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  • Submitted: Sat, November 06, 2004
  • Updated: Tue, February 09, 2010

  • Reported By:austin Texas
ATL International
8334 Veterans Highway Millersville, Maryland U.S.A.

ATL International - All Tune And Lube ripoff fraud deceit liers go to hellers Millersville Maryland

*REBUTTAL Owner of company: ATL International NO SUPPORT!

*UPDATE EX-employee responds: Better Business Bureau for our class action suit

*UPDATE EX-employee responds: Better Business Bureau for our class action suit

*UPDATE EX-employee responds: Better Business Bureau for our class action suit

*Consumer Comment: Response to ATL International claim

*Consumer Comment: Move on maybe its time to move on with your life?

*Author of original report: ATL International/All Tune and Lube settlement

*UPDATE Employee: Disregard statement about GE Capital

*UPDATE Employee: Liars and cheats This franchise is absolutely disgusting

*UPDATE Employee: Liars and cheats This franchise is absolutely disgusting

*UPDATE Employee: Liars and cheats This franchise is absolutely disgusting

*UPDATE Employee: Liars and cheats This franchise is absolutely disgusting

*Author of original report: They have shown no effort to negotiate and I feel it will be a waist of time

*Consumer Comment: All Tune And Lube RIP-OFF!!! We were misled between the All Tune and Lube company as well as the owner

*REBUTTAL Owner of company: Join your Law suit

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I bought a franchise in 2001. I was open for only 8 months. I gave them my 38,000 deposit, secured my lease and then couldnt get financing. My only hope was to do a home equity loan. I questioned every thing and the way they did it. I was told by John Kelly ( degree in financing he told me) that they had been doing this for 15 years and had the contacts. But I got turned down for not having automotive experience and so will you.

They allowed a friend of mine to put all his franchise fee on his credit cards. Thats just wrong. Their approval process is nonexistant. They approve all and will take your money any way they can get it. The odds are stacked against you if you buy into this. Call the Attorney General Maryland and you can find out their reputation in their own state. They count on you filling for bankrupsey because once you do you dont have much of a law suit. So, I didnt file, and I am suing. We have been going through this process for a year now. There experts on how to drag it out. If you would like to join my law suit I have an attorney in Maryland that can work with you.

Write me and tell me your story (not too long please). If you where only open a short while (and I can bet you where), if you didnt file bankrusey, and if you sold out but didnt sign anything to prevent you from suing and if its been in the last two years, then we need to talk.

Karen
austin, Texas
U.S.A.

This report was posted on Ripoff Report on 11/06/2004 11:06 PM and is a permanent record located here: http://www.ripoffreport.com/r/ATL-International/Millersville-Maryland-21108/ATL-International-All-Tune-And-Lube-ripoff-fraud-deceit-liers-go-to-hellers-Millersville-116531. The posting time indicated is Arizona local time. Arizona does not observe daylight savings so the post time may be Mountain or Pacific depending on the time of year.

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#1 REBUTTAL Owner of company

ATL International NO SUPPORT!

AUTHOR: Karen - (United States of America)

We have been running for 5 years and we are about to die, because we keep having to put money into it from our credit cards. The debt is growing, but we will |NEVER claim bankrupsey. We would like the attonery info to contact them. they need to be stopped before more people get dupped. please help us.


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#2 UPDATE EX-employee responds

Better Business Bureau for our class action suit

AUTHOR: Anonymous - (U.S.A.)

I have posted my complaint to the Better Business Bureau. We might not be able to get our money back but the BBB has a place that we can post our complaint and warn others. Let's at least do that. I told them that I was going to be a thorn in their side and I never break a promise. I want to join class action suit but no one can contact each other on this site. It is for our protection but it is also a hinderance
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#3 UPDATE EX-employee responds

Better Business Bureau for our class action suit

AUTHOR: Anonymous - (U.S.A.)

I have posted my complaint to the Better Business Bureau. We might not be able to get our money back but the BBB has a place that we can post our complaint and warn others. Let's at least do that. I told them that I was going to be a thorn in their side and I never break a promise. I want to join class action suit but no one can contact each other on this site. It is for our protection but it is also a hinderance
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#4 UPDATE EX-employee responds

Better Business Bureau for our class action suit

AUTHOR: Anonymous - (U.S.A.)

I have posted my complaint to the Better Business Bureau. We might not be able to get our money back but the BBB has a place that we can post our complaint and warn others. Let's at least do that. I told them that I was going to be a thorn in their side and I never break a promise. I want to join class action suit but no one can contact each other on this site. It is for our protection but it is also a hinderance
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#5 Consumer Comment

Response to ATL International claim

AUTHOR: Gregory - (U.S.A.)

I am a fellow perspective ATL Franchisee and would welcome contact based on the information in this claim. If you are suing and are looking for additional plaintiffs, I would be more than welcome to add my name to the list. As I sent a deposit but never fully qualified for the Franchise, I am looking for return of my deposit. This is within their guidelines for people who do not qualify, but they have been giving me the runaround on returning my deposit. In addition, I had first right of refusal for San Diego, California and their preposal includes leases for 5000.00 or less. As for the San Diego locations, I have been unable to find locations worthy of traffic and none have been within this budget. I even looked at locations that were too high priced and too misplaced for traffic. They have susequently opened locations in several of these areas. Does this not leave the guidelines for ATL at a loss. I can not even open down the street if there is a better location at this point.

Please contact me.
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#6 Consumer Comment

Move on maybe its time to move on with your life?

AUTHOR: Drive - (U.S.A.)

I find that most people who fail at this business are under funded and not prepared for the long haul. They often give up and blame everyone and everything else. I feel for you but maybe its time to move on with your life?
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#7 Author of original report

ATL International/All Tune and Lube settlement

AUTHOR: Karen - (U.S.A.)

This posting is to retract all previous postings and messages I have made or sent regarding ATL International,Inc./All Tune and Lube of Millersville, Maryland. This matter has been settled on a basis satisfactory to all parties.

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#8 UPDATE Employee

Disregard statement about GE Capital

AUTHOR: Brady - (U.S.A.)

After leaving this message ATL set up a conference call with GE Capital. Beth with GE has confirmed that in no way does ATL receive any money of any kind at all from GE Capital. GE Fleet charges 13% for us to have the opportunity to do business with them.
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#9 UPDATE Employee

Liars and cheats This franchise is absolutely disgusting

AUTHOR: Brady - (U.S.A.)

I have owned an ATL franchise for 2 1/2 yrs. This franchise is absolutely disgusting. 3 months after opening I pulled my advertising from them and I do it myself. My brother bought a franchise in MI. after trying to talk him out of it. I told him to only buy the All Tune & Lube and not the All Tune Transmissions or ATL Motor Mate.

All they do is collect a franchise fee for you to use the name. You do not need to. My brother went to the school after almost a year. They kept trying to get him to buy the other two after he wouldn't buy them, they gave them to him and said that if he did good that he could make payments on them without any written agreement. They give the people those franchises for free and charge eveybody else who allows themselves to be sold on it.

ATL has a GE Fleet program. I would not participate if I were you. They say that GE charges a 13% fee to handle their fleet cars and it has to be billed through ATL directly. This reason is that GE does not charge this fee I have been paid directly by GE a few times and every time it was 100% of the ticket. I spoke with GE after Dan Sparby, Vice President insisted that GE charges this fee and that ATL only collects this to assist the franchisees and they stated that they pay what ever the approved amount is that is faxed in by the franchisee. The truth is that ATL is collecting 20% of all of your GE Fleet business on a franchise agreement that states you pay 7%. They try not to pay you at all for them. I have forwarded this to my attorney and now I am going to contact MD atty. Gen. and the FTC.
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#10 UPDATE Employee

Liars and cheats This franchise is absolutely disgusting

AUTHOR: Brady - (U.S.A.)

I have owned an ATL franchise for 2 1/2 yrs. This franchise is absolutely disgusting. 3 months after opening I pulled my advertising from them and I do it myself. My brother bought a franchise in MI. after trying to talk him out of it. I told him to only buy the All Tune & Lube and not the All Tune Transmissions or ATL Motor Mate.

All they do is collect a franchise fee for you to use the name. You do not need to. My brother went to the school after almost a year. They kept trying to get him to buy the other two after he wouldn't buy them, they gave them to him and said that if he did good that he could make payments on them without any written agreement. They give the people those franchises for free and charge eveybody else who allows themselves to be sold on it.

ATL has a GE Fleet program. I would not participate if I were you. They say that GE charges a 13% fee to handle their fleet cars and it has to be billed through ATL directly. This reason is that GE does not charge this fee I have been paid directly by GE a few times and every time it was 100% of the ticket. I spoke with GE after Dan Sparby, Vice President insisted that GE charges this fee and that ATL only collects this to assist the franchisees and they stated that they pay what ever the approved amount is that is faxed in by the franchisee. The truth is that ATL is collecting 20% of all of your GE Fleet business on a franchise agreement that states you pay 7%. They try not to pay you at all for them. I have forwarded this to my attorney and now I am going to contact MD atty. Gen. and the FTC.
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#11 UPDATE Employee

Liars and cheats This franchise is absolutely disgusting

AUTHOR: Brady - (U.S.A.)

I have owned an ATL franchise for 2 1/2 yrs. This franchise is absolutely disgusting. 3 months after opening I pulled my advertising from them and I do it myself. My brother bought a franchise in MI. after trying to talk him out of it. I told him to only buy the All Tune & Lube and not the All Tune Transmissions or ATL Motor Mate.

All they do is collect a franchise fee for you to use the name. You do not need to. My brother went to the school after almost a year. They kept trying to get him to buy the other two after he wouldn't buy them, they gave them to him and said that if he did good that he could make payments on them without any written agreement. They give the people those franchises for free and charge eveybody else who allows themselves to be sold on it.

ATL has a GE Fleet program. I would not participate if I were you. They say that GE charges a 13% fee to handle their fleet cars and it has to be billed through ATL directly. This reason is that GE does not charge this fee I have been paid directly by GE a few times and every time it was 100% of the ticket. I spoke with GE after Dan Sparby, Vice President insisted that GE charges this fee and that ATL only collects this to assist the franchisees and they stated that they pay what ever the approved amount is that is faxed in by the franchisee. The truth is that ATL is collecting 20% of all of your GE Fleet business on a franchise agreement that states you pay 7%. They try not to pay you at all for them. I have forwarded this to my attorney and now I am going to contact MD atty. Gen. and the FTC.
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#12 UPDATE Employee

Liars and cheats This franchise is absolutely disgusting

AUTHOR: Brady - (U.S.A.)

I have owned an ATL franchise for 2 1/2 yrs. This franchise is absolutely disgusting. 3 months after opening I pulled my advertising from them and I do it myself. My brother bought a franchise in MI. after trying to talk him out of it. I told him to only buy the All Tune & Lube and not the All Tune Transmissions or ATL Motor Mate.

All they do is collect a franchise fee for you to use the name. You do not need to. My brother went to the school after almost a year. They kept trying to get him to buy the other two after he wouldn't buy them, they gave them to him and said that if he did good that he could make payments on them without any written agreement. They give the people those franchises for free and charge eveybody else who allows themselves to be sold on it.

ATL has a GE Fleet program. I would not participate if I were you. They say that GE charges a 13% fee to handle their fleet cars and it has to be billed through ATL directly. This reason is that GE does not charge this fee I have been paid directly by GE a few times and every time it was 100% of the ticket. I spoke with GE after Dan Sparby, Vice President insisted that GE charges this fee and that ATL only collects this to assist the franchisees and they stated that they pay what ever the approved amount is that is faxed in by the franchisee. The truth is that ATL is collecting 20% of all of your GE Fleet business on a franchise agreement that states you pay 7%. They try not to pay you at all for them. I have forwarded this to my attorney and now I am going to contact MD atty. Gen. and the FTC.
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#13 Author of original report

They have shown no effort to negotiate and I feel it will be a waist of time

AUTHOR: Karen - (U.S.A.)

After 15 months of no negotiations on ATL's side, I will be going to Baltimore for a meeting with them. They have shown no effort to negotiate and I feel it will be a waist of time but must be done. I have turned them into the Texas Attorney General White Collar Crime Unit. I made copies of all the complaints about Atl from this web site. It would be best if everyone would do the same in each state. My Attorney will help also if your states need to contact him. The biggest complaint is fraud. They misrepresent, mislaed and flatout lie.
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#14 Consumer Comment

All Tune And Lube RIP-OFF!!! We were misled between the All Tune and Lube company as well as the owner

AUTHOR: Mildred Perez & Eddie Gonzalez - (U.S.A.)

We tried doing business with All Tune and Lube, and are in the same situation. We were misled between the All Tune and Lube company as well as the owner of the actual store for sale, Ira Brill, (whose business was in bad shape). All Tune and Lube took $11,000 from us, and $10,000 was given to Ira Brill, whose store is located in Skokie, Illinois. After never completing with our accountant's requirements, both parties kept our money, ripping us off, with $21,000. We were also misled into moving our 401K, by a sales rep named Mr. Fisher. Although they said we could pull that money for the franchise without being penalized, that ended up not being the case. Up to this day, we've lost $21,000 plus $5,000 in business related transactions. All Tune and Lube persistently tried makiing us purchase another store, yet we refused, after seeing how bad the economic conditions of several stores were. Their lies about their successful franchise are only misleading and illegal. These people need to be stopped and I would like to retreive my lost money. I am willing to join a law suit against them.
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#15 REBUTTAL Owner of company

Join your Law suit

AUTHOR: Amit - (U.S.A.)

please email me back regarding your case, i recently went through exactly what you have described and am in the same situation. I would seriously like to join your law suit if possible.. please contact me if you need additional information.

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