reason under the law to waste taxpayer dollars on this "complaint" or "tip".

This "investigation" was PURE HARRASSMENT or was due to PURE INCOMPETENCE.

Either way, I'm not letting this go. I am going to file complaints on this act of harassment all the way to the Governoor's office, and into civil court to recover damages. I even see a chance that there may be criminal charges to come here as this was clearly an abuse of authority under the law, because they acted outside the scope of authority they have in the enforcement of my license.

I never instructed anyone to use the product "off label". I was simply having conversation with idiots in a public chat forum, AND, those participants were not even in the United States! One is in the UK, and one is in Canada! Jurisdictional issues? Constitutional issues? When this goes to court, and it will, I am going to have fun with the "right to confront my accuser". Let the games begin.

Freedom of speech and expression is a CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT here in the United States of America, or so at least I thought!

My "comment" was clearly taken out of context, and only a portion of the original comment was provided as the basis for the complaint, and subsequent investigation. I made this clear.

Furthermore, had anyone taken the time to actually read the product label, they would have seen that the comments I made actually fall within the allowable use of the product according to that label.

I have now suffered damage to my business and reputation due to this harassment and/or incompetence, which must now be recovered.

The "Notice of Inspection" File Number is 111-235-3057, executed on 12/8/2011.

I also made it clear that the comments made on that forum were NOT given as a "recommendation" of the use of the product, and the comment was not made in conjustion with the sale or use of said product. There was no misrepresentation. None.

The "Pesticide Enforcement Work Request" Log number is also 111-235-3057. Originated by S. Cotto Febo on 12/5/2011.

The notes given to me on the "case" by this inspector referenced F.S. 487.031 as the subsection I was allegedly in iolation of.

The specifics of the allegation was in reference to my (joking) definition of a "crawl space" as related to bed bug treatment.

Keeping in mind that the label only specifies the handling, storage, and use of the product in relation to the end user of that product, along with manufacturer info, etc.

THEREFORE, my comment about a "crawlspace" has NOTHING to do with the label, so it could not be a "recommendation" to use a product not in accordance with the label! (Common sense here).

In fact, Nuvan Prostrips CAN be used in the manner I described, AS PER THE LABEL (which nobody bothered to read before engaging in harrassment of me and disrupting my business operation, and reputation).

Now, someone must pay. I just need to determine who that someone is.

The inspector told me that it was the bureau chief that gave the order for the inspection even after the inspector and his supervisor argued against it (for the reasons I mentioned, I would assume).

I'll keep you all posted, and if anyone has had a similar experience with this agency, please post it here as I will need it for my lawsuit against the State of Florida, and/or its agents, individually.

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#1 Consumer Comment

Why not repost it here

AUTHOR: Steven - Jacksonville (U.S.A.)

Why don't you repost the info you put on Linkedin here and let us compare what you said to the label usage on the product.

Just glancing at the label info on the internet would lead someone to believe that only a licensed professional:

"Professionals should test for adequate seal by testing for the escape of air from the sealed bag. Identify sealed treatment by a label indicating a pesticide treatment is in process that should not be disturbed by unauthorized persons. The label should include the date, pest professional person or company responsible and contact telephone number."

Since no one here knows what you put on Linkedin we don't know if you were recommending that people go out and buy this stuff and use it themselves.
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#2 Update By Author

As usual, Steven-Jacksonville fails to read and comprehend.

AUTHOR: Southern Chemical and Equipment LLC - Sarasota (USA)

Steven,



That's the point.



I NEVER made a "suggestion" of "off label use of pesticide" of any kind, so there is nothing to "repost".



Some idiot on the chat forum on LinkedIn got his panties in a twist because I educated him in the use of NUVAN Pro Strips and Bed Bug treatment.



He kept telling me that was an off label use, and told him he didn't know what he was talking about.


Which he obviously didn't.



The dumba** "inspector" that showed up from the State of Florida Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services (Michael Burns), came walking into my warehouse accusing me of wrongdoing and had nothing to back it up!



This fool did not even know what the product was, and had never read the label himself, but had the balls to tell me I made off label suggestions of use!



REALLY???



They had no eveidence of wrongdoing, and failed to produce a signed affidavit.


At that point I told him to leave, as we were done.



The following week, State LAW ENFORCEMENT shows up to engage in harassment in order to intimidate me, as I filed written complaints all over, including the IG's office.



The problem with these fools is equally split between corruption and stupidity.




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#3 Consumer Comment

You seem to misunderstand my request

AUTHOR: Steven - Jacksonville (U.S.A.)

I never said you suggested off label use. I asked you to repost what the state said was off label use.

You still don't seem to understand the difference between a public opinion or conversation and a personal one when it comes to the internet.

If you used your company name anywhere in your post it can be twisted to make it sound like you are giving professional advise instead of joking or expressing a personal opinion.

You seemed to have gotten your life together since you have not been arrested or cited for anything other than not wearing your seat belt.

I noticed that you have at least a few misdemeanor charges including:

Carrying a concealed weapon.
Leaving the scene of an accident
Reckless driving
Public intoxication and disorderly conduct
Something about indecent exposure.

Looks like the first three were in FL and the last two were in AZ.

If you are going to screw with someone from the state you should probably make sure the trailer on your moms property (Next to your silver F150) is properly registered as either a mobile home or travel trailer.
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#4 Update By Author

Steven-Jacksonville....You have me confused with someone else..

AUTHOR: Southern Chemical and Equipment LLC - Sarasota (USA)

Steven-Jacksonville...



Obviously you are an amateur because the "information" you posted has nothing to do with me.



You should really be careful when posting that kind of information when you really don't know what you are talking about.



You just opened yourself up to civil liability for defamation of character by posting innacurate information against me.



(There are lots of other people with my same name, including 2 others that I know of with my exact first, middle, and last name).



AND...I in 1991, and again in 1999 someone stole my identity, and that person is still out there doing it. The police have no interest in doing anything. I have certified letters of complaint that were sent to all local law enforcement as well as the IRS and the FBI.



It's nice to actually know what you are talking about, but you clearly do not.



(And, I have never owned a silver F-150, or any other F-150 for that matter, and have never lived in a trailer, and do not live with my Mom)...For starters..



I do have a valid concealed weapons license, but that is as accurate as your info is. The rest is nonsense, and applies to someone else. (I still maintain an active Homeland Security Clearance that gives me unescorted access to any port in the United States, so therefore my record is clean).



Get ready to be sued stupid.


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#5 Consumer Comment

Okay if you say so

AUTHOR: Steven - Jacksonville (U.S.A.)

Coulda sworn you were the same "Steve not a lawyer" who just happens to live in Bradenton and used to work for Tropicana.

He was indeed an unsavory character and may have even been the one who stole your identity. You should check with the local union for Tropicana down there and see what they know.
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#6 Update By Author

Steven-Jacksonville...anonymous=no credibility

AUTHOR: Southern Chemical and Equipment LLC - Sarasota (USA)

Steven-Jacksonville,



You talk big, but the fact of the matter is that you remain "anonymous".

But it appears that you are a State employee, as my post struck a nerve with you.



Therefore, you are just a little girlie man with a big mouth...an "internet tough guy" at best.

If your not a "girlie man", contact me with your information and we'll see who's who.

Or, just show up.



Obviously, you have my information, so the ball is in your court.

If you don't contact me with your info., or if you fail to show, then we all know that you are just a big-mouthed Pu*sy.



Just do it.



Either way, I will be initiating legal action against you for the false derogatory information you posted about me as fact. You have now engaged in dafamation of character on a public site where the posts are permanent.



Don't worry though, if your not man enough to step up and contact me, I can get your full name and contact information through ROR with a subpoena.



Bet on it fool.

And, if you used state resources to make the post, I will make sure you lose your job as well.


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#7 Consumer Comment

What a strange way to say thanks Steven

AUTHOR: Steven - Jacksonville (U.S.A.)

I give you background info on the person that may have possibly been the one to steal your identity and cause you all these hassles and you threaten me with baseless charges of defamation and/or libel.

Think about it a moment Steve. This guy that went by "Steve Not a Lawyer" went around bragging all over this site of ripping off credit card companies by providing them false info which could have possibly been your identity.

Your backgrounds are so similar. He was in the Air Force the same exact time as you. Had your name. Joined the National Guard and was injured during training.

Seems to me that you should be looking into him for ruining your life.

I have cost you no money and if I have no credibility could not have even damaged your business or reputation in any way shape or form.
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#8 Update By Author

No,"Steven-Jacksonville", your "background info" was wrong..that was my point.

AUTHOR: Southern Chemical and Equipment LLC - Sarasota (USA)

You listed a bunch of criminal offenses that I allegedly perpetrated, and I was telling you that your "list" was inaccurate. You merged data between multiple people with my name as if it were the same person (me).


Your "list" is flawed, and you are obviously an amateur.


No wonder you are a State employee, you are obviously too stupid to do anything else, just like Adam Putnam's thugs.



I don't need you to do me any "favors", as that was not your intent anyway (right?).


Your intent was clearly malicious, and a jury would see it that way too, I'm sure.


I certainly would like to find out (but you are too big of a coward to come forward, right?)



And, I already know the name of the peron who stole my identity.


His name is Darnell Rutherford.


That has been solved, but the damage he did to my background and reputation while impersonating me is still unresolved.



As far as your original request goes, you do need to learn how to read and comprehend.


The whole point I was making is that I never made any recommendation, so how could I post what I never did???


The whole thing was baseless, and I proved that.


I won't be harassed by anyone.


I will not hesitate to get those punks in court.


No problem.


National media exposure on a court case that would embarrass the entire agency and cost multiple jobs.


That's my goal here.


To clean out the corruption  and arrogance that has invaded our state.


These idiots need to step back and remember who they work for.


The voters.




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#9 Consumer Comment

You may want to use spell check on your craigslist ad

AUTHOR: Steven - Jacksonville (U.S.A.)

"Cheaper than Premise 75 or Speckoz Aggreszor - $39 (Sarasota)
Date: 2012-04-13, 6:57AM EDT
Reply to: tvszr-2903196103@sale.craigslist.org [Errors when replying to ads?]
Are you currently buying Premise 75 or Speckoz Aggreszor??
**If so**... you are paying too much!

Prothor WSP is a comparable product that in my opinion is identicle, but approximately 30% cheaper.

I can get it to you all day long for $39 OR LESS (depending on your purchase volume from my distributorship).
Check out our full line of THOR Products from Ensystex, as well as over 200 other in stock pest control products!

Call us!!

Open 7 Days A Week!!

What in the world does identicle mean? Did you mean IDENTICAL? Where would you be without me? You are clearly stressed out Steve and should relax. Spelling errors are not your typical request.

Also your obvious resentment of person with degrees is obvious but if you are so resentful of them then why mention your education at CCAF or Maricopa Community College on FB or even linkedin. Kind of hypocritical don't you think?

You are clearly a hardworking person giving everyone your after hours phone nr so that they contact you after hours for questions.


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#10 Update By Author

My new stalker! (Steven - Jacksonville)

AUTHOR: Southern Chemical and Equipment LLC - Sarasota (USA)

It's obvious that Steven - Jacksonville is obsessed with me for some reason, to the point of being a stalker.

(This is just flat out sick.)



Steven...you may want to get some professional help for your obsession, and mental illness.



I have no idea what you are trying to prove, but the fact remains that you remain anonymous because tto are too big of a sissy boy to come forward.



If you have a problem with me, all you have to do is step up. and I will solve your problem for you.

Guaranteed.



So, if you are not man enough to do that, you really should go away now.



Please. It's an A or B choice. Make it.


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