- Report: #920776
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Complaint Review: Accomplish Learning / Black Box Firm
Accomplish Learning / Black Box Firm6135 S Stratler St. Murray, Utah United States of America
Accomplish Learning / Black Box Firm Vince Scarpuzzi Rip Off Telemarketer scam thief scammers Murray, Utah
*REBUTTAL Owner of company: We ARe Honest- There Are Just A Bunch Of People Who Hate Us!
*UPDATE Employee: One other NOTE to point out on this SLANDER
*UPDATE Employee: False complaint
*Author of original report: Write Off The Money You Sent To Accomplish Learning / Black Box Firm
I was contacted by Accomplish Learning about setting up a web site and getting an e-commerce income stream. I was going to get a full fledged business, website, seo, and top of google rankings. Accomplish set me up with financing (which in itself turned out to be an expensive scam). Then they turned me over to their partners "The Black Box Firm". to coach me and make my site.
So after a few weeks, I finally get my website. It is pretty cheesy looking, and I say so. They don't care- they say they did their bit, and they want 5K. And they want even more money to get the SEO going and get the Google ranking.
Needless to say, anyone who promises you top of google is a scam. And so I looked into this more, and found out this is just a continuation of a scam these guys are famous in Utah for. It seems there are two guys named Aaron Christner and Ryan Jensen (I think- they have a few aliases, but I think this is their real names!). Every year or so, the Utah Depart ment of Consumer Affairs shuts them down and fines them, and then they pop up under a new name, and start scamming people again. I looked up their previous company's with BBB, and they all score an "F"- look here:
Accomplish Learning Group
Diverse Marketing LLC
Simplified Marketing LLC
The Black Box Firm LLC
At least they are consistent, huh? From the reports at the BB online, it looks like they just abandon their customers after a couple months. I can say that is EXACTLY my experience. They do not even answer their phones any more when I call! Why should they- they got my money already!
They must have pissed off a lot of people, because there are a LOT of complaints about them on the Interwebs. I see from some posts that they also do not pay their bills or their employees. Nice guys. I googled some more, and I found some very well researched sites into this scam. Here is one site with a lot of background on The Black Box Firm, including court documents backing up the claims and court cases against Aaron Christner and Ryan Scott Jensen. Here is a similar site showing the Accomplish Learning Group scam.
Along the wayt, I also see that Christner and Jensen are trying to muddy the water with sites of their own, claiming they are nice guys and give to charity and all. I seriously doubt that... and there certianly is no documentary proof of it. The above linked sites show actual court judgements against Christner and Jensen, and new ones every year. I think it is obvious who is pulling the scams here!
My advice- if you get a call from anyone- research it closely on the web. If you get a call from Christner and Jensen, hang up immediately. These two are no good at all!
This report was posted on Ripoff Report on 08/01/2012 08:08 AM and is a permanent record located here: http://www.ripoffreport.com/r/Accomplish-Learning-Black-Box-Firm/Murray-Utah-84107/Accomplish-Learning-Black-Box-Firm-Vince-Scarpuzzi-Rip-Off-Telemarketer-scam-thief-scamm-920776. The posting time indicated is Arizona local time. Arizona does not observe daylight savings so the post time may be Mountain or Pacific depending on the time of year.
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