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Complaint Review: ATA/Karate America/ASF International

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  • Submitted: Wed, September 17, 2008
  • Updated: Fri, December 04, 2009

  • Reported By:Wellington Florida
ATA/Karate America/ASF International
1400 Millcoe Road Jacksonville, Florida U.S.A.

ATA/Karate America/ASF International ATA/Karate America/ASF International decieve clients and are unwilling to terminate membership Jacksonville Florida

*Consumer Comment: I FEEL THE SAME WAY - RIPPED OFF!

*General Comment: I AGREE WITH ELISABETH!!

*Consumer Suggestion: Contact a consumer protection attorney

*UPDATE Employee: Membership Agreement

*UPDATE Employee: Contractual Obligation

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ATA (WPB), Karate America (Jacksonville), ASF International, decieve clients by the time of signing up a membership. They first sell parents a Basic Training Program and tell them they can cancel their membership if their son doens't want to continue karate lessons in the future. Later they push your kid to the Leadership Program telling you the same thing. You can cancel if you wish so.

Byt he time your son wants to leave karate because he is not interested anymore, they are unwilling to cancel your membeship and continue charging month by month. You try by all means to negotiate the membership cancelation and all you get is cold shoulders and threats of putting you in a collect agency and taking legal actions against your family.

I understand that you pay for the service you get, right? I paid for all the classes my son took, plus five more months without getting any class because we left the school. What is the problem on canceling a membership? I tell you why they are unwilling to do so and continue to ilude and deceive parents after parents: they are a very dishonest business and parents from all over the United States should check their credentials and rip off reports on the Internet before signing their son in one of these schools.

There are good Karate schools out there that don't require a contract for years to come neither complicate any parents life by the time of discontinuing membership. Please,avoid getting caught in their lies. They will turn your life into hell.

Elisabeth
Wellington, Florida
U.S.A.

This report was posted on Ripoff Report on 09/17/2008 09:43 AM and is a permanent record located here: http://www.ripoffreport.com/r/ATAKarate-AmericaASF-International/Jacksonville-Florida-32225/ATAKarate-AmericaASF-International-ATAKarate-AmericaASF-International-decieve-clients-373758. The posting time indicated is Arizona local time. Arizona does not observe daylight savings so the post time may be Mountain or Pacific depending on the time of year.

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#1 Consumer Comment

I FEEL THE SAME WAY - RIPPED OFF!

AUTHOR: Bill - (U.S.A.)


1)     They do not have a retail installment seller license. They are not technically allowed to engage in these transactions if they do not have a license under Fl. Stat. 520.32.



2)     They are engaged in an unfair and deceptive trade practice under 16CFR 433.2 by failing to have the required Holder in Due Course disclosure in their contract.



3)     They are violating the Retail Installment Sales Act (Fl. Stat. 520.34) by failing to have the name of the seller on their contract.



In layman's terms:  Karate America is a SCAM!  Wallet ninjas.



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#2 General Comment

I AGREE WITH ELISABETH!!

AUTHOR: Tiffany - (United States of America)

You should not require contracts for Karate for kids is her point. Of course the employees are going to say such things.  Even if it is in FULL RED PRINT like you stated.  The consumer relies on you to fully explain the cost, I agree with Elisabeth! You pray on parents with younger childern who want to see their childern do the best they can! Of course, they sign a contract cause they trust what you say and you do not fully disclose the amount you end up paying or what is in the contract. Childerns Karate classes should NOT require a contract and Elisabeth is making sure other parents do not make the same mistake we did. I will advocate and have discouraged parents in the JACKSONVILLE area not to ever sign up with ATA and go to a karate place who does not require such a lengthy commitment from a child or parent to sign.  If it was classes for me then that would be a different story, we are talking about childern under the age of 18!

A parent only wants the best for their child and your company takes advantage of that!!.. I still am paying my obligation for your contract unwillingly and have not defaulted on my contract but your companies reputation in Jacksonville is getting worse with you not willing to work with parents and cancelling contracts at a negotiable rate for a child under the age of 18 it will only get worse.

I personally have told my story to other parents and have had at least 3 to 4 parents thank me for letting them know as they were thinking of signing up. Again, I am still paying my obligation to your company and have contacted you 3 times, 2 by letter and once to the "new instructors" ( think there have been 3 in the past 3 years at the PV location)  but I will never recommend you to anyone in Jacksonville and will make sure to keep posting on the internet and facebook my story to warn other parents not to go ATA. You should treat consumers better!

I have had 2 bad experiences with your instructors in the PV location that have warranted for us not to return since last year. I am sure there are good instructors out there but I like Elisabeth would discourage others not to go and sign a contract with your company.

Also, when you mention Cell companies or gym companies (btw gyms do not require contracts anymore) they have cancellations fees that only range 200 to 400 rather then paying over 3,000 to cancel a contract like your company requires instead of a standard cancel fee, at least have a negotiable cancel fee!!....

Your company should get rid of contracts..

 

 

 

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#3 Consumer Suggestion

Contact a consumer protection attorney

AUTHOR: J. - (USA)

You should contact a consumer protection attorney and possibly file a complaint with the Florida Attorney General.
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#4 UPDATE Employee

Membership Agreement

AUTHOR: Chris - (U.S.A.)

I am not sure why Ms. Elisabeth is stating that we deceive our clients regarding the contractual agreements which they sign. The membership in question states in bold red letters across the top "Retail Installment Contract". All that our company is asking is that the membership agreement (contract) ,which Ms. Elisabeth signed, is adhered to by herself. In addition, the membership agreements are in place to serve as an added motivator for parents and students to continue training. In this day and age it is much easier to adapt a quitter attitude when you just don't feel like continuing something, than it is to follow thru with what you agreed to.
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#5 UPDATE Employee

Contractual Obligation

AUTHOR: Chris - (U.S.A.)

If Elisabeth did not want to pay for a certain amount of time, she should not have ever signed the "contract". A contract is a promise and committment for the full term it is written for. They are not based on attendance. The facility is there to use and Elisabeth's son has not been denied access. They have made the choice not to go anymore. That does not relieve you of your financial obligation. I guess I would liken that to not using your cell phone and not paying for that as well. It is not based on use, it is based on the agreement you signed with that company.

Chris Peterson
Customer Relations Manager
ASF International
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