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Complaint Review: Visions Investment Group

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  • Submitted: Sunday, March 23, 2008
  • Last Posting: Friday, December 18, 2009
  • Reported By:austin Texas
Visions Investment Group
814 Baumberger Ste C American Fork Utah 84003 U.S.A.

Allison Moon - Jonathan Lowry - Bryce Mackey Pushed me into spending $3000, promised a refund within 90 days & even my coach was shocked American Fork Utah

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This is the most recent but not last letter i sent to them...
Dear Jonathan and Alison,

I have been advised to go ahead and seek an attorney in your area to file a suit in small claims court to provide you the opportunity to return my payment of $3000 for which I never received the agreed upon training. You have breached our agreement by not providing me with real estate training. I received access to a website in which I was able to input arbitrary numbers to come up with arbitrary offer prices and a "coach" who himself had not as yet ever completed a deal.

Whenever I asked Bryce specific questions his response was 100% of the time along the lines of I really don't want to have to do this as you seem like nice people. Another situation that alerted me to question the legitamacy of your organization came about when Bryce claimed to have completed 6 deals in Oregon with another student. He said he could give me those property listings but never did. I repeatedly asked Alison for property listings which she said you all have completed but to this date have still not received any evidence to the fact that you indeed have ever completed one deal.

I, in good conscience could not continue working with a company drawing people into legal contracts that would never come through. I have a letter from you stating that I am backed by 1.8 mil but even though I have brought before you many good deals, the Pickfair property in particular that even had my coach questioning why it didn't come through, the letter never amounted to anything but false promises and wasted time and energy. I have tried to contact your office several times with no response not even to the Better Business Bureau therefore I am left with no other recourse.

As I have already brought my case before a friend of mine who is willing and able to provide me with pro bono work I have a good sense that I will win this case and more than likely for more than the $3000 that you owe me. We added up the numbers, not including court and lawyer's fees and have estimated that the court will probably award me closer to $7000 or more as a result of the credit damage I have incurred as a result of your non-action. And even if I don't win you will have to defend this and when it goes public your reputation as a result of your own inaction will be damaged beyond repair. I know other people involved in your program as well as many friends in the media and I will involve them in a pursuit of their own suit and expose respectively.

I called you to see what you were willing to do and to date you have responded with nothing. If you would overnight me a cashier's check for $3000 you can save us all the trouble of having to deal with these legal proceedings. If I do not hear from you within two days after receipt of this letter I will continue with the next logical step to safeguard what is rightfully mine.

Alessandra
austin, Texas
U.S.A.

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Visions Investment Group - Bryce Mackay Former Vision's Coach: Here's My Take on Things American Fork Utah

AUTHOR: Bryce - Former Visions Coach - Spokane (U.S.A.)

I'm writing this report partially in response to Alessandra's remarks and partially in response to the other remarks by Visions' students. I am not writing this letter because I have to, or for any other reason except for the fact that I want to help give a more objective perspective of Visions, clearify comments made about me on this report, and clarify some things that were said about the company.

I worked with Visions Investment Group for almost a year and a half, about 9 months of which as a coach, or "Personal Investor." I enjoyed my time working there and am grateful for the things that I learned while working there. I stopped working at Visions in August 2007 so that I could attend law school in Washington State. As Alessandra mentioned, I was her coach during her entire time at Visions. I even signed her up for the program while at a Visions seminar in Austin, TX. The first thing that I'd like to make clear is that I never "pushed" her to join the program. I sat with her and answered her questions. She was already very excited about the program, I didn't need to push her. I've never been a pushy person (nor ever been a very good salesman) and we never used pushy sales tactics on people at the seminars, because we didn't have to. All who signed up would admit that the presentation was definitely persuasive, but we never had to twist people's arms to sign up. It would have been a waste of the company's time and money to sign people up who didn't really have a desire to be involved in the program. Trust me, plenty of people did sign up that promised us that they were sincerely motivated when they really weren't...and they wasted our time.

Another thing that I would like to make clear is I really enjoyed working with Alessandra. She is a wonderful person with a positive outlook on life. I was able to get to know her well and I always felt like she worked very hard and did what I asked her to do as a student. I was surprised to read her comments though, because I feel like they, along with some of the other student's comments, were misleading. As she mentioned there were homes in Oregon that were purchased by Visions that I was involved in. We started with 6, but 3 fell through (as many deals do in real estate). 3, however, did close in August. I was paid a commission on the deals. I'm disappointed that it was portrayed that these deals were fake, as if I was trying to hide information from my students. If Alessandra never received the addresses to the properties, I am sorry. I probably forgot! She would even admit that getting the addresses was never a big issue between us. I would have been happy to give them to her, but I was never trying to keep them from her.

Another thing that I would like to clarify is in regard to the coaches. I felt that the previous comments tried to paint the coaches as people who were inexperienced and ignorant to real estate deals. This was certainly not the case. The coaches at Visions, including myself, were experienced in working with real estate deals, and most had been involved in multiple closings.

Next, I would like to clarify comments made about the Visions "Process." I know that many, if not most, of the Visions students went into their training with the idea that making money in real estate would be easy. I always felt that one of the main things that Visions was guilty of, was making the process sound too easy. Real estate investing is hard work, and each student found that out very quickly. I personally believe that this is why most students were so disappointed. They realized that in order to be successful, they would have to work very hard. However, people should not assume that the process didn't work. I saw it work personally and witnessed a number of deals close. I also witnessed many people who did not put in the effort or time required to make it work. I also saw a few others, like Alessandra, who worked very hard and were unable to close a deal. Although the process worked, it did require some luck in finding properties that fit very strict criteria. Alessandra was close on a few, but many of her properties were just outside the criteria, and her and I were simply crossing our fingers that Visions would take them anyway. Unfortunately they didn't, because they didn't fit their model, but Visions shouldn't be faulted for that. It would be bad business for them to take properties that didn't fit their model. Any student in the same situation would make the exact same decision.

I'd last like to make clear, that John Lowry, Eric Foster, and Allison Moon are incredible people. I grew to know, love, appreciate, and respect them over the past few years. I know for a fact that their intentions were never to scam people or weazle them out of a few thousand dollars. They have a great business model. It's certainly not perfect, and the company certainly has its flaws, but they truely are motivated to helping people find success in real estate investing. Again, I'm not saying this because I have to, or because I'm trying to butter up those at Visions for any special favors. I'm planning on starting a legal career and will probably never have any other business dealings with the people at Visions ever again. But I know that they deserve a fair shake in this situation, and I definitely feel that my name should be cleared from any of the implied wrong doing that has been directed towards me in these comments. Those who have commented may certainly be justified in some of there concerns, but they have eroneously jumped to the conclusion that Visions is intentionally trying to scam people and that their system has never worked. That is simply not true.

Bryce - former visions coach

Spokane, Washington
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#2 Consumer Comment

Lets Band together

AUTHOR: Band Together - Portland (U.S.A.)

I read your report and understand fully what you are going through. You do not have to file in the state/s Vision runs out of, they are licensed in Wyoming and Utah. They came to your city and talked you into something therefore you can file where you live and make them come to you. You say you have an attorney who is willing to help you pro bono, would he/she be willing to start a class action suit? He/She could be paid on a contingency basis that way.

Once the suit is registered with the court anyone in the nation no matter where they live can join a class action suit. I would like to be a part of that suit if you can get your attorney to agree because I too like you lost a lot of money due to Visions misleading information. I have a great deal of information on this company including where they can be served. One strand alone is weak no matter how right, but many strands together make a strong rope, I see that there is another report that has an attorney too, can we all band together?

Ask Rip off to contact me with your phone number so I can contact you or put your attorneys firm and city in an update, you can try putting the phone number in since it is an attorney but if they remove the number you will still have the firms name and city which will allow anyone to find it by directory assistance and anyone reading the update can contact him/her in order to join in a suit against this company.
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#3 Consumer Comment

You are 100% correct

AUTHOR: H. Murray - (Canada)

"Band Together" is absolutely correct. You do not need to file in the state[s] that they are registered, the crime was committed within your own local jurisdiction so you can file there. Even if the crime were committed, for example, online - you could still file with your local courthouse. They would be extradited back to your state and charged there, since the crime was technically committed there. Reply back if you have any questions, I could walk you through the legal proceedings.

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