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Complaint Review: Administrators Of Www.bullshido.net

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  • Submitted: Mon, February 23, 2009
  • Updated: Mon, May 03, 2010

  • Reported By:Sandbach Other
Administrators Of Www.bullshido.net
Www.bullshido.net Nationwide U.S.A.

Www.bullshido.net Administrators Of Www.bullshido.net Defamation, misleading, undermining and insulting USA USA

*General Comment: Being a further response to purely nonsensical ramblings of a misinformed

*Consumer Comment: Contradiction on your part not mine!!!!

*General Comment: Being an account of a humble response to an incorrect assessment, along strictly logical lines.

*Consumer Comment: bullshido is what it is Bull droppings!!!

*General Comment: Being an account of a member and poster on Bullshido

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The administrators of this site reports inaccurate, misleading and defamatory commenrts and post to other schools in order to bust their own. It is not a newtral site but rather an instrument to down the competition.

Their aproach is truly apoling and devastates other schools' reputacion with impunity but with no real evidence of what they are saying.

Many of the schools they criticise are not even in the USA, and therefore they can't possibly have visited such schools.

This site should be taken down as it does not serve any other purpose by ruining other live time long hard working schools around the world

Truthsharer
Sandbach
Europe

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#1 General Comment

Being a further response to purely nonsensical ramblings of a misinformed

AUTHOR: Snake Plissken - ()

Upon further discussion, this response is warranted.

Firstly, why must you insist on emboldening all text?  It does not serve to add weight nor credence to your commentary.

Now, onto the body of your response.

"Most know I'm right! Everything you said that is done at your website isn't done at all!!!
Big Contradictory in all you said!!!
"
First, it isn't *my* website.  I am a poster and contributing member for the past 7 years.  I have actively participated in numerous investigations and authored/co-authored several articles.  I have no stake in the website, save my belief in the site's core-purpose and mission statement.

As for your statement of "MOST know I'm right" that is an unprovable logical fallacy and I anxiously await your evidential support of that statement and the claims of all my "Big Contradictions".

Next:
"1. Moderators abuse there power regardless and the owners do nothing about it!"
and
"2. Moderators disrespect and insult you if you are trying to join in on a conversation on the forum!"
Not true.

There have been several Moderators whom have had their Moderation powers taken from them for "abuse" of power. 

Please define YOUR terms of "abuse of power" so the general reading public can understand your framework.

Again, you likely either made off-topic postings with little to no content, in a heavily moderated forum such as  "The Martial Arts BS Fraud Invesitigation" aka "MABS" subforum,  not germane to the topic at hand.
or You were posting in one of the lesser-Moderated subforums.

Either way, the onus is upon YOU the poster to read the forum rules "stickies".  Your failure to familiarize yourself with the rules in the forums is no person's responsibility or fault but your own.

Next:
"3. Its exactly what it is a fight site for petty arguments that go on and the moderators are the ones that start and continue the
fighting!
"

No.

It is a site which began to out frauds in Martial Arts.  MABS posts which detract from the pertinant discussion are removed to YMAS or Trollshido for free-form discussion....which sometimes include insults. 

Again, your duplicity betrays you.  Which do you want:  strict moderation or free-form fighting?  You claim, yet decry, both.  One cannot eat their cake, yet have it too.  Either it is too heavily moderated nor not moderated enough.

You, sir, are a hypocrite.  At least I presume you are a sir, madam.  If not, all apologies.

Continuing:
"4. I really wish snake you would practice what you preach and actually follow the rules n regulations that you posted trying to prove its not true when most know I'm right in the first place!!!"

This sentence is just a factual and logical mess.  I will attempt, with my superior intellect, to hack through and make sense of that which is nonsensical.

Prove I do not practice what I preach.  I have followed all the rules on both this site, the Ripoff Report, as well as on Bullshido.  If you are to make a claim, the burden of proof is on YOU, prove it.  I am responding here, using my screenname on Bullshido.  Why do you not provide you Bullshido username we may all witness this terrible abuse of Moderation Powers on that site. Your ignorance of the rules on the site are likely provable based on your posting history, this will prove either you or I correct...and I am quite sure it will be me proved right.

Finishing:
"5. F.Y.I. If I had a site and ran it that way I to can just post the rules n regulations and manipulate the situation and twist
everything inside out to make myself look like I'm the one that is right and the other person is wrong!!!"
Again, It Isn't My Site.

However, the rules are those of the website OWNER.  Just like every other website every created. Just like this website.  Just like Amazon.  Or Google.

The rules are formed and structured based on the mission statement of the website owner.
 
In the case of Bullshido, it would be Neal "Phrost" Fletcher. 

Who wanted a site to discuss fraudulent practices in Martial Arts, after having troubles discussing them on the old ADCC.

This is stickie, detailing the rules of MABS, which is identified with the following:
The official forum for Bullshido. SERIOUS
discussion on McDojos, questionable Martial Artists, and Martial Arts
History only. Help us fight fraud in the Martial Arts by contributing
well-thought-out threads and ideas on the subject.

This is our showcase forum and raison d'tre; please keep to the subject at hand and take the squabbling to YMAS or Trollshido. Strongly moderated for On-Topic posting.
http://www.bullshido.net/forums/showthread.php?t=57547

Your previous posting decried people being "punks" and "mean" and "fighting" and posting "insults".
The heading of YMAS is identified by this:
The Martial Arts General Discussion and Comedy forum.
Take the gloves off and grammatically beat on each other and dead
horses such as Style vs. Style, Chi, Ashida Kim, George Dillman, and
related, retarded discussions. Lightly moderated, for blatantly obvious idiocy and NSFW or illegal content.

I point out the rules, now you change your stance to "rules being manipulated". 

The general assumption is going to be you didn't read how the forums are identified, came in with an ignorant posting or an unsupported/unsubstantiated comment (much like you have been making on this website) and were called-out on it.

The internet does not nor will not bend to your whim and fancy.

Lastly, this:
You just proved my point in your last rebuttal!!!  ( LOL)
No, I didn't.

What I DID do was humiliate you by pointing out your flawed thoughts and lack of logic.  As I continue to do with this further rebuttal.  Am I being "mean"?  Am I trying to "make you mad" or "insult"?  Am I a "punk"? Or a "warrior troll"??

Your failure to accept responsibility for the words likely posted on another website is blatantly obvious.  I presume you aren't a child, but a man.  A man whom, again I presume, trains in some manner of martial arts, otherwise why would he ever venture to Bullshido.

You attempts to transfer the blame of your presumed poor posting onto the Moderator's failure to protect you is laughable.  That isn't their job and they don't work for you.  Either strong-up your logic and posting skills or stick to the shallow waters as the Moderators aren't there to protect you


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#2 Consumer Comment

Contradiction on your part not mine!!!!

AUTHOR: Ted - ()

Most know I'm right! Everything you said that is done at your website isn't done at all!!!

Big Contradictory in all you said!!!

Here are the Facts:

1. Moderators abuse there power regardless and the owners do nothing about it!

2. Moderators disrespect and insult you if you are trying to join in on a conversation on the forum!

3. Its exactly what it is a fight site for petty arguments that go on and the moderators are the ones that start and continue the fighting!

4. I really wish snake you would practice what you preach and actually follow the rules n regulations that you posted trying to prove its not true when most know I'm right in the first place!!!

5. F.Y.I. If I had a site and ran it that way I to can just post the rules n regulations and manipulate the situation and twist everything inside out to make myself look like I'm the one that is right and the other person is wrong!!!

You just proved my point in your last rebuttal!!!  ( LOL)

 
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#3 General Comment

Being an account of a humble response to an incorrect assessment, along strictly logical lines.

AUTHOR: Snake Plissken - ()

Allow me to respond to your baseless accusations, line-by-line.
First, you state:
"That site is nothing more than a fight forum just like fight rooms they have in chat rooms!!!"
No.
There are numerous sub-forums of the website as a whole.  Each sub-forum is moderately differently.  While I concede the sub-forums "Your Martial Art Sucks", aka "YMAS" has more of a laissez-faire approach, sub-forums such as the " sub-forums Physical Training, Diet and Health", "Advanced Striking Discussion", "BJJ and Advanced Grappling" and "The Armory" are all strongly moderated for content.

Secondly, you state:

"All it truly is just a bunch of punks throwing insults at you and around the forums trying to make you mad or upset you!"
If this is considered a discernible worry, perhaps you shouldn't own a computer.  Or even go outside.  Something is going to get you...a low-flying airplane, an ebola monkey, improperly cooked eggs, a low-quality mall Easter Bunny....SOMETHING.

Really.  Your SECOND line of a "Ripoff Report" comment involves "Warrior Punks throwing insults" and "trying to make you mad or upset you".

Pity that.

Thirdly, you state:

"If you post any threads they insult you or abuse there moderator power and block you or block you all together or you loose bull
dropping tokens that are meaningless to me any how!
"

The burden of posting falls upon the individual poster.  You, the poster,  are responsible for ensuring the content is apropos for the sub-forum.  If your content is not appropriate for the thread, then yes, you will face moderation.

 Also one CANNOT state the "site is nothing more than a fight forum" then decry strict moderation.  This is complete absence of logic and you merely serve to weaken your argument.

Next, you state:
"They are just warrior trolls that sit behind the computer and think they are grandmasters of the art they study and they are just a bunch of amateur martial artist!"

Within the context of the site, the ability to display verifiable proof of legitimacy is an important feature.
Staff and Moderators posses the ability to have scans of verified certificates and gradings, as well as video proof of fight records.

This allows members to be tagged as "pro" or "amateur" fighters, as well as high-gradings of certain martial arts styles, such as Judo, Kyokushin Karate and Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu.

If you doubt the credentials of a poster, you merely need to ask, but be expected to have to provide your own, verifiable, credentials, as well.

Finally, you state:
"I wouldn't worry about that site the ones that are low lives will love it and the ones that have good standards of Character will
just leave the site and not support it!
"

But you DO worry, otherwise you would not have written this posting to this website. 

As for the "good standards of Character"....by whose measure?  Yours?  You have already harmed and weakened your credibility of character by contradicting yourself within 4 lines.  The website has been around about a dozen years and has served as an invaluable point of gathering and compiling information.
Perhaps if you were willing to put-in the work, you, too, could be a valuable member of that community, as opposed to whinging on about others being "mean" and pointing out your inability to read forum "Stickies" and
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#4 Consumer Comment

bullshido is what it is Bull droppings!!!

AUTHOR: Ted - ()

That site is nothing more than a fight forum just like fight rooms they have in chat rooms!!!

All it truly is just a bunch of punks throwing insults at you and around the forums trying to make you mad or upset you!

If you post any threads they insult you or abuse there moderator power and block you or block you all together or you loose bull dropping tokens that are meaningless to me any how!

They are just warrior trolls that sit behind the computer and think they are grandmasters of the art they study and they are just a bunch of amateur martial artist!

I wouldn't worry about that site the ones that are low lives will love it and the ones that have good standards of Character will just leave the site and not support it!

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#5 General Comment

Being an account of a member and poster on Bullshido

AUTHOR: Snake Plissken - (USA)

As a member and poster on the Bullshido website, I make this comment not as Staff or a Moderator on the website.

www.Bullshido.net consists of user-generated content, much like the www.ripoffreport.com website, affording members of the site the ability to report their own experiences within the world of martial arts. Interaction among the members facilitates the sharing of information and experiences for purposes of comparison, again much like the www.ripoffreport.com website.

www.Bullshido.net is an information gathering and investigatory site which generates content to drive a secondary site, www.Bullshido.org. www.Bullshido.org is termed "The Martial Arts Encyclopedia," where completed investigations are formed into articles which provide overviews of investigations and their findings (including links to any evidence gathered). This format isolates the results of investigations from the proceedings of investigations, thereby providing information and resources to consumers as concisely and professionally as possible.

In addition to member-authored investigation summaries, www.Bullshido.org also features articles about different styles of martial arts. These articles provide invaluable information regarding the often confusing classifications and terminology used within the world of martial arts, allowing martial arts consumers (who are often relatively uninformed) to understand key concepts before visiting a school or gym.

The www.Bullshido.net and www.Bullshido.org websites contain no official statement of worth or value, nor do administrators make defaming or inflammatory comments about schools. Rather, these sites provide a channel of communication enabling current and former students to voice their individual experiences, both within the United States and internationally.

Members of www.Bullshido.net have been instrumental in countless beginners' decision making processes by providing sound testimonials, allowing said beginners to gauge the suitability of schools or gyms under consideration.  Members of www.Bullshido.net have also assisted in helping newer members determine worth or relative worth in the costs associated with training in martial arts, allowing for sharing of monthly gym fees and the potential dangers of signing long-term contracts.
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