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Jan Jacobs, journalist.
Belgium
Date: 28/01/2010
As
of today, February 1st 2010, this girl is still online at Dream Marriage.
ID 82924
Dream (NIGHTMARE) Marriage......
by
Jan Jacobs, Belgium. Written January,
2010
This is a true story, about my experience with
Dream-Marriage.com and my short encounter with a girl that I thought was a real
honest and decent person; looking for a real relation. I was wrong! I
myself am convinced that it was a scam and a rip-off from the very
beginning. But I will leave it up to the reader to form his own opinion.
The girl and the agency in question were offered the possibility to react on
this article, before publishing. I’m a part time journalist in Belgium. I do
economic topics. Not these things. I’m more into investigating and delivering
the news and hot economic items to the press agencies. I also run a business
that is specialized in engineering and industrial services. I employ 40 people.
I speak five languages and I have traveled the world. It did not help me at
all. Was I naive? Possibly. Was I wrong to trust? Did I make mistakes? Yes, I
think so. But, what is so very important is the fact that I was honest and
decent and with the best intentions. And this is much more than what we can say
about the girl and the agency. With this report I want to make the people know
about this. Be careful and learn from my mistakes.
A
smart man learns from his mistakes......
A
smarter man learns from the mistakes of others......
Please bear in mind that I’m not a native
English speaker. My native language is Dutch. I'm sorry if I make spelling
errors. I also want the reader to know that Ukraine is a nice country with nice
and decent people. It is absolutely worth a visit. Talk to local people. Get to
know the people and just have a great time. So my opinion is not tainted about
all this. You can get a bad experience in the West as well. But the agency is
making a lot of money and are not at all interested in your relationship. They
just don't care. They offer a service and they don't care if the girls scam.
They only want it to be impossible for you as a customer to prove all of this.
And they prepare the girls very well to avoid you ever being able to prove it.
Read my report.
First
encounter.....
One day I was opening my mailbox. I received
a spam mail from a company named dream-marriage.com. I was
curious and opened the mail. It was an invitation to become a free member for
three days. I was browsing through the website and, boy oh boy, these girls
where absolutely stunning. Models, beautiful and really hot looking young women
where staring at me from there obviously nice photo shop pictures. I decided to
try.
Everyone
starts somewhere.....
One day after I became a member, I received
hundreds of mails and invitations from girls, ready to meet, chat and write;
They where really looking for the love of there life; A real man to take them
away from this horrible country, Ukraine.
I’m 45, I’m 175cm, weigh 82 kilo (5 kilo
overweight, I know…) and I dress well, not so bad looking, I have good income
and I’m free. So why not try this? It was very tempting. And the girls looked
like super models.
I paid my platinum member fee and I got some
credits to chat. Once I logged in, I immediately was bombarded with requests to
chat. At first I did not chat at all. I only wrote letters and I received
answers. The girls where nice, they responded and even sent me photos. This
looked all OK. Of course I was happy with the response. It was very flattering
to receive so many letters from girls that looked like models. And from the
letters I wrote and the responses I got, I could clearly tell that this was the
girl I was corresponding with. Some of the letters I wrote where never
answered. Nothing strange. They where probably not interested in me.
Let's
chat.....
One day, April 7, 2009, I got a chat invitation
from Tatiana. I noticed her, because previously she put me on her admirers
list. She was nice, 27, great looking and hey, she was even funny to chat with.
That was new. She was not talking of leaving her country, nor was she
complaining all the time. She was nice and funny. She made me laugh and I made
her laugh. For me this was the first time I was in chat with such a lovely
person. But I could tell from her responses and her way of using the tools,
that she already had a lot of experience in chat. Before I met Tatiana, I was
in contact with other girls, and I got the personal information as well. Until
today I’m in contact with a girl I met on DM. I will visit her in February. She
already deleted her profile with DM.
I'd
like to ask you for your address......
Anyway we started chatting a lot, and writing
and sending each other photos. We had much in common and one day she invited me
over to visit her. In June would be nice, she said. I accepted. I asked her
personal information from the agency. I got her cell phone number and address.
The address was Prospect Lenina. But this turned out to be a false address. The
girl told me that it was the address of the agency. Her address was Dmytrieva
street.
Where's
the Laptop?......
I got it from her because I wanted to send her
a laptop. I did send a laptop, but in Ukraine you can’t send a laptop to a
person I found out. It was with DHL, and they returned the package. But the
laptop got stolen on it's way back. DHL refunded me the money for the loss of
the laptop. No harm done here. But this way I found out that the address provided
by the agency was a false address. Strange thing, you pay to get the real
address, not a fake one I guess. Later I found out that the other men with her
address, where indeed only given the Prospect Lenina address. They never got
her real address. Imagine, you buy a car, a Toyota and you get a Daewoo
delivered. Same thing. You pay for correct and verified information. Not some
fake address.
I
need a little Cash......
Before I visited the girl, I was sending her
money. She did not ask directly I must admit. Accept once, where she asked for
money to pay for a passport. She borrowed money from her colleague (Natasha)
and wanted to pay back the money. I offered the extra money so she could buy
some nice things for herself. She accepted $700 in total. I have the Western
Union transcripts to proof all of this.
I
wanted to surprise her......
I arrived one day earlier. But I did not tell
her. I was cautious, did not know what to expect. So I told her that I would
arrive on Saturday, but I arrived there on Friday. Once I was there, I called
her and let her know that I was in Kontinent Hotel; She did not know this hotel
at all. Strange, it was in center of the town. It was not strange to me at the
moment. But looking back, it sure was strange.
And we met. She was with a friend; Olga. Her
English was much better than Tatiana. Olga was OK, nice and decent girl. I was
surprised that Tatiana was the girl from the photo. Of course the photo shop
made her look better in the photos on the DM site. But she was very beautiful.
Yes I was pleased.
How
about dinner and a movie?......
We spent one week together. And I was with her
every day. She came to the hotel, and she and her friend showed me around
Nikolaev and we also went to Odessa and Koblevo. I also bought her some clothes
and I brought her a laptop. Her friend Olga I gave a cell phone and some
electronic gift she wanted. In total, I spent about $1500 on gifts for her and
her friend. I also paid for cinema, food in restaurants, taxi and aqua-park. I
did not mind this. I knew before I came there, that I would have to pay all of
this. So it was no bother at all. Please bear this in mind, that average income
is maybe $ 150 a month for working people in Ukraine. To these girls I was the
big spender from Europe. For me it was not expensive at all.
Great
sushi with a beautiful girl......
I have to say that after two days, her friend
Olga was not with us anymore. She showed up on our last day together. When we
went to a Japanese restaurant, I was pleased that I was alone with Tatiana for
a few days. It was all very nice. We had a good time and it was nice together.
She was funny, nice, polite and a decent girl. And yes she was beautiful.
Let's
keep chatting and see what happens......
At the end of the week I was very fond of her
and I was falling for this girl. I told her this, and she told me that she was
not in love with me. But she wanted to keep corresponding and maybe she would
fall in love with me after all. I told her that we would keep in contact and
see how it works out.
Please
don't break my heart......
I was back in Belgium, and we kept on chatting
and writing. And she invited me again to come over and see her again. I asked
her if she wanted this because she was in love, or for gifts and money. I
wanted to protect myself; I was not going to come over and make all the efforts
for nothing. And I was very clear that I did not want to get heart broken over
this her. She wrote me that she was in love and that she was so impressed by me
and that she wanted me to come and live with her and stay with her, make a
future together. I was the only guy for her. I was the only guy with her
personal information and the only guy that she invited to see her. That is what
she wrote me and told me; I was in contact with her every day. I had no doubts
about her. Why would I? She wrote that she did not want her heart broken as
well. She was heart broken in the past, and did not know how to handle her
feelings. That was a good explanation to me. But I was wrong. She was in chat with
Mark, at the same time as she was in chat with me. The photos I made of our
trip she sent to Mark and the other guys, telling it were photos taken by her
cousin. And the trip she took with me. This was training and work, she wrote
the guys. That’s why she was not in chat.
Love
is blind......
At the same time, I was reading on the Internet
on forums, about scamming and dream-marriage. It was not nice to read all of
this. But hey, they where all wrong, I was there with the girl, and she was
real, honest, good, funny and decent. Best of all she was in love with
me. So what could go wrong?
Lets
do a little shopping......
I went back in august and we met up to Odessa,
she was with her niece, Oksana. Nice girl and very good in English; I rented
two rooms and we had fun together, we went to the beach, we went to nice
restaurants, We did some shopping, but not so much and we talked a lot. It was
pleasant. I gave her niece a laptop. It was a nice gift for her and she was
over the moon with this gift. Again, I can afford it, so I did not mind to give
a gift.
The
bus ride to Yalta......
After four days, Tatiana and I traveled to
Yalta, by bus. We arrived in Yalta and we went to our hotel; I made
reservations prior to our arrival. One room, and one bed; She was not very
pleased with this. But she soon found out that it was OK. I would not do
anything against her will. She trusted me and it was fine. We took excursions,
to Sudak, to dolphins show, to botanical garden,Voronsak Castle and we had
diner in a nice restaurant; She convinced me to try Borsh and Solyanka. Local
dishes. We had conversations and long beach walks. It was super. We had
lots of fun, and it was very funny at times. The hotel was nice, the swimming
pool was nice, the food the people. I was not complaining at all. She even
asked for more time off from her work to stay longer; I did not mind this at
all.
She
loved me on the train......
We where going home by train which we took from
Simferopol. I’m sure she will smile when she thinks about the train trip and
the running around with the luggage. On the train she asked me to stay longer.
I asked her why? She would work all day, and I would be in Nikolaev by myself;
Not a nice thing to look forward to for me. But she told me that she loved me
and that she wanted me to stay. I agreed. Her father was sick and was not
feeling good at all. I remember at our last evening together in Yalta that I
made a toast to his health. She was very emotional about this.
Tatiana???
Where are you?......
Back in Nikolaev, she was not with me the next
day. That was a surprise. Where was Tatiana? I could not reach her. Next
day she was back and we had good time together. She apologized for not being
with me the other day. But she had so much work to do, and it was late already
and she did not want to come over to the hotel.
The
photo and my laptop......
That weekend we went back to Odessa beach. When
I came back from Odessa, I was talking to other men in the hotel, and there was
a Swedish guy, Alexander; He was looking at my laptop and he recognized
Tatiana; He told me that he was going to meet her next week Monday. I got hot
and cold at same time. What was happening? I sent Tatiana SMS and email.
I was really completely in shock. Immediately I was thinking about the scam
articles.
Who's
meeting who?......
Next day. She sends me SMS's. She is in shock
too. Yes she knows him from chat, but she did not want to meet him at all. She
came to the hotel and we left. The Swedish guy was not there. He knew that she
was coming to the hotel, but he did not see her. He did not show up. She was
furious with him and she also told the other men that where there with me in
the hotel, that she did not agree to see him.
I
promise to delete my profile......
I asked her to delete her profile with the
agency and she agreed. I wanted to avoid future problems like this and it was
the only way. We went to see Bill Green and Larisa. They live in Nikolaev and
Larisa is Ukrainian.
Red
flag, Red flag, Red flag......
I met Bill Green when I was in the hotel and
was introduced to him by other men. The things he told me, were very
disturbing. Dream-marriage (and all other agencies) was one big scam, the girls
are paid to chat and lure men to Ukraine, and the girls were almost never
serious about any relationship. The people in Nikolaev and in the rest of
Ukraine consider it a dirty business. He told me and the other men to look for
red flags. It was what I had read previously on the Internet about scamming.
She
just needs a job......
Red flags. Not showing up, working with her own
driver and translator, always asking for money and gifts, not removing there
profiles on the Website, fake address and they reveal almost no personal
information about themselves. Sad stories, girls getting paid by the agency to
chat and write. The local newspapers were filled with ads for hiring and
looking for girls.
The
shocking truth......
It was shocking to hear. It was first hand
information. The guy was not talking BS. He worked and lived there and he was
running an English school in Nikolaev. Over the past 2 years he was in contact
with hundreds of men. They all failed. Not one succeeded. I was sure I would
prove him wrong with Tatiana.
I
was right and Bill was wrong......
On Monday, the day I left Nikolaev, we went to
see Bill in his office. Tatiana had her laptop with her and I put the photos
and films from our holiday on her computer. In the office I deleted my profile
with DM. And Tatiana told Bill and I, that she was going to go to the agency next
day and delete her profile as well. I was right and Bill was wrong. She was OK.
Not a scam artist.
Back
in Belgium, I catch her lying......
Once I was back in Belgium. And a few days
later I looked at the agency and I could see her in chat. That was strange. She
was supposed to delete her profile not chat; I contacted her. She was surprised
that I could see her chat. I was not a member anymore. So how could I see that
she had not deleted her profile? Well you can, it is easy. At first she lied.
No she was not in chat? But when I told her that I could see it. She admitted
it. It was to say goodbye to her chat friends and to write to this Alexander
that he was a big piece of shit. She would go to the agency and delete her
profile when she found the time. OK, that was good by me. But I was suspicious.
Bill’s warning, the articles on the Internet! It made me very suspicious. So
far, I hadn't caught her lying to me. But this was a big one.
There's
been a death in the family......
A few days later she sent some SMS's. Her
father is hospitalized and very ill. She is not in chat, but her profile had
not been deleted. I understand that her father is sick in hospital. Two days
later, her father dies in the hospital. A disaster.
I
forgot to quit my job at the agency......
She is not in chat for more than two weeks;
profile is still on. She sends me SMS’s not to visit her in September. I ask
why? Well, her mother and sister are mourning and her father is dead and
all the problems with this. They need time.
She only
needs fifteen hundred bucks......
After a few weeks, she calls me and she needs
money. She needs €1000, ($1500) for university. Her father always took care of
this. But he was gone. Could I do this? For her and her sister. I agree. But I
tell her once more to delete her profile; She agrees.
She's
a working girl......
Next day I look at the chat. She is chatting. I
call her and I open my account with DM again. I invite her for chat and she
accepts my invitation. She tells me that it is only for a little bit, not much.
Few friends. I’m furious. I know, I know......... I should have stopped the
relation right there and then. It was a very big mistake for me to keep trying
to make it work. I knew very well it was over there and then.
She's
only on fourteen web sites......
I decide to confront her in Nikolaev. September
28, I go over and we talk and sort things out. At that moment
(September 26) Tatiana opens another account with Anastasia date. At the same
day she writes me on DM, that she wants me there forever and that she is madly
in love with me. I find this out in October. After I contacted Anastasia. They
told me that she opened a new account on September 26. I told her this,
and that she was with maybe 14 other websites. She told me that it was not her
on these websites. The agency was doing this not she. Well, we know this is not
true. She was even very active with the other websites. Natasha club told me
this when I contacted them. So bear in mind that she was in chat a lot on DM.
It looked like a full time job to me.
The
agency forbids her to speak with Bill and Larisa......
By that time I’m so suspicious. I see Bill and
Larisa. And they are very suspicious too. Tatiana tells them that the agency
forbids her to talk with Bill and Larisa. I write her and tell her that for me
this is not a decent relation at all. And I will not give her anything more
until I think this is a decent relation. I already gave her about $4000 in a
five month period along with a coat, boots, laptop and cell phone. I have the
receipts from Western Union and the credit card receipts as well.
I
promise to use Skype and Yahoo...... Someday......
Anyway I start writing and chatting with other
girls on the site. But I keep in touch with Tatiana. She still writes me and tells
me not to worry. I’m the only man for her. I must not be jealous at all. The
letters she writes are on the DM site. So there is record of this.
She always refuses to write with personal email
and Skype. I open a Skype account in her name and I open a Yahoo account. But
she refuses to use them. She always promises. But she never did.
I
have a real bad feeling......
In October I go visit her the last time. But I
must admit. I was talking with other girls and with Bill and Larisa and with
many more men about this. I feel that this is just not right. And I tell her.
She tells me not to worry. She wants to go slow, because her mother. She stills
wants to live with me, wants me to come and live in Nikolaev with her. She
would stay with me in Nikolaev when I rent an apartment. In the beginning a few
days a week and we would build up the frequency. I’m not convinced. I’m very
suspicious now. I do not feel good in this relation at all.
Facebook......
I find out everything about her.
In November, my stepdaughter is playing with
her Facebook account. And she tells me that she can find every body on
Facebook. I tell her, no you can’t. She types in Tatiana Evdina. Big surprise.
A Facebook page with her name and photo. I call her and write her about
this. No, not her she says. And Mark! The guy on Facebook. She does not
know him at all; I tell her that he must know her, because he knows her last
name and he has got a photo from her. No, she does not know him. Last name you
can only know when you buy her personal information with the agency. I know she
is lying to me.
She
loves Mark, Glen and oh yeah......ME!
I write Mark. He writes back. Well this is
strange he tells me. I’m in chat with her for six months, and she invited me
over to Odessa. She would bring her sister Kate. I explain all to him. And he
breaks up with her immediately. He thinks we are being scammed big time.
Because. He received another mail from a guy. Glen from the USA! He calls her
hot legs. He is in chat with her on DM for two months. Mark also opened a Skype
and yahoo account for her. And yes the same story again. She refuses to use it.
Three's
Company, four's a crowd......
So we are three guys. I was with her four
times, I traveled with her and I was the love of her life. We find out later that
there was even a fourth guy. But we do not know his name. He was with her in
December 2009. This we know from the agency DM.
The
Fox Guarding the Hen House......
We all chat, write and make plans with her. And
she plays along. The men pay enormous amounts to chat and write and ask for
information to DM. And they get cheated all the time. There is just no way of
knowing how many men and how many appointments the girls make. On Facebook you
can see this. On DM, only the girls can see the men and the girls. Clearly
discrimination. And only the men pay, while the girls often make the first
step. For the girls it is free. Discrimination based on gender. Not
allowed I guess.
Remember
to Read the Fine Print......
The agency will tell you that you agreed with
there terms if you become a member. That is right. But if the rules are in
violation or in conflict with the law, then clearly the law is to be the
guiding line. This is clearly the case here. Swindle, scam, unethical behaving
and discrimination based on gender.
There's
always a little luck involved......
The men just have no possibility to check if
the girl is honest. How many friends she’s got and what she is planning. It
would be a whole different ball game if we knew this. The agency is not doing anything
to prevent this. They say they do. But no.
We found out because Mark opened a Facebook
account and my stepdaughter typed the name of Tatiana Evdina. How many men will
be this lucky?
Glen's
going to learn the hard way......
Glen, the guy from USA, he does not believe us.
But after a few letters he is rapidly becoming a believer. He realizes that we
are scammed. I decide not to tell Tatiana and set her up. I want to expose her.
I brake up with Tatiana, but I only tell Mark this. Tatiana still thinks that I
will have a relation with her. That I’m still madly in love with her! I keep
her believing this. I keep writing and chatting with her.
It's
Pay Back time......
Mark writes a complaint to DM asking for his
money back. I do the same and yes they refund us all our money. They pay back
four guys. Mark and I chatted with her for 6000 to 7000 minutes in six months.
We do not know about the other guys. But we estimate that she must be in chat
for about 20000 minutes in one year. And all during her work hours. She makes
at least $8000 a year for the agency. Remember that she was very active on
other sites as well. I write to Bill and the agency. We know it is a
scam. But how can we proof all this? We know for sure. Four men; reaching the
same conclusion! After mailing each other. We know we are right.
We
just want Dream-Marriage to do what they promise......
I know, it is wrong of me to think that it is
going to be all right. She will realize she is wrong. Maybe, she will be
sorry. No, she is not sorry. She is sorry that she has been found out.
But she is not sorry for her actions. No regrets with her. The agency writes
back to me that without the whole story and without the name and/or ID of
the girl, they can’t do anything. They ask me if I’m talking about the same
girl as Mark is. I tell them yes. We are talking about the same girl. I
write the full story to DM. Mark and I believe the girls profile should
be deleted. We are convinced that she is a scam artist and she is not looking
for a relation at all. And she will keep on doing it to other men. We believe
Glen feels the same. Bill Green feels the same. He is convinced. He knows first
hand and he was with us. He knows her. He knows me.
We
furnished proof that we sent money to Tatiana......
We keep writing the agency. The agency wants
the Western Union transfers, SMS's where she asks money. I deliver. They want
Mark to ask for her profile to be deleted. Mark asks the agency to delete her
profile. We all do this. The agency calls us. We again explain why we think she
is scamming.
Tatiana
moves on to scam more unsuspecting victims......
Tatiana writes me on November 19, that she will
break up with me. I don’t care about this. I already broke up with her! But she
does not know this. She breaks up because I found out about her. Not because I
was complaining to the agency. She does not know about our complaints at that
particular moment. She breaks up because I found out about her. No other
reason. I write her a letter and let her know that I already broke up with her
10 days prior to her breaking up with me, that I was setting her up. I also
tell her that I was in chat with other girls. I could not have a relation with
such a girl and I think no man in his right mind would accept this behavior
from his girlfriend. I know now for sure that it was always her intention
to scam me. How do I know this? Read on........
I am
and always was, a real gentleman......
A man or woman in love! How do they behave?
Well, they climb mountains, swim oceans and fight with all competition with
their bare hands and brake down walls with bare hands when it is a threat to
there relationship. You do not leave a relation because the soup is too hot.
When you are in love, real deep love (like she wrote to me), well then you do
not give up this easy. She was looking for a way out and she found a reason. I
never gave her an excuse to break up with me. I was good, nice, decent, honest,
generous, and a real gentleman all the way. So there was no reason for her to
dump me. I, on the other hand, had plenty reasons. Remember! When she broke up,
she did not know about us complaining to the agency. She only knew that I found
out about her lying and cheating. I spoiled her plans!
Would
I do this when I think she is lying to me?
The agency calls Tatiana. She denies
everything. We are jealous and dumb men. She never asks for money and the
gifts, well they are gifts. She never wanted a relation with me. That was my
imagination. Well in her letters in DM, she talks different. I was, the one,
she writes. If this is the way she is treating the love of her life, well than
I pity the person she really hates. And would I send this much money to a girl
that is not serious about this relation? Would I come back to her a second,
third and fourth time, when I’m not serious? Would I do this when I think she
is lying to me? I don’t think so.
All
girls are taught to steal and lie by
Marriage
Agency managers......
Anyway, we keep writing to the agency and we
insist that she be removed. But even after they pay back four men and receive
complaints, they still keep her on. Why? Instead of deleting the girl.
They delete the complaining men. And they ask proof in writing that Tatiana
asked for money. These girls are clever and well prepared by the local manager.
You will never receive a request for money in writing. They will ask you on the
phone and with SMS’s and when you are there to visit the lady. How can you
prove this? Nobody can do this. I’m convinced that in a court of
law, with a jury, we would win this case with eyes closed and our fingers in
our nose. No doubt. A jury would be in our corner all the way.
Marriage
Agencies are just like a fly trap......
The agency knows this of course very well. They
prepare the girls for what to do and what not to do. The agency tells us
that it is perfectly normal that girls and men lie to each other on the
website. There is nothing they can do about it. I beg to differ. What they
say is that they can’t delete the girl because we provide no evidence. The girl
is doing nothing wrong. The men pay and get cheated big time. They have
no way of finding out if the girl is honest and serious. He finds out when it
is to late. He goes to a foreign country where he does not know the culture or
the language. He is in a foreign country and he pays for everything. And the
agency is doing nothing to warn and protect. Marriage agencies are just
like a fly trap.
Of
course, there are men that scam too......
Of course there are many men on the website
that are absolute idiots. Very old, no teeth, bald, ugly and living on welfare
and on and on! They have no realistic dreams about finding a young, beautiful,
smart girl to bring home and live in shit for the rest of her life. But I do
not fall under this category I ‘m sure. But never the less, they do not deserve
to be screwed up and left in crap. The agency should tell in advance that it is
not very realistic what they are aiming for. Instead the agency does nothing
but taking money from these men. I spoke with marriage agencies in my
country. Believe me when I say this. It is a very big difference in approach.
This is not possible with these agencies.
I
only came to see Tatiana and nobody else......
If men and women date on these websites, it is
very normal that you speak with more people at the same time. It is normal that
you chat and keep your options open with more than one woman. But you should
tell. And you must not do what Tatiana did. I only came to see her. And when
she told me in August that she was serious again and again in her letters, I
expected this to be true. She was in chat with men at the same time while she told
the same story to these men. I can only conclude that it was pre-meditated. The
agency should not allow this. I know the normal agencies do warn customers.
Suspicious
activity and the first sign, we will remove her......
www.1888pressrelease.com Dream marriage press release.
Dream-Marriage.com protects clients from scam by deleting any profiles
from the database immediately upon the first sign of suspicious activity.
They just introduced another industry innovation to add to their
"Confirmed Profile" that will check passports as well as conducting
personal interviews to verify the identity of all Russian women on the site.
We
know this is not true !!! What they do, is talk with the girl and let her now
she is making a mistake. That is all.
Why
Dream Marriage keeps these girls on?
I believe to have found the answer. In
economy and business you have the 80/20 rule; Meaning that you make 80% of your
turnover with only 20% of your stocks. 80% of the profit with 20% of the
stocks. It is a widely accepted reality in business.
If you have 15.000 girls on your website. Then
you have 3000 girls that chat, write and make the business run well. From these
3000 girls! 20% I believe are real professional scammers. They chat all day and
night. And you look at the site and see which girls chat and write all the
time. Yes you will see about 600 girls every day in chat. The rest is window
dressing.
Window
dressing, no more, no less......
You can write a girl, and she is a doctor. And
she is almost never in chat. This is because she works all day and has a
daughter. So she will write you back. But, she is not in chat and she does not
bring the money for the agency. I was in contact with such women. These women
are tolerated at the agency. Window dressing, no more, no less!
A
little more math. It's more than nickles and dimes......
Six hundred girls over 24 hours period, makes
518,400 minutes of chat every day? We are talking big bucks here. This is the
maximum estimate. Remember Tatiana was in chat with Mark and I for 6000
to 7000 minutes in six months. We know this because the money we got refunded.
Six hundred girls like her, makes 12.000.000 minutes in chat in a year.
This is the minimum estimate. So it is all about the money. We customers.
We are just losers and we are treated this way. Girls like this are
important to the agency. If the agency starts deleting the scam girls! The
girls will take her business to another site. If, the agency acts very tough
with the girls. They loose big bucks. These girls bring in the money. Our
case was even discussed in other agencies in Ukraine. I know this from a girl
I’m still in contact with. The agencies are preparing the girls better NOW!
Fake
anti scam sites......
Yes. The agencies set up fake anti scam sites
and make you believe something is being done about the scamming. It is hard to
tell which site is genuine and which one is not. There are so many, and it is
competition. I will try to find out about this. I need more time to find it and
get hard evidence on this. But I will get it eventually.
Not
all girls are bad, BUT......
Not all the girls are scam artists. And this
makes the accusations so much harder and more difficult to prove. I met several
good girls on the site. And I’m still in contact with these girls. These girls
are almost never in chat. They only chat sometimes. They answer your
mails and when they give you their personal information, they give you a real
address. On the website they have decent and normal photos. Not dressed in next
to nothing. If you start communicating with these girls, they never ask for
money and they will start writing you with a personal email account. They will
send SMS’s and you can chat with them in Skype. Not all the girls have Skype,
but they know how to get it and if they are serious it will not be a problem
for the lady to find it. The girl deletes her profile at once. Likewise for a
decent man! Remember Tatiana never wanted this at all. It is a big red flag. I
told her numerous times that it was very expensive to chat on DM. But she did
not care at all. It was too difficult she told to me, and Mark. YEAH, RIGHT!
Maybe
she was a nice girl before working at the agency......
The thing is! She is a nice girl and she is not
bad at all. She is fun to be with and I’m convinced that she is a good person.
But she is a product of her education and her upbringing. If you
read her profile you will see that she wants honest people for a relation. But
she should offer the same I guess. Fortunately, many girls are very different.
She probably thinks that we men deserve this. Maybe she thinks so badly about
us. I just do not know. She never really explained why she was behaving like
this. I have no answer at all that can explain her behavior, when is it not
scamming? Maybe they only see the situation now; not thinking long term.
Like I said, I never got a real explanation from her.
Dream
Marriage let Tatiana read all the complaint letters......
I called her a few weeks ago. And it was not a
bad talk at all. Very polite, no screaming or shouting at all! DM , made
her read all our letters. Yes, right! The girl was offered to read everything I
wrote about her. I told her, I do not mind seeing her when I’m in Nikolaev. And
I also told her that I was seeing other nice girls. But a relationship, NO,
THAT CAN'T WORK. I’m convinced that she will never enter a relation with a man
she meets on the website.
Dream
Marriage
Removes
the men before they remove a scammer......
A few days later, I received a phone call from
DM. Chantelle wanted to get more explanation from me. She tells me, we (the
men) have different stories. And if I make a complaint and Mark backs it up,
they will remove the girl immediately. She called Mark a liar. He never wanted
Tatiana to be removed. I wrote Mark and he wrote the agency again. And called
them liars and scam artists and demanded Tatiana deleted. THEY REMOVED HIM!
It's
unethical and morally disgusting......
I have to admit, when I found out about what
she did. I wanted to break her. I was so mad. It was humiliating what she did.
But time heals all wounds I guess. And it was only money. But I was genuinely
in love with her. I was serious about this relationship.
Unfortunately, she was not. She had no right doing this to me, nor any other
person. It is unethical and morally disgusting.
Fake
accounts, exposing Dream Marriage......
I made two fake accounts on DM. One with a
photo of a good-looking friend and one with no photo from a 50 year old guy.
Surprise to me. The good-looking guy receives, in only one weeks time over a
1000 letters. He also receives many invitations for chat. The profile with no
photo receives the same amount of letters and many girls are the same. And when
I open the profile with no photo I receive chat invitations as well. And the
good-looking guy received even a chat invitation from Tatiana. I did not
respond. That was funny.
Does
all of this make you wonder?
Me
too. Is it a scam?
Conclusion
What if we were to turn the system
around....... I live in Belgium and I write to girls in FSU countries. The girls
pay to write me and to make contact. They can’t see how many girls I see or
chat with. I, on the other hand can see all the men and women. I invite a
girl and make her pay everything. And when she visits me in my country, where
she does not know anything or anybody, besides me. She stays alone in a hotel
and I pick her up for trips, restaurants, cinema and aqua-park and on top of
this, she buys me gifts and gives me money. She goes back after one week. I
keep in touch with her, and of course with many other girls. This, of course, I
don’t tell her. I tell her she is the only one for me. I invite her again
and I tell her that I love her. She comes back and she stays for two weeks and
of course she pays everything. And she gives me money and presents. I promise
that she is the only one, I will stop chatting with other girls. Of course I
keep on chatting with other girls and I even ask three girl to come and see me.
Of course after a while, girl number one finds out about me fooling around with
other girls. She is furious. I wonder why? She complains to the agency! And the
agency will tell her....... Bad luck girl, better luck next time. She informs
the other girls who are in chat and write with me. They dump me of course.
What would we call such a man? A player, a
user, a womanizer, a jerk, a swine? Certainly a man like this is not counting
on much support from anybody. Men or women will condemn such a behavior.
I would have a very difficult time finding a person to speak on my behalf.
Well, if I would be the only guy in this story,
I would not have much to say and not much proof. It would look like a
frustrated, turned down man. But we are four men, to reach the same conclusion.
It is a whole different ball game now.
To me, it is very clear. It is all, wrong! The
sites, are set up to be abused by the wrong people. And the agency knows it and
they do nothing about it, because they are the problem.
I will wait for the responses from the girl and
the agency. Are we all curious what they have to say?
Recently Dream-marriage.com is even advertising
with slogan like (are you looking for a Russian porn star). These are ads, in
Dutch magazines and on Internet. Truly the actions of thrust worthy partner to
look for a decent relation!
I will also investigate the owners and the
companies behind the agencies. It is all public record. Turnover, profits! Who
are the people behind all this? But it takes time to investigate. And this is
for me not always possible to travel and go after them. But eventually I will
get all the info we need.
Written by Jan Jacobs, Belgium.
Recent developments.
Tatiana moved her address to
Gorlovka and back to Nikolaev again. Her profile was offline for several weeks.
She is back online now. I don’t know if the agency or she herself removed the
profile. But clearly there is something going on. She is clearly trying to
avoid us to follow her moves.
It is very disturbing that the
girl never apologizes and says she is sorry for what she did. To her, we are
the bad people here; because we found out about her and ruined her plans. She
is emotional handicapped person, or a real men hater. Or, yes a scammer. Either
way, she can’t stay on the site.
Hello Jan,
I would like to reply to your response and would like to post my
response wherever you plan on posting it. Where is the link your report is
posted to?
Sorry, but I risk you or someone else changing my reply if I send my
reply to you directly.
Please inform me where you are posting your report.
Thank you,
Carla
Customer Support
Dream Marriage
Reply Jan Jacobs,
It would be a great test, if all
the members of DM would get my story and the reply of DM. I wonder how the
members would react? Will they agree with the agency or with us? Why not try
this? If I was a member and I
would read such a story, I would think twice about the agency. I’m a sitting
duck for scammers as a member. If the agency is so sure but this, why not try
this? Ask your members. Get it in the open.
