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National Agents Alliance - Burlington, North Carolina Smoke and Mirrors Burlington North Carolina
*General Comment: I'm surprised that NAA is still around
1Author
2Consumer
4Employee/Owner
I'd really like to back up and build upon the comments posted by Disillusioned from Parma Heights, Ohio on September 7, 2007. His/Her comments couldn't be more accurate.
As you can tell by my user name, I am truly astounded at how many folks continue to be sucked in by NAA's recruit marketing. First and foremost it is important to understand that NAA's President and CEO, Andy Albright, has a background in MLM (Multi Level Marketing for those of you unfamiliar with the acronym.) There are a myriad of reasons that MLM has the reputation it does, simply perform a search for Andy Albright on the web utilizing any of the more popular search engines and see for yourself just how many MLM activities he is or has been involved in.
So why does the history of NAA's President concern you? Well, simply put, NAA is an Independent Marketing Organization engaged in the business of selling leads. That's right, selling LEADS, not insurance, LEADS. The leads are just as Disillusioned stated, elderly and uninsurable. But why is that important you ask? It is important to remember that you are at a 55% contract rate to start out and that only 80% of that is advanced when the application is issued. The average sale for an NAA lead is around $360 (Agent's commission = $158.40) in annual premium, which means in order to reach their claims of $8,000 or $10,000 a week in annual premium you must meet with and close, the keyword here is close, just over 22 proposed insureds per week. Even NAA's best agents can't say they have closed 100% of their appointments in a given month or week for that matter. Here's where the rubber meets the road. In order to visit with 22 proposed insureds a week you'll need to have a lead flow of about 73 leads per week. Keep in mind that 22 per week is an average of 4.5 per day with about 1/2 hour drive between appointments in the same county, and one hour of time with each proposed insured "if" you take an application. If you work a normal work week that equates to just shy of 7 hours a day. Not too shabby...
Very possible you say? That's 73 x $20 for what NAA has marketed as an "A" lead. "A" lead doesn't mean good quality, it just means current, as in the lead was very recently received from the proposed insured. Did you do the math while reading the last sentence? That's right it will cost you $1460 to be able to sit down with an average of 22 proposed insureds per week. Wait, what about the other 51 leads? What's wrong with them? Those are the ones that Disillusioned told you about, the ones that are too old, uninsurable, or can't afford any number you put in front of them, but you still paid $20 a piece for them. Do you see where we're headed here ladies and gentlemen? Your effective lead cost for 22 leads per week is $1460 or broken down, $66 a lead. So let's say you are the best agent NAA has ever had, you close 100% of your appointments every week for a month...
$1460 x 4 weeks = $5840 in lead cost, while your commissions on 22 closed appointments per week at $158.40 each x 4 weeks = $13,939.20 - $5840 lead cost = $8099.20 net profit before taxes, professional insurance, expenses(telephone, vehicle, fuel, etc.) After you take out your expenses it isn't much return on investment.
Now here is the best part. The above, run-on paragraph, is a "perfect" example, the way NAA and its President and CEO, Andy Albright, would like you to believe is the way it works. The reality of the matter is that it is nearly impossible for a new agent with NAA to get more than 10 "A" leads per week. As a former agent contracted through them I serviced the most populous county in my state. A reasonable person would think that with new mortgage closings exceeding 1500 per week in the county it would be fair to expect 75 leads per week, right? Not even close, you'd be lucky to see that many leads in two months. What they don't tell you up front is that your MGA (Managing General Agent) or upline (does MLM come to mind?) must request a certain amount of leads for a certain geographical area. If they are working out of the same county they can easily pick the leads they want to distribute to you and then keep the higher quality leads (i.e. younger, larger mortgage) for themselves. Heck, they can even double distribute the leads like NAA does with its "B" lead program (another story altogether). I can tell you exactly how many of their "B" leads I called on that had already been sold, the number is rather astounding! Haha!
The bottom line is this ladies and gentlemen...
there are better programs out there, programs that truly give you exclusive leads, exclusive territories, and above all a 90% - 110% contract rate from the start! Do some research and you will find them. It may take a while, but in the end will be well worth it!
Astounded
Rocky River, Ohio
U.S.A.
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Updates & Rebuttals
#1 Employee
AUTHOR: Naa4life - Jacksonville (U.S.A.)
SUBMITTED: Friday, October 19, 2007
POSTED: Friday, October 19, 2007
The title says it all! How in the world did you come up with your figures? The average sale is how much? You have go to be kidding! You must be in the backwoods if $360 is your average sale, or just not that good. Not every lead is a sale, but if you can't close 60-70%, then it's you. Maybe you need 73 leads per week, but I take 7. That cost me about $200 a week. Now my average app is about $1000, and yes you get advanced 80%, but that's the insurance companies rules, not NAA's. I just don't understand your math. If it's so bad, how do we have so many people making over a 100K every year? Who cares where the owner of the company came from. What does that matter? It's just ashame that there are people out there who believe the nonsense you are spewing! I've been with NAA for over 5 years and things have only gotten better...and continue to improve everyday. I'm sorry for your failure.
#2 Employee
AUTHOR: Komputroniks - Fullerton (U.S.A.)
SUBMITTED: Sunday, November 25, 2007
POSTED: Sunday, November 25, 2007
I have been selling with NAA for 8 months now and I never buy more then 10 A leads a week, and I usually close 3-4000 aweek of premium, which is about 14 apps per month which is around 1000-year per app average. I have never had
better ratios with any other lead. This guy is completely making up this stuff!
This business is tough and people of whimpy nature tend to come up with this crazy stuff!
#3 Employee
AUTHOR: Roger - grapevine (United States of America)
SUBMITTED: Wednesday, October 05, 2011
POSTED: Wednesday, October 05, 2011
The statements about NAA and Andy Albright are completely false. My husband I have been with NAA for 6 years, and could not be any more excited. We have gotten to know Andy and his wife, Jane, very well over the years, and have seen first hand, their genuine, heartfelt desire to help others win. The company does NOT make money selling leads, lol. They make money when WE sell insurance, AKA, protect families that have asked for the protection already.. Simply put, I am a COMPLETE product of the NAA system created by Mr. Albright, cash flowing $300K this year and winning 4 all-expense paid vacations, and absolutely will be forever grateful to him, and the NAA leadership for making this possible. Unfortunately for some, personal change is needed, and that tends to weed out the masses, which is who usually spends their precious time, creating these blogs. Hope they can learn to spot an "opportunity" when they see one!
#4 Consumer Comment
AUTHOR: jay smith - greenville (United States of America)
SUBMITTED: Tuesday, November 22, 2011
POSTED: Tuesday, November 22, 2011
I agree to a lot of what this guy said. The do double sell the A leads. I have proof. I have paid as much as $33 for an A leads only to find out another person in my group has the same lead. I even have had many leads sold to me 2 -3 times. I am not sure exactly what the percent. But My figures are showing some where around 25% of A leads purchased have been double sold. They are promised to be exclusive to you for 5 weeks. I tried to ignore that fact and just figure that if I average it out then the leads are $40,50,60 or what instead of $33. But when you start figuring in the people who have no checkbook or who thought it was free then it goes way up.. The system looks great and is great along with the companies that supply the product. The problem is the people who are involved and the leadership of NAA.. And the lies they tell! They keep there agent so busy with events that they do not know they are being robbed blind!! They call it 100k per year sales job and it could be true if they sold you honest leads. But they do not... If you take the top selling agent in the Womack Organization. I will not mention his name other then I heard his middle name was (Drop the Ball). He know how to sell to the poor old ladies and such. He stay near the top of the leader board every week. He has been issued paid around $130,000 this year! That sound great right?? But take into consideration the Womack Org is like the 3 largest in NAA and this guy is the top guy!! And now look at his lead bill. If your any good your lead bill will be around 25% of your issue paid per year. So 25% off of $130,000 is $97,500 Not bad until you take into account at least 25% in charge backs if your good! So now your at around $70,125 now take out the president club you must join at $3700 plus per year! Then gas and E&O insurance. Along with meeting and training cost .. You Might make $60,000 at best!! And this is one of the top guys in the country! He has tapes you can buy and the have him doing training etc.. Good luck with all that guys,, Run before its to late..
#5 Employee
AUTHOR: jay smith - greenville (United States of America)
SUBMITTED: Tuesday, November 22, 2011
POSTED: Tuesday, November 22, 2011
Maybe $ 360 is a little low but your $1000 is not a real average! That is one of the numbers that is inflated to make the business look better than it is. It could be a great business however the leadership loves to pump up the numbers. This business will only produce a 100k income if your willing to cycle through people through recruiting and reselling leads to the new people. I wonder why you all talk how great the business is and I agree the program has some wonder this about it! Good leads when there good and not recycled. Good leads when mailed to the proper zip codes! Right now the mortgage leads are very limited! why not be real about! To make A 100K selling right now is not realistic in this market, That is why you are reselling the leads. The poor job market is what driving the growth! NAA has lots o training and great companies to represent, The leadership is not honest and they do not walk the talk.. They prey on the weak!! Its sad because it could be a great program.. If you are issue paid 100k in NAA selling insurance you might net 50K after the leads bill and then you will have at least 25% in charge backs.. and that is being conservative in this market. The product is not to blame the current market is! What saddens me if the leadership taking advantage of people through the up selling of programs like the president club and special seating at functions! Why not allow people to earn there way to those meetings and seating by selling a certain amount.. I will tell you why ! because Andy makes alot of money off those programs.. Sound a lot like Amway before they kicked a bunch of crooks out of that business? Sounds like that to me.
If the program is so good then stop over selling it!!! Most of you involved will not be in the business in 2 years! You will have large credit card bills and lots of extra miles on your car and hopefully your wife will still be with you! There is some creditable assets to the business it is just being ran out of control by the spirit of greed!
#6 Consumer Comment
AUTHOR: Disillusioned - Parma Heights (U.S.A.)
SUBMITTED: Tuesday, December 27, 2011
POSTED: Tuesday, December 27, 2011
Your report was great and very accurate. I haven't been on this board in a number of years but it is a very slow day today so I thought I would check out a few items from the past. I live on the same side of town as you do and I am surprised that they are still around. My experience with NAA was a brief bad experience back in 2005. The leads I ran and closed were almost all in the inner city neighborhoods. No doubt those mortgages were sub prime mortgages since I wondered how the people I was meeting could qualify for any mortgage. I was unaware of all those sub prime mortgages back then, but I had heard a little of how many people who couldn't ordinarily get mortgages were buying houses.
No doubt those homes have been foreclosed. I know that some of the people I did sell had lapsed their policies after a couple of years. I went by a couple of the houses where I had sold policies under NAA and the houses were boarded up. I think that by 2009 none of the policies I had sold through NAA leads was still on the books. When all the stuff came out about the sub prime mortgages going under and all the foreclosures in the inner city neighborhoods (where I saw a lot of the NAA leads and sold a number of them); I suspected that just about everyone I saw through NAA had one of those mortgages.
I have since moved on to another line of business in the insurance business where I am doing quite well. I do not have to depend on crooks and rip off artists like NAA to survive and actually have built a nice clientele and business. I still go into the inner city neighborhoods and have passed some of the houses where I sold a policy to a NAA lead and some of the houses have been torn down, many are boarded up.
I still occaisionaly get phone calls from NAA recruiters who must still be trolling old resumes and come across mine. I listen to their babble then quickly blow them off. With the collapse of the sub prime mortgages and with credit being tightened so much in recent years, who would be so dumb as to do any business with NAA?