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Complaint Review: 4XMentoring.com Nathan Gaub

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  • Submitted: Tue, May 13, 2014
  • Updated: Tue, May 27, 2014

  • Reported By: FX Victim — Idaho
4XMentoring.com Nathan Gaub
Internet USA

4XMentoring.com Nathan Gaub 4XMentoring.com Nathan Gaub starts new scam FX operation called 4XMentoring.com Yakima Washington

*Consumer Comment: sorrow for two post

*Consumer Comment: Response to Nathan Gaub

*Consumer Comment: Response to Nathan Gaub

*Consumer Comment: Questions for Nathan Gaub

*REBUTTAL Owner of company: More of the same trash

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Please use great caution when doing any business with 4X Mentoring or Time 4 New Future Ministries.  Do a bing or Yahoo search on Nathan Gaub first.   I suppose you can check with Google too.     Nathan Gaub can not be trusted.   Ask him to show you his tax returns or proof of success he has had trading.  You will note he will never be able to show proof.   I traded with Dan in the past and Nathan was in the mix.  I lost a lot of money in FX and then my family in Spokane lost in his robot scheme/scam.   Please be careful.  I am just making a simple warning.   I am not suing the Gaubs or did we put in any claim.   I am just upset over what I have read, what I have learned and what I know has happened to me in the past and my family. [continued below]....

.....   There was never any special secret Dan or Nathan had.   Do not get tricked as I did in the past.  Ask for proof before you are fooled.   Its simply about doing some level of due dilligence which I am very ashamed to say I did not do once and I am trying to encourage people to do now.   Thanks for reading my post.  


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#1 Consumer Comment

sorrow for two post

AUTHOR: waterscam victim - ()

I posted once as a scam victim then as again because it did not show up for a few days.    I added more to my next post.  DId not know they would post both.  Anyway, hope everyone gets my point.  Thanks to Jack for responding to my post and Nathans.  At least I think that is what he is doing.    Hope all had a good memorial day. 

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AUTHOR: Jack - ()

 

To Nathan Gaub:

You have now finally come out as your own name.   So, lets cover a few things you state as fact.   Nathan Gaub states,  I Jack Baugher sue people until they settle.  This other post on this very site he speaks of, is one he started under the fake name of Lee.  I mean I would not start a site against my own self.     Nathan uses the same lines as this fake person,  because its him.  Nathan, as with his brother and father have got used to using fake names.    Lets review some FACTS:

FACT:  Dan Gaub ripped off tens of millions of dollars from victims all over.  He did this by claiming to be a vice President of Ken Gaub Ministries.  Dan made up people like "Clark" and "terry".  He would tell people as Nathan has before, that he and his brother developed a second to none FX System.

FACT:  This system under oath, Nathan Claimed has made him $400,000.00 over the years, "NOT INCLUDING THE LOSSES".  Not sure about you readers, but Dan supposedly made all sorts of profits too, all shown to be lies and he killed himself once broke from blowing all of his victims money. 

FACT:  Nathan Gaub on TV, just google Gaub Family speaks out KIMA TV.  Here is the direct quotes Nathan Gaub made:

His brother, Nathan, has a very different story to tell.

"Dan was a man who helped hundreds of people in his life,” said Nathan Gaub. “Dan was a man who worked hard to have the resources to help others." 

"The Gaub family ( Through Nathan Gaub)  said Dan was an educator and ethical in all his work".

KIMA asked Nathan Gaub: Are you confident through this investigation, Dan will be cleared of any wrong doing?

"I personally believe that,” he said. “Anyone who thinks they are a victim, at this point we believe they are just jumping the gun out of fear."

OK, ask yourself if you buy what Nathan has stated.  IF so, then Nathan is also a man of honor.   Lets be honest, what we know as FACT, Dan was anything but honest or ethical and Nathan Gaub making up these remarks about his brother was an attempt at damage control.  Today, he is at it again hoping to convince people he is now the FX Wizard since his brother is dead.   Nathan stated he planned to keep his brothers legacy going.   Anyone want that?   At Nathans scam ridden brothers funeral, they said do not buy flowers, FACT, send it to the powerful star five foundation.  When you click to donate, off to Ken Gaub Ministries she goes!  There was never any star five and I defy Nathan to show that.  Nathan is also collecting funds on his web site or was, we have proof of that, when you click, it goes to Ken Gaub ministries.    Nathan knew his brother was a fraud.  Knew there was no secret system, knew people were losing money, knew that he Nathan was losing money.  Knew that the Millionaires they claim to be making, were as fake as all the other made up people. 

FACT:  Nathan Gaub has forced the victims to shell of tens of thousands to help him with his wants and needs on a house the estate should have just let go to foreclosure.  The estate will never even get back the legal fees its expended on Nathan Gaubs behalf.  Nathan knows his sister-in-law, someone that helped a great deal with the scam,  is in charge of the estate and will do whatever it takes to assist Nathan, her son Jourdan or any other Gaub or friend of a Gaub, as they continue to rob the victims. 

FACT: Nathan refuses to date,  to actually give any proof of his trading.  He has been asked over and over for proof of his incredible success.  He likes to roll out that he has stacks of it, but in the end, he refuses.   Also all the people he has led to "profitability" lets see if they will come forward.   I will make a offer to Nathan.  I will pay for a room at a local motel, such as Red Lion or wherever and I will show up.   Are you prepared to face me with the evidence you have?  Lets record it for u-tube and this is your chance to show me up.  You can tell people about how I did not pay $300.00 for a permit to ship pepper sprays nearly 20 years ago.   How I supposedly sued my Pastor, Supposedly sued my church and what evidence you have to back that.  Yes Nathan "Lee" we know you are behind all of these accusations that no one cares about.    As far as you always saying, on everyone of your post as Lee and now as Nathan, that I am not in the legal business, which I am not a lawyer, but justice, who cares?  Ask the Goldman's how the "Legal business" worked out for them when OJ paid enough money to get away with MURDER.   People today in the scam business Nathan use the legal system to out spend their victims and the victims many many times get NO JUSTICE.   I know this is the kind of thing you like, to be able to run scams and get away with it, but no, I do not like that kind of thing Nathan.  We help victims,  like the victims of the Gaubs get justice!    Do you think the LOSING INVESTORS think the legal system is doing them justice with Dawndee Gaub as the PR?

FACT:  Ken Gaub has made a claim for a cut of the funds that are in the estate.   FACT:  Witnesses say that Ken Gaub is a con man that never paid a dime into his scam ridden son's scam.  The $2000.000 a month he paid to his son, was from money that Dan Gaub robbed from victims and loaned his Daddy.   Ken knew he could then pretend the 2K a month was for investments.  Its a lie. 

FACT:  Ken Gaub claims to have raised a child from the dead.   Do you think that would have made the news?  I mean Ken is not humble about it and put it in his books. 

FACT:  Ken claims he told a group of people if he could not help a cripple, he was not a Prophet of God.  Ken then claims he has the leg braces hanging from his walls today.   Ole Humble Ken.

FACT: 
  Ken claims that Nathan when he was only FOUR YEARS OLD could quote a hundred bible verses with the references!   Wow, think that might have made shows like THAT'S INCREDIBLE or something, sure.  More lies Gaubs make up to con people into putting money into the plates. 

FACT: 
Victims paid over $26,000.00 out for payments to a life policy that was all paid up shortly and amazingly before Dan Gaub committed suicide.  Dawndee Forces victims to cover all legal cost to insure she banks the money from the policy the victims paid for. 

FACT:  Dawndee Gaubs Demands and approves for victims to pay out thousands of dollars so that her son Jourdan Gaub can get a worthless car for a $1000.00.   Dawndee could have hit CL or other places to just dispose of the Car,  but in her wisdom said, no, take it out of Dan and I's victims we scam for millions and make them pay it.   Dawndee and Dan Gaub lived the high life.  One in which Dawndee Gaub proudly brags at the funeral for scam man Dan,   and I quote " A life of abundance".  

FACT:  Nathan Gaub is working hard still on damage control.  He wants you to think he is a master trader as his brother was.   Nathan wants to con you to thinking about all the supposed victims I have hurt from not paying the Government, as not one of my competitors were either, $300.00 for a WORTHLESS PERMIT,  that was not needed and you could not use once you got it if you wanted to.  Yes, that is what people care about.  If that does not do it, then by GOSH, he sued a man Nathan Claims was my pastor.  Google the Stan Fox scandal, so you can see a place set up that covers it all.  If you really care.   I never set it up and I think you might be seeing a report coming from the person who did, my father, a retired Pastor and Missionary.    Nathan wants everyone to forget about all the money the Gaubs got, along with Cars, cash, goodies they all refuse to give back to the estate.   Nathan gives a solid reason this should happen, Jack sold pepper spray out of the country nearly 20 years ago folks, now you know why you should not listen to a word he says.  Forget about the gaub scam Nathan Crows!  Jack sold pepper out of the country without a permit, there is your story.  

BOTTOM LINE:
  Everyone ready to watch Jack and Nathan debate the facts?  Hear the truth?  I am ready Nathan.  I want people to know all you do is keep making up pages to try to make me look bad and that is fine Nathan, I am here to debate the facts.   Are you?  My guess is you will hide or make up all sorts of excuses as you have in the past that I will try to extort you.   Nathan, all I want really is the truth.  I have said that from day one.   Come out of the closet Nathan and if you truly will show "ANYONE" proof of your profitable trading, lets see it.  I say that you will show a few trades that had profit, but will not show all of your losing trades Nathan,  as the way the business works is simple, you take your PROFITS, minis your LOSSES and you have a NET profit.  Can you bring what you showed the IRS as profits Nathan.  I bet not, oh yes Nathan, I bet you will now run like a whipped dog and refuse to talk.  When you are called on your lies, you always run and hide.   Nathan its time to face me and can you imagine the joy you and your family will get showing all of your glowing proof I am wrong?  You do have that right? Proof I am wrong and PROOF you are telling the truth?   I mean I will even let you start off with some simple ways to back up your statements,  like the proof I am SURE you have,  that Stan Fox was my pastor. The the SDB Church was MY church.  OK?  I mean these are a few of the simple stuff to start out with to give me  few black eyes.  Oh, you do not have proof, right?  Why do you keep saying it and who do you think cares Nathan?  

Well, Nathan I tell you what, I am ready with documents, exhibits, sworn statements and LIVE witnesses to back what I say.  Can you do that with what you say against me?  Well, talk is cheap Nathan.   I put my name and phone number on my post Nathan, you run around like a little school girl spreading gossip under the fake name of "Lee".  I mean come on Nathan, why not just put it down using one of your brothers fake names, Terry or Clark, maybe KENT!   How about one of the fake names your Dad used for one of his miracles, MILLIE!!  That was a good one and easy to remember, Kens mothers name was MILLIE too!   A good Con man has to use ticklers to remember the lies!  Can not take the risk of messing up the facts on your stories.  

Look Nathan, if you want to debate on these forms,  where its up for eternity, cool.  I am game.  I have nothing to hide and I will back my position always. In the words of Dawndee Gaub in her plea for money for the fake star five, "HOW ABOUT YOU"?  So I say, how about you too Nathan.  You ready to come out of that closet and stop hiding?  Oh stop with the line you just are afraid.   Bring your powerful lawyer Nathan, seriously, bring him or bring supporters you can hold hands with and all sing we will overcome! We will overcome!    Seriously Nathan, you and your family have hurt a lot of people.  People have questions.  People want answers.   Your Dad chooses to spend his time on the road pushing his books.  Says on one of his U-Tubes that if he had a billion dollars he would like to bring your brother back.   Then says your mother,  Dan would not want to come back.  Why?  Well your Dad says Dan is walking the streets of Gold and has that Mansion he always wanted.   Humm, how insulting to the victims he conned.  Rips everyone off then like a coward runs full speed into a semi-truck that he could have killed people doing.   How thoughtful to the end.  

Nathan do you know I have spoke to witnesses.  They know as fact that the story your brother spun he was broke down was yet another lie.  That he watched and watched for the right moment then took his life to escape that nasty word Nathan you hate so much, JUSTICE!!!!!  Yes JUSTICE.  My guess is, your brother might just get some after all.   I will let God be the Judge Nathan, but my family and me speak out.  If you have ONE PERSON that can come up and say I wronged them, robbed them, or otherwise and actually face me, you let me know!   I will be happy to sit down and do the right thing, TALK IT OUT.  Listen to them I will.  If they have facts and not fiction to back them, I WILL MAKE IT RIGHT, because that is the right thing to do!   Will you Nathan and your family be willing to do the same?  I ask you man to man, will you?  My guess is you will give a lot of double talk as you have done for two years and spend your time attempting to convince people what an honest ethical man your brother was, but in the end, refuse to face the music, no pun intended, and set the record straight!  You do know about music and records right Nathan?  Well, its time to face the music and set the record straight.  If the truth is with you, then you can not go wrong.  If you are being deceitful, you will find a reason to make up every excuse in the world not to sit down and talk it all out!    You will feel a lot better to get it off your chest! 
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Response to Nathan Gaub

AUTHOR: waterscam victim - ()

To Nathan Gaub:

I have not met you, nor jack, but have been the victim in our family of this mess with your brother.   I am not taking any sides either.   I have been victimized on other deals, one of which involved a water project.   So scams are out there.   What I would like to find out frankly, is who is telling the truth.  To that end, you stated you can prove out profits and have people who are in profits that will stand up too.   Is this words Nathan or can you actually do it? So here is my questions to you:

 

a)  Are you willing to show the evidence?  not of just select profitable trades.   A man can have a profitable day in Vegas.  Does not make him a profitable gambler.   As stated in this article, can you show tax returns to prove out by the year what your profits are?    I know Dan would claim he had made millionaires.  Since you were directly involved in his operation, is this some of the individuals you will bring forward?  Are they able to show long term profitabilty or just individual profitable trades?   A nine year old can show that now and again.

 

b) You state that jack sues people for a living and that is how he makes his money or that is what I have read on other post that seems simular to yours?  Can you name people besides this Church I keep hearing he sued.  I am knowledgable about that issue.  I do know it was never jacks church, he attended some times.  Never was Fox his pastor.   I mean Nathan in fairness I reviewed the web pages on that issue and if you did, I think you would agree the evidence is overwhelming.  Not to mention they now seem to have a post that shows that post all over that the web pages on that church are not jacks but his fathers.    So leave that issue out as he never apparently sued them for money either.   If you do have some proof otherwise on that I would certainly be willing to review that.    Do you have people you can name, that will come forward and say they were extorted and paid him?  I would love to see if there is truth to this.  Is it words or can you back it up.  One last issue on this point and I am done on it is, what does his tear gas or mace or whatever it was issue have to do with us all losing money?  This issue seems to be reported over and over by web pages that are simular to the very things you now state.   I mean besides the fact is was like over tens year ago or something, maybe 20 years, why should it concern us?  I have done worse in my life Nathan and I dare say you have too. 

 

c) Will you meet to debate jack so victims can get to the bottom as I know a lot of victims want to see and hear about the truth and what is real or not real.  Millions have been lost.  I think all agree there.  I think I would trust a person the most willing to sit down and talk and show over someone who will make up every reason in the world why they are not willing to sit down as the bible speaks of to talk and reason one to another that are brothers in the church.  I think you and jack both were raised in the church, both have fathers that preached so it seems to me you both should sit down and talk this out and either prove out your positions or not say them at all.  I have noted jack gives a his phone number and says he will.  I have no idea if that is just words on his part or if he is seriously willing.  If so, will you Nathan, no excuses, just do it?

 

d) You have stated before things and been wrong in many peoples opionions.  One example was a clip for the KIMA News that you felt Dan was a man of honor, ethical and worked hard to have money to help others.  My question is this, do you still stand behind your words and that people were reacting out of fear and that when the facts came out Dan would be cleared?

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#4 Consumer Comment

Questions for Nathan Gaub

AUTHOR: Victim of the scam - ()

Mr. Nathan Gaub.   My family is one of the victims of this whole unpleasent matter.   While surfing regarding Gaub adn FX I noticed this site.    You sound sincere in your desire to prove out anything said by Jack, who I have not met, or others as wrong.

I will not counter your offer or what you state you will do.  To that end, would you then be willing to:

a) Meet with a group of victims and please show us this evidence of your success in trades.  Because I am somewhat in the understanding of the FX trading, euro, pound and dollar, its one thing to profit, its another thing at the end of the day, month or year to net profits.   So, could you also bring tax records for a few years to show proof?

 

b) Are you able to back up statements you claim about the jack guy?   I mean do you have people he has extorted for money and can show the profits and settlements he got.   I note a number of people saying this is how he makes a living.  One called named Lee or something like that claims it. 

 

c)  I know a number of victims want to see you come together and debate jack.  I want to see who is being honest.  I have always been told the proof is in the pudding so to speak.   So to the man willing to do that I would give the most trust to and if you are both willing, then the debate should be recorded and put on U-Tube.  Are you willing, yes or no?

 

d) Last, do you still think your brother as you stated on TV was an honest and ehtical man?  Yes or no?

 

Thanks for everyones time and I will be very interesting to see the response.   Also hopefully your nemesis jack will respond too.

 

 

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#5 REBUTTAL Owner of company

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AUTHOR: Nathan Gaub - ()

This report is a complete fraud.

I am Nathan Gaub I can show anyone proof of profit from broker records. I can line up many students who have gone on to profit.

Regardless of their claims this person is following the talking points of Jack Baugher who has filed similar complaints on this very site.

He is a man who sues people with frivolous suits and them trashes you on line until you settle. He says on his site that he is not in the legal business but in the justice business.

We are in the process of getting cyber bullying charges against him. And every site that carry’s his extortion.

Nathan Gaub 

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