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Complaint Review: Norwich Terriers@ DK'S - Delana Ross

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  • Submitted: Wednesday, September 01, 2010
  • Last Posting: Friday, September 03, 2010
  • Reported By: SJ — Joplin Montana United States of America
Norwich Terriers@ DK'S - Delana Ross
104 Taylor Banks RD, McKee, KY 40447-9335 Berea, KY Kentucky 40405 United States of America

Norwich Terriers@ DK'S - Delana Ross Delana Ross Backyard Pet Breeder -- Doesn't health test her Norwich breeding stock and doesn't stand behind her Norwich puppies Berea,, Kentucky

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I contacted Delana Ross, Dec 27, 2009, responding to an ad she had placed on Puppyfind advertising a Norwich Terrier show prospect female, being sold with full AKC registration.  I told Delana I was looking for a female show dog and was interested in her girl so she sent me some flip videos of the girl she had for sale.  The video's were only a few seconds each so I asked her for some still pictures but she told me her camera was broke.  In one of the videos I noticed a large white patch on this females chest and ask her about it.  She told me that it wasn't a big deal and it would lessen over time.  She told me that an AKC judge had visited her home at one time and told her that most Norwich's have white on the chest.  When I looked in the AKC standard it said that white on a Norwich was undesirable and then she told me that it wasn't a big deal.  Being new to the breed I believed her.  When a Norwich handler later saw this girl she told me this was a VERY large white patch and would probably not go away, she was correct. 

Anyway, despite warnings about buying from Delana, who doesn't  belong to the Norwich Terrier Club of America and show her own dogs, I went ahead and bought the female because I didn't want to wait for another female to become available and Delana kept telling me how nice she was...so I weakened and purchased the girl.  I paid TOP dollar for her and Delana then had the gull to make me pay for her to be microchipped.  I should have just told her to keep the dog but I wanted a Norwich so badly I kept ignoring the backyard, puppymill, behavior, Delana kept displaying.

After receiving the dog in mid January, I took her to a groomer to start handstripping her coat.  She was 3 months old and had never been stripped so she was very "hairy".  When Olivia got done with her she made a comment about what a strange coat she had but thought it would improve and to bring her back again in a couple weeks.  I worked a little with stripping on her and then took her back to Olivia again after 3 weeks.  Again, this girls coat acted and looked strange with tons of undercoat and other hairs that stuck out at a 45 degree angle from her body.  We kept working with her hoping the hair would start to hard like a terrier coat should and we couldn't get any results.

Then, in March I was introduce to a very nice terrier handler that agreed to take this girl and start to groom her for show.  At our initial meeting she told me this Norwich had a very different coat...didn't lay flat to her body...very elevated but she would work with it and hopefully she could train the folicle to lay more flat.  She then also pointed out the girls weak areas...straight rear making her high in the rear and throwing off her topline, shoulder lay back wasn't great, tail was cropped to short, and the coat flaw.  I had told Delana I would show her so despite the handlers findings I told her I would send her out and have her try and see if she could get some points on her. 

Shortly after leaving her with the handler, this girl came into heat in April at 6 months old.  While at the handler, she continued to work on her coat, trying to get hard coat to come in and get her in condition.  She traveled with the handler as she went to the shows and she continued to be worked with the entire time.  She started to show in May and picked up 1 point.  As the handler continued to struggle with her coat, she kept in close contact with me giving me updates on what was happening.  The end of May I went to the shows where this girl was being shown.  Not only was I embarassed at what she looked like (her coat was so poor), I  decided at that time not to continue showing her once she was finished with the shows she was already entered in. 

My handler contiuned to show the girl and then one day called and told me her coat was doing weird things again and undercoat was flying out of her like a cattail.  The coat kept blowing out and was totally out of control, then about a week later she came into heat again.  It was the middle of June. 

At that time I call Delana and told her what was going on with her and I had decided not to show her anymore because of what was happening with her coat and her other flaws.  Delana never once said she was sorry about all that was going on with this dog or showed concern but was disappointed I wasn't going to show her anymore. She never offered any compensation for this girl not turning out for show...just told me I needed to grow her up some more and then take her back out. 

Well, after the last show she was entered in I brought her home...I talked to some breeders about breeding her...taking her to a nice male and maybe I could correct her faults and produce better puppies.  Several of us talked together and a handful of males were offered thinking she would make an okay breeding girl if taken to the right male.  We decided we would make the final decision closer to the time she would come into heat...around Dec.

Then, the middle of August I noticed her coat started looking very strange, again  I thought I would do another good handstripping on her and when I began stripping her hair started falling out like crazy...way extreme for no longer than her hair was.  As I worked on her I discovered she was in heat again...that makes 3 times since April.  At that time I made a vet appointment to try to find out what was going on.  So many heat cycles so close together wasn't normal.

I feed my dogs Holistic Select dog food and supplement with Missing Link plus and fish oil.  My other dogs have lovely coats so I don't think nutrition is playing any role in her poor coat and either did my vet. 

When I called Delana to tell her about what was happening with this girl all she would say is,  I've never had any of my girls here have any problems, then ask me why I took her to the vet...DUH!!!  She never said she was sorry to hear that this was happening...never offered any advise, just kept saying...that's strange.  My vet did a thyroid test that came just back just slightly elevated...nothing drastic and told me not to use this girl in a breeding program...she suggested spaying her.  The vet also noted the strange hair, something she said was definitely not normal but because the girl is young and in heat this wasn't a good time to do hormone testing. 

When I emailed Delana to tell her about the test and what the vet suggested she didn't answer my email.  I explained to Delana that she had sold me a show/breeding Norwich that I could now do neither with.  I emailed Delana again the next day and she finally anwered saying that I should have not shown her once she didn't do well and that she had a 6 months health guarantee from life threatened diseases from the date of birth and that I hadn't proved anything was even wrong with her and now this girl was 10 months old, she offered no help at all.  When I pointed out to her that I tried to show this girl and she didn't do well and now I couldn't use her for breeding either, I didn't get what I paid for and ask her what she wanted to do...she offered nothing and told me I was being rude and she was tired of it.  OOOO, that sound like a responsible breeder, huh?   I explained to Delana that she needed to stand behind her breedings and not advertise everything as a show puppy.  I also told her that it takes more to be a dog breeder than just collecting the money.  Breeder support (whether for pet or show/breeding) is very important and she offered NONE and it should be a #1 priority.   My handled and other Norwich friends offered me more help than she ever could have.  I also found out she does no health testing on her dogs so how would she know if she was passing on genetic defects, anyway. 

I know now that I should have been more patient and bought my Norwich from a reputable Norwich Terrier breeder that does health testing and that's is looking to improve the breed and NOT from a backyard breeder that just wants to make money selling pets.  Delana charges top dollar for her pets so if you take the time and look around, you'll be able to buy a quality pet with lifetime breeder support from someone else.  Delana didn't even offer to help me find a nice pet home for this girl...what kind of a person doesn't care about the dogs THEY bring into this world.  If she can't stand behind her dogs, she shouldn't breed them.

I tried my best to do what I agreed to do with this girl...show her to her championship and breed nice Norwich puppies but because of the circumstances that surrounded her that was not possible.  So, I found a good pet home for this girl.  I got NO money when placing her but I have a good feeling that she's in a wonderful home where she'll be loved and cared for like she deserves. 

As for Delana, she shouldn't be breeding dogs if she doesn't care enough about them to take them back no matter what the problem.  Please think before you get ripped off by her....buy elsewhere and support the NTCA. 

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Make it hard for someone to rip you off

AUTHOR: Sabre - Corpus Christi (USA)

You shouldn't ever buy a car without both getting a documented-history-report, and taking a mechanic to look under the hood. You also should be wary about getting an AKC show-dog without making sure it's AKC quality by getting some sort of parent-gene-mapping (I think it's called a pedigree test), and without an AKC expert taking a look at the dog.

You got ripped off, that much is true. You expected to buy a quality show-dog, was told you were getting one, and probably paid the price of one; but you also need to make it a little harder to get ripped off. People rip you off when you let them - that is why accredited kennels exist, because they have a reputation and you aren't near as likely to get screwed if you let your guard down.

Legally, it could be construed as fraud and false-advertising, but prosecuting that may be so much expense and effort, I would say drop it.

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#2 Update By Author

She is changing her tune now.

AUTHOR: SJ - Joplin (United States of America)

I tried to explain that I do take some responsiblity for my part in this dealing.  Now that I have made this report and emailed Delana about this dog she has changed the wording on her website saying she is only selling pets. Something I said must have hit a nerve with her. 

 I just want people to know that there are better places to buy Norwich puppies than from her.  I was told that finding a Norwich female was almost impossible so when I saw the puppyfind ad I admit that I jumped to fast and for that I take full responsiblity but her nonchalant attitude about the whole matter shows me that she is totally in it for the money and nothing else.  I didn't do anything but love this dog and give her the best care and fullfill my part of the agreement.  What did she do?  Sell me a dog that she misrepresented and then tried to blame me. 

Quality dog breeders do exist but Delana Ross is not one of them and that is the point I want to get across.  If she was the sweet little Christian lady that she pretented to be she would try to do what is right. 


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#3 Owner of Company

HERE IS MY SIDE

AUTHOR: Delana - Mckee (United States of America)

Shawn could not and still has not gotten me a letter from her vet telling me there was anything wrong with her dog. She did email and call me and expressed some concern about her dog being in heat about a month to 6 weeks ago and she had come back in heat again. I was thinking she maybe is having a split heat. She said she was going to take her to her vet and have test run on her to see if there was something wrong with her and she would let me know around the next Monday aug. 30th. But before  Monday came she started emailing me demanding me to send her another dog and that I had 6 months to do so. And still no vet has contacted me by letter or any other form to let me know of a promlem. She proceeded to tell me I lied to her about her puppy. I sent her several vidoes of the pup so she could view the puppy and decide for herself if she was the dog for her. I told her I could not gurantee this dog or any dog to finish in the ring, she had to decide that for herself. She was the lady who was showing dogs not me and I told her I don`t show. So even if she had not shown the Norwich  breed she did have experience in showing her Chihuahua`s.

I do know her handler did show the pup and there was at least one judge who gave her the winning points because Shawn sent me the picture.  I believe pups show at age 6 months to a year in the same class. I still think Shawn should have waited til the pup got a little older and more mature than show her but she did not agree so it is her dog and she can show her or not.

Maybe Shawn saw that I had an AKC champion that had just finished in Aug. and she was wanting a pup from him. I just don`t know.  What I do know is that she got very rude and hateful to me and still has not given me any proof of any health problem with this dog. She will be 1 year old next month in Oct. I would have done something if she would have proved to me there was something wrong but she never did. Instead she thought she would bully me into something and when she did not get what she wanted this is what she wrote and for sure has blown any chance of getting any help from me.  I Never told her at any point that I would not do something just that I was waiting to hear what her vet had to say. As a matter of fact I told her to send her back to me and I would have my vet do test as well.

I will put pictures on my website that shawn sent to me of her puppy for anyone to look at if you wish.


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#4 Update By Author

I don't want another of your dogs, EVER!!!!

AUTHOR: SJ - Joplin (United States of America)

Boy, Delana that was a stretch for even you!!!

She went to her new home today because I don't care at this point if I got another dog from you or not.  I'll just cut my losses and be done with you.  Just because you have 1 champion male now doesn't mean a he will produce nice either and the bitch has a little to do with it too.

I decided not to send her back to you because you would have just started using her in your breeding program and wouldn't care if she was healthy or not so now I don't have to worry about her being used that way.

If you would have just talked to me instead of being so evasive none of this would have happened. 

BYE!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 

 


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#5 Update By Author

Now she is posting a stolen show picture.

AUTHOR: SJ - Joplin (United States of America)

She is posting a show picture that she DIDN'T pay for....she never asked permission to use it. 

Take it down NOW!!!


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THE STOLEN PICTURE

AUTHOR: Delana - Mckee (United States of America)

Oh I`m sorry Shawn you told me you were sending me her show picture and I could put it on my website. Well I will take it down for you if it is stolen. Guess you really don`t want people to see that she did get points in the ring after all. If you would have just waited to send me a letter from your vet and not attack me this would not have happened. You raise your dogs and I`m sure you  would request a vet statement.  I still want to know what was wrong with Tetley but I`m sure I won`t ever know if there was a real problem with her.
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