• Report: #59974

Complaint Review: Allied Interstate For Proactiv Solution Skin Care

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  • Submitted: Sun, June 08, 2003
  • Updated: Wed, August 11, 2004

  • Reported By:Nicholasville Kentucky
Allied Interstate For Proactiv Solution Skin Care
3070 Lawson Blvd, PO Box 9017 Oceanside, New York U.S.A.

Allied Interstate For Proactiv Solution Skin Care ripoff Harassment about bill that has been paid, and for product not received. Oceanside New York

*Consumer Comment: I was ripped off too

*Consumer Comment: I was ripped off too

*Consumer Comment: I was ripped off too

*Consumer Comment: I was ripped off too

*Consumer Comment: Legal advice should come only from an attorney

*Consumer Comment: When the Product is Good, but the Company Stinks

*Consumer Comment: The Costomer Is Sometimes Right

*UPDATE Employee: Oh My Lucky Stars

*Consumer Suggestion: do not listen to these Alled Interstate scum suckers

*Consumer Comment: George Represents the Typical Attitude of Companies Like Allied Interstate ..rude, ignorant and devoid of the necessary writing skills

*UPDATE Employee: Ignorance is often "noticed"

*Author of original report: Comments to George

*Consumer Suggestion: Try to understand....

*UPDATE Employee: You my dear are in the dark

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June 7, 2003

Allied Interstate
Special Services Division
P. O. Box 9017
Oceanside, NY 11572

Re: Payment of Proactiv Solution Skin Care
Dear Fools,

In regard to the payment that you are demanding, and that I have written to you about on two occasions, even threatening to get a lawyer and sue your butts for harassment, you still are in the dark.

The company you represent has duped you, they received payment for the product that I never received. I sent a check to them in Jan 2003, and is enclosed. They cashed the check and obviously never intended to inform you. I mailed a copy of this check to them, and they did not close out their demand for payment with you. That is why you are fools.

If you do not cease and desist from harassing me, I will set a lawyer on to you for payment of pain and suffering charges in the amount of one million dollars. The evidence of your foolishness is enclosed. Now bother the company that employed you and demand from them your payment. They got their payment.

I never got the product they implied that they sent. Since it was not sent through the mail with required signatures, I cannot prove that someone didn't get it out of my mail box or prove that it was not delivered. But I do know that I will damn their business to all I meet for their unprofessional and illegal practices. As will I yours if you do not leave me alone.

Completely angry and ready to sue,
Enclosure: Copy of Ck #3216 dated Jan 11, 2003

Dolores
Nicholasville, Kentucky
U.S.A.

This report was posted on Ripoff Report on 06/08/2003 08:37 AM and is a permanent record located here: http://www.ripoffreport.com/r/Allied-Interstate-For-Proactiv-Solution-Skin-Care/Oceanside-New-York-11572-9017/Allied-Interstate-For-Proactiv-Solution-Skin-Care-ripoff-Harassment-about-bill-that-has-be-59974. The posting time indicated is Arizona local time. Arizona does not observe daylight savings so the post time may be Mountain or Pacific depending on the time of year.

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#1 Consumer Comment

I was ripped off too

AUTHOR: Beth - (U.S.A.)

I had two bills with Allied interstate through columbia house and I paid them, they said they would send me order forms for my cd's and dvd's and I never heard from them again after they recieved my payment and there phone number does not work anymore.
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#2 Consumer Comment

I was ripped off too

AUTHOR: Beth - (U.S.A.)

I had two bills with Allied interstate through columbia house and I paid them, they said they would send me order forms for my cd's and dvd's and I never heard from them again after they recieved my payment and there phone number does not work anymore.
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#3 Consumer Comment

I was ripped off too

AUTHOR: Beth - (U.S.A.)

I had two bills with Allied interstate through columbia house and I paid them, they said they would send me order forms for my cd's and dvd's and I never heard from them again after they recieved my payment and there phone number does not work anymore.
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#4 Consumer Comment

I was ripped off too

AUTHOR: Beth - (U.S.A.)

I had two bills with Allied interstate through columbia house and I paid them, they said they would send me order forms for my cd's and dvd's and I never heard from them again after they recieved my payment and there phone number does not work anymore.
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#5 Consumer Comment

Legal advice should come only from an attorney

AUTHOR: Sylvia - (U.S.A.)

Dolores, just for your own benefit, it's not a good idea to rely on legal advice from someone who is not a lawyer and, therefore, not qualified or legally permitted to dispense such advice. If you feel it's in your best interest to consult an attorney, you have every right to do so. Don't let anyone bully or intimidate you into giving up your rights, no matter what. Good luck.
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#6 Consumer Comment

When the Product is Good, but the Company Stinks

AUTHOR: Dolores - (U.S.A.)

Toni, I am writing to people like you, who would like to try products sent through the mail. Sometimes they are very good products. But when the company sends them at their desired times and then does not keep up with the billing, it becomes a problem. That is what happened to me.

I kept track of how many product shipments I received, yet they were over billing, and refused to send any more product until I paid an extra payment. I quit getting the product, not because it was no good, but because I do not think anyone should have to pay twice for the product that they received.

The company still owes me for one shipment that I did not receive and did pay for. And that is one reason I will never buy through the mail again, especially with renewable products like Proactiv Solution.

Be aware that companies that do this have no concern that you have paid them already, as they obviously know that they can hoodwink customers who do not pay attention to their bills and the product that they receive. They no doubt
gain "thousands of dollars" a year in payments for product that they never send out.
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#7 Consumer Comment

The Costomer Is Sometimes Right

AUTHOR: Toni - (U.S.A.)

Dear Sirs,

I just read about the lady that sent in her proof of payment and still did not get her product. I wonder, do you think that it is good policy to write a customer back with the kind of response implying that she is dishonest, stupid,
and that she don't deserve to be treated with any amount of,(maybe she was telling the truth)
After all she sent you the cancelled check.

If this person George is representive of your company you had better teach him better skills
at dealing with people. I still can't belive that "Pack up your trailer" bit. Just who does
he think he is? I am interested in your product,
however I am afraid that I might have problems
and George will Handle it. Ouch!

Thankyou,
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#8 UPDATE Employee

Oh My Lucky Stars

AUTHOR: George - (U.S.A.)

To the first rebuttal... IF grammar is all you have to correct me on, then you have lost your argument. While it may be true in your case you were the victim of our client i must once again point out it is bad buisness to believe a debtor over our client. It is GOOD buisness to believe the client that keeps you in buisness.

This works in any profession, even yours at Burger King. The customer is always right... The Debtor is NOT my customer.

Go ahead try and respond attack my grammar if you thin that proves your not a debtor but please read my last question and ask yourself

"Are you going to cry now?"

Rebuttal #2

Your memeory is shit my man.

#1 1991 allied interstate didnt even exist.

#2 Whatever collection agency you are refering too was not sued for 1.5 million anything. Why? Because per your cherished F.D.C.P.A. (which is nothing but a tool to help you avoid being a responsible consumer) A third party collection agency can at max be sued (in a class action suit) for 2% of the co.s net worth or $500,000 whichever the "lesser". And if it is not a class action suit but a single plaintiff, the max allowed is $1,000 which would mean to get to the 1.5 million mark you stated, would be 15,000 violations to one dead beat debtor. If you doubt what i say look up the F.D.C.P.A
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#9 Consumer Suggestion

do not listen to these Alled Interstate scum suckers

AUTHOR: Kim - (U.S.A.)

do not listen to these Alled Interstate scum suckers, go to edcombs.com. you will find they are very interested in anyone who has had any sort of business with these people. And yes George, your company had been sued for violation of the Fair Debt Collection Act before. If I remeber correctly ( and excuse me I am trying to recall this from memory, so I may be a little off) it was for 1.5 million. oops and Allied Interstate lost. In 1991 you lost your right to "collect" in NC due to your collection pratices. Yes, you are now allowed to collect in NC now but for how long?
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#10 Consumer Comment

George Represents the Typical Attitude of Companies Like Allied Interstate ..rude, ignorant and devoid of the necessary writing skills

AUTHOR: LaTonya - (U.S.A.)

While George's comments were rude, ignorant and devoid of the necessary writing skills to pass a 3rd grade English class, I pity him because he has taken great pride in 'standing up' for his employer while unknowingly brought truth to these rip-off reports that have been filed.

But as a consumer who has suffered this type of ignorance from collection agency representatives from Allied Interstate that have chewed food/gum in my ear and used grammar so horrible that I had difficulty even understanding what it was they were asking me, I see the comments expressed by George show that there is no explaining to these people that it is not fair to pursue a debt that hasn't even been verified as true and accurate. I wish that there were some way that these companies could or would filter out erroneous information to avoid claims of harassment of consumers.

I hope that in the future, more effort will be taken to make certain the debts these companies 'attempt to collect' are debts that are actually owed. Bookkeeping errors do occur, and I do know this to be true because although information is stored on computers, there are people who have to actually enter the information.

A simple message to George: proof read your message before submitting, it gives you even less credibility if you have a hard time spelling, and it leads us to believe that you have a hard time reading as well.
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#11 UPDATE Employee

Ignorance is often "noticed"

AUTHOR: George - (U.S.A.)

10 times out of 10 we are going to believe our client over someone who as a general rule does not pay their bills, if you tried to get something from above refrenced client, then you would fall into the "dead beat trailer park debtor" classifiction an dstereotype... Whether or not this is un constructive... does not mean two shits to me, this is the place where i can tell a dead beat debtor, what they really are, and not have to blow smoke up your ass and tell you i understand your problem....
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#12 Author of original report

Comments to George

AUTHOR: Dolores - (U.S.A.)

Dear George,

The comments about packing up a trailor and moving to loserville was unconstructive, but the information about what one can sue for was. I wanted to post my complaint on the internet for all to see as a way of making sure that the company could not come back again and say they didn't receive my letters or copy of my check.

Since that letter was my third and the copy of the check was acknowledged, I know that your company cannot harass me again for it has been acknowledged as being received. I had sent both the check and the letter to cease and desist at least once before, and no acknowledgement came of their receipt. Funny that being posted for all the world to see, it did finally get noticed.

I realize that I cannot get any compensation about the product not being received, but the whole point is to let the world know what kind of company Proactive Solutions is, and how they operate. They ripped me off, and used you to get something they didn't deserve. The only reason I paid the requested amount is that one cannot prove that it was/was not delivered, since they used regular mail to send their products, with no signature being required.

Once they received payment, even though they had enlisted your services, they didn't close the account, showing once again how crooked they were. And you may or may not believe in me, but it should be an obligation of yours if you work for the company to check into whether or not the company you are collecting for has received the payment. It was sent before your collection letter number one came to my home. Your company has sent letters frequently, one at least every other week, and since I had answered them asking them to quit bothering me as it had been paid, it is a question of harassment. And there are people who are willing to make a case of harassment that will become a standard for all future cases if need be. At least you informed me of what I can sue for if I am bothered again by your company. Thank you for that info. And go ahead and laugh your butt off, but I have learned that when one laughs at another, they usually get their comupance.

Sincerely,
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#13 Consumer Suggestion

Try to understand....

AUTHOR: D - (U.S.A.)

Look, I know you feel that you were wronged by allied interstate but you have to understand....

1. You are a debtor & as far as we are concerned you are absolutely capable of being dishonest about the debt.

2. If you want "them" to stop calling you about it, provide valid proof of payment.

example : full frontal copy of the check and copy the back of the check showing that Allied Interstate or Proactive endorsed it...That would prove that you are telling the truth.
**YOU CAN GET A COPY OF THE CHECK FROM YOUR BANK**

- If you cant provide that information which is simple and easy to access, then you are 100% responsible for FULL AND FINAL RESTITUTION OF THE DEBT....
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#14 UPDATE Employee

You my dear are in the dark

AUTHOR: George - (U.S.A.)

You have a problem, one my company cannot be held responsible for you not getting your merchandice, hence thir party collection agency.

two... obviously we are going to believe our client before we believe you...

the only thing right you have done is maile a copy of proof of payment.

Harrassment, has not been defined in the supreme court and certainly you can not.

what you are complaining about that is allieds responsibility, is illegal collections which falls under title viii of the F.D.C.P.A. and unfortunately if such a claim is proven (fater paying a ridiclous amount to an attorney up front) the most my company per federal law can be held responsible for is paying back your attorney costs (if you hire a preicey attorney we are only responsible to pay the lowest bid in your area) and UP TO 1 thousand dollars per violation... Even if a class action lawsuit occurs we are only held responsible for up to 500 thousand dollars or 2 or 5% of the companys net worth which ever is the lesser... I gurantee we saw you threat of 1 million dollars... and laughed our asses of at your ignorance...

I bet if i were to pull your credit report, this is not the only item you have in collections... so pack up your trailer, and move your ass to loser ville where you belong...
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