• Report: #263920

Complaint Review: AUTOMAX SALES TRAINING

  • Submitted: Sat, July 28, 2007
  • Updated: Mon, January 12, 2009

  • Reported By:petersburg Virginia
AUTOMAX SALES TRAINING
automaxtraining.com/ Internet U.S.A.

AUTOMAX SALES TRAINING SCAM CON ARTIST CONTRADICT THEMSELVES ON SCAM.COM RIP OFF BEWARE UTAH OR NEW JERSEY?? Internet

*Consumer Comment: NOBODY NEEDS AUTOMAX TRAINING IN ORDER TO SELL CARS! ALL YOU NEED IS......

*Consumer Comment: People are expecting jobs, not an "education".

*Consumer Comment: Automax: Not all people are cut out for auto sales

*Consumer Comment: Automax: Not all people are cut out for auto sales

*Consumer Comment: Automax: Not all people are cut out for auto sales

*Consumer Comment: Automax: Not all people are cut out for auto sales

*Consumer Suggestion: truth of Automax

*Consumer Comment: Auto Max: Legitimate or Scam?

*Consumer Comment: Auto Max: Legitimate or Scam?

*Consumer Comment: Auto Max: Legitimate or Scam?

*Consumer Comment: Auto Max: Legitimate or Scam?

*Consumer Comment: AutoMax Training Is NOT a Scam...It Is TRAINING with Job Placement Assistance

*Author of original report: automax strikes again trys to scam me twice in 30 days guees they forgot they already tried

*Author of original report: PRIORITY TOYOTA RICHMOND VA AUTOMAX SALES TRAINING SCAM INSIDER INFO PLEASE READ MEDIA WON'T HELP!!! TELL EVERYONE YOU KNOW PASS IT ON

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AUTOMAX SALES TRAINING IS A SCAM FAKE ADS FOR JOBS IN NEWSPAPERS MISLEADING JOB INTERVEIWS ETC.

I RECENTLY FOUND OUT ABOUT THIS COMPANY AFTER ALMOST GETTING SCAMMED BY THEM. ANY COMPANY OR COMPANY THAT HIRES THEM AND ASK YOU TO PAY THEM FOR A CHANCE AT EMPLOYMENT IS SCREWING YOU!!! THE OLD SAYING IF IT SOUNDS TO GOOD TO BE TRUE IT IS...

SO I DID SOME RESEARCH AND FOUND SOME IRONIC THINGS. THE THREAD ON SCAM.COM WAS SHUT DOWN. THIS WAS OBVIOUSLY A PAYOFF. THEN THERE IS THIS LONG RESPONSE FROM AUTOMAX AND IN THE RESPONSE THE CONTRADICT THEMSELVES.

THE AUTOMAX TRAINER GETS PAID BY COLLECTING A FEE FROM THE STUDENTS IN HIS/HER CLASS. THE MORE STUDENTS THE MORE MONEY IT'S NOT HARD TO FIGURE OUT. THE TRAINER IS AN INDEPENDANT CONTRACTOR NOT AN EMPLOYEE OF AUTOMAX THEY SAY IT THEMSELVES

Trainers are not employees of AutoMax:

Trainers are not employees of AutoMax. They are independent contractors in charge of their own business and AutoMax is a vehicle to help them succeed in automotive sales training. Trainers are not hired by AutoMax and AutoMax does not need to pay its trainers. Students and dealers pay the trainers. The trainers then pay AutoMax part of their income for its name, goodwill, proven technique, and sales materials.

THIS IS AN OBVIOUS CONFLICT OF INTEREST ALTHOUGH THEY CLAIM IT IS NOT. I GUESS THEY THINK WE ARE ALL STUPID

Trainers have a conflict of interest to graduate incompetent students to be paid:

There is no conflict of interest. To ensure their own long-term success, trainers want to provide dealerships with competent salespeople.

MY ADVICE STAY AWAY FROM AUTOMAX AND ANY CAR DEALER THAT USES THEY SERVICE TO HIRE SALES PEOPLE. THE TRAINERS ARE NOTHING MORE THAN CON ARTIST AND THE TURN OUT CROOKED SALES PEOPLE. I'LL BE ALL OF THEM HAVE TO TAKE LOTS OF MEDS TO GET TO SLEEP OR THEY JUST DON'T HAVE A SOUL.

Steve
petersburg, Virginia
U.S.A.

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#1 Consumer Comment

NOBODY NEEDS AUTOMAX TRAINING IN ORDER TO SELL CARS! ALL YOU NEED IS......

AUTHOR: Karl - (U.S.A.)

A desire to HELP PEOPLE who are looking to buy a new, or used car! THAT'S IT!

The majority of ALL Car Dealerships are being run by 'SHADY' people, and 'SHADY' corporations, who will LIE, CHEAT, DEFRAUD, MANIPULATE, DECEIVE, and even FORGE PEOPLE'S SIGNATURES in an attempt to 'sell a car'.

AUTOMAX IS A SCAM!

Many Car Dealerships are operating SCAMS!

The majority of business in the USA is being done through a SCAM!

The HOUSING BUBBLE was a result of a SCAM!

The loss of American's RETIREMENTS was a result of a SCAM!

The $50 BILLION Ponzi scheme by Bernard Madoff was the result of a SCAM!

The $700 BILLION 'bail-out' was a SCAM!

The STOCK MARKET is a SCAM!

YOU HAVE BEEN SCAMMED BY YOUR GOVERNMENT because your GOVERNMENT DIDN'T PUT the PEOPLE 1st! IT PUT the CORPORATIONS 1st! The corporations, many of them, have SCAMMED Americans out of their HOMES, JOBS, RETIREMENTS, 401K's, IRA's, and other investments! IT CAN'T BE DENIED!

WELCOME TO AMERICA- IN FRAUD WE TRUST!

P.S. Watch the REST of American's RETIREMENTS, 401K's, IRA's, and even PENSIONS, DISAPPEAR in 2009, and in 2010!

'Only a PAWN in their GAME!' - Dylan
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#2 Consumer Comment

People are expecting jobs, not an "education".

AUTHOR: Chuck - (U.S.A.)

This is too silly. All these so-called rebuttals don't address the complaints. Instead they are obvious sales tactics being used by Automax.

People go to these dealerships looking for employment, and not so-called sales classes that aren't recognized or accredited by any association, orginization, governing body, or anybody. They are misleading people who think they're are going to a job interview.

Speak to that instead of using lame sales tacics such as: 'you have to pay for college' etc.
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#3 Consumer Comment

Automax: Not all people are cut out for auto sales

AUTHOR: Ranger Dan - (U.S.A.)

I have been a manager in the automotive sales industry for 22 years. I came across this while researching Automax.

I have used companies like Automax my entire career. They serve a valuable purpose. Most dealerships will hire most anyone. The hire you, give you a desk, pat you on the rump and say, "There is the new car lot, there is the used car lot. Sell some cars and make me proud." That is the extent of the training.

Companies like Automax, and Joe Verde will teach an individual how to sell cars the correct way. They generally charge what a good salesperson will make on one sale for this service; about 500 bucks. What you get is practical application of the basics of automobile sales. You also get to tap into the knowledge of someone who has been in the industry for a while. The training is good, because if you fail, the automobile dealership where you are placed will not hire Automax to train any more salespeople. Make sense? The individual pays the Automaxx trainer AND the dealership pays if you work out. The better you are, the better reputaion Automax has. See, it does not benefit Automax in any way to just take your money and rip you off. How long could they stay in business if that was standard practice? According to their website, they have been in business for over 15 years. And they train people the right way.

Let me put it another way:

The average GOOD auto salesperson makes between 60K and 100K. Same as a young doctor or lawyer. How much did those two guys pay for their education? Way more than 500 bucks. I have made upwards of 200K as a manager of a car dealership. Most good salepeople get the opportunity to manage after a few years in the business. The rewards are great if you stick it out.

I have made a great living in this industry but if I had never been trained properly, I would have probably not performed well enough to succeed and I would have given up. Now I have a wonderful career.
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#4 Consumer Comment

Automax: Not all people are cut out for auto sales

AUTHOR: Ranger Dan - (U.S.A.)

I have been a manager in the automotive sales industry for 22 years. I came across this while researching Automax.

I have used companies like Automax my entire career. They serve a valuable purpose. Most dealerships will hire most anyone. The hire you, give you a desk, pat you on the rump and say, "There is the new car lot, there is the used car lot. Sell some cars and make me proud." That is the extent of the training.

Companies like Automax, and Joe Verde will teach an individual how to sell cars the correct way. They generally charge what a good salesperson will make on one sale for this service; about 500 bucks. What you get is practical application of the basics of automobile sales. You also get to tap into the knowledge of someone who has been in the industry for a while. The training is good, because if you fail, the automobile dealership where you are placed will not hire Automax to train any more salespeople. Make sense? The individual pays the Automaxx trainer AND the dealership pays if you work out. The better you are, the better reputaion Automax has. See, it does not benefit Automax in any way to just take your money and rip you off. How long could they stay in business if that was standard practice? According to their website, they have been in business for over 15 years. And they train people the right way.

Let me put it another way:

The average GOOD auto salesperson makes between 60K and 100K. Same as a young doctor or lawyer. How much did those two guys pay for their education? Way more than 500 bucks. I have made upwards of 200K as a manager of a car dealership. Most good salepeople get the opportunity to manage after a few years in the business. The rewards are great if you stick it out.

I have made a great living in this industry but if I had never been trained properly, I would have probably not performed well enough to succeed and I would have given up. Now I have a wonderful career.
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#5 Consumer Comment

Automax: Not all people are cut out for auto sales

AUTHOR: Ranger Dan - (U.S.A.)

I have been a manager in the automotive sales industry for 22 years. I came across this while researching Automax.

I have used companies like Automax my entire career. They serve a valuable purpose. Most dealerships will hire most anyone. The hire you, give you a desk, pat you on the rump and say, "There is the new car lot, there is the used car lot. Sell some cars and make me proud." That is the extent of the training.

Companies like Automax, and Joe Verde will teach an individual how to sell cars the correct way. They generally charge what a good salesperson will make on one sale for this service; about 500 bucks. What you get is practical application of the basics of automobile sales. You also get to tap into the knowledge of someone who has been in the industry for a while. The training is good, because if you fail, the automobile dealership where you are placed will not hire Automax to train any more salespeople. Make sense? The individual pays the Automaxx trainer AND the dealership pays if you work out. The better you are, the better reputaion Automax has. See, it does not benefit Automax in any way to just take your money and rip you off. How long could they stay in business if that was standard practice? According to their website, they have been in business for over 15 years. And they train people the right way.

Let me put it another way:

The average GOOD auto salesperson makes between 60K and 100K. Same as a young doctor or lawyer. How much did those two guys pay for their education? Way more than 500 bucks. I have made upwards of 200K as a manager of a car dealership. Most good salepeople get the opportunity to manage after a few years in the business. The rewards are great if you stick it out.

I have made a great living in this industry but if I had never been trained properly, I would have probably not performed well enough to succeed and I would have given up. Now I have a wonderful career.
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Automax: Not all people are cut out for auto sales

AUTHOR: Ranger Dan - (U.S.A.)

I have been a manager in the automotive sales industry for 22 years. I came across this while researching Automax.

I have used companies like Automax my entire career. They serve a valuable purpose. Most dealerships will hire most anyone. The hire you, give you a desk, pat you on the rump and say, "There is the new car lot, there is the used car lot. Sell some cars and make me proud." That is the extent of the training.

Companies like Automax, and Joe Verde will teach an individual how to sell cars the correct way. They generally charge what a good salesperson will make on one sale for this service; about 500 bucks. What you get is practical application of the basics of automobile sales. You also get to tap into the knowledge of someone who has been in the industry for a while. The training is good, because if you fail, the automobile dealership where you are placed will not hire Automax to train any more salespeople. Make sense? The individual pays the Automaxx trainer AND the dealership pays if you work out. The better you are, the better reputaion Automax has. See, it does not benefit Automax in any way to just take your money and rip you off. How long could they stay in business if that was standard practice? According to their website, they have been in business for over 15 years. And they train people the right way.

Let me put it another way:

The average GOOD auto salesperson makes between 60K and 100K. Same as a young doctor or lawyer. How much did those two guys pay for their education? Way more than 500 bucks. I have made upwards of 200K as a manager of a car dealership. Most good salepeople get the opportunity to manage after a few years in the business. The rewards are great if you stick it out.

I have made a great living in this industry but if I had never been trained properly, I would have probably not performed well enough to succeed and I would have given up. Now I have a wonderful career.
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#7 Consumer Suggestion

truth of Automax

AUTHOR: Dan - (U.S.A.)

I was a graduate of Automax in 2004. The dealer paid my at that time $599 fee. I continue to expand my knowledge in the business through Verde ect. Which comes with a hefty $1700 price tag and no placement or guarantee.
Back to Automax, the trainers get a portion of the student fees which pay for materials etc. The dealer pays for travel and expenses. the student fee covers materials an Trainer salary(so yes and no the trainers do work for automax as a contractor). The training is a good bases for process. and like the real estate market you pay for courses on real estate market with no guarantee to pass.
I can understand the concern with not being upfront with cost, as I was taken back alittle. But it is money well spent and the dealer will reimburse after the gestation period.
Dan
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Auto Max: Legitimate or Scam?

AUTHOR: Dr. Bear Ph.d - (U.S.A.)

While I am not an employee of Auto Max nor affiliated with them in any way I feel it incumbent to share some information to everyone who has the impression that this Organization is a scam.

First, about four years ago I worked for a major competitor of Auto Max. The Organization I worked for had a similar strategy for recruiting for Dealers. Those of you who imply that the Dealerships have no knowledge that the Company is recruiting for them are dead wrong. The Dealership agrees to allow the Company to recruit for them due to the fact that it takes an amazingly long period of time to find suitable candidates for their line of work. While it is true that the Automotive Industry requires long hours the payoff is immense for those people who possess a great attitude, strong work ethic, and a willingness to learn from veterans who have sold cars for an extended period of time.

When I was in the business I literally advanced to being a General Sales Manager within three years. Why did this happen? Because I demonstrated that I was willing to work the longer hours, I was willing to take direction from my Manager, I was willing to do whatever it took to get to the top. My question to each of you is this: Do you or did you have the same attitude when you went to your interview and training? If I had interviewed you I would have detected that you did not have the essential drive and personality necessary to succeed in the automotive industry and I would not have invited you back to the class. While this may be shocking for you to believe I turned more candidates down than I accepted due to my wanting to maintain a good reputation with the Dealership so they would request my services again.

However, in all fairness to you just as in any other industry there are good people and then there are bad people. Independent Contractors are no different. I have witnessed other trainers in my company invite anyone and everyone in their class due to their motivaton to make money all the while knowing that the Dealership would not hire the applicant. Also, I have witnessed Dealerships that wanted to hire just one or two sales consultants hire over 18 from a class of 20.

I have seen in each of your posts only your perceptions of what truly takes place with training of this sort so I am going to outline the entire process for you. A Dealership is typically contacted by a Company such as Auto Max for the purpose of assisting the Dealer in finding good quality people. The Advertisement to recruit these people is copywritten therefore the Dealership is made aware that the ad that will be used by the recruiting agency cannot in any way be used by the Dealer. Why? Because the Company has worked repetitively to develop recruitment advertisments that will definitely attract potential recruits. When the Dealership agrees to this term the Company tells the Dealership that a qualified trainer will arrive on a certain day at their Dealership and that he or she will do the screening, the interviewing, and the training. The Dealership only needs to provide a place for the Interviews to take place as well as the training.

When I did this work it was not unusual for me to move the training and recruitment to a Hotel Conference Room which I paid for out of my own pocket due to the fact that either the Dealership was either dated or their facility was a bit run down. I wanted nothing to interfere with me getting the right kind of applicant and I surely did not want the applicant reaching a decision on his or her own based on the appearance of the particular dealership I was recruiting for. When the Dealership agreed to the terms of the Advertisement the Company I worked for (remember a competitor of Auto Max) negotiated on my behalf to motivate the Dealer to pay for my Hotel room while at the training. In some cases, the Dealer was not willing to do so and in other cases they were.

In many cases, the Dealer agreed to pay for my Hotel after I arrived at their Dealership to conduct my interviewing, recruitment, and training. Once the Dealer saw that I was not just motivated by the money I would earn for training his or her potential employees and more concerned about him or her getting good quality people most dealers were extremely favorable. However, the point I want to make here is that the Company I worked for was in no way responsible to do this negotiating with the Dealer due to my being an Independent Contractor.

Before placing the advertisement the Dealership was interviewed extensively regarding what they were willing to do regarding training pay, how many people they were looking for, whether benefits such as medical, dental, down to whether a company demo would be provided for the traineee. The Dealer was also always made aware that applicants that paid a fee for training were much more likely to stay at least 90 days however it was the Dealer's repsonsibility to reimburse the applicant if hired. Also, it was made explicit by the Dealer that he or she was in no way obligated to hire any of the applicants if he or she did not feel they were the type of people he or she wanted to have as employees. Once these terms were agreed upon a contract was sent to the Dealership and signed by the authorized party. In addition, the Dealerships were responsible to pay for the advertisement placed on their behalf since it was the copywritten advertisement that drove candidates to the Dealership.

Once the trainer arrived he or she would spend Monday and Tuesday interviewing candidates. Wednesday morning training began. However, what I want to make clear is that the exact words I used when disclosing to the candidate the costs involved were as follows: "Mr. or Mrs. Candidate the final thing I want to discuss with you is that the Dealer is requiring you to pay for your training materials. There are three things I want you to know up front. First, in light of what you can earn in this business it is irrelevant. Second, you get all your money back after working here 90 days, and finally I do not want you to ask me any further questions about this becuase if you do it is obvious that you do not trust me and if that is the case I do not want you to be in my classs.

In the automotive business you will have managers telling you what to do all the time and it is a fast paced business whereby managers do not have the time to explain fully why they want you to do or say a certain thing. Are we clear?" There is no twisting the candidates arm and in fact on Wednesday which was the first day of training I clearly told each member of the class, "If you or anyone you know has a problem with the money I want you to feel the liberty and freedom to leave the room." This information was shared with the candidates after they were completely made aware of the automotive industry, the potential earnings IF they did their jobs correctly and they listened to the information provided by me in the next three days.

What information was I going to share? I am glad you asked because when you came to my training class you received information about the Social Psychological aspects of persuasion and influence, the motivators for people buying cars, and full training on what is known in the industry as the Road to A Sale.

So, how many of my trainees or recruits actually got hired by the host dealership. In almost every circumstance the host Dealer took each and every one of the trainees due to the level and skill the trainee possessed after I completely trained them. Were there times that a recruit or trainee was not hired? Yes! But it was clearly disclosed by me that this was a possibility so I coached my trainees how to interview well with my host Dealership becuase I always interviewed my Dealer on the day of my arrival to determine what attributes he or she was looking for in a candidate.

The fact is I nor ANY trainer or headhunting agency can teach you how to interview well. It has to be something you as an individual must possess. This is precesly why I did not invite someone to my class if they were socially inept, or introverted, or not willing to learn from me. If the recruit came across in this manner to me how in the world could I expect him to "magically" change during his or her interview with the Dealer? Well, then what happened to those few people that did not get hired? They simply went into the Placement Department and IF they maintained a consistent relationship with our Placement Department they were always made aware of Dealers that were hiring; especially those dealers we had relationships with in the past.

SO, the rumor that the Dealers were not made aware of what Auto Max was doing, the rumor that the candidate did not know about the payment he or she would have to pay for the training materials, and the rumors that the trainer knew the dealer would or would not hire a specific individual is a fallacy.

What about charging someone to get specific training that was specialized. Please remember that I am an educated individual who worked in the retail industry for several years. I had NO problem whatsoever charging a recruit or trainee the amount of money I charged because I gave them quality training. Period. If you are all twisted over the fact that an Auto Max Trainer charged you for your training and placement I have a major question for you. Would you have a problem paying another agency such as Snelling or any other Corporate Headhunter to obtain employment. The answer is NO! It should be no different for Auto Max. They have been conducting training for Dealerships for years and have established relationships with thousands of Dealerships. They have a solid reputation in the Automotive industry. So let me ask each of you what is your problem?

The problem is you did not get hired. I cannot speak for any other Trainer out there or for Auto Max because I never worked for them. But I can say I find it extremely hard to believe that you were not appraised of the fact that there was a possibility that you would not get hired if you did not interview out well, or that you had to pay for your training materials, or that you would be placed in the Placement Department if you should not get hired. In addition, I suspect much like my Training sessions that I conducted you were FREE to walk out of that class at any time. But you didnt! You chose to stay in the class, get your training and wanted to get hired.

Finally, there is fraudelent activity out in this industry. It comes from those who say they will pay for the materials, sign the documentation that states that they "could" get hired, go through the entire training while coming up with some sob story for the Trainer as to why the person could not come up with the money, get all the specialized training they could, not pay the Trainer, and go to another Dealership to get hired. Why do I call that fraudelent? Because an agreement signed by a recruit is legal and binding. I have had a few people try to get away with this but thankfully I saw what they were doing and simply kicked them out of class. You might ask why or whether the host Dealer agreed with this action. Mine did becuase it demonstrated to my host Dealer that the potential recruit was willing to steal from me after proper disclosure so what would stop him or her from stealing from the Dealer.

So what is my advice to each of you that have bad mouthed Auto Max? First, get your attitude towards and about success corrected. Nobody can MAKE you successful. It is simply up to you. Second, contact your Placement Office with a different attitude and kindly tell them that you would appreciate them locating a Dealership a bit closer and the reason why. Third, quit taking all of your time and energy and channeling it for ill will. The truth is Auto Max has done nothing wrong, nothing illegal, and they are attempting to get you placed if you will let them I am sure. Like I said I cannot vouch personally for Auto Max but I can tell you I worked for a direct competitor and even spoke with Auto Max about coming on board with them.

I never did go to work for them because now I am working in as a Trainer for a Major Corporation conducting Sales Training and being paid six figures. But I can assure you that if I ever was seeking employment I would be contacting Auto Max to work for them. Like I said there are good Trainers and bad Trainers in EVERY company. You cannot hold Auto Max liable for an Independent Contractors behavior. Contact the trainer and get his or her side of the story as to why you were not hired. I am very certain they can give you the reason becuase I was always provided the reason why one of my candidates was not hired.
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Auto Max: Legitimate or Scam?

AUTHOR: Dr. Bear Ph.d - (U.S.A.)

While I am not an employee of Auto Max nor affiliated with them in any way I feel it incumbent to share some information to everyone who has the impression that this Organization is a scam.

First, about four years ago I worked for a major competitor of Auto Max. The Organization I worked for had a similar strategy for recruiting for Dealers. Those of you who imply that the Dealerships have no knowledge that the Company is recruiting for them are dead wrong. The Dealership agrees to allow the Company to recruit for them due to the fact that it takes an amazingly long period of time to find suitable candidates for their line of work. While it is true that the Automotive Industry requires long hours the payoff is immense for those people who possess a great attitude, strong work ethic, and a willingness to learn from veterans who have sold cars for an extended period of time.

When I was in the business I literally advanced to being a General Sales Manager within three years. Why did this happen? Because I demonstrated that I was willing to work the longer hours, I was willing to take direction from my Manager, I was willing to do whatever it took to get to the top. My question to each of you is this: Do you or did you have the same attitude when you went to your interview and training? If I had interviewed you I would have detected that you did not have the essential drive and personality necessary to succeed in the automotive industry and I would not have invited you back to the class. While this may be shocking for you to believe I turned more candidates down than I accepted due to my wanting to maintain a good reputation with the Dealership so they would request my services again.

However, in all fairness to you just as in any other industry there are good people and then there are bad people. Independent Contractors are no different. I have witnessed other trainers in my company invite anyone and everyone in their class due to their motivaton to make money all the while knowing that the Dealership would not hire the applicant. Also, I have witnessed Dealerships that wanted to hire just one or two sales consultants hire over 18 from a class of 20.

I have seen in each of your posts only your perceptions of what truly takes place with training of this sort so I am going to outline the entire process for you. A Dealership is typically contacted by a Company such as Auto Max for the purpose of assisting the Dealer in finding good quality people. The Advertisement to recruit these people is copywritten therefore the Dealership is made aware that the ad that will be used by the recruiting agency cannot in any way be used by the Dealer. Why? Because the Company has worked repetitively to develop recruitment advertisments that will definitely attract potential recruits. When the Dealership agrees to this term the Company tells the Dealership that a qualified trainer will arrive on a certain day at their Dealership and that he or she will do the screening, the interviewing, and the training. The Dealership only needs to provide a place for the Interviews to take place as well as the training.

When I did this work it was not unusual for me to move the training and recruitment to a Hotel Conference Room which I paid for out of my own pocket due to the fact that either the Dealership was either dated or their facility was a bit run down. I wanted nothing to interfere with me getting the right kind of applicant and I surely did not want the applicant reaching a decision on his or her own based on the appearance of the particular dealership I was recruiting for. When the Dealership agreed to the terms of the Advertisement the Company I worked for (remember a competitor of Auto Max) negotiated on my behalf to motivate the Dealer to pay for my Hotel room while at the training. In some cases, the Dealer was not willing to do so and in other cases they were.

In many cases, the Dealer agreed to pay for my Hotel after I arrived at their Dealership to conduct my interviewing, recruitment, and training. Once the Dealer saw that I was not just motivated by the money I would earn for training his or her potential employees and more concerned about him or her getting good quality people most dealers were extremely favorable. However, the point I want to make here is that the Company I worked for was in no way responsible to do this negotiating with the Dealer due to my being an Independent Contractor.

Before placing the advertisement the Dealership was interviewed extensively regarding what they were willing to do regarding training pay, how many people they were looking for, whether benefits such as medical, dental, down to whether a company demo would be provided for the traineee. The Dealer was also always made aware that applicants that paid a fee for training were much more likely to stay at least 90 days however it was the Dealer's repsonsibility to reimburse the applicant if hired. Also, it was made explicit by the Dealer that he or she was in no way obligated to hire any of the applicants if he or she did not feel they were the type of people he or she wanted to have as employees. Once these terms were agreed upon a contract was sent to the Dealership and signed by the authorized party. In addition, the Dealerships were responsible to pay for the advertisement placed on their behalf since it was the copywritten advertisement that drove candidates to the Dealership.

Once the trainer arrived he or she would spend Monday and Tuesday interviewing candidates. Wednesday morning training began. However, what I want to make clear is that the exact words I used when disclosing to the candidate the costs involved were as follows: "Mr. or Mrs. Candidate the final thing I want to discuss with you is that the Dealer is requiring you to pay for your training materials. There are three things I want you to know up front. First, in light of what you can earn in this business it is irrelevant. Second, you get all your money back after working here 90 days, and finally I do not want you to ask me any further questions about this becuase if you do it is obvious that you do not trust me and if that is the case I do not want you to be in my classs.

In the automotive business you will have managers telling you what to do all the time and it is a fast paced business whereby managers do not have the time to explain fully why they want you to do or say a certain thing. Are we clear?" There is no twisting the candidates arm and in fact on Wednesday which was the first day of training I clearly told each member of the class, "If you or anyone you know has a problem with the money I want you to feel the liberty and freedom to leave the room." This information was shared with the candidates after they were completely made aware of the automotive industry, the potential earnings IF they did their jobs correctly and they listened to the information provided by me in the next three days.

What information was I going to share? I am glad you asked because when you came to my training class you received information about the Social Psychological aspects of persuasion and influence, the motivators for people buying cars, and full training on what is known in the industry as the Road to A Sale.

So, how many of my trainees or recruits actually got hired by the host dealership. In almost every circumstance the host Dealer took each and every one of the trainees due to the level and skill the trainee possessed after I completely trained them. Were there times that a recruit or trainee was not hired? Yes! But it was clearly disclosed by me that this was a possibility so I coached my trainees how to interview well with my host Dealership becuase I always interviewed my Dealer on the day of my arrival to determine what attributes he or she was looking for in a candidate.

The fact is I nor ANY trainer or headhunting agency can teach you how to interview well. It has to be something you as an individual must possess. This is precesly why I did not invite someone to my class if they were socially inept, or introverted, or not willing to learn from me. If the recruit came across in this manner to me how in the world could I expect him to "magically" change during his or her interview with the Dealer? Well, then what happened to those few people that did not get hired? They simply went into the Placement Department and IF they maintained a consistent relationship with our Placement Department they were always made aware of Dealers that were hiring; especially those dealers we had relationships with in the past.

SO, the rumor that the Dealers were not made aware of what Auto Max was doing, the rumor that the candidate did not know about the payment he or she would have to pay for the training materials, and the rumors that the trainer knew the dealer would or would not hire a specific individual is a fallacy.

What about charging someone to get specific training that was specialized. Please remember that I am an educated individual who worked in the retail industry for several years. I had NO problem whatsoever charging a recruit or trainee the amount of money I charged because I gave them quality training. Period. If you are all twisted over the fact that an Auto Max Trainer charged you for your training and placement I have a major question for you. Would you have a problem paying another agency such as Snelling or any other Corporate Headhunter to obtain employment. The answer is NO! It should be no different for Auto Max. They have been conducting training for Dealerships for years and have established relationships with thousands of Dealerships. They have a solid reputation in the Automotive industry. So let me ask each of you what is your problem?

The problem is you did not get hired. I cannot speak for any other Trainer out there or for Auto Max because I never worked for them. But I can say I find it extremely hard to believe that you were not appraised of the fact that there was a possibility that you would not get hired if you did not interview out well, or that you had to pay for your training materials, or that you would be placed in the Placement Department if you should not get hired. In addition, I suspect much like my Training sessions that I conducted you were FREE to walk out of that class at any time. But you didnt! You chose to stay in the class, get your training and wanted to get hired.

Finally, there is fraudelent activity out in this industry. It comes from those who say they will pay for the materials, sign the documentation that states that they "could" get hired, go through the entire training while coming up with some sob story for the Trainer as to why the person could not come up with the money, get all the specialized training they could, not pay the Trainer, and go to another Dealership to get hired. Why do I call that fraudelent? Because an agreement signed by a recruit is legal and binding. I have had a few people try to get away with this but thankfully I saw what they were doing and simply kicked them out of class. You might ask why or whether the host Dealer agreed with this action. Mine did becuase it demonstrated to my host Dealer that the potential recruit was willing to steal from me after proper disclosure so what would stop him or her from stealing from the Dealer.

So what is my advice to each of you that have bad mouthed Auto Max? First, get your attitude towards and about success corrected. Nobody can MAKE you successful. It is simply up to you. Second, contact your Placement Office with a different attitude and kindly tell them that you would appreciate them locating a Dealership a bit closer and the reason why. Third, quit taking all of your time and energy and channeling it for ill will. The truth is Auto Max has done nothing wrong, nothing illegal, and they are attempting to get you placed if you will let them I am sure. Like I said I cannot vouch personally for Auto Max but I can tell you I worked for a direct competitor and even spoke with Auto Max about coming on board with them.

I never did go to work for them because now I am working in as a Trainer for a Major Corporation conducting Sales Training and being paid six figures. But I can assure you that if I ever was seeking employment I would be contacting Auto Max to work for them. Like I said there are good Trainers and bad Trainers in EVERY company. You cannot hold Auto Max liable for an Independent Contractors behavior. Contact the trainer and get his or her side of the story as to why you were not hired. I am very certain they can give you the reason becuase I was always provided the reason why one of my candidates was not hired.
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Auto Max: Legitimate or Scam?

AUTHOR: Dr. Bear Ph.d - (U.S.A.)

While I am not an employee of Auto Max nor affiliated with them in any way I feel it incumbent to share some information to everyone who has the impression that this Organization is a scam.

First, about four years ago I worked for a major competitor of Auto Max. The Organization I worked for had a similar strategy for recruiting for Dealers. Those of you who imply that the Dealerships have no knowledge that the Company is recruiting for them are dead wrong. The Dealership agrees to allow the Company to recruit for them due to the fact that it takes an amazingly long period of time to find suitable candidates for their line of work. While it is true that the Automotive Industry requires long hours the payoff is immense for those people who possess a great attitude, strong work ethic, and a willingness to learn from veterans who have sold cars for an extended period of time.

When I was in the business I literally advanced to being a General Sales Manager within three years. Why did this happen? Because I demonstrated that I was willing to work the longer hours, I was willing to take direction from my Manager, I was willing to do whatever it took to get to the top. My question to each of you is this: Do you or did you have the same attitude when you went to your interview and training? If I had interviewed you I would have detected that you did not have the essential drive and personality necessary to succeed in the automotive industry and I would not have invited you back to the class. While this may be shocking for you to believe I turned more candidates down than I accepted due to my wanting to maintain a good reputation with the Dealership so they would request my services again.

However, in all fairness to you just as in any other industry there are good people and then there are bad people. Independent Contractors are no different. I have witnessed other trainers in my company invite anyone and everyone in their class due to their motivaton to make money all the while knowing that the Dealership would not hire the applicant. Also, I have witnessed Dealerships that wanted to hire just one or two sales consultants hire over 18 from a class of 20.

I have seen in each of your posts only your perceptions of what truly takes place with training of this sort so I am going to outline the entire process for you. A Dealership is typically contacted by a Company such as Auto Max for the purpose of assisting the Dealer in finding good quality people. The Advertisement to recruit these people is copywritten therefore the Dealership is made aware that the ad that will be used by the recruiting agency cannot in any way be used by the Dealer. Why? Because the Company has worked repetitively to develop recruitment advertisments that will definitely attract potential recruits. When the Dealership agrees to this term the Company tells the Dealership that a qualified trainer will arrive on a certain day at their Dealership and that he or she will do the screening, the interviewing, and the training. The Dealership only needs to provide a place for the Interviews to take place as well as the training.

When I did this work it was not unusual for me to move the training and recruitment to a Hotel Conference Room which I paid for out of my own pocket due to the fact that either the Dealership was either dated or their facility was a bit run down. I wanted nothing to interfere with me getting the right kind of applicant and I surely did not want the applicant reaching a decision on his or her own based on the appearance of the particular dealership I was recruiting for. When the Dealership agreed to the terms of the Advertisement the Company I worked for (remember a competitor of Auto Max) negotiated on my behalf to motivate the Dealer to pay for my Hotel room while at the training. In some cases, the Dealer was not willing to do so and in other cases they were.

In many cases, the Dealer agreed to pay for my Hotel after I arrived at their Dealership to conduct my interviewing, recruitment, and training. Once the Dealer saw that I was not just motivated by the money I would earn for training his or her potential employees and more concerned about him or her getting good quality people most dealers were extremely favorable. However, the point I want to make here is that the Company I worked for was in no way responsible to do this negotiating with the Dealer due to my being an Independent Contractor.

Before placing the advertisement the Dealership was interviewed extensively regarding what they were willing to do regarding training pay, how many people they were looking for, whether benefits such as medical, dental, down to whether a company demo would be provided for the traineee. The Dealer was also always made aware that applicants that paid a fee for training were much more likely to stay at least 90 days however it was the Dealer's repsonsibility to reimburse the applicant if hired. Also, it was made explicit by the Dealer that he or she was in no way obligated to hire any of the applicants if he or she did not feel they were the type of people he or she wanted to have as employees. Once these terms were agreed upon a contract was sent to the Dealership and signed by the authorized party. In addition, the Dealerships were responsible to pay for the advertisement placed on their behalf since it was the copywritten advertisement that drove candidates to the Dealership.

Once the trainer arrived he or she would spend Monday and Tuesday interviewing candidates. Wednesday morning training began. However, what I want to make clear is that the exact words I used when disclosing to the candidate the costs involved were as follows: "Mr. or Mrs. Candidate the final thing I want to discuss with you is that the Dealer is requiring you to pay for your training materials. There are three things I want you to know up front. First, in light of what you can earn in this business it is irrelevant. Second, you get all your money back after working here 90 days, and finally I do not want you to ask me any further questions about this becuase if you do it is obvious that you do not trust me and if that is the case I do not want you to be in my classs.

In the automotive business you will have managers telling you what to do all the time and it is a fast paced business whereby managers do not have the time to explain fully why they want you to do or say a certain thing. Are we clear?" There is no twisting the candidates arm and in fact on Wednesday which was the first day of training I clearly told each member of the class, "If you or anyone you know has a problem with the money I want you to feel the liberty and freedom to leave the room." This information was shared with the candidates after they were completely made aware of the automotive industry, the potential earnings IF they did their jobs correctly and they listened to the information provided by me in the next three days.

What information was I going to share? I am glad you asked because when you came to my training class you received information about the Social Psychological aspects of persuasion and influence, the motivators for people buying cars, and full training on what is known in the industry as the Road to A Sale.

So, how many of my trainees or recruits actually got hired by the host dealership. In almost every circumstance the host Dealer took each and every one of the trainees due to the level and skill the trainee possessed after I completely trained them. Were there times that a recruit or trainee was not hired? Yes! But it was clearly disclosed by me that this was a possibility so I coached my trainees how to interview well with my host Dealership becuase I always interviewed my Dealer on the day of my arrival to determine what attributes he or she was looking for in a candidate.

The fact is I nor ANY trainer or headhunting agency can teach you how to interview well. It has to be something you as an individual must possess. This is precesly why I did not invite someone to my class if they were socially inept, or introverted, or not willing to learn from me. If the recruit came across in this manner to me how in the world could I expect him to "magically" change during his or her interview with the Dealer? Well, then what happened to those few people that did not get hired? They simply went into the Placement Department and IF they maintained a consistent relationship with our Placement Department they were always made aware of Dealers that were hiring; especially those dealers we had relationships with in the past.

SO, the rumor that the Dealers were not made aware of what Auto Max was doing, the rumor that the candidate did not know about the payment he or she would have to pay for the training materials, and the rumors that the trainer knew the dealer would or would not hire a specific individual is a fallacy.

What about charging someone to get specific training that was specialized. Please remember that I am an educated individual who worked in the retail industry for several years. I had NO problem whatsoever charging a recruit or trainee the amount of money I charged because I gave them quality training. Period. If you are all twisted over the fact that an Auto Max Trainer charged you for your training and placement I have a major question for you. Would you have a problem paying another agency such as Snelling or any other Corporate Headhunter to obtain employment. The answer is NO! It should be no different for Auto Max. They have been conducting training for Dealerships for years and have established relationships with thousands of Dealerships. They have a solid reputation in the Automotive industry. So let me ask each of you what is your problem?

The problem is you did not get hired. I cannot speak for any other Trainer out there or for Auto Max because I never worked for them. But I can say I find it extremely hard to believe that you were not appraised of the fact that there was a possibility that you would not get hired if you did not interview out well, or that you had to pay for your training materials, or that you would be placed in the Placement Department if you should not get hired. In addition, I suspect much like my Training sessions that I conducted you were FREE to walk out of that class at any time. But you didnt! You chose to stay in the class, get your training and wanted to get hired.

Finally, there is fraudelent activity out in this industry. It comes from those who say they will pay for the materials, sign the documentation that states that they "could" get hired, go through the entire training while coming up with some sob story for the Trainer as to why the person could not come up with the money, get all the specialized training they could, not pay the Trainer, and go to another Dealership to get hired. Why do I call that fraudelent? Because an agreement signed by a recruit is legal and binding. I have had a few people try to get away with this but thankfully I saw what they were doing and simply kicked them out of class. You might ask why or whether the host Dealer agreed with this action. Mine did becuase it demonstrated to my host Dealer that the potential recruit was willing to steal from me after proper disclosure so what would stop him or her from stealing from the Dealer.

So what is my advice to each of you that have bad mouthed Auto Max? First, get your attitude towards and about success corrected. Nobody can MAKE you successful. It is simply up to you. Second, contact your Placement Office with a different attitude and kindly tell them that you would appreciate them locating a Dealership a bit closer and the reason why. Third, quit taking all of your time and energy and channeling it for ill will. The truth is Auto Max has done nothing wrong, nothing illegal, and they are attempting to get you placed if you will let them I am sure. Like I said I cannot vouch personally for Auto Max but I can tell you I worked for a direct competitor and even spoke with Auto Max about coming on board with them.

I never did go to work for them because now I am working in as a Trainer for a Major Corporation conducting Sales Training and being paid six figures. But I can assure you that if I ever was seeking employment I would be contacting Auto Max to work for them. Like I said there are good Trainers and bad Trainers in EVERY company. You cannot hold Auto Max liable for an Independent Contractors behavior. Contact the trainer and get his or her side of the story as to why you were not hired. I am very certain they can give you the reason becuase I was always provided the reason why one of my candidates was not hired.
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Auto Max: Legitimate or Scam?

AUTHOR: Dr. Bear Ph.d - (U.S.A.)

While I am not an employee of Auto Max nor affiliated with them in any way I feel it incumbent to share some information to everyone who has the impression that this Organization is a scam.

First, about four years ago I worked for a major competitor of Auto Max. The Organization I worked for had a similar strategy for recruiting for Dealers. Those of you who imply that the Dealerships have no knowledge that the Company is recruiting for them are dead wrong. The Dealership agrees to allow the Company to recruit for them due to the fact that it takes an amazingly long period of time to find suitable candidates for their line of work. While it is true that the Automotive Industry requires long hours the payoff is immense for those people who possess a great attitude, strong work ethic, and a willingness to learn from veterans who have sold cars for an extended period of time.

When I was in the business I literally advanced to being a General Sales Manager within three years. Why did this happen? Because I demonstrated that I was willing to work the longer hours, I was willing to take direction from my Manager, I was willing to do whatever it took to get to the top. My question to each of you is this: Do you or did you have the same attitude when you went to your interview and training? If I had interviewed you I would have detected that you did not have the essential drive and personality necessary to succeed in the automotive industry and I would not have invited you back to the class. While this may be shocking for you to believe I turned more candidates down than I accepted due to my wanting to maintain a good reputation with the Dealership so they would request my services again.

However, in all fairness to you just as in any other industry there are good people and then there are bad people. Independent Contractors are no different. I have witnessed other trainers in my company invite anyone and everyone in their class due to their motivaton to make money all the while knowing that the Dealership would not hire the applicant. Also, I have witnessed Dealerships that wanted to hire just one or two sales consultants hire over 18 from a class of 20.

I have seen in each of your posts only your perceptions of what truly takes place with training of this sort so I am going to outline the entire process for you. A Dealership is typically contacted by a Company such as Auto Max for the purpose of assisting the Dealer in finding good quality people. The Advertisement to recruit these people is copywritten therefore the Dealership is made aware that the ad that will be used by the recruiting agency cannot in any way be used by the Dealer. Why? Because the Company has worked repetitively to develop recruitment advertisments that will definitely attract potential recruits. When the Dealership agrees to this term the Company tells the Dealership that a qualified trainer will arrive on a certain day at their Dealership and that he or she will do the screening, the interviewing, and the training. The Dealership only needs to provide a place for the Interviews to take place as well as the training.

When I did this work it was not unusual for me to move the training and recruitment to a Hotel Conference Room which I paid for out of my own pocket due to the fact that either the Dealership was either dated or their facility was a bit run down. I wanted nothing to interfere with me getting the right kind of applicant and I surely did not want the applicant reaching a decision on his or her own based on the appearance of the particular dealership I was recruiting for. When the Dealership agreed to the terms of the Advertisement the Company I worked for (remember a competitor of Auto Max) negotiated on my behalf to motivate the Dealer to pay for my Hotel room while at the training. In some cases, the Dealer was not willing to do so and in other cases they were.

In many cases, the Dealer agreed to pay for my Hotel after I arrived at their Dealership to conduct my interviewing, recruitment, and training. Once the Dealer saw that I was not just motivated by the money I would earn for training his or her potential employees and more concerned about him or her getting good quality people most dealers were extremely favorable. However, the point I want to make here is that the Company I worked for was in no way responsible to do this negotiating with the Dealer due to my being an Independent Contractor.

Before placing the advertisement the Dealership was interviewed extensively regarding what they were willing to do regarding training pay, how many people they were looking for, whether benefits such as medical, dental, down to whether a company demo would be provided for the traineee. The Dealer was also always made aware that applicants that paid a fee for training were much more likely to stay at least 90 days however it was the Dealer's repsonsibility to reimburse the applicant if hired. Also, it was made explicit by the Dealer that he or she was in no way obligated to hire any of the applicants if he or she did not feel they were the type of people he or she wanted to have as employees. Once these terms were agreed upon a contract was sent to the Dealership and signed by the authorized party. In addition, the Dealerships were responsible to pay for the advertisement placed on their behalf since it was the copywritten advertisement that drove candidates to the Dealership.

Once the trainer arrived he or she would spend Monday and Tuesday interviewing candidates. Wednesday morning training began. However, what I want to make clear is that the exact words I used when disclosing to the candidate the costs involved were as follows: "Mr. or Mrs. Candidate the final thing I want to discuss with you is that the Dealer is requiring you to pay for your training materials. There are three things I want you to know up front. First, in light of what you can earn in this business it is irrelevant. Second, you get all your money back after working here 90 days, and finally I do not want you to ask me any further questions about this becuase if you do it is obvious that you do not trust me and if that is the case I do not want you to be in my classs.

In the automotive business you will have managers telling you what to do all the time and it is a fast paced business whereby managers do not have the time to explain fully why they want you to do or say a certain thing. Are we clear?" There is no twisting the candidates arm and in fact on Wednesday which was the first day of training I clearly told each member of the class, "If you or anyone you know has a problem with the money I want you to feel the liberty and freedom to leave the room." This information was shared with the candidates after they were completely made aware of the automotive industry, the potential earnings IF they did their jobs correctly and they listened to the information provided by me in the next three days.

What information was I going to share? I am glad you asked because when you came to my training class you received information about the Social Psychological aspects of persuasion and influence, the motivators for people buying cars, and full training on what is known in the industry as the Road to A Sale.

So, how many of my trainees or recruits actually got hired by the host dealership. In almost every circumstance the host Dealer took each and every one of the trainees due to the level and skill the trainee possessed after I completely trained them. Were there times that a recruit or trainee was not hired? Yes! But it was clearly disclosed by me that this was a possibility so I coached my trainees how to interview well with my host Dealership becuase I always interviewed my Dealer on the day of my arrival to determine what attributes he or she was looking for in a candidate.

The fact is I nor ANY trainer or headhunting agency can teach you how to interview well. It has to be something you as an individual must possess. This is precesly why I did not invite someone to my class if they were socially inept, or introverted, or not willing to learn from me. If the recruit came across in this manner to me how in the world could I expect him to "magically" change during his or her interview with the Dealer? Well, then what happened to those few people that did not get hired? They simply went into the Placement Department and IF they maintained a consistent relationship with our Placement Department they were always made aware of Dealers that were hiring; especially those dealers we had relationships with in the past.

SO, the rumor that the Dealers were not made aware of what Auto Max was doing, the rumor that the candidate did not know about the payment he or she would have to pay for the training materials, and the rumors that the trainer knew the dealer would or would not hire a specific individual is a fallacy.

What about charging someone to get specific training that was specialized. Please remember that I am an educated individual who worked in the retail industry for several years. I had NO problem whatsoever charging a recruit or trainee the amount of money I charged because I gave them quality training. Period. If you are all twisted over the fact that an Auto Max Trainer charged you for your training and placement I have a major question for you. Would you have a problem paying another agency such as Snelling or any other Corporate Headhunter to obtain employment. The answer is NO! It should be no different for Auto Max. They have been conducting training for Dealerships for years and have established relationships with thousands of Dealerships. They have a solid reputation in the Automotive industry. So let me ask each of you what is your problem?

The problem is you did not get hired. I cannot speak for any other Trainer out there or for Auto Max because I never worked for them. But I can say I find it extremely hard to believe that you were not appraised of the fact that there was a possibility that you would not get hired if you did not interview out well, or that you had to pay for your training materials, or that you would be placed in the Placement Department if you should not get hired. In addition, I suspect much like my Training sessions that I conducted you were FREE to walk out of that class at any time. But you didnt! You chose to stay in the class, get your training and wanted to get hired.

Finally, there is fraudelent activity out in this industry. It comes from those who say they will pay for the materials, sign the documentation that states that they "could" get hired, go through the entire training while coming up with some sob story for the Trainer as to why the person could not come up with the money, get all the specialized training they could, not pay the Trainer, and go to another Dealership to get hired. Why do I call that fraudelent? Because an agreement signed by a recruit is legal and binding. I have had a few people try to get away with this but thankfully I saw what they were doing and simply kicked them out of class. You might ask why or whether the host Dealer agreed with this action. Mine did becuase it demonstrated to my host Dealer that the potential recruit was willing to steal from me after proper disclosure so what would stop him or her from stealing from the Dealer.

So what is my advice to each of you that have bad mouthed Auto Max? First, get your attitude towards and about success corrected. Nobody can MAKE you successful. It is simply up to you. Second, contact your Placement Office with a different attitude and kindly tell them that you would appreciate them locating a Dealership a bit closer and the reason why. Third, quit taking all of your time and energy and channeling it for ill will. The truth is Auto Max has done nothing wrong, nothing illegal, and they are attempting to get you placed if you will let them I am sure. Like I said I cannot vouch personally for Auto Max but I can tell you I worked for a direct competitor and even spoke with Auto Max about coming on board with them.

I never did go to work for them because now I am working in as a Trainer for a Major Corporation conducting Sales Training and being paid six figures. But I can assure you that if I ever was seeking employment I would be contacting Auto Max to work for them. Like I said there are good Trainers and bad Trainers in EVERY company. You cannot hold Auto Max liable for an Independent Contractors behavior. Contact the trainer and get his or her side of the story as to why you were not hired. I am very certain they can give you the reason becuase I was always provided the reason why one of my candidates was not hired.
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AutoMax Training Is NOT a Scam...It Is TRAINING with Job Placement Assistance

AUTHOR: Idiotpatrol - (U.S.A.)

How can you claim this to be a scam if you haven't even paid for the training and applied for jobs through AutoMax's job placement assistance?? AutoMax provides sales person training and job placement assistance, not guaranteed jobs.

Do college students get a job guarantee when they GRADUATE? NO. They put they're training into a RESUME and apply for jobs. My college had job placement assistance but the computer science field was bad at the time and I couldn't get a job for awhile. Obviously some people who can't find jobs after training get angry and some of whom report it as a scam. Not everyone is cut out to be a sales person and NOBODY who takes a course in ANY field has a job guarantee.

Dealerships interface with Automax about finding and training QUALIFIED sales people. Automax contracts out professionals, with extensive sales experience combined with training experience from AutoMax, to assist candidates in acquiring the necessary job skills to be a sales person. Your comments about the trainers not being employees of Automax being a conflict of interest just proves you don't know what you're talking about. Maybe you need it to be repeated, AutoMax offers SALES TRAINING and JOB PLACEMENT ASSISTANCE. There is no guarantee of a job. Of course the trainer would prefer to teach more people per course, the same can be said for COLLEGES. It doesn't mean they're not trying to give you the best possible training. I guess by your rationale, colleges are scams too. You don't see anybody who can't get a job after GRADUATING college claim they were scammed. I went to college for computer science and GRADUATED when there were barely any job opportunities and it took awhile to find a decent one.

Dealerships like Priority Toyota allow AutoMax to have their trainers conduct classes at the dealership because they are the ones who are looking for good employees and called AutoMax in the first place. Obviously you want the potential candidates to reside near the potential job. Hence the reason the course is held at the dealership. LOL...cookie cutter ads huh. It's a sales training course provided by the same company across the nation, of course it's the same ad all over.

Why should people who leach the course and don't pay be able to graduate? Are you kidding me? I can enroll in college and go to class but if I don't pay, I don't graduate. These trainers travel the country, why would he remember you just because you've been in his class twice. Maybe he did remember you but didn't want to bring up the fact that you leached the training before and didn't pay.

The add for Sales Trainers CLEARLY states they need sales/management experience. It says they don't need prior SALES TRAINING experience. Try reading the ad. Once hired as a consultant, AutoMax does train them. Also, the majority of sales jobs run ads almost identical to these. It's the nature of the job and how the employee earns their living.

Oh my god, you keep getting the email because you attended a seminar and didn't pay for training. Of course they're going to keep emailing you to see if you're still interested. And you are contradicting yourself in all these posts. You know the trainer is not your PERSPECTIVE EMPLOYER. You need to apply to a dealership and then THAT DEALERSHIP becomes your PERSPECTIVE EMPLOYER. Until you pay for your training and job placement assistance, and then APPLY TO DEALERSHIP(s), you haven't applied for a job genius.

The local news isn't listening to you because you haven't been scammed and have no proof of anyone being scammed. I've got NEWS for you, if you spend your last $300 dollars on anything but your rent, you can't be that bright. Hence the reason you may be poor and/or unemployed. That being said, 95% of people who attend 4 YEARS of college don't have the money to pay for it, they open student loans.

It's best not to insult people/organizations and accuse them of being something they are not. Giving out people's names and non-public contact information, as you've done, without their consent or legitimate reason for doing so is illegal. It's a good way of getting sued. AutoMax's website explains everything clearly and guarantees nothing but a solid training course and job placement assistance.
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automax strikes again trys to scam me twice in 30 days guees they forgot they already tried

AUTHOR: Steve - (U.S.A.)

well to follow up on the story i got this email two days ago. apparrently they do not realize i already applied and went through their training program (well up to the point they ask for $300) i got a good laugh at this email i even considered showing up to see if my buddy Bob Stevens was teaching the class again but i did not get off work in time.. I thought there was a law the said a perspective employer had to keep my application on file for a set amount of time. it is obvious that automax and priority toyota of richmond regularly run this scam and both parties are aware of what is going on.

i could not get the local news wwbt 12 an nbc affiliate to check this scam out and do a news story. i guess they ARE NOT 12 on your side as they claim. apparently the poor and unemployed getting scammed out of their last $300 of rent money is NOT NEWS. anyway i posted the email below read it for yourself and stay away from any car dealer that uses their training program and tell everyone you know!!!!!


sent: wednesday 8/15/2007 10:00am

Dear Steve,

If you are still seeking employment in the RichmondArea, we remain very interested in speaking with you, and would like to invite you to schedule an interview with us at. Interviews will be held , ONLY Tuesday and Wednesday, August 21st and 22nd, between 9:30 AM and 6:00 PM, and will be held at Priority Toyota Scion of Richmond, 2000 Walthall Center Drive, Chester, Va 23831. (14Ft from I-95, Exit 58).

If you are at least eighteen (18) years of age, are a U.S. citizen or legal resident with a green card, and possess a valid driver's license, REPLY TO THIS EMAIL, and advise me which of the two days and what time would be best for you to come in for a face-to-face interview, and PLEASE INCLUDE YOUR NAME AND PHONE NUMBER, just in case we need to reach you; however, your interview day and time will be confirmed by return email.

When you arrive, ask for the AutoMax representative, please TAKE A COPY OF YOUR RESUME WITH YOU, and note that that there is always the possibility of a delay should previous interviews take longer than expected. It is in your best interest to schedule a definite time for an interview; however, if you are unable to do so, you may come in either day for a walk-in interview. Thank you for your resume and your anticipated prompt reply.
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PRIORITY TOYOTA RICHMOND VA AUTOMAX SALES TRAINING SCAM INSIDER INFO PLEASE READ MEDIA WON'T HELP!!! TELL EVERYONE YOU KNOW PASS IT ON

AUTHOR: Steve - (U.S.A.)

Automax sales training is a scam and the dealers are in on it especially Priority Toyota at 2000 Walthal Center Drive Chester Va. 23834 phone 804-796-1800. General Manager Steve Cochrane is letting them use there conference room for the classes and knows Automax is charging MONEY to the students. They also have another another location at 910 Colonial Heights Boulavard. They recently ran this ad in the Richmond paper and on Monster. This is a cookie cutter ad. You can find this ad in papers all over the country and all over Monster.com .

Check it out for yourself just go to Monster and search Automax Sales Training. Priority Toyota Scion of Richmond ran this same SCAM back in December of 2006 as well so this is not their first time at it. The ads run in the paper and on Monster and are quickly removed after the dates have passed to cover there tracks. The ad below was cut and pasted directly from Monster. Read my entire update and see how the SCAM just goes on and on and on. I have the proof in the pudding and on paper so NO REBUTTALS CAN OVERCOME ACTUAL PROOF THAT YOU CAN RESEARCH FOR YOURSELF.

A guy named Bob Stevens(Robert F Stevens) was the Automax rep at this one. His Direct cell number is 609-377-1788. He wanted me to pay him directly for this training. Right to his Paypal account which is autovisionsalestraining@comcast.net. I caught a glimpse of his Paypal debit card in his wallet when he gave me change for a five. He's slick be carefull. All 20 plus students graduated well the ones that paid did. this was my third one of these seminars and my second one with Bob amazing he did not reconize me huh. I never give up the money I don't really need the job I am just compiling info to get these guys to stop scamming the poor and unemployed. I can't make it to all of them only when I have the time. See ad below cut and pasted from Monster.com

Priority Toyota Scion of Richmond NO EXP REQUIRED Auto Sales Interviews July 24th and 25th
Auto Sales

NO experience? No problem!
we will train you the right way

What kind of life do you DREAM about? What kind of SUCCESS do you see? Make your DREAM a reality and find your SUCCESS at Priority Toyota Scion of Richmond Recent growth has opened up several ground-level sales opportunities. No Experience Needed! We have hired the nations #1 automotive sales training company to transform you into a SUCCESSFUL automotive sales consultant! The more $$$ you make the more JOB SECURITY you have because the more $$$ you make the more $$$ we make!

Interviews are 2 days only!
Monday July 24th & Tuesday July 25th from 9:30am 6:00pm
Please dress professionally for your interview.


Priority Toyota Scion of Richmond:
Excellent pay plan with big bonuses & great incentives!
Paid starts as soon as you are hired!
Up to $123,000 annual earning potential!
Benefits include medical, dental, 401k plan & paid vacations!
5-day workweeks!
Ongoing training and development!


Dont get trapped in a dead-end job! The definition of a job = Just Over Broke! Its TIME to start your new career! Make a DECISION now! Dont waste any more TIME! You dont NEED experience, you dont NEED a college education, you dont even NEED to know anything about cars! What you do NEED is good relationship skills, an open mind and a willingness to reinvent yourself! Start getting paid what you are worth. Get down here NOW!


Still not convinced that this is for you?
Call (800) 859-5695 ext. 314 for more information.

This phone number is the same in all the ads across the country. The only thing that changes is the ext#. This number is not to the dealer in the ad but to Automax and is just another ad but call it and listen for a good laugh at h*e generic and none specific it is.

See more ads below

Albuquerque Lincoln Mercury Volvo Auto Sales FREE TRAINING Interviews July 30 and 31 and Aug 1
Auto Sales


What kind of life do you DREAM about? What kind of SUCCESS do you see? Make your DREAM a reality and find your SUCCESS at Albuquerque Lincoln Mercury Volvo! Recent growth has opened up several ground-level sales opportunities. No Experience Needed! We have hired the nations #1 automotive sales training company to transform you into a SUCCESSFUL automotive sales consultant! We will pay for the training! We want to invest in your future!


Interviews are 3 days only!
Monday July 30th, Tuesday July 31st and Wednesday August 1st from 9:30am 6:00pm
Please dress professionally for your interview.


Albuquerque Lincoln Mercury Volvo Offers:
FREE TRAINING!
Excellent pay plan with big bonuses & great incentives!
$5,000 training salary that starts as soon as you are hired!
Up to $100,000 annual earning potential!
Benefits include medical, dental, vision, 401k plan & paid vacations!
Special employee pricing on vehicles!
Flexible schedules!
Established in the community!
Ongoing training and development!
Family owned & operated!
Room for advancement!

Albuquerque Lincoln Mercury Volvo
7300 Lomas Blvd, Albuquerque, NM

Dont get trapped in a dead-end job! The definition of a job = Just Over Broke! Its TIME to start your new career! Make the DECISION right now that YOU are going to do this! Dont waste any more TIME! You dont NEED experience, you dont NEED a college education, you dont even NEED to know anything about cars! What you do NEED is good relationship skills, an open mind and a willingness to reinvent yourself! Start getting paid what you are worth. Get down here NOW!


Still not convinced that this is for you?
Call (800) 859-5695 ext. 318 for more information.



Reads the same doesn't it????? The worst part is they scam their trainers too check out this ad

Automotive Sales Trainer

What kind of life do you DREAM aboutWhat kind of SUCCESS do you want to achieve? Make your DREAM a reality and find your SUCCESS as a Sales Trainer for AutoMax Sales Training. AutoMax is the #1 automotive salesperson recruiting & training company in North America! Recent growth has opened several Sales Trainer opportunities in Richmond and the surrounding markets. Minimal overnight travel required.

If you are a STRONG SALES CLOSER we will turn you into a SUCCESSFUL Automotive Sales Trainer! No Formal Training Experience Needed! You will experience significant earning potential using our industry-leading recruiting & sales training programs. We are looking for Closers, Desk Managers, Sales Managers or All-Star Salespeople!

An increasing number of dealerships realize their need to outsource the recruiting and training of sales personnel. It is vital they maintain a relationship with a trusted partner. For over 10 years, AutoMax has been a NATIONALLY-RECOGNIZED BRAND, providing trainers and clients with predictable and SUCCESSFUL RESULTS. AutoMax Sales Trainers are among the TOP PROFESSIONALS in the training industry with the potential for a SIX-FIGURE INCOME. Enjoy a career unlike any other while experiencing the quality of life you have always dreamed about!


Dont miss this rare opportunity!
Make a positive change in your life and in the life of others!
Apply now! Immediate Positions Available!


Qualified candidates will need:
Must be a strong closer!
A proven track record with 3 - 5 years sales/management experience in the automotive industry.
The highest level of integrity, accountability and sales excellence!
A desire to take the next step in an already successful career!
Self-motivation and perseverance!
Good relationship skills, an open mind and a willingness to reinvent yourself!
To be able to lead by example!
An entrepreneurial spirit!

Tired of making money while feeling trapped in a dead-end job with no real sense of satisfaction? Its TIME to start your new career in training! Make a DECISION now to hear what this is all about! Dont waste any more TIME! Start getting paid what you are worth and more importantly the FREEDOM you deserve. Apply NOW!


Bi-lingual a plus! All applications will be accepted, however we encourage candidates from the Automotive and RV industries with experience in any of the following positions to apply: closer, sales manager, new car manager, general sales manager, used car manager, general manager, F&I manager & sales trainer.

Apply now to schedule your interview. Please dress professionally. Applicants must have a valid drivers license and a clean driving record.
AutoMax 2007

Sounds just like the car salesmen ad oh the irony and no experience needed here either hahahaha!!!!! But not according to Automax website their trainers go through an extensive and rigorous training and have immpeccable experience(not what the ad in the paper says)

automaxtraining.com/

See below cut and pasted from Automax's website

AutoMax Sales Trainers are regarded as among the top professionals in the training industry. They enjoy a career unlike any other, experience the quality of life they have always dreamed of, as well as a six-figure income potential. AutoMaxs successful business model of over 10 years provides the basis for success.

In todays competitive business environment increasing numbers of dealerships realize the need to outsource their recruiting and training of sales personnel. It is vital they have a trusted partner. We offer a nationally recognized brand to our clients and the trainers who represent us. Our salesperson recruiting and training programs have withstood the test of time. We have a proven business model that provides both new and established trainers and the clients they serve with predictable and successful results.

Qualified candidates will need:

A proven track record of 5 to 7 years experience in the automotive industry
The highest level of integrity, accountability and sales excellence
A desire to take the next step in an already successful career
Self-motivation and perseverance
To be able to lead by example
An entrepreneurial spirit

Each candidate must complete a demanding selection process that includes:

Review of work history and qualifications
Wonderlic Assessment
Microsoft Office Live Meeting Power Point Presentation
One-on-one phone conversation with General Manager to determine compatibility (Q & A)
Criminal background check, DMV abstract, Social Security number verification and full reference check
Follow up conversation with General Manager
Final interview with the President & Founder

You can expect to receive unparalleled support from the home office as soon as your career begins. From initial training and business set up, this support will continue with ongoing training provided by senior level trainers and home office leadership to assist you in managing any challenge that may arise.

Once selected, you will receive comprehensive training in our sales recruiting and training process. In addition to the client opportunities provided to you by AutoMax, our senior management and corporate office will assist you in identifying and developing additional clients of your own. Our mutual goal is for you to develop 10-15 clients in addition to those that are provided to you by AutoMax. As you develop these clients, you should expect first year earnings to be approximately $70,000 - $90,000 . Typical second year earnings should be approximately $90,000 - $125,000 , followed by third year earnings of $125,000 - $175,000 . There is a very broad earnings range; because the trainers are Independent Contractors, they have control over which weeks they work, how often they work and ultimately what they earn through their individual efforts, talents and abilities. Our top income earning trainers have between 10-15 repeat clients and earn approximately $125,000 - $250,000 annually.

So which is it what the ad they placed says or what their website says. You must wonder about a company that contradicts itself!!!!!! You can talk to the owner via a conference call if you like. Craig Lockerd has a call in every friday at 1pm eastern time the # 712-338-8900 then enter pin # 7741 and let him know how you really feel. You will not find this # anywhere on the site unless you have insider info like me or go to one of the training classes yourself they don't ask for the money till the end and don't give it up.

MY ADVICE STAY AWAY FROM AUTOMAX SALES TRAINING AND ANY CAR DEALER THAT HAS ANYTHING TO DO WITH THEM. DON'T WORK FOR THEM OR BUY A CAR FROM THEM AND TELL EVERYONE YOU KNOW. WORD OF MOUTH IS THE BEST ADVERTISMENT AND THE MEDIA WON'T HELP BECAUSE THEY MAKE TO MUCH MONEY IN ADS FROM BOTH DEALERS AND AUTOMAX. THE ONLY WAY TO STOP THEM IS HIT THEM WHERE IT COUNTS RIGHT IN THE PURSE BECAUSE ALL THEY WANT IS YOUR MONEY HOWEVER THEY CAN GET IT!!!!!

P.S. ripoffreport please help get the word out get involved. we love you ED keep up the good work
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