- Report: #634338
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Complaint Review: Adam Ginsberg International
Adam Ginsberg International11693 San Vincente Blvd, Ste 518 Los Angeles, California United States of America
Adam Ginsberg International Adam Ginsberg International Adam Ginsberg gave a deceptive show about Speedings potential to generate passive income; he tricked people to pay $6000 (or more) for his product; Speedlings did not generate revenues Los Angeles, California
*Consumer Comment: I DID THE MATH AND IT DOES NOT ADD UP
*Author of original report: Updated Status, by Alfred
*REBUTTAL Owner of company: In response to Alfred Le
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On July 9, 2010, I was present at a commercial training at Los Angeles airport, when Adam Ginsberg appeared as a guest speaker.
He promoted a new web-based application called Speedlings. He gave a demo by registering a new domain, then built a new web site, then did some manipulations to show that the new site was generating money every few minutes, from various associated links. He calculated that a site must generate at least $1.00 per day, and if one person builds a new site each day consistently, that person can generate at least $120000 of "passive income" per year, from all 365 sites. He stated that a particular site of his, www.discountlipgl***.com normally generated $14/day for him.
He then asked people in attendance (about 100) to sign up for Speedlings, by giving additional reasons. He said that he would not come back at a later time, that if a person signs up on that day, the cost of a domain name would be "grandfathered in" at $15 per domain.
Furthermore, he gave a guarantee to pay back "double your money" after one year, if a person cannot make a profit after one year. The pre-requisite is that a person must generate 30 sites each month, and must submit a list of 30 new sites to Speedlings each month. The total cost (undisclosed by Adam Ginsberg) to acquire 335 domain credits is at least $6725 ( = $600 x 11 + $25 x 5).
Adam Ginsberg tricked people to sign up, by giving a deceptive presentation. The Speedlings software actually will not work as promoted, because the income (revenue) may never come.
The contract that Adam asked people to sign did not contain any verbal guarantee for "double your money" back.
From my experience with Speedlings, after almost 1 month and with 25 sites, my total revenue as reported by Speedlings was $0.68. Several other users have similar experience, as reported by the "Marketplace" area within Speedlings:
site: www.Climbing-Rock-W***.com after 150 days generated $0.00
site: www.BuyingMin****.com after 273 days generated $2.00
site www.FreeLandsc*****.Net after 233 days generated $0.00
site www.PersonalInjuryAttorn******.com after 225 days generated $1.00
People did pay extremely high cost for Speedlings, with the expectation that they shall obtain the "implied performance" by Speedlings, i.e. to obtain the revenue. Speedlings can generate web sites; however, simply generating new web sites is not satisfactory, because people can obtain (and own) pc-based software packages to create web pages/web sites (e.g. Dreamweaver, Frontpage at a much lower cost, or Kompozer for no cost).
Furthermore, Adam withheld actual cost of buying new domains (i.e. no full disclosure). To obtain a new domain for $15 each, users have to buy a bundle of 1000 new domains ("domain credits") for $1500. Otherwise, the cost for a single new domain (or renewal) is $25. For comparison, many other sites offer a new domain for under $10.
Now, let's consider the whole contract that Adam asked people to sign. He actually did not go over the details of the contract. A contract is considered valid (and enforceable) when there is mutual agreement "meeting of the minds" regarding the details of the contract. The Speedlings agreement/contract might not be considered valid or enforceable, because there was no "meeting of the minds" in the first place. Adam Ginsberg's intention was to mislead, and deceive uninformed people to sign up, and to unjustly enrich himself.
I signed up to pay for the "Gold Unlimited package," with the initial payment of $2297, to be followed by two additional payments of same amount. After nearly a month using Speedlings, I realized that Speedlings is a total failure (based on my experience, and based on additional info. from the Marketplace within Speedlings). My total "revenue" from all sites was under $1.00. At least two other people have written disappointing results with Speedlings, even though the terms of the contract/agreement would not allow people to publicly discuss their earnings, or their experience with the company!
My discretionary income is only approx. $250 a month; therefore, I could not inject extra $600 per month to buy the "domain credits" and to create 30 new sites each month as I planned. I currently pay a fraction of the initial payment each month, which I made on my credit card.
When I contacted Seedlings rep on Aug 6, 2010 to cancel my contract/agreement with Speedlings (and again on the following days), the answer was that I had to pay the whole purchase price, because I did not cancel within the 3 days window after I signed the agreement. However, I would like to emphasize that the agreement/contract allows for a way out beyond the first 3 days, per section 10b(i)&(ii). Also, considering the fact that I did not write that agreement, the contract/agreement must be interpreted in favor of me (the person who did not write it). Again, section 10b contains no condition regarding the first 3 days period, or full payment requirement.
Finally, because Speedings did not deliver the results as shown in the demonstration on July 9, 2010 (misrepresented revenue potential), the software tool (product) did not meet the "implied performance" of this product. I believe that all Speedlings users should be allowed to get their money back (prorated or full refund), with no string attached (e.g. wait after one year, and pay additional $6725 to Adam/Speedlings to create more sites as his verbal conditions). This is the "specific performance" I am asking from Adam Ginsberg and Speedlings.
To prove that I am actually an user of Speedlings, and have paid outrageous fee to "access" and "use" this product, I have included below some actual email exchanges between me and Speedlings' rep., with some texts omitted, partly due to privacy.
An unfortunate user of Speedlings from Calif., USA.
------------------------------------------------------ Some email transcripts below --------------------------------
Tue, August 10, 2010 6:46:34 PM
Re: [#542***] Urgen request- cancel Speedlings membership, to be effective immediately
************ <************ @yahoo.com> [Chat now]
To: ************ <************ @adamginsberg.com>
Cc: ************ <************ @yahoo.com>
Speedlings _ offers (market place, p3).pdf (20KB)
Thanks for your assistance.
Your terms in section 10b allows for cancel after 3 days. Your terms did not specify that full payment is required to cancel. I made the initial payment already. I want to end the contract/membership per section 10b. .
Regarding your other comments. I notice that Speedlings has a new feature called marketplace, where people offered to sell domains. Also, from that marketplace, I observed that several domains had revenue of $0 or $1, even though these sites have existed for 100-200 days (see file attached as proof). (In his training, Adam Ginsberg stated that each site should generate at least $1.00 per day; how misleading he was). Certainly you (or others) can sell the domains that I "leased" (not owned) in that marketplace.
My calculations for the cost incurred:
1/ Cost for domains. The cost for one domain is about $11.44 ~ 12/year (please verify here: http://www.godad***.com/domains/search.aspx?ci=8969).
So, the cost for 25 domains is $12 x 25= 300. For 30 domains: $12 x30 = 360.
2/ Cost for hosting 25 sites. $8 per month x 25= $200 for the first month. (please verify price of $7.95/site here: http://www.hostga****.com/shared.shtml). You can help to delete all my 25 sites contents immediately, to avoid future cost.
3/ Cost for the software. The cost to "access" (but not own) Speedlings is set artificially high, not at fair market value. There are several offers that I found at $197 (software package to own). Two examples are: http://affiliate-niche-site-pro*******.com/
and another: http://www.xsite****.com/
Again, Speedlings did not allow us to own this software at all. And the numbers reported in "visits" and "revenues" may not be reliable (I believe that they were manipulated during the workshop). Did you (Speedlings) do the validation on the software, to ensure that it will work as intended, and all the outputs (e.g. revenues) are correct?
In summary, your net = $2297 - (300 + 200 + 197) = $1600. My net is -$1600.
Tue, August 10, 2010 9:30:10 AM
Re: [#542***] Urgen request- cancel Speedlings membership, to be effective immediately
As******** G******** <********@adamginsberg.com>
The Terms and Conditions state that each site built will cost a $200 fee if a cancellation is allowed. 25 sites x $200 = $5000. You have only paid $2297.
10. Cancellation / termination
a. If you decide to cancel your membership or leave Speedlings:
i. within 3 days from the date of payment of your first installment .
b. You will not receive any refunds on any deposit or Speedlings Fees you have paid if you: (i) simply change your mind; or (ii) feel you have made a wrong decision; or (iii) you dont believe youre generating the traffic or income you expect.
Fri, August 6, 2010 1:10:02 PM
[#542***] Department Transfer
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Adam Ginsberg International
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