• Report: #169433

Complaint Review: AIU Online & CTU Online

  • Submitted: Tue, December 27, 2005
  • Updated: Tue, December 13, 2011

  • Reported By:chicago Illinois
AIU Online & CTU Online
4550 Trilium Blvd Hoffman Estates, Illinois U.S.A.

AIU Online & CTU Online, American Intercontinental University And Colorado Technical University ripoff, scam, worthless degree Hoffman Estates Illinois

*Consumer Comment: AIU Is Not A Ripoff

*Consumer Comment: Very happy AIU Student

*Consumer Comment: come on now!

*Consumer Comment: RE Ryan

*Consumer Comment: AIU is garbage

*REBUTTAL Individual responds: My opinion

*General Comment: Students Perspective - AIU student and no I am real student call and find out

*Consumer Comment: AIU Graduate

*UPDATE EX-employee responds: Boeing laughed at your AIU degree?

*Consumer Comment: Proof is in the doing...

*UPDATE EX-employee responds: The truth

*Consumer Comment: Kudos to John

*General Comment: AIU is a vaild accredited university

* : it's not a scam

*Consumer Comment: AIU graduate

*Consumer Comment: Rebuttal to AIU rip off--I think its a great school!

*Consumer Comment: Recently graduated AIU with BSCJ

*Consumer Comment: Recently graduated AIU with BSCJ

*Consumer Comment: Recently graduated AIU with BSCJ

*Consumer Comment: CTU is a respectable and accredited school of higher education

*Consumer Comment: AIU is Regionally accredited and is a GREAT school.

*UPDATE Employee: Disgruntled Employee?

*Consumer Comment: What a Waste of Time!!

*Consumer Comment: I agree George...

*Consumer Comment: I agree George...

*Consumer Comment: I agree George...

*Consumer Comment: I agree George...

*Consumer Comment: AIU Online student

*Consumer Suggestion: CEO of IADT has reported some devestating news.

*Consumer Suggestion: Latest report about IADT and CEC schools: Not looking good

*Consumer Suggestion: These schools are in-fact scam schools. What schools has this many reports?!?

*Consumer Suggestion: These schools are in-fact scam schools

*Consumer Suggestion: These schools are in-fact scam schools

*Consumer Suggestion: These schools are in-fact scam schools

*Consumer Comment: AIU and other Online Universities are not Rip Offs

*UPDATE Employee: It's all common sense - really.

*Consumer Comment: STOP ATTENDING ALL THESE JUNK ON LINE SCHOOLS AND YOUR PROBLEMS WILL BE SOLVED

*UPDATE EX-employee responds: You get what you put in

*Consumer Suggestion: CEC has employees come on here and rebute reports (how pitiable!?)

*Consumer Comment: sounds like someone got fired

*Consumer Suggestion: Can't trust anybody in the CEC corporation. Stay away from AIU.

*Consumer Suggestion: Accreditation

*Consumer Suggestion: News investigations are wrecking credibility of these schools: Stay Away!

*Consumer Suggestion: WHY ARE CEC OFFICIALS CLOGGING RIPOFFREPORT.COM?(THIS IS DEPLORABLE BEHAVIOR)

*Consumer Comment: I must disagree

*Consumer Suggestion: No CTU Employee Here

*Consumer Suggestion: It is dishonest that CEC representatives clog ripoffreport with rebutals of students that have serious reports.

*Consumer Suggestion: CEC - Why AIU and CTU officials and employees speak out

*Consumer Comment: Law School

*Consumer Suggestion: Why are CEC/AIU/CTU representatives on ripoffreport.com

*Consumer Suggestion: what reputable college has it's officials on ripoffreport.com clogging stoires??? CEC schools are such a scam

*Consumer Suggestion: what reputable college has it's officials on ripoffreport.com clogging stoires??? CEC schools are such a scam

*Consumer Suggestion: what reputable college has it's officials on ripoffreport.com clogging stoires??? CEC schools are such a scam

*Consumer Suggestion: what reputable college has it's officials on ripoffreport.com clogging stoires??? CEC schools are such a scam

*Consumer Suggestion: The difference between AUI and CTU

*Consumer Suggestion: The difference between AUI and CTU

*Consumer Suggestion: The difference between AUI and CTU

*Consumer Suggestion: The difference between AUI and CTU

*Consumer Suggestion: AIU/CEC reprentatives are clogging ripoff report.com. Why are representatives on here?!?!?

*UPDATE Employee: Scorn employees

*Consumer Comment: All of these schools are regionally accredited and are NOT diploma mills....

*Consumer Suggestion: The bottom line is Regional Accredition for CTU.

*Consumer Suggestion: CEC representatives are clogging these rebutals on ripoffreport.com. CEC is in a lot of trouble and it's time to face the facts.

*Consumer Comment: AIU Grad and Loved It...

*UPDATE Employee: Current Employee and Student

*Consumer Comment: Raven

*REBUTTAL Individual responds: I still do not see anyone with a reasonable complaint

*UPDATE Employee: FYI to all

*UPDATE Employee: FYI to all

*UPDATE Employee: FYI to all

*UPDATE Employee: FYI to all

*Consumer Suggestion: looking at the big picture......

*UPDATE Employee: JUST GOT FIRED TODAY

*UPDATE Employee: JUST GOT FIRED TODAY

*UPDATE Employee: JUST GOT FIRED TODAY

*UPDATE Employee: JUST GOT FIRED TODAY

*Consumer Comment: GET A LIFE!!!

*UPDATE EX-employee responds: aiu

*UPDATE EX-employee responds: WHAT A BUNCH OF LOSERS

*UPDATE EX-employee responds: WHAT A BUNCH OF LOSERS

*Consumer Comment: Current Consumer

*UPDATE EX-employee responds: you have no idea what youre talking about

*UPDATE EX-employee responds: Personal experience

*Consumer Comment: For Profit vs Non Profit and Online college postings

*Consumer Suggestion: Get Over It

*UPDATE EX-employee responds: carlos cec is not aiu

*Author of original report: enough is enough

*Author of original report: enough is enough

*Consumer Comment: Lack of Tests

*Consumer Comment: Lack of Tests

*Consumer Comment: Lack of Tests

*Consumer Comment: Lack of Tests

*UPDATE EX-employee responds: Been there and read it

*Consumer Comment: Enough now....

*UPDATE EX-employee responds: carlos close but not so fast

*Consumer Comment: GO CARLOS!!

*UPDATE Employee: To the all-knowing Beth

*Consumer Suggestion: AIU AND CTU

*Consumer Comment: PLEASE BETH!!

*Consumer Suggestion: Please Beth!

*Consumer Comment: ONLINE CLASSES AND TEST

*UPDATE EX-employee responds: Tests

*UPDATE EX-employee responds: Tests

*UPDATE EX-employee responds: Tests

*UPDATE EX-employee responds: Okay Nadine

*UPDATE EX-employee responds: Because

*UPDATE EX-employee responds: Because

*UPDATE EX-employee responds: Because

*UPDATE EX-employee responds: Because

*Consumer Suggestion: Regionally accredited

*UPDATE Employee: Every experience is different

*UPDATE EX-employee responds: Script for those who would like to read it

*UPDATE EX-employee responds: Sure It is

*Consumer Comment: AIU Online is GREAT!!

*Consumer Suggestion: Doesnt make sense Stan

*Consumer Suggestion: Doesnt make sense Stan

*Consumer Suggestion: Doesnt make sense Stan

*Consumer Suggestion: Doesnt make sense Stan

*Consumer Comment: Employer sponsored student tells it like it is...

*Consumer Comment: Facing reality..

*Consumer Comment: Pros and cons

*UPDATE EX-employee responds: Nadine something is seriously wrong with you...

*Consumer Comment: Same bla bla bla.

*Consumer Comment: Current Student Testimonial

*Consumer Comment: Aiu credibility questions

*Consumer Suggestion: Excuse Me!!

*UPDATE Employee: I Hope this helps shed some light...

*Consumer Suggestion: I need to answer this threat.

*UPDATE Employee: Reality

*Consumer Comment: Calling all idiots!!!

*Consumer Comment: Wish I had seen this sooner!

*Consumer Comment: Wish I had seen this sooner!

*Consumer Comment: Wish I had seen this sooner!

*Consumer Comment: Quit kidding yourselves

*UPDATE Employee: You get out what you put in.

*Consumer Comment: Not a rip off

*UPDATE EX-employee responds: Nadine Good for you!

*Consumer Comment: no employment to advance in my field of study...

*Consumer Suggestion: Criminal Justice jobs and AIU

*Consumer Comment: Unbelievable and very confusing to say the least

*UPDATE Employee: Its not the right place for all

*Consumer Comment: SASCOC Disclosure Statement

*UPDATE Employee: Please get your facts straight

*Consumer Comment: Rebuttal and Success from AIU On-line Degree

*UPDATE EX-employee responds: Diploma Mill

*Consumer Comment: Much Ado About Nothing

*Consumer Comment: Former AIU student

*Consumer Comment: CTU Online as good as any online university

*Consumer Comment: Soon-to-be AIU student - Pleased!

*Consumer Comment: AIU Online Golden Experience

*Author of original report: STOP!!

*Consumer Comment: Caveat Emptor

*Consumer Comment: Caveat Emptor

*Consumer Comment: Caveat Emptor

*UPDATE Employee: Ex- Employee-Student

*UPDATE Employee: Ex- Employee-Student

*UPDATE Employee: Ex- Employee-Student

*UPDATE Employee: Ex- Employee-Student

*Consumer Comment: Colorado Technical University not a degree mill

*Consumer Comment: I am a graduate of AIU

*Consumer Comment: Online Value

*UPDATE EX-employee responds: Hope your success continues

*Consumer Comment: Sorry for your accident

*Consumer Comment: Not discounting the wrong

*Consumer Comment: agree with the ex employee

*Consumer Comment: Get over it.

*Consumer Comment: Get over it.

*Consumer Comment: Get over it.

*Consumer Comment: Get over it.

*Consumer Comment: Let's be real homey

*UPDATE Employee: First off...

*Consumer Comment: FYI...rubtle is spelled REBUTTAL

*Consumer Comment: FYI...rubtle is spelled REBUTTAL

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I am writing this complaint about CEC corporation which is the parent company of AIU, CTU, and many other for profit universities. I am was an admissions advisor at CTU for a year, and i am writing this because in the rebutle section i am actually reading positive remarks from current students. In the year i was employed their i have only heard complaints from students. It is my belief that all these positive rebuttals are from fake students and are actually employees of CTU and AIU, trying to combat the truth. Online education is the biggest scam of the 21st century. The sad truth is that these poor fools sign up for a chop shop degree and end up being 50,000 dollars in debt, with no employer actually valuing the degree. Would you hire someone who didn't have to take a test to graduate college?...CTU and AIU trick candidates into thinking it is hard to get in, when in reality everyone with 50 bucks and the "desire, interest and motivation" should have the chance to go to school. They feel this way because the school gets paid upfront, through federal loan dollars, they don't care if students finish and actually graduate. Students have to pay the government back, not the school, so why wouldn't they let every student in. In reality these schools are only using students for their loan money, and even students who do graduate will be blind sided to see their degree isn't worth the paper it was printed on.

Dirc
chicago, Illinois
U.S.A.

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#1 Consumer Comment

AIU Is Not A Ripoff

AUTHOR: Donna - (United States of America)

I recently attended AIU American Intercontinental University for 14 months and acquired my AABA in Medical Billing/Coding. Never once have I had an issue with this University. The staff and instructors are always professional, and always quick to return my calls and answer any questions I have had. They also helped me a great deal in obtaining grants and student aid. I would say they went beyond the call of duty to make sure I was taken care of. AIU is an accredited university. Please check your facts before you believe one disgruntled student who apparentally did not do what was required. Again, AIU and my fellow students there have been nothing but professional, helpful, and affordable. I am a REAL student, not fake. I seriously doubt you instructed there, otherwise, you would know that your word "rebutle" is properly spelled REBUTTAL. Seriously. Go back to school and learn how to spell.
Best regards,
Donna
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#2 Consumer Comment

Very happy AIU Student

AUTHOR: Carlisle, Ar. - (United States of America)

I am a current student at AIU, I do not work for them nor am I paid to write a rebuttal for AIU or anyone else. I am studying for my Bachelors Degree in Accounting at AIU. I have my Associates Degree from AIU and if you don't want people responding to your statements, then don't write them in the first place. It just sounds like you are a disgruntaled employee who is angry at them. 

I'm sorry you feel this way. When I contacted AIU, I didn't get the script you keep talking about and they didn't make it sound like I couldn't accepted. I had to take a test to get in. They did want to see where I was with my education, just like other brick and mortar colleges I went to in the past. I, personally, have nothing but good things to say about the university. The assignments are very challenging. I have a very good GPA that I have worked my bottom off to get.

Like I said, I don't know what your problem is with AIU, but they have been completely honest with me and the instructors are wonderful. I think it is a great place to get a degree, and trust me when I say that the degrees aren't just handed to you, you really have to work very hard and spend a lot of time doing research and writing papers and all of the usual classroom stuff. I would recommend AIU to all of my family and friends, that's the type of experience I have had thus far.

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#3 Consumer Comment

come on now!

AUTHOR: Manny - (U.S.A.)

I just wanted to chime in on this discussion...why does the person have to be lying?

I am a graduate of AIU Online...got an AABA...and an BIT...and like has been mentioned have been recruited on several occasions by other schools like NIU...SIU...and a few others...for the masters program.  At one point i was considering going into the law program at NIU...but decided to put my masters degree dreams on hold for now...not due to the credits not transfering...they will!  But due to wanting to build up job experience.

I too used to work at AIU about 6 or seven years ago and didn't like the whole quota thing...so I got my BIT...then quit and changed careers into IT.  Had no problems with my degree...it has infact opened more doors than closed them.  But like has been mentioned before...it's what you do with it that matters...a degree will not teach you everything you will need to learn about a prospective job...if that is your goal then you will be sadly disappointed any any program.  A degree is in my opinion intended to be a foundation from which to build.  Yes I have a Bachelors in IT, but I didn't stop there...I have most ntermediate industry certifications...and a working on advanced certifications to complement my education and experience.

Every few years I like to come on here and read the reports on how worthless my degree is...and I sit in my house...type replies like this on my flat screen and laugh to myself...thinking what i I never made the choice I made...and i'm thankful that I did...although I wish they would have had the networking degree when I attended.



Anywho...if you do the proper research on transfer credit...if you do the proper research on cost per credit...then you won't be surprised.  I wasn't...i'm happy with my degree, my employer is happy with my degree...I have no complaints thus far and its been 6 + years.  I think prospective students need to do their due dilligence not just on AIU but on any school you attend.  Like what was said earlier...its your money....its your time....its your education...don't let anyone crap on your dreams...and don't let anyone force you into or out of a life changing situation...it's your life, live it the way you want to.

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#4 Consumer Comment

RE Ryan

AUTHOR: MTG - (United States of America)

Hi, I am a student as well and previous posted before and I would have to disagree none of my work was graded easy and work hard for my grades. AIU is school I am attending and have 8 classes left. Yes I get A's but do the proper research.  Yes sometimes these instructors will have a typo but thats becuase they are human just like us.   The reason why I disagree is that if this school was a scam I would not be working for IBM today since Jan 2011. AIU is also a approved school that we can attend. Yes there tuition cost more but at same time so do other colleges. I highly doubt your getting straight As judging by your compliant; as far as FA its no different than anyother school; however always ask for supervisors as sometimes you might get someone new that may give incorrect information.  I do that with student accounts from time to time just to be sure. Also your student advisor should be helping you; if they are not ask for a new one - I did and I had the same advisor ever since 2009 till today.  I would recommend doing one class at time even though they discourage it; then again I am already working in my degree focus but doing one class at a time allows for additional research.  For example I just got first C grade and that was my own fault for rushing and forgetting to cite in my case most of that was due to messing up ER diagram and knew it did not look right when I had submitted. The point is I don't think As are easily given otherwise I would not recieved a C ( I knew I would be hit hard) I just had two entities reversed. If your money is running low sounds like you may of had to retake classes that or I mis-read that part (your GI Bill)..  I think AIU has made some great strides over the years and enjoy my school. 
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#5 Consumer Comment

AIU is garbage

AUTHOR: ryanst12 - (United States of America)

    I am currently a student at AIU and have been for 2 years now, they constantly give retards good grades for no reason and the professors do not give grades based on work. I can do 2 classes worth of school work which includes 2 1-5 page paers and 2 discussion boards of about 1 page each in less than 4 hours on a sunday and i am by no means a genius. They have a financial aid department that is retarded as all get out telling people it takes 3-5 weeks to approve an award letter and then taking another 2+ weeks to request payment from the institution they are seeking funds from. You can turn in almost anything to this school and get an A as most of the professors are handling 2-6 classes every 5 weeks and do not have the time to check all of the papers sent to them. Most people in all of the classes i have been in cannot spell or write a coherent sentence to save their lives. I currently have 5250 in gi bill money that is prepared and ready to send to the school but they cannot recieve the funds from the VA because they will not get off of their butts and request ayment from any of the financial institutions that owe them. If you want an easy as pie degree that will give you an A for any crap two second post you put ont heir webpage go for AIU they will hook you up. Just do not be surprised when the next job you try to get tells you that they think a degree from AIU is a joke and hires the guy behind or in front of you who has a degree from a brick and mortar school.
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#6 REBUTTAL Individual responds

My opinion

AUTHOR: John - (United States of America)

AUTHOR: Dirc - Chicago (U.S.A.) F!!!! U!!!!Online education is the future whether you like it or not.  Things like this would of course help get online education get to where it will eventually be but some of the things you stated made me want to knock you the f out.  Making these assumptions from dealing with less than 1% of the population makes you seem like an a ss.  We live in America and we are allowed to voice our opinions, ill say that you're a terrible person because you're making people feel like the education that they received was a joke when in reality you're a joke.  I hope you enjoy the rest of your terrible life and if I ever meet you in person rest assured you'll be laying face flat on the ground.  Making these accusations and pretending you know it all makes you look like a D ick.  I hope you sleep well at night knowing that you upset so many people just because of a grudge you have.  You're a negative person and we need fewer people like you in our world.  I wish the worst for you. 

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#7 General Comment

Students Perspective - AIU student and no I am real student call and find out

AUTHOR: MTG - (United States of America)

I understand that the university accepts anyone but thats no different than a community college really, their is nothing wrong with that for those that need that peice of paper and I do understand that they are over priced but thats no different than the over priced colleges either regardless of for profit or not. I meaning what are you saying that only certain kinds of people should attend college?


In the past AIU addmissions advisors were pushy and did make false promises and the same as far as I know was true with CTU since they are sister colleges. I know this to be true becuase I did experience it in 2005 and also noticed they had no true way of detecting cheats either then. However I withdrew in 2005 do to new baby which was same reason why I didn't go to college after high school as I also have a 19 year old. Now I had high ranking positions without a degree but now a days you need it.


I re entered AIU Feb 2009 now that my son is 4 now - I seen the law suit about how AIU promises help getting a job and all that and yes this was said in 2005 but not when I renetered they really are cleaning up their mistakes..


I also hear that the degree is worthless - but lets be honest here its not that peice of paper thats gets you that position its how you sold yourself to the pontential employer.  The degree is valid and the only obstical are those that are stuck on traditional methods becuase it wasn't conceivable when they were in school but much is changing - Most companies here in Iowa are taking these online degrees as valid such as Ashfords, Kaplin and even AIU's as long that its a accrediate school which they all are.  As time goes on more and more students will be doing school online and traditional colleges will follow suit as it is more cost effective for them.


In regards to some remarks to inadequet instructers you can find those in any college big or small.


I am a current student my student at AIU graduating this july I already have the position just got the degree to back up my own previous experience.


Most of these complaints I feel are more of students that didnt apply themselves and get others to do it for them or use these unethical sites that do it for them. Well thats on the student when they do that as it is I am being bugged all the time for help with assignments becuase the were not grasping I only point them to good resources or I ask them questions to where they figure it out on there own.


With any university you have to apply your self 150% just as you should at you job failing to get a job is more on you not the school...


I am a student and I am happy with AIU and impressed with some of the improvements.  I mean some of these complaints are just stupid... I am speaking not just as a Honor roll student but from 20 plus years in Management..


To be fair online schools are better for those that already have the background in what they are seeking at least till the rest will follow suit. however if you dont have good time management skills then online maynot be fore you. As far as this CTU guy sounds like he was unhappy with his job and wanted pay back...


 


Thanks


 


Michael

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#8 Consumer Comment

AIU Graduate

AUTHOR: Lasseterja - (U.S.A.)

 I responded to this post in January 2008 while researching Online Universities for a graduate degree in education.  After much research, I decided to attend AIU Online graduating in August 2009 with a Master's degree in Education with focus in Instructional Technology.  Other than a poor Financial Aid and Accounting department, the quality of education was on par with other universities that I've attended throughout a 23 year naval career. 

I have few items that dispel many of the allegations raised by disgruntled posters. 

1.  I graduated in August 2009 and was accepted by Old Dominion University and Regent University doctoral programs.  I decided on Regent University for the spring of 2010.  I can state without reservation that AIU properly prepared me for doctoral work.  If the AIU degree was worthless, then I would have not been accepted to these Universities.  Additionally, I was also accepted by George Washington University and NOVA Southeast but never seriously considered these two.

2.  I used to work with General Dynamics as a Training Specialist and since obtaining my Master's degree, I have received a promotion along with many job offers from many employers seeking my experience and educational credentials.  I recently accepted a GS-13/14 position as an Instructional Systems Specialist.  This would have not been possible if my degree was indeed worthless either by fortune 500 companies or the Department of Defense. 

3.  My tuition was paid for in part by the MGIB and employer reimbursement.  I find it hard to believe that an employer would pay for coursework if they viewed it as worthless.   General Dynamics is a large defense contractor much like Boeing, Lockheed, Sikorsky, etc.  Each of these firms recognizes AIU degrees and offer tuition reimbursement.

4.  I'm a 23 year naval veteran and graduate of AIU.  Any attempts by some to label any positive comments as anything other are just indicative of their own distrust. 

Lastly, I would recommend AIU to any working professional seeking to enhance their resume and upward progression.  These posts that allege AIU is not accredited or offer worthless degrees are not based on facts and only harm the reputations of the many thousands of alumni, current students and instructors of AIU.  I'm a 23 year naval veteran and graduate of AIU.  My educational experience at AIU has certainly led to better career opportunities and significantly enhanced my professional growth. 

 

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#9 UPDATE EX-employee responds

Boeing laughed at your AIU degree?

AUTHOR: M. N. - (USA)


To J in Springfield: BOEING happens to be an Educational Partner with AIU, so I can't imagine BOEING would, on one hand, lead employees to pursue degrees with AIU, then turn around and laugh at it. Case in point, a simple search turned up a LinkedIn profile of a Boeing employee (Supply Chain Analyst) who got his MBA with AIU Online. Do a search for "boeing and aiu online" and you will see.

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#10 Consumer Comment

Proof is in the doing...

AUTHOR: J - (U.S.A.)

You can read all of these so called complaints and rebuttals and not know if they are true or false.


If you want to know the truth, just try and do two things....


1. Transfer your AIU education to a brick and mortar school.


2. Get a job with a Fortune 500 company who checks degrees.


 


I have done both and got laughed at.  My BS (and I do mean BS) degree would not transfer to the masters program for 4 different brick and mortar schools.  They do not recognize AIU as a legitimate degree.


I tried to get hired by BOEING, and they said I do not have a legitimate degree.


 


Theres your proof.

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#11 UPDATE EX-employee responds

The truth

AUTHOR: anonymous - (United States of America)

I am an ex employee of the company, and yes I was "fired" for not enrolling enough students my last month there.  I put fired in quotes because 98% of the advisors hired there are done so through a temporary agency.  This made us all very disposable if we missed our numbers.  In fact, I was the last person from my training class at my site after about 5 months of working there (at the time there were new training classes coming in about every 2 weeks at the time).  I am not a bitter employee, I was actually quite glad to be gone.  I wish I could have stuck around awhile longer to make some more money before I start grad school in the fall, but it didn't work out that way.  Anyways, here is my honest opinion of the AIU:

The Good: The professors are legitimate.  The programs are good for someone looking for a degree in the field that they are already working.  If you are looking for a promotion, but lack a degree, this is a fine school to go to.  The online campus is easy to navigate, you can learn a lot from the scenario based papers that are given as assignments each week.

The bad: The bad comes more from the admissions side then the academic.  I found the entire practice of working there very deceptive to potential students.  A lot of the programs there are disguised as something they really aren't.  For example, if I was talking to a high school graduate who was interested in criminal justice, I would recommend starting off in an Associate's of Arts in Business Administration with a concentration in criminal justice (All of the associates were in business administration with concentrations in other things such as medical billing, or accounting).  If a student wanted to be an accountant and had an associates degree, I would recommend a Bachelor of Business Administration with a concentration in Accounting.  With this came my moral dilemna.  When you start working here, they don't give you a lot of useful information on the degree programs and its very "learn as you go."  When you start they tell you, "Don't be nervous if you don't know what your talking about, the prospective student doesn't know that."  After a couple of months I started putting myself in the student's position.  I would ask my self if I was on the other end of the phone looking to be an accountant, would I want a bachelors of business admin with a concentration in accounting?  So I started treating the job like it is titled.  I advised students.  The problem is, apparently you have to be misleading to succeed. 

The ugly:  In my last month there we learned a new style of recruiting.  In this style, we were supposed to talk to the students for at least 20 mins without even mentioning the school, or academics in anyway.  We are supposed to learn about the student, and their goals.  Sounds great on the surface, but lets dig a little deeper.  What if the student's goals aren't a good fit for any of our programs?  Answer: Talk them into something that school does offer as an alternative route to their goals (and by alternative I mean unnecessary, and will probably put the student at a disadvantage).  Not to mention, the main purpose for this method of recruiting was to use personal information about prospective students in any way possible to enroll them and keep them from dropping (kids, debt, etc). 
To continue with the misleading, we would set meeting times with our director of admissions to discus the students enrollment.  Well these meeting times were never actually set. They happened whenever the student finished the paperwork and paid the fifty dollars.  The paper students have to write for admission has to be 7 sentences.  By 7 sentences I mean have 7 punctuation marks.  They don't have to be capitalized, grammatically correct, or even close.  They can say literally anything.  I have never seen anyone rejected that paid the fifty dollars, and wrote the 8 sentences.  I don't care that the school wasn't at all selective.  As a matter of fact, I like that it was open enrollment to give everyone a chance.  The actual school work will weed out the people that can't cut it. 
Honestly, I never thought I would write this much, and there is much more I could say about misleading and other things (finances was one I was going to mention as well, just know that if you do not have an associate's degree, a bachelor's degree is not just the $30,000+, but it is the price of the associate's price + the 30,000 the bachelors costs), but I have been writing long enough.

I am an ex-employee.  I am not bitter about anything, and everything I have said is true.  If you think I am angry because I just couldn't cut it there then your half right.  I'm not angry, but  I couldn't cut it there.  That type of sales environment is not for me.  I felt like a telemarketer constantly calling people that were obviously dodging my calls, and I could not mislead people about something as important as education, even to keep my job for another month.  I know that this type of sales is not for me.  I am just stressing these points so that the people who read this will know that I am telling the truth.  It is my personal belief that the programs can be beneficial to a lot of people, but the admissions process is creating more problems for people than "changing their lives" (which is what management would like to call potential enrollments to make advisors feel like they were making a difference and motivate them to enroll).  So if there are any potential students who are reading this review, look at the school with an open mind.  Review the programs online and see if one is for you.  Have questions ready for an advisor and ask them.  Just know that requesting information having done no research is what the school wants you to do, and is not what is best for yourself.  They want you to make a quick decision on enrollment based on feelings and emotions advisors will bring out of you by asking in depth questions about career and family.   Research, inform yourself, and make a decision on the best school.  Use these "advisors" as a tool to answer questions you can't find answers too, instead of letting them sell to you based on a half hour conversation about your life where you will actually learn very little about the school itself unless you ask questions.   
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#12 Consumer Comment

Kudos to John

AUTHOR: miggy - (United States of America)

I know that this report was almost four years ago, however, I wanted to reply.
did you know that I can tell you everything that goes on at Tyson Foods. This is food that your family eats, and mine, and I can tell you some stuff that will turn your stomach? I hated working there, and i could tell you some stuff that you wouldn't believe. I was unfairly fired, and have been on unemployment for over a year.. however, my point is, when you get fired or leave a job you dont like, you are more likely to bash the place than anything. You are going to tell people that this happened and this happened.. well, most EX employees were fired because they couldn't hack it! how many jobs have they had since AIU or Ctu? exactly! anyway, i am going to AIU, and I like it. love it is a little harsh, but the only problems that i have are with the lazy students and the dumasses (spelled like that for a reason) that I have to work with in the Group projects, out of all the classes that i have taken, I have only had one teacher that didn't know her head from her shoe.. but I still Aced the class.. it is hard work, because you have to read so much, the only "complaint" i have about AIU is that I dont like online books.. I would rather have a hard copy. I can't wait to get my degree in four months.. well, three now.. and then my bachelors starts the day after graduation! so Im ready. I wanted to place Kudos to john for standing up as an employee for AIU. My Admissions advisor is great! he bends over backwards for me, and calls and checks on me.. so to all of you naysayers! get a real job.. stop stealing ours.. and get an education.. might I suggest AIU? LOL
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#13 General Comment

AIU is a vaild accredited university

AUTHOR: myview.blogtoolkit.com - (USA)

I would disagree, because this school has made much improvement over the years. each of their classes are just as tough as any other traditional colleges. Professors are highly professional that when one disagrees with a point of view debate is encouraged without fear of being graded on their beliefs and not the quality. The same can not be said for a traditional college where professors will actually fail a student for having a different political view.

What about the people who were unable to attend a traditional college, Onlines schools such as AIU and many others are way to achieve that. I beilieve companies that discriminate against online schools are just upset that it wasn't around when they attened college.

For the students who feel they got ripped off they were most like the type to utilized sites like justanswer.com to do there work for them. That is one them not the school. However that doesn't the same issues don't exists in traditional universities they do they just don't get posted all over the place when they fail because of there own lack of effort.

I attend this college and I work hard for my GPA and it doesn't come easy, most of which is because I already have 20 plus years experience in Management and I am able to use that same experience in the classroom. The only reason why I am in school is because now a days they need that peice of paper. I can tell you this much I can do circle around those Managers just out of school..
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#14

it's not a scam

AUTHOR: x3brose08 - (USA)

Colorado Tech Online is accredited by North Central Association of Colleges and Schools, The Higher Learning Commission

Ohio State University is also accredited by North Central Association of Colleges and Schools, The Higher Learning Commission

Ohio State is definitely not a scam and they are accredited by the same association as Colorado Tech; so this leads me to believe and know that Colorado Tech is not a scam.

Thanks!!!!

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#15 Consumer Comment

AIU graduate

AUTHOR: Jb - (U.S.A.)

It is interesting to read all the comments about AIU. I cannot respond about the requirements of being an employee of AIU, because I have never been. I did graduate from AIU in December of 2006, and I can tell you that my experiences were all positive. I, as many others have stated, EARNED my degree through a lot of work. My experiences with employees of AIU were all pleasant. Was it expensive? Yes, but I was able to get a new job making $25,000 more per year than I had ever had before--because I had the degree. All my employer cared about was that the degree was from a regionally accredited institution--which AIU is (SACS/COC). I am now in a Masters program at another university, which is a bricks and mortar college with an online program. The main reason I chose this current program is because it is more affordable. That cost is the only issue I had with AIU, but I knew going in what it would cost me and I made a conscious decision to go anyway, and I don't regret it.

I don't know how to prove I am not an employee of AIU, but I can assure you I am not. I have never even seen this particular site before, and only found it while doing a websearch to help my daughter try to find a job as an online instructor. After reading some of the comments, I became somewhat incensed with the suggestion that AIU is a diploma mill. For that much money, I should have received three or four degrees in a fraction of the time from a diploma mill! Does AIU have some questionable business tactics? I don't know--if they do, I didn't experience any.

Can some people have a bad experience with an entity while others don't? Sure, and that apparently is the case here. Some people seem to have problems, others seem to be like me and be pretty happy with AIU. Each has a right to their own opinion--but don't let your negative outlook and opinion cause you to question the validity of something that others did which turned out positive for them.

For those who want to complete a degree in the quickest possible time, but with a lot of work and a pretty high price tag, AIU is not a bad choice. There are plenty of other online programs as well, and many are good. Good luck, which ever option you pursue!
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#16 Consumer Comment

Rebuttal to AIU rip off--I think its a great school!

AUTHOR: Dj - (U.S.A.)

I've spoken to several advisers at AIU. They are always there when I need help with my classes or if I have an issue with just about anything course or university related. I did do some investigation of AIU before I made my choice to go here. Some of the negative comments are regards to the following:

1. It is a for-profit university, however I have never been so amazed or satisfied with a school. I don't know of any university that doesn't want to make a profit. I've gone to a few land based schools one was Clemson University and the other was Georgia Tech and the other was Greenville technical college for summer courses; I and don't remember being treated as well as I'm treated here.

2. the financial aid department was very up front with my expectations and they were very helpful in me understanding my documents. I had problems finding my tax information and they were able to help me get a new copy of my w-2's. It was very low stress. They did not try to charge me for going through the FA process.

When I went to Clemson and Georgia tech's land campuses I had to stand in line at the financial aid office or in line to get to the office for 2-3 hours before I could speak to some one.

3. There is an application fee of 50 dollars. I did my research on that also and almost every University that's worth its weight in anything has an application fee. I think a person should be willing to invest in there education. When I asked about the application fee I did not realize that AIU pay's for my transcripts to be sent to the university and there are several people that review my transcripts and my financial and credentials. They told me that it cost money to do those things and that if an applicant is not serious then they would be wasting both money and time. I'd say that 50 bucks was reasonable. When I did my search some of the other universities were charging 65, 75, and even a 100+ dollars for application fees.

4. The Admission Advisers are not paid commission at AIU. I reviewed their regional accreditation and it is against the Southern Association's by laws for admissions to get commissions from students. I don't know who accredits CTU.

5. They let anyone into the school even people without highschool. Not true. One of my class mates could not provide evidence that she graduated high school and they kicked her out completely. The application requires you to sign a high school verification form stating you graduated. I asked my professor about it and he could not comment "due to HIPPA" requirements about another student, but at least I know that the system can not be circumvented. Its clearly stated in my course catalog.

6. You most definitely have to put in time to study. Just like Clemson and Georgia tech AIU weeds out a lot of the students that don't put in the time. Especially at my level.

Overall I am satisfied with my professors here. I work full time and I'm not able to go to campus school. I did not like the university of phoenix's advisers as much. They seemed very pushy and less helpful. AIU advisers seemed more inspirational to me and more genuine.

I'm am sorry that you feel like your cec company did not treat you well. That sucks if you were stuck in a job you did not like. "With that outlook I don't think you would ever be an effective employee at my job either. With you being so negative towards the university and everything I don't understand why you worked there for so long if they were really so bad? With such a poor attitude and outlook I'm sure they must have fired you? If so you should do something you love. And not just work for a paycheck.
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#17 Consumer Comment

Recently graduated AIU with BSCJ

AUTHOR: Rs525 - (U.S.A.)

Unfortunately, most of AIU complaints on Ripoff Report have no substance. If you say AIU is horrible, please give some evidence other than opinion (e.g. saying the school is horrible because the admissions dept. is not up to par). Just because you are angry with how one thing worked with AIU does not make AIU a scam.

First off, the education at AIU is great. The teachers are experienced and know what they're doing and will help you out as much as possible. I only had one teacher that I felt was not right for "the job".

Secondly, AIU Online is a branch off of AIU's other universities. I would check up on the success of the other universities in Los Angeles, FL, London, and more to get a better feel of what AIU Online could be like.

Thirdly, AIU Online is regionally accredited. Rumors have been swarming about them losing their accreditation but I have never seen a rumor that was substantial.

Financial Aid with AIU Online seems to be tricky. My husband who attended a traditional university has numerously said how AIU seems to be more confusing when it comes to aid than his ever was. I would suggest prospective students to ask many questions concerning financial aid, school loans, what and when they need to pay back, etc.

AIU Online is rated one of the top online schools nationwide. They are also recommended by different organizations. There are many great testimonials from former AIU Online graduates. The list goes on.

Unfortunately, the internet makes companies and products look worse than they usually are. People tend to file reports if they are dissatisfied rather than when they ARE satisfied, so complaints usually outweigh compliments on the internet.
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#18 Consumer Comment

Recently graduated AIU with BSCJ

AUTHOR: Rs525 - (U.S.A.)

Unfortunately, most of AIU complaints on Ripoff Report have no substance. If you say AIU is horrible, please give some evidence other than opinion (e.g. saying the school is horrible because the admissions dept. is not up to par). Just because you are angry with how one thing worked with AIU does not make AIU a scam.

First off, the education at AIU is great. The teachers are experienced and know what they're doing and will help you out as much as possible. I only had one teacher that I felt was not right for "the job".

Secondly, AIU Online is a branch off of AIU's other universities. I would check up on the success of the other universities in Los Angeles, FL, London, and more to get a better feel of what AIU Online could be like.

Thirdly, AIU Online is regionally accredited. Rumors have been swarming about them losing their accreditation but I have never seen a rumor that was substantial.

Financial Aid with AIU Online seems to be tricky. My husband who attended a traditional university has numerously said how AIU seems to be more confusing when it comes to aid than his ever was. I would suggest prospective students to ask many questions concerning financial aid, school loans, what and when they need to pay back, etc.

AIU Online is rated one of the top online schools nationwide. They are also recommended by different organizations. There are many great testimonials from former AIU Online graduates. The list goes on.

Unfortunately, the internet makes companies and products look worse than they usually are. People tend to file reports if they are dissatisfied rather than when they ARE satisfied, so complaints usually outweigh compliments on the internet.
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#19 Consumer Comment

Recently graduated AIU with BSCJ

AUTHOR: Rs525 - (U.S.A.)

Unfortunately, most of AIU complaints on Ripoff Report have no substance. If you say AIU is horrible, please give some evidence other than opinion (e.g. saying the school is horrible because the admissions dept. is not up to par). Just because you are angry with how one thing worked with AIU does not make AIU a scam.

First off, the education at AIU is great. The teachers are experienced and know what they're doing and will help you out as much as possible. I only had one teacher that I felt was not right for "the job".

Secondly, AIU Online is a branch off of AIU's other universities. I would check up on the success of the other universities in Los Angeles, FL, London, and more to get a better feel of what AIU Online could be like.

Thirdly, AIU Online is regionally accredited. Rumors have been swarming about them losing their accreditation but I have never seen a rumor that was substantial.

Financial Aid with AIU Online seems to be tricky. My husband who attended a traditional university has numerously said how AIU seems to be more confusing when it comes to aid than his ever was. I would suggest prospective students to ask many questions concerning financial aid, school loans, what and when they need to pay back, etc.

AIU Online is rated one of the top online schools nationwide. They are also recommended by different organizations. There are many great testimonials from former AIU Online graduates. The list goes on.

Unfortunately, the internet makes companies and products look worse than they usually are. People tend to file reports if they are dissatisfied rather than when they ARE satisfied, so complaints usually outweigh compliments on the internet.
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#20 Consumer Comment

CTU is a respectable and accredited school of higher education

AUTHOR: C Mccullough - (U.S.A.)

I am a graduate of Colorado Technical University with a B.S. in Project Management. First of all, I enjoyed my time at CTU and have since enjoyed the opportunities that have opened up to me since my graduation. Because of my degree, I am now working as a junior project manager for a large, well known global engineering and project management firms on one of the largest projects of its type.

Adding to that, I am also currently pursuing my graduate degree at one of the top universities in the nation. I'm sure that if CTU was indeed a rip-off as stated before, then perhaps I would not have been accepted into my current graduate program.
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#21 Consumer Comment

AIU is Regionally accredited and is a GREAT school.

AUTHOR: Jw2008 - (U.S.A.)

I have read several negative comments about AIU online, This is ridiculous! The comments all come from people who quit going to school (including AIU), never went to the school or is a ex-grunt led employee of the school. AIU is a great school, AIU participates in the Federal student aid programs, is regionally accredited by the SACS also known as the Southern Association of Colleges and Schools, In addition, The University is currently migrating the Accreditation to the Higher learning commission of North Central Association of Schools and Colleges as well as having SEVERAL campuses worldwide (Atlanta, Houston, Florida, London etc.). AIU was founded in Georgia, and has been there for many years. Now however, students that are enrolled there also enroll online. There are currently approx over 184 online accredited colleges and universities now have strictly online schools. See http://www.elearners.com/colleges/?tsource=it&tid=68147.

So are ALL these colleges ripoffs? Including the Government? I don't think there is such mass conspiracy. I think only individual bias and excuses for not continuing your education or staying employed at a particular company. The sad thing is that people are reading (and believing) these unfounded, personal bias "Ripoff" stories and not continuing their education as the should. The credits are transferable to any College of your choice subject to college rules rules regarding transfer credits.


References:
http://www.fafsa.ed.gov/faq003.htm
https://mycampus.aiu-online.com/Schools/5/pdf/AIUAccreditationStudentLetter.pdf
http://www.aiuonline.edu/
http://www.elearners.com/colleges/?tsource=it&tid=68147
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#22 UPDATE Employee

Disgruntled Employee?

AUTHOR: Jenni - (U.S.A.)

Poor Dirc, I am assuming that if you only heard complaints from students that you were not doing your job. This, I assume, is why you dont work there anymore. I have worked for a CEC school for over 5 years now and I resent your uneducated and bitter comments. The curriculum at these schools is not only grueling (I am a graduate, I know how they work) but it is Regionally Accredited by the Southern Association of Colleges and Schools. This accreditation is not easy to come by and is well earned. I have many satisfied, educated wonderful graduates who I am very proud of. They are working in their field of study and have marked improvements in their lives and the lives of their families. It saddens me that you do not see the value of education and that you feel the need to post such warped perceptions of what these schools are all about. Had you done your job correctly, you would have gotten the cards and letters from your students thanking you for your care and direction. Maybe the complaints were not about the school but instead maybe about your service. Something to think about...
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#23 Consumer Comment

What a Waste of Time!!

AUTHOR: Guy - (U.S.A.)

First of all, before I get into the "meat" of my comments, I just want to make it understood that I am NOT an employee or former employee of CEC or any of their subordinate companies and/or "for-profit" universities. I AM a graduate of the CTU BSCJ program, summa c*m laude with a 4.0 GPA. I am currently working in the criminal justice field, which I was not when I first enrolled at CTU. If I am not yet making full use of my degree, it is NOT the fault of the granting authority; rather it is because the opportunity for advancement into a position that requires my degree has not yet presented itself. I am perfectly satisfied with my job, and while I may not be making six figures a year, I was never promised such a salary by anyone I talked to at CTU, nor did I have any unrealistic expectations of such riches when I enrolled.

Now, to my comments:

I have read many, many rebuttals on this thread that are purportedly from employees and ex-employees of CEC, AIU, CTU, etc. Some of them are very derogatory, while others are aimed at debunking those who would make bad comments about those institutions and companies. Many of you who, like me, were directed here by a search engine and were merely interested in seeing what kind of comments might be posted about one of the schools are probably just as confused and angry as I was when I read through the first few submissions. But as I continued to scroll through, I noticed that so many of the comments were repetitive and also that there was absolutely NO chance of gaining any real truth from any of them. This realization is what prompted me to respond to this thread.

First of all, for you out there who may be contemplating attempting an online degree program-- There is absolutely no difference in the level of commitment you will need to pursue such a course of study between an online university and a brick-and-mortar school. Regardless of which course you choose, you must still perform the same steps and make the same financial, emotional, and physical sacrifices if you want to succeed. The only real question you need to ask yourself is which type of program will work best for you and your schedule?

Secondly, accredidation IS an important factor in choosing a school, but do not think that all online universities are "diploma mills", anymore than you should believe that all brick-and-mortar schools are legitimate. Many legitimate online programs exist, and quite a few are sponsored by highly regarded brick-and-mortar colleges and universities.

Thirdly, I did my research prior to committing to CTU, and turned down four other online programs because I was not satisfied with the accrediting authorities they quoted me. To be honest, even if I had been satisfied I would have turned down a couple of them, because their "admissions advisors" DID use a "hard-sell" technique that I found distasteful. I chose CTU not only because I was satisfied with what I found out from independent research on their authenticity, but because at no time did I feel "pressured" to agree to enrolling. I suggest that anyone out there who says they WERE pressured probably did not really have the internal desire to get their degree in the first place. You have to be somewhat unconvinced in what you are planning for any sort of pressure to be applied to convince you.

Finally, to those of you who turn up your noses at "for-profit" learning institutions; tell me one single college or university out there that does not operate on a "for-profit" basis in some facet of their operations. Granted, state universities receive money from their home governments, as well as funds from alumni associations and other fund-raising organs. But if these universities were truly dedicated to providing everyone a quality education, they would not charge tuition or sell books and other supplies through their own bookstores, and anyone who met their admission standards could attend for free. If anything, these institutions NEED more money to defray the costs associated with their buildings, grounds, football stadiums, labs, dormitories and other student housing, and of course their high-powered faculty (which they advertise so effusively in their promotional literature). I chose the online route to my degree because I enjoyed the flexibilty of pace-oriented learning, and also because the overall cost was MUCH lower than what my local university was expecting me to pay.

The bottom line for a prospective student is just the same with one of these highly regarded centers of learning as it is for an online student-- you still will find yourself in debt, you will still not have ANY guarantee of a job in your chosen field, and you will STILL have to apply your desire and conviction to successfully complete a degree program. The grading and performance of the professors is just as spotty in well-known universities as it is in privately-owned online programs, which I can testify to from first-hand experience. My degree from an online university carries no less weight than one from a prestigious hall of learning, as long as I can perform the job that my employer expects me to. I know I will get an argument form those who equate a law degree from Harvard or a medical degree from Johns Hopkins with a larger salary, and that may be true in some circumstances. But I have yet to see an online Doctor of Laws or Doctor of Medicine program, and my degree from CTU can and will act as a springboard to postgraduate studies at any brick-and-mortar university or college I might choose to attend later.

In conclusion, I would just like to say that even though I found reading this entire diatribe to be a massive waste of productive time on my part, it was my choice to do so. And perhaps it wasn't such a waste, for it allowed me the opportunity to make these comments. My only regret is that this rebuttal will not be posted towards the top of this thread, which will mean that only the very dedicated will ever see it. I wish that everyone who truly has questions about online education in general, or AIU, CTU, or CEC specifically, could read this one first and save themselves the trouble of wading through all of the "he said, she said" garbage that most of this thread consists of.
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#24 Consumer Comment

I agree George...

AUTHOR: Online2008 - (U.S.A.)

I started my degree at UNH (brick and mortar school) and finished my Associates Degree at AIU Online, and plan to finish my Bachelor's Degree in 2009.

For those ex-employees/students of AIU who have so many complaints, I do have a few comments...

With most things in life, you get out of it what you put into it, and judging by the comments (and horrible grammar!) these are students who did not put forth the effort needed to obtain a valuable education. I have worked with students who care a great deal about their education and put forth the effort needed to get A's. On the other hand, I have worked with students who are looking for an easy degree' and think that online is the way to go. Not to mention, many brick and mortar schools offer classes online. If online classes were so bad, and did not provide the necessary education, why would Ivy League schools like Harvard offer online classes? I am quite sure they would cost far more than any AIU degree, so just imagine how much debt you would be in if you choose this route?!?!


If any Admissions Advisor thinks they are not in a sales role, think again. Anyone who has a clue about business (and yes, private universities are a BUSINESS) understands universities are FOR-PROFIT and you will find the same philosophy at any brick and mortar school's Admissions Office as well.


Having attended both types of schools (online/brick and mortar) I have a few things to say about the quality of education provided at AIU. You may not be required to take "multiple guess" tests; (which I do not think are very effective at judging what someone actually knows about a subject anyone can memorize, I want to know if you can actually APPLY what you have learned) however, you MUST be able to effectively write papers (that are not plagiarized, and verified by Turn-It-In). In addition, Turn-It-In is also used by numerous brick and mortar universities.

For those of you on this thread that do not know, AIU is no longer on probation, and has had its accreditation reinstated. For those of you that don't know what SACS Accreditation is or what it means, you may consider visiting http://www.sacscoc.org/searchResults.asp which shows AIU's Accreditation, along with other highly regarded schools such as Georgia Tech, the University of GA (where the GA Bulldogs play for those of you that do not know), to name a few. AIU is a GA BASED SCHOOL, and its accreditation is one that is widely accepted.

Too bad so many of you went into this degree program, or took jobs with misguided expectations. Hopefully, you will make better choices and know what questions to ask before you get yourself into something you cannot afford or do not want to do. If you do not want to work in sales, DO NOT become an Admissions Advisor at any school, online or brick and mortar.
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#25 Consumer Comment

I agree George...

AUTHOR: Online2008 - (U.S.A.)

I started my degree at UNH (brick and mortar school) and finished my Associates Degree at AIU Online, and plan to finish my Bachelor's Degree in 2009.

For those ex-employees/students of AIU who have so many complaints, I do have a few comments...

With most things in life, you get out of it what you put into it, and judging by the comments (and horrible grammar!) these are students who did not put forth the effort needed to obtain a valuable education. I have worked with students who care a great deal about their education and put forth the effort needed to get A's. On the other hand, I have worked with students who are looking for an easy degree' and think that online is the way to go. Not to mention, many brick and mortar schools offer classes online. If online classes were so bad, and did not provide the necessary education, why would Ivy League schools like Harvard offer online classes? I am quite sure they would cost far more than any AIU degree, so just imagine how much debt you would be in if you choose this route?!?!


If any Admissions Advisor thinks they are not in a sales role, think again. Anyone who has a clue about business (and yes, private universities are a BUSINESS) understands universities are FOR-PROFIT and you will find the same philosophy at any brick and mortar school's Admissions Office as well.


Having attended both types of schools (online/brick and mortar) I have a few things to say about the quality of education provided at AIU. You may not be required to take "multiple guess" tests; (which I do not think are very effective at judging what someone actually knows about a subject anyone can memorize, I want to know if you can actually APPLY what you have learned) however, you MUST be able to effectively write papers (that are not plagiarized, and verified by Turn-It-In). In addition, Turn-It-In is also used by numerous brick and mortar universities.

For those of you on this thread that do not know, AIU is no longer on probation, and has had its accreditation reinstated. For those of you that don't know what SACS Accreditation is or what it means, you may consider visiting http://www.sacscoc.org/searchResults.asp which shows AIU's Accreditation, along with other highly regarded schools such as Georgia Tech, the University of GA (where the GA Bulldogs play for those of you that do not know), to name a few. AIU is a GA BASED SCHOOL, and its accreditation is one that is widely accepted.

Too bad so many of you went into this degree program, or took jobs with misguided expectations. Hopefully, you will make better choices and know what questions to ask before you get yourself into something you cannot afford or do not want to do. If you do not want to work in sales, DO NOT become an Admissions Advisor at any school, online or brick and mortar.
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#26 Consumer Comment

I agree George...

AUTHOR: Online2008 - (U.S.A.)

I started my degree at UNH (brick and mortar school) and finished my Associates Degree at AIU Online, and plan to finish my Bachelor's Degree in 2009.

For those ex-employees/students of AIU who have so many complaints, I do have a few comments...

With most things in life, you get out of it what you put into it, and judging by the comments (and horrible grammar!) these are students who did not put forth the effort needed to obtain a valuable education. I have worked with students who care a great deal about their education and put forth the effort needed to get A's. On the other hand, I have worked with students who are looking for an easy degree' and think that online is the way to go. Not to mention, many brick and mortar schools offer classes online. If online classes were so bad, and did not provide the necessary education, why would Ivy League schools like Harvard offer online classes? I am quite sure they would cost far more than any AIU degree, so just imagine how much debt you would be in if you choose this route?!?!


If any Admissions Advisor thinks they are not in a sales role, think again. Anyone who has a clue about business (and yes, private universities are a BUSINESS) understands universities are FOR-PROFIT and you will find the same philosophy at any brick and mortar school's Admissions Office as well.


Having attended both types of schools (online/brick and mortar) I have a few things to say about the quality of education provided at AIU. You may not be required to take "multiple guess" tests; (which I do not think are very effective at judging what someone actually knows about a subject anyone can memorize, I want to know if you can actually APPLY what you have learned) however, you MUST be able to effectively write papers (that are not plagiarized, and verified by Turn-It-In). In addition, Turn-It-In is also used by numerous brick and mortar universities.

For those of you on this thread that do not know, AIU is no longer on probation, and has had its accreditation reinstated. For those of you that don't know what SACS Accreditation is or what it means, you may consider visiting http://www.sacscoc.org/searchResults.asp which shows AIU's Accreditation, along with other highly regarded schools such as Georgia Tech, the University of GA (where the GA Bulldogs play for those of you that do not know), to name a few. AIU is a GA BASED SCHOOL, and its accreditation is one that is widely accepted.

Too bad so many of you went into this degree program, or took jobs with misguided expectations. Hopefully, you will make better choices and know what questions to ask before you get yourself into something you cannot afford or do not want to do. If you do not want to work in sales, DO NOT become an Admissions Advisor at any school, online or brick and mortar.
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#27 Consumer Comment

I agree George...

AUTHOR: Online2008 - (U.S.A.)

I started my degree at UNH (brick and mortar school) and finished my Associates Degree at AIU Online, and plan to finish my Bachelor's Degree in 2009.

For those ex-employees/students of AIU who have so many complaints, I do have a few comments...

With most things in life, you get out of it what you put into it, and judging by the comments (and horrible grammar!) these are students who did not put forth the effort needed to obtain a valuable education. I have worked with students who care a great deal about their education and put forth the effort needed to get A's. On the other hand, I have worked with students who are looking for an easy degree' and think that online is the way to go. Not to mention, many brick and mortar schools offer classes online. If online classes were so bad, and did not provide the necessary education, why would Ivy League schools like Harvard offer online classes? I am quite sure they would cost far more than any AIU degree, so just imagine how much debt you would be in if you choose this route?!?!


If any Admissions Advisor thinks they are not in a sales role, think again. Anyone who has a clue about business (and yes, private universities are a BUSINESS) understands universities are FOR-PROFIT and you will find the same philosophy at any brick and mortar school's Admissions Office as well.


Having attended both types of schools (online/brick and mortar) I have a few things to say about the quality of education provided at AIU. You may not be required to take "multiple guess" tests; (which I do not think are very effective at judging what someone actually knows about a subject anyone can memorize, I want to know if you can actually APPLY what you have learned) however, you MUST be able to effectively write papers (that are not plagiarized, and verified by Turn-It-In). In addition, Turn-It-In is also used by numerous brick and mortar universities.

For those of you on this thread that do not know, AIU is no longer on probation, and has had its accreditation reinstated. For those of you that don't know what SACS Accreditation is or what it means, you may consider visiting http://www.sacscoc.org/searchResults.asp which shows AIU's Accreditation, along with other highly regarded schools such as Georgia Tech, the University of GA (where the GA Bulldogs play for those of you that do not know), to name a few. AIU is a GA BASED SCHOOL, and its accreditation is one that is widely accepted.

Too bad so many of you went into this degree program, or took jobs with misguided expectations. Hopefully, you will make better choices and know what questions to ask before you get yourself into something you cannot afford or do not want to do. If you do not want to work in sales, DO NOT become an Admissions Advisor at any school, online or brick and mortar.
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#28 Consumer Comment

AIU Online student

AUTHOR: George R - (U.S.A.)

Judging by your grammar, it looks to me like you left the school because you were not learning or did not want to learn. I graduated from AIU online with my Associate degree with honors and I am almost finished my Bachelors degree. I was challenged continuously at AIU and I am still being challenged. The courses are the same as going to a formal university except you are correct; you do not have to take a test to graduate. You are tested throughout each class on the assignments and studies you are required to complete.

However, why would I want to be more than $100,000 in debt if I attended a university such as UCLA, when I can be roughly half that and still attain an accredited degree from a formal university like UOP or AIU? Sounds to me like you were a student who was doing poorly and then ended up quitting your job because you did not like your grades. My advice to you is to enroll back in a formal college and take a grammar class.
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#29 Consumer Suggestion

CEO of IADT has reported some devestating news.

AUTHOR: Bryan Nicoletti - (U.S.A.)

IADT is a scam and Gary McCullough CEO of CEC which runs IADT hasn't even broken the news to the students about all this. These school are about to fall fast without Federal funding and the studenst should be made aware of it.

Link to all the info you need about CEC schools:
http://www.mcall.com/business/local/all-lvc.6239218jan23, 0, 4766838.story
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#30 Consumer Suggestion

Latest report about IADT and CEC schools: Not looking good

AUTHOR: Silverman - (U.S.A.)

Career Education's chief executive officer recently said that some schools could be shut down -- something known in the business as a ''teach-out.''

''Unfortunately, despite our best efforts, we could not find a suitable arrangement,'' CEO Gary E. McCullough told financial analysts during a conference call in November. ''We'll be considering alternatives including the continued operation of certain schools, conversion of one or more of our core brands, teach-outs, or the eventual sale of individual schools.''

Link:
http://www.mcall.com/business/local/all-lvc.6239218jan23,0,4766838.story

This report will go to show that IADT is in-fact in trouble and the troubles have only started.

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#31 Consumer Suggestion

These schools are in-fact scam schools. What schools has this many reports?!?

AUTHOR: Ryan Zilberman - (U.S.A.)

CEC schools are scam schools. Look and see how many reports these schools have here in this website and look up a reputatble school. the numbers are overwhelming. Nobody reports a good education, ever!

Visit the CEC Truth Advocate on myspace and facebook and see again for yourself.
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#32 Consumer Suggestion

These schools are in-fact scam schools

AUTHOR: Lauren - (U.S.A.)

CEC which owns AIU/IADT and many others is closing schools and selling others

AIU/IADT all CEC school Networks:

CEC which recently bought these institutions has large active investigations, numerous class actions lawsuits from investment companies, share holders, faculty, and it's own students. This is why they're selling and closing campuses as well as why their schools have been on probation.

Selling information:
~http://chronicle.com/news/article/2593/career-education-corp-will-close-3-colleges-it-has-tried-to-sell

~http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Academy_of_Design_and_Technology

This is why people are removing themselves: Pg 4 & pg 5
http://www.secinfo.com/dRSm6.v1bd.htm

These groups help explain CEC:
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=5604847490

http://www.facebook.com/s.php?n=-1&k=200000010&q=CEC+truth

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#33 Consumer Suggestion

These schools are in-fact scam schools

AUTHOR: Lauren - (U.S.A.)

CEC which owns AIU/IADT and many others is closing schools and selling others

AIU/IADT all CEC school Networks:

CEC which recently bought these institutions has large active investigations, numerous class actions lawsuits from investment companies, share holders, faculty, and it's own students. This is why they're selling and closing campuses as well as why their schools have been on probation.

Selling information:
~http://chronicle.com/news/article/2593/career-education-corp-will-close-3-colleges-it-has-tried-to-sell

~http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Academy_of_Design_and_Technology

This is why people are removing themselves: Pg 4 & pg 5
http://www.secinfo.com/dRSm6.v1bd.htm

These groups help explain CEC:
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=5604847490

http://www.facebook.com/s.php?n=-1&k=200000010&q=CEC+truth

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#34 Consumer Suggestion

These schools are in-fact scam schools

AUTHOR: Lauren - (U.S.A.)

CEC which owns AIU/IADT and many others is closing schools and selling others

AIU/IADT all CEC school Networks:

CEC which recently bought these institutions has large active investigations, numerous class actions lawsuits from investment companies, share holders, faculty, and it's own students. This is why they're selling and closing campuses as well as why their schools have been on probation.

Selling information:
~http://chronicle.com/news/article/2593/career-education-corp-will-close-3-colleges-it-has-tried-to-sell

~http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Academy_of_Design_and_Technology

This is why people are removing themselves: Pg 4 & pg 5
http://www.secinfo.com/dRSm6.v1bd.htm

These groups help explain CEC:
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=5604847490

http://www.facebook.com/s.php?n=-1&k=200000010&q=CEC+truth

----- CEC should tell you this information ----
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#35 Consumer Comment

AIU and other Online Universities are not Rip Offs

AUTHOR: Lasseterja - (U.S.A.)

AIU Online has a fairly large following among working adults. While spending 23 years in the US Navy, I ran across many Sailors that had obtained a degree from AIU and were completely satisfied with the curriculum and the recognition of the degree. I personally earned my BS through Excelsior College, Albany NY but am quite interested in a graduate degree from AIU. I contacted them and was quite impressed with their curriculum, standards and learning environment. I haven't noticed any hard sales tactics.

Currently, I am a Training Specialist for a large company dealing with DoD contracts. AIU is recognized and accredited in the training industry. This is important to me because I will continue in the training environment for my next career after the US Navy. Additionally they are an approved university for my MGIB and offer a 15% savings for military personnel and veterans. These are major points to me but they may not be for others.

Lastly, AIU took notice of their probationary status and made the necessary changes to gain full accreditation through the Southern Association of College and Schools. If I learned one thing in all my years, making a mistake is not a true indicator of character; it is what you do after that mistake that defines character. Call me silly but I appreciate the fact that they were under scrutiny for a year or two and succeeded in gaining full accreditation.

I'm still unsure if I will attend AIU but many of these posts seem to lack the understanding that Online learning is vastly different to a traditional learning environment. Yes, the courses are fast paced and retention can suffer. However, that is more a reflection on the student than the curriculum. What you get out of the courseware it is directly proportional to what you put into. Retention only happens through repeated exposure.

If one feels they are not retaining the material, spend more short sessions of course study/review and not one or two sessions. This is called chunking information. The Science of Learning is definitive on how we learn. I remember the days of cramming for exams and felt when I walked out, I knew nothing. Truth was, I didn't. Had I spent five or more study sessions of lesser time, I would have been better prepared and retained the knowledge much longer.

Lastly, I can't address the personal beliefs of ex-employees. I am certain they have their reasons for their opinions. However, when things get personal, I have noticed that objectivity often suffers. Again no flames intended, I just try to scan past these types of posts.

Will I attend AIU, who knows. I am looking at Strayer, Jones International, Capella and others. One thing I like about all these, AIU included, is that they have curriculum that fits my busy life style and the courses seem more relevant to current trends in the work force. It appears to me that traditional universities are less flexible and are a step behind the work force in some instances.

This is not a knock on traditional learning; I would love to have the time to dedicate to learning the traditional way but until that happens, I like the latest offerings from the Online Universities. It is a great alternative for working professionals without sacrificing the quality of instruction.
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#36 UPDATE Employee

It's all common sense - really.

AUTHOR: Tim Smith - (U.S.A.)

It amazes me to see people so confused or "surprised" at the - money means more than education. While I agree, the education piece should mean more - but in a business (which is what AIU is) - it will ALWAYS be about the money. That doesn't neccessarily make them a bad school, but where in life do you see people REALLY care anymore? Its always the bottom-dollar and service is.... well service. Do you get your windshields cleaned, oil checked, and gas pumped at stations anymore? Nope - you do it yourself, and pay a lot more for the privledge.

Anyways...

I want to make people see these types of schools for what they really are (in my opinion) and that is a cetificate of proven experience. I look at it from two sides, you either have a recent grad from Harvard who obviously is very smart but has no real experience or you have a people who spend the "Harvard" time working in the field and took an online degree course to prove he or she knows (at least SOMETHING) significant of the subject matter. What matter more to the employer (experience or the degree) will always be different and dependant on the circumstances.

For me, I took and still am enroll in this college. I have over 20 years of experience in the It field and have been with computer since casset tapes and the TRS-80. I've have programs actually published in aseveral magazines (this was before the Internet) so I consider myself pretty darn smart when it comes to IT stuff. I build websites and work currently on some of the biggest IT networks and servers in the world. But I do not have a bachelor's degree - yet. This is why I took the AIU leap. I do not have time for a full time college and I also want my degree FAST. I therefore know that the classes are going to simply reinforce the knowledge I already have while honning my skills in areas I neglect (like developing a business plan or flow chart before building an actually application). I find the classes more annoying that educational - but I expected that, albeit I COUNTED on that as I truly wanted to get my degree without much effort - since I felt I honestly have the experience of ATLEAST a bachelor's degree holder.

So there's my honest truth about me...

Now about you, let me first say, DO NOT take this school if you think of or are wanting to learn the subject matter. Now you may be smart and I wouldn't be one to say otherwise, but let me start by saying in the Visual Basic programming class, we were making our first program within two weeks. So if you either don't have a good basis or are an amazingly fast learner - these classes are going to be WAY to fast for you. Now I have seen students simpyl paste WIKIPEDIA articles as their assignments. One even left the link in it along with the pictures! Amazing, if you're goin to plagerize atleast put some effort into it - but what got me even more was to see these same students - four weeks latter - still in the class.... How? I mean, I know my class work was worthy of the grade I received, but was the school simply passing these other students to maintain that money? I dunno, but I found it hard to believe. Even more so, to have an assignment in Visual Basic, using Visual Studio and getting an IM from a fellow student asking me what Visual Studio is... This is after TWO WEEKS of SUPPOSEDLY doing assingments with it!

Irregardless, the bottom line is... If you want or need that "he/she has a degree" checkmark and already know the material - this is a good option. If you are looking to REALLY learn something new and interesting... Go to school - a REAL school.

Accredidation? Look for accedidation by specific agencies. Even Itel pull out of Univ. of Pheonix because they lost confidence in the educational portion of the classes.

As long as you can prove you actually know the subject matter (through you past experience) I think getting this degree might do you well. But if your only selling point to an employer is your AIU degree (with no websites/programs/ or similar to show) than you might be out of luck or getting hired into something you'll be totally lost in.

But then, some people don't care. As I have seen in the fellow students I work with.
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#37 Consumer Comment

STOP ATTENDING ALL THESE JUNK ON LINE SCHOOLS AND YOUR PROBLEMS WILL BE SOLVED

AUTHOR: Margaret - (U.S.A.)

All brick & morter colleges and community colleges offer on line classes now at reasonable state tuition rates. If everyone would just stop this Bull$#*& of attending these rip off places of higher education, you would not be getting yourselves in a financial bind, or having these rip off companies trying to ruin your credit. Then UOP, AXIA, STRAYER, CAPELLA, and who ever else Jon Doe for profit schools will close up shop and be gone for good!

These on line schools are a 100% rip off. I have taken a few on line classes through one of my local community college's and I am satisfied to know that its 100% accredited and transferable to any 4 year university, no questions asked.

Please everyone, stop giving yourself a heartache
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#38 UPDATE EX-employee responds

You get what you put in

AUTHOR: Manny - (U.S.A.)

From time to time I come back here to this site because I find it humerous to read the many post from disgruntled current and ex-employees and also current and former students.

I am an ex employee, I used to work in the admissions department and then I transferred to career services. I am also a graduate of the associates and Bachelors program. I got my bachelors in computer systems. I last worked for AIU...it must have been 2-3 years ago, and the reason I quit was so that I can get a job doing what I got my degree in. Here is the kicker...when I got my degree...that day...I went to careerbuilder, monster, and a few different placement agencies in my area looking for employment in my field. Do you know what I was told by those recruiters...I had no experience and in my field experience is king. So guess what...instead of crying about how I got screwed with a worthless degree...I went to barnes and noble and got an A+ book...I studied that book for a month and then went and got my A+ certification...I went back to the recruiters and still...I had no experience and couldn't get my foot in the door...still no crying about a worthless degree from me...I went back to barnes and noble and bought the Network + book...I studied that for another month and went and got my Network + certification...all the while I was still working at AIU...in the career services department.

I should mention that I worked at placing many students in different programs into careers....and by placing I mean I would find job leads for them to call and set up the interview..and those were cold leads in most cases. Most students that I attempted to assist felt that they were owned jobs...not just any jobs but Managers (with no management experience) or CEOs or programmers, or network technicians, or web designers...it goes on. What a lot of students fail to realize is that even with a degree if you have no experience you will have to start at the bottom...you can't just jump in and swim a marathon, especially if you can't swim. You have to learn how to swim, then practice swimming, and after you have the required experience then swim the marathon. A job is no different, you have to know what your doing...a degree just tells the potential employer that you have the ability to learn, that you have the discipline to follow through with a task...it doesn't prove anything in the way of smarts, it shows potential.

Anyway, I still couldn't get a job in IT...no experience equals no job...well I figured that I was doing something wrong...how can I get experience if no one will hire me right. I took a really good look at what I was doing and what the results were and I realized something funny. I had actually been offered and turned down numerous offers most because I was making x amount of dollars at AIU and I didn't want to accept anything less than I was already getting. Well I realized that if I wanted to get into IT I would have to accept something that I didn't want initally to get the experience and thats what I did...I accepted an entry level help desk job at a local hospital working 3rd shift...did I mention that I had a 2 yr old daughter that I couldn't spend time with while working at AIU because I worked crazy hrs and most nights didn't get off until 8 trying to make my quota (most of the time I didn't...and I still didn't get fired) and now i'm working 3rd shift, so i'm sleeping when she is awake and awake when she is sleeping. But hey, this is what they mean when people talk about short term sacrafice for long term gain. So here I am working 3rd shift at this hospital and its boring...nothing going on at all, the occasional password reset but really nothing.

What do I do, do I cry about how my degree is useless...nope...I go back to my community college and take MCSE classes in the hours after work...I take these classes for about 9 months to a year...after these classes I go back to the recruiters who told me no before and guess what...now i'm golden boy...I got A+, Network+, passed a few Microsoft certification tests and have 1 year of experience to boot.

Before I got no offers and the offers I did get were for 15 an hr or less and were for entry level help desk...I couldn't even get a job in the IT department at AIU...and thats where I got my degree...but guess what they wanted...yep...you got it, they also wanted someone with experience...now I get system administrator offers, or network technician offers, or sr desktop support offers...etc...each ranging between 20 -30 an hr...all the while proudly displayed on my resume are both of my AIU Degrees. When my current employer asked me about my degrees I tell them (Most employers...about 95 % of them do no even bother to ask, they just want to see a degree there). If employers ask me about what I can do in relation to the job I tell them...I know my stuff. Thats the key point, I know my stuff. Regardless of degree...if you ask me how to RDP into a network pc...I can tell you. If you ask me how to install a network printer...I can tell you...if you ask me how remotely install software...I can tell you.

I currently work for a regional financial institution doing exactly what I got my degree in...and guess what...the thing that got me the call back initially was my degree...yep the very same AIU degree that some of you profess to be worthless...got me a call back to an interview for an IT position in a major financial institution. The degree didn't do nothing for me in the interview...that was me, that was getting the A+ and the Network + and the MCP and the MCDST.

Had I just given up after the first no or the second no or even the third or fourth no, I probably would still be at AIU but I decided to pursue my dream and I didn't stop with the degree but after I graduated, I continued to pursue my dream until I got what I wanted.

I share my store because there are many on this site that will tell you the degree is worthless...I am here to say that the degree might be worthless if you want it to be worthless...if you want it to be worth something then it will be worth something. Don't let others determine your future...its your future you make the decision, its your future. I didn't have the best of experiences with financial aid and I was an employee! I found that I would have to go across the room and speak face to face with my financial aid advisor in order to get some things straightened out...this happened on many occasions. When I went to the local community college to take those MCSE classes, I had financial aid issues there as well....like a previous poster said it just the nature of all colleges I guess.

If you want to get into management, then get your degree AND get experience. If you want to get into web design, then get your degree AND get experience. Any place you apply you must start at the bottom unless you have experience doing something similar or have an inside connection at the company. (in most cases for those who have an inside connection...they will quickly be passed over for promotion if they don't know there stuff.)

For me, my degrees from AIU were not a hinderance but a help. I used them as a springboard along with other educational certifications to launch me into my current career and i'm extremely pleased with where I am right now. I make decent money (low 40K) and am on track to move to the next level in about a year.

I'll come back in a few months when I need to be reminded of how thankful I am.
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#39 Consumer Suggestion

CEC has employees come on here and rebute reports (how pitiable!?)

AUTHOR: Abbie Goldstein - (U.S.A.)

CEC representatives need to get lives and need to work, not sit on ripoffreport.com and rebute what past students and pastfaculty have to say about this school that would help future students understand what they're up against. There are 5000x more negative things about this school then positive. If there are such positive information then create a website that would state such information. CEC institutions are a joke and everybody ios catching wind of their illegal business practices, lawsuits and numerous investigations by large news corporations.

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CEC which owns AIU is closing schools and selling others

CEC students and faculty are going through the AIU and CEC networks trying to get the word out. Get out if possible, meet with your president and ask for a refund.

CEC which owns AIU will decieve and mislead you. You do not want a school on your resume that doesn't exist? CEC is closing schools and selling others. CEC is being sued by investment companies, share holders, faculty, and numerous class actions lawsuits from it's students. This is exactly why they have no credibility in the career or educational world.

Ask the students in the group below how it effects their life having a CEC school on their resume which doesn't exist any longer.

Selling information: The Devil is in the details
chronicle.com/news/article/2593/career-education-corp-will-close-3-colleges-it-has-tried-to-sell

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Academy_of_Design_and_Technology

This is why I dropped out along with many others: CEC is the new Enron
secinfo.com/dRSm6.v1bd.htm

This group explains everything: Report your school
academy.facebook.com/group.php?gid=5604847490

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#40 Consumer Comment

sounds like someone got fired

AUTHOR: Liz - (U.S.A.)

hi dirc,
sounds like you are an angry fired employee. i am with a cec school and very happy. true, many "happy" people on blogs may be employees, but what about all the people on the website, all the stories? with tens of thousands of alumni, sure you will have some who are unhappy, but what's that. aiu had a fantastic visit with SACA? sounds like CEC is on a great path and i am on board.
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#41 Consumer Suggestion

Can't trust anybody in the CEC corporation. Stay away from AIU.

AUTHOR: Cec Truth Advocate - (U.S.A.)

CEC which owns AIU is closing schools and selling others

CEC students and faculty are going through the AIU networks trying to get the word out. Get out if possible and meet with your president and ask for a refund.

CEC which owns AIU is going to decieve and mislead you. You do not want a school on your resume that doesn't exist? CEC is closing schools and selling others and this is exactly why they have no credibility in the career or educational world.

Ask the students in the group below how it effects their life having a CEC school on their resume which doesn't exist any longer.

Selling information:
~http://chronicle.com/news/article/2593/career-education-cor

p-will-close-3-colleges-it-has-tried-to-sell

~http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Academy_of_Desig

n_and_Technology

This is why I dropped out along with many others: CEC is the new Enron
http://www.secinfo.com/dRSm6.v1bd.htm

These groups explain everything: Facebook is much larger
~ Myspace:http://groups.myspace.com/Theiadttruthadvocate

~ facebook: http://academy.facebook.com/group.php?gid=5604847490

(please, investigate AIU before investing a dollar in the chopshop degree mill)
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#42 Consumer Suggestion

Accreditation

AUTHOR: Blake - (U.S.A.)

As I stated before, Colorado Technical University has been around since 1965. That was long before CEC became the owners. They are Regionally accredited by the North Central Association of colleges and Schools, which happens to be one of the 6 major accrediting bodies for higher education. Also, they recieved this accreditation long before CEC became the owners.

I do believe that Regional Acrreditation was received around 1975 since it takes around 10 years for a university to obtain Regional Accreditation.

As I stated before, I am a Federal employee and do not work for CTU and can certainly prove that fact. Again, who cares if CEC is under investigation.

Regional Accreditation is obtain based on the quality of the education and cirriculum of the university, not the owners background.

So once again, what Truth Advocate post on this web page has no merit when it comes to Colorado Technical University.

CTU will remain Regionally Accredited and a University and that is the bottom line. To all who read this post.

Go to http://www.chea.org/default.asp to find out what universities are degree mills and which ones are accredited and ligitimate schools.

You can also go to http://www.northcentralassociation.org/ to check up on Colorado Technical University's accreditation.

The Accrediting Board of Engineering and Technology(ABET) also accredits Colorado Technical University's School of Engineering.

You can check them out at http://www.abet.org/. As stated earlier, I do not work for CTU.

I'm just trying to bring the facts to the table. Who cares if CEC is being investigated. That has no relavance to the fact that CTU is a Regionally Accredited university who had to meet certain criteria in the first place to obtain the accreditation. Once again the bottom line is Regional Accreditation from the North Central Association of Colleges and Schools and professional accreditation from ABET, Which CTU has obtained from both of those organizations.

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#43 Consumer Suggestion

News investigations are wrecking credibility of these schools: Stay Away!

AUTHOR: Steven Heinsberg - (U.S.A.)

Career Educational Coproration owns these schools and this corporation has a dark past with illegal practices which have led to many investigations and law suits, active and past. Some investigation have gone as far as large news broadcasting companies and more are airing in early January 2008.

This corporation has ruined all the credibility of these schools once they purchased them a few years back. These schools no longer hold crediblity in the career or educational world.

Investigation into their chef schools: Link
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Read all these investigations and lawsuits and many more reports regarding this companies desire to capatalize on it's students while throwing their quality of education out the window.

this corparation is circling the drain, investigating them before attending would be greatly advised.

These are the groups which will hold many more of the investigations into CEC and their degree mill institutions. Another CBS investigation will be airing in early January 2008 and these groups will caryy them all.

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WHY ARE CEC OFFICIALS CLOGGING RIPOFFREPORT.COM?(THIS IS DEPLORABLE BEHAVIOR)

AUTHOR: Cec Truth Advocate - (U.S.A.)

CEC is the corporation that owns AIU and CTU. CEC is in a lot of trouble and it's starting to be noticed again by many students, faculty, agancies, and in many lawsuits.

Who wants to attend a school that ends up sclosing like many CEC institutions. The word needs to get out, not only to increase the educational standard at the chopshop schools but to let this corporation know that they are being watched by their students and if need be they will be reported.

IT'S NOT NORMAL BEHAVIOR FOR SCHOOL REPRESENTATIVES TO BE ON THIS SITE REBUTING STUDENTS REPORTS. THIS IS DISHONST, PATHETIC, PITIABLE AND SAD.

CEC REPRESENTATIVES AND OFFICAILS NEED TO GETS LIVES AND LEAVE PAST AND PRESENT STUDENTS ALONE. THEIR REPORTS SHOULD BE READ BY OTHERS.

CHECKOUT THE NEWS INVESTIGATION INTO CEC. ANOTHER WILL AIRE IN EARLY JANUARY AND WE WILL HAVE IT IN THIS GROUP.


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#45 Consumer Comment

I must disagree

AUTHOR: Shockedgrad - (U.S.A.)

I currently work for Sprint Nextel and had done extensive research with the HR department and the outsourced recruiters at the operational sub-headquarter in Dallas before starting my studies at Colorado Tech University Online. The information that I received solidified my decision to attend the school. I assumed that someone was going to make money off me when I heard that my total tuition would be close to thirty thousand dollars. However, I am smart enough to know that private colleges are businesses, not charities. SMU makes millions of private money a year along with the 2000 other private schools in the U.S. My degree is from a college that is accredited by the North Central Association of Colleges and Schools Higher Learning Commission which can easily be viewed by going to http://ope.ed.gov/accreditation/InstDetail.asp and is happily accepted as a symbol of my higher education at my company, the third largest telecommunications company in the U.S. and a top one hundred company on the Fortune 500 list. At Sprint we are given $5250 a year in tuition reimbursement which they were happy to pay me for my work at Colorado Tech University Online. You also need to look at this realistically. There are 4,140 colleges and universities in the U.S. As far as Tech's go there is Louisiana Tech, which a good friend of mine graduated, Texas Tech, which another friend of mine graduated, Arkansas Tech, Michigan Tech, Virginia Tech, and New Mexico Tech just to name a few. Do you think that any employer is going to question Colorado Tech.

I don't know if you are angry because you don't work there any more or because you don't have the qualifications to get better employment. Whatever your reason, you should be aware of the fact that my degree from CTU has enabled me to provide better for my family and has opened opportunities for me that I had never thought about pursuing. My diploma is more one of the most valuable things I own. Don't belittle my hard work. I am a proud graduate of Colorado Tech University. It was very hard and I almost quit half of the way through because of the pressure. A test shows how much you memorize, however writing four papers a week for a year and a half shows how qualified and committed I am to perform any job with any company.
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#46 Consumer Suggestion

No CTU Employee Here

AUTHOR: Blake - (U.S.A.)

Truth Advocate has still not proven his point. You can say what ever you want but CTU is Regionally accredited and that is the bottom line man. Also, Im a Federal employee and do not work for CTU. I am a student however at CTU and Im just here to say that what you are saying has no merit. CTU and AUI are accredited universities and that my friend has nothing to do with CEC. Who cares if CEC is under investigation. That has nothing to do with accreditation. These schools had to meet certain criteria to obtain regional accreditation, so case closed. Oh yeh, the reason that I come to this site is because I get a kick out of reading your discruntled postings.

Im a federal government employee and can easily prove that I dont work for CTU and as long as the Internet exist and I have an Internet connection I will come to this web site and discredit what you say. Have a Happy New Year! I know I will.
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#47 Consumer Suggestion

It is dishonest that CEC representatives clog ripoffreport with rebutals of students that have serious reports.

AUTHOR: Cec Truth Advocate - (U.S.A.)

CEC is the corporation which owns AIU, CTU and IADT along with many others.

Never attend a CEC school. CEC has a very dark history. Seeing CEC officials here on ripoffreport.com won't be a few and far between occurance. It's actually a standard deceiving practice this corporation has been using for many years.

CEC representatives get asked too write rebutals or they think a promotion is right around the corner.

Investigate this company before every speaking with a representative.

There is a group online that helps get the word out without CEC representatives drowning students with rebutals which are unfounded and are actually the opposite of what students report.

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#48 Consumer Suggestion

CEC - Why AIU and CTU officials and employees speak out

AUTHOR: Lynae - (U.S.A.)

As I've mentioned before. I was a graduate of AIU's way before I became an employee here. So, I can respond as both, an employee and a consumer. I'm addressing several complaints I just read this morning.

It is not JUST to tarnish the reputation of the school because you were fired. We have graduated more people in our online programs than our campus sites. If you're wondering why employees are sending rebuttals, it's because we care about our students, our school, and careers at AIU. Furthermore, all I read on here are lies and half truths about the university as a whole. Once I read that Dr. Drimmer only had an Associate's degree. Come on people!!! Don't you have anything better to do than lie to the public????

Other Directors of Admissions left our university when we got on probation because they went to other university's who paid commission for enrolling students. Which in my book is bad practice, because then it becomes a sells job and one ends up enrolling any and everyone into the university, knowing darn well, they're setting half of them up for failure so that they could receive a large commission check.

You couldn't leave your phone for the first and last hour because those are the best times to contact the student, before they go to work and after they get home from work.
Take a potty break before you get to your seat. Did you think you were going to be fired if you asked to go to the washroom???? It's funny, because I go all the time without asking. Whose team were you on?

Anyway, we're off of probation and I expected we were getting off, like everyone else did. Having seven campuses out there.....well, we just needed to pull everyone together and get them on the same page, which we did. This is the best job in the world! I love my JOB, my STUDENTS, and my TEAM...... RR!!

Please stop with the negativity!! You should have asked for more training. Yes, you get two weeks of training, but then you also receive continuous training. Didn't you receive your memos for training, or were you just not into the job to go for extra help by getting continuous training???? Maybe that was the reason for your termination? You weren't into the job.

If you still haven't found a job after receiving your degree from AIU, what steps have you taken? Have you spoken with Career Services? Have you sat with them and gotten your interview techniques critiqued?

Well, that's it for now. I'm going into work this morning on Christmas Eve to join a bunch of other Admissions Advisor and call a bunch of our students and just chat with them. Why? We LOVE our jobs! And care deeply about our students' success!!
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#49 Consumer Comment

Law School

AUTHOR: David - (U.S.A.)

Yes. When I complete my classes I will be in debt.


But I look at it this way, my interest in CTU is to obtain credits to obtain my BS in Criminal Justice to go to law school. I made sure that they were accredited. This will allow me to enter into law school. There are law schools that offer classes online and if I want to take those I will, why? Because my goal is to be eligible to take the bar exam to get my law license. If these schools are accredited, my State cannot deny me the right to sit for the bar exam if I possess a JD degree from an accredited school. The law license will allow me to practice law. Having the law license allow will be worth all the money and time I've spent studying. I'm already working in the legal industry and giving away 50% of my income to attorneys because I don't have that law license and it's illegal for me to collect attorney fees.

You need to understand what your end goal is and findout if a degree from an online school will allow you to achieve it. You need to plan correctly. Think smart.
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#50 Consumer Suggestion

Why are CEC/AIU/CTU representatives on ripoffreport.com

AUTHOR: Cec Truth Advocate - (U.S.A.)

CEC is the corporation that owns AIU and CTU. CEC is in a lot of trouble and it's starting to be noticed again by many students, faculty, agancies, and in many lawsuits.

IT'S NOT NORMAL BEHAVIOR FOR SCHOOL REPRESENTATIVES TO BE ON THIS SITE REBUTING STUDENTS REPORTS. THIS IS DISHONST, PATHETIC, PITIABLE AND SAD.

CEC REPRESENTATIVES AND OFFICAILS NEED TO GETS LIVES AND LEAVE PAST AND PRESENT STUDENTS ALONE. THEIR REPORTS SHOULD BE READ BY OTHERS.

CHECKOUT THE NEWS INVESTIGATION INTO CEC. ANOTHER WILL AIRE IN EARLY JANUARY AND WE WILL HAVE IT IN THIS GROUP.

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#51 Consumer Suggestion

what reputable college has it's officials on ripoffreport.com clogging stoires??? CEC schools are such a scam

AUTHOR: Cec Truth Advocate - (U.S.A.)

CEC which owns AIU and CTU are scadalous. They have school representatives clogging ripoffreport.com every day with save face rebutals.

WHAT REPUTABLE SCHOOL DOES THIS???

THIS ISN'T NORMAL PRACTICES. IT'S WRONG, DISTASTEFUL, DISHONEST AND SAD.

VISIT OUR GROUP TO SEE WHAT CEC SCHOOLS ARE SCADALOUS AND HAVE BEEN INVESTIGATED AND WHICH ONES ARE ON PROBATION.

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#52 Consumer Suggestion

what reputable college has it's officials on ripoffreport.com clogging stoires??? CEC schools are such a scam

AUTHOR: Cec Truth Advocate - (U.S.A.)

CEC which owns AIU and CTU are scadalous. They have school representatives clogging ripoffreport.com every day with save face rebutals.

WHAT REPUTABLE SCHOOL DOES THIS???

THIS ISN'T NORMAL PRACTICES. IT'S WRONG, DISTASTEFUL, DISHONEST AND SAD.

VISIT OUR GROUP TO SEE WHAT CEC SCHOOLS ARE SCADALOUS AND HAVE BEEN INVESTIGATED AND WHICH ONES ARE ON PROBATION.

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#53 Consumer Suggestion

what reputable college has it's officials on ripoffreport.com clogging stoires??? CEC schools are such a scam

AUTHOR: Cec Truth Advocate - (U.S.A.)

CEC which owns AIU and CTU are scadalous. They have school representatives clogging ripoffreport.com every day with save face rebutals.

WHAT REPUTABLE SCHOOL DOES THIS???

THIS ISN'T NORMAL PRACTICES. IT'S WRONG, DISTASTEFUL, DISHONEST AND SAD.

VISIT OUR GROUP TO SEE WHAT CEC SCHOOLS ARE SCADALOUS AND HAVE BEEN INVESTIGATED AND WHICH ONES ARE ON PROBATION.

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#54 Consumer Suggestion

what reputable college has it's officials on ripoffreport.com clogging stoires??? CEC schools are such a scam

AUTHOR: Cec Truth Advocate - (U.S.A.)

CEC which owns AIU and CTU are scadalous. They have school representatives clogging ripoffreport.com every day with save face rebutals.

WHAT REPUTABLE SCHOOL DOES THIS???

THIS ISN'T NORMAL PRACTICES. IT'S WRONG, DISTASTEFUL, DISHONEST AND SAD.

VISIT OUR GROUP TO SEE WHAT CEC SCHOOLS ARE SCADALOUS AND HAVE BEEN INVESTIGATED AND WHICH ONES ARE ON PROBATION.

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#55 Consumer Suggestion

The difference between AUI and CTU

AUTHOR: Blake - (U.S.A.)

Look folks CTU was a university long before CEC bought this institution. Raven above metioned that CTU was Nationally accredited. Raven is wrong. CTU is Regionally accredited. National accreditation is not as good as Regional accreditaion. National accreditation is a lower standard.

If you dont beleive it do the research and you will see for yourself. Dont get CTU confused with AIU. Colorado Technical University was arround long before online education was even thought of. AIU has had some trouble with being put on probation. Im not trying to insult AIU, but people here seem to keep merging the two just because the same investors bought these two schools.

Again Im not trying to insult AIU. I know they are regionally accredited but they have been in trouble with their accrediting body SACS, but so have many other big name traditional universities that are accredited by SACS. If you dont believe it go to SACS website and look at the Universities that have been put on probation by SACS. CTU has been around since 1965 and have proven themselves.

Please folks I'm not trying to say that AIU is a bad institution, but I'm simply trying to say that CTU and AIU are two different Instituitons offering different degree porgrams . Always remember that Regional accreditation is a higher standard than National accreditation and the bottom line is CTU and AIU are Regionally accredited, but they are accredited by two different accrediting bodies.

I hope that I have no offended any AUI grads or current students but I was only trying to bring light to the differences between the two schools because the names seem to keep being mentioned together. I know that CEC owns both schools but they are different. CTU had been around for many years before CEC came into the picture. For the Disgruntled emplyees and students, you can say what you want but these two institutions are Regionally accredited and all of these Fortune 500 companies and Government agencies are aware of this.
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#56 Consumer Suggestion

The difference between AUI and CTU

AUTHOR: Blake - (U.S.A.)

Look folks CTU was a university long before CEC bought this institution. Raven above metioned that CTU was Nationally accredited. Raven is wrong. CTU is Regionally accredited. National accreditation is not as good as Regional accreditaion. National accreditation is a lower standard.

If you dont beleive it do the research and you will see for yourself. Dont get CTU confused with AIU. Colorado Technical University was arround long before online education was even thought of. AIU has had some trouble with being put on probation. Im not trying to insult AIU, but people here seem to keep merging the two just because the same investors bought these two schools.

Again Im not trying to insult AIU. I know they are regionally accredited but they have been in trouble with their accrediting body SACS, but so have many other big name traditional universities that are accredited by SACS. If you dont believe it go to SACS website and look at the Universities that have been put on probation by SACS. CTU has been around since 1965 and have proven themselves.

Please folks I'm not trying to say that AIU is a bad institution, but I'm simply trying to say that CTU and AIU are two different Instituitons offering different degree porgrams . Always remember that Regional accreditation is a higher standard than National accreditation and the bottom line is CTU and AIU are Regionally accredited, but they are accredited by two different accrediting bodies.

I hope that I have no offended any AUI grads or current students but I was only trying to bring light to the differences between the two schools because the names seem to keep being mentioned together. I know that CEC owns both schools but they are different. CTU had been around for many years before CEC came into the picture. For the Disgruntled emplyees and students, you can say what you want but these two institutions are Regionally accredited and all of these Fortune 500 companies and Government agencies are aware of this.
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#57 Consumer Suggestion

The difference between AUI and CTU

AUTHOR: Blake - (U.S.A.)

Look folks CTU was a university long before CEC bought this institution. Raven above metioned that CTU was Nationally accredited. Raven is wrong. CTU is Regionally accredited. National accreditation is not as good as Regional accreditaion. National accreditation is a lower standard.

If you dont beleive it do the research and you will see for yourself. Dont get CTU confused with AIU. Colorado Technical University was arround long before online education was even thought of. AIU has had some trouble with being put on probation. Im not trying to insult AIU, but people here seem to keep merging the two just because the same investors bought these two schools.

Again Im not trying to insult AIU. I know they are regionally accredited but they have been in trouble with their accrediting body SACS, but so have many other big name traditional universities that are accredited by SACS. If you dont believe it go to SACS website and look at the Universities that have been put on probation by SACS. CTU has been around since 1965 and have proven themselves.

Please folks I'm not trying to say that AIU is a bad institution, but I'm simply trying to say that CTU and AIU are two different Instituitons offering different degree porgrams . Always remember that Regional accreditation is a higher standard than National accreditation and the bottom line is CTU and AIU are Regionally accredited, but they are accredited by two different accrediting bodies.

I hope that I have no offended any AUI grads or current students but I was only trying to bring light to the differences between the two schools because the names seem to keep being mentioned together. I know that CEC owns both schools but they are different. CTU had been around for many years before CEC came into the picture. For the Disgruntled emplyees and students, you can say what you want but these two institutions are Regionally accredited and all of these Fortune 500 companies and Government agencies are aware of this.
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#58 Consumer Suggestion

The difference between AUI and CTU

AUTHOR: Blake - (U.S.A.)

Look folks CTU was a university long before CEC bought this institution. Raven above metioned that CTU was Nationally accredited. Raven is wrong. CTU is Regionally accredited. National accreditation is not as good as Regional accreditaion. National accreditation is a lower standard.

If you dont beleive it do the research and you will see for yourself. Dont get CTU confused with AIU. Colorado Technical University was arround long before online education was even thought of. AIU has had some trouble with being put on probation. Im not trying to insult AIU, but people here seem to keep merging the two just because the same investors bought these two schools.

Again Im not trying to insult AIU. I know they are regionally accredited but they have been in trouble with their accrediting body SACS, but so have many other big name traditional universities that are accredited by SACS. If you dont believe it go to SACS website and look at the Universities that have been put on probation by SACS. CTU has been around since 1965 and have proven themselves.

Please folks I'm not trying to say that AIU is a bad institution, but I'm simply trying to say that CTU and AIU are two different Instituitons offering different degree porgrams . Always remember that Regional accreditation is a higher standard than National accreditation and the bottom line is CTU and AIU are Regionally accredited, but they are accredited by two different accrediting bodies.

I hope that I have no offended any AUI grads or current students but I was only trying to bring light to the differences between the two schools because the names seem to keep being mentioned together. I know that CEC owns both schools but they are different. CTU had been around for many years before CEC came into the picture. For the Disgruntled emplyees and students, you can say what you want but these two institutions are Regionally accredited and all of these Fortune 500 companies and Government agencies are aware of this.
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#59 Consumer Suggestion

AIU/CEC reprentatives are clogging ripoff report.com. Why are representatives on here?!?!?

AUTHOR: Cec Truth Advocate - (U.S.A.)

AIU representatives need to leave it alone!!! CEC is in a lot of trouble and you need to recognize this.

No reputable schools has representatives on ripoffreport.com rebuting stories, lol, CEC representatives are so scadalous and it's quite sad.

Checkout our groups for real credentials and law suits into CEC.

Lawsuits by faculty, students along with many investigations active/past. The truth is coming out.

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#60 UPDATE Employee

Scorn employees

AUTHOR: Lynae - (U.S.A.)

I really resent these accusations! This is a GREAT job, and a caring company. It's not a commission based job, so if you were an Advisor like some schools have, and you tried to sale education, then you would not be successful at AIU.there's no commission, so why try so hard to enroll just anyone in the school? Your job was supposed to find people who really are determined to finish up an accredited degree and be there for them until they graduate. It's a big step with a lot of students. Your job besides enrolling qualified students was to mentor them and be there for them until they graduated. I've turned down more than a third of the people who requested information before setting an appointment. If you have never turned away students then that's why you never succeeded. Some people aren't ready for college, and it doesn't make sense when you are enrolling them and you knowing darn well that they're not ready..it's a poor reflection on your customer service skills.

So what you just told everyone is you just enrolled people to fail, therefore creating a sales environment, when everyone knows, you can not sale education!

Maybe, if you would have took the job knowing that you're changing people's lives and helping them to get to the American dream then maybe you would have still been at the school.

Being an Admissions Advisor does not mean you're a sales person and if you took the position trying to sell education, then thank goodness you're no longer there!

My retention rate, since I've been there is at 90%. Why? Because I LOVE helping people and I take time out to get to know them so I can help them reach their dreams. Furthermore, I'm a graduate from AIU. I had found a great job as a supervisor in my field when I graduated years ago from AIU. I had a great job with a company who gave me the job because I had a college degree. AIU has so many Educational Partners, mostly fortunes 500 companies who knows the quality of our education.

It's college dear, so that's why you can not just enroll anyone, not everyone is ready when you think they're ready for school. Anyway, this past job I had was my first big salary job because I had finally gotten my degree. AIU's program gave me all the tools to succeed, so when I got the job, I wasn't lost. I thought that was my dream job. I was wrong..too much responsibility. I left there after seven months once I realized I no longer wanted to pursue a career in management.

I stepped down in positions and knocked on AIU's door and begged them to train me to be as caring and dedicated as my Admission Advisor had been to me, in order for me to help others .therefore becoming an Admissions Advisor. I LOVE MY JOB, MY STUDENTS, AND HELPING PEOPLE! This is the prefect job for people who love to help others. You have to be non-selfish to be able to deal with the public.

Anyway, this is a nice web site, but it could be very misleading to the public when an employee is not happy because they couldn't do the job. This is the EASIEST job in the world, it's just requires employees who are dedicated to helping people.

It just wasn't a fit for you, go on about your life and leave my school, dedicated co-workers and students along because you probably got fired for not doing your job correctly.
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#61 Consumer Comment

All of these schools are regionally accredited and are NOT diploma mills....

AUTHOR: Dr. W - (U.S.A.)

Put them in the same category as all other online schools, if you must. Maybe taking online classes is not your cup of tea, but let me tell you what....as long as any of these school has the stamp of approval from one of the 6 regional accreditation authorities for higher education, they are just as good as any DIV I school in the country. I know I am an AIU grad and I got into Regents College and Purdue. So, put that in your pipe and smoke it!
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#62 Consumer Suggestion

The bottom line is Regional Accredition for CTU.

AUTHOR: Blake - (U.S.A.)

Colorado Technical University is regionally accredited by the North Central Association of Colleges and Schools. The very same accrediting body that grant accreditation to schools such as Colorado State University, University of Colorado, University of Arizona, Arizona State University etc. All you have to do is go to the North Central Association of Colleges and Schools and check to see if their schools holding accreditation have been in trouble before or are currently in trouble for what ever reason converning accreditation. CTU has not had any trouble of any sort as you can see when you check the website. Also CTU's School of Engineering is accredited by the Accrediting Board Of Engineering Technology. People are posting negative here because they either worked for them and it did not make it or they took classes and could not keep up with the courses. If CTU were such a ripoff they would not hold the accreditation that they hold.

This school has been around since 1965. It doesnt matter if you are taking online classes or taking classes at their Colorado Springs campus Accreditation is what it is all about. CTU had to meet certain criteria to receive regional accreditation from the North Central Association of Colleges and Schools. CTU is regionally accredited and has been for many years. So why would someone try to come on this site and try to discredit this school. Thats because they are DISGRUNTLED. Also go to the CHEA.org website to check to find out what colleges are degree mills. CTU is certainly not listed as a degree mill nor will they ever be. Happy learning to all!
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#63 Consumer Suggestion

CEC representatives are clogging these rebutals on ripoffreport.com. CEC is in a lot of trouble and it's time to face the facts.

AUTHOR: Chuck Heinsberg - (U.S.A.)

CEC/IADT representatives use ripoffreport.com to rebute students complaints. CEC is so scandalous!

CEC representatives need to get lives and layoff students that have credible ripoff reports to file. Quit clogging ripoffreport.com with rediculous cut/paste rebutals, it's getting old.

CEC knows they're running a chopShop for-profit institution and the proper authorities are aware of it..

Checkout the CBS 60 Minutes investigation:

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#64 Consumer Comment

AIU Grad and Loved It...

AUTHOR: Atl Born - (U.S.A.)

Well, I guess I have to put my two cents in on the up side of the AIU discussion. I am a graudate of AIU - Dunwoody Bachelors and Masters program, I have a BIT and a MBA and I can tell you that my experience was GREAT!!!! Most people that I hear complaining about the University are those that took classes or got into program that they did not know or understand. I know that the reps are suppose to discourage students from seeking degrees that they are not qualified to take, but I have know students to insist on a BIT (Bachelors of Information Technology) degree when they are coming from a clerical background or some other off the wall career field, folks you can't do that. I fault the students for that.

These people get into the classes and they don't have a clue, and the one's that do understand what they are doing are attempting to assist the clueless in grasping the work and you ask yourself, what in the HECK are they doing in this program. I use to hear it all the time, the professor would go around the class asking people the introduce themselves......I hear people with 10+ year of wonderful experience in Medical Billing......15+ years in Accounts Payable.....what the HECK are you doing in a IT degree program. Then they wonder why they are failing and end up on this board as a former students complaining about the course work or somehow I was tricked into taking this program. You knew from the very start that you had know idea what you were getting into. Accelerated means exactly that....quickly, which means you have to grasp it and then we are moving on...QUICKLY.

I am proud to announce that I am working for an International Company in the Information Security field and I am very close to 6 figures, that's right, you heard me 6 figures. Furthermore, I am currently pursuing a Ph.D. and hope to be finished with it in a couple of years.

Keep it pimpin, pimpin - Church
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#65 UPDATE Employee

Current Employee and Student

AUTHOR: Tawny - (U.S.A.)

Actually, AIU has made many positive changes to the University over the past year. However, the treatment of the employees is the same.

You see, if someone does not work - they are fired. Isn't that shocking??

There are no required numbers, only expected ones - and those apply to retention as much as enrollments on an advisor. Why? Because it is our job to ensure that our students have a wonderful experience and to continuilly be of service to them.

Sadly, too many people took that aspect of needing to work hard and care for the individual as too much pressure. Funny, even before they made changes in which we no longer discuss expectations and focus on retention, I never had any problems. However, I will admit that many advisors appreciate the changes and so do I.

I am there for the student. As an admissions advisor, I have found one of the most fufilling positions I have found in my life. the reimbursement for employees is incredibly high for what we do, and there is no commission. A decent admissions advisor can tell anyone this.

And as a note, AIU the Online Campus is very young. They started at around 12 advisors and 60 students to enrolling over a 100,000 last year alone. This is in a period of 7 years. I cannot imagine any University who works as hard as they do.

Our retention? Over 60% graduate. Thats what I call hard work.

AIU Admissions Advisor Portland, OR
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#66 Consumer Comment

Raven

AUTHOR: Darren - (U.S.A.)

Raven,

Thank you for your submission. I believe everything you say 100%. In fact, I read your words with tears in my eyes because of the desperation you feel in trying to do what's right. It is sad that your idealism was not and never will be fulfilled at AIU.

Honestly, I am one of the success stories as a graduate of their BIT program (05-06). However, one of the most frustrating aspects of being a student at AIU was that I had a new advisor every 2-3 months. Some cared, but most clearly did not.

I wish I had you as my advisor. You are obviously one of the rare ones.

Please come back here with an update as your situation changes. Or you can email me at:
(((redacted)))

Thanks again

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#67 REBUTTAL Individual responds

I still do not see anyone with a reasonable complaint

AUTHOR: Heather - (U.S.A.)

I have been watching these comments, and have made my own, and I still haven't seen anyone make a suggestion to answer any of the problems. First of all, Fafsa and money related complaints really have no bearing on AIU after the fact, because the fact is that it doesn't matter what the advisors said, you absolutely had to sign the paperwork and if you read it, it would have clearly stated the costs. And if you weren't aware, you should not have signed it. Extinuating circumstances do happen, and in those cases, I wouldn't know what to do.

However, my problem was with having to retake classes due to technical difficulties not on my end. I have not seen any other complaints like mine so it looks like I'm on my own against battling the school.

I would like to see some constructive critizism come out of these postings, and I'm hoping someone has gotten somewhere with the school enough to make an educated suggestion. It is likely that my situation will result in a lawsuit, but I have to go through the process none the less. I have compiled now two appeals and am waiting to hear the result of the second appeal.

I urge people the read the fine print to save themselves trouble later, and more importantly it would be more helpful to stay on the topic at hand rather than go into petty differences in people.
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#68 UPDATE Employee

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AUTHOR: Raven - (U.S.A.)

Hello everyone.

I've read this thread from start to finish, and I was compelled to add my "two cents". Actually, it may be more than that... I have been a "National Admissions Advisor" at AIU Online for almost 2 years, and have struggled with my job from the day I walked into the crash-course week of training we were given back then.

First of all, just so you know what I'm about, I have a strong customer service background. Any job I've ever held has been all about helping people and getting someone in a position to make their lives better. When I heard of openings for Admissions Advisor for an online university, I thought it'd be a wonderful opportunity for me to assist people, who might not otherwise have the time, transportation, or freedom in their daily lives, to get back to school, get a degree, and give themselves opportunities to advance. I thought all my customer service experience would make me a star advisor. Plus, I'd have the opportunity to go back to school and get my Bachelors degree, which I hadn't had the time in my own life to pursue. I found out in short order I was wrong... on both counts, unfortunately.

When I started, I was expected to make no less than 150-175 outbound dials a day, have as close to 4 hours of talk time as possible, and get as close to the goal of 10 appointments (for a second interview with prospective students), 2 "COWs" (Contract On the Way), and 1 enrollment. We were strongly encouraged to get 2 enrollments by Tuesday of every week, or we were falling behind.

I heard my co-workers saying all kinds of things to students, from promising grants, guarantees of specific salary amounts, insults ("How can you tuck your children in at night knowing that you're failing them without a degree...") - just to get the enrollment or "save" a student. There was such a high pressure environment that it fostered dishonesty not only in what was said to prospective students, but also to whether or not an enrolled student was a real live individual, or just a fake name and fabricated Social Security number.

Now, in spite of the fact that I made routinely over 300 dials a day or more, sometimes going through my whole lead bank and starting over, a day with 4 appointments set was big for me. I couldn't figure out what I was doing wrong. I followed directions, used the script, jumped through all the "training" hoops, but to no avail. The most enrollments I've ever had was one month, over a year ago, when I ended the month with 7, after following all directions to be pushier... and only 1 started, and dropped a week into class, stating it wasn't what she was promised.

Why did I stay? 2 reasons: first, I needed the money. Admissions advisors get paid pretty well - better than customer service, anyway. (I hate to admit it, but everybody has to make a living...) Secondly, I'd heard toward the end of '05, with AIU's accreditation being threatened, that the winds would be changing, and Admissions would be the SERVICE it was supposed to be.

And, indeed, early '06 brought a new "service" culture... our quotas were lowered, and the concept of "servicing" our students meant to focus on what they really needed, and what fit them. For the first time, I could tell a student that I didn't feel was a good fit for the school that I could not give them my recommendation to the university! (Hooray!)

I'd seen too many students enrolled for all the wrong reasons, or sometimes NO reason. I really felt better about what we did, and the feedback we got on the status of our probation sounded good - the Commission on Colleges of the Southern Association of Colleges and Schools liked the changes they were seeing in our procedures. Then, things began to shift a little.

This summer, pressure began to build again. "There's no shame in getting as many enrollments as we can. We are a for-profit university. Besides, we can't service students if we don't have students." Enrollments were slowly shifting back to the forefront. ("Service" began to mean "to enroll and make them start".) Comments started to be made to those of us who still showed the signs of effort - dials, appointments, completed interviews ("CI's", formerly COW's) - but didn't enroll many due to reasons of the best interest of the students.

Our fresh leads seemed to become fewer and fewer daily, and the ones we got were disconnected numbers, wrong numbers, or people who'd requested info long ago and had since moved on. But yet, we were still expected to pull enrollments out of nowhere. Then, a little creative digging found the truth... there is, indeed, a system in place. As the pressure was put on the university as a whole, pressure is now on the advisors to enroll - BUT - not all advisors' lead banks are created equal.

Directors of Admissions were instructed, from "On High" to only give the best leads to their favored advisors. And, the creme de la creme of leads only went to the best teams. So, when it felt to some of us as though we weren't as good as others, when we're praised for how wonderful we sound on the phone, how wonderful we interact with our students, yet we weren't getting the results, it seems that it wasn't OUR fault, but rather the wheels to a bigger plan had begun to turn.

As someone mentioned in an earlier post, there was a rollout at the beginning of this month of 500 "corrective action" plans - that is, miraculously, upper management has found EXACTLY 500 admissions advisors not "doing their jobs". And those people (myself included) are told to get working and jump through their hoops to find 6 enrollments by the end of the month, or further action, up to and including termination, will be taken. This is offensive to some of us - I maintain roughly 300 dials, about 2 1/2 hours of talk time, 3-4 appointments daily - to have disciplinary action taken against us, when we know we've deliberately been given nothing to work with.

I truly do care about my students. I don't enroll many, but my last 3 starts I've had 100% start rate with 100% student retention for those starts as it stands now. That's the only thing that saved me from being put on a "final warning" this month, I'm told. Since I only enrolled 1 this month, and have only 1 student for the February 11 start date, I fear that I'll be shown the door by the end of next month. This saddens me, but not for myself. For my students, who still call me every month to say hello, and tell me how they're doing. I took the "advisor" title seriously. How are they going to feel in March when I'm not there when they call for me? Will the next advisor care about them the way they deserve?

As for the Regional accreditation that "supposedly" we're so proud to tell our students that we have, there is documentation not meant for employees' eyes stating that AIU is NOT anticipating getting off of probation. In fact, they are clearly looking into the same National accreditation being held by our sister-school, CTU, as, apparently, that particular accreditation and accrediting body isn't as stringent with their standards for Admissions' procedures - so a high pressure, used car salesman-like "what can we do to get you into this education today" attitude is looked at with a blind eye. Also, there is some speculation that CEC will merge AIU into CTU altogether, as far as the online campuses are concerned, anyway.

To AIU online students who have had bad experiences with us, I apologize, as you deserve to be apologized to. To those students who've been successful and had good experiences in our online campus, I extend my congratulations, because I know you worked hard. Admissions practices are one thing, but what happens in the virtual classroom and the work you put in to get your degree is quite another. I wish all our students the best.

I am searching for my next job with mixed emotions. Part of me feels bad that this job didn't turn out like I'd hoped, but the other part knows I can be proud because I know that no matter what *I* have always been ethical, and I tried my best. I know this has been long-winded, but hopefully, someone will be helped by the truth. Thanks for reading this.
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#69 UPDATE Employee

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AUTHOR: Raven - (U.S.A.)

Hello everyone.

I've read this thread from start to finish, and I was compelled to add my "two cents". Actually, it may be more than that... I have been a "National Admissions Advisor" at AIU Online for almost 2 years, and have struggled with my job from the day I walked into the crash-course week of training we were given back then.

First of all, just so you know what I'm about, I have a strong customer service background. Any job I've ever held has been all about helping people and getting someone in a position to make their lives better. When I heard of openings for Admissions Advisor for an online university, I thought it'd be a wonderful opportunity for me to assist people, who might not otherwise have the time, transportation, or freedom in their daily lives, to get back to school, get a degree, and give themselves opportunities to advance. I thought all my customer service experience would make me a star advisor. Plus, I'd have the opportunity to go back to school and get my Bachelors degree, which I hadn't had the time in my own life to pursue. I found out in short order I was wrong... on both counts, unfortunately.

When I started, I was expected to make no less than 150-175 outbound dials a day, have as close to 4 hours of talk time as possible, and get as close to the goal of 10 appointments (for a second interview with prospective students), 2 "COWs" (Contract On the Way), and 1 enrollment. We were strongly encouraged to get 2 enrollments by Tuesday of every week, or we were falling behind.

I heard my co-workers saying all kinds of things to students, from promising grants, guarantees of specific salary amounts, insults ("How can you tuck your children in at night knowing that you're failing them without a degree...") - just to get the enrollment or "save" a student. There was such a high pressure environment that it fostered dishonesty not only in what was said to prospective students, but also to whether or not an enrolled student was a real live individual, or just a fake name and fabricated Social Security number.

Now, in spite of the fact that I made routinely over 300 dials a day or more, sometimes going through my whole lead bank and starting over, a day with 4 appointments set was big for me. I couldn't figure out what I was doing wrong. I followed directions, used the script, jumped through all the "training" hoops, but to no avail. The most enrollments I've ever had was one month, over a year ago, when I ended the month with 7, after following all directions to be pushier... and only 1 started, and dropped a week into class, stating it wasn't what she was promised.

Why did I stay? 2 reasons: first, I needed the money. Admissions advisors get paid pretty well - better than customer service, anyway. (I hate to admit it, but everybody has to make a living...) Secondly, I'd heard toward the end of '05, with AIU's accreditation being threatened, that the winds would be changing, and Admissions would be the SERVICE it was supposed to be.

And, indeed, early '06 brought a new "service" culture... our quotas were lowered, and the concept of "servicing" our students meant to focus on what they really needed, and what fit them. For the first time, I could tell a student that I didn't feel was a good fit for the school that I could not give them my recommendation to the university! (Hooray!)

I'd seen too many students enrolled for all the wrong reasons, or sometimes NO reason. I really felt better about what we did, and the feedback we got on the status of our probation sounded good - the Commission on Colleges of the Southern Association of Colleges and Schools liked the changes they were seeing in our procedures. Then, things began to shift a little.

This summer, pressure began to build again. "There's no shame in getting as many enrollments as we can. We are a for-profit university. Besides, we can't service students if we don't have students." Enrollments were slowly shifting back to the forefront. ("Service" began to mean "to enroll and make them start".) Comments started to be made to those of us who still showed the signs of effort - dials, appointments, completed interviews ("CI's", formerly COW's) - but didn't enroll many due to reasons of the best interest of the students.

Our fresh leads seemed to become fewer and fewer daily, and the ones we got were disconnected numbers, wrong numbers, or people who'd requested info long ago and had since moved on. But yet, we were still expected to pull enrollments out of nowhere. Then, a little creative digging found the truth... there is, indeed, a system in place. As the pressure was put on the university as a whole, pressure is now on the advisors to enroll - BUT - not all advisors' lead banks are created equal.

Directors of Admissions were instructed, from "On High" to only give the best leads to their favored advisors. And, the creme de la creme of leads only went to the best teams. So, when it felt to some of us as though we weren't as good as others, when we're praised for how wonderful we sound on the phone, how wonderful we interact with our students, yet we weren't getting the results, it seems that it wasn't OUR fault, but rather the wheels to a bigger plan had begun to turn.

As someone mentioned in an earlier post, there was a rollout at the beginning of this month of 500 "corrective action" plans - that is, miraculously, upper management has found EXACTLY 500 admissions advisors not "doing their jobs". And those people (myself included) are told to get working and jump through their hoops to find 6 enrollments by the end of the month, or further action, up to and including termination, will be taken. This is offensive to some of us - I maintain roughly 300 dials, about 2 1/2 hours of talk time, 3-4 appointments daily - to have disciplinary action taken against us, when we know we've deliberately been given nothing to work with.

I truly do care about my students. I don't enroll many, but my last 3 starts I've had 100% start rate with 100% student retention for those starts as it stands now. That's the only thing that saved me from being put on a "final warning" this month, I'm told. Since I only enrolled 1 this month, and have only 1 student for the February 11 start date, I fear that I'll be shown the door by the end of next month. This saddens me, but not for myself. For my students, who still call me every month to say hello, and tell me how they're doing. I took the "advisor" title seriously. How are they going to feel in March when I'm not there when they call for me? Will the next advisor care about them the way they deserve?

As for the Regional accreditation that "supposedly" we're so proud to tell our students that we have, there is documentation not meant for employees' eyes stating that AIU is NOT anticipating getting off of probation. In fact, they are clearly looking into the same National accreditation being held by our sister-school, CTU, as, apparently, that particular accreditation and accrediting body isn't as stringent with their standards for Admissions' procedures - so a high pressure, used car salesman-like "what can we do to get you into this education today" attitude is looked at with a blind eye. Also, there is some speculation that CEC will merge AIU into CTU altogether, as far as the online campuses are concerned, anyway.

To AIU online students who have had bad experiences with us, I apologize, as you deserve to be apologized to. To those students who've been successful and had good experiences in our online campus, I extend my congratulations, because I know you worked hard. Admissions practices are one thing, but what happens in the virtual classroom and the work you put in to get your degree is quite another. I wish all our students the best.

I am searching for my next job with mixed emotions. Part of me feels bad that this job didn't turn out like I'd hoped, but the other part knows I can be proud because I know that no matter what *I* have always been ethical, and I tried my best. I know this has been long-winded, but hopefully, someone will be helped by the truth. Thanks for reading this.
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#70 UPDATE Employee

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AUTHOR: Raven - (U.S.A.)

Hello everyone.

I've read this thread from start to finish, and I was compelled to add my "two cents". Actually, it may be more than that... I have been a "National Admissions Advisor" at AIU Online for almost 2 years, and have struggled with my job from the day I walked into the crash-course week of training we were given back then.

First of all, just so you know what I'm about, I have a strong customer service background. Any job I've ever held has been all about helping people and getting someone in a position to make their lives better. When I heard of openings for Admissions Advisor for an online university, I thought it'd be a wonderful opportunity for me to assist people, who might not otherwise have the time, transportation, or freedom in their daily lives, to get back to school, get a degree, and give themselves opportunities to advance. I thought all my customer service experience would make me a star advisor. Plus, I'd have the opportunity to go back to school and get my Bachelors degree, which I hadn't had the time in my own life to pursue. I found out in short order I was wrong... on both counts, unfortunately.

When I started, I was expected to make no less than 150-175 outbound dials a day, have as close to 4 hours of talk time as possible, and get as close to the goal of 10 appointments (for a second interview with prospective students), 2 "COWs" (Contract On the Way), and 1 enrollment. We were strongly encouraged to get 2 enrollments by Tuesday of every week, or we were falling behind.

I heard my co-workers saying all kinds of things to students, from promising grants, guarantees of specific salary amounts, insults ("How can you tuck your children in at night knowing that you're failing them without a degree...") - just to get the enrollment or "save" a student. There was such a high pressure environment that it fostered dishonesty not only in what was said to prospective students, but also to whether or not an enrolled student was a real live individual, or just a fake name and fabricated Social Security number.

Now, in spite of the fact that I made routinely over 300 dials a day or more, sometimes going through my whole lead bank and starting over, a day with 4 appointments set was big for me. I couldn't figure out what I was doing wrong. I followed directions, used the script, jumped through all the "training" hoops, but to no avail. The most enrollments I've ever had was one month, over a year ago, when I ended the month with 7, after following all directions to be pushier... and only 1 started, and dropped a week into class, stating it wasn't what she was promised.

Why did I stay? 2 reasons: first, I needed the money. Admissions advisors get paid pretty well - better than customer service, anyway. (I hate to admit it, but everybody has to make a living...) Secondly, I'd heard toward the end of '05, with AIU's accreditation being threatened, that the winds would be changing, and Admissions would be the SERVICE it was supposed to be.

And, indeed, early '06 brought a new "service" culture... our quotas were lowered, and the concept of "servicing" our students meant to focus on what they really needed, and what fit them. For the first time, I could tell a student that I didn't feel was a good fit for the school that I could not give them my recommendation to the university! (Hooray!)

I'd seen too many students enrolled for all the wrong reasons, or sometimes NO reason. I really felt better about what we did, and the feedback we got on the status of our probation sounded good - the Commission on Colleges of the Southern Association of Colleges and Schools liked the changes they were seeing in our procedures. Then, things began to shift a little.

This summer, pressure began to build again. "There's no shame in getting as many enrollments as we can. We are a for-profit university. Besides, we can't service students if we don't have students." Enrollments were slowly shifting back to the forefront. ("Service" began to mean "to enroll and make them start".) Comments started to be made to those of us who still showed the signs of effort - dials, appointments, completed interviews ("CI's", formerly COW's) - but didn't enroll many due to reasons of the best interest of the students.

Our fresh leads seemed to become fewer and fewer daily, and the ones we got were disconnected numbers, wrong numbers, or people who'd requested info long ago and had since moved on. But yet, we were still expected to pull enrollments out of nowhere. Then, a little creative digging found the truth... there is, indeed, a system in place. As the pressure was put on the university as a whole, pressure is now on the advisors to enroll - BUT - not all advisors' lead banks are created equal.

Directors of Admissions were instructed, from "On High" to only give the best leads to their favored advisors. And, the creme de la creme of leads only went to the best teams. So, when it felt to some of us as though we weren't as good as others, when we're praised for how wonderful we sound on the phone, how wonderful we interact with our students, yet we weren't getting the results, it seems that it wasn't OUR fault, but rather the wheels to a bigger plan had begun to turn.

As someone mentioned in an earlier post, there was a rollout at the beginning of this month of 500 "corrective action" plans - that is, miraculously, upper management has found EXACTLY 500 admissions advisors not "doing their jobs". And those people (myself included) are told to get working and jump through their hoops to find 6 enrollments by the end of the month, or further action, up to and including termination, will be taken. This is offensive to some of us - I maintain roughly 300 dials, about 2 1/2 hours of talk time, 3-4 appointments daily - to have disciplinary action taken against us, when we know we've deliberately been given nothing to work with.

I truly do care about my students. I don't enroll many, but my last 3 starts I've had 100% start rate with 100% student retention for those starts as it stands now. That's the only thing that saved me from being put on a "final warning" this month, I'm told. Since I only enrolled 1 this month, and have only 1 student for the February 11 start date, I fear that I'll be shown the door by the end of next month. This saddens me, but not for myself. For my students, who still call me every month to say hello, and tell me how they're doing. I took the "advisor" title seriously. How are they going to feel in March when I'm not there when they call for me? Will the next advisor care about them the way they deserve?

As for the Regional accreditation that "supposedly" we're so proud to tell our students that we have, there is documentation not meant for employees' eyes stating that AIU is NOT anticipating getting off of probation. In fact, they are clearly looking into the same National accreditation being held by our sister-school, CTU, as, apparently, that particular accreditation and accrediting body isn't as stringent with their standards for Admissions' procedures - so a high pressure, used car salesman-like "what can we do to get you into this education today" attitude is looked at with a blind eye. Also, there is some speculation that CEC will merge AIU into CTU altogether, as far as the online campuses are concerned, anyway.

To AIU online students who have had bad experiences with us, I apologize, as you deserve to be apologized to. To those students who've been successful and had good experiences in our online campus, I extend my congratulations, because I know you worked hard. Admissions practices are one thing, but what happens in the virtual classroom and the work you put in to get your degree is quite another. I wish all our students the best.

I am searching for my next job with mixed emotions. Part of me feels bad that this job didn't turn out like I'd hoped, but the other part knows I can be proud because I know that no matter what *I* have always been ethical, and I tried my best. I know this has been long-winded, but hopefully, someone will be helped by the truth. Thanks for reading this.
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#71 UPDATE Employee

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AUTHOR: Raven - (U.S.A.)

Hello everyone.

I've read this thread from start to finish, and I was compelled to add my "two cents". Actually, it may be more than that... I have been a "National Admissions Advisor" at AIU Online for almost 2 years, and have struggled with my job from the day I walked into the crash-course week of training we were given back then.

First of all, just so you know what I'm about, I have a strong customer service background. Any job I've ever held has been all about helping people and getting someone in a position to make their lives better. When I heard of openings for Admissions Advisor for an online university, I thought it'd be a wonderful opportunity for me to assist people, who might not otherwise have the time, transportation, or freedom in their daily lives, to get back to school, get a degree, and give themselves opportunities to advance. I thought all my customer service experience would make me a star advisor. Plus, I'd have the opportunity to go back to school and get my Bachelors degree, which I hadn't had the time in my own life to pursue. I found out in short order I was wrong... on both counts, unfortunately.

When I started, I was expected to make no less than 150-175 outbound dials a day, have as close to 4 hours of talk time as possible, and get as close to the goal of 10 appointments (for a second interview with prospective students), 2 "COWs" (Contract On the Way), and 1 enrollment. We were strongly encouraged to get 2 enrollments by Tuesday of every week, or we were falling behind.

I heard my co-workers saying all kinds of things to students, from promising grants, guarantees of specific salary amounts, insults ("How can you tuck your children in at night knowing that you're failing them without a degree...") - just to get the enrollment or "save" a student. There was such a high pressure environment that it fostered dishonesty not only in what was said to prospective students, but also to whether or not an enrolled student was a real live individual, or just a fake name and fabricated Social Security number.

Now, in spite of the fact that I made routinely over 300 dials a day or more, sometimes going through my whole lead bank and starting over, a day with 4 appointments set was big for me. I couldn't figure out what I was doing wrong. I followed directions, used the script, jumped through all the "training" hoops, but to no avail. The most enrollments I've ever had was one month, over a year ago, when I ended the month with 7, after following all directions to be pushier... and only 1 started, and dropped a week into class, stating it wasn't what she was promised.

Why did I stay? 2 reasons: first, I needed the money. Admissions advisors get paid pretty well - better than customer service, anyway. (I hate to admit it, but everybody has to make a living...) Secondly, I'd heard toward the end of '05, with AIU's accreditation being threatened, that the winds would be changing, and Admissions would be the SERVICE it was supposed to be.

And, indeed, early '06 brought a new "service" culture... our quotas were lowered, and the concept of "servicing" our students meant to focus on what they really needed, and what fit them. For the first time, I could tell a student that I didn't feel was a good fit for the school that I could not give them my recommendation to the university! (Hooray!)

I'd seen too many students enrolled for all the wrong reasons, or sometimes NO reason. I really felt better about what we did, and the feedback we got on the status of our probation sounded good - the Commission on Colleges of the Southern Association of Colleges and Schools liked the changes they were seeing in our procedures. Then, things began to shift a little.

This summer, pressure began to build again. "There's no shame in getting as many enrollments as we can. We are a for-profit university. Besides, we can't service students if we don't have students." Enrollments were slowly shifting back to the forefront. ("Service" began to mean "to enroll and make them start".) Comments started to be made to those of us who still showed the signs of effort - dials, appointments, completed interviews ("CI's", formerly COW's) - but didn't enroll many due to reasons of the best interest of the students.

Our fresh leads seemed to become fewer and fewer daily, and the ones we got were disconnected numbers, wrong numbers, or people who'd requested info long ago and had since moved on. But yet, we were still expected to pull enrollments out of nowhere. Then, a little creative digging found the truth... there is, indeed, a system in place. As the pressure was put on the university as a whole, pressure is now on the advisors to enroll - BUT - not all advisors' lead banks are created equal.

Directors of Admissions were instructed, from "On High" to only give the best leads to their favored advisors. And, the creme de la creme of leads only went to the best teams. So, when it felt to some of us as though we weren't as good as others, when we're praised for how wonderful we sound on the phone, how wonderful we interact with our students, yet we weren't getting the results, it seems that it wasn't OUR fault, but rather the wheels to a bigger plan had begun to turn.

As someone mentioned in an earlier post, there was a rollout at the beginning of this month of 500 "corrective action" plans - that is, miraculously, upper management has found EXACTLY 500 admissions advisors not "doing their jobs". And those people (myself included) are told to get working and jump through their hoops to find 6 enrollments by the end of the month, or further action, up to and including termination, will be taken. This is offensive to some of us - I maintain roughly 300 dials, about 2 1/2 hours of talk time, 3-4 appointments daily - to have disciplinary action taken against us, when we know we've deliberately been given nothing to work with.

I truly do care about my students. I don't enroll many, but my last 3 starts I've had 100% start rate with 100% student retention for those starts as it stands now. That's the only thing that saved me from being put on a "final warning" this month, I'm told. Since I only enrolled 1 this month, and have only 1 student for the February 11 start date, I fear that I'll be shown the door by the end of next month. This saddens me, but not for myself. For my students, who still call me every month to say hello, and tell me how they're doing. I took the "advisor" title seriously. How are they going to feel in March when I'm not there when they call for me? Will the next advisor care about them the way they deserve?

As for the Regional accreditation that "supposedly" we're so proud to tell our students that we have, there is documentation not meant for employees' eyes stating that AIU is NOT anticipating getting off of probation. In fact, they are clearly looking into the same National accreditation being held by our sister-school, CTU, as, apparently, that particular accreditation and accrediting body isn't as stringent with their standards for Admissions' procedures - so a high pressure, used car salesman-like "what can we do to get you into this education today" attitude is looked at with a blind eye. Also, there is some speculation that CEC will merge AIU into CTU altogether, as far as the online campuses are concerned, anyway.

To AIU online students who have had bad experiences with us, I apologize, as you deserve to be apologized to. To those students who've been successful and had good experiences in our online campus, I extend my congratulations, because I know you worked hard. Admissions practices are one thing, but what happens in the virtual classroom and the work you put in to get your degree is quite another. I wish all our students the best.

I am searching for my next job with mixed emotions. Part of me feels bad that this job didn't turn out like I'd hoped, but the other part knows I can be proud because I know that no matter what *I* have always been ethical, and I tried my best. I know this has been long-winded, but hopefully, someone will be helped by the truth. Thanks for reading this.
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#72 Consumer Suggestion

looking at the big picture......

AUTHOR: Nadine - (U.S.A.)

Sandy,

WHY don't you take this ?warning letter? circulated after the ?town hall meeting?, other people of same interest and perhaps a copy of your ?employment discloser form? (if they have it) and take it to the proper authority. Better yet make it public in the media, the attorney general, and the board of education.

Whatever they expected of you and consequently the treatment you received is no more then a reverse of most complains by students. They got you baited the same way you been expected to bait students. Only different?..while you are looking for employment now the very students that you filled your quota with are fighting for there financial independence for the rest of there life.

CEC/AIU is claiming enrollment numbers are always up. Not surprising considering their FA (cash cow # one) thru the government by simply guiding perspective students to obtain a FASFA application for FA. Ones the student (cash cow # two) receives FA they are accepted no matter what their financial, living, or future situation is. Take that away and enrollment goes down which would make them private with NO FA from the government therefore keeping people in pursued of a better future away.

CEC/AIU has one thing going in the legal department by sliding just barley by being illegal and therefore accountable for their deceit and fraudulent methods of operation in the name of greed, profit, and EDUCATION.

After already paying thousands in self payments and other loans to CEC/AIU many still face another hurdle namely their defaulted student loans which according to Student Loan Justice have become the most profitable, uncompetitive, oppressive, and predatory type of debt in the USA.

In 1997, under intense lobbying from student loan companies, The Higher Education Act (HEA) was amended, and defaulted student loans became among the most lucrative, and easiest to collect type of debt.

These amendments allow for huge penalties and fees to be attached to defaulted student loan debt, take away bankruptcy protection for student borrowers, disallow refinancing of the debt, and also provide for draconian collection and punitive measures to be taken against student borrowers, including wage garnishment, tax garnishment, withholding of professional certifications, termination from employment , social security garnishment, and others.

Further, according to Harvard Professor Elizabeth Warren in a Wall Street Journal piece by John Hechinger, "Student-loan debt collectors have power that would make a mobster envious."

So you had a bad day quit complaining be grateful you only spend 5 month in that boiler-room, STAND UP, UNITE and DUE SOMETHING. Many will thank you later then nobody is without reason?..It is clear that many have grievances on both sites.
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#73 UPDATE Employee

JUST GOT FIRED TODAY

AUTHOR: Sandy - (U.S.A.)

I have been an employee for CEC for 5 months and today I got fired for not making my enrollment numbers for the month of January. so much for it not being about the numbers. I worked like 60
hours a week and did everything I could. I don't know how some people do it. It is not my fault the university is on probation. we had a town hall meeting last week with the president. what a flake and they have sent warning letters to 500 advisors that they will be fired if they don't hit there numbers. if someone does not want to go to college it is not my fault.


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#74 UPDATE Employee

JUST GOT FIRED TODAY

AUTHOR: Sandy - (U.S.A.)

I have been an employee for CEC for 5 months and today I got fired for not making my enrollment numbers for the month of January. so much for it not being about the numbers. I worked like 60
hours a week and did everything I could. I don't know how some people do it. It is not my fault the university is on probation. we had a town hall meeting last week with the president. what a flake and they have sent warning letters to 500 advisors that they will be fired if they don't hit there numbers. if someone does not want to go to college it is not my fault.


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#75 UPDATE Employee

JUST GOT FIRED TODAY

AUTHOR: Sandy - (U.S.A.)

I have been an employee for CEC for 5 months and today I got fired for not making my enrollment numbers for the month of January. so much for it not being about the numbers. I worked like 60
hours a week and did everything I could. I don't know how some people do it. It is not my fault the university is on probation. we had a town hall meeting last week with the president. what a flake and they have sent warning letters to 500 advisors that they will be fired if they don't hit there numbers. if someone does not want to go to college it is not my fault.


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#76 UPDATE Employee

JUST GOT FIRED TODAY

AUTHOR: Sandy - (U.S.A.)

I have been an employee for CEC for 5 months and today I got fired for not making my enrollment numbers for the month of January. so much for it not being about the numbers. I worked like 60
hours a week and did everything I could. I don't know how some people do it. It is not my fault the university is on probation. we had a town hall meeting last week with the president. what a flake and they have sent warning letters to 500 advisors that they will be fired if they don't hit there numbers. if someone does not want to go to college it is not my fault.


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#77 Consumer Comment

GET A LIFE!!!

AUTHOR: Nadine - (U.S.A.)

Nadine wrote?.
As far as being excused making typos or being inadequate I have to say that this is not the issue hear yet I like to add that I am a foreigner and came 22 years ago (legal) without any language knowledge to this country which I have made my home. Today I am proud to be in this country.

Beth wrote?..in her blatant illiteracy response

?Looks like you had no rebuttle (correction, rebuttal) as to why you are preaching that you are "NOT" an American, yet using American financial aide monies to take advantage of our system and than wondering why FA "ripped" you off. As far as I am concerned YOUR countries government should be paying your way through school. Not ours.

Alo in your past posting...Deceipt (deceit), lying, undertrained (under-trained), overpaid management morons?.

Beth? GET A LIFE!!!

If you claim to be so intelligent than you would at least research before running your deceitful, lying, and uninformed mouth. YOU are MISSING the POINT again??

1.FA is not ripping me or anybody off since the government in his FASFA application is making prospective students aware of paying back there student loans and I am paying back every penny barrowed on my behalf from AIU.

2. No problem on that part yet it is AIU that is scamming the student with fraudulent claims. When it is all said and done cost of semesters (classes) don't coincide with the claims AIU is making to the students or on there website.

3.Due the math?..before enrollment and by sending past credits AIU will tell you fraudulently that these credits are accepted since you are NOT students yet!!!! After enrollment AIU will claim that past or all credits are NOT accepted and therefore FA is not enough to cover expenses. In return AIU will add extra credit classes and challenge test to the student package and by extreme duress fraudulently with promissory notes, self-payments, and others loans force said student to remain in school.

The result ?.. after graduation most students have already paid thousands of Dollars to AIU and now paying off there student loans. That is the only BEEF I have regarding AIU since it is done by AIU FA-department.

In closing FYI Beth?..I have the same right to obtain FA then every natural born citizen and DON'T PLAY the ?NOT an American card? rather being annoyed by your hateful preaching without no substance to this site which in return deserves absolutely no further rebuttal to you
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#78 UPDATE EX-employee responds

aiu

AUTHOR: Bradley - (U.S.A.)

robin,

if i were trying to save you from a life long mistake i would say something along the lines of, "whatever you do, do not go to work for this company." aren't you appreciative of the fact you have all the facts of this company, not only the storybook fantasies that management brainwashes its employees and prospective students with?

your positive experience with the university is a rare one. although, you don't mention exactly what field in accounting you are going into or what company you are now working for. those would be helpful in determining if you actually are headed in the right direction. congrats either way, you sound satisfied with your education.

what a horrible company. what a horrible school. while your resume says you graduated from AIU, mine says i worked there. what's worse i do not know.
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#79 UPDATE EX-employee responds

WHAT A BUNCH OF LOSERS

AUTHOR: Beth - (U.S.A.)

"Go Carlos...Go Carlos..." Um first off Carmen, the saying "Go anyone" was out in about 1990 so why don't you try getting with the times.

Dirc, what a sweetie, I am beautiful and extremely intelligent, and thank you for the compliments.

I will keep this short and sweet.
To whoever made a comment about being a military man. Of course you don't care how much AIU/CTU online costs, you dont pay for it, the rest of the tax payers do. So I am not surprised that you are a GI # 16 rank or whatever you were rambling off. Keep using your government earned money and wasting it on this crap, instead of utlizing it somewhere where you actually might learn something. Also, is there a reason you had to write my name in every sentence? It sounds like your becoming a bit obsessed. Get off the military drugs and come back to reality.

2nd, to whoever claims that CTU is a "brick and mortar" school, with "real walls" a real building...GREAT!!! I never claimed to know ANYTHING about anyother portion of the school but the online portion. Please read my responses before wasting my time.

Nadine,
Looks like you had no rebuttle as to why you are preaching that you are "NOT" an American, yet using American financial aide monies to take advantage of our system and than wondering why FA "ripped" you off. As far as I am concerned YOUR countries government should be paying your way through school. Not ours.

Bottom line the school is complete GARBAGE, I have nothing to gain out of lying to you. I am just letting you know facts, I stand by them. I was there first hand to witness countless acts of deceipt, lying, undertrained, overpaid management morons. Some who actually would stand outside the building in Hoffman Estates and smoke up. Although most of you probably see nothing wrong with this, as it is probably the reason you did not finish school the first time around.
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#80 UPDATE EX-employee responds

WHAT A BUNCH OF LOSERS

AUTHOR: Beth - (U.S.A.)

"Go Carlos...Go Carlos..." Um first off Carmen, the saying "Go anyone" was out in about 1990 so why don't you try getting with the times.

Dirc, what a sweetie, I am beautiful and extremely intelligent, and thank you for the compliments.

I will keep this short and sweet.
To whoever made a comment about being a military man. Of course you don't care how much AIU/CTU online costs, you dont pay for it, the rest of the tax payers do. So I am not surprised that you are a GI # 16 rank or whatever you were rambling off. Keep using your government earned money and wasting it on this crap, instead of utlizing it somewhere where you actually might learn something. Also, is there a reason you had to write my name in every sentence? It sounds like your becoming a bit obsessed. Get off the military drugs and come back to reality.

2nd, to whoever claims that CTU is a "brick and mortar" school, with "real walls" a real building...GREAT!!! I never claimed to know ANYTHING about anyother portion of the school but the online portion. Please read my responses before wasting my time.

Nadine,
Looks like you had no rebuttle as to why you are preaching that you are "NOT" an American, yet using American financial aide monies to take advantage of our system and than wondering why FA "ripped" you off. As far as I am concerned YOUR countries government should be paying your way through school. Not ours.

Bottom line the school is complete GARBAGE, I have nothing to gain out of lying to you. I am just letting you know facts, I stand by them. I was there first hand to witness countless acts of deceipt, lying, undertrained, overpaid management morons. Some who actually would stand outside the building in Hoffman Estates and smoke up. Although most of you probably see nothing wrong with this, as it is probably the reason you did not finish school the first time around.
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#81 Consumer Comment

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AUTHOR: Robin - (U.S.A.)

Okay, first of all, I do agree that it seemed easy to get into AIU. However, they are not the only school that I attended in my lifetime, and it wasn't difficult for me to get accepted at the others.

I needed to go back to school for myself, just so I can complete my degree-I had unfinished business. I am one of those people who worked full-time and a mother to a young child, it was inconcievable for me to attend a campus. Yes, I picked AIU over others and I've been content in my decision.

I will admit, I wondered if I would be viewed differently by those who graduated from a typical campus versus an online experience. But I got my answer. I graduated in December 2006 with my BA in Accounting. I became unemployed just before graduation, my choice. It is January and I just recieved a job that is following my career path that I wouldn't have been considered if it wasn't for my degree. They accepted the school that I attended and my degree.

Okay, well I am back at AIU and working on my Master's. I know for a fact that my loans are going to bring me an "eye popping" experience, but for what it is worth, it turned out to be the best thing in my life.

One more thing, I worked for many different companies and everywhere you go there's politics. There will always be negative comments in a crowd of positive people. I remember reading blogs about some of the companies I worked for and I would see negative comments and postive comments. Many people who posted something negative must have a lot of hatred in them to want to go out and try to hurt others. I also noticed that most of them are "EX-Employees". Beware of ex-employees, they may have been caught conducting unethical practices and are trying to get back at the company for loosing their job by posting negative comments acting as if they are trying to save you from a life of misery.

By-the-way, Texas State University, AKA SWT was always known as the "Party School". Many employers (at one time) chosed not to hire students from this school because of the reputation. It was difficult for the ones who truely went to get an education to turn around and get a promising job. Don't post nonsense without thinking of the consequences.

Sincerely,

AIU Consumer-Robin of Texas
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#82 UPDATE EX-employee responds

you have no idea what youre talking about

AUTHOR: Bradley - (U.S.A.)

Steve,

you said you have owned three different businesses in your lifetime. at any point during the lifecycle of these three businesses were they publically traded companies? my guess would be absolutely not. you talk about the only difference between profit vs. non profit being in the "bookkeeping", which is complete nonsense and holds no water in this thread of arguments.

1. because aiu is owned by ceco which is a publically traded company their accounting practices are far beyond the grasp of what you consider to be the main difference between a for profit school and a not for profit school.


2. they are not run by a traditional board of directors, or well respected academic officials. the major corporation is run by business men and women. at a non-profit traditional school the major concern is their academic reputation. arguments can made that aiu's major concern is the same, i believe this to be false. when corners can be cut in business they will be.

3. don't go to a school where anyone can get in. mainly, because if you attend that school you arent special.

4. if aiu or ctu are the only schools you were accepted to...go there.

5. don't go to a school that has been put on probation. it makes sense to go to a school that has not been on probation.
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#83 UPDATE EX-employee responds

Personal experience

AUTHOR: K - (U.S.A.)

I also searched for an online degree and stepped in AIUs trap. They told me all the propaganda about how they are accredited and I will get my degree fast. My first suspicion was when each 3 week class was worth 9 credit hours. I busted my behind studying and was about to graduate and I was told I could not come to the graduation ceremony at the university. My graduation ceremony would be in a chat room. 13 months and $30K later I graduated with honors. I felt a little under whelmed and felt that I got ripped off, but wasn't sure. It became clear when I tried to enroll in a local universities masters program. They told me they didn't recognize my BS degree. It was non-traditional". I then started trying to apply for jobs I was qualified for now that I had a degree and got many rejections. One rejection specifically said that they did not recognize my degree and wouldn't accept it. I am looking for others who were duped by AIu to file a class acion law suit and get our money back for the worthless degree.
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#84 Consumer Comment

For Profit vs Non Profit and Online college postings

AUTHOR: Steve - (U.S.A.)

AFter expending hundreds of hours researching onlione college programs and reading posts, I will say this; most people have no idea what accreditation is or emans or the difference between national vs regional.

There is good & abd in everything in life.

Life is what you make of it.

I can go on with statements thata pply everywhere in life..

Point is, most people have no idea that ALL BUSINESSES (for profit or no profit) HAVE TO OPERATE with incoming cashflow and income or none of them would be in business. That is business. it is the IRS gdesignation theya cquire to hold the 501(c)3 status, and in relaity, they show no NET PROFIT at eyar end. HOw do they do that? Well, mostly by showing various administrative salaries and other oeprational costs inflated at very high rates to absord the excess profits incoming, so at year end they show no net profit.

Sure there is more to it, but as a man who has owned 3 separate business in my life, not even having a "formal" college degree (I possess technical diploma and other educational courses), it amazes me how stupid so many truly are to the real workings of the world or the fact the USA is a capitalistic society and NOTHING works without profit or income incoming.

ALL UNIVERSITIES are in business to MAKE MONEY period! Online, offline, correspondence, etc...

Ther argumnent about nonprofit are better than for profit is a worthless statement! Those terms apply to the bookkeeping structure of the organization and nothing more! ALL BUSINESSES (yes all colleges are businesses) MUST have income flow and cashflow or theyc to exist...
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#85 Consumer Suggestion

Get Over It

AUTHOR: Chandra - (U.S.A.)

A simple solution that I have learned the hard way is to research the school very thoroughly before attending. AIU is in danger of losing their "accredited" status because of their behavior and has been on probation through SACS for years now.

You can boast you attended AIU and received a degree, doubled your income- more power to you. You cannot boast you received that degree from an accredited school. In fact, since I am quite knowledgeable of the employee hiring for companies- most do not check the actual degree received. They take your word for it.

If you have the knowledge that is great, it ensures you will have a job when your review comes up because you have proven that you have the skills necessary to perform your job. What really blows my mind is how a graduate of AIU can act so childish as to result to name calling and being nasty when someone is just voicing their own experience with AIU.

Maybe you should read more before you jump to conclusions, or in the very least handle yourself a little more tactfully. It seems strange that you have been receiving nice paychecks fo rthe last 10 years and enjoying your job when you have only worked there 6 months.

Anyway, I have also pondered the fact that the satisfied students may be AIU employees trying to cover up a very bleak problem. I am a student that is not satisfied and have researched the issue very thoroughly. Anything here should be taken with a grain of salt.

In the least schools should be researched through the company they are accredited with, the Department of Education, and professional sources. For those disgruntled AIU employees, I know it is not easy to just quit and find another job for everyone, but there can be action taken against you for slandering the company you work for.

I saw this happen in a recent lawsuit on the news. Everyone should have the right to voice their opinion but unlike "Get Over It" students, tactful and respectful opinions such as the employee's are more accepted than that of a childish "smacktalker".
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carlos cec is not aiu

AUTHOR: Scott - (U.S.A.)

Carlos u must either be naive or just haven't worked for aiu very long. stating that cec has no bearing on aiu is just plain wrong. Aiu is a for profit school owned by cec .....aiu and it's officers report to cec and cec reports to the sharholders and members of the board...

Ever since aiu has been on probation the stock has tanked. cec is under ivestigation by the dept of justice, education and SEC....so if cec goes so does aiu.

Comparing aiu to LSU is very very funny.....carlos if u really work in FA you would have no time to post on this sight all day plus it's against company policy to be on this site at work

carlos make a call to the admissions team and see more than half have been fired and more are on there way out within the month but all is well at aiu land hmmmmmmm

They are on probation and have along weay to go to get off ......have fun carlos but I wouldn't waste all your time on this message board trying to save a school where the officers have sold all the stock (steve fireng) officer and former president of online education group. yoyu should be updating your resume just like all the corporate level executives and almost all the admission team.....

carlos is def being paid to post good things b/c if he was being truthful he would have mentioned all the firings and sell offs instead he wants to say b/c LSU was on probation it's alright that aiu is

CEC AIU and all its schools under investigation by the dept of JUSTICE , dept of EDUCATION, SEC..

carlos u know this you are reminded of this each morning when u turn the computer on

hey but your changing life's alright. if aiu is so proud of it's school and is in the best interest of the student why don't they diclose to students about the probation. You won't hear about it from admissions or on the website.

Why won't they disclose this to the student and let them decide. Instead your busy "changing lifes"..you sure have by putting good people in debt 30,000....way to go carlos
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#87 Author of original report

enough is enough

AUTHOR: Dirc - (U.S.A.)

Okay my people enough is enough. I started this god forsaken report a few months back, and there is not a day that goes by where I don't regret it because of this stupid little email notification in my box. I wrote this originally to let people know that the corporation in question (CEC, owner of AIU and CTU) actively participates in the process of employing people to write positive comments in response to these truths about how horrible their universities are. I will not justify any entry that paints these diploma mills in a positive light because I know the idiots writing them are actually employees of AIU and CTU. PLEASE STOP RESPONDING TO THIS REPORT!!!! I AM SICK OF READING THEM!!!

Oh, one other thing.Beth, you sound gorgeous and brilliant. What are the chances of a girl like me and a guy like you going out some time?.(that's a quote from dumb and dumber for those of you that are ready to jump on me because of my crammer);)I'm serious thoughlet me know...I would love to take you out some time....
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#88 Author of original report

enough is enough

AUTHOR: Dirc - (U.S.A.)

Okay my people enough is enough. I started this god forsaken report a few months back, and there is not a day that goes by where I don't regret it because of this stupid little email notification in my box. I wrote this originally to let people know that the corporation in question (CEC, owner of AIU and CTU) actively participates in the process of employing people to write positive comments in response to these truths about how horrible their universities are. I will not justify any entry that paints these diploma mills in a positive light because I know the idiots writing them are actually employees of AIU and CTU. PLEASE STOP RESPONDING TO THIS REPORT!!!! I AM SICK OF READING THEM!!!

Oh, one other thing.Beth, you sound gorgeous and brilliant. What are the chances of a girl like me and a guy like you going out some time?.(that's a quote from dumb and dumber for those of you that are ready to jump on me because of my crammer);)I'm serious thoughlet me know...I would love to take you out some time....
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#89 Consumer Comment

Lack of Tests

AUTHOR: Peter - (U.S.A.)

More than one poster to this thread has suggested that the lack of proctored exams in most CTU courses means the place is a degree mill where you simply take the tests open-book and get A's. As a CTU graduate I thought I could at least clear that up.

It's true that in its Junior and Senior level courses CTU don't have proctored exams (I believe many of its Freshman and Sophomore courses do). In fact, those courses don't have exams at all. But that hardly means they're giveaways.

Here's how it actually works. Say you're taking a marketing course. You receive one or more marketing textbooks, you get online access to course materials, and you attend a succession of online lectures in which you can participate by asking realtime questions and interacting with the instructor and other students in the lecture.

The assignments involve a fictional scenario that is created for the course. You may be told, for instance, that you are a marketing analyst for a company that manufactures a highly successful snack food product through local or regional distribution in Pennsylvania. As the course progresses, you are assigned increasingly complex research and writing assignments based on the scenario. For instance, at one point you may be told the company wants to expand and is trying to decide whether it should head into New Jersey, Delaware or New York, and you need to make a presentation to the Board of Directors. Your assignment grade will not only depend upon your grasp of the marketing principles in the text and the lectures (which had better be incorporated into your written argument), but also upon your real-world, scenario-specific research, which may include information obtained from the Census Bureau to support the existence of suitable market demographics in the market(s) you recommend. Thus, in order to excel in the course, you end up doing double work: first you have to learn the material, and then you have to APPLY it in a real-world situation. So sure, you can flip back and forth in your textbook and lecture notes; but you're not just vomiting back the information you learned -- you're having to APPLY it. That makes it very difficult if not impossible to cheat on these courses, and provides the same or even more reinforcement of the material than simply sitting for an exam.

In my own case I found that it worked very well and I was very pleased with the outcome.

Someone else asked, rhetorically, why those of us who are pleased with our CTU education are here. Well, I'm here because I found this site by accident a year ago, and I'm horror-struck by some of what I've found here, and I believe in setting the story straight. I invested a lot of time and effort into my CTU degree, and finding the institution falsely maligned just doesn't sit right.
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Lack of Tests

AUTHOR: Peter - (U.S.A.)

More than one poster to this thread has suggested that the lack of proctored exams in most CTU courses means the place is a degree mill where you simply take the tests open-book and get A's. As a CTU graduate I thought I could at least clear that up.

It's true that in its Junior and Senior level courses CTU don't have proctored exams (I believe many of its Freshman and Sophomore courses do). In fact, those courses don't have exams at all. But that hardly means they're giveaways.

Here's how it actually works. Say you're taking a marketing course. You receive one or more marketing textbooks, you get online access to course materials, and you attend a succession of online lectures in which you can participate by asking realtime questions and interacting with the instructor and other students in the lecture.

The assignments involve a fictional scenario that is created for the course. You may be told, for instance, that you are a marketing analyst for a company that manufactures a highly successful snack food product through local or regional distribution in Pennsylvania. As the course progresses, you are assigned increasingly complex research and writing assignments based on the scenario. For instance, at one point you may be told the company wants to expand and is trying to decide whether it should head into New Jersey, Delaware or New York, and you need to make a presentation to the Board of Directors. Your assignment grade will not only depend upon your grasp of the marketing principles in the text and the lectures (which had better be incorporated into your written argument), but also upon your real-world, scenario-specific research, which may include information obtained from the Census Bureau to support the existence of suitable market demographics in the market(s) you recommend. Thus, in order to excel in the course, you end up doing double work: first you have to learn the material, and then you have to APPLY it in a real-world situation. So sure, you can flip back and forth in your textbook and lecture notes; but you're not just vomiting back the information you learned -- you're having to APPLY it. That makes it very difficult if not impossible to cheat on these courses, and provides the same or even more reinforcement of the material than simply sitting for an exam.

In my own case I found that it worked very well and I was very pleased with the outcome.

Someone else asked, rhetorically, why those of us who are pleased with our CTU education are here. Well, I'm here because I found this site by accident a year ago, and I'm horror-struck by some of what I've found here, and I believe in setting the story straight. I invested a lot of time and effort into my CTU degree, and finding the institution falsely maligned just doesn't sit right.
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#91 Consumer Comment

Lack of Tests

AUTHOR: Peter - (U.S.A.)

More than one poster to this thread has suggested that the lack of proctored exams in most CTU courses means the place is a degree mill where you simply take the tests open-book and get A's. As a CTU graduate I thought I could at least clear that up.

It's true that in its Junior and Senior level courses CTU don't have proctored exams (I believe many of its Freshman and Sophomore courses do). In fact, those courses don't have exams at all. But that hardly means they're giveaways.

Here's how it actually works. Say you're taking a marketing course. You receive one or more marketing textbooks, you get online access to course materials, and you attend a succession of online lectures in which you can participate by asking realtime questions and interacting with the instructor and other students in the lecture.

The assignments involve a fictional scenario that is created for the course. You may be told, for instance, that you are a marketing analyst for a company that manufactures a highly successful snack food product through local or regional distribution in Pennsylvania. As the course progresses, you are assigned increasingly complex research and writing assignments based on the scenario. For instance, at one point you may be told the company wants to expand and is trying to decide whether it should head into New Jersey, Delaware or New York, and you need to make a presentation to the Board of Directors. Your assignment grade will not only depend upon your grasp of the marketing principles in the text and the lectures (which had better be incorporated into your written argument), but also upon your real-world, scenario-specific research, which may include information obtained from the Census Bureau to support the existence of suitable market demographics in the market(s) you recommend. Thus, in order to excel in the course, you end up doing double work: first you have to learn the material, and then you have to APPLY it in a real-world situation. So sure, you can flip back and forth in your textbook and lecture notes; but you're not just vomiting back the information you learned -- you're having to APPLY it. That makes it very difficult if not impossible to cheat on these courses, and provides the same or even more reinforcement of the material than simply sitting for an exam.

In my own case I found that it worked very well and I was very pleased with the outcome.

Someone else asked, rhetorically, why those of us who are pleased with our CTU education are here. Well, I'm here because I found this site by accident a year ago, and I'm horror-struck by some of what I've found here, and I believe in setting the story straight. I invested a lot of time and effort into my CTU degree, and finding the institution falsely maligned just doesn't sit right.
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#92 Consumer Comment

Lack of Tests

AUTHOR: Peter - (U.S.A.)

More than one poster to this thread has suggested that the lack of proctored exams in most CTU courses means the place is a degree mill where you simply take the tests open-book and get A's. As a CTU graduate I thought I could at least clear that up.

It's true that in its Junior and Senior level courses CTU don't have proctored exams (I believe many of its Freshman and Sophomore courses do). In fact, those courses don't have exams at all. But that hardly means they're giveaways.

Here's how it actually works. Say you're taking a marketing course. You receive one or more marketing textbooks, you get online access to course materials, and you attend a succession of online lectures in which you can participate by asking realtime questions and interacting with the instructor and other students in the lecture.

The assignments involve a fictional scenario that is created for the course. You may be told, for instance, that you are a marketing analyst for a company that manufactures a highly successful snack food product through local or regional distribution in Pennsylvania. As the course progresses, you are assigned increasingly complex research and writing assignments based on the scenario. For instance, at one point you may be told the company wants to expand and is trying to decide whether it should head into New Jersey, Delaware or New York, and you need to make a presentation to the Board of Directors. Your assignment grade will not only depend upon your grasp of the marketing principles in the text and the lectures (which had better be incorporated into your written argument), but also upon your real-world, scenario-specific research, which may include information obtained from the Census Bureau to support the existence of suitable market demographics in the market(s) you recommend. Thus, in order to excel in the course, you end up doing double work: first you have to learn the material, and then you have to APPLY it in a real-world situation. So sure, you can flip back and forth in your textbook and lecture notes; but you're not just vomiting back the information you learned -- you're having to APPLY it. That makes it very difficult if not impossible to cheat on these courses, and provides the same or even more reinforcement of the material than simply sitting for an exam.

In my own case I found that it worked very well and I was very pleased with the outcome.

Someone else asked, rhetorically, why those of us who are pleased with our CTU education are here. Well, I'm here because I found this site by accident a year ago, and I'm horror-struck by some of what I've found here, and I believe in setting the story straight. I invested a lot of time and effort into my CTU degree, and finding the institution falsely maligned just doesn't sit right.
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#93 UPDATE EX-employee responds

Been there and read it

AUTHOR: Carlos - (U.S.A.)

To cover your two main points acrreditation and CEC as the parent company.

First, with accreditaion every school put on probation by SACS, historically has been on probation for two years. There has yet to be one school that was on probation one year and have it lifted the next or even lowered. It is always a minimum of two years.

I am aware of all the SEC filings about CEC. But that was one of the things that the accreditation adresses (separation between church and state) AIU Online is one school with all campuses not a separate entity to be governed by CEC.

The remaining recommendations for AIU were not entirely directed toward the online campus. There were two of the eight that cannot be overturned overnight, which was a personell issue. So as you can see AIU Online has to catch the rap for anything that our other ground campuses lack in.

In regard to CEC's actions and the other schools they own, that is their business, do I choose to be blind to it? Not exactly, but it is only natural that a school that experiences the growth curves we have will undergo scrutiny. But again CEC is not AIU or CTU and none of its constituents can give me a direct order or any of my supervisors without it being approved by the Central Administration of the AIU body. So that does not concern me.

In summation, telling someone to not attend a school on probation is like telling the entire LSU student body they should discontinue their education because they are on probation and have been for a while. They know it and continue their education. The important part is that any credits you complete while your school is accredited regionallly they will transfer and any degree completed is thereby recognized regardless of accredittion status.

Employers or other educational insitutions do not look to see if a degree was recieved under probation or warning, they look to see was the degree or courses completed during a time of accreditation.

I am not at liberty to share all the things that are being done to have the probation removed. But I can say that more than the necessary actions are being taken to get there. Think of it this way if a student can go on probation and be given an opportunity to correct issues with their studies, so shall a learning institution, also if that student corrects 8 out of 16 recommendations to the satisfaction of the COC, while undergoing a university wide culture change. The school has again accomplished more in a year than the 30 year history the school posseses.

Lastly, please dont compare education to anything that depreciates in value, like a car. As far as the name of Yale or Harvard, I will tell you this there is no reward for overpaying for education. I personally know someone that has a 100k education and he made the same salary I did.

The bottom line is if you let your education make you then I suggest you go to the Ivy League schools, because my education does not make me, it is part of my journey not my destination.
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#94 Consumer Comment

Enough now....

AUTHOR: Nadine - (U.S.A.)

Enough Beth. it appears after your last commend you are still employed in the boiler room of AIU and monitoring this site so you can make uneducated comments and spew hate un-stood constructive criticism.

You are not succeeding hurting people by making comments that are based on prejudice by being unfair and discriminating which don't sit well with me. I don't have to play no card what so ever and it is irrelevant who makes typos or not. Typos not a measure of intelligence, achievement, and grades. You just got away from the real concern people have regarding education online.

Therefore, I have to agree with Carlos one hundred percent. Further I know you have nothing of substance to add.
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#95 UPDATE EX-employee responds

carlos close but not so fast

AUTHOR: Scott - (U.S.A.)

carlos I like your post you sound smart well educated and happy with your position at aiu. I say great keep up your good work and the students will also thanks you. However carlos the proof is in the pudding. AIU is on probation. This indicates they are doing something wrong and continue to do things wrong.

The new sacs report is out take a look at it. Aiu had a year to clear up these issues and still have 8 more sac reccomendations to clear up. Now the only outcome is either they will remain accredited or the accreditation will be pulled. there will be no extension this time.

As you stated there are many online schools but why would u go to an online school that is on probation and might not be around next year. Online learning can help many get their degree but don't pay 30,ooo for a school on probation. carlos that is like buying a a new car knowing it needs repair and might be out of commission by years end.

When choosing a school it's all about reputation. this is why harvard and yale can charge so much. Aiu right now has a bad reputation and guess what it was aiu fault nobody else's

The real problem is not aiu per say. The real problem is CEC corporation which owns aiu and many other career colleges. They are under investigation by the dept. of justice, dept. of education and the SEC. This is serious business and guess what many of the same practices that people are saying was unfair are the same things that are happening to the other CEC schools. the exact same problems. Do you see the trend carlos?

aiu was and still is CEC main source of revenue. If the CEO,CFO,steve fireng and other officers have sold every single stock they own they know something BAD is going down. if they felt AIU could return to a fully accredited school and therefore make them lot's of cash then why are they selling off. This shows even there lack of confidence to change things. don't take my word for it look it up on yahoo finance or another stock page

Carlos I respect the fact u worked hard and you had ethics and standards in your current position. It's just to bad your bossess didn't. hey carlos if things are going so well how come many advisors have been fired in the last week

carlos when the ship is going down and the rats are jumping ship please don't tell me I should feel lucky b/c I am still on the ships deck.

I want aiu to succeed for the students that go there now!! I really do want that but people trust me there are people who get paid just to post good things about aiu and cec ...they post all day long and it is obvious on some boards this is being done. I would suggest if you want a degree online go to a school not on probation. if aiu can get off probation and they get the free and clear then by all means got to school there until that happens or if it happens. Go to harvard online (LOL)

thanks all
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#96 Consumer Comment

GO CARLOS!!

AUTHOR: Carmen - (U.S.A.)

GO CARLOS!! GO CARLOS!!! Thats all i have to say....ha ha ha!!!!
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#97 UPDATE Employee

To the all-knowing Beth

AUTHOR: Carlos - (U.S.A.)

Hello Beth and all,

I have sat here and read all of your responses in their entirety and I have found that Beth has not posed no real argument. Please let me preface my response to all your posts by letting you know that I work for AIU Financial Aid and I am a recent graduate of the Operations Managment program for the Bachelor's. So my opinion can be considered biased but more than anything you will find that it is educated.

Beth, I am pretty straight foward and please dont take anything I say the wrong way. As I said I work in the FA office for just over a year, however I obtained my AABA with Honors and BBA with Magna c*m Lauda honors, before I began my employment there. Previous to starting my AABA, I took on a temp job as an Admissions Advisor for AIU. I will tell you this that some of the things that happened at that time to get enrollments I did not like and I had made a decision that I was not going to sacrifice my integrity to have students enroll. I was young myself, I did not have a college degree and it was not the right position for me. My enrollments did not come consistently and being a for-profit institution they did not hire me on permanent because lack of performance. Now when I was let go I was a month away from getting married and was very upset as anyone else would be. But again I did not compromise my integrity and go and bash the University(s) because of my circumstance.

Beth, you stated in one of post that you lied to people, that during interviews advisors would put them on hold and make a mockery of the person on the phone as they made a decision about the rest of their lives, and also how you loved to use the misleading lines about the school. The problem is that your approach was wrong. As you feel obligued to share inside information about the University enrollment process (which is not a secret, hoax, and is actually presented to prospects before they even interview with an admissions advisor for the purpose of enrolling), your mindset throughout all the post is that people are getting ripped off, and that they are not learning because they are not taking test, and that the school is only their for their loan money. Which I assume was the same exact mindframe you had as you were to be qualifying students for the University. I also will deduct when they asked you to consider an alternative, it was basically shape up your attitude or ship out. From the looks of your recent posts, the current theme is that the attitude only got worse.

Since you want to make others feel out of place by asking them rhetorical questions about their educational experience. Allow me to ask you a few, are you traditionally educated? Why do you feel that the practice of retaining information for a memory dump (test) and forget later, is better than research for your answer from professional and other scholars in the industry? Also, why do you feel these other former students have wasted their time and money when they have given latent testimony through their accomplishments that the admissions process actually helped them decide that going back to school now was in their best interest? I had students call me back and tell me they are going to school somewhere else and I was satisfied with that, because my goal was to change someone else's life for the better, like I changed mine.

I would like to answer some of the questions I asked you, from my point of view. First, I had the privilege of attending a brick and mortar school and in hindsight I dread going back to the classroom. How many times did I drive half an hour to class to find out it was cancelled. How many times did I sign up to get a good professor and end up getting his teacher assistant giving the lecture. How many times did not get the class I needed to fill my schedule and have to take some lame elective that will affect my GPA. I also took those wonderful test, its funny because the only classes I remember in the traditional setting was the writing and literature classes, that required reading, comprehension, and writing down my thesis. At AIU/CTU you must write well written papers with APA format. The professors will know if you have cut and paste from a site without proper citations, because not only are they your professor, they work in or retired from that industry, so they subscribe to most of the business or technical journals and articles that you can find.

I do not knock the traditional school system because without AIU/CTU would not be here, however, I will say this about testing though, test takers are better known as memory dumpers. I remember math classes where you could bring in one notecard and write down formulas front and back, but when the test was over 99% of the class would throwout that notecard after the test or have to turn it in at the end of the test. Lesson learned here is to "cram" what you can and after the hour is up you are free to forget it all. At AIU my toughest class was statistics and each weeks unit lead to the next and became progressively harder, although I got a B in that class, I learned it in half the time that a traditional student in a 10 week semester class. Not only learned it, but could use the calculations at work, and make a better analysis of other statistical information presented to me that I guarantee you an identical student from a traditional school would not be able to perform. They are only taught formulas and tests remember, those are the people I will hire someday, because the money makers are the decision makers. If you cant look at the numbers or a case study and effectively make a decision, you will never find yourself in an executive boardroom.

Lastly, all schools are expensive, all schools use federal funding, it is case by case per that students financial situation. So to tell people that they paid too much to have individuals like yourself talk about them as you had them on hold, lie to them, and mislead them into something that was not for them. you have just discredited yourself in all your efforts to discredit AIU/CTU.

One piece of advice, I am sure you have heard this before, when you communicate about education be sure to "sound educated and know what you are talking about, dont sound like you need one." But people reading this dont care about what I know or you know about AIU/CTU until they that we actually cared about them. From the sounds of it, you still dont care about people. These people here have accomplished more in than taking that monumental test at a traditional (which by the way test taking does not have one good barometer of ones ability to retain information after a test[think of it this way, a basketball player practices freethrows for the game, students should practice compiling deliverables for their game- the real world] I have yet to hear of any promotions or pay raises because of one's great test taking ability), they overcame skeptics and haters like yourself and moved on to bigger and better things while you are working on your attitude adjustment.

I speak boldly on this topic, not because I am a biased party, but because I have a desire, interest, and motivation to see others get where they want to be. Through one of AIU/CTU schools or not. Secondly, the boldness comes from having a regionally accredited degree for which I have recieved many accolades. Lastly, because my education has taught me something more valuable than anything stated in this memo, and that is through research and gathering evidence, you decide what is false and what is real.

Unfortunately for Beth, online education is real and it is going to be for good. In fact, there is a pleathora of long-standing, Ivy league, brand named, schools that are trying to convert to the online model because it "changes lives". Their problem is that our virtual campus along with our student services departments are unexcelled.

I dont live far from Bolingbrook, IL, and being in a suburb of Chicago myself, Beth we both know we have access to anything we want. But what about the family on the Native American Reservation, or the soldier defending our country so we can have free speech like this, or the paralyzed young man like my best friend who cannot afford a lift for his wheelchair to go to and fro a traditional campus. True, it is about preference, but education is no longer an institution driven market, it is a consumer driven market(hence the reason for this blog).

Closing argument: Harvard has had an Extension program available for some years now which completely offered online. They are considering offering it as one of their major formats of education moving forward in 2007(you can find this in an article at cnnmoney.com) where the current President of AIU Online Alan Drimmer, also former Harvard Professor, speaks of the advantages of online education and how we are educating the world. There is one thing that you said that is true Beth, an online degree from AIU/CTU is not the same as Harvard or Yale, it is actually better.

If you wanted to be an example Beth, you have achieved it. AIU/CTU has rid its walls of individuals who do not believe in helping others. Because if I take time out to help you with your FA at AIU or any school under the sun the bottom line is that I helped you achieve your dream. I say this because our school is for-profit and I know my true employer is the student that I assist each student with that in mind. So doing any of the activities that you expressed is not the culture of AIU/CTU and we do not provoke that of any of our management or employees.
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#98 Consumer Suggestion

AIU AND CTU

AUTHOR: Kevin - (U.S.A.)

AUI and CTU are both regionally accredited universities.you should stop trying to discredit these schools. Sorry that you had a bad experience Beth, but trying to discredit two regionally accredited universities is not going to work.
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#99 Consumer Comment

PLEASE BETH!!

AUTHOR: Carmen - (U.S.A.)

First of all, I am not an employee of AIU. Second, I have also completed 3 of 4 years at another college before transferring to AIU (as stated in my previous message). There I received the presidential scholarship, in Honors college, and had the highest GPA in the computer science department. I also stated in my previous message that AIU was just as good, if not better than my previous college. We covered some of the same aspects of Computer Science and Information Technology. My education means alot to me and it must mean something to many employers where I've had interviews and job offers. I now work for an IT company where I am the web developer and I also do some networking. SO PLEASE BETH!! GET A LIFE!!!

ALSO I found this site when searching for the address to the virtual campus!
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#100 Consumer Suggestion

Please Beth!

AUTHOR: Kevin - (U.S.A.)

Well Beth, I dont have to pay for my education because I am ex military and my gi bill benefits cover my tuition so im not worried about cost.I am GS-12 WITH THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT! making 60,000 dollars a year.So I dont want to hear about cost Beth. I also know that the internet was not around in 1965 Beth.The fact remains that Colorado Technical Universtiy is real bricks and mortar university that has been around since 1965 and offer online degrees. They are regionally acredited so what is your point of trying to discredit them. As far as people cheating, Well im going to let you know that when I atended classes with Texas A&M Corpus Christi, Student cheated and they are a major university. Students are capable of cheating at any university Beth. I dont know if AUI has a real campus but I do know that CTU does have real campus and they have been around since 1965.Im just stating facts Beth.You say that Colorado Technical university is not a real University SO WHAT IS THAT BIGS SQUARE BUILDING located in Colorado Springs Colorado that has Colorado Technical University written all over it? Ask your self this question Beth
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#101 Consumer Comment

ONLINE CLASSES AND TEST

AUTHOR: Grant - (U.S.A.)

Beth, I think you have the wrong idea about online classes. Granted AIU does not give test to their students, other schools that have distance/online learing do. The test are proctered. The student takes a test at a desginated testing center, so it is almost impossible for the student to cheat.

I think your perception of online schools is misconstrued. If the school does or doesnot test their students is irrelevent to the quality of education or what the student has learned.

I am pursuing my Masters Degree at Central Michigan. Some classes we have test, some classes we don't.
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#102 UPDATE EX-employee responds

Tests

AUTHOR: Beth - (U.S.A.)

Rose,
That is great that you can cram for tests and not learn anything. It just shows that you obviously do not know how to study or you do not pay attention during lecture. Anyone who attends class during the semester and listens to the lecture, asks intellingent questions, and does the homework, can pass a test for the class PERIOD.

AIU / CTU does not even try to go there, because they know people are not listening during the lecture and are probably cheating on their homework. Any tests that you take are obviously open book, open notes, and open internet to find the answers. How are you learning any thing in this fashion either. Gee, so instead of staying up all night cramming for a test and gettnig an A. Now you are not even worrying about cramming but rather foolishly paging through your notes and book during the test to find the answers and still getting an A. How is it any different? The bottom line is, one cannot possibily learn anything and retain in from taking an on-line course, espeacially when ALL thier courses are on-line. People take on-line courses because they are convienient and most importantly easier. You can cheat by searching for answers on the internet and in your book while taking "tests" and for those who are not even tested at all how can you prove what you have learned. O by the way Rose. Thank you for calling my responses mockerys, I take great pride in that. In the mean time I will sit back while I do nothing for the rest of the day, while the rest of you either do your "dial a thon" for AIU/ CTU or pay off your incredibly large debt to AIU /CTU. No skin off my back.
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#103 UPDATE EX-employee responds

Tests

AUTHOR: Beth - (U.S.A.)

Rose,
That is great that you can cram for tests and not learn anything. It just shows that you obviously do not know how to study or you do not pay attention during lecture. Anyone who attends class during the semester and listens to the lecture, asks intellingent questions, and does the homework, can pass a test for the class PERIOD.

AIU / CTU does not even try to go there, because they know people are not listening during the lecture and are probably cheating on their homework. Any tests that you take are obviously open book, open notes, and open internet to find the answers. How are you learning any thing in this fashion either. Gee, so instead of staying up all night cramming for a test and gettnig an A. Now you are not even worrying about cramming but rather foolishly paging through your notes and book during the test to find the answers and still getting an A. How is it any different? The bottom line is, one cannot possibily learn anything and retain in from taking an on-line course, espeacially when ALL thier courses are on-line. People take on-line courses because they are convienient and most importantly easier. You can cheat by searching for answers on the internet and in your book while taking "tests" and for those who are not even tested at all how can you prove what you have learned. O by the way Rose. Thank you for calling my responses mockerys, I take great pride in that. In the mean time I will sit back while I do nothing for the rest of the day, while the rest of you either do your "dial a thon" for AIU/ CTU or pay off your incredibly large debt to AIU /CTU. No skin off my back.
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#104 UPDATE EX-employee responds

Tests

AUTHOR: Beth - (U.S.A.)

Rose,
That is great that you can cram for tests and not learn anything. It just shows that you obviously do not know how to study or you do not pay attention during lecture. Anyone who attends class during the semester and listens to the lecture, asks intellingent questions, and does the homework, can pass a test for the class PERIOD.

AIU / CTU does not even try to go there, because they know people are not listening during the lecture and are probably cheating on their homework. Any tests that you take are obviously open book, open notes, and open internet to find the answers. How are you learning any thing in this fashion either. Gee, so instead of staying up all night cramming for a test and gettnig an A. Now you are not even worrying about cramming but rather foolishly paging through your notes and book during the test to find the answers and still getting an A. How is it any different? The bottom line is, one cannot possibily learn anything and retain in from taking an on-line course, espeacially when ALL thier courses are on-line. People take on-line courses because they are convienient and most importantly easier. You can cheat by searching for answers on the internet and in your book while taking "tests" and for those who are not even tested at all how can you prove what you have learned. O by the way Rose. Thank you for calling my responses mockerys, I take great pride in that. In the mean time I will sit back while I do nothing for the rest of the day, while the rest of you either do your "dial a thon" for AIU/ CTU or pay off your incredibly large debt to AIU /CTU. No skin off my back.
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#105 UPDATE EX-employee responds

Okay Nadine

AUTHOR: Beth - (U.S.A.)

Nadine said. "As far as my poor crammer it is very good considering I am NOT an American and you comment is discriminating at best looking at the typos in your posting The cannot even contruct a sentece that makes logical sense

Nadine, what is crammer? Also, is there a reason you capatlized NOT American? Is there something wrong with being American? Also, please look up the definition of discriminating. The word does not make any sense what so ever in the sense that you used it above. Discrimination by definition means:
"Unfair treatment of a person or group on the basis of prejudice".
How am I discriminating against you or you "NOT being American by your typos. I don't care if you have typos. We all do. What I am saying is, your sentences are not making any sense at all. I cannot even understand what you are trying to say. At least with my typos and missing periods, I am still getting my point across.
Getting back to you NOT being an American how is that in anyway my problem. It is not my fault if you do not know how to construct sentences in English. Is this something you were attending AIU / CTU for? Also, how are you receiving American finanical aid when you are NOT an American? It sounds like for someone who is so worried about letting everyone know she is NOT an American they should be counting thier lucky stars they are even in this country with the freedom to be able to go to college in the first place, whether or not the college is good or not.
Also, is there a reason in the first place you are playing the "I am not from this country card?" It does not sit well with me. If you want equal opportunities in this country like being elgible for finiancial aid and attending Univerisities than you need to play the game of life like the rest of us and quit asking for breaks and crying about how "you don't know all the rules, or the language, etc" I have a feeling in your FA situation AIU / CTU might actually be in the right for once.
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#106 UPDATE EX-employee responds

Because

AUTHOR: Beth - (U.S.A.)

Um Kevin,
I am catagorizing them together, because I was specifcally told to tell students when they questioned the accredidation of the school that AIU / CTU was accredited just as "Princeton" and "Harvard" are. Those two school names were typed out in the script that we used. We should be sure to tell our "cows" (contracts on the way) "Because when they hear that, they'll know we are legit" Any student that attended the University knows that they have heard this before if they asked about the accredidation during their second innterview. Although, most people that enrolled were so ignorant they did not even care to ask if the school was accredited. This is why I bring up Texas A&M, and Harvard and Princeton. Aiu / CTU actually thinks/thought they could put themselves on the same level as these top-notch schools. O, by the way Harvard was actually founded in 1636. Princeton founded in 1946. Texas A&M established in 1846. My questions to you are, how dare you compare establish dates of 1965 or whatever it was to these? So whatever year AIU was founded does not mean a thing to me other than the school is even worse than I thought. Proving they have had years to get themselves together and still cannot function without being on probabtion etc.


Also, was the internet even around back than? How were people taking on-line classes? O that's right, they were not. I am specifically discussing the online portion of this school. I know NOTHING about rest of it. So whatever they have done for the past 20-30 years is miniscule and has not reflection on the on-line portion which is where they really try to make thier sales. The bottom line is, go ahead and argue with me and defend the school. You are the one makeing a choice that is life changing and could be one of the costliest mistakes of your life. You will get burned, whether if it is through Financial aid, your student advisor, or paying for an education where you learned absolutley nothing and it cost you $50,000. Actually which brings to what the only thing AIU /CTU have in common with real Univerisities is the cost. Although you pay for what you get at real schools, VS paying for complete garbage at AIU.


I wish I would have had a video camara and tape recorder from when I worked there so you could have seen what went on. The mid-afternoon rally's with music to applaud all of the employees who got contracts fopr students. Although we were only allowed to applaud if the $50.00 application fee was already paid in full and cleared. Otherwise it was not a true sale.
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#107 UPDATE EX-employee responds

Because

AUTHOR: Beth - (U.S.A.)

Um Kevin,
I am catagorizing them together, because I was specifcally told to tell students when they questioned the accredidation of the school that AIU / CTU was accredited just as "Princeton" and "Harvard" are. Those two school names were typed out in the script that we used. We should be sure to tell our "cows" (contracts on the way) "Because when they hear that, they'll know we are legit" Any student that attended the University knows that they have heard this before if they asked about the accredidation during their second innterview. Although, most people that enrolled were so ignorant they did not even care to ask if the school was accredited. This is why I bring up Texas A&M, and Harvard and Princeton. Aiu / CTU actually thinks/thought they could put themselves on the same level as these top-notch schools. O, by the way Harvard was actually founded in 1636. Princeton founded in 1946. Texas A&M established in 1846. My questions to you are, how dare you compare establish dates of 1965 or whatever it was to these? So whatever year AIU was founded does not mean a thing to me other than the school is even worse than I thought. Proving they have had years to get themselves together and still cannot function without being on probabtion etc.


Also, was the internet even around back than? How were people taking on-line classes? O that's right, they were not. I am specifically discussing the online portion of this school. I know NOTHING about rest of it. So whatever they have done for the past 20-30 years is miniscule and has not reflection on the on-line portion which is where they really try to make thier sales. The bottom line is, go ahead and argue with me and defend the school. You are the one makeing a choice that is life changing and could be one of the costliest mistakes of your life. You will get burned, whether if it is through Financial aid, your student advisor, or paying for an education where you learned absolutley nothing and it cost you $50,000. Actually which brings to what the only thing AIU /CTU have in common with real Univerisities is the cost. Although you pay for what you get at real schools, VS paying for complete garbage at AIU.


I wish I would have had a video camara and tape recorder from when I worked there so you could have seen what went on. The mid-afternoon rally's with music to applaud all of the employees who got contracts fopr students. Although we were only allowed to applaud if the $50.00 application fee was already paid in full and cleared. Otherwise it was not a true sale.
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#108 UPDATE EX-employee responds

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AUTHOR: Beth - (U.S.A.)

Um Kevin,
I am catagorizing them together, because I was specifcally told to tell students when they questioned the accredidation of the school that AIU / CTU was accredited just as "Princeton" and "Harvard" are. Those two school names were typed out in the script that we used. We should be sure to tell our "cows" (contracts on the way) "Because when they hear that, they'll know we are legit" Any student that attended the University knows that they have heard this before if they asked about the accredidation during their second innterview. Although, most people that enrolled were so ignorant they did not even care to ask if the school was accredited. This is why I bring up Texas A&M, and Harvard and Princeton. Aiu / CTU actually thinks/thought they could put themselves on the same level as these top-notch schools. O, by the way Harvard was actually founded in 1636. Princeton founded in 1946. Texas A&M established in 1846. My questions to you are, how dare you compare establish dates of 1965 or whatever it was to these? So whatever year AIU was founded does not mean a thing to me other than the school is even worse than I thought. Proving they have had years to get themselves together and still cannot function without being on probabtion etc.


Also, was the internet even around back than? How were people taking on-line classes? O that's right, they were not. I am specifically discussing the online portion of this school. I know NOTHING about rest of it. So whatever they have done for the past 20-30 years is miniscule and has not reflection on the on-line portion which is where they really try to make thier sales. The bottom line is, go ahead and argue with me and defend the school. You are the one makeing a choice that is life changing and could be one of the costliest mistakes of your life. You will get burned, whether if it is through Financial aid, your student advisor, or paying for an education where you learned absolutley nothing and it cost you $50,000. Actually which brings to what the only thing AIU /CTU have in common with real Univerisities is the cost. Although you pay for what you get at real schools, VS paying for complete garbage at AIU.


I wish I would have had a video camara and tape recorder from when I worked there so you could have seen what went on. The mid-afternoon rally's with music to applaud all of the employees who got contracts fopr students. Although we were only allowed to applaud if the $50.00 application fee was already paid in full and cleared. Otherwise it was not a true sale.
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#109 UPDATE EX-employee responds

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AUTHOR: Beth - (U.S.A.)

Um Kevin,
I am catagorizing them together, because I was specifcally told to tell students when they questioned the accredidation of the school that AIU / CTU was accredited just as "Princeton" and "Harvard" are. Those two school names were typed out in the script that we used. We should be sure to tell our "cows" (contracts on the way) "Because when they hear that, they'll know we are legit" Any student that attended the University knows that they have heard this before if they asked about the accredidation during their second innterview. Although, most people that enrolled were so ignorant they did not even care to ask if the school was accredited. This is why I bring up Texas A&M, and Harvard and Princeton. Aiu / CTU actually thinks/thought they could put themselves on the same level as these top-notch schools. O, by the way Harvard was actually founded in 1636. Princeton founded in 1946. Texas A&M established in 1846. My questions to you are, how dare you compare establish dates of 1965 or whatever it was to these? So whatever year AIU was founded does not mean a thing to me other than the school is even worse than I thought. Proving they have had years to get themselves together and still cannot function without being on probabtion etc.


Also, was the internet even around back than? How were people taking on-line classes? O that's right, they were not. I am specifically discussing the online portion of this school. I know NOTHING about rest of it. So whatever they have done for the past 20-30 years is miniscule and has not reflection on the on-line portion which is where they really try to make thier sales. The bottom line is, go ahead and argue with me and defend the school. You are the one makeing a choice that is life changing and could be one of the costliest mistakes of your life. You will get burned, whether if it is through Financial aid, your student advisor, or paying for an education where you learned absolutley nothing and it cost you $50,000. Actually which brings to what the only thing AIU /CTU have in common with real Univerisities is the cost. Although you pay for what you get at real schools, VS paying for complete garbage at AIU.


I wish I would have had a video camara and tape recorder from when I worked there so you could have seen what went on. The mid-afternoon rally's with music to applaud all of the employees who got contracts fopr students. Although we were only allowed to applaud if the $50.00 application fee was already paid in full and cleared. Otherwise it was not a true sale.
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#110 Consumer Suggestion

Regionally accredited

AUTHOR: Kevin - (U.S.A.)

CTU has been around since 1965 and is regionally accredited. So I really dont see a problem with getting a degree online with them. I am a federal employee and I am accustomed to seeing people acheive there college degrees online.I have attended on campus classes with Texas A&M so I know what its like. Im just stating facts here. I really dont understand your point of trying to discredit a school that has been around since 1965 and is regionally accredited by the North Central Association of Colleges which is recongnized by CHEA. Why are you even trying to catagorize Texas A&M with PRINCETON AND HARVARD. Please!
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#111 UPDATE Employee

Every experience is different

AUTHOR: Rose - (U.S.A.)

To all of those that are unhappy with the education they received or that have had bad experiences, I want to take a moment to put something out there as an employee. First I will start by saying, no, I am not paid to be on here. To address why I am on this site, I am interested in hearing what past students have had troubles with. I work for CTUOnline, and I must admit, I have had my ups and downs as an employee with the company, to the point, that I nearly lost my job, my first ever involuntary termination, however, my faith in the school never waivered.

I work for the University because I believe in what we offer to our students. As Beth has pointed out, yes, we have scripts, similar to AIU, those scripts are there not to learn anything less about the student, but to ensure that all employees are following all regulations. The NCA (regional accrediting body for CTU) has to review every script before it is administered. With an online program, the school recieves thousands of inquiries, whether it is unintentional or from the direct site stating interest in our degrees. In order to manage that amount of volume, the employee base has to be equally as large. The NCA can not have 1000's of different things being told to our students. Its about uniformity. Do you not think that when you go to an interview for a job that you are asked the same questions as the person before you and the person after you? When you apply to traditional schools, is there not an interview process there as well? Those questions are set in place for a reason. It is not to cheapen the experience.

I apologize to those that didn't receive the most accurate information in regards to your degree. Unfortuantly as with any company, business, school, etc. there are going to be bad apples. I make it a point to inform my students of every thing they need to be successful from info on APA format, Power Point, navagating the classroom, the campus, the labs everything! As a matter of fact I spent 6 hours on the phone with my students today, because the new session has begun walking them through the in's and out's of their classroom to make sure they were comfortable. I will be going in on a Sunday to spend another 4+ hours to call other advisors students to do the same.

The education recieved here is better than the education that I began a traditional school when I was fresh out of Highschool. I am currently a student and an employee for the University. The classes are accelerated, yes, but this is told to the students before the enrollment is processed. I will say, there is a lot of information given to the students in a short amount of time, so in some cases, if you arent paying attention, you may miss some things. It is always suggested that you take notes during the call to make sure that you are getting everything, you are encourgaged several times throughout the call to ask questions if you are iffy about something or don't understand.
Every experience is not going to be a great experience, its the sad reality that life brings us on a day to day basis, not only with school, however, there are far more people that are enjoying their experience and education with our University then aren't.

I hope this information clears up some of the things in question for anyone looking on here. I think that regardless of if you are a current student, past student, current employee, or ex-employee, it is good to research your school and your employer. The best thing you can do is research your education as much as possible. Find whats right for you and don't let anyone tell you different. I have worked with students that it was obvious our program wasn't their best fit, and I told them so, and gave them suggestions on how to find the better choice for them. It is completly your decision, if you don't feel 100% comfortable with it, don't do it until you do feel 100% comfortable.

Oh, one more thing, to clear up the confusion on tests, the Associate program is aligned with Knowledge checks (quizes) the Bachelors degree is not. While one of the ex-employees on her mockingly said it, it is a true test of your knowledge by applying it to the materials. I can study and memorize what I need to for a test and pass with flying colors but never really learn anything. To apply it to a situation is extremly different.
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Script for those who would like to read it

AUTHOR: Beth - (U.S.A.)

I am sure this will sound familiar to those of you who have attended this "great" University" Doesn't it make you feel special and cared about as a student knowing you were sold an education in the same fashion as 1000's and you advisor could have totally cared less about any inforamtion you were giving them?

Hello may I speak with_______? This is_____________ and admissions advisor from AIU online how are you doing? Great! You recently requested some information about our degree programs, so I have a few questions for you so I can get the correct information out to you!

What is your educational background? What is the highest level of education you have completed?
When did you graduate from high school?
How long have you been thinking about furthering your education?
When did you graduate from college?
What kind of classes were you taking?
What kind of grades did you get in those classes?
Do you have any professional training or certificates in your work history?
Do you have any military experience?
Are you currently employed?
What kind of work are you doing?
What does success mean to you?
Where would you like to be career wise in five years?
Is there anyone who is supportive of you furthering your education? Or supportive?
If you were accepted here at AIU online when are you hoping to start your education?

Now_____based on the fact that you seem pretty ambitious, goal orientated, and motivated I am going to send you an email about some of our important online programs. In this email there will be a password and a hyperlink that you can click on that will take you to our admission site. Now the password will expire so you will need to log on as soon as possible. The admissions site will give you a chance to learn more about AIU online our accreditation, course descriptions, financial aide options, and how you go about getting accepted. How does that sound to you?

Do you have a pen handy? I would like to give you my contact information. Let me confirm your email address.

When you receive my email read through the information and share it with anyone who may be supportive of you going to school. Fill out the online application and print a copy out for yourself for records. This allows me to get to know more information about your background. When you have completed reviewing the website write down any questions that you may have because I want us to get back together over the phone so I can answer all of those questions. We will discuss f-aide, career opportunities, online degree programs, and how you apply and get accepted here at aiu-online. How does that sound to you? Great. I have two times open for _____(always two days later) which one is best for you?

Great then do we have that commitment for ____date and time? Good.

Since education is taking a higher priority in your life I look forward to speaking to you on ----date and time----.

When you set your appointment they will constantly call you. The second phone call consist of a similar line of questioning in more detail with the sales person admissions advisor offering your recommendation and offering to put you on the agenda for the next acceptance committee meeting.
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#113 UPDATE EX-employee responds

Sure It is

AUTHOR: Beth - (U.S.A.)

Carmen,
I really do think it is great that you have accomplished a goal that you have set for yourself. However, why are you on this website in the first place if you had such a great experience with the school? Do you work for them? I know personally that the school pays a group of people who do nothing but sit in a room all day and search the web for sites that imply that the school is a scam, rip off, or say anything negative about the school. Some blogs are actually shut down after a while. As an "X" employee of the University I am not writing this because I am disgruntled, I am simply writing as a precaution. I sat in meetings where specific questions were asked as to "how do we get the leads we are getting because many of the people we call are "not interested". I was told several times by several different levels of management that it was my job to get them interested no matter what lengths I needed to go to. I was told that there was a specific group of people who go on to these types of websites to voice what a great university CEC schools are. I know for 100% fact AIU/CTU pays people to write things positive about the school to try and clear thier name. They spend millions of dollars on this tactic. You do not have to believe me, I know what I know. If I knew of something I could do to help people and get the message out there, that this school does not care about the student as an individual I would do it. Perhaps, I feel guilty that I took a job that I knew was morally wrong because I needed the money. I lied to potential students so I could keep my own job and pay the mortgage. Its been over 3 years now and I am still haunted by the way I was treated and the way the paying students were treated by this non-profit company. I still feel terrible that I harassed 1000's of people who wanted nothing to do with an online education just so I could make my minimum amount of calls per day. I did all this under the direction of AIU/CTU. I was not fired, I was actually asked to re-consider. I left because I did not like the job. I HATED calling 400 people who were not interested in what I had to offer daily. I hated telling people that this school was thier best and only option. The truth is, every person I spoke with had much more potential to do something in life better than AIU/CTU. They had something the potential to get a real degree that would be much more fulfilling to them if they actually took real classes with real students with real tests. I guarentee they would be much prouder of thier education. Unfortuantly, Carmen and the rest of those out thier who have completed AIU / CTU you will never know what is feels like to have completed a REAL degree at a real Univeristy. If you want to know what pressure of school and finals are I suggest you try it. You will be amazed at the difference.
The responses from those people who have "completed" thier degree's at AIU/CTU just prove my point that the University teaches all of you absolutley nothing. You are all completely niave to think that the University Magna c*m laude / Deans list or any other academic recognition means anything from this University. I dare you to tell a graduate of a big 10 school, or Princeton, Harvard, Brown Texas A&M that you graduated AIU ONLINE MAGNA c*m LAUDE. What A total JOKE!
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#114 Consumer Comment

AIU Online is GREAT!!

AUTHOR: Carmen - (U.S.A.)

I graduated Magna c*m Laude from AIU online with a Bachelors in Information Technology and I definitely enjoyed the experience. I transferred to AIU after 3 years of Computer Science at a 4-year college and it allowed me to complete my degree six months after my scheduled date all while working, being a mother and wife. From my past college experience AIU was just as good, if not better, than the previous school I attended. At AIU we covered all aspects of Information Technology, from programming languages to networking to database design and implementation. My concentration was in computer programming and I am now working as a web developer for an IT company. I cant speak for employees, but I can say that as a former student the experience was GREAT!!! I had a wonderful academic advisor and great instructors who allowed me to call them at their homes in order to get additional help. For anyone looking to enroll into AIU, trust me it is an excellent school. Just determine whether most of these complaints are from students or former employees. Please people...lets not ruin a good thing for another busy mother or wife to experience the same opportunity I was given.

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#115 Consumer Suggestion

Doesnt make sense Stan

AUTHOR: Kevin - (U.S.A.)

Hello all, I am a student with CTU online and I am on my third class with them. I have to disagree with you Stan when you say there are no test. I have tested every week with the 5 week classes that I have taken.The tests are timed and graded and do count as part of your grade. So I dont understand why you are not taking any test. My wife just transfered her credits from Texas A&M University to CTU and she is also taking test with her 5 week classes also. I just dont understand why you dont have to take any. Everybody else that I spoken to who attends CTU online are testing also.
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#116 Consumer Suggestion

Doesnt make sense Stan

AUTHOR: Kevin - (U.S.A.)

Hello all, I am a student with CTU online and I am on my third class with them. I have to disagree with you Stan when you say there are no test. I have tested every week with the 5 week classes that I have taken.The tests are timed and graded and do count as part of your grade. So I dont understand why you are not taking any test. My wife just transfered her credits from Texas A&M University to CTU and she is also taking test with her 5 week classes also. I just dont understand why you dont have to take any. Everybody else that I spoken to who attends CTU online are testing also.
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#117 Consumer Suggestion

Doesnt make sense Stan

AUTHOR: Kevin - (U.S.A.)

Hello all, I am a student with CTU online and I am on my third class with them. I have to disagree with you Stan when you say there are no test. I have tested every week with the 5 week classes that I have taken.The tests are timed and graded and do count as part of your grade. So I dont understand why you are not taking any test. My wife just transfered her credits from Texas A&M University to CTU and she is also taking test with her 5 week classes also. I just dont understand why you dont have to take any. Everybody else that I spoken to who attends CTU online are testing also.
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#118 Consumer Suggestion

Doesnt make sense Stan

AUTHOR: Kevin - (U.S.A.)

Hello all, I am a student with CTU online and I am on my third class with them. I have to disagree with you Stan when you say there are no test. I have tested every week with the 5 week classes that I have taken.The tests are timed and graded and do count as part of your grade. So I dont understand why you are not taking any test. My wife just transfered her credits from Texas A&M University to CTU and she is also taking test with her 5 week classes also. I just dont understand why you dont have to take any. Everybody else that I spoken to who attends CTU online are testing also.
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#119 Consumer Comment

Employer sponsored student tells it like it is...

AUTHOR: Stan - (U.S.A.)

Hello,
I am currently a student of CTU Online. I have read the comments in several sections, and though I would state my situation as a non-biased view of what is happening. First some background:

My school is paid for by my employer, GE. GE steered me to CTU, (or actually AIU first since they are "education partners"). I ran away from AIU because of the horror stories I heard from AIU, so I can not comment on that school.

The CTU online school though, I am currently 45% finished with my BS degree. The classes are difficult in that you have to understand the subject matter, but there are no tests performed... only posting of documents, spreadsheets, and powerpoint files. These all have to be in APA format (was not told about this before starting this course work.. research about APA and how to use it before signing up!)

I noticed that the student manual talks about testing, and the multimedia online information talks about tests too... There are none. There are a series of 10 assignments with one being a group project. I have passed 8 of my 20 classes so far with all A's in the classes.

Most of the classes, the subject matter is vaguely relevant in relation to the actual subject matter. My impression is that the classwork is a way to "get your paper", and have an introduction to the actual subjects since each class is only 5 weeks long, and you have two at a time. The major emphasis seems to be on the APA formating more than the actual information, HMM.

My resulting opinion is that the school is not a good environment to learn from, but good to get your paper of completion (degree certificate).
This school is supported by GE again, so the idea of employers not accepting their degree is not true. The quality of learning is minimal at best because of the short time and vagueness of the classes to the subject matter.

At first the price seems high, but on investigation of traditional schools and even their online programs, they all fall in the same range of price basically.

CTU provides books, windows operating system, Office, but no APA software or much in the line of souce materials (they do have a 'cybrary' research center, but it is mainly just shortcuts to public articles on the internet, and nothing of physical substance)

If you are in an industry and need a degree that is legitimate quickly, this is your ticket. If you want to learn about the materials covered, look somewhere else.

I do supposed that you could learn as you progress in your schooling, but the retension after an intense 5 weeks is not so good, and besides there is another 5 week period immediately following the end of your set you are in. You simply learn to stop trying to remember that stuff from last session to focus on the new stuff for this month!

I hope that gives you guys an idea of the situation that is truely in CTU. I think a lot of the complaints are from people that thought it was a quick blow-off diploma thing, and found out that they have to actually work (I have spent MANY times past midnight nursing a sick project!). These people want to know the materials after completion or want to just pass through with little effort and work.

The school work is tedious, not very retainable, and very stressful in the fast paced environment (not to speak of the shock of having to immediately know about APA formating - Worst part of the school).

Remember that most of the real students are refered to CTU for getting their degree for the job (I asked many of my fellow students and found this to be the rule..)

Government retraining grants or military retraining stuff does not work very well as the school is geared to this employer sponsored type of student, where the paper needs to be in hand in 15 months.

I thank GE for paying for my school so far, My associate degree is through a community college, so the rest is CTU so far.

You are very welcome to ask me amy questions and I will answer the best that I can, and I swear that this information is true and very accurate as of 12/22/06.

Stan **** (CTU Student currently)
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#120 Consumer Comment

Facing reality..

AUTHOR: Nadine - (U.S.A.)

Beth wrote.and I say it again. I am NOT advocating for AIU fraudulent and boiler room tactics regarding Admission and Financial aid rather then the Education ones receives.

The education is no different then other online schools perhaps a bit better and NOT comparable with community colleges and there cost unless you are trying to get an associate degree which I have NOT. I enrolled in an accelerated bachelor program that cost in the end per class over $2600.00.

Further I am not talking about the people that dropped out because this is not my experience with AIU. Just tired of reading about how bad the curriculum and his instructors are which AGAIN is not my experience.

There has been no one at AIU that put me on hold during the admission process or ask me why I wanted to be accepted. AIU admission called me and said Are you willing and capable to work with strict deadlines? After that one phone call my classes been set up and I started. NO admission fee or indication that I would have FA problems which came after being in my 5th class.

Therefore my suggestion; get all interaction with AIU, admission, student advisory and FA in hard copy and DON'T start any classes unless you know your personal FA and credits are accounted for. Further, DON'T let anybody at AIU tell you that all is perfectly ok regarding the above mentioned vitally important steps before starting classes at AIU or you will be in the same predicament like many former students.

Your response is no more then trying to rectify you employment at AIU since I have yet to find a response from you helping people to make the right choice when faced with AIU admission and FA which I have indicated in more then one posting.

Seems you just pulled out of the postings what you want in an attempt to misrepresent yourself and AIU by collective reading and riding.

I have been advised to go to this side by former classmates, instructors and a government official why I have been faced with AIU's fraudulent behavior.

As far as my poor crammer it is very good considering I am NOT an American and you comment is discriminating at best looking at the typos in your posting The cannot even contruct a sentece that makes logical sense

Yes I am scammed by AIU's incompetent admission, student advising and most importantly FA persons. Therefore I advise everybody considering AIU to STAY away and look for a better alternative with a warning that AIU admission, student advising and FA is criminal and fraudulent at best by sharing my experience and advise them to see for themselves at BBB rip-off report.
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#121 Consumer Comment

Pros and cons

AUTHOR: Darren - (U.S.A.)

Beth, nice post, but isn't it ironic how the one sentence where you go off on Nadine for typos and clarity is your most error-filled sentence Was that intentional? Anyway, I add my comments to this report because I want people to know that AIU is not considered a scam by the current students and alumni because of the knowledge gained, hard work required, and real-world opportunities that are offered as a result. My experience is not that unusual of the students / friends that I knew over the past 13 months at AIU:

1. My employer paid for the classes 100%
2. My employer gave me a promotion (effective Jan 2007) as a result of this degree
3. A local college offered me a paid part-time teaching position (A+ Cert course) as a result of this degree.

There is one question you might ask and it would be the most difficult for me to answer, but I will anyway: Would I enroll in AIU again? No. I would not knowingly enroll or recommend anyone else to attend a college that is on probation by their accrediting authority. The above mentioned benefits would have occurred had I attended AIU Online, CTU Online, University of Phoenix, or any other accredited online school. I discovered all of this controversy after I was enrolled for almost a year. If I pursue a master's degree in computer science it will be through some other online degree program. And yes, each of the colleges I've checked will accept my new Bachelor's degree in IT as if it came from any other school, probation status notwithstanding.
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#122 UPDATE EX-employee responds

Nadine something is seriously wrong with you...

AUTHOR: Beth - (U.S.A.)

Nadine,
First of all, I think I have read a posting on another thread of yours, that has you complaining about the University claiming you were going to be going to "investigative reports" about AIU. Now you are backing the Univeristy up?

Here, I will copy and paste what you wrote on a different rip off report.

"I am working for the court system in a halfway house for non violent drug offenders. This is a job that actually requires a degree in social work and therfore pays very little compare to what I could be doing with my degree. Police work I am to old for and correction, security and bailbonds due not require a degree for employment in this state.

Also, to the person saying that ivy-university are not looking at this degree..... Yes the are if you have the financial means and pass the admission test to be considered for the degree of your choice. For example law school requires very hard testing before even be considered.

I have a problem with the admission from AIU since it is boiler room tactic that they are using which is highly illegal. They will due everything from harrassing to lying to get there quota filled.

My main problem is the FA department that defrauds people and I am gratefull that there are laws in place so that people can fight back. It takes time and is very hard yet it can be done. Fact remains in my case I am expected to pay back per class $2692.00 and that includes self payments and scholars plus federal pell grants. Only because I agreed for direct disbursments to AIU for my education? Dont think so I say.

I am getting smarter in my research ,talk to alot of people, wrote and send alot of complains and have now contacted the TV investagative News. They are very interested and I must say to be greatful of keeping very good record regarding all FA transaction from AIU.

Education is important to alot of people and should NOT be abused by these criminals and frauds that are getting richer by the minute with the hard earned money from people that are being lied to every day by AIU.

Let it be known that I want go away and will due what ever it takes to get this matter resolves. My determination and strong will is lethal since I don't alow in-justice of any kind. If I can provent prople to go thru what I have been then I have done my job going public.

Nadine - South Haven, Michigan
U.S.A.

THIS WAS POSTED ON 10/7/2006????? What's up with this? Why dont you stick to a rebuttle and go with it, or at least go to multiple web-sites so you can be an advocate for both the people who hate AIU and the ones who are so completely ignorant that still will not believe the 1000's of blogs warning them to stay away.
Also, yes someone for sure put you on hold for 5 minetes while you thought of something "meaningful" to say as to why the Univeristy should accept you. Even if they were not laughing at what a loser your were, they were laughing about how you were a "cow" (contract on the way) meaning they were going to enroll you, no matter what your answer was, so long as you were willing to fork up the $50.00 application fee. So congratualtions on being "ripped off".

Also, not that your responses need to be perfectly typed and typos are not okay, but you have taken my point and proved it beautifully. The cannot even contruct a sentece that makes logical sense. I can hardly even understand what concepts you are trying to convey when rebuttling to everyone here. Like I said the only ones who praise AIU/CTU are the ones who have atteneded and been scammed. Why are they singing their praises??? Probably because they need to lie to themselves so they dont take their lives during the next 30 years when they are paying their montly student loan installments for a degree that is meaningless. Perhaps if they tell themselves that AIU / CTU are good "real" Universites they will feel better about blowing all that money. Also, Nadine, why are you on this website? When you did a search for AIU / CTU THE BEST SCHOOL EVER, did it bring you here by accident??? O by the way, how many other colleges that are REAL universities have websites and several threads deidicated to what a scam they are. I'll tell you. NONE!
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#123 Consumer Comment

Same bla bla bla.

AUTHOR: Nadine - (U.S.A.)

William said. And I DON'T agree with your posting at all. I said it ones and I will make it clear to you again..

1. I checked all backgrounds from all my instructors since I kept all there bio postings and there legit. And yes they all posted there past credentials which made it quiet simply for back ground checking.

2. The classes are similar set up as brick and mortar school online classes. With attendance requirements, strict dead lines to be met including group projects, and DB's, real life and field interactions such as interviewing professional in the field of study for assignments including proof of verification that the student indeed followed these assignments. Most instructors interacted with there students very well by allowing phone conversations, out of class chat and e-mails. At least that is my experience which does not indicate that all instructors are perfect.

3. There are some very well known companies that allow there employees to attend online degree programs including AIU.

4. My beef is with the Defrauding practice AIU uses regarding FA, admission, and student advisors.

5. Someone said you get out of this what you put in regarding the studies at online classes! Classmates that put in the extra effort stayed in touch through study-groups, phone, and e-mails and worked hard on any subject to see it to the end in order to get a good grade.

Darren wrote. and I agree with you since it seems that your experience is more the reality to the discrepancies regarding AIU. I have spoken to many professionals in my field of study and they all seemed impressed with my new found knowledge that sometimes exceeded there expectation and even experience. Therefore I wish you the best on completing your degree.
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#124 Consumer Comment

Current Student Testimonial

AUTHOR: Darren - (U.S.A.)

William,

I am currently enrolled in AIU and plan to graduate in a couple of weeks with a BIT degree. I do not work for AIU and I agree that their recruiting tactics need to change.

Yes, my employer paid for my classes. Not only that, but after I get my degree, they promise to give me a pay raise. I don't know how much, but the point is you have no idea what you are talking about.

I have been a software engineer for the past 8 years. Not only is this degree validation of what I already know, but I have learned a lot along the way that benefits me and my employer. For example, I now write ASP.NET applications due to AIU's excellent programming courses. They also place a lot of emphasis on project planning which is critical and often overlooked in other degree programs.

I would never recommend AIU's BIT program to someone who is new to programming; it is just too difficult. I have seen many students drop out over the past year because they could not handle it. Your over-simplification of the networking project requirements is another example of you distorting the facts.

I don't know about your other claims and I don't care because you have misrepresented everything else. I am disturbed by their current probation status, but I also believe they will regain good standing with SACS sometime this month: not because of some half-baked conspiracy theory, but because AIU truly delivers a quality education.
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#125 Consumer Comment

Aiu credibility questions

AUTHOR: William - (U.S.A.)

I have recently posted my rip off report about AIU and what has been done to me. Now to deal with those who say that they had to work to get their grades at AIU. First did you do your discussion boards by making a comment about the subject in your syllabus? Did you comment on at least two other student's comments? Then you probably got an A? And you call this hard?

Now what about your project for each unit? Did you, if your in the networking class, ping AIU's web site and write down their IP address and write that in your report? Then you got an A.

I can tell you right now that the academic requirements at AIU are far below academic standards at even brick and mortar "career" schools. There are no tests for classes, no way to gauge what you may or may not know.

And as far as projects go, ask any employer about that and he/she will tell you; "that's nice but can you tell me what the layers of a network are?"

Now onto to those who have had such wonderful experiences at AIU. First and foremost, this school would not be probation if they didn't do something wrong. Two why support AIU just because there are "reputable" universities that also are on probation? Does that mean that it's alright for AIU to continue their corrupt practices just because everyone else is? That's childish and everyone who makes comments to that effect should know it.

Also remember that there are plenty of problems at AIU that even SACS is not authorized under federal and state law to look at, like for instance the stock fraud investigation, or the Department of Justice investigation which there are six of them looking into poor record keeping, mismanagement of student records, including grades, financial data, and attendance. And take a wild guess at who they are looking at? Not just the high ups but teachers as well.

So don't give AIU teachers too much credit and try to blame the AIU admissions for everything. I even caught one teacher lying about my project and as to whether she actually received it. My adviser had the evidence that the teacher indeed had downloaded the file the teacher still denied it to my adviser who advised the teacher that the matter would be referred higher up.

That took care of that problem.

I've had other problems with this teacher, mainly telling students to go to guru.com to find employment. I politely during live chat informed this teacher that guru.com was not employment agency but where freelancers could find work. She got mad at me like I had insulted her!

Also why do you think that not all teachers list their credentials in their bios? Because according to many AIU insiders including a really good teacher I had at AIU who no problem telling the class his credentials; it is because many AIU teachers are themselves AIU graduates! They have no professional experience and no education beyond what they received at AIU!

Now if these teachers are so proud of AIU why don't they put in their bio's that they went there?

Another thing, don't get worked up over this sacs accreditation, for one simple reason, most schools in this country are on Northeastern Accreditation and that is the only accreditation that counts.

No I can't say why so many well named universities are under sacs accreditation when it amounts to nothing, but it should really be looked at to see if their (sacs) credibility is substantial.

Also take a look at who heads sacs, yes a person who lives in Hoffman Estates! Could that affect their objectivity since that is where AIU is also located? Possibly. This is something that the feds need to deal with as well.

So let's take this a step further and ask some really tough questions.

1. Is sacs accreditation worth anything?

2. Many colleges that AIU credits transfer to are also under sacs accreditation, does that equate to true accreditation, or just one "career" school scratching the other one's back?

3. The fraud issue at AIU is real and not made up so how can posters here support this school, unless they are posting for AIU management, deluded by the school, or just ignorant?

4. What about the DOJ investigations into records tampering by admission reps, teachers, and management at AIU? Why doesn't AIU address that issue in their rebuttals on this site and elsewhere?

Could it be that DOJ is a lot harder to make go away that an accrediting agency that you already have in your pocket?

5. Why have students reported that AIU treats them like gods up until the time they complain about something and then they turn on them? Is this really professional attitudes by people in a position of trust?

6. What about those like myself who contracted with the school for a certain amount and them towards the end of your program you suddenly find yourself signing promissory notes for classes they never told you that were needed to finish your program?

Since many including myself sent them a transcript from the very start they should have known what was needed, but then they wouldn't be able to work in that extra dough at the end of the program when the people really want to finish their degree and move on. That my friends is bate and switch and the last I heard that when it occurs over state lines the feds put somebody in jail for that.

7. You will never get a job out of AIu and please don't lie on this site and say that AIU got you a twenty thousand dollar increase in wages. That's pure bunk because that is not how employers work.

Employers send their employees to school, usually a local community college, never a trade school or online school for training. But in most cases now days the employer has the trainer come to the job site. That is unless you are in criminal justice then you go to Quantico or a state lab for training. No police department would ever send a cop or investigator to AIU for training, they would go to the aforementioned facilities for training so don't even try that on this board. I should know I have an criminal investigator that lives just a block away and he tells me of the "career" school graduates that they ignore when they apply to their department for lack of credentials.

8. AIU does ignore students when they get towards the end of their program. This is well documented not only on this site but in many BBB reports and reports to the FTC.

Please no more sappy stories about AIU was so interested in your and your career and success. Please if you were under federal investigation and were told that if you did not graduate "x" number of students a year you would lose title six funding that you wouldn't be as nice as you could be to get that student through to graduation?

The argument on this site about how concerned your teachers and admission reps were about your success that they helped you all the way through is about the same as the cult was very nice to you telling you how great you were and that they needed you and wanted to look out for you but.. you needed to drink this cup of cool aid.

Get my drift? Don't think that the teachers don't know about this little scam and are not told pass them from your class and get them moving.

I have had group projects where I had the same students from one quarter to another in my project group who did not show up and turned in little if any homework, but when you check the deans list, they are on it.

Another thing, don't say that this degree will transfer to Harvard or school's of that caliber because they won't. Those school's are on the oldest accreditation system in North America and it is called the Northeastern Accreditation.

9. Another excuse used here to support AIU is the fact that many universities are going to online school's. That's an invalid argument due to the fact that those classes involve no labs, and very little interaction with other students. I can guarantee you that you will not find an Ivy league school putting their engineering program online anytime soon. So be careful what you use to support your thesis of AIU being a good school.

First and foremost I have looked at those online classes from universities and you have to attend at least 95% of the online live classes to pass. Don't kid yourself about it being like AIU, it is not. When you take an online class through these schools you are actually visiting a real brick and mortar class that is in session and you are registered for that class and you are a participant in that class, you just happen to be at home.

Think you found the same thing at AIU? No, because there is no real brick and mortar class going on, it is just this virtual campus as AIU likes to call it.

Think about it, no tests, no real hurdle to get into the school, but you pay an enormous fee to go to this school. You would think with a virtual campus that the costs would be much cheaper than they are.

Does this mean that all teachers at AIU are bad,or for that matter AIU admission reps? No some of them are probably good. Some may decide to stay even though they know the school's accreditation problems and other ethical and legal problems because they believe that they can make a difference. I had one professor who provided his credentials on the AIU web site including where he went to school, his grade point average, samples of his best work and what graphic design firms he had worked for in the past.

His reason for working at AIU?

He is an associate professor at a major university and he got into financial trouble and needed the extra money and saw the AIU ad for teachers.

Now that is honesty! But I can't say the same for other teachers who want you to call them professor but don't have the guts to post their education on AIU's web site.

My advice is to find your area and go to a local community college and get all of your gen ed requirements, and then move onto a real university and get the degree you want.

And don't get worked up over financial aid either. You can usually get grants in the state you live in to cover the cost of the community college and you can write really good essays for bigger money for the university end of your schooling. Search major corporations for grants to go to school. You don't have to work for them but you do have to have a killer essay to convince them your worthy of their grant money.

Last but not least, don't let the situation at AIU get you down. I made the mistake too of going to this school because I live thirty miles from a university and didn't want to drive that distance one way so I got lazy and went to AIU and now I'm paying for it in more than one way.

I am working on grants right now to go tot hat university that I was too lazy to attend before. I have good two good years at community college with enough credits to transfer.

So don't give up, but also don't let other people make the same mistake that AIU students have.

Don't pad the truth or make up stuff, just show perspective students the accreditation problems, the DOJ investigations and students complaints and then let them make up their minds.
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#126 Consumer Suggestion

Excuse Me!!

AUTHOR: Nadine - (U.S.A.)

Liz wrote

and I say with all due respect I let it be known again that I am NOT willing to pay twice for self payments and scholar ships. This is the amount that should be deducted from my FA that has been disbursed to AIU. That is my only issue I have and yes it is frustrating since NOBODY at AIU is willing to resolve this issue after I graduated.

Student Advisor changed so often that I cannot count them anymore unless I look it up on my hard copy. As far as FA-advisors, they did not resolve any problems since I have been told over and over again that everything is fine with my FA.
The problems with FA in the course of my studies at AIU are posted on this thread.

What enrollment agreement? What application for admission? Must be an oversight from AIU then fact is AFTER I have been a student for six month I been informed that my application fee for admission is waived! I did not get tested verbally or in writing nor did I submitted a letter of application to see if I could be a prospective student rather then the fact that I have been a person for availability to FA is all that AIU cared about.

With the guidance of the AIU admission advisor I had to apply for a PIN number and fill out a FAFSA application to be accepted as a student for AIU and start my classes. NOT ones did I received anything regarding the result of my application or have I been advised that I have to wait on the results of my transfer credits prior to starting my classes. The above mentioned discrepancies took place little by little in the course of my studies. I recieved one phone call by AIU to inform me I am aprroved for FA and have to hurry to start my classes. In the end I started my very first class in the second week and had to play catch up not to mentioned the fact of transition to an online program.

I truly regret that I am not a quitter and finish what I start has proven to be a financial nightmare and therefore I want except your apology in this matter. Your posting is no more then the bla bla bla ones can hear from all front employees at AIU.

If AIU is so fair and ethical I ask why are all these negative postings? How come that AIU is NOT WILLING to resolve these problems? Calling and writing is received with stone silence and hang-ups or being handed from one incompetent person to another. AIU is NOT investigated for NOTHING and the new tuition changes are of no help to the former student of AIU.

You offer your help? Well, tell the students that have a legit FA complaint how to resolve the problem with AIU without being threatening or welcomed with stone silence. I am positive that it will be resolved one way or another then I want go AWAY

Further this has NOTHING to due with frustration rather then the reality that many face with the FA and advisor experience from AIU and I believe YOU have nothing positve or helpful to add that could remedy victimizing people past present or future.....
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#127 UPDATE Employee

I Hope this helps shed some light...

AUTHOR: Liz - (U.S.A.)

I am sorry to hear of everyone's aggravation

I am so sorry to hear of all of the frustration that some of you have experienced; especially you Angel. I will tell you that I am in management level position with AIU Online, and I am completely in love with what we do. I know that there are probably some bad apples wherever you go to school, but it seems that all of you are speaking out of anger, and not pointing out any of the positives. I am also a current student at AIU Online.

I have been with this university for more than four years and I have seen nothing but positive improvements. I cannot speak for everyone, but I will say that those individuals that I have worked with (students) have been spoken to with respect and regard for their best interest. I work in the admissions department, so I see all of the trials that students have been through to try and earn their degree.

The advisors that I work with operate with integrity only, and will always put the best interest of the student before anything. It's not a sales environment; it is all about Servicing the student.

Again, I apologize for what you experienced, and I wish that you would have called into a queue line for admissions or academics so that we would have been able to guide you in the right direction. The AA program dropped in cost due to AIU Online trying to service our students better.

Any student that had a session (set of classes) starting 8/27/06 or after would have their tuition adjusted for all of the sessions that came on or after 8/27/06 since this is the session that the tuition decrease became effective in.

If you graduated before then, then of course you would not be eligible.

In regards to your friends issue with owing $2,400 to AIU for logging into class, I have to say Read your enrollment agreement in the application for admission that you signed and then submitted to verify acceptance into this university. It clearly states that you will not be charged for courses that you do not take. It has a breakdown of what you are responsible for if you decide to remove yourself from the program.

If your friend would have spoken with her student advisor, then she would have known how to be removed, and not have any financial responsibilities outside of her own pocket.
Once a student is accepted here at AIU Online, they then have the opportunity to work with a FA advisor to advise them on what needs to be completed and why.

At a campus based school, you walk into a room, and you pick up a stack of papers, submit them, and hope that you have done everything correctly. At AIU, you will know what your financial situation is prior to even starting.
Is AIU a little more expensive than a community college? The answer is yes; absolutely. We are a private institution that is regionally accredited by SACS (Southern association of colleges and schools).

This is a private university, not a state school. All schools are great if they provide what you are looking for to fulfill your dream of earning your degree. If you need 24/7 accessibility with great customer service and guidance, then AIU is the school for you to be.

Break down the cost scenario though. You can attend a community college, and for a couple thousand dollars receive your AA degree but what would you have to give up in your life to make time to go to a community college? If you have the opportunity to go to a community college, and spend less money (if this is the deciding factor), then you should not be looking into online programs. That would mean that you are not a good candidate for our programs. It's all about finding a good fit.

I hope that this helped shed some light on the situation. If any of you out there have questions or concerns, please feel free to post them, and I will get back to you at my first available opportunity.

Liz - Chicago, Illinois
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#128 Consumer Suggestion

I need to answer this threat.

AUTHOR: Nadine - (U.S.A.)

What about the honest people!!!! Those that asking the right question and researched before entering into such endeavor to higher education with online schools????

Did you laugh about ME too when I indicated that I have no sob story to tell, that I am NOT unintelligent, poor, the first in the family to go to college, trying to better myself or make it better for my children. NEWSFLASH that one week training and paper to fall back on for any thinkable situation to real a prospective student in don't fit anybody.

I did my research and kept a hard copy of any interaction from start to finish in order obtaining my degree with an online school. Little that I know I have to use said hard copy for evidential material after graduation. So, before this continues to be a mudslinging contest I will say that to all people on this thread.

1. I have my own reason to go to an online school versus a brick and mortar and since I have both experiences the work is the same. No I have no test in that sense yet book work in an accelerated program. I checked out all the professors regarding there education, experience and background and they ALL were very true and legit. Even my classmates have been from a professional background and the students that have not.... disappeared over the course of my degree studies. So, the problem is NOT the educational department. Most people left the educational department after seeing what the admission department is doing to get students.Want look good regarding past employment or resume!!!!!
2. I came across this side in the pursuit of finding out what happen to all the financial aid this school received from the government on my behalf, the self payments, and the scholarships by advice to go here thru a government official. I admit this has been a shock and yet good experience in that I am fighting even harder to get this resolved.
3. People that approach me in going to AIU I discourage and advise them to check out this side. The worst awakening is the fact that the people selling the school are incompetent, uneducated criminals and frauds and therefore can be dealt with very easy.

It is nice to know that in the end with a lot of patients YOU are smarter and better to resolve you financial problems brought on by such imbeciles working for AIU in the admission, student adviser, and FINANCIAL AID departments. Truths, most of these people have general education and don't even know the meaning of higher education. Further, this and other online schools with there boiler room tactics to get students to pay for an over priced degree make it bad on all the legit schools like a community college, university (even ivy league entities) offering online classes and programs.

In the end quit badgering and write about what can be done to STOP this school and help make it better for future students in their endeavor obtaining a higher education. That way it will resolve any bad feelings, emotions and anger knowing we saved others to fall victims.
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#129 UPDATE Employee

Reality

AUTHOR: Robert - (U.S.A.)

I will put this out there and let everyone take from it what ever they want. I am a current employee of CTU Online. I do not work for AIU Online, nor would I want to work for them. Yes CEC is the owning company of CTU and AIU and several other for-profit schools in the United States, and yes they have their own fair share of problems. AIU recently had it's accretitation placed on probation by the SAC accretiting body for several problems inclusing admissions practices.

I do not think that everything at CTU is good, or bad. We are a for-profit school, and the bottom line will always remain the main driving force for the school. Profits keep the stock price up, and the investors happy. Profits can only be driven by enrollments, and only those enrollments that stay and graduate.

Do i agree with everything the school does, no. But do I think that this school does offer something worth the high tuition costs, yes. But not to everyone, and not for everyone.


I know darn well that there are schools that are not online that are lower in tuition costs, and there are some that are online that are lower. There are also those that are higher then CTU.
Our tuition is our tuition and it may be higher then what people are expecting or used to, but I do think that the degrees at CTU Online are worth the costs. You may not, and if you got bad service and bad help, then you are entitled to feel that your tuition you have paid was not of value to you.

The finanical aid department has been under constant changes, and so has the acedemics department because we know we are dropping the ball with some students, and we have to change and get better.

Also we do use call scripts for the 1st call, 2nd call, acceptence call, and a few others. The problem is that many advisors use them so much that they can not make a call to a student without them and thus you can see the issues. These scripts are supposed to be guides, rules, and regulations to follow on what we are allowed to say and what we can not say. Remember we are regionally accretited and some things are not allowed to be discussed between admissions advisors and students becasue of regulations in education.


I can not speak for any other advisor but myself, and I am a firm believer that these scripts are only guides for me. I do not just sit and read them word for word, each student I speak to should be treated with respect and in a professional manner.


yes we are sales driven, as a for-profit school. We want the student to enroll otherwise why the hell are we here calling them? Do we push some students to enroll? Yes, we need them to enroll or we do not make any money. Is the school for everyone? No, and it should be never excused when an advisor enrolls someone that really does not belong in our school. We can not be paid bonuses, and yes we have numbers to hit each month.

I am one advisor in CTU that does care for the people I speak to each day. I fight to help them be realistic about what they are trying to do, and how our school may be able to help them get their degree. I never inflate the truth, and I never hide the cost of tuition from them. I tell them all this is not easy, not a free ride, and by far, not right for everyone.

CTU has been making so many changes over the last 2 years it has bene hard to keep pace. We were not the best in practices 2 years ago, and we were not focused on the students as much as we should have been. We saw the issues at AIU and other for-profit schools as a warning of what would happen if we continued.

We are not perfect, and we still have issues, and students are still not getting the servcies they should be getting, but I can tell you it is changing and getting better.

I have been with CTU for 2 years now. I do not agree with some things DOAs and managers do, but they are not being allowed to continue the same old practices today.

Some people will continue to do unethical things, advisors may lie to potential students just to get an enrollment to get a DOA off their back, but I still believe that CTU is a good school.

If nothing else comes from these problems and reports of employees, past employees, faculity, and students, I see the school making changes to try to be better.

In the end, you the potential student should be the the one that learns the most. If you are searching for a way to finish your degree and online is a potential choice, do your homework.
Look at all the different online schools, compare them to your local community colleges, and full 4 year colleges in your state, and even those outside your state. Look at the tuition costs, the time to finish the degree, research what the h**l a FAFSA is and why you should fill one out. Look for local grants in state that work for online schools also.

Be realistic in your expectations and needs. Education costs will continue to get higher. Federal funding has not kept up either. Find out what is most important to you, the student, and trust your feelings.

If you speak to an admissions advisor at any school, know that each advisor will be different, and treat you differently. Some will be caring and honest with you and want to see you succeed, and others will only care about getting you to enroll at their school, and will tell you anything they can to get you to enroll.
You have to be realistic in your search and questions. Do your homework before you talk to any admissions advisor and that way you can learn the truth in what they tell you, and can verify their information. Admissions in most colleges are sales and numbers driven, I am sorry, but this is a fact. Harvard, to CTU, to MSU, to you local tech school, all need you to enroll and graduate with their school.
Know this and armed with your research, you will be better educated and knowledgable about your true educational needs and if the school your talking to can fit them or not.
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#130 Consumer Comment

Calling all idiots!!!

AUTHOR: Beth - (U.S.A.)

I would like to start off rebuttling to the comment of "AIU / CTU is not anymore a scam than any other college" WHAT???? ARE YOU SERIOUS! Are you trying to say that that AIU /CTU is not a scam? Or are you really saying that ALL colleges are a scam? Either way what a completley ignorant comment.

hmmm "well geez, Aiu /CTU is a scam, but not anymore than any other university". So thay makes it acceptable? Are you seriously kidding me right now? Also, like I said before, the only people on this sight talking positive remarks about the "univeristy" are those that have attended themselves or have known someone who has. Why?? Because they have been scammed and want to make themselves feel better about blowing $50K by lying to themselves that this University is just like everyother school, maybe even "tougher". OKAY HIGHLY DOUBTING it. I am sorry, but taking class from home in your pajamas if you want, and NEVER being tested is not any where on the same level as taking even only 12 semester hours at a real state University. If you think it is, than congratulations on applying to an on-line "school" because you would have never survived a real one. Also, how would you know if the classes are more difficult and testing is not as important as learning real life experience? YOU NEVER WENT TO A REAL SCHOOL?? IF YOU HAD, YOU WOULDNT BE AT AIU / CTU.


By the way, after your scripted 1st interview and after your advisor puts you on hold for the mandatory 5 mins, while you think of your really "imporant thing to say as to why the school should accept you" Your advisor is telling your sob story to the person that is sitting in the cubile with them, and they are usually laughing or feeling sorry for how pathetic your life is. They are not calling a special meeting for review of your application. THERE IS NO SUCH THING. It was something we were told to say so we could put you on hold. A "closing" the deal tactic. We had a week of sales school before we were allowed on the phones with every kind of scenrio that would come up or any kind of questions, you the perspective student may have. They always loved calling it "peeling the onion" finding out your soft spot to always revert back to incase you wanted to back out. WAKE UP PEOPLE!
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#131 Consumer Comment

Wish I had seen this sooner!

AUTHOR: Summer - (U.S.A.)

I too am a former student of AIU Online. Though I wouldn't call myself a student of a worthless so-called "college". I to was a straight A student in the beginning. I have posted my own complaint here just to get my side of the story out, and I wish I had seen all of this sooner.

I am a mother, stepmother and full time housekeeper. I wanted to attend college, so a friend of mine (now a former employee of AIU) said I should give it a try. He now apologizes to me daily that he got me involved with this institution.

I was due for surgery in the middle of two classes. I warned my new councilor 2 MONTHS in advance. She NEVER called me back on it. Correction, she called me 2 DAYS before surgery to tell me I had no choice but to take incompletes or drop out. Not only did I get the F's in those classes, but I also had to drop out.

Now I guess I owe them money, and they put that into collections about 1 week after having to drop out. I have heard people on this board say that it takes longer at other schools, but costs the same. I disagree.

I am now attending another college (which was NOT easy to get into after what AIU did to me) that takes 20 months, not 13, and costs almost $10,000 LESS!! (Did I mention that AIU will send me an UN-official transcript, but they will NOT send me an OFFICIAL transcript to my new university? Also that they would allow me to enroll back with them so that the credits would count?)

A sob story is a sob story, and those of you that SAY you have had a good experience with AIU, "goody for you", others were not so lucky when it came to that craphole that calls itself a school. This is not a "sob story" this is TRUTH.

Where I live there are mostly healthcare institutions, and with a medical degree I could have gotten a real job here while I finished college. 3/4 of the companies I contacted in regards to my degree would NOT accept it if I had finished it. But they WILL accept the one from my current school. Imagine that!

I am glad I had my surgery and was in a way forced to drop from AIU. It was a sign that I shouldn't have been there in the first place.

For future prospective students, if this is your choice, all the power to you, I guess they can't screw everyone. But, I am willing to bet, they will. Play with words if you wish, but in the end everyone sees truth for what it is.

For the Author of this, I THANK YOU!!!! As for those pretentious "happy customers" p*** off and have a nice day.

Summer- Longview WA
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#132 Consumer Comment

Wish I had seen this sooner!

AUTHOR: Summer - (U.S.A.)

I too am a former student of AIU Online. Though I wouldn't call myself a student of a worthless so-called "college". I to was a straight A student in the beginning. I have posted my own complaint here just to get my side of the story out, and I wish I had seen all of this sooner.

I am a mother, stepmother and full time housekeeper. I wanted to attend college, so a friend of mine (now a former employee of AIU) said I should give it a try. He now apologizes to me daily that he got me involved with this institution.

I was due for surgery in the middle of two classes. I warned my new councilor 2 MONTHS in advance. She NEVER called me back on it. Correction, she called me 2 DAYS before surgery to tell me I had no choice but to take incompletes or drop out. Not only did I get the F's in those classes, but I also had to drop out.

Now I guess I owe them money, and they put that into collections about 1 week after having to drop out. I have heard people on this board say that it takes longer at other schools, but costs the same. I disagree.

I am now attending another college (which was NOT easy to get into after what AIU did to me) that takes 20 months, not 13, and costs almost $10,000 LESS!! (Did I mention that AIU will send me an UN-official transcript, but they will NOT send me an OFFICIAL transcript to my new university? Also that they would allow me to enroll back with them so that the credits would count?)

A sob story is a sob story, and those of you that SAY you have had a good experience with AIU, "goody for you", others were not so lucky when it came to that craphole that calls itself a school. This is not a "sob story" this is TRUTH.

Where I live there are mostly healthcare institutions, and with a medical degree I could have gotten a real job here while I finished college. 3/4 of the companies I contacted in regards to my degree would NOT accept it if I had finished it. But they WILL accept the one from my current school. Imagine that!

I am glad I had my surgery and was in a way forced to drop from AIU. It was a sign that I shouldn't have been there in the first place.

For future prospective students, if this is your choice, all the power to you, I guess they can't screw everyone. But, I am willing to bet, they will. Play with words if you wish, but in the end everyone sees truth for what it is.

For the Author of this, I THANK YOU!!!! As for those pretentious "happy customers" p*** off and have a nice day.

Summer- Longview WA
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#133 Consumer Comment

Wish I had seen this sooner!

AUTHOR: Summer - (U.S.A.)

I too am a former student of AIU Online. Though I wouldn't call myself a student of a worthless so-called "college". I to was a straight A student in the beginning. I have posted my own complaint here just to get my side of the story out, and I wish I had seen all of this sooner.

I am a mother, stepmother and full time housekeeper. I wanted to attend college, so a friend of mine (now a former employee of AIU) said I should give it a try. He now apologizes to me daily that he got me involved with this institution.

I was due for surgery in the middle of two classes. I warned my new councilor 2 MONTHS in advance. She NEVER called me back on it. Correction, she called me 2 DAYS before surgery to tell me I had no choice but to take incompletes or drop out. Not only did I get the F's in those classes, but I also had to drop out.

Now I guess I owe them money, and they put that into collections about 1 week after having to drop out. I have heard people on this board say that it takes longer at other schools, but costs the same. I disagree.

I am now attending another college (which was NOT easy to get into after what AIU did to me) that takes 20 months, not 13, and costs almost $10,000 LESS!! (Did I mention that AIU will send me an UN-official transcript, but they will NOT send me an OFFICIAL transcript to my new university? Also that they would allow me to enroll back with them so that the credits would count?)

A sob story is a sob story, and those of you that SAY you have had a good experience with AIU, "goody for you", others were not so lucky when it came to that craphole that calls itself a school. This is not a "sob story" this is TRUTH.

Where I live there are mostly healthcare institutions, and with a medical degree I could have gotten a real job here while I finished college. 3/4 of the companies I contacted in regards to my degree would NOT accept it if I had finished it. But they WILL accept the one from my current school. Imagine that!

I am glad I had my surgery and was in a way forced to drop from AIU. It was a sign that I shouldn't have been there in the first place.

For future prospective students, if this is your choice, all the power to you, I guess they can't screw everyone. But, I am willing to bet, they will. Play with words if you wish, but in the end everyone sees truth for what it is.

For the Author of this, I THANK YOU!!!! As for those pretentious "happy customers" p*** off and have a nice day.

Summer- Longview WA
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#134 Consumer Comment

Quit kidding yourselves

AUTHOR: Greg - (U.S.A.)

7. CTU tuition is not higher then any other public or private college online or traditional.

-----Really? Sorry, the numbers just look higher I guess, or, perhaps New Math is curriculum vitae for CTU and AIU

It seems higher only because of the shorter time required to finish the degree onlien rather then traditional schools. CTU for example like many other online schools, always seem to be higher in tuition at first because you are paying the same tuition at any school over a shorter time frame. 15-30 months can be 1 year and 3 months up to 2.5 years to complete. Traditional schools take up to 4 years to finish.

------Oh, it only seems higher. Thanks for clarifying. So the tuition is only higher at first. Are you counting those $2000-$3000 surprise add on costs that you bill the student for before you will issue the worthless credits?


$45,000 to $50,000 is normal tuition for most schools, ours is done faster so each year of tuition will be higher then a traditional school, but in the end it will be no more then any other school to get the degree.

----------Ah, it will not cost any more than a traditional school....I was worried. So, $50,000 gets me BS from CTU compared to------

University of Nebraska---8 semesters at about $3000 per semester= $24,000 for a BA

University of Texas----8 semesters at $4000 per semester= $32,000 for a BA

University of Nevada----8 semesters at about $3000 per semester= $24,000 for a BA

Now, you also need to consider the numerous University Scholarship opportunities that traditional institutions offer-----

For example, I was the receipient of a Regent's Scholarship, which paid my tuition, but not fees or books-----8 semesters at $400 per semester= $3200 for my BA, and I even had to take tests.

So, you can keep deceiving yourself about the how great your school is, and what a value, but stop deceiving those that actually want to get accurate information.
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#135 UPDATE Employee

You get out what you put in.

AUTHOR: Robert - (U.S.A.)

I have worked for CTU for over two years now. I started my classes a little over a year ago. I will just say this, people get out only what they put into what they do. The school at CTU offers people a chance to change their life. People that many other schools would not bother to look at for enrollment. These people might never have had the chance of a college degree without a school like CTU that took the time to give them the chance they never knew was possible.

I will also say this about those people that worked for the company and think the company is unethical or a rip-off. Not everything the school has done has been the best business choice but the direction the school is tying to go is the right choice. The school has it's share of admissions advisors and managers that will do things unethical, say things outside of the policy or accretitation rules, and do anything to push an enrollment. Students do get enrolled when maybe the school is not the right school for them.

I personally can not even begin to try to explain all the issues some people seem to have with the school, or how they might feel as being ripped-off. I know sometimes things are said and done that are not the best or ethical. I have seen companies outside of our school do really unethical things to make a profit, and I have also seen other public colleges take students to the cleaners with financial aid.

My only point is this, it happens, and many times it is happening because of small numbers of employees doing something they never should have done to begine with in the first place. I have talked with admissions advisors I know were doing unethical things, and I have had to explain to them this can not happen no matter if you have zero enrollments for the month or 14. Regional accretitation is something our school is proud of, and it only takes one dumb advisor to open their mouth and say something unethical ir illegal to take that away.

Our school is not perfect, and no school is perfect. I talk to each possible student the exact same way, with respect, professionalism, and ethically. I help explain to them exactly what they are about to enter into with getting their education with CTU. This is not an easy degree, it takes hard work and time. I also explain this is not a free ride either, it will cost them and they will have to pay it back later.

I know financial aid reps make mistakes all the time, the whole financial aid system in the United States is out of control and changes every day. It is hard to know everything, and mistakes do happen. I can not speak for these employees who might feel it ok to be unethical, fake numbers, push a student to enroll that never should enroll just to get the enrollment. I know it happens, it is a sales environment people. I get no financial increase in pay, no bonus, no paid time off extra, nothing for enrolling a student. It is illegal in education to have any incentive to enroll someone into a school.

I recommend that any person interested in a college degree take the time to research exactly what they want, and what they are getting into before they jump the gun and find themselves in trouble. Yes this might go against the grain with how CTU enrolls students quickly, but people, most of our market of studnets are older people who have become experts at putting things off, so we have to push them harder. The difference is not every admissions advisor does things the same way, or under policy with ethics sadly.

If you want a college degree from any college, public, private, for profit or not, follow a few simple rules.
1. Research and compare schools you are interested in going to.
2. List you requirements for getting the degree such as career reasons, more income, higher position, or just to get it.
3. Go to www.fafsa.ed.gov and learn about this government financial aid form in detail, every and all college studnets in the United States has to fill one out to get any federal funding.
4. Be realistic, every single student will have some level or funding as a student loan that must be paid back after school is finished. Federal Stafford loans are common, with some studnets having to find more funding to cover the remaining costs because federal funding is currently behind the tuition scale today.
5. If you are in it for a free tuition ride, go home. You do not belong in college. Unless your rich, professional sports player, or know someone rich to help you pay for it, you will have to pay like everyone else, with loans.
6. Online is not for everyone. It requires a different amount of time and work then traditional classes. It is accelerated and can be finished quickly in 15 to 30 months roughly. It depends on your current education level, and needs. Because is faster then traditional, the cost is higher then what people are normally used to seeing.
7. CTU tuition is not higher then any other public or private college online or traditional. It seems higher only because of the shorter time required to finish the degree onlien rather then traditional schools. CTU for example like many other online schools, always seem to be higher in tuition at first because you are paying the same tuition at any school over a shorter time frame. 15-30 months can be 1 year and 3 months up to 2.5 years to complete. Traditional schools take up to 4 years to finish.
$45,000 to $50,000 is normal tuition for most schools, ours is done faster so each year of tuition will be higher then a traditional school, but in the end it will be no more then any other school to get the degree.

If you keep these things in mind you can be much more educated when trying to make a choice of what college to enroll into, online or traditional. I do not enroll everyone trust me, and I hate turning students away, but if this is not right for them, they do not belong at CTU. I try to be ethical and professional at all times. But in the real world sometimes people will take the short cuts, the easy road, and be unethical. Just take your time and research things, and if you do not like what you find, look some place else.
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#136 Consumer Comment

Not a rip off

AUTHOR: Robert - (U.S.A.)

I am on the faculty of a major public university and want to say that AIU is no more or less a "rip off" than any other college. My wife graduated from AIU last summer in their Digital Design Bachelor of Fine Arts Degree program.

I observed a lot of the online lectures and reviewed a lot of my wife's homework and projects. The online delivery of content was top notch and the instructors were all experts in their fields, actually practicing within their given fields. All courses covered both theory and practical application.

I noticed a trend among her classmates: those who put in hard work and stayed the course got out what they put into it. Funny - it sounds just like the private university I attended (Phoenix) and the public university where she and I BOTH currently work (yeah, they considered those degrees credible because our work experience and the interviews proved them so).

Why so expensive? Well, I have to guess that it's because they don't get as much up front funding from the governments (federal and state) as the public university where we work. Think they're all about money? Work in the Provost office of any major public university and see what drives the decision-making processes... it's ALWAYS about money. Money for "research", money for salaries, money for all kinds of things, necessary and bogus alike.

The quality of education in some classes was better (experts in their field with high expectations) and in some classes left something to be desired (just like some of the slacker professors around here). That's no different from any other school.

Recruiting practices? Those also vary from one school to the next, as do admission requirements.

A rip off? I'll tell you about a rip-off: Try getting a D- in an Art History class because the professor finds out that you don't agree with her politics (what do they have to do with Art History anyway?)! Or have a History professor refuse to even grade your exam for the same reason. That same History professor required a book we never touched and the bookstore wouldn't buy back. A closer look at the book revealed that the professor was the author! Both happened to me at the University of Maryland in 1995.

Bottom line: AIU is not a rip off. People just need to research what they're getting into before they jump.
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#137 UPDATE EX-employee responds

Nadine Good for you!

AUTHOR: Beth - (U.S.A.)

Nadine, I wish I had the time to write or lobby my legislatures or senators to make them aware of the illegal activities that go on at AIU/CTU. Specifically the "call center" from Hoffman Estates. I am glad to see that you have taken the first step into contacting investagitive reports. As an EX employee, I am willing to give you any and all information I can regarding what a sick company this is. Also, I do not need anyone rebuttling to this blog that has had a positive experience with AIU/CTU, you are 1 in a million if it is true, you must be extremely wealthy to not care about throwing money away, and you must be a complete reject to have this institution as your only choice for an education.


I just have one question. I feel no need to repeat what a scam these institutions are and I see as an X employee from over 2 years ago, AIU/CTU's practices have not gotten any better, but perhaps even worse.

FOR GRADUATES (alumni if that is not too pathetic to say) or current students.......
Question #1: Why are you even researching your university and the "supposed" scams they are involved in? If you are so confident that their practices are law abiding and moral? I went to a REAL university and NEVER did I type in the name of it on the internet followed by the word(s) "SCAM" or "RIP-OFF". (which is really the only way you were able to get to this website).
WHY ARE YOU EVEN ON THIS WEBSITE?

Comment 2: Has anyone else noticed the trend that the only people on this thread that are throughly upset by the comments are the current students or graduates of this institution? I mean obviously it is embarassing knowing you have completely and totally been scammed espeacially when 100's of people are posting the script they used on every student verbatim on the internet, knowing they fell for it, but are now trying to act like they got thier moneys worth. Its funny, I dont see a website for AIU/CTU success stories anywhere around. But there are PLENTY of the SCAM/RIPOFF ones. FOR ALL OF THOSE WHO HAVE BEEN SCAMMED.

It is okay, in about 30 years you will be done paying all of those loans. And just think of the GREAT education you received along the way. Lets not forget about the professional admissions advisor helping guide you, all along the way through those tough internet courses. (The internet courses that never TESTED any of your knowledge, rather had assignments through "real" life projects. (That was my other favorite line to tell people) They all were suckered in after that one. No TESTS??? They would ask. "Well hear at CTU we feel testing is not a real reflection of learning, so we rather base learning on projects with "real life experience" as a way of getting to really know a subject". WOW, is this how Stanford and Harvard are going it now? Because we always had to tell every "COW' (contract on the way) that CTU had the same accredidation as Harvard and Stanford. What a PATHETIC JOKE!! PEOPLE IF YOU ARE STUDENTS YOU HAVE BEEN SCAMMED!! I Know that if you receieved a "higher" education from this place you might not be able to figure it out yet, since they apparantly don't teach those "real life experiences" but you have, now do something about it. Try to get your money back, do something.

P.S. As mentioned in other threads, AIU/CTU PAYS A ROOM FULL OF PEOPLE TO SEARCH THE WEB ALL DAY TO MAKE UP FAKE NAMES,E-MAILS and write back positive things to say about the school. They even go to measures to have certain threads and message boards blocked. if they are so innocent, what is the big deal?


I am not a disgruntled Ex Employee, I am just a regular, average person trying to give advise to someone who may be making a HUGE mistake.
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#138 Consumer Comment

no employment to advance in my field of study...

AUTHOR: Nadine - (U.S.A.)

Peter wrote......

I am working for the court system in a halfway house for non violent drug offenders. This is a job that actually requires a degree in social work and therfore pays very little compare to what I could be doing with my degree. Police work I am to old for and correction, security and bailbonds due not require a degree for employment in this state.

Also, to the person saying that ivy-university are not looking at this degree..... Yes the are if you have the financial means and pass the admission test to be considered for the degree of your choice. For example law school requires very hard testing before even be considered.

I have a problem with the admission from AIU since it is boiler room tactic that they are using which is highly illegal. They will due everything from harrassing to lying to get there quota filled.

My main problem is the FA department that defrauds people and I am gratefull that there are laws in place so that people can fight back. It takes time and is very hard yet it can be done. Fact remains in my case I am expected to pay back per class $2692.00 and that includes self payments and scholars plus federal pell grants. Only because I agreed for direct disbursments to AIU for my education? Dont think so I say.

I am getting smarter in my research ,talk to alot of people, wrote and send alot of complains and have now contacted the TV investagative News. They are very interested and I must say to be greatful of keeping very good record regarding all FA transaction from AIU.

Education is important to alot of people and should NOT be abused by these criminals and frauds that are getting richer by the minute with the hard earned money from people that are being lied to every day by AIU.

Let it be known that I want go away and will due what ever it takes to get this matter resolves. My determination and strong will is lethal since I don't alow in-justice of any kind. If I can provent prople to go thru what I have been then I have done my job going public.
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#139 Consumer Suggestion

Criminal Justice jobs and AIU

AUTHOR: Peter - (U.S.A.)

Nadine said:
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What part of the criminal justice field are you working in? Is it state or municipal policing? Generally, police jobs are the subject of civil service laws which require uniformity in assessment. A typical civil service job posting may require a "Bachelor's Degree in Criminal Justice from an accredited college or university." Note that the posting does not address whether the accredited college or university is on probation with the accrediting agency; it only requires accreditation.

Generally there is an appeals process if you feel your rights were violated under civil service law. If your AIU degree is not being accepted by a government agency on the basis that AIU is on probation, I would appeal the decision.

If you're not talking about a government agency, can you say what kind of employer we ARE talking about?
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#140 Consumer Comment

Unbelievable and very confusing to say the least

AUTHOR: Nadine - (U.S.A.)

I am reading this thread and I am extremely confused and hurt regarding these comments.

I don't know what is going on regarding being employed by AIU since I have no experience other then being a student and now graduated from AIU with a GPA of 3.98 (no perfect 4.00 since I had a B in the very first class missing the A by one point) since 2005.

First the financial aspect of AIU: During my enrollment at AIU I have been very adamant and concise regarding the cost of my degree and been told a fast set amount that would be covered through FA before starting the program.

After I have been in my third core class I have been informed by AIU-advisers and FA (and I had many in the course of my studies) that one previous school will not be accepted into my credits and I had to take three challenge test to make up for it which I did and past. There are only three challenge test offered and they are Computer Application, English Composition, and Contemporary Math. Just to proof that I have been there.

After class fife I have been contacted again by AIU adviser and FA and informed I cannot get "repackaged" unless I take extra credit classes which of course I can CLEP out of which AIU gave me a 3 week timeline to fulfill or I will lose my financial aid.

I went to a nearby college that accepted CLEP tests and I took one (foreign language) which I received 18 credits for and AIU in return credited me for three credit classes Humanity 1-3 which came to 12 credits and to this day I due not know what happen to the remaining 6 credits since all my probing remained fruitless with AIU.

I had straight A's and checked my financial and class requirement page every day only to find more classes added to it without being informed by AIU. When I called yet another adviser giving to me I had been told that I need to take the classes to get my required 120 credits to graduate.

Also, I got no excess to a class I attended one day with out any information by AIU and again had to investigate on a Sunday no less to find out that they need me to sign a promissory note (Immediately no less) in order to be covered for the reminder of my studies.

Further, I like to add being on the deans list for the majority of my studies I applied for scholarships that I indeed received plus I had to make self payments through out my studies which in the end combined added up to $10.812.00. That is not including Pell grand's, subsidized and unsubsidized loan disbursements from the government that AIU received through the course of my studies.

Now I shall pay back $ 34.851.00 which includes the self payments/scholarships and loans that should not be paid back. In the end I pay double and now fighting to get this resolved.

The degree from AIU: I have been all over the net and local agencies to get employment. I have made it my daily work to follow up leads and go to interviews with the result that I been told many times by prospective employers that they DO NOT accept my degree since it came from an online university that is being investigated .

Even when I starded a job I been terminated with the reason "we consider your degree as no valid at this time". Today I am employed with people having the same degree from a brick and mortar university and I earn for the exact same work $ 20.000 less a year.

Since I have no experience other then AIU online classes I must say that it is very hard work and a lot of dedication and persistent went into it on my part. I had great professors and made wonderful classmates throughout my studies. We had to submit one individual paper, attend chat room witt professors at hand and the requirement of talking only pertaining to subject matter, post a discussion board and reply in a professional manner to other postings, and work on a group project. All this for one class of fife weeks with a deadline to follow or losing points for late submission and I am not complaining since that is my only online experience.

Now, over a year later after graduating I have to say that across the board over 30% of my former classmates have similar problems with there degree and FA from AIU. The sad part is that most of my classmates come from very experienced background in the criminal justice field yes that is my degree "Criminal Justice" and going through similar things then I am.

As far as being excused making typos or being inadequate I have to say that this is not the issue hear yet I like to add that I am a foreigner and came 22 years ago (legal) without any language knowledge to this country which I have made my home. Today I am proud to be in this country.

I am writing this simply to make others aware of my experience with AIU and perhaps find a way to remedy the FA problems I have with them to this day.

As for the person with the "get over it" I am not a dumb person and had researched before going to AIU. My circumstances leaning tor an online degree has been my home situation in that I raised as a widow a severely handicapped son into adult hood and got burned out in my previous position as nurse.

My zest for law has been my motivation to change my courier. Further I am on the phone and get everything in writing regarding AIU from the FAFSA, Sallie Mae, Wachovia Bank, Attorney General, and the U.S. Department of Education.

I will most certainly update my post us to the results of my endeavor regarding the fraudulent aspect of FA from AIU.
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#141 UPDATE Employee

Its not the right place for all

AUTHOR: Eileen - (U.S.A.)

First of all, I would like to apologize to any student who felt like they were lied to. I am currently an admissions advisor at AIU Buckhead. I personally love working here. I have the opportunity to speak with people from all over this country about their life experiences and why they are looking to make a life change, keeping in mind that AIU is not always the best fit for that student. They are contacting us to seek advice and we should provide them with the correct advice even if that means the student attending another school.

As for Dirc and his comments about AIU being a rip-off and CEC being a terrible company, I am pretty sure that you understood what your job role was before you were hired. I know when I interviewed with AIU and Le Cordon Bleu, I was fully aware that as an admissions advisor I was held accountable not only for enrolling but starting and ultimately graduating students. It sounds to me that Dirc never believed in the school, therefore he set himself up for failure. If you do not believe in the school, how can you expect your student to?

AIU is not meant to be a Harvard. It is an alternative to students who seek education outside of the traditional college setting. As for making 150 dials a day well that is your job. Contacting prospective students who wish to learn more about AIU. It sounds to me that AIU was not the right place for you. I encourage you to go and work for some of our competitors and see how they run their business. I can guarantee you, that you do not know pressure my friend. I started at Le Cordon Bleu two years ago, had a great experience but decided I was onto greener pastures.

That greener pasture was ITT, I am not going to disparage ITT but I can say that the pressure was unbelievable. Which is why I am working for AIU, they provide me with the training and support I need to be a successful advisor. Since working here, I have never felt pressure to enroll a student just for an enrollment nor have I felt like I should question my integrity.

Oh and one more thing, Dirc, those who live in glass houses shall not cast stones. In the year i was employed their i have only heard complaints from students. It should read In the year I was employed there, I have only heard complaints from students. I am sure you received a phenomenal education from a traditional university but we all make mistakes. Good luck to you homey
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#142 Consumer Comment

SASCOC Disclosure Statement

AUTHOR: Patricia - (U.S.A.)

I am currently a student at A.I.U. and most of the claims are true. I was rushed into something I was not financially ready for, however now that I am attending, I love it (and hate it too) as I am pleased with furthering my education and yes it is very hard, tests required or not! All of my professors to date have been very helpful and I have maintained a 3.8 to 4.0 since I started. It is not easy and they are not a dimploma mill, however they are on probation and they are up for review in December of 2006 and though I love the school, yes I am changing schools before then. I am just hanging in a bit longer because of the accelerated pace in which the degree is earned! I am 30 and have 4 kids, the clock is ticking and I need a career to support my family.

Below is the address for the disclosure at SASCOC. This should clarify exactly what they did and why they are on probabtion, and yes I think they are going to lose their accreditation so I'm bailing and moving on while I can!
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#143 UPDATE Employee

Please get your facts straight

AUTHOR: John - (U.S.A.)

I would like to take a moment to address some of what I have found on this site from "ex-employees" from AIU and CTU.

First I would like to acknowledge that some of what they have said is very true. For instance as an employee of either AIU or CTU you are required to meet certain acceptable performance standards, same as any other job you would hold. This means that if you do not meet those standards than you are terminated from employment.

In regards to the individual who stated she would not dial 150 people in a day or meet the expectations set forth by AIU I am amazed, that you were given an ASM position and not sent out the door for lack of adherence to performance standards.

Many people leave the company bitter and unhappy due to the fact that they feel slighted since they were terminated for not meeting the expectations of their position. Would you keep an employee who was told they needed to do the job they were hired for and then failed to do said job to the standard that was required? I didn't think so since none of us would pay someone to sit around and not do anything.

Also I would like to state for the record that we do not work on commission. It would be a violation of accreditation standards. We are paid a salary for what we do and is not changed, one way or the other, due to how many people we enroll at the University.

I would also like to thank the individual who posted the information she got from SACS about our accreditation come September. She is telling the truth, we will be Regionally accredited come September, at least I would hope so since Regional accreditation is what the goal of any institution of higher learning should be striving for. Look on the SACS website and see what other schools are Regionally Accredited as well, we sit in good company.

We are not a "degree mill". A degree mill would simply have you send some money and then ship you a pretty little piece of paper with a foil stamp on it that says you are a rocket scientist or something to that affect, without ever taking a single class.

In my experience in the corporate world, the people who post these angry bitter posts on sites are usually people who were not willing to do their job. Instead that sat around collecting a paycheck for surfing the internet, doing crosswords, chatting with their neighbors or whatever else it is you do while everyone else willing to put in the work busts their a*s to cover for your very real lack of motivation and work ethic.

Oh and I am a student with the University as well. So I truly believe in what we do. I find great solace every night when I go home that the people I have enrolled in school are on the road to better things in their lives. I also feel a deep sense of sadness when I lose a student for whatever reason. Not because of the number or any kind of pressure to do well but because that person is giving up once again on attaining a degree to help them do something more with their life than they have been.

I can't tell you how many people have written me telling me "thank you" for believing in them and not giving up on them like so many others before me. Does that mean that is everyone I have dealt with? No. Are there people who are mad and unhappy with AIU or CTU? Of course there are. Just like there are people who are unhappy with the dinner they just had at a restraunt that others dine at regularly.

Just like people dislike the University of (insert state here) and transfer to another, swearing out loud the whole time about how horribly they were treated. Does it happen? Sure, and that is unfortunate. I know the people I work with everyday fight for every student we work with to make sure they are afforded every opportunity to succeed.
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#144 Consumer Comment

Rebuttal and Success from AIU On-line Degree

AUTHOR: Kimberly - (U.S.A.)

I graduated from AIU this year with a bachelor's in business management. My GPA was 3.96 and I have been admitted to one of US News Reports Top Tier University's for my MBA program. I am really tired of hearing students and employees bash AIU because they were either unhappy as employees or unsuccessful students. It takes a lot of discipline to succeed in an on-line program whether you are attending a for- profit college or traditional brick and mortar.

As it relates to academics, AIU may be an easy institution to enter however it is not easy to pass the classes. The work load is very similar to that of the brick and mortar university that I attended prior to selecting AIU. At times the curriculum seemed more complicated as you have 1 week to complete 2 to 3 lengthy assignments, however that's to be expected from accelerated program.

If you are not technically savvy, dedicated to academia, or an independent learner then on-line education is not for you. For those of us who are currently in the business world and require an accelerated degree program for advancement, from a regionally accredited university, AIU is a great choice. In addition, AIU coursework is accepted at some of the best universities in the country as long as your GPA is above 3.2, and mine was 3.96.

Signed:
2006 Summa c*m Laude AIU Grad and 2008 MBA Grad from a top tier Univerity
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#145 UPDATE EX-employee responds

Diploma Mill

AUTHOR: Mary - (U.S.A.)

I am a former of employee of AIU & everything about its tactics is true. You are given 300 leads a month & you better make due. You have a monthly quota of 12 students a month. You are required to have atleast 150 dials a month but i did not not do it. I was able to get promoted to a ASM where there i saw a lot of changes. We were told to get the student to start no matter what. Students were strung on to the cutoff day so that they were stuck paying the school for attending the 1st week. Which means that students owed the school. I quit because i could not be dishonest to students any longer plus the script was so darn stupid. I am now working for one of the more elite schools that has no script & you only talk to students who really want to got to school. The University i work for has been rated #1 when it comes to Benefit & cost. I do not have a script i just ask questions that are important for me to make a decision on the candidates.

My employer told us that AIU has lost their acreditation. Well sad to say i am not surprise. I did a little research call SACS & explain that you are a current student & that you would like to know will your degree be accredited in September? Listen very well on what the response is. In september the degree that you thought will good will only be good to wipe your XXX with. Their tuition has been reduced by $6,000 because of this. Trust me AIU is really feeling the crunch.

If you do not believe me call SACS. These degrees will have REGIONAL ACCREDITATION IN SEPTEMBER 2006. Get out while you can transfer asap so that have a chance to finish & recieve your degree because after septemebr it will be too LATE.
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#146 Consumer Comment

Much Ado About Nothing

AUTHOR: Mary - (U.S.A.)

I have read most of the comments posted here regarding AIU/CTU and CEC (the parent company). I'd be the first to report a ripoff (and I have), but I can't see the logic in some of the statements.

First, people are expressing concerns over the accreditation probation status of AIU. SACS (Southern Assoc. of Colleges and Schools) is one of the -toughest- accreditors around. In fact, it's not uncommon for top-notch schools to be on the hot seat. Here is a partial list from their site regarding schools that were removed from probation status. Notice that even Texas A&M is on the list.

Commission on Colleges
Southern Association of Colleges and Schools
Actions taken by the Commission on Colleges
December 5, 2005

At its meeting on December 5, 2005, the Commission on Colleges of the Southern Association of Colleges and Schools took the following actions regarding the accreditation status of institutions reviewed. The following list does not include the names of institutions required only to submit additional monitoring reports unless the review resulted in a negative or an adverse action.

The Commission reaffirmed the accreditation of the following institutions:

Asbury Theological Seminary, Wilmore, Kentucky
Catawba College, Salisbury, North Carolina
Florida Gulf Coast University, Fort Myers, Florida
Florida Institute of Technology, Melbourne, Florida
Fundacion Universidad de las Americas-Puebla, Puebla, Mexico
Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta, Georgia
Georgia Southern University, Statesboro, Georgia
Greensboro College, Greensboro, North Carolina
Johnson Bible College, Knoxville, Tennessee
Lee University, Cleveland, Tennessee
Louisiana State University Health Sciences Center, New Orleans, Louisiana
Louisiana State University in Shreveport, Shreveport, Louisiana
Louisiana Tech University, Ruston, Louisiana
Marine Corps University, Quantico, Virginia
Mercer University, Macon, Georgia
Rollins College, Winter Park, Florida
Southeastern Louisiana University, Hammond, Louisiana
Southern Christian University, Montgomery, Alabama
Sullivan University, Louisville, Kentucky
Texas A & M International University, Laredo, Texas
Texas A & M University-Kingsville, Kingsville, Texas
Texas Tech University, Lubbock, Texas
Union College, Barbourville, Kentucky
University of Alabama, Tuscaloosa, Alabama
University of Alabama at Birmingham, Birmingham, Alabama
University of the Incarnate Word, San Antonio, Texas
The University of Memphis, Memphis, Tennessee
University of New Orleans, New Orleans, Louisiana
University of St. Thomas, Houston, Texas
The University of South Florida, Tampa, Florida
The University of Tampa, Tampa, Florida
The University of Tennessee, Knoxville, Tennessee
The University of West Florida, Pensacola, Florida
Wesleyan College, Macon, Georgia
Western Kentucky University, Bowling Green, Kentucky

The Commission reaffirmed accreditation of the following institutions and removed them from
sanctions:

Coastal Bend College, Beeville, Texas (removal from Probation)
Enterprise-Ozark Community College, Enterprise, Alabama (removal from Warning)
Episcopal Theological Seminary of the Southwest, Austin, Texas (removal from Warning)
St. Mary's University, San Antonio, Texas (removal from Warning)
South College, Knoxville, Tennessee (removal from Warning)
The Commission granted initial accreditation to the following institutions:
Atlanta Technical College, Atlanta, Georgia (Level I)
Graduate Institute of Applied Linguistics, Dallas, Texas (Level III)
The Institute for the Psychological Sciences, Arlington, Virginia (Level V)
The University of Texas MD Anderson Cancer Center, Houston, Texas (Level V)
(Institution was formerly accredited as part of the University of Texas Health Science Center at Houston)

Second, AIU was decimated under its prior parent company (EduTrek) while in the hands of one shady Mr. Steven Bostic. AIU and CTU have been working hard (under CEC) to recover from the losses of the greedy Mr. Bostic. While he was the CEO of EduTrek and AIU was under his "care", he managed to dilute the educational quality and shoot the stock value to pennies.

Third, if you think that a "for profit" school is only AIU or CTU (or any online school) and is out to get money with nothing to offer in return, take a look at your community colleges and other universities. THEY also rely on TUITION, FEDERAL FUNDS, and STATE FUNDS to continue to operate.

You can't fault AIU or CTU for wanting to maintain accreditation and their variety of funding sources, as do your local colleges.

I'm not a student or employee; I just did some research and found some balance in the perspective. Mt. Steve Bostic is no longer part of AIU or CTU, but he wants to get $2M from the new parent company. He deserves nothing!

No one should fear working toward a degree with AIU or CTU. If you encounter a crabby employee, ask to speak with someone else. There's no excuse for poor treatment of potential or current students!

Much has been done to work out the problems caused by the former parent company. It couldn't be fixed overnight. There are stricter measures in place regarding their Financial Aid Dept. All you have to do is dig in deeper into researching accreditation in general, SACS in particular, and Steven Bostic. Voila!
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#147 Consumer Comment

Former AIU student

AUTHOR: Diana - (U.S.A.)

I am amazed at how people try to discredit the University by calling their degrees "useless". I've done my research on regional accreditation and I am sure that the degrees are not "useless". Even if AIU is on probation by the SACS, I'm sure most of the credits I earned during the Bachelor's program will transfer unless I applied for Harvard or Yale (which I intend not too). I recently visited a site that discussed accreditation and they even stated that every school has its own requirements in their educational system. I've met people who took courses at Universities here in Ohio and some of their credits didn't transfer. That's just the nature of colleges.

My sister who works for Spelman, contacts me all the time and gives me the inside information on the quality of education there. She told me that the professors were passing students who weren't even qualified. She's been complaining about this for years. Believe you me that is the state of most of the colleges in our country. The quality of education is not what it used to be no matter what school you attend.

Today I'm going to contact Kent State University (of whom I was accepted right after high school) with an inquiry about my credits earned from American Intercontinental University.
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#148 Consumer Comment

CTU Online as good as any online university

AUTHOR: Mark - (U.S.A.)

I have just read a number of whining complaints that CTU Software Engineering grads cannot program or even use a text editor. This is ridiculous. I am taking only my 6th class (I started as a junior after getting 12 test-out credits and 14 credits for work experience + old college experience) and I have been taught enough java to get an entry level B.S.S.E job. I now understand classes, objects, interfaces, packages, variables, types, exceptions and basic UML. I know how to use Borland JBuilder. Now maybe I just got lucky in my assignment of professors, but I don't think so.

Online education is a largely do-it-yourself undertaking. The progessors give two one hour lectures per week (live voice and text chats that can be reviewed later) and have two hours per week of in-office one-on-one time, but in general there is no one to hold your hand. If you are just out of high school, don't know how to write well, and have never seen a computer text editor before, CTU is probably not the place for you to get a Software Engineering Degree. Go to a county college for a couple of years, get some basic background on programming, and then go from there.

But if you are self motivated and don't mind working hard in a fast paced environment, CTU is as good as any. The professors vary from terrific to disinterested, but you could probably make the same statement about any school, online or brick and mortar. The academic program is based on real world applications and group work (like in the real world), and that takes some getting used to.

Up until last semester they posted the class average grades on the grade page, and let me tell you, they are not giving away A's.

I think CTU is a good place for an experienced adult to finish his or her degree, with good quality and value for the money.
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#149 Consumer Comment

Soon-to-be AIU student - Pleased!

AUTHOR: Lauren - (U.S.A.)

I have spent 5 years in very prestigious universities - both taking classes online and at the campus. Yes, there are many diploma mills out there, but none of the universities I attended would have fallen under that category. The Academy of Art University is one of the universitites I took online classes through - and those credits are accepted at every other university I have gone to.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with an online education. I did not change universities because I was flunking out - I simply changed schools the same way some people move or change jobs - I was bored and wanted something different. My GPA is currentl 3.5 - I'm no slacker when it comes to class work.

I prefer the online environment because it is self-motivated. I am more responsible about getting things done (assignments, projects, etc.) when it's up to ME to get them done - without having a professor beating me over the head about it. And, honestly, that's exactly what the work environment would be like for me as a freelance graphic designer. The online enviroment had prepared me for my field better than any ground campus could have.

As far as AIU goes, I have no complaints so far. I begin classes next week. Yes, the admissions people probably read off a script, but so did University of Phoenix and several other universities I contacted. Most admissions counselors do to an extent.

Financial Aid was easy - but it's never been a complicated procedure for me. As far as some previous comments about the Sallie Mae loans - my interest rate has never been that high. I have a large percentage of my student loans (both federal and private) out with them and have NO complaints.

The only thing I have a bit of a problem with is how frequent I am called by the various people I have to deal with - admissions, academic advisor, financial aid, etc. I hate talking on the phone so it's irritating when the could have just sent me an email.

Overall I would say that many of these negative comments are over the top. I know everyone has a different experience but as far as labeling this a "diploma mill" - I don't think that's true.

An online education is not for everyone - that's for sure - and if you're thinking about doing it, research it and make sure you can be as self-motivated as you need to be to get it done.
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#150 Consumer Comment

AIU Online Golden Experience

AUTHOR: Jasmine - (U.S.A.)

To the gentleman who asked us to stop cluttering his e-mail box with all the praise and wonderful comments for AIU, you sir are a clown. Of course not everyone will have wonderul experiences with every business but I feel that many of these statements are incredibly unfair! Maybe you should reconsider opening your mouth and spewing words of hatred IF you expect no retort.

I worked incredibly hard for my degree because AIU has established a curriculum that is both challenging and stimulating. I had attended a physical campus for over three years at a very prestigious school when I decided to turn tail and run because I was tired of all the BS and malarchy. There was so much repetition of elementary concepts that I don't ever recall getting anywhere. It was ridiculous!

Giving everyone an opportunity to learn is not a crime. What is criminal is when those people turn around and badmouth a school which causes problems for the rest of us who actually take pride in their accomplishments. I guarantee all the problems you experienced at AIU you WILL at some point or another experience them at a different school. That is just the educational system as a whole, people.

As for employers not valuing the degree, I have about 5 corporate entities and their $45K+ salaries pounding on my door who would be willing to beg pardon with you.

The people at AIU always treated me like a person with kindness and utmost respect. No one ever looked down their nose at me and the instructors were very caring and knowledgeable in their respective fields of instruction. I am now a BFA graduate as of May 6, 2006 and proud of it. Anyone who calls AIU Online or otherwise a degree mill is clearly not fit to be taught and has some growing up to do about what it really takes to earn a degree and pay your tuition bills on time!
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#151 Author of original report

STOP!!

AUTHOR: Dirc - (U.S.A.)

Please any one who reads this report do not respond! I am completely sick and tired of getting these d**n notices in my email box. The continued entries of people satisfied and praising their education is ridiculous. I was just trying to make a point by letting this go. It is truly my belief that anyone making these positive statements is a CEC employee. I know people hired at the company who was once were admission advisors, and now they sit online all day, reading over these statements and making up false names and stories to shed, or hope to shed, a positive light on the injustices CEC does with 95% of their students. The other 5% may be happy with their education, but the fact remains they were tricked in the first place. Every student enrolled in CEC's universities was told the exact same thing. The entire initial admission discussion with an advisor is a mental game, and is a script. Every advisor, of which there are hundreds, tell every student, which they are thousands, THE EXACT SAME THING. They get a piece of paper and are trained to ?bond? with people by trying to find some common ground to make more of a personal relations ship. They try to make you feel like you can't get in, and then they let you in?.everyone. No one in my time was turned away?.how great is your degree going to be if there are no admission requirements or tests, and everyone gets it?.

Give me a break?.

I will now pose a question?.Why if you really are a student and happy are you wasting your time on this site?....Shouldn't you be doing something better with your time. I posted my initial complaint for anyone thinking about going to online school. Anyone with a little common sense to research what they are getting themselves into.

So, DO NOT respond to this posting any more. I think everyone that says something positive is lying and paid by CEC to attempt to bring a positive image out of these valid complaints?

Actually, please do respond if you don't believe me?.i will then, to the best of my ability, or by contacting current employees which are still friends post the script online, and/or you brilliant CEC (AIU or CTU) near grads, make a fake name and new email address and sign up for information on one of their websites. Play along with your ?advisor? and see if the exact same thing wasn't said to you as it was the first time you spoke with them. Better yet do that process three or four times and see the uniformity of the process?.a sales process. Don't get sold into thinking your ideal school is a CEC for profit institution. Their not in business for you, the student. Their in business for the stockholder?.dumbasses.
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#152 Consumer Comment

Caveat Emptor

AUTHOR: Anne - (U.S.A.)

I am a current student with an expected graduation date of April 22, 2006. I will be earning (with emphasis on earning) my Bachelors degree in Business Management. I am truly sorry for the issues that both former employees as well as former students have encountered. I somehow doubt that I am in the minority when I say that I've had a truly wonderful experience with AIU. My financial aid was incident free, my advisor has only changed once during the past year, and I've always been able to reach the people I've wanted to during my time with the school. I've also attended 2 other Universities in my attempt to complete my Bachelor's degree (Oregon State and North Central College) -- and I can honestly say that this has been the most challenging school to date. I have been accepted (based upon my graduation) at a bricks and mortar school for my Masters program -- and they are well aware of my schooling at AIU Online, and have fully accepted the credentials of this school (AIU is currently accredited). I think what concerns me most when I read some of these posts is that (it appears) that many potential students may have some fault with regards to financial aid. It is our (the students) responsibility to follow-up with regards to monies obtained, not AIU's. This is no different than a bricks and mortar school. I would make sure that all my correspondence with the school was conducted not only verbally, but with written follow-up to ensure both the school, as well as the student, has a complete understanding of the costs involved, as well as the available financial aid. I would never start a program until I knew my financial aid was secured and ready to go. If a prospective student sends an e-mail stating this in the early stages of "acceptance" they will be more fully covered legally should there be a difference of opinion with regards to start/stop dates.

My advice to ensure a smooth process for financial aid, requests for transfer credits is that any and all communications be done in writing. Due to my diligence with written follow-up I have avoided (to my pleasure) many of the headaches that have been encountered by AIU potential and former students. I truly hope that AIU is able to continue operating as it has been (as with many other online schools) a godsend to those of us that work full-time and wish to complete our education. All schools, whether bricks and mortar or online have their issues. Online schools are a relative new player, and regardless of for profit, or non-profit, the bugs will continue to be worked out.
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#153 Consumer Comment

Caveat Emptor

AUTHOR: Anne - (U.S.A.)

I am a current student with an expected graduation date of April 22, 2006. I will be earning (with emphasis on earning) my Bachelors degree in Business Management. I am truly sorry for the issues that both former employees as well as former students have encountered. I somehow doubt that I am in the minority when I say that I've had a truly wonderful experience with AIU. My financial aid was incident free, my advisor has only changed once during the past year, and I've always been able to reach the people I've wanted to during my time with the school. I've also attended 2 other Universities in my attempt to complete my Bachelor's degree (Oregon State and North Central College) -- and I can honestly say that this has been the most challenging school to date. I have been accepted (based upon my graduation) at a bricks and mortar school for my Masters program -- and they are well aware of my schooling at AIU Online, and have fully accepted the credentials of this school (AIU is currently accredited). I think what concerns me most when I read some of these posts is that (it appears) that many potential students may have some fault with regards to financial aid. It is our (the students) responsibility to follow-up with regards to monies obtained, not AIU's. This is no different than a bricks and mortar school. I would make sure that all my correspondence with the school was conducted not only verbally, but with written follow-up to ensure both the school, as well as the student, has a complete understanding of the costs involved, as well as the available financial aid. I would never start a program until I knew my financial aid was secured and ready to go. If a prospective student sends an e-mail stating this in the early stages of "acceptance" they will be more fully covered legally should there be a difference of opinion with regards to start/stop dates.

My advice to ensure a smooth process for financial aid, requests for transfer credits is that any and all communications be done in writing. Due to my diligence with written follow-up I have avoided (to my pleasure) many of the headaches that have been encountered by AIU potential and former students. I truly hope that AIU is able to continue operating as it has been (as with many other online schools) a godsend to those of us that work full-time and wish to complete our education. All schools, whether bricks and mortar or online have their issues. Online schools are a relative new player, and regardless of for profit, or non-profit, the bugs will continue to be worked out.
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#154 Consumer Comment

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AUTHOR: Anne - (U.S.A.)

I am a current student with an expected graduation date of April 22, 2006. I will be earning (with emphasis on earning) my Bachelors degree in Business Management. I am truly sorry for the issues that both former employees as well as former students have encountered. I somehow doubt that I am in the minority when I say that I've had a truly wonderful experience with AIU. My financial aid was incident free, my advisor has only changed once during the past year, and I've always been able to reach the people I've wanted to during my time with the school. I've also attended 2 other Universities in my attempt to complete my Bachelor's degree (Oregon State and North Central College) -- and I can honestly say that this has been the most challenging school to date. I have been accepted (based upon my graduation) at a bricks and mortar school for my Masters program -- and they are well aware of my schooling at AIU Online, and have fully accepted the credentials of this school (AIU is currently accredited). I think what concerns me most when I read some of these posts is that (it appears) that many potential students may have some fault with regards to financial aid. It is our (the students) responsibility to follow-up with regards to monies obtained, not AIU's. This is no different than a bricks and mortar school. I would make sure that all my correspondence with the school was conducted not only verbally, but with written follow-up to ensure both the school, as well as the student, has a complete understanding of the costs involved, as well as the available financial aid. I would never start a program until I knew my financial aid was secured and ready to go. If a prospective student sends an e-mail stating this in the early stages of "acceptance" they will be more fully covered legally should there be a difference of opinion with regards to start/stop dates.

My advice to ensure a smooth process for financial aid, requests for transfer credits is that any and all communications be done in writing. Due to my diligence with written follow-up I have avoided (to my pleasure) many of the headaches that have been encountered by AIU potential and former students. I truly hope that AIU is able to continue operating as it has been (as with many other online schools) a godsend to those of us that work full-time and wish to complete our education. All schools, whether bricks and mortar or online have their issues. Online schools are a relative new player, and regardless of for profit, or non-profit, the bugs will continue to be worked out.
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#155 UPDATE Employee

Ex- Employee-Student

AUTHOR: Dawn - (U.S.A.)

I just wanted to respond to the bickering that has been going on here.

One I was an employee of AIU online, and also a student of both CTU, and AIU.I quit working for AIU for many reasons.

I would just like to set the record straight. What is being discussed here are two different entities, being an employee for the company and actually being a student.

First of all pointing out typos is just ridiculous, because if you go back and read each rebuttal, everyone who has posted here has made some type of typo. Heck I probably will too, does that mean I am stupid....no...It means I am human.

Now onto the good stuff. As a previous employee, I will say that no AIU does not have the best practices, or even the students future in the best interest. Yeah its true their practices and their goals for enrolling students is HORRIBLE. Not only do admissions have a horrendous pressure on them to get students enrolled, but they are putting a tremendous amount of pressure on Financial Aid to get students "packaged". It does come down to getting students in at a high rate or get fired. Not only for admissions but Financial Aid as well. What's so horrible about the whole thing is that instead of AIU admissions and Financial Aid being a team, they are actually made to dislike each other, because if Financial Aid can't get a student to sign a cash agreement, or get some type of funding, the "AIU Option Loan" which is the prime interest rate plus 10%, which means at the end of the day you are going to pay for 4X's what you borrowed. Then Admissions feels the heat, because if that student is lost, its as if they aren't doing there job, then they get low production and yeah they are booted out the door.

But as far as the school and the curriculum go. I have to say I have attended schools on campus in the city, and the honest truth is that my proffesors at AIU were better than any professor I have ever had at any physical institution, they were more caring and more interested in whether not I succeeded or failed. I am on the Deans List as well as the Chancellors list, which I was also at the brick and mortar campus. I have to agree and say that being an online student is not an easy task. To be honest with you its a lot harder than most think, and if you pay attention to class averages, and the amount of students who actually fail, because they dont put forth effort, you would be amazed.

So in closing you are both right, being an employee for AIU Sucks, and thats why I quit. Yeah I got students packaged, and met my 4 hours of phone time and my 50 outbound, 50 inbound, and 15 tree calls daily, but at the end of the day, did I feel good about what I was doing no. Heck no, because the fact of the matter is that 80% of the students that attend AIU truly can't afford it. To a big degree you do have to be dishonest, because there is so much they tell you, you cant tell the students. But at the end of the day if AIU was a little less concerned with profit, and more concerned with the students, they wouldnt be on probation. AIU is not on probation because the curriculum or the teachers are not qualified, they are on probation, because of their greed.

To all future students the fact of the matter is that no matter where you go to school it is going to cost, and AIU is actually not any more expensive than any private university, its their greed that kills the whole integrity of the university, and its sad.....because they dont have to be.....I mean if a student says they want to cancel, yeah they should immediately be canceled, does it happen that way no...Is AIU a trashy school that is out there just to get your money and give you a degree in exchange, no dont be fooled by disgruntled employees, its not easy.....

BOTTOM LINE....GETTING A DEGREE IS NOT EASY, AND THE PROFESSORS ARE AWESOME, AND HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH AIU'S ENROLLMENT PROCESS.....BUT YEAH CEC IS GREEDY AS HELL AND WILL DO ANYTHING TO GET YOUR MONEY!.....

IF CEC WOULD LOSE THEIR GREED AND RUN FINANCIAL AID AND ADMISSIONS LIKE THE PRIVATE UNIVERSITIES I HAVE ATTENDED THEY WOULDNT HAVE ANY PROBLEMS!
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#156 UPDATE Employee

Ex- Employee-Student

AUTHOR: Dawn - (U.S.A.)

I just wanted to respond to the bickering that has been going on here.

One I was an employee of AIU online, and also a student of both CTU, and AIU.I quit working for AIU for many reasons.

I would just like to set the record straight. What is being discussed here are two different entities, being an employee for the company and actually being a student.

First of all pointing out typos is just ridiculous, because if you go back and read each rebuttal, everyone who has posted here has made some type of typo. Heck I probably will too, does that mean I am stupid....no...It means I am human.

Now onto the good stuff. As a previous employee, I will say that no AIU does not have the best practices, or even the students future in the best interest. Yeah its true their practices and their goals for enrolling students is HORRIBLE. Not only do admissions have a horrendous pressure on them to get students enrolled, but they are putting a tremendous amount of pressure on Financial Aid to get students "packaged". It does come down to getting students in at a high rate or get fired. Not only for admissions but Financial Aid as well. What's so horrible about the whole thing is that instead of AIU admissions and Financial Aid being a team, they are actually made to dislike each other, because if Financial Aid can't get a student to sign a cash agreement, or get some type of funding, the "AIU Option Loan" which is the prime interest rate plus 10%, which means at the end of the day you are going to pay for 4X's what you borrowed. Then Admissions feels the heat, because if that student is lost, its as if they aren't doing there job, then they get low production and yeah they are booted out the door.

But as far as the school and the curriculum go. I have to say I have attended schools on campus in the city, and the honest truth is that my proffesors at AIU were better than any professor I have ever had at any physical institution, they were more caring and more interested in whether not I succeeded or failed. I am on the Deans List as well as the Chancellors list, which I was also at the brick and mortar campus. I have to agree and say that being an online student is not an easy task. To be honest with you its a lot harder than most think, and if you pay attention to class averages, and the amount of students who actually fail, because they dont put forth effort, you would be amazed.

So in closing you are both right, being an employee for AIU Sucks, and thats why I quit. Yeah I got students packaged, and met my 4 hours of phone time and my 50 outbound, 50 inbound, and 15 tree calls daily, but at the end of the day, did I feel good about what I was doing no. Heck no, because the fact of the matter is that 80% of the students that attend AIU truly can't afford it. To a big degree you do have to be dishonest, because there is so much they tell you, you cant tell the students. But at the end of the day if AIU was a little less concerned with profit, and more concerned with the students, they wouldnt be on probation. AIU is not on probation because the curriculum or the teachers are not qualified, they are on probation, because of their greed.

To all future students the fact of the matter is that no matter where you go to school it is going to cost, and AIU is actually not any more expensive than any private university, its their greed that kills the whole integrity of the university, and its sad.....because they dont have to be.....I mean if a student says they want to cancel, yeah they should immediately be canceled, does it happen that way no...Is AIU a trashy school that is out there just to get your money and give you a degree in exchange, no dont be fooled by disgruntled employees, its not easy.....

BOTTOM LINE....GETTING A DEGREE IS NOT EASY, AND THE PROFESSORS ARE AWESOME, AND HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH AIU'S ENROLLMENT PROCESS.....BUT YEAH CEC IS GREEDY AS HELL AND WILL DO ANYTHING TO GET YOUR MONEY!.....

IF CEC WOULD LOSE THEIR GREED AND RUN FINANCIAL AID AND ADMISSIONS LIKE THE PRIVATE UNIVERSITIES I HAVE ATTENDED THEY WOULDNT HAVE ANY PROBLEMS!
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#157 UPDATE Employee

Ex- Employee-Student

AUTHOR: Dawn - (U.S.A.)

I just wanted to respond to the bickering that has been going on here.

One I was an employee of AIU online, and also a student of both CTU, and AIU.I quit working for AIU for many reasons.

I would just like to set the record straight. What is being discussed here are two different entities, being an employee for the company and actually being a student.

First of all pointing out typos is just ridiculous, because if you go back and read each rebuttal, everyone who has posted here has made some type of typo. Heck I probably will too, does that mean I am stupid....no...It means I am human.

Now onto the good stuff. As a previous employee, I will say that no AIU does not have the best practices, or even the students future in the best interest. Yeah its true their practices and their goals for enrolling students is HORRIBLE. Not only do admissions have a horrendous pressure on them to get students enrolled, but they are putting a tremendous amount of pressure on Financial Aid to get students "packaged". It does come down to getting students in at a high rate or get fired. Not only for admissions but Financial Aid as well. What's so horrible about the whole thing is that instead of AIU admissions and Financial Aid being a team, they are actually made to dislike each other, because if Financial Aid can't get a student to sign a cash agreement, or get some type of funding, the "AIU Option Loan" which is the prime interest rate plus 10%, which means at the end of the day you are going to pay for 4X's what you borrowed. Then Admissions feels the heat, because if that student is lost, its as if they aren't doing there job, then they get low production and yeah they are booted out the door.

But as far as the school and the curriculum go. I have to say I have attended schools on campus in the city, and the honest truth is that my proffesors at AIU were better than any professor I have ever had at any physical institution, they were more caring and more interested in whether not I succeeded or failed. I am on the Deans List as well as the Chancellors list, which I was also at the brick and mortar campus. I have to agree and say that being an online student is not an easy task. To be honest with you its a lot harder than most think, and if you pay attention to class averages, and the amount of students who actually fail, because they dont put forth effort, you would be amazed.

So in closing you are both right, being an employee for AIU Sucks, and thats why I quit. Yeah I got students packaged, and met my 4 hours of phone time and my 50 outbound, 50 inbound, and 15 tree calls daily, but at the end of the day, did I feel good about what I was doing no. Heck no, because the fact of the matter is that 80% of the students that attend AIU truly can't afford it. To a big degree you do have to be dishonest, because there is so much they tell you, you cant tell the students. But at the end of the day if AIU was a little less concerned with profit, and more concerned with the students, they wouldnt be on probation. AIU is not on probation because the curriculum or the teachers are not qualified, they are on probation, because of their greed.

To all future students the fact of the matter is that no matter where you go to school it is going to cost, and AIU is actually not any more expensive than any private university, its their greed that kills the whole integrity of the university, and its sad.....because they dont have to be.....I mean if a student says they want to cancel, yeah they should immediately be canceled, does it happen that way no...Is AIU a trashy school that is out there just to get your money and give you a degree in exchange, no dont be fooled by disgruntled employees, its not easy.....

BOTTOM LINE....GETTING A DEGREE IS NOT EASY, AND THE PROFESSORS ARE AWESOME, AND HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH AIU'S ENROLLMENT PROCESS.....BUT YEAH CEC IS GREEDY AS HELL AND WILL DO ANYTHING TO GET YOUR MONEY!.....

IF CEC WOULD LOSE THEIR GREED AND RUN FINANCIAL AID AND ADMISSIONS LIKE THE PRIVATE UNIVERSITIES I HAVE ATTENDED THEY WOULDNT HAVE ANY PROBLEMS!
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#158 UPDATE Employee

Ex- Employee-Student

AUTHOR: Dawn - (U.S.A.)

I just wanted to respond to the bickering that has been going on here.

One I was an employee of AIU online, and also a student of both CTU, and AIU.I quit working for AIU for many reasons.

I would just like to set the record straight. What is being discussed here are two different entities, being an employee for the company and actually being a student.

First of all pointing out typos is just ridiculous, because if you go back and read each rebuttal, everyone who has posted here has made some type of typo. Heck I probably will too, does that mean I am stupid....no...It means I am human.

Now onto the good stuff. As a previous employee, I will say that no AIU does not have the best practices, or even the students future in the best interest. Yeah its true their practices and their goals for enrolling students is HORRIBLE. Not only do admissions have a horrendous pressure on them to get students enrolled, but they are putting a tremendous amount of pressure on Financial Aid to get students "packaged". It does come down to getting students in at a high rate or get fired. Not only for admissions but Financial Aid as well. What's so horrible about the whole thing is that instead of AIU admissions and Financial Aid being a team, they are actually made to dislike each other, because if Financial Aid can't get a student to sign a cash agreement, or get some type of funding, the "AIU Option Loan" which is the prime interest rate plus 10%, which means at the end of the day you are going to pay for 4X's what you borrowed. Then Admissions feels the heat, because if that student is lost, its as if they aren't doing there job, then they get low production and yeah they are booted out the door.

But as far as the school and the curriculum go. I have to say I have attended schools on campus in the city, and the honest truth is that my proffesors at AIU were better than any professor I have ever had at any physical institution, they were more caring and more interested in whether not I succeeded or failed. I am on the Deans List as well as the Chancellors list, which I was also at the brick and mortar campus. I have to agree and say that being an online student is not an easy task. To be honest with you its a lot harder than most think, and if you pay attention to class averages, and the amount of students who actually fail, because they dont put forth effort, you would be amazed.

So in closing you are both right, being an employee for AIU Sucks, and thats why I quit. Yeah I got students packaged, and met my 4 hours of phone time and my 50 outbound, 50 inbound, and 15 tree calls daily, but at the end of the day, did I feel good about what I was doing no. Heck no, because the fact of the matter is that 80% of the students that attend AIU truly can't afford it. To a big degree you do have to be dishonest, because there is so much they tell you, you cant tell the students. But at the end of the day if AIU was a little less concerned with profit, and more concerned with the students, they wouldnt be on probation. AIU is not on probation because the curriculum or the teachers are not qualified, they are on probation, because of their greed.

To all future students the fact of the matter is that no matter where you go to school it is going to cost, and AIU is actually not any more expensive than any private university, its their greed that kills the whole integrity of the university, and its sad.....because they dont have to be.....I mean if a student says they want to cancel, yeah they should immediately be canceled, does it happen that way no...Is AIU a trashy school that is out there just to get your money and give you a degree in exchange, no dont be fooled by disgruntled employees, its not easy.....

BOTTOM LINE....GETTING A DEGREE IS NOT EASY, AND THE PROFESSORS ARE AWESOME, AND HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH AIU'S ENROLLMENT PROCESS.....BUT YEAH CEC IS GREEDY AS HELL AND WILL DO ANYTHING TO GET YOUR MONEY!.....

IF CEC WOULD LOSE THEIR GREED AND RUN FINANCIAL AID AND ADMISSIONS LIKE THE PRIVATE UNIVERSITIES I HAVE ATTENDED THEY WOULDNT HAVE ANY PROBLEMS!
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#159 Consumer Comment

Colorado Technical University not a degree mill

AUTHOR: Darrin - (U.S.A.)

The author of the original complaint is obviously just a disgruntled ex-employee wishing to defame the school. Did you see the blanket-statement: "Anyone who says anything positive about the school is a CTU employee." Gimmee a break! That was just a ploy to discredit responders before they've had a chance to rebutt. This fool obviously never won 'employee of the month' while at CTU.

This ridiculous post is so full of misleading blanket statements and tripe, you wonder how he/she is an EX-employee. (Laughing) Go file for unemployment and quit making statements you can't back up with facts.

I'm nearly finished with my Masters in Information Systems Security at CTU; currently possessing a 4.0 average. I've nothing stellar to say about the financial department, the student advisors or any program OTHER than the program I'm in. As I currently possess 3 other degrees, I CAN say this degree is the most challenging one yet. I've worked my fanny off over the last 10 months.

A degree...ANY degree is what you make of it. I'm in the military and work with a graduate of an Ivy League school who is, without a doubt one of the most blithering of idiots. Might I also say that my online classmates are all grads of universities around the country and when I told them about this thread, they laughed. -They've worked hard too.

"In the year I was employed there, all I've heard was complaints." -Your grammar is deplorable. Hmmmm...Maybe you can get a federal loan, apply to go to CTU and improve it.
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#160 Consumer Comment

I am a graduate of AIU

AUTHOR: Pam - (U.S.A.)

I have read a lot of the complaints about AIU on this website with much interest. I didn't even realize there was any controversy about AIU until I happened to do a search a couple of weeks ago, looking for AIU's website to ask for my transcript. That was when this site came up, and I started looking at more.

From what I have read, I do believe there are a lot of people with legitimate complaints against AIU regarding their recruitment and financial aid practices. Hopefully, all of this will come out in the Dept. of Ed. investigations and will be corrected.

However, there also seem to be a lot of people who dropped out of classes and then, for some reason, expected not to pay, or thought the bill was too high (check out the U.of Phoenix for an eye opener). Or think that admissions reps shouldn't be sales people and have quotas--that one is actually laughable.

I empathize with the people who truly were coerced and ripped off. I really do. And I hope they get at least some of their money back.

But, I resent anyone who says that AIU is a diploma mill. You have no idea how hard I worked for that degree! It is true that in the online program you don't take exams. I was actually concerned about that when I started my masters degree with AIU because I knew that it would be easier to take exams. Yes, I said easier. I would much rather study for a multiple choice exam (usually the only type given in most classes at large universities) than to have to do all the projects and write all the papers I did. But, guess what, I am glad I did it, because what I learned, I learned, and did not forget as I would have if I had just studied for a test.

It took me many years to get my bachelors degree because I ran out of money when I went to college right out of high school, and then, after that, I just took courses here and there, until I finally buckeled down and went back full time. Just some of the colleges I attended: Taylor U., Indiana U., Purdue U., and graduated from Indiana Wesleyan U. I mention this because, although they are good, well respected non-profit colleges, I have experienced some of the same issues with a couple of them as people have mentioned about AIU. (Overcharging, messing up my financial aid, not transferring credits they told me were transferable--after I had started classes.) They were all non-profit colleges. And I worked every bit as hard for my grades at AIU as I did at any of them (actually harder).

I guess it would be hard to prove that I really am a graduate of AIU's Educational Technology degree, with a Master of Education, and not an employee of AIU. I really don't know how to prove that without giving out my name and address, and sending you some of the papers I wrote--I have them all saved on my computer. But I doubt that this site would allow me to publish that information, even if I were willing.

All I can say is that I do work for a two year college. One that has no relationship to AIU or CEC. After getting my masters degree from AIU, I used what I learned from AIU to develop a new, innovative community training program. As a result, I have been promoted and am overseeing the project state-wide (we have multiple campuses), as well as developing new programs.

I am concerned about AIU's accreditation being in jeopardy, because I am considering applying for a doctorate program at Indiana U. But, whatever happens, no one can take away from me what I learned. It was a quality program, well put together.

One last comment to the ex-employee who said they only heard complaints from students. What do you expect? Out of, what is it? 100,000 online students, you expect no complaints? And, of course, those are the ones you heard from. You never heard from me, and thousands like me, because I had no complaints.
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#161 Consumer Comment

Online Value

AUTHOR: Bryan - (U.S.A.)

First...
One of the first comments someone has made is that CEC only wants your money.

TRUE. CEC is a FOR-PROFIT company. It's called capitalism. Look it up.

Second...
The original complainant obviously needs some education as they have poor grammar.

Third...
I am happy with CTU (Master's program). The school _has_ made a number of changes to make it "tougher". It sounds like the complainant's issue is a case of sour grapes with an employer.

For example, CEC owns the Scottsdale Culinary Arts School, which is WORLD famous. So to say CEC is a big rip-off has to be BS.

And lastly...
CTU does "challenge" exams (online, I'll admit I never attended an actual CTU university). The exams are timed and tough; they are not "easy A's". NONE of the classes I've attended has the class average grade been 100%. It's usually around 70-95%. This fact tells me it is NOT a degree mill. Btw, Colorado Technical University is listed on the BEA website of accredited colleges, which 99% of High Tech employers use to validate degrees. Oxford isn't even on it!
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#162 UPDATE EX-employee responds

Hope your success continues

AUTHOR: Dirc - (U.S.A.)

This is why I originally made the comment regarding the universities controlled by CEC. There is no way this guy is actually a student that graduated from AIU, he's probably an employee hired with her only responsibility being to write silly rebuttals on actual students valid complaints. There's no way Harvard would look at a jamoke who got an online degree. If you are doing your research on online schools take a close look at the graduation rates of these universities. Their horribleAlso take a look at the revenue CEC earned last year (it was over a billion dollars). A BILLION DOLLARS! Also look on CBS.com or the Chicago Tribune's archives and you will find articles telling stories of unethical student recruiting practices on the televsion show "60 Minutes", and validated reports on the congressional sessions to discuss the validity of their programs. If you really were a student, which is a big if, you are probably just stubborn in the fact that you got tricked into a merry-go-round of lies, and won't admit you made a mistake.

Let me tell you.(I'm saying this to help other people) you were asked the exact same question as every other student, you were made to feel honored when you got accepted, as every other poor soul. You were viewed internal to the university as a number, a part of quota (and nobody tells you before you get hired your on a monthly budget.) When advisors are hired they are painted this colorful picture of helping people change their lives, and get an education. In practice, it's enroll student at the rate of 12 a month or your fired. They want you to say penetrating things to current student who are looking to withdrawal, because managers are paid IN STOCK COMMISION to the rate at which students that enroll start, as well as just the plain number of students that enroll. Things like, your gonna be a drop out the rest of your life, and how are you going to support your kids, and do you really want to live your life stupid. These are emotional sales tactics used to manipulate people. Yes, you AIU gradwe know no hard sell will work for you.but many people get pressured into thinking they can do the program when in actuality they can't, whether because they can't afford the last 2 years (which the financial aid advisor won't tell you) or they don't have the time they need.

These universities want the students to feel like if they quite they are letting their advisor down. The entire sales process is bonding with candidates so if they try to quit, you can pull from this list of personal facts (kids names, what sports your kids are in, what kind of dog you haveext).

If every idiot believed and used get over it as their motto, this type of thing would continue. Thank god someone did hear these many, many,many complaints about CEC's practices because many of their universities are on probation. AIU included. I wonder what the degree will be worth when they pull the accreditation and the stock folds and it's all over the news. Every employer will know about how easy of a degree it is to achieve.

By the way, you said you made a career change, and then you also said you were at the same company 10 years? Maybe you got a chance to move into the technology department because you are a hard worker who has been their for ten years (maybe your a turd who's lying to everyone). Do you think you would have had a chance at securing that type of position at another company, and at the same pay? Put your resume out on monster and see if anyone responds. If they do, don't hesitate to let them know you got a computer programming degree over the internet, and see if their still interested. Let's face ityour at an entry level tech job, why should that impress me. Or, more importantly, why should it impress anyone considering going to these universities.

After all, the only reason I'm writing this is not to talk smack with some fool who thinks he's on top of the world, but to help others thinking for profit education may be right for them. There are some online programs at non-for profit state schools, like the University of Maryland. These are legitimate programs with the student in mind, not stock holders. When stock holders have vested interests in corporations (CEC own AIU, CTU and others), top decision makers make decision with $$$ in mind, not the benefit of students. Dude, I'm happy that crap worked out for you, I hope for your sake the company doesn't fold, and you keep advancing in your career. I took the job in the first place because I liked the idea of helping non-traditional students like you better their lives. I stopped working their because I felt that the university wasn't giving the students the education I was saying they were going to recieve.
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#163 Consumer Comment

Sorry for your accident

AUTHOR: Martin - (U.S.A.)

Sorry for your accident I spoke out of turn.But I get mad when big companies take advantage of people.About 6 years ago I purchased a vending business from a company that was listed with the BBB.And though they didn't acquire a license from our state it took 3 years to get 1/4 of the money back.And I wrote letters,was in constant contact with the attorney generals office and as anyone knows money can and does buy a multitude of sin.So they skated away with close to $15,000.00 of my hard earned money.So all the letter writing and calling your goverment doesn't really do much if they're in the pocket of big business.And I didn't have to call anyone names to get my point across.And hopefully anyone who happens across AIU's web site will get redirected to this forum to see the propaganda that AIU puts out.
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#164 Consumer Comment

Not discounting the wrong

AUTHOR: Gmatgyrl - (U.S.A.)

Forgive me if I have come off as being a little harsh, but that was not my intention initially. I do not by any means think that people who were wronged by CEC and their schools should GET OVER IT if they were indeed mistreated or misguided. I do not believe that AIU or CTU are the greatest schools or the most ethical schools on earth. But the bottom line for people who work there is that they are in deed working for a "for profit" school. Not to say that the school should not be held fully responsible for providing a valuable education.

In my case, I feel I received a valuable education. I was not scammed, cheated, robbed, or misled. I am currently in a top tier Master's program with an excellent school, that mind you have no problems with my degree from AIU. People just need to open their eyes and not believe everything they hear. And you cannot allow someone to take your hopes and dreams of a valuable education and screw around with them. Make your own decisions, it's your money, it's your time, it's your effort, and your future.

Jenny, in your case you were definitely wronged and there should be something that you can do about that. They should not be allowed to treat people the way they treated you. And unfortunately for you, you are probably only one of many that were screwed. I've had talks with LOTS of other students from both AIU and CTU (currently attending Harvard's extension program and working on a "value of distance learning" project for one of my courses, have spoken with 350+ students thus far). LOTS of people have been screwed by representatives of the schools and a few other schools as well.

ONE THING I AM FINDING HARD TO GRASP IS THIS: If the employees feel like they were doing something UNETHICAL and MISREPRESENTING facts to potential students, why is it that they are speaking about it in this forum and not doing it somewhere where legislators or high-level educators would get hold to this info. and MAYBE DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT. IT DOES NOT ADD ANY VALUE TO FUTURE OR PAST STUDENTS TO DISCUSS THE PROBLEMS THEY EXPERIENCED IN THIS SETTING. Write letters, make phone calls to people who can do something. If I had a bad experience, I promise you I would be writing/typing until my fingers went numb. I cannot complain about the school as I have not experienced the "bad side" of things. But I will definitely make sure any information I receive from the students I interview make it to the desk of SOMEONE WHO CAN DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT...

Martin as for you, you can think whatever you want. I know what I'm talking about when it comes to my situation. And no that's not all that I care about, but I will not allow anyone to belittle my education because other people had problems with the school. I am a straight A student and always have been, in high school, at AIU and now at Harvard. I bust my hump for everything I get. So yeah, I get a tad pissed when someone tries to make it seem like all my hard work would be under valued because part of the education came from AIU.

As for the name calling, you'll get over it and so will the ex employee. And FYI...I don't drive and talk on my cell phone. But I did flip about 5 times in my vehicle and almost died a few years ago because some other idiot out there didn't mind driving and talking on his.

And hopefully when I'm done with my project, I'll be enlightened a little more about the good and bad of for-profit schools. And I have every intention of publishing my true findings on ALL FOR-PROFIT schools, both good and bad.
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#165 Consumer Comment

agree with the ex employee

AUTHOR: Jenny - (U.S.A.)

I solemly agree with the person who started this comment on how AIU is a ripoff. Yes it is, very much so. I was a student at AIU and had 4 classes to go until graduation but they conveniently administrative withdrew me. Why you ask? Because I could not come up with 2500.00 in 1 week. Why did I owe that to them? Because some dim with of a Financial Advisor quoted me the wrong price for my program I was attending. Come to find out the program was more than waht the student loan would even cover. So for you people that think this school shines I have got news for you. And you know what? It's not good news.
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#166 Consumer Comment

Get over it.

AUTHOR: Martin - (U.S.A.)

Admission advisers by law aren't allowed to get compensation for enrollments.That's so they don't exaggerate or lie to get the enrollment.This is education,something people have to pay on for a long time.They're supposed to be honest and they just take you money.You sound like someone who doesn't care about anyone but yourself.So what if these other people were lied to I've got my degree.Maybe they quit because they wouldn't steal peoples dreams of a better life.And the students who dropped the school probably saw that they were lied to for them to enroll.You have no idea what you're talking about.So what should these people do.Just get over losing their money to this scam of a school.And if you can't have a better way to proof your point than to call people names you shouldn't write a rebuttal.So go back to talking on your cell while your driving and leaving destruction in your wake.You don't care as long as you aren't affected,Right.
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#167 Consumer Comment

Get over it.

AUTHOR: Martin - (U.S.A.)

Admission advisers by law aren't allowed to get compensation for enrollments.That's so they don't exaggerate or lie to get the enrollment.This is education,something people have to pay on for a long time.They're supposed to be honest and they just take you money.You sound like someone who doesn't care about anyone but yourself.So what if these other people were lied to I've got my degree.Maybe they quit because they wouldn't steal peoples dreams of a better life.And the students who dropped the school probably saw that they were lied to for them to enroll.You have no idea what you're talking about.So what should these people do.Just get over losing their money to this scam of a school.And if you can't have a better way to proof your point than to call people names you shouldn't write a rebuttal.So go back to talking on your cell while your driving and leaving destruction in your wake.You don't care as long as you aren't affected,Right.
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#168 Consumer Comment

Get over it.

AUTHOR: Martin - (U.S.A.)

Admission advisers by law aren't allowed to get compensation for enrollments.That's so they don't exaggerate or lie to get the enrollment.This is education,something people have to pay on for a long time.They're supposed to be honest and they just take you money.You sound like someone who doesn't care about anyone but yourself.So what if these other people were lied to I've got my degree.Maybe they quit because they wouldn't steal peoples dreams of a better life.And the students who dropped the school probably saw that they were lied to for them to enroll.You have no idea what you're talking about.So what should these people do.Just get over losing their money to this scam of a school.And if you can't have a better way to proof your point than to call people names you shouldn't write a rebuttal.So go back to talking on your cell while your driving and leaving destruction in your wake.You don't care as long as you aren't affected,Right.
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#169 Consumer Comment

Get over it.

AUTHOR: Martin - (U.S.A.)

Admission advisers by law aren't allowed to get compensation for enrollments.That's so they don't exaggerate or lie to get the enrollment.This is education,something people have to pay on for a long time.They're supposed to be honest and they just take you money.You sound like someone who doesn't care about anyone but yourself.So what if these other people were lied to I've got my degree.Maybe they quit because they wouldn't steal peoples dreams of a better life.And the students who dropped the school probably saw that they were lied to for them to enroll.You have no idea what you're talking about.So what should these people do.Just get over losing their money to this scam of a school.And if you can't have a better way to proof your point than to call people names you shouldn't write a rebuttal.So go back to talking on your cell while your driving and leaving destruction in your wake.You don't care as long as you aren't affected,Right.
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#170 Consumer Comment

Let's be real homey

AUTHOR: Gmatgyrl - (U.S.A.)

"i am a graduated of AIU Online with honors" that includes a TYPO, not blatant illiteracy. And FYI...AIU didn't teach the English, that was learned long ago. And I'm sure you know from experience, that when typing, there is the slightest possibility that there may be a typo or two, idiot. GET OVER IT...

Yeah yeah, well we are so sorry to hear about your horrible experiences and those other truly disappointed students or employees; I am not one of them. My education did for me what I expected, it doubled my income. "Only making $61,000" are you really that stupid? Someone can double their income three months after completing their degree, don't be mad be glad honey. I have only been in the software engineering work force for six months (apparently you missed the part about a CAREER CHANGE). And FYI...any assignments I am required to work on, I have completed without a problem, and when or if there comes a time where I need assistance from someone who does have 15 years experience, I know for a fact that my co-workers will be there for me. I'm not expected to be an expert you dweeb, I have a bachelor's degree with no practical experience; I don't have a Master's or PhD, duh. At any rate, I doubled my income without needing 15 years programming experience, I WOULD LOVE TO SEE YOU DO IT. Coffee maker, two bit assignment...YOU'RE TALKING A LOT OF SMACK FOR SOMEONE WHO HAS NOT COMPLETED THE DEGREE REQUIREMENTS...DO IT YOURSELF AND THEN RUN YOUR TRAP. GET OVER IT...

And who gives a rip that people at AIU or CTU make a commission? Who in the hell works without some type of incentive in mind? I know I have been working for the past 10 years at the same corporation, and every year I work harder and better, first because I love my job and the company for which I work. But in the end, I am really enjoying the absolutely fabulous, fat bonus checks I get every year. So if that is how they earn their money, so be it. GET OVER IT...

Again, no student or employee is forced to go to school there or work there. So those who are upset because they weren't smart enough to withdraw or resign/quit, it's their freaking problem. I'm sure the employees knew they had a quota to meet before they took the job. If you can't meet the quota, GOODBYE. That's to be expected with any sales or marking position. GET OVER IT...If you feel like the school is too expensive, go to another school...All it takes is a little common sense.

Oh yeah, did I forget something...GET OVER IT...GET OVER IT...GET OVER IT...GET OVER IT...
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AUTHOR: Dirc - (U.S.A.)

for a person quick to address spelling mistakes..."they very well could be fakes, but I am a graduated of AIU Online with honors I may add."... doesn't make much sense. This is the kind of education AIU, CTU and like universities provide. "i am a graduated of AIU online..." is a horrible use of the english language and would only be acceptable in a type of environment where the professors are actually also admission advisors for the school. yes it is true...i know of one particular circumstance where
this is true.

Secondly, although you may have had a postive experience at AIU, many more have not, and i am trying to demonstrate that behind the scenes it is a fraud. "Directors of Admissions" aka...the bosses, get paid on a comission incentive through stock options the more students their teams enroll. This will ultimately lead to admissions advisors doing anything it takes to enroll a student. In my time their i have heard of advisors telling students they get a free toaster when they get excepted. Did you get a free coffe maker when you passed a two bit class assignment?...I also so of plenty of instances where people get fired because they are not hitting their enrollment budget. meaning they are not Coercing enough students into school. If you don't believe me, call your admissions advisor who first signed you up and ask them these questions.

I'm truly happy you improved your life with their degree, but let's face it...your only making $61,000 dollars. how long have you been in the work force? i just hope over the next few months they don't ask you to perform some task you thought you had enough training in, but come to find out they taught you the wrong crappola(i had a student call me furious, because the teacher was teaching incorrect information. This teacher was later relieved of his duties...Just don't let anyone you know or love waste their time with for profit schools. They have other goals on their mind, the dollar bills homey!
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FYI...rubtle is spelled REBUTTAL

AUTHOR: Gmatgyrl - (U.S.A.)

My comment and simple and this...not sure about the other students that are posting here, they very well could be fakes, but I am a graduated of AIU Online with honors I may add.

Everyone who has a complaint about the school should find another school to either work at or attend. Nobody is forcing you to work at AIU or to attend any courses there. I wouldn't give a rip what anybody on a freaking phone had to say to me...IF I DON'T WANT TO GO TO THE SCHOOL, NO HARD SELL IS GOING TO CHANGE MY MIND. I know how to hang up my phone.

I worked my a*s for my grades. No they do not require exams, but I'll tell you something I have a two-year degree from another regionally accredited university that I attended on campus and they did have exams. And the funny thing is, who the hell really remembers half of the crap they see in an exam. The fact of the matter is the majority of people could not tell you have of the crap they TESTED on in high school, let alone what they TESTED on in college. The only way anyone TRULY RETAINS ANY INFORMATION AND KNOWLEDGE is to UTILIZE WHAT THEY HAVE LEARNED.

This quote is absolutely true when thinking in terms of knowledge, studying, experience, whatever: USE IT OR LOSE IT...It does not matter what you learn, when you learn it, or where you learn it. If you do not use the information or knowledge, YOU WILL FORGET.

So with all of that being said, speaking from personal experience, AIU offers a valuable education and the professors I have had, were excellent.

Is my degree worth the paper it's printed on? d**n RIGHT IT IS...Before my degree I was making $32,000, 7 months after completing my degree and making a career change due to my degree, I am making $61,000 in software engineering. So you can say and think what you want. But my belief is, no matter where you get your degree, you get out of it what you put into it.
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FYI...rubtle is spelled REBUTTAL

AUTHOR: Gmatgyrl - (U.S.A.)

My comment and simple and this...not sure about the other students that are posting here, they very well could be fakes, but I am a graduated of AIU Online with honors I may add.

Everyone who has a complaint about the school should find another school to either work at or attend. Nobody is forcing you to work at AIU or to attend any courses there. I wouldn't give a rip what anybody on a freaking phone had to say to me...IF I DON'T WANT TO GO TO THE SCHOOL, NO HARD SELL IS GOING TO CHANGE MY MIND. I know how to hang up my phone.

I worked my a*s for my grades. No they do not require exams, but I'll tell you something I have a two-year degree from another regionally accredited university that I attended on campus and they did have exams. And the funny thing is, who the hell really remembers half of the crap they see in an exam. The fact of the matter is the majority of people could not tell you have of the crap they TESTED on in high school, let alone what they TESTED on in college. The only way anyone TRULY RETAINS ANY INFORMATION AND KNOWLEDGE is to UTILIZE WHAT THEY HAVE LEARNED.

This quote is absolutely true when thinking in terms of knowledge, studying, experience, whatever: USE IT OR LOSE IT...It does not matter what you learn, when you learn it, or where you learn it. If you do not use the information or knowledge, YOU WILL FORGET.

So with all of that being said, speaking from personal experience, AIU offers a valuable education and the professors I have had, were excellent.

Is my degree worth the paper it's printed on? d**n RIGHT IT IS...Before my degree I was making $32,000, 7 months after completing my degree and making a career change due to my degree, I am making $61,000 in software engineering. So you can say and think what you want. But my belief is, no matter where you get your degree, you get out of it what you put into it.
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