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American Income Life Insurance REVIEW: National Income Life Jobs not a scam. AIL 100% commitment to customer satisfaction & Affiliate. Feel safe, confident & secure doing business with American Income Life excellent business opportunity. *UPDATE ..August 30, 2010 ..after 4 years, no unresolved disputes. American Income Life dedicated to helping associates achieve their dreams.
Rip-off Report Investigation: American Income Life / National Income Life join Rip-off Report Corporate Advocacy Business Remediation & Customer Satisfaction Program. - NOTICE: *UPDATE December 1, 2006. Rip-off Report found that All but 2 Rip-off Reports about The David Zophin Agency were posted by the same person. Including this Report below! Rip-off Report has the evidence.
*UPDATE EX-employee responds: You said she was cute
*UPDATE EX-employee responds: The Deadliest Catch
*Consumer Comment: Why didn't she look at my resume?
*UPDATE EX-employee responds: Wow, I'm so glad to see people have shed light on this company
*UPDATE EX-employee responds: United American & American Income - 2 peas in a pod!
*UPDATE EX-employee responds: Wow
*UPDATE EX-employee responds: The names have been changed to protect the innocent
*UPDATE EX-employee responds: Staight to the point !
*UPDATE EX-employee responds: Pimping is profitable!!
*Consumer Comment: How desperate employers are these?
*UPDATE EX-employee responds: Been Funny
*UPDATE EX-employee responds: Pimp results come from Pimp managment
*UPDATE Employee: American Income: Poor Reults Come From Management
*UPDATE EX-employee responds: that's the name of the game
*Consumer Suggestion: american income- whats the diff?
*UPDATE EX-employee responds: You guys are kidding...right?
*Consumer Comment: what I said was......................
*UPDATE EX-employee responds: Bad,Bad, presumptious Leroy
*Consumer Comment: Been.....what I said was
*UPDATE EX-employee responds: Ignorance is bliss
*UPDATE Employee: Dear "Been"
*UPDATE EX-employee responds: Always need a good Laugh - and this is the place
*Consumer Comment: Reasonably priced term????
*Consumer Comment: Reasonably priced term????
*Consumer Comment: Reasonably priced term????
*Consumer Comment: Reasonably priced term????
*UPDATE Employee: Dear "Been"
*UPDATE EX-employee responds: True True
*UPDATE EX-employee responds: showing your ignorance Barb (ie)
*UPDATE Employee: learn something new everyday....
*Consumer Comment: Barbara..we agree
*UPDATE Employee: Not in my State
*Consumer Comment: American Income Life's Products
*UPDATE EX-employee responds: Cool!
*UPDATE Employee: Step 1. Infiltrate Evil Organization Step 2. ..... Step 3. Profit.
*UPDATE Employee: Jay, this is so much freakin' fun
*Consumer Suggestion: MOBY IS A DICK
*UPDATE Employee: ABSOLUTELY UNBELIEVABLE!
*Consumer Comment: SCAM? Most definately!
*UPDATE EX-employee responds: Hal.. We know who you are, and the authorities are now watching you.
*UPDATE Employee: What's in a name only their names have been changed to protect the scared.
*UPDATE Employee: It's not true, I can still legally sell some kinds of insurance in NY and I do for NILICO
*UPDATE EX-employee responds: Dustin, thanks for the job offer but no thanks NILICO,AIL
*Consumer Comment: Find Another Firm deceptive, evasive, and otherwise dishonest in their recruiting practices
*UPDATE Employee: GET REAL PEOPLE. I have worked for AIL for over a year now. I have never experienced any of these things.
*Consumer Comment: OK employee Chad, tell us...
*UPDATE EX-employee responds: ethical practices?
*UPDATE Employee: Oppurtunity is never lost, it just goes to somebody else
*UPDATE EX-employee responds: AIL Retention percentage and Taxes
*Consumer Suggestion: Fortunately its not me who has to deal with it....
*UPDATE Employee: we're all biased
*Consumer Comment: Biosed
*UPDATE Employee: to darnel; I've heard all about you
*UPDATE EX-employee responds: Stay Away, the union companies have no idea that these are union benefits because THEY ARE NOT!!!
*UPDATE EX-employee responds: Stay Away, the union companies have no idea that these are union benefits because THEY ARE NOT!!!
*UPDATE EX-employee responds: Stay Away, the union companies have no idea that these are union benefits because THEY ARE NOT!!!
*UPDATE EX-employee responds: Stay Away, the union companies have no idea that these are union benefits because THEY ARE NOT!!!
*UPDATE EX-employee responds: Barbara, I was looking for your success in the Spotlight
*UPDATE EX-employee responds: Barbara, I was looking for your success in the Spotlight
*UPDATE EX-employee responds: Barbara, I was looking for your success in the Spotlight
*UPDATE EX-employee responds: Barbara, I was looking for your success in the Spotlight
*UPDATE EX-employee responds: Hey Brian, get even with those pesky telemarketers
*UPDATE Employee: brian
*Consumer Comment: Time to spread the news
*Consumer Comment: Time to spread the news
*Consumer Comment: Time to spread the news
*Consumer Comment: Time to spread the news
*UPDATE Employee: this has got to be my last entry!
*UPDATE EX-employee responds: correction on recuperation
*UPDATE EX-employee responds: Facts for Barbara
*UPDATE Employee: to darnel...and brian again
*UPDATE Employee: we all feel strongly about our sides.
*UPDATE Employee: we all feel strongly about our sides.
*UPDATE Employee: we all feel strongly about our sides.
*UPDATE Employee: we all feel strongly about our sides.
*UPDATE EX-employee responds: AIL is not the only Union Company Contrary to popular belief!
*UPDATE Employee: TO JOHN AND TIM
*Consumer Comment: Get a life, not AIL
*UPDATE Employee: Not a Scam, I have seen this company pay claims where others would have washed their hands of it.
*UPDATE EX-employee responds: Barbara, Barbara, Barbara - I depise the people that do lie. Look at companies who brainwash their employees.
*UPDATE EX-employee responds: Wake up Barbara!
*UPDATE Employee: to Tim and all the other people who have no idea what they are talking about
*Consumer Suggestion: Job Seeker, ASK if this is a SALES position
*UPDATE EX-employee responds: AIL CONNECTICUT/MASS STATE OFFICE - ZOPHIN AGENCY ..AIL IS A COMPLETE RIP-OFF... DO NOT BE LURED IN!
*UPDATE EX-employee responds: mysterious local 277 located
*UPDATE Employee: i'm really tired of this
*UPDATE EX-employee responds: Globe leads and local 277
*UPDATE Employee: response to Barbara
*UPDATE Employee: liars are everywhere, not just at AIL.
*UPDATE Employee: Local 277
*UPDATE Employee: to jason
*UPDATE EX-employee responds: In regards to Barbara from Cleveland.
*UPDATE Employee: YOU JUST DON'T HAVE WHAT IT TAKES
*Consumer Comment: AIL Just Called Me
*UPDATE Employee: Stop blaming other and accept responsibility.
*UPDATE Employee: Research with the state- not disgruntled people
*UPDATE Employee: I choose AIL because of the opportunities they had in the Des Moines area and the income potential.
*Consumer Comment: Know what you are talking about before you accuse
*Consumer Comment: Why the confusion? seems like everyone has been expecting to get a job
*UPDATE EX-employee responds: READ THIS!!!! THE HEADS UP ON AMERICAN INCOME LIFE
*Consumer Comment: Recruiting is their goal
*UPDATE Employee: No one owes anything to you
*UPDATE Employee: Give a month to quit in 2???
*UPDATE Employee: Give a month to quit in 2???
*UPDATE Employee: Give a month to quit in 2???
*Consumer Comment: Was called today for an interview! ..almost! - thanks to info on Rip-off Report
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SPECIAL UPDATE: February 12 2013: American Income Life remains committed to increased customer satisfaction and has improved their business practices over the years to better serve their customers. American Income Life is truly dedicated to making sure their customers are satisfied and that any complaints which do arise are addressed promptly and fairly.
To date, American Income Life has made good faith efforts to resolve all complaints reported on Rip-off Report. Based on our experience, the member business has proven to be among the top members of the Rip-off Report Corporate Advocacy Business Remediation and Customer Satisfaction Program as a Verified Safe Business.
Over time and since becoming a member, American Income Life has remained actively engaged and improving the way they address customer service complaints. As an active and current member of the Rip-off Report Corporate Advocacy Business Remediation and Customer Satisfaction Program we are happy to report that now more than ever American Income Life remains committed to improving customer satisfaction.
Remember, no company or individual can ever satisfy 100% of the people 100% of the time. There are no products or services that will always be perfect for everyone and even the best companies will receive complaints from time to time. However, by participating in the Corporate Advocacy Program, the member business has made a commitment to working with its customers to resolve complaints quickly and fairly whenever possible.
Please keep in mind that as a consumer you have some responsibilities as well. Success has many definitions that based on your past experiences, current situation and your perceived expectations. Success with any product or service is always based on the proper application and understanding. The fastest car will not run if you never turn the engine on. Look at how you used the product or service that was provided in relation with the instructions that you received. The Corporate Advocacy Business Remediation and Customer Satisfaction Program will help you get your voice heard but please be prepared with documentation and fair representation of your concern, also have an idea of how the company can fix your concern. Can they offer additional services, extend warranties, offer a fair refund or just get you talking with someone that can help. ..let them know and let us know!
*Any consumer not receiving satisfaction from a member of the Corporate Advocacy Program should email us at editor@ripoffreport.com
Ripoff Report Verified .. part of Ripoff Report Corporate Advocacy Business Remediation & Customer Satisfaction Program.A program that benefits the consumer, assures them of complete satisfaction and confidence when doing business with a member business..
*UPDATE August 30, 2010 = UPDATE Ripoff Report REVIEW:
American Income Life Insurance has been a member of Rip-off Report Corporate Advocacy Program for over 4 years now.
They are listed at the top of the major search engines listed on Rip-off Report. To date, Rip-off Report received 3 complaints. Each incident was a misunderstanding and resolved to the complete satisfaction of the agent. Weve also received countless positive comments thanking Rip-off Report because of their own success after reading Rip-off Report Investigation and then getting involved with American Income Life as an agent.. Weve also received countless positive comments from customers who have read the review about AIL.
American Income Life / National Income Life Insurance Company gets a POSITIVE RATING from Rip-off Report and is fulfilling its commitment to resolve all legitimate complaints and address representative issues. Rip-off Report has investigated the company for many months after they contacted us to resolve any posted issues and misunderstandings. With over 2500 representatives and millions of clients, American Income Life / National Income Life is bound to be the subject of a certain number of complaints about improper agent conduct, as well as product and administrative complaints.
Ripoff Report's investigation found such complaints, but importantly also found that American Income Life / National Income Life is committed to resolving such complaints quickly and is doing everything possible to satisfy its clients and representatives alike. The company also takes appropriate action against any of its representatives who are found to have conducted themselves improperly or unethically. We believe that the number of complaints against this company, whether through the Internet or other channels, is small when put into the context of its enormous size. Most large companies would never commit themselves like American Income Life / National Income Life has to Rip-off Report's Corporate Advocacy Business Remediation & Customer Satisfaction Program.
Read our investigative Report and American Income Life / National Income Lifes commitment to 100% consumer satisfaction.
American Income Life / National Income Life provides products and services through independent representatives, and has been providing benefits to families for over 50 years. AIL is rated A+ Superior by A.M. Best Company, its second highest rating, for overall financial strength (as of 6/07). American Income Life / National Income Life www.ailife.com and also www.WorkAtAIL.com provides life insurance and supplemental benefits to members of labor unions, credit unions, associations, as well as private clients in all 50 states, the District of Columbia, Canada, and New Zealand.
See why you should feel secure and confident when doing business with American Income Life / National Income Life Read about Rip-off Report Corporate Advocacy Business Remediation & Customer Satisfaction Program,..A program that benefits the consumer, assures them of complete satisfaction and confidence when doing business with a member business. this program works.
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NOTICE: *UPDATE December 1, 2006. Rip-off Report recently discovered that all but 2 Rip-off Reports about The David Zophin Agency of American Income Life were posted by the same person. A competitor no doubt. Rip-off Report has the evidence that shows the same person filed every one of the Reports. Ripoff Report will go after anyone found posting Reports like this. This type of behavior will not be tolerated. Either way, The David Zophin Agency still stands by their comitments made to Rip-off Report. Just like people can file ridiculous and frivolous lawsuits every day, we do realize consumers might try and take advantage using the Internet / Rip-off Report to do the same thing. THE REPORT BELOW IS BOGUS!
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Finding a job right out of college can be a frustrating venture. You don't hear back from many companies and when you do, the pay is embarrassing for both parties. When a large company offers you, "$45,000 easily your first year," you take notice. It may be naive, but sometimes too good to pass up.
Well, I did that. I was recruited by American Income Life Insurance. They made so many promises. They warned me, the training was unpaid, 30 days, and I had to commute 104 miles, each way, for the duration. I agreed. I did this based on the fact that when the woman who hired me asked, "What do you expect to make a year in five years?" I answered "$45,000." She laughed and told me "Our worst agents make that."
I have copies of my pay checks. I did not make any where near $800 a week. I did what they wanted me to, what they said I had to do, and my commission based salary was at times $50 or $60 dollars for an 80 hour work week.
The driving killed my car. The company did not even contact me to discuss my situation. They simply figured no car, she is done. Why would they do that? Go through all the trouble of recruiting me and not care when I was in a terrible situation?
My overflow account. Anyone who has sold insurance knows about this. My supervisors, the entire PYRAMID, gets a piece of if. I will not see any. I worked for this company for over two months, not including training, and made less than $1,600, before taxes. Yes, 80 hour work weeks. I should have, been making that in two weeks.
I paid to travel to this place for a month. I paid for my gas, food and at times, when I had to train in the field, 200 miles from my house, lodging. I had to purchase clothes that I will never wear again, a briefcase (how ironic it's called a briefcase) and office supplies. They didn't pay for anything. I drained my account based on a promise, I would be making tons of money. All I had to do is follow their method.
I followed their method.
I did what they said.
I was set back at least $3000 for my trouble.
I am a college educated woman with four years of active duty in the military. I know I can't get my money back. All I can do, is this, warn people: DON'T WORK FOR AMERICAN INCOME LIFE. THEY DON'T CARE IF YOU DO OR DON'T. This company will use you for all they can get out of you. They will waste your time and money.
Please head my warning. I beg of you. I don't want to see good people make the same mistake I did. They will say whatever it takes to get you in, and you will have a good week early on. After that, you are done as far as they are concerned.
I also signed a contract and will not be surprised if I get sued. I don't care. I would rather go to jail then see others make the same mistake I did. I really am a fool.
Denisse
Wilkes-Barre, Pennsylvania
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You said she was cute
AUTHOR: Been - (U.S.A.)
SUBMITTED: Sunday, December 03, 2006
POSTED: Saturday, May 27, 2006
Jim,you really ought to go to the orientation. Enjoy some coffee while passing out copies of what you have read in here. You should also take along copies of the positive rebuttals also, although most of them are from someone who is climbing the managment chain and is in full belief mode.
They haven't
#1 lost their savings
#2 lost their house
#3 lost their marriage
#4 lost their dignity
Is everyone who works for companies such as these in these situations? Hardly. There are those that conduct themselves with honesty and candor while making very good money.
But beware of a recruiting machine for there are reasons that a company operates that way. There is a reason that there are so many blogs posted in here. Most tell the same story.
You can make money catching crab in Alaska or riding bulls in Wyoming - if you are good at it. You will be hurting if you are not.
Sign me been there-done that and may quite possible still be doing it.
They haven't
#1 lost their savings
#2 lost their house
#3 lost their marriage
#4 lost their dignity
Is everyone who works for companies such as these in these situations? Hardly. There are those that conduct themselves with honesty and candor while making very good money.
But beware of a recruiting machine for there are reasons that a company operates that way. There is a reason that there are so many blogs posted in here. Most tell the same story.
You can make money catching crab in Alaska or riding bulls in Wyoming - if you are good at it. You will be hurting if you are not.
Sign me been there-done that and may quite possible still be doing it.
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What's this? #2 UPDATE EX-employee responds
The Deadliest Catch
AUTHOR: Been - (U.S.A.)
SUBMITTED: Sunday, December 03, 2006
POSTED: Friday, May 26, 2006
What time of year do they go fishing for crab? It has to be easier and more lucrative than what you have been through. Good luck to you!
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What's this? #3 Consumer Comment
Why didn't she look at my resume?
AUTHOR: Jim - (U.S.A.)
SUBMITTED: Sunday, December 03, 2006
POSTED: Friday, May 26, 2006
I interviewed with AIL this morning. Met with a really cute, young, blonde manager who formerly worked at the gap. She wanted me to be a manager too.
It felt like we knew something other people would like to know.Once she showed me their clever system of generating and executing the leads it seemed like a no brainer. I'm due back Tuesday for orientation.
But alas,having read these posts I can not go forward with this slimeball company.
Honesty prevails again.
It felt like we knew something other people would like to know.Once she showed me their clever system of generating and executing the leads it seemed like a no brainer. I'm due back Tuesday for orientation.
But alas,having read these posts I can not go forward with this slimeball company.
Honesty prevails again.
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What's this? #4 UPDATE EX-employee responds
Wow, I'm so glad to see people have shed light on this company
AUTHOR: Edith - (U.S.A.)
SUBMITTED: Sunday, December 03, 2006
POSTED: Thursday, May 25, 2006
AIL! Where to start? Well I too am embarrased to say I gave them an honest shot. First, I was called and offered an interview based off of my resume on monster.com as well. It was not strange as I worked for a broker/dealer and was actually looking for an insurance position. I bought their promises no questions asked but was soon questioning their motives early into my time there. I don't even know if I could attempt to cover all of the crap this company dealt me and my co-workers who all lasted from a day to a couple of weeks to just me in 8 months. Let me say this-AIL stays in business not because they sell a unique product or because they have some sort of niche. No. They stay in business because they have some very good salesman who are excellent at mental manipulation. They get you in the door and stroke your ego. You become excited and confident and yes this is the key ingredient in making a sale, but that's if we were talking about a company with a soul. Most people are ignorant when it comes to sales. The way to sell is to make someone feel as if they can't live without a product or an idea and they are so convinced of this that you could tell them anything and they will buy. The same principle is applied when these recruiters call you and make you feel special. If they have the BS knack, you will be there for that interview. So there you are. The HR person has been trained to throw in a numerical amount so many times that before you know it you are hooked and we have already established that most of these people don't even have insurance experience! (The best suckers). If they don't have the experience then they don't think about the big savings account you need in order to survive the next 3-6 months of little to no payoff. There they are, poor little housewives or secretaries under the belief that they will be able to afford that little condo downtown because they were told that they were one of a kind. Now, the license has eaten away their income, the commute, the GAS, the two weeks of hanging out with a SGA and before you know it a BIG chunk of change is gone and the self confidence is slipping. Uh oh, no sales happen when the finances are low. People can smell desperation. Here's where AIL makes my stomach turn. They start to poke holes in the already weakened ego. "You just don't have what it takes." "You aren't trying hard enough". "You aren't cut out for this type of business". On and on, I swear these pricks pry on the detriment of self-esteem which is why so many women leave broken and bitter. They slowly make you feel so awful about yourself that you eventually leave and all the renewals stay at the company. I don't know about other offices, but mine was full of these assholes. There were about 4 who had been around for years and years and would show off their BMWs or Mercedes and tell you that you could get that too but once you started selling, the "tough love" would start and before you would be able to make your own renewals you were gone.
Yes they are deceiving in their product as well.
This is where I sum it up:
You selling Kirby vs you selling AIL products:
Kirby, old leads or cold calling-AIL, old leads or cold calling.
Kirby, the promise of a 'free gift' for a demonstration-AIL, the promise of free insurance entitled to labor members (THAT THEY ALREADY GET REGARDLESS OF WHETHER OR NOT AIL IS INVOLVED).
Kirby, 16 pages of memorized BS fitted with enough yesses and head nodding to hopefully hynotize your glazed over victom into saying yes that final time with a nod (while twitching)-AIL, ditto.
Kirby, overpriced shiny thing that you could buy somewhere else for half the price and with a lot less guilt oh but look at how economical it is and good for your health! - AIL, overpriced shiny thing that you could buy somewhere else with a lot less guilt oh but look, by us wasting your time you get to donate your food to homeless people and get some crappy benefits for your health.
Kirby, annoying salesman who pushes and pushes you unethically until you buy out of sheer desperation to get him the F&$K out of your house-AIL, annoying salesman who pushes and pushes you unethically until you buy out of sheer hatred for the man/woman only to cancel once they leave.
In conclusion-Selling AIL is virtually the same as selling Kirby with a lot more bells and whistles thrown in to confuse the masses. Money can be made, yes as with anything but you need to have a lot of your own money upfront and little to no regard for human emotion. The survivors are very good at what they do, not actually sell but con well. Too bad their product isn't enough to sustain once the butterflies and peyote wears off. It's kind of like a psychic hotline..even though the majority of us knows better, they still have their flock.
Yes they are deceiving in their product as well.
This is where I sum it up:
You selling Kirby vs you selling AIL products:
Kirby, old leads or cold calling-AIL, old leads or cold calling.
Kirby, the promise of a 'free gift' for a demonstration-AIL, the promise of free insurance entitled to labor members (THAT THEY ALREADY GET REGARDLESS OF WHETHER OR NOT AIL IS INVOLVED).
Kirby, 16 pages of memorized BS fitted with enough yesses and head nodding to hopefully hynotize your glazed over victom into saying yes that final time with a nod (while twitching)-AIL, ditto.
Kirby, overpriced shiny thing that you could buy somewhere else for half the price and with a lot less guilt oh but look at how economical it is and good for your health! - AIL, overpriced shiny thing that you could buy somewhere else with a lot less guilt oh but look, by us wasting your time you get to donate your food to homeless people and get some crappy benefits for your health.
Kirby, annoying salesman who pushes and pushes you unethically until you buy out of sheer desperation to get him the F&$K out of your house-AIL, annoying salesman who pushes and pushes you unethically until you buy out of sheer hatred for the man/woman only to cancel once they leave.
In conclusion-Selling AIL is virtually the same as selling Kirby with a lot more bells and whistles thrown in to confuse the masses. Money can be made, yes as with anything but you need to have a lot of your own money upfront and little to no regard for human emotion. The survivors are very good at what they do, not actually sell but con well. Too bad their product isn't enough to sustain once the butterflies and peyote wears off. It's kind of like a psychic hotline..even though the majority of us knows better, they still have their flock.
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United American & American Income - 2 peas in a pod!
AUTHOR: Been - (U.S.A.)
SUBMITTED: Sunday, December 03, 2006
POSTED: Sunday, April 30, 2006
Both of these companies are owned by Torchmark so it shouldn't come as a surprise that they share many things especially when it comes to recruiting.How sweet it is for these companies to hold people in a captive agent situation but pay them per a 1099 as an independent contractor. Unbelievable to me.
Then again no one is holding a gun to anyones head, at least not that we are aware of. For you AIL watchers out there, I understand the queen of the AIL blogs Barb(ie) is getting married this weekend. So let's all wish her well and continued success at AIL.
Then again no one is holding a gun to anyones head, at least not that we are aware of. For you AIL watchers out there, I understand the queen of the AIL blogs Barb(ie) is getting married this weekend. So let's all wish her well and continued success at AIL.
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What's this? #6 UPDATE EX-employee responds
Wow
AUTHOR: Thomas - (U.S.A.)
SUBMITTED: Sunday, December 03, 2006
POSTED: Saturday, April 15, 2006
I had to read this whole thread because it so closely matched my experience. I was appointed in a northwestern Ohio United American branch office. Your descriptions hit the nail on the head. I was told I was special, told to get my license and I would make buckets of money and **** gold. All I got were overused leads, a pep talk and a stern lecture when things didn't go so well. They made their money off of me though. I sold a few policies, went nearly broke, quit the company and was a victim of attempted blackmail.
You see, the manager called me after I quit and told me that I owed him $600 in chargebacks. He then said that he had a letter that stated I had misrepresented a flexguard policy as major medical and if I didn't send him a check for the full amount that he would turn me over to the Ohio Department of Insurance. He refused to fax me the letter and I had never misrepresented anything. I contacted the person that supposedly said I had misled and she gladly sent me a letter stating otherwise. I then e-mailed him asking for a copy of the letter before I submitted the check. I was hoping to get proof of his attempted blackmail for my attorney. He must have realized I was on to him because I haven't heard from him since and have not been informed of any complaints filed with the ODI.
You see, the manager called me after I quit and told me that I owed him $600 in chargebacks. He then said that he had a letter that stated I had misrepresented a flexguard policy as major medical and if I didn't send him a check for the full amount that he would turn me over to the Ohio Department of Insurance. He refused to fax me the letter and I had never misrepresented anything. I contacted the person that supposedly said I had misled and she gladly sent me a letter stating otherwise. I then e-mailed him asking for a copy of the letter before I submitted the check. I was hoping to get proof of his attempted blackmail for my attorney. He must have realized I was on to him because I haven't heard from him since and have not been informed of any complaints filed with the ODI.
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What's this? #7 UPDATE EX-employee responds
The names have been changed to protect the innocent
AUTHOR: Been - (U.S.A.)
SUBMITTED: Sunday, December 03, 2006
POSTED: Friday, April 14, 2006
Frank - I'm glad you enjoy my blogs as I have tons of fun writing them. But check this out - I have never mentioned AIL or any other company for that matter. Obviously I have knowledge of how they operate and I claim to know who Barb(ie) is. What I have said, I may still be working there or have in the past but I would be a fool to say whether I am or not currently. I have never said which agency I may have been or currently associated with. Cleveland? Toledo? Columbus? Pittsburgh? Erie? I never even mentioned Ohio! People can be vindictive and vengful - and people with money should be given a wide swath.For that I plead the fifth.
It is interesting the blogs on both sides as even you have said you enjoyed your time with AIL until the office politics got the better of you. For some it was the obvious lack of integrity in the day to day activities. For some it was the backwards progression in income as they destoyed their car. For some it was never seeing their families and when you combine that with financial problems - do I need to go on?
You can make money at AIL as you can with any insurance company. You can make money Pimping - selling drugs - committing crimes - or you can do it honestly. There are several references to "being able to look myself in the mirror" - go back from the beggining of this thread and it is a human study in progress. Fascinating to me!
Frank, I hope you enjoying the spring weather as I know the winters are long and cold where you are.See ya in here AAyyy?
It is interesting the blogs on both sides as even you have said you enjoyed your time with AIL until the office politics got the better of you. For some it was the obvious lack of integrity in the day to day activities. For some it was the backwards progression in income as they destoyed their car. For some it was never seeing their families and when you combine that with financial problems - do I need to go on?
You can make money at AIL as you can with any insurance company. You can make money Pimping - selling drugs - committing crimes - or you can do it honestly. There are several references to "being able to look myself in the mirror" - go back from the beggining of this thread and it is a human study in progress. Fascinating to me!
Frank, I hope you enjoying the spring weather as I know the winters are long and cold where you are.See ya in here AAyyy?
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What's this? #8 UPDATE EX-employee responds
Staight to the point !
AUTHOR: Frank - (Canada)
SUBMITTED: Sunday, December 03, 2006
POSTED: Thursday, April 13, 2006
Wow Been!
I have to say, I am impressed.
Your write-up is so true (using your now known satire style) that is gave me the chills!
brrrr, mean and down to the point, I could not describe the AIL experience better, honestly.
I have to say, I am impressed.
Your write-up is so true (using your now known satire style) that is gave me the chills!
brrrr, mean and down to the point, I could not describe the AIL experience better, honestly.
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What's this? #9 UPDATE EX-employee responds
Pimping is profitable!!
AUTHOR: Been - (U.S.A.)
SUBMITTED: Sunday, December 03, 2006
POSTED: Wednesday, April 12, 2006
Yes, constant recruiting is neccessary when your retention rate of agents is -5% Software developer, Gardener, Dog Catcher,Hooker are all outstanding qualifications.
Question #1 - are you breathing? - yes? ok Question #2 - can you hold a pen? - yes? great
Question #3 - do you have a consience? yes?
Uh Oh - that's not good but we know you will sell out after you get some debt under your belt.
Question #4 - do you have some savings that will sustain you until you catch on? - fantastic
You seem like our kind of person. Get your insurance license - yes, you have to pay for it silly - and report back here for weeks of unpaid training. See where the savings comes in handy?
You will then run in the field with a guy that has been here for awhile. (at least he was in the class prior to yours) Good Luck!!!
Question #1 - are you breathing? - yes? ok Question #2 - can you hold a pen? - yes? great
Question #3 - do you have a consience? yes?
Uh Oh - that's not good but we know you will sell out after you get some debt under your belt.
Question #4 - do you have some savings that will sustain you until you catch on? - fantastic
You seem like our kind of person. Get your insurance license - yes, you have to pay for it silly - and report back here for weeks of unpaid training. See where the savings comes in handy?
You will then run in the field with a guy that has been here for awhile. (at least he was in the class prior to yours) Good Luck!!!
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What's this? #10 Consumer Comment
How desperate employers are these?
AUTHOR: Rajiv - (U.S.A.)
SUBMITTED: Sunday, December 03, 2006
POSTED: Wednesday, April 12, 2006
I am a Software Developer...and it seems they contact everyone who has posted resumes on Monster or other websites...
Here's the email I received multiple times...
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I have been reviewing resumes previously posted online in order to fill positions with our company. United American Insurance, an A+ rated company, is expanding here in Northern California and I am interviewing for three types of positions - Insurance Sales, Sales Management and Voluntary Benefits manager. I would like to talk to you about these positions. First-year sales income ranges from $75K to $200K, and management opportunities can reach over $500K per year within three years. We are experiencing tremendous growth and there has never been a better time to start with United American.
Torchmark Corp., our parent company, is a Fortune 500 Company and a darling of Wall Street. Please review the sites listed below for more information on our company and the opportunities. The www.uabranch.com site has about 70 video snippets I think you'll find interesting.
I would like to meet with you as soon as possible. Please call me or my assistant Scout at (916) 725-8722 to schedule an interview time.
I look forward to meeting you.
Sincerely,
Gary Deese
Regional Recruiting Branch Manager
United American Insurance Co.
6060 Sunrise Vista Dr, Suite 2240
Citrus Heights, CA 95610
uabranch.com
torchmarkcorp.com
garyldeese@hotmail.com
To unsubscribe from future E-mails click here. Please allow 2-3 business days for the removal process of your E-mail address to be complete. United American Insurance Company * 3700 S Stonebridge Drive * McKinney TX 75070
L(3779)
Here's the email I received multiple times...
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I have been reviewing resumes previously posted online in order to fill positions with our company. United American Insurance, an A+ rated company, is expanding here in Northern California and I am interviewing for three types of positions - Insurance Sales, Sales Management and Voluntary Benefits manager. I would like to talk to you about these positions. First-year sales income ranges from $75K to $200K, and management opportunities can reach over $500K per year within three years. We are experiencing tremendous growth and there has never been a better time to start with United American.
Torchmark Corp., our parent company, is a Fortune 500 Company and a darling of Wall Street. Please review the sites listed below for more information on our company and the opportunities. The www.uabranch.com site has about 70 video snippets I think you'll find interesting.
I would like to meet with you as soon as possible. Please call me or my assistant Scout at (916) 725-8722 to schedule an interview time.
I look forward to meeting you.
Sincerely,
Gary Deese
Regional Recruiting Branch Manager
United American Insurance Co.
6060 Sunrise Vista Dr, Suite 2240
Citrus Heights, CA 95610
uabranch.com
torchmarkcorp.com
garyldeese@hotmail.com
To unsubscribe from future E-mails click here. Please allow 2-3 business days for the removal process of your E-mail address to be complete. United American Insurance Company * 3700 S Stonebridge Drive * McKinney TX 75070
L(3779)
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What's this? #11 UPDATE EX-employee responds
Been Funny
AUTHOR: Jeff - (Canada)
SUBMITTED: Sunday, December 03, 2006
POSTED: Saturday, April 08, 2006
i dont know what your going on about Been but its hilarious.
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What's this? #12 UPDATE EX-employee responds
Pimp results come from Pimp managment
AUTHOR: Been - (U.S.A.)
SUBMITTED: Sunday, December 03, 2006
POSTED: Friday, April 07, 2006
My name is Been There,Done that and I have been with the company under several organizations - Fly McPimp, Hoosier Daddy ,BakeHun letus and Tomat-Ho. I even left Hoosier Daddy to start my own harem but realized I couldn't develop the ladys quick enough plus they were skimming and backtalking (which isn't allowed!) But I was still getting some even after I left!
The reality is there are negative connotations about this business but it comes soley from your management.Pimping offers a great business opportunity for those that truly understand what it takes to be in business. I make this statement because my people get paid what I feel they are worth, not what they feel they deserve. I make some serious scratch and all the ladies all want to a part of my posse. My ride is paid for (2006 Hummer yall!) and I just put on 20" spinners - yes my minds on my money and my moneys on my mind.
I take care of my clients and my ladies because this is my business.Unfortunately not everyone is taught the right way to do this business. The right clothes to wear, the right ladies to attract. The right clients to serve. Lord help you if you prospect in the wrong neighborhood.
As far as this being a pyramid scheme the closest I got to pyramid was Pyramid Dr and South Main, one of my best corners. The difference in this business if you try to rise above your boss, well let's just say - no we better not.
Fact is I have 2 ladies that are now a part of someone elses posse and I don't gain financially from them one bit. I get tremendous pleasure from seeing those take what I have taught them and reach levels they didn't think were possible. am just glad to see them move up and on. We won't talk about the STDs. Serves the chump right.
So if you understand you are a business owner and not an amployee, you will see the results I have experienced.Yous comments will be appreciated and any correlation between my business and certain insurance companies is purely unintentional.
The reality is there are negative connotations about this business but it comes soley from your management.Pimping offers a great business opportunity for those that truly understand what it takes to be in business. I make this statement because my people get paid what I feel they are worth, not what they feel they deserve. I make some serious scratch and all the ladies all want to a part of my posse. My ride is paid for (2006 Hummer yall!) and I just put on 20" spinners - yes my minds on my money and my moneys on my mind.
I take care of my clients and my ladies because this is my business.Unfortunately not everyone is taught the right way to do this business. The right clothes to wear, the right ladies to attract. The right clients to serve. Lord help you if you prospect in the wrong neighborhood.
As far as this being a pyramid scheme the closest I got to pyramid was Pyramid Dr and South Main, one of my best corners. The difference in this business if you try to rise above your boss, well let's just say - no we better not.
Fact is I have 2 ladies that are now a part of someone elses posse and I don't gain financially from them one bit. I get tremendous pleasure from seeing those take what I have taught them and reach levels they didn't think were possible. am just glad to see them move up and on. We won't talk about the STDs. Serves the chump right.
So if you understand you are a business owner and not an amployee, you will see the results I have experienced.Yous comments will be appreciated and any correlation between my business and certain insurance companies is purely unintentional.
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American Income: Poor Reults Come From Management
AUTHOR: Timothy - (U.S.A.)
SUBMITTED: Sunday, December 03, 2006
POSTED: Wednesday, April 05, 2006
My name is Timothy Baker & I have been with the company under several organizations (SGA's: David Cohen, Rick Altig, Eric Giglione & Rick Rutt) across the US since 1997. I even left the company for 4 years to start my own brokerage only coming to realize that if I wanted to help develop people on a large scale it was not going to happen as an independent broker, so I came back to AIL, where I was still getting renewals from even after I left).
The reality is that there are negative environments around the country, but it comes SOLEY from the management. American Income offers a great business opportunity for those who understand what it truly takes to be a business owner. I make this statement because people get paid what they are worth, not what they feel they deserve. I have made over $100K a year for several years and have renewals coming in consistently, but that is because I treat this as my own business. I take care of my clients and take care of those I work with. Unfortunately not all new agents are taught this by everyone in the company and for those of you out there who have experienced a negative situation with AIL I apologize. But be honest with the situation and realize that it was the result of the management you were working under and not the company itself.
In response to the company being a "pyramid scheme", if you understand where pyramids come from, they all come from the insurance industry. The difference with an insurance company and a pyramid is that in a pyramid you can never rise above your boss, while in an insurance company you can. This is a fact as I have 2 gentlemen that I hired as rookie agents and now only 5 years later, both of them have become the SGA's in New York. I do not get ANY benefit from their growth financially, but I get tremendous pleasure in seeing those who take what I have taught them and reach levels they did not believe possible. So if you are taught the business properly and understand that you are a business owner and not an employee, you will see the results I have experienced. But if you wait for things to happen, you will end up like others on this board that simply complains because they were not truly willing to do what it takes to be successful. I look forward to any comments.
The reality is that there are negative environments around the country, but it comes SOLEY from the management. American Income offers a great business opportunity for those who understand what it truly takes to be a business owner. I make this statement because people get paid what they are worth, not what they feel they deserve. I have made over $100K a year for several years and have renewals coming in consistently, but that is because I treat this as my own business. I take care of my clients and take care of those I work with. Unfortunately not all new agents are taught this by everyone in the company and for those of you out there who have experienced a negative situation with AIL I apologize. But be honest with the situation and realize that it was the result of the management you were working under and not the company itself.
In response to the company being a "pyramid scheme", if you understand where pyramids come from, they all come from the insurance industry. The difference with an insurance company and a pyramid is that in a pyramid you can never rise above your boss, while in an insurance company you can. This is a fact as I have 2 gentlemen that I hired as rookie agents and now only 5 years later, both of them have become the SGA's in New York. I do not get ANY benefit from their growth financially, but I get tremendous pleasure in seeing those who take what I have taught them and reach levels they did not believe possible. So if you are taught the business properly and understand that you are a business owner and not an employee, you will see the results I have experienced. But if you wait for things to happen, you will end up like others on this board that simply complains because they were not truly willing to do what it takes to be successful. I look forward to any comments.
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What's this? #14 UPDATE EX-employee responds
that's the name of the game
AUTHOR: Phil - (U.S.A.)
SUBMITTED: Sunday, December 03, 2006
POSTED: Wednesday, April 05, 2006
That is because Citi group recently bought Primerica. Another words, primerica signed on as to offer Citi members insurance protection through their company. Stay away from both of them.
As far as becoming a VP in the company is concerned...that is just a title. Captive Insurance agencies like AIL, Primerica, NY life, title mean nothing except that they make you feel like you made it. But in reality all it means is that you have worked here for a year or more, you climbed a couple of notched in the pyrimid, now you want to hire the nieve to come work for you for 3 months then quit. In the meantime suck em' dry and let them go into credit card debt. Normally anyone who is above "entry" level acts like they have alot of money but they don't. But if they don't act like it, then you won't work there. They SELL you on a DREAM. You have to buy into that dream. Kinda like 2 for the money. Everything is a front.
-The insurance doctor
As far as becoming a VP in the company is concerned...that is just a title. Captive Insurance agencies like AIL, Primerica, NY life, title mean nothing except that they make you feel like you made it. But in reality all it means is that you have worked here for a year or more, you climbed a couple of notched in the pyrimid, now you want to hire the nieve to come work for you for 3 months then quit. In the meantime suck em' dry and let them go into credit card debt. Normally anyone who is above "entry" level acts like they have alot of money but they don't. But if they don't act like it, then you won't work there. They SELL you on a DREAM. You have to buy into that dream. Kinda like 2 for the money. Everything is a front.
-The insurance doctor
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What's this? #15 Consumer Suggestion
american income- whats the diff?
AUTHOR: Jay - (U.S.A.)
SUBMITTED: Sunday, December 03, 2006
POSTED: Tuesday, April 04, 2006
what are the qualifications to becoming a regional VP with crimerica? i recently ran into an old acquaintance driving a beat up chevy and wearing a $30 suit claiming he was a big shot RVP from primerica. btw, he kept referring to crimerica as "Citigroup"...
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What's this? #16 UPDATE EX-employee responds
You guys are kidding...right?
AUTHOR: Phil - (U.S.A.)
SUBMITTED: Sunday, December 03, 2006
POSTED: Tuesday, April 04, 2006
Here's the deal. AIL and Primerica are 6 in 1, half dozen in the other. They are rivals. AIL specializes in whole life, Primerica in term. Both companies are awful to work for. There are tons of other companies out there who don't even consider either of these two companies on the map. They are both pathetic money laudering companies.
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What's this? #17 Consumer Comment
what I said was......................
AUTHOR: Leroy - (U.S.A.)
SUBMITTED: Sunday, December 03, 2006
POSTED: Monday, April 03, 2006
again....let the consumer decide if primerica has reasonable rates.
I stated before, AIL has rates even worse than primerica's but that doesn't equate to a "BUY" recommendation for primerica.
I was responding to someone who said primerica had reasonable rates. I don't care what thread its in.
I stated before, AIL has rates even worse than primerica's but that doesn't equate to a "BUY" recommendation for primerica.
I was responding to someone who said primerica had reasonable rates. I don't care what thread its in.
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What's this? #18 UPDATE EX-employee responds
Bad,Bad, presumptious Leroy
AUTHOR: Been - (U.S.A.)
SUBMITTED: Sunday, December 03, 2006
POSTED: Sunday, April 02, 2006
You assume I work for Primerica? Hah, hardly. What I said is they have a reasonably priced term product - which they do. You could do a lot worse (ask Barbie as she might know )and you could do alot better (per your research). You blog in here like people from the outside are using ROR for a comparison of companies when they are really in here to hear dirt or to dish it up.
This particular thread has to do with AIL which is why we keep coming back to it. To hear more crap about the company we know and love.
I believe AIL has more hits than most companies so the curiosity gets peaked. Obviously MGAs and SGAs are reading it, which is hilarious! I have said from the beginning there are truths on both sides. Suffice to say I have "been" there and done that and could quite possibly still be doing it. Only a fool would say.
ROR is the dinner table of info - some you digest , some you turn your nose up at. We slap each other around and take good natured jabs at each other. Sometimes it gets ugly as it would in any family. I can tell Frank, Moby, Tim and Barbie consider this a form of therapy whether they know it or not. This is an ongoing reality show where we can interact without showing our faces.Many things said in here would not be said face to face. Too bad for you guys as Barbie is very attractive,that I know. How about a picture for everyone??
Keep the crap coming, wash your hands before coming to the table and leave room for desert!
This particular thread has to do with AIL which is why we keep coming back to it. To hear more crap about the company we know and love.
I believe AIL has more hits than most companies so the curiosity gets peaked. Obviously MGAs and SGAs are reading it, which is hilarious! I have said from the beginning there are truths on both sides. Suffice to say I have "been" there and done that and could quite possibly still be doing it. Only a fool would say.
ROR is the dinner table of info - some you digest , some you turn your nose up at. We slap each other around and take good natured jabs at each other. Sometimes it gets ugly as it would in any family. I can tell Frank, Moby, Tim and Barbie consider this a form of therapy whether they know it or not. This is an ongoing reality show where we can interact without showing our faces.Many things said in here would not be said face to face. Too bad for you guys as Barbie is very attractive,that I know. How about a picture for everyone??
Keep the crap coming, wash your hands before coming to the table and leave room for desert!
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What's this? #19 Consumer Comment
Been.....what I said was
AUTHOR: Leroy - (U.S.A.)
SUBMITTED: Sunday, December 03, 2006
POSTED: Sunday, April 02, 2006
What I said was "let's let the visitors who read those quotes decide if Primerica term is reasonable." I know your mantra....you're not the cheapest. However, when your entire philosophy is based on
BUY TERM AND INVEST THE DIFFERENCE" how much that difference is becomes vital. Farmers and State Farm charge as much as primerica for term insurance, but what they say is "buy from us for convenience and have one agent for all your needs". I'd tell anyone asking me not to buy from them either.......giving away $75,000-150,000 death benefit for the sake of convenience isn't a good decision either.
When primerica says the way to financial happiness is to buy term and invest the difference and then charges as much as 127% more for the term insurance it means your client is sabotaging the financial philosophy by purchasing from the very person preaching that philosophy to him. The more difference you have the more you have to invest.
If a person pays 88% more for the life insurance from primerica you not only have to consider the extra premium, but the lost opportunity cost of that extra premium. You know what lost opportunity cost is don't you........or do they not bother with that at good ol' PFSU?
If you believe in Buy Term and Invest the Difference then investigate the market and don't buy the term from the first yahoo that comes at you with a canned sales pitch................like Cousin Larry the primerica rep.
BUY TERM AND INVEST THE DIFFERENCE" how much that difference is becomes vital. Farmers and State Farm charge as much as primerica for term insurance, but what they say is "buy from us for convenience and have one agent for all your needs". I'd tell anyone asking me not to buy from them either.......giving away $75,000-150,000 death benefit for the sake of convenience isn't a good decision either.
When primerica says the way to financial happiness is to buy term and invest the difference and then charges as much as 127% more for the term insurance it means your client is sabotaging the financial philosophy by purchasing from the very person preaching that philosophy to him. The more difference you have the more you have to invest.
If a person pays 88% more for the life insurance from primerica you not only have to consider the extra premium, but the lost opportunity cost of that extra premium. You know what lost opportunity cost is don't you........or do they not bother with that at good ol' PFSU?
If you believe in Buy Term and Invest the Difference then investigate the market and don't buy the term from the first yahoo that comes at you with a canned sales pitch................like Cousin Larry the primerica rep.
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What's this? #20 UPDATE EX-employee responds
Ignorance is bliss
AUTHOR: Been - (U.S.A.)
SUBMITTED: Sunday, December 03, 2006
POSTED: Saturday, April 01, 2006
Ignorance does not mean stupid. It means not aware but the problem is you are totally aware. Some justify their actions by saying "it's good for them" or "if it weren't for me coming by, nobody would have sold them anything". As I have said in past blogs, there are truths all around.
I have seen many comments in here and heard in the office how certain companies whole life compares favorably ratewise with other companies whole life. Other non-participating whole life of course.
Barb(ie) do you know how participating whole life works? I hope so but all we sell what we have at our disposal.
I'm sure our friend Leroy can educate you - in 10 minutes no less.
You answered my questions - thanks - but obviously there are more. Keep coming to the ROR dinner table and feast. This is where we discuss the days problems and regroup for the days ahead.
Finish your milk!.
I have seen many comments in here and heard in the office how certain companies whole life compares favorably ratewise with other companies whole life. Other non-participating whole life of course.
Barb(ie) do you know how participating whole life works? I hope so but all we sell what we have at our disposal.
I'm sure our friend Leroy can educate you - in 10 minutes no less.
You answered my questions - thanks - but obviously there are more. Keep coming to the ROR dinner table and feast. This is where we discuss the days problems and regroup for the days ahead.
Finish your milk!.
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What's this? #21 UPDATE Employee
Dear "Been"
AUTHOR: Barbara - (U.S.A.)
SUBMITTED: Sunday, December 03, 2006
POSTED: Saturday, April 01, 2006
Trust me, I have a thick skin! That's the only way to survive in this business. And yes I do know "dick" about the business thank you. And no, I don't get offended easily, but when someone is calling you ignorant for no reason, I get a little p**sed off. Yes I do know what E&O insurance is, and yes I can get it.
I hope that answers all your questions. At least we agree on one thing- Leroy needs to look again. Primerica sucks!
I hope that answers all your questions. At least we agree on one thing- Leroy needs to look again. Primerica sucks!
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What's this? #22 UPDATE EX-employee responds
Always need a good Laugh - and this is the place
AUTHOR: Been - (U.S.A.)
SUBMITTED: Sunday, December 03, 2006
POSTED: Friday, March 31, 2006
Barb(ie) you seem so offended by the littlest things. If your marriage is going to survive, your skin should get a little thicker. You really don't know dick about this business and that can be a dangerous thing. For the clients, (don't call them yours because they belong to the company) and for your career. Have you looked into E&O insurance? Do you know what it is and what it covers? Can you even get it? Not sure, but you should check it out.
To Mr.rate quote: I said a reasonable rate, not the least expensive. There are many (ask Barb(ie) companies that charge much more per thousand than Primerica. Still, we are all impressed with your computer prowess and the fact that you were able to get all that info in just 10 minutes. Wow! You must be a hoot at a party!
Keep those comments coming as this is the family dinner table of the dysfunctional AIL family. Eat your peas!!
To Mr.rate quote: I said a reasonable rate, not the least expensive. There are many (ask Barb(ie) companies that charge much more per thousand than Primerica. Still, we are all impressed with your computer prowess and the fact that you were able to get all that info in just 10 minutes. Wow! You must be a hoot at a party!
Keep those comments coming as this is the family dinner table of the dysfunctional AIL family. Eat your peas!!
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What's this? #23 Consumer Comment
Reasonably priced term????
AUTHOR: Leroy - (U.S.A.)
SUBMITTED: Sunday, December 03, 2006
POSTED: Friday, March 31, 2006
Lets look at some term comparisons and allow the visitors to this site to decide for themselves if primerica has reasonable priced term.
All quotes are for a 43 year old couple willing to pay $75 a month for term life insurance. See how much death benefit that $75 a month will buy for people in various categories;
Preferred risk non-smokers*
Primerica = $275,000 20 year term
Banner Life = $385,000 20 year term
Banner life will give this couple 40% more coverage for the same dollar
Super-preferred risk non-smokers**
Primerica = $275,000 20 year term
West Coast Life = $488,000 20 year term
West Coast Life will give this couple 77% more coverage for the same dollar
Preferred risk smokers
Primerica = $ 52,500 20 year term
Liberty Life = $118,000 20 year term
Liberty Life will give this couple 127% more coverage for the same dollar
Standard risk non-smokers
Primerica $165,000 20 year term
Empire General $221,000 20 year term
Empire General will give this couple 34% more coverage for the same dollar
*- about 60-65% of all non-smokers will qualify for preferred risk
**- about 15%* of all non-smokers will qualify for super-preferred rates
I could go on and on but you get the picture. I did this from an internet site in less than 10 minutes. You can too.
BTW....the only area where primerica competes really well is on 30 year term policies over $1 million. How well does that square with their mission statement of serving the MIDDLE CLASS?
All quotes are for a 43 year old couple willing to pay $75 a month for term life insurance. See how much death benefit that $75 a month will buy for people in various categories;
Preferred risk non-smokers*
Primerica = $275,000 20 year term
Banner Life = $385,000 20 year term
Banner life will give this couple 40% more coverage for the same dollar
Super-preferred risk non-smokers**
Primerica = $275,000 20 year term
West Coast Life = $488,000 20 year term
West Coast Life will give this couple 77% more coverage for the same dollar
Preferred risk smokers
Primerica = $ 52,500 20 year term
Liberty Life = $118,000 20 year term
Liberty Life will give this couple 127% more coverage for the same dollar
Standard risk non-smokers
Primerica $165,000 20 year term
Empire General $221,000 20 year term
Empire General will give this couple 34% more coverage for the same dollar
*- about 60-65% of all non-smokers will qualify for preferred risk
**- about 15%* of all non-smokers will qualify for super-preferred rates
I could go on and on but you get the picture. I did this from an internet site in less than 10 minutes. You can too.
BTW....the only area where primerica competes really well is on 30 year term policies over $1 million. How well does that square with their mission statement of serving the MIDDLE CLASS?
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What's this? #24 Consumer Comment
Reasonably priced term????
AUTHOR: Leroy - (U.S.A.)
SUBMITTED: Sunday, December 03, 2006
POSTED: Friday, March 31, 2006
Lets look at some term comparisons and allow the visitors to this site to decide for themselves if primerica has reasonable priced term.
All quotes are for a 43 year old couple willing to pay $75 a month for term life insurance. See how much death benefit that $75 a month will buy for people in various categories;
Preferred risk non-smokers*
Primerica = $275,000 20 year term
Banner Life = $385,000 20 year term
Banner life will give this couple 40% more coverage for the same dollar
Super-preferred risk non-smokers**
Primerica = $275,000 20 year term
West Coast Life = $488,000 20 year term
West Coast Life will give this couple 77% more coverage for the same dollar
Preferred risk smokers
Primerica = $ 52,500 20 year term
Liberty Life = $118,000 20 year term
Liberty Life will give this couple 127% more coverage for the same dollar
Standard risk non-smokers
Primerica $165,000 20 year term
Empire General $221,000 20 year term
Empire General will give this couple 34% more coverage for the same dollar
*- about 60-65% of all non-smokers will qualify for preferred risk
**- about 15%* of all non-smokers will qualify for super-preferred rates
I could go on and on but you get the picture. I did this from an internet site in less than 10 minutes. You can too.
BTW....the only area where primerica competes really well is on 30 year term policies over $1 million. How well does that square with their mission statement of serving the MIDDLE CLASS?
All quotes are for a 43 year old couple willing to pay $75 a month for term life insurance. See how much death benefit that $75 a month will buy for people in various categories;
Preferred risk non-smokers*
Primerica = $275,000 20 year term
Banner Life = $385,000 20 year term
Banner life will give this couple 40% more coverage for the same dollar
Super-preferred risk non-smokers**
Primerica = $275,000 20 year term
West Coast Life = $488,000 20 year term
West Coast Life will give this couple 77% more coverage for the same dollar
Preferred risk smokers
Primerica = $ 52,500 20 year term
Liberty Life = $118,000 20 year term
Liberty Life will give this couple 127% more coverage for the same dollar
Standard risk non-smokers
Primerica $165,000 20 year term
Empire General $221,000 20 year term
Empire General will give this couple 34% more coverage for the same dollar
*- about 60-65% of all non-smokers will qualify for preferred risk
**- about 15%* of all non-smokers will qualify for super-preferred rates
I could go on and on but you get the picture. I did this from an internet site in less than 10 minutes. You can too.
BTW....the only area where primerica competes really well is on 30 year term policies over $1 million. How well does that square with their mission statement of serving the MIDDLE CLASS?
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What's this? #25 Consumer Comment
Reasonably priced term????
AUTHOR: Leroy - (U.S.A.)
SUBMITTED: Sunday, December 03, 2006
POSTED: Friday, March 31, 2006
Lets look at some term comparisons and allow the visitors to this site to decide for themselves if primerica has reasonable priced term.
All quotes are for a 43 year old couple willing to pay $75 a month for term life insurance. See how much death benefit that $75 a month will buy for people in various categories;
Preferred risk non-smokers*
Primerica = $275,000 20 year term
Banner Life = $385,000 20 year term
Banner life will give this couple 40% more coverage for the same dollar
Super-preferred risk non-smokers**
Primerica = $275,000 20 year term
West Coast Life = $488,000 20 year term
West Coast Life will give this couple 77% more coverage for the same dollar
Preferred risk smokers
Primerica = $ 52,500 20 year term
Liberty Life = $118,000 20 year term
Liberty Life will give this couple 127% more coverage for the same dollar
Standard risk non-smokers
Primerica $165,000 20 year term
Empire General $221,000 20 year term
Empire General will give this couple 34% more coverage for the same dollar
*- about 60-65% of all non-smokers will qualify for preferred risk
**- about 15%* of all non-smokers will qualify for super-preferred rates
I could go on and on but you get the picture. I did this from an internet site in less than 10 minutes. You can too.
BTW....the only area where primerica competes really well is on 30 year term policies over $1 million. How well does that square with their mission statement of serving the MIDDLE CLASS?
All quotes are for a 43 year old couple willing to pay $75 a month for term life insurance. See how much death benefit that $75 a month will buy for people in various categories;
Preferred risk non-smokers*
Primerica = $275,000 20 year term
Banner Life = $385,000 20 year term
Banner life will give this couple 40% more coverage for the same dollar
Super-preferred risk non-smokers**
Primerica = $275,000 20 year term
West Coast Life = $488,000 20 year term
West Coast Life will give this couple 77% more coverage for the same dollar
Preferred risk smokers
Primerica = $ 52,500 20 year term
Liberty Life = $118,000 20 year term
Liberty Life will give this couple 127% more coverage for the same dollar
Standard risk non-smokers
Primerica $165,000 20 year term
Empire General $221,000 20 year term
Empire General will give this couple 34% more coverage for the same dollar
*- about 60-65% of all non-smokers will qualify for preferred risk
**- about 15%* of all non-smokers will qualify for super-preferred rates
I could go on and on but you get the picture. I did this from an internet site in less than 10 minutes. You can too.
BTW....the only area where primerica competes really well is on 30 year term policies over $1 million. How well does that square with their mission statement of serving the MIDDLE CLASS?
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What's this? #26 Consumer Comment
Reasonably priced term????
AUTHOR: Leroy - (U.S.A.)
SUBMITTED: Sunday, December 03, 2006
POSTED: Friday, March 31, 2006
Lets look at some term comparisons and allow the visitors to this site to decide for themselves if primerica has reasonable priced term.
All quotes are for a 43 year old couple willing to pay $75 a month for term life insurance. See how much death benefit that $75 a month will buy for people in various categories;
Preferred risk non-smokers*
Primerica = $275,000 20 year term
Banner Life = $385,000 20 year term
Banner life will give this couple 40% more coverage for the same dollar
Super-preferred risk non-smokers**
Primerica = $275,000 20 year term
West Coast Life = $488,000 20 year term
West Coast Life will give this couple 77% more coverage for the same dollar
Preferred risk smokers
Primerica = $ 52,500 20 year term
Liberty Life = $118,000 20 year term
Liberty Life will give this couple 127% more coverage for the same dollar
Standard risk non-smokers
Primerica $165,000 20 year term
Empire General $221,000 20 year term
Empire General will give this couple 34% more coverage for the same dollar
*- about 60-65% of all non-smokers will qualify for preferred risk
**- about 15%* of all non-smokers will qualify for super-preferred rates
I could go on and on but you get the picture. I did this from an internet site in less than 10 minutes. You can too.
BTW....the only area where primerica competes really well is on 30 year term policies over $1 million. How well does that square with their mission statement of serving the MIDDLE CLASS?
All quotes are for a 43 year old couple willing to pay $75 a month for term life insurance. See how much death benefit that $75 a month will buy for people in various categories;
Preferred risk non-smokers*
Primerica = $275,000 20 year term
Banner Life = $385,000 20 year term
Banner life will give this couple 40% more coverage for the same dollar
Super-preferred risk non-smokers**
Primerica = $275,000 20 year term
West Coast Life = $488,000 20 year term
West Coast Life will give this couple 77% more coverage for the same dollar
Preferred risk smokers
Primerica = $ 52,500 20 year term
Liberty Life = $118,000 20 year term
Liberty Life will give this couple 127% more coverage for the same dollar
Standard risk non-smokers
Primerica $165,000 20 year term
Empire General $221,000 20 year term
Empire General will give this couple 34% more coverage for the same dollar
*- about 60-65% of all non-smokers will qualify for preferred risk
**- about 15%* of all non-smokers will qualify for super-preferred rates
I could go on and on but you get the picture. I did this from an internet site in less than 10 minutes. You can too.
BTW....the only area where primerica competes really well is on 30 year term policies over $1 million. How well does that square with their mission statement of serving the MIDDLE CLASS?
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What's this? #27 UPDATE Employee
Dear "Been"
AUTHOR: Barbara - (U.S.A.)
SUBMITTED: Sunday, December 03, 2006
POSTED: Friday, March 31, 2006
I'm not showing ignorance! I only did not know that they offered Whole Life and was merely accepting the fact that I made a mistake. Excuse me for not being "All-Knowing" such as yourself. And I've heard not one good thing so far on their WL. You are the only one who thinks they have a good product.
Why are you still working for us again? Just curious. I would have long been gone if I was sooo unhappy with my job/career.
It's funny how you can "this isn't meant to be a slam" slam me, yet you have not to come to me face to face at the office. And no this is not meant to be a slam either. Just a friendly discussion. Or did I not "get" your humor again? Ha.
Why are you still working for us again? Just curious. I would have long been gone if I was sooo unhappy with my job/career.
It's funny how you can "this isn't meant to be a slam" slam me, yet you have not to come to me face to face at the office. And no this is not meant to be a slam either. Just a friendly discussion. Or did I not "get" your humor again? Ha.
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What's this? #28 UPDATE EX-employee responds
True True
AUTHOR: Frank - (Canada)
SUBMITTED: Sunday, December 03, 2006
POSTED: Friday, March 31, 2006
I agree with Barb. Primerica is a bad deal for people that have no knowledge of insurance.
Been, thanks for the "cool" reference to Canadian Praries, I thought if my comments make you laugh I would post this one to return the favor when I read yours eeey!
Been, thanks for the "cool" reference to Canadian Praries, I thought if my comments make you laugh I would post this one to return the favor when I read yours eeey!
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What's this? #29 UPDATE EX-employee responds
showing your ignorance Barb (ie)
AUTHOR: Been - (U.S.A.)
SUBMITTED: Sunday, December 03, 2006
POSTED: Thursday, March 30, 2006
Again,your lack of experience in this business is as plain as a Canadian prairie in the winter and the BS is as deep as their snowdrifts. ( a little reference to make Frank feel at home). There are some companies term rates (do you know who?) that are the MOST costly in the business. But I understand people must work with what they have. Primerica does have permanent products that can be converted into from their very reasonably priced term. I believe this is a state requirement in Ohio as well as most states. I could be wrong.
As far as Primerica agents omitting cerain facts, puhleeze. You probably know (because you are smart) that any agent, with any company,is capable of doing what it takes to make a sale.
This is not a defense of Primerica nor an indictment of any company in particular.
Keep smiling Barb(ie) as this is not a slam. Keep selling in the custom that you are used to. It appears to be working for you.
Franks and Moby and I guess, Tims comments would be welcome. I need a laugh when I get home. Cya!
As far as Primerica agents omitting cerain facts, puhleeze. You probably know (because you are smart) that any agent, with any company,is capable of doing what it takes to make a sale.
This is not a defense of Primerica nor an indictment of any company in particular.
Keep smiling Barb(ie) as this is not a slam. Keep selling in the custom that you are used to. It appears to be working for you.
Franks and Moby and I guess, Tims comments would be welcome. I need a laugh when I get home. Cya!
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What's this? #30 UPDATE Employee
learn something new everyday....
AUTHOR: Barbara - (U.S.A.)
SUBMITTED: Sunday, December 03, 2006
POSTED: Thursday, March 30, 2006
Thanks Leroy. I had no idea Primerica offered WL. But I guess, in reality, they don't if it's so bad. Thanks for the correction. I don't want to be out there telling lies. All this time I thought they didn't carry it. I've never ever seen a WL policy from them. And any "Primeridork", as you so lovingly put it (LOL), that I've spoken to has told me they don't have it. I guess you do learn something new everyday.
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What's this? #31 Consumer Comment
Barbara..we agree
AUTHOR: Leroy - (U.S.A.)
SUBMITTED: Sunday, December 03, 2006
POSTED: Thursday, March 30, 2006
However I have seen AILs term rates and they are wayyyyyy higher than even primerica's. BTW....primerica does offer a whole life to convert to but it is about the worst product I have ever seen. Primeridorks rub me the wrong way too....but so does AIL.
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What's this? #32 UPDATE Employee
Not in my State
AUTHOR: Barbara - (U.S.A.)
SUBMITTED: Sunday, December 03, 2006
POSTED: Thursday, March 30, 2006
Licensing fees are no where near that in Ohio. Plus our SGAs and MGAs don't make a dime off new agent licensing fees.
As far as Primerica being better....yeah right! I think Frank would even agree on that. They sell term to people who cannot even invest a dime who have no clue that their premium will skyrocket in 30 years!!! Half the time Primerica clients don't even know they have term and don't know they can't convert it because Primerica doesn't even carry Whole Life as a product! I have heard a lot of people talk about us AIL agents being brainwashed....no one is more brainwashed than Primerica! On top of that you can't make a career out of it because you are done when you run out of family and friends! Peleeeeze! Primerica IS the worst company ever! I don't talk smack about any companies ever. But Primerica rubs me the wrong way!
As far as Primerica being better....yeah right! I think Frank would even agree on that. They sell term to people who cannot even invest a dime who have no clue that their premium will skyrocket in 30 years!!! Half the time Primerica clients don't even know they have term and don't know they can't convert it because Primerica doesn't even carry Whole Life as a product! I have heard a lot of people talk about us AIL agents being brainwashed....no one is more brainwashed than Primerica! On top of that you can't make a career out of it because you are done when you run out of family and friends! Peleeeeze! Primerica IS the worst company ever! I don't talk smack about any companies ever. But Primerica rubs me the wrong way!
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What's this? #33 Consumer Comment
American Income Life's Products
AUTHOR: Leroy - (U.S.A.)
SUBMITTED: Sunday, December 03, 2006
POSTED: Wednesday, March 29, 2006
American Income Life's Products are
way-y-y-y-y-y-y-y-y-y-y-y-y-y-y-y-y-y worse than even primerica's products.
way-y-y-y-y-y-y-y-y-y-y-y-y-y-y-y-y-y worse than even primerica's products.
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What's this? #34 UPDATE EX-employee responds
Cool!
AUTHOR: Frank - (Canada)
SUBMITTED: Sunday, December 03, 2006
POSTED: Wednesday, March 29, 2006
That will be fun Bart!
You know what I heard? now when you get "hired" you have to pay $600 plus the licensing fees. those $600 are exactly what the Hiring Manager gets paid per person that joins. Crazy hey!?
You know what I heard? now when you get "hired" you have to pay $600 plus the licensing fees. those $600 are exactly what the Hiring Manager gets paid per person that joins. Crazy hey!?
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What's this? #35 UPDATE Employee
Step 1. Infiltrate Evil Organization Step 2. ..... Step 3. Profit.
AUTHOR: Bart - (U.S.A.)
SUBMITTED: Sunday, December 03, 2006
POSTED: Tuesday, March 28, 2006
So, I got a call the other day about someone getting my resume, and loving it. Well thats cool I thought. Im a pretty lovable guy after all. So I talked to the guy for a while. And he seemed to like me, he invited me for an interview. He told me the position involved something about saling insurance, but not to worry about not having any experience, as I was obviously cut out for the job. Well, Im going out to see this guy tommorrow around noon, in my bussiness attire.
Well, I decided to do my homework on this company, and I come across this. So, I'm going to play ball and make them think Im a moron. And I will post here to let you all know how it goes. As for those of you who worry about my time and money, dont worry. I dont have a job to go to anyway ^_^
Until I write again.
PS Think of some fun stuff to do at training class whenever I lose it and walk out.
Well, I decided to do my homework on this company, and I come across this. So, I'm going to play ball and make them think Im a moron. And I will post here to let you all know how it goes. As for those of you who worry about my time and money, dont worry. I dont have a job to go to anyway ^_^
Until I write again.
PS Think of some fun stuff to do at training class whenever I lose it and walk out.
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What's this? #36 UPDATE Employee
Jay, this is so much freakin' fun
AUTHOR: Moby - (U.S.A.)
SUBMITTED: Sunday, December 03, 2006
POSTED: Sunday, February 26, 2006
Jay: "Mommy, is this company for real? Mommy should I try it or do think I will fail? Mommy is insurance sales too hard? Mommy......... Mommy.... Mommy......SLAP!!!! Whining Jay from Little Compton, or is it Little Jay from Whining Compton. Grow the f*** up Little Jay.
Dude, in January I earned $11,000. My referral base is over 500 pages long. You are the MOST pathetic because you didn't even make the ATTEMPT! Why Little Jay? Boy talk about a loser.
Dude, in January I earned $11,000. My referral base is over 500 pages long. You are the MOST pathetic because you didn't even make the ATTEMPT! Why Little Jay? Boy talk about a loser.
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What's this? #37 Consumer Suggestion
MOBY IS A DICK
AUTHOR: Jay - (U.S.A.)
SUBMITTED: Sunday, December 03, 2006
POSTED: Saturday, February 25, 2006
IMAGINE WORKING FOR A P.O.S. COMPANY WHERE YOU SPEND YOUR NIGHTS PERUSING A WEBSITE CALLED RIP OFF REPORT LOOKING TO REBUT POSTS ABOUT YOUR PATHETIC LITTLE PSEUDO INSURANCE COMPANY?
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What's this? #38 UPDATE Employee
ABSOLUTELY UNBELIEVABLE!
AUTHOR: Moby - (U.S.A.)
SUBMITTED: Sunday, December 03, 2006
POSTED: Saturday, February 25, 2006
I have an incredible idea for all the losers who failed at AIL. Print out the reports and rebuttals that you have submitted to this website and bring them with you on your next job interview. DO YOU THINK YOU WOULD BE HIRED!! The interviewer would call building security to escort your sorry butt to the nearest exit. I absolutely can't stand people who need to rant and rave in a public forum about their past failures. It makes you appear underconfident, esteemless, needy, unlikeable and completely unemployable. I guarantee if I researched all the people who constantly sit in front their PCs crying and complaining at this ridiculous site all day, I would find a very long history of job termination, resignation and self-loathing. Search your hearts, and a good writing course, find some peace and happiness, PLEASE!!
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What's this? #39 Consumer Comment
SCAM? Most definately!
AUTHOR: George - (U.S.A.)
SUBMITTED: Sunday, December 03, 2006
POSTED: Wednesday, February 22, 2006
Someone mentioned on here that earning 40k in your first year with AIL is common if you work 80 per week. That adds up to be a little over $9.50 per hour. Anyone who considers a position with this company (or any other for that matter) for that kind of money, working that many hours is insane. You might as well work at your local grocery store or gas station. I'm not saying that no one is making decent money with this company but it does seem that AIL preys on people who are down on their luck, knowing that MAYBE 5% (and I'm being generous)of the people who come on board with them stand a chance to make a decent living. Those aren't very good odds if you ask me.
I've been working as an independent contractor for 12 years now for various companies throughout the US. Any reputable company would offer it's IC's at the very least mileage expenses. Many will cover your cell phone, lodging and even offer a $30 per day meal expense. Sometimes they prefer to pay a per diem rate of $75 to $125, depending on the market.
Anyhow, I never worked for or applied with AIL. My girlfriend though went through some training with them and asked me to read some of these rebuttals. Now that I have, I've come to the conclusion that this is more than likely a scam.
During her training she'd come home many times frustrated and feeling stupid. She's not stupid though, she's very bright and inquisitive. Apparently AIL has a problem with people who are intelligent. She would tell me that they would never answer ligitiment questions she asked and would make her feel stupid for asking them...rolling there eyes, telling her to focus etc. Whatever happened to the saying; "there is no such thing as a stupid question?" I've been through many training programs in my life and never have I had a instructor refuse to answer a question, and if he ever rolled his eyes at me after asking a question I would have simply walked out....after knocking him on his A**!!
Companies like this (MLM)are all over and the people who are involved in recruiting others just so they can jump a level in the pyramid are the lowest of the low. Greed at it's worst. I wouldn't doubt for a second that AIL doesn't give two turds about the people working for them, let alone the poor souls buying these crappy insurance policies. I also wouldn't be surprised if I found out that AIL planted some of their seasoned veterans in the classrooms posing as trainees themselves. What better way to control suspicion then to have a fellow trainee apply peer pressure on an inquisitive, maybe suspicous, classmate? That's how I would do it if I were running a scam such as this.
So, in conclusion, I recommend that anyone who has been scammed by this company follow through and report them to the Better Business Bureau and print out some of these rebuttals so you can hand them out to some other classmates who are in your training class (assuming you're still there). Also, if you're having a hard time getting your license status from AIL, as my girlfriend is, tell them that you will plant yourself on their front doorstep and hand out these rebuttals to anyone who is going for an interview with them until you recieve your license and any other paperwork you might need from them. That'll scare the crap out of them enough to get you what you're entitled to.
To those of you who are still blinded by the greed and false hope this company has instilled in you, remember this....karma will eventually catch up with you. I know this first hand through experience. I predict AIL won't be around in another 10 years so don't count on retiring with them, let alone make a dencent living.
I've been working as an independent contractor for 12 years now for various companies throughout the US. Any reputable company would offer it's IC's at the very least mileage expenses. Many will cover your cell phone, lodging and even offer a $30 per day meal expense. Sometimes they prefer to pay a per diem rate of $75 to $125, depending on the market.
Anyhow, I never worked for or applied with AIL. My girlfriend though went through some training with them and asked me to read some of these rebuttals. Now that I have, I've come to the conclusion that this is more than likely a scam.
During her training she'd come home many times frustrated and feeling stupid. She's not stupid though, she's very bright and inquisitive. Apparently AIL has a problem with people who are intelligent. She would tell me that they would never answer ligitiment questions she asked and would make her feel stupid for asking them...rolling there eyes, telling her to focus etc. Whatever happened to the saying; "there is no such thing as a stupid question?" I've been through many training programs in my life and never have I had a instructor refuse to answer a question, and if he ever rolled his eyes at me after asking a question I would have simply walked out....after knocking him on his A**!!
Companies like this (MLM)are all over and the people who are involved in recruiting others just so they can jump a level in the pyramid are the lowest of the low. Greed at it's worst. I wouldn't doubt for a second that AIL doesn't give two turds about the people working for them, let alone the poor souls buying these crappy insurance policies. I also wouldn't be surprised if I found out that AIL planted some of their seasoned veterans in the classrooms posing as trainees themselves. What better way to control suspicion then to have a fellow trainee apply peer pressure on an inquisitive, maybe suspicous, classmate? That's how I would do it if I were running a scam such as this.
So, in conclusion, I recommend that anyone who has been scammed by this company follow through and report them to the Better Business Bureau and print out some of these rebuttals so you can hand them out to some other classmates who are in your training class (assuming you're still there). Also, if you're having a hard time getting your license status from AIL, as my girlfriend is, tell them that you will plant yourself on their front doorstep and hand out these rebuttals to anyone who is going for an interview with them until you recieve your license and any other paperwork you might need from them. That'll scare the crap out of them enough to get you what you're entitled to.
To those of you who are still blinded by the greed and false hope this company has instilled in you, remember this....karma will eventually catch up with you. I know this first hand through experience. I predict AIL won't be around in another 10 years so don't count on retiring with them, let alone make a dencent living.
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What's this? #40 UPDATE EX-employee responds
Hal.. We know who you are, and the authorities are now watching you.
AUTHOR: Lawrence - (U.S.A.)
SUBMITTED: Sunday, December 03, 2006
POSTED: Monday, March 28, 2005
Hal...
You should know better than to make publicly viewable threats. Many Federal and State Agencies, my attorneys, and I are watching (and pursuing) AIL at this very moment.
This forum is a presentation of fact and fiction; Hal, you (and those like you) produce fiction. You and your willing accomplices either chose not to see the illegal activity, OR you ignore it; either way your actions support it.
It is curious that you accuse others of being afraid because they - allegedly - change their name; YET it is you who is clearly most afraid since it is you who issues threats.
It is too late now, those who represent me (and I) are advancing; I caution you stronglydo not make threats against others again; this information will now be submitted to all necessary authorities and parties.
Sincerely,
You should know better than to make publicly viewable threats. Many Federal and State Agencies, my attorneys, and I are watching (and pursuing) AIL at this very moment.
This forum is a presentation of fact and fiction; Hal, you (and those like you) produce fiction. You and your willing accomplices either chose not to see the illegal activity, OR you ignore it; either way your actions support it.
It is curious that you
It is too late now, those who represent me (and I) are advancing; I caution you
Sincerely,
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What's this? #41 UPDATE Employee
What's in a name only their names have been changed to protect the scared.
AUTHOR: Hal - (U.S.A.)
SUBMITTED: Sunday, December 03, 2006
POSTED: Sunday, March 27, 2005
We all know who you really are and by using my name you are fooling nobody. We have some boys from Kentucky that can change your attitude about our crew and how we play. Look over yur shoulder and be glad you bought the accident insurance when it was still for sale. We miss you you like a headache.
I've got an appointment to see today to a non believer. If he sees me today he will buy. Money, the name of my game. It looks like I know everyone in this forum by what they wright, only their names have been changed to protect the scared.
I've got an appointment to see today to a non believer. If he sees me today he will buy. Money, the name of my game. It looks like I know everyone in this forum by what they wright, only their names have been changed to protect the scared.
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What's this? #42 UPDATE Employee
It's not true, I can still legally sell some kinds of insurance in NY and I do for NILICO
AUTHOR: Jimmie - (U.S.A.)
SUBMITTED: Sunday, December 03, 2006
POSTED: Saturday, March 26, 2005
I never made much with my SEC licenses anyways, and what happened at Metlife was supposed to stay at Metlife. If my violations were bad enough I would have been convicted instead of asked to resign.
It was not worth spending $30,000 defending myself for a he said, she said case. The jury could have gone either way whether I did what I was accused of or not.
The money is in screwing the dumb union guys that let me in their homes.
The name of the game is money and if I have to kiss a little as_ to get on the surviving side of the boss I will. I find him kind of cute anyways, the way he spits that tobacco turns me on. I drank out of his cup once by mistake after a couple too many drinks. Wow that is powerful stuff, no wonder why he spits it out.
Yes I may drink too much but who doesn't? I only wet myself at one NILICO company party. I had a great time that night.
Luckily for the real world of money,most union guys are too stupid to use a computer so they will never read any of this anyways.
I can always deny it or say I was in a blackout. Anyone who knows me would testify that there was a good chance of that.
As far as me getting drunk at the golf meeting and pulling down my pants, so what? I had underwear on anyways. I've seen worse at football games.
It is my attitude that sets me apart and earned my promotions. I think you are jealous that I do so well.
The benefits I sell are the best these idiots will ever see because they are too stupid to shop around? How dumb must you be to believe your union about something as important as insurance.
If you bought that from me, shame on you if you did not have a financial planner or tax consultant look at it.
I used to be one and they screw people everday also.
Remember I grew up in NYC and learned quickly to survive in the jungle do what ever needs to be done, including denying this if my boss asks, unles he congradulates me.
I know he reads it everyday. He is the one who told our group about it. Duhron you did the right thing promoting me watch and see, you will be proud of me. I don't think there is anything unmanly about crying at company parties after a few drinks. It shows how much I think of you and your trust in me to sell you benefits with the accident benefits or without, I'm in till the end.
Nobody knows about the loss of the benefits and if they ask me I tell them the benefits got better not worse. Some believe me because I tell them I came from their union and who ever heard of benefits getting worse?
It is further proof how dumb they really are. The whiners on this site are the ex-employees who did have guilt when it came to taking money from stupid hard working union dopes. They were in the wrong job and now they know it. I fired plenty of them. I did each and every one of them a favor.
If you saw a $100 bill fall from someones pocket, would you pick it up and call it a lucky day or run to return it? If you are the one out of 100 that would return it stay away from the insurance industry.
Trust me I have been at it for a while now. I let the trainees buy me lunch, after all they think they will soon be making six figures anyways. They get to ride in my truck with my gas.
All I can say to the whiners is "LOOK AT ME". I'm a successful NILICO manager.
What are you? A whiner? A complainer, who do you think you are trying to protect in these rebuttals? Nobody reads them, just other losers like you!
It was not worth spending $30,000 defending myself for a he said, she said case. The jury could have gone either way whether I did what I was accused of or not.
The money is in screwing the dumb union guys that let me in their homes.
The name of the game is money and if I have to kiss a little as_ to get on the surviving side of the boss I will. I find him kind of cute anyways, the way he spits that tobacco turns me on. I drank out of his cup once by mistake after a couple too many drinks. Wow that is powerful stuff, no wonder why he spits it out.
Yes I may drink too much but who doesn't? I only wet myself at one NILICO company party. I had a great time that night.
Luckily for the real world of money,most union guys are too stupid to use a computer so they will never read any of this anyways.
I can always deny it or say I was in a blackout. Anyone who knows me would testify that there was a good chance of that.
As far as me getting drunk at the golf meeting and pulling down my pants, so what? I had underwear on anyways. I've seen worse at football games.
It is my attitude that sets me apart and earned my promotions. I think you are jealous that I do so well.
The benefits I sell are the best these idiots will ever see because they are too stupid to shop around? How dumb must you be to believe your union about something as important as insurance.
If you bought that from me, shame on you if you did not have a financial planner or tax consultant look at it.
I used to be one and they screw people everday also.
Remember I grew up in NYC and learned quickly to survive in the jungle do what ever needs to be done, including denying this if my boss asks, unles he congradulates me.
I know he reads it everyday. He is the one who told our group about it. Duhron you did the right thing promoting me watch and see, you will be proud of me. I don't think there is anything unmanly about crying at company parties after a few drinks. It shows how much I think of you and your trust in me to sell you benefits with the accident benefits or without, I'm in till the end.
Nobody knows about the loss of the benefits and if they ask me I tell them the benefits got better not worse. Some believe me because I tell them I came from their union and who ever heard of benefits getting worse?
It is further proof how dumb they really are. The whiners on this site are the ex-employees who did have guilt when it came to taking money from stupid hard working union dopes. They were in the wrong job and now they know it. I fired plenty of them. I did each and every one of them a favor.
If you saw a $100 bill fall from someones pocket, would you pick it up and call it a lucky day or run to return it? If you are the one out of 100 that would return it stay away from the insurance industry.
Trust me I have been at it for a while now. I let the trainees buy me lunch, after all they think they will soon be making six figures anyways. They get to ride in my truck with my gas.
All I can say to the whiners is "LOOK AT ME". I'm a successful NILICO manager.
What are you? A whiner? A complainer, who do you think you are trying to protect in these rebuttals? Nobody reads them, just other losers like you!
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What's this? #43 UPDATE EX-employee responds
Dustin, thanks for the job offer but no thanks NILICO,AIL
AUTHOR: Jimmie - (U.S.A.)
SUBMITTED: Sunday, December 03, 2006
POSTED: Saturday, March 26, 2005
At least you have the understanding that I was producing, making bonus, convention, a large percentage on referrals and I brought the Rochester standard up a notch rather than lowering it.
I also fed the food chain of the pyramid nicely. I had several other job offers from other AIL/NILICO agents when they left Rochester. Yes I know what it takes and believe that the NYS SGA is a moron who has a terrible sense of who to promote, like Hal, the drunken crybaby that gets drunk and cries at all the big meetings like the Christmas party.
He then gives a speech about how great Durhon Oldham is and how he saved him from poverty. The biggest as_ kisser I ever saw.A couple of people who worked at Metlife with him claim he did something shady there and lost his series 6 and 63 licenses and could not longer work there. Hardly someone I would want to promote, let alone hire.
Next they have computer Matt an office manager who can't even manage leads, he always has a story though, blame it on the computer system,not the person running the key board. He lies to Durhon every day and hides the truth from him. He is a rea yes man, and liar.
He drinks, and golfs with the boss so he must be OK. I've seen many good agents quit because he could or would not pass out leads as promised. Durhon claims that he does everything the right way, I would hate to see the wrong way. The bigger the the liar the bigger the promotion. I did tell Roger Smith about the situation and he never replied.
He seemed so nice at convention talking my my wife and myself, I guess he does not care either. I hope some day we chat. The loss is theirs not mine as they really don't have union leads in Rochester anyways.
They only signed up about 10% of the unions and they had so many complaints of our deceptive sales practices, not paying claims, not returning calls, bothering people on Sundays, not delivering food from the food bank, etc. that many unions and credit unions told us to stop calling and seeing our members permanently. They told their members that we were scammers and not to deal with us.
They also talked to heads of other unions that we had not signed up and warned them not to sign up and they wisely chose no to. Bridge burning. Durhon had many chances to correct the obvious problems but refused to because he thinks he is doing everything the right way. His NY numbers are so bad after about 4 years that he had to move his money guys to Pa.
where the numbers are going up along with the complaints that you can read on these forums. I expect to see those numbers drop again soon enough. I already have more licenses than Durhon, I'm getting more and I'm not at all worried about being successful. I was before National Income and I am still.
I learned some good sales tricks over there, very few will I ever use use again. A good salesman does not need tricks, or lies, he needs knowledge and honesty, and to be caring and considerate and a very strong work ethic and drive.
These are things they don't spend any time training people there. He blew what could have been a real gold mine if he hired good salesman, trained them properly, had ethics, morals. He thinks because he sees a lot of short term money he is doing great.
He is losing 90% of the potential that product had when they sold the accident benefit. I heard the number two guy Jim's pay went down 75% since his boss went to Michigan.
He has lost all but 1 good salesman. He could not tell the truth if you offered him double his paycheck. The managers are running around warning the agents not to join management because it was the biggest mistake they ever made.
You also will leave if you have any character and you will be successful where ever you go because you seem to understand why there are so many complaints against this company and so few positve replys. It is so obvious to anyone who has been there for a while that the posive ones are just written by desperate recruiters trying to recruit because that is what they are taught.
Any real Insurance Company with a good reputation has at least 4 to 5 personal interviews with different interviewers usually 1 on 1 or possibly 2 at the most. They want people who will not tarnish their reputation. They all give you at least 3 hours of testing, usually 2 tyes of tests to see if you fit the slot.
They don't want to waste their time or yours and money on someone they don't think will be successful. Nilico has a standard 3 interview process. 1. They call you, you don't call them, they do their best to convince you that you applied for their job when you did not. If you agree for an interview, you come in today or tomorrow, you are interviewed by a guy in his 20's who did not even read your resume that you had posted on the internet, he asks you about 5 questions nothing to do with experience, tells you some lies and asks you to come back tmorrow to meet the State Director. 2. Surprise!
You were really invited to a group interview, the type everyone warns you about, the goal is to sucker 4 out of 40 people to believe you, make those 4 think that you have a chance of being hired for a job with benefits and big money, if you are a lucky one you may be invited back for the 3rd and final interview with God's assistant. 3. You get the call if you show up you are "hired". Similar to selling Avon make up or having tupperware parties, everyone can make a million. I feel sorry for the women that try they seem to burn out and give up the quickest, why do they try? I don't know.
I have nothing against them I am married to one of them. They just don't make it in this business. We had one exception but she had more male qualities than female and we had another who fails miserably and can't even pay her rent. The rest usually don't last more than a month or so. If I were a woman applying for this job I would ask for the names of 5 local successful women who have more than 2 years experience. If they can't, run to you next interview in a different field. They seem to hurt the worse when they fail at what I call "MISSION IMPOSSIBLE"
I also fed the food chain of the pyramid nicely. I had several other job offers from other AIL/NILICO agents when they left Rochester. Yes I know what it takes and believe that the NYS SGA is a moron who has a terrible sense of who to promote, like Hal, the drunken crybaby that gets drunk and cries at all the big meetings like the Christmas party.
He then gives a speech about how great Durhon Oldham is and how he saved him from poverty. The biggest as_ kisser I ever saw.A couple of people who worked at Metlife with him claim he did something shady there and lost his series 6 and 63 licenses and could not longer work there. Hardly someone I would want to promote, let alone hire.
Next they have computer Matt an office manager who can't even manage leads, he always has a story though, blame it on the computer system,not the person running the key board. He lies to Durhon every day and hides the truth from him. He is a rea yes man, and liar.
He drinks, and golfs with the boss so he must be OK. I've seen many good agents quit because he could or would not pass out leads as promised. Durhon claims that he does everything the right way, I would hate to see the wrong way. The bigger the the liar the bigger the promotion. I did tell Roger Smith about the situation and he never replied.
He seemed so nice at convention talking my my wife and myself, I guess he does not care either. I hope some day we chat. The loss is theirs not mine as they really don't have union leads in Rochester anyways.
They only signed up about 10% of the unions and they had so many complaints of our deceptive sales practices, not paying claims, not returning calls, bothering people on Sundays, not delivering food from the food bank, etc. that many unions and credit unions told us to stop calling and seeing our members permanently. They told their members that we were scammers and not to deal with us.
They also talked to heads of other unions that we had not signed up and warned them not to sign up and they wisely chose no to. Bridge burning. Durhon had many chances to correct the obvious problems but refused to because he thinks he is doing everything the right way. His NY numbers are so bad after about 4 years that he had to move his money guys to Pa.
where the numbers are going up along with the complaints that you can read on these forums. I expect to see those numbers drop again soon enough. I already have more licenses than Durhon, I'm getting more and I'm not at all worried about being successful. I was before National Income and I am still.
I learned some good sales tricks over there, very few will I ever use use again. A good salesman does not need tricks, or lies, he needs knowledge and honesty, and to be caring and considerate and a very strong work ethic and drive.
These are things they don't spend any time training people there. He blew what could have been a real gold mine if he hired good salesman, trained them properly, had ethics, morals. He thinks because he sees a lot of short term money he is doing great.
He is losing 90% of the potential that product had when they sold the accident benefit. I heard the number two guy Jim's pay went down 75% since his boss went to Michigan.
He has lost all but 1 good salesman. He could not tell the truth if you offered him double his paycheck. The managers are running around warning the agents not to join management because it was the biggest mistake they ever made.
You also will leave if you have any character and you will be successful where ever you go because you seem to understand why there are so many complaints against this company and so few positve replys. It is so obvious to anyone who has been there for a while that the posive ones are just written by desperate recruiters trying to recruit because that is what they are taught.
Any real Insurance Company with a good reputation has at least 4 to 5 personal interviews with different interviewers usually 1 on 1 or possibly 2 at the most. They want people who will not tarnish their reputation. They all give you at least 3 hours of testing, usually 2 tyes of tests to see if you fit the slot.
They don't want to waste their time or yours and money on someone they don't think will be successful. Nilico has a standard 3 interview process. 1. They call you, you don't call them, they do their best to convince you that you applied for their job when you did not. If you agree for an interview, you come in today or tomorrow, you are interviewed by a guy in his 20's who did not even read your resume that you had posted on the internet, he asks you about 5 questions nothing to do with experience, tells you some lies and asks you to come back tmorrow to meet the State Director. 2. Surprise!
You were really invited to a group interview, the type everyone warns you about, the goal is to sucker 4 out of 40 people to believe you, make those 4 think that you have a chance of being hired for a job with benefits and big money, if you are a lucky one you may be invited back for the 3rd and final interview with God's assistant. 3. You get the call if you show up you are "hired". Similar to selling Avon make up or having tupperware parties, everyone can make a million. I feel sorry for the women that try they seem to burn out and give up the quickest, why do they try? I don't know.
I have nothing against them I am married to one of them. They just don't make it in this business. We had one exception but she had more male qualities than female and we had another who fails miserably and can't even pay her rent. The rest usually don't last more than a month or so. If I were a woman applying for this job I would ask for the names of 5 local successful women who have more than 2 years experience. If they can't, run to you next interview in a different field. They seem to hurt the worse when they fail at what I call "MISSION IMPOSSIBLE"
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What's this? #44 Consumer Comment
Find Another Firm deceptive, evasive, and otherwise dishonest in their recruiting practices
AUTHOR: Ron - (U.S.A.)
SUBMITTED: Sunday, December 03, 2006
POSTED: Thursday, March 24, 2005
While there are many legitimate insurance companies out there, even some with some form of an MLM structure, there are just too many people demonstrating clear examples of AIL being deceptive, evasive, and otherwise dishonest in their recruiting practices. Any legitimate firm will make it VERY clear to you that you are starting your own business and that their will be significant overhead costs that may take a considerable amount of time to recoup.
As the the actual levels of comission, 26% to start is laughable. There are many good companies out their offering 55-75% FYC on their policies at the very lowest tiers, and up to 100%+ based on performance goals which have nothing to do wit recruiting activity. The truth is that in just about ANY MLM system, you MUST recruit heavily to realize the same levels of commission that you could easily achieve working for yourself at more traditional firm. Any reputable company would spell this out to potential candidates upfront so that they could make an informed decision.
The truth is that while insurance sales CAN BE one of the most lucrative businesses there is, it is by no means easy money and the majority of people are not cut out for it. As with stock brokers, real estate agents and other high profile sales jobs, it takes extraordinary talent and sales ability to earn the top incomes, and the median income figures are much closer to regular salaried jobs. And as sales go, insurance is one of the most difficult to succeed in, arguably even more than "upscale" stok brokering.
There are just too many companies out there that will be honest and upfront with you about job expectations to deal with someone that would trick you into a business that you're not suited to.
As the the actual levels of comission, 26% to start is laughable. There are many good companies out their offering 55-75% FYC on their policies at the very lowest tiers, and up to 100%+ based on performance goals which have nothing to do wit recruiting activity. The truth is that in just about ANY MLM system, you MUST recruit heavily to realize the same levels of commission that you could easily achieve working for yourself at more traditional firm. Any reputable company would spell this out to potential candidates upfront so that they could make an informed decision.
The truth is that while insurance sales CAN BE one of the most lucrative businesses there is, it is by no means easy money and the majority of people are not cut out for it. As with stock brokers, real estate agents and other high profile sales jobs, it takes extraordinary talent and sales ability to earn the top incomes, and the median income figures are much closer to regular salaried jobs. And as sales go, insurance is one of the most difficult to succeed in, arguably even more than "upscale" stok brokering.
There are just too many companies out there that will be honest and upfront with you about job expectations to deal with someone that would trick you into a business that you're not suited to.
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What's this? #45 UPDATE Employee
GET REAL PEOPLE. I have worked for AIL for over a year now. I have never experienced any of these things.
AUTHOR: Dustin - (U.S.A.)
SUBMITTED: Sunday, December 03, 2006
POSTED: Friday, February 25, 2005
Are you guys for real? I mean come on! I have worked for AIL for over a year now. I have never experienced any of these things. I work for Larry Geneser and he is and has been for quite some time, one of the best SGA's w/ AIL. Does anybody think to check if any of these people are gainfully employed now. How about did you get lied to or did you hear what you wanted. Granted I can say nothing about any of the other agencies, only mine. Yes AIL is built on recruitement and production. All business is! Its only what level you participate in the company that you feel these things. America is based on supply and demand. This job is not for everyone and thats why AIL pays the money they do. They offer lifetime renewals. If you dont plan on working hard to make money, then you want it handed to you. Tim I would say that you got shafted by your deal. Does that mean that ALL that Mr. Rapoport created is bad or just your agency. You can come work for me Ill give you lots of leads everyday. Then you have to come back and tell everyone that we are standup. Tim did you talk to Roger about your treatment, How about Scott Smith? You are not upset because it was a bad opportunity. You obviously made some money or you wouldnt have stayed. You obviosly made some bonus money and got sent on an expense paid trip for two. People I can say only one thing. If you dont want to be an independent business owner then maybe this isnt for you. If you have dirve and work ethis and dont want to own your own business you can work only 3-4 days a week on your schedule and make a great living. When you look into American Income you should ask for the company minumums from the home office. Your SGA is not God he is the manager of that state. He is human and can make mistakes. Have you ever made one of those. Hope you got forgiven. Its hard work and takes dedication. Just some thoughts... Have a great day!!!
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What's this? #46 Consumer Comment
OK employee Chad, tell us...
AUTHOR: Frank - (Canada)
SUBMITTED: Sunday, December 03, 2006
POSTED: Friday, February 11, 2005
Hi Chad,
It was very interesting reading your "Rebuttal". As you say, perhaps American Income really cares about workers of Unions, and their own people,
I was wondering if you can explain us few things then:
1) Why did you fire your HR representative from Saskatoon?
He was hiring I would say 3 people a week to compensate the 99% turn over at your agency there and still " THE OPPORTUNITY WAS NOT FOR HIM ? "
I am a Policy owner myself an he tried to get me on-board, I know he was an honest guy, He would not hire someone that really did not "want" the opportunity...he was honest he was fired.
He just was not hiring hords of Agents as AIL wanted....
2) If I recall properly, that 19 Y.O. Winnipeg girl, she was an State General Agent right? I believe she forged some signatures didn't she?? to be able to work in SK did she not?? She broke the law, and penalized by the insurance authorities of SK. BAD Vernelle!
She certainly made over 45K that year, but by the time she paid her agency and work expenses her NET earnings were not even $1000 a month, her dad had to move her back to MB with her tail between her legs. I happen to be somewhat connected to her folks, and I assure you this is fact. My relatives live in the same area in MB.
She also kicked a Policy Owner out of the office while dropping a claim after an accident, because he happened to be an AIL former agent. I think she was your protege, but if it's true what I did read at the Insurance council bulletin she was not fired for that, she left because she was pregnant by a co-worker that still works for your agency and refuses to take responsability
All this can be expected, before AIL she was a Burguer King employee the bulletin said. REAL management material to deal with Life Insurance.
Life insurance is like a burguer for Altig !
as BK slogan goes " Do it your way! "
It was very interesting reading your "Rebuttal". As you say, perhaps American Income really cares about workers of Unions, and their own people,
I was wondering if you can explain us few things then:
1) Why did you fire your HR representative from Saskatoon?
He was hiring I would say 3 people a week to compensate the 99% turn over at your agency there and still " THE OPPORTUNITY WAS NOT FOR HIM ? "
I am a Policy owner myself an he tried to get me on-board, I know he was an honest guy, He would not hire someone that really did not "want" the opportunity...he was honest he was fired.
He just was not hiring hords of Agents as AIL wanted....
2) If I recall properly, that 19 Y.O. Winnipeg girl, she was an State General Agent right? I believe she forged some signatures didn't she?? to be able to work in SK did she not?? She broke the law, and penalized by the insurance authorities of SK. BAD Vernelle!
She certainly made over 45K that year, but by the time she paid her agency and work expenses her NET earnings were not even $1000 a month, her dad had to move her back to MB with her tail between her legs. I happen to be somewhat connected to her folks, and I assure you this is fact. My relatives live in the same area in MB.
She also kicked a Policy Owner out of the office while dropping a claim after an accident, because he happened to be an AIL former agent. I think she was your protege, but if it's true what I did read at the Insurance council bulletin she was not fired for that, she left because she was pregnant by a co-worker that still works for your agency and refuses to take responsability
All this can be expected, before AIL she was a Burguer King employee the bulletin said. REAL management material to deal with Life Insurance.
Life insurance is like a burguer for Altig !
as BK slogan goes " Do it your way! "
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What's this? #47 UPDATE EX-employee responds
ethical practices?
AUTHOR: Jimmie - (U.S.A.)
SUBMITTED: Sunday, December 03, 2006
POSTED: Thursday, February 10, 2005
In 2.5 years you have not noticed any unethical practices at AIL? Where have you been? Do you think all these people are nuts? Sure one or two make 50K-100K, nobody denies that anyone over that almost certainly at the top of the food chain and making their money off the guys at the bottom starving for leads.
If it is so good why do 91% fail in their first year with AIL? Mr. Sweeney is not the president of the local 277, Becky Turner is. She is worthless and does nothing to help any union members of the 277.
Her phone number and address are not on the union card for a reason. Mr. Sweeney will be hearing about her soon enough.
The discusting talk about the Democrats is a good enough reason to quit. They are the ones who signed into law partial birth abortions. You know when they are pulling the baby out and stick metal through its head killing it, then removing it, like it was not even human. Labor? Yes Billy Clinton, the pot smoking non inhaling fellow that prefers teenagers to his wife signed the Nafta laws that sent so many of our union jobs to Mexico, China and other places like that.
Canadians we see how they treat us lately. Kind of like the French. Keep your politics to yourself, did you notice how much of the map was covered in red, and believe me I'm not happy with Bushes Democratic views of the Mexican border.
You work for the biggest scammers I ever saw, why do you do recruiting every week? Group interviews at that, just like multi level marketing recruiting.
Why stop giving leads to agents who don't want to join management being happy with working 7 nights a week and two days? Tell some one else.
Been there done that, read your contract? Or did they pull from your hands as soon as you signed it?
Do you have to wait 6 months for your 1st bucket check after leaving? Do most agents owe money to the company when they leave? Tell someone else.
Most agents never get another check after leaving. You quote Jesus, what do you think he would say about partial birth abortions?
If it is so good why do 91% fail in their first year with AIL? Mr. Sweeney is not the president of the local 277, Becky Turner is. She is worthless and does nothing to help any union members of the 277.
Her phone number and address are not on the union card for a reason. Mr. Sweeney will be hearing about her soon enough.
The discusting talk about the Democrats is a good enough reason to quit. They are the ones who signed into law partial birth abortions. You know when they are pulling the baby out and stick metal through its head killing it, then removing it, like it was not even human. Labor? Yes Billy Clinton, the pot smoking non inhaling fellow that prefers teenagers to his wife signed the Nafta laws that sent so many of our union jobs to Mexico, China and other places like that.
Canadians we see how they treat us lately. Kind of like the French. Keep your politics to yourself, did you notice how much of the map was covered in red, and believe me I'm not happy with Bushes Democratic views of the Mexican border.
You work for the biggest scammers I ever saw, why do you do recruiting every week? Group interviews at that, just like multi level marketing recruiting.
Why stop giving leads to agents who don't want to join management being happy with working 7 nights a week and two days? Tell some one else.
Been there done that, read your contract? Or did they pull from your hands as soon as you signed it?
Do you have to wait 6 months for your 1st bucket check after leaving? Do most agents owe money to the company when they leave? Tell someone else.
Most agents never get another check after leaving. You quote Jesus, what do you think he would say about partial birth abortions?
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What's this? #48 UPDATE Employee
Oppurtunity is never lost, it just goes to somebody else
AUTHOR: Chad - (Canada)
SUBMITTED: Sunday, December 03, 2006
POSTED: Wednesday, February 09, 2005
I hear many people complaining about AIL and where theres smoke there is usually fire. American Income is made up of aprox. 50 different SGA's or State General Agents. The Company does not tolerate unethical practices. Mostly what I hear is disgruntled people who did not make the most of this oppurtunity. American Income is not for everyone, not everyone can be self discplined enough to drive themselves that is why many people are employees to companies. The vast majority of people need to be told to punch in at 9:00 and to punch out at 5.
If this is you then American Income is not for you. I started with American Income over 2 and a half years ago and have moved all the way up to the RGA position. In the office I started in, last year our lowest earner was in the low $30,000 range. Many made between $60,000 and $80,000, a few over $100,000. Myself I made over $200,000 last year.
American Income is rated A+ superior by A+M Best and for good reason. For those of you who don't know who is the president of the AFL-CIO it is John J Sweeney and he does sit on the AIL Labor Advisory Board. Beside him sit Paul Almeida, President Dept. of Professional Employees and Ronald Ault, President of Metal Trades Dept, AFL-CIO, along with 52 other prominent Labour Leaders.
Former Speaker of The House Jim Wright even sits on the Labour Advisory Board.
American Income supports Labor and has every right to do so. Founder Bernard Rapoport is one of the largest contirbutors to the Democratic Party in the U.S. and that is his right to do so. Many large corporations encourage their employees to vote Republican but I don't hear anyone whining about that.
It makes sense both from a social justice stand point and an economic one for AIL to support Labor. When an anti-labor government such as the Bush administration takes office they immediatly attack workers rights, both union and non-union.
By endorsing Labor and the democrats AIL does not only what is morally right, (protecting workers) but what is economically right for the company. The more workers who are protected and keep their jobs in the U.S. the larger amount of members for AIL to protect with it's products.
I personally have seen AIL's benefits pay out when other insurance companies continued to press for more information before they could make a decision.
Ail representatives are protected by three different unions. OPEIU 277 in the US and by the CEP in Canada and COPE 15 in Western Canada. COPE 15 represents their members very well.
AIL is not multi -level marketing. Multi-level marketing allows the person at the top to get very rich well the people at the bottom make nothing. Many personal producers and career agents with AIL make over $100,000 per year.
When a Manger grows an agency they do it by teaching their asscoiates how to become successful in the business. In any business venture, somebody who grows a company in the size of it's producers gets rewarded and AIL is no different in this aspect.
If you didn't make it at AIL, maybe your training was lacking, maybe you felt like your were all on your own. From my experience in life people generally try to make excuses why they can not succeed.
They blame their upbringing, their boss, their leads, everybody but themselves. AIL is not perfect and people there will make mistakes. Jesus said let he who is with out sin cast the first stone! I wonder how many of you can look in the mirror and say if not some of the blame is your own lack of drive, committment, motivation or self discipline for your lack of success.
Whether with AIL or any futur endeavour I wish you all the best, but when life is done and the taking of your last breeath is upon you, will you not wonder, what if..... you really had of gave eveything in life your all, instead of blaming others.
Chad, MB
If this is you then American Income is not for you. I started with American Income over 2 and a half years ago and have moved all the way up to the RGA position. In the office I started in, last year our lowest earner was in the low $30,000 range. Many made between $60,000 and $80,000, a few over $100,000. Myself I made over $200,000 last year.
American Income is rated A+ superior by A+M Best and for good reason. For those of you who don't know who is the president of the AFL-CIO it is John J Sweeney and he does sit on the AIL Labor Advisory Board. Beside him sit Paul Almeida, President Dept. of Professional Employees and Ronald Ault, President of Metal Trades Dept, AFL-CIO, along with 52 other prominent Labour Leaders.
Former Speaker of The House Jim Wright even sits on the Labour Advisory Board.
American Income supports Labor and has every right to do so. Founder Bernard Rapoport is one of the largest contirbutors to the Democratic Party in the U.S. and that is his right to do so. Many large corporations encourage their employees to vote Republican but I don't hear anyone whining about that.
It makes sense both from a social justice stand point and an economic one for AIL to support Labor. When an anti-labor government such as the Bush administration takes office they immediatly attack workers rights, both union and non-union.
By endorsing Labor and the democrats AIL does not only what is morally right, (protecting workers) but what is economically right for the company. The more workers who are protected and keep their jobs in the U.S. the larger amount of members for AIL to protect with it's products.
I personally have seen AIL's benefits pay out when other insurance companies continued to press for more information before they could make a decision.
Ail representatives are protected by three different unions. OPEIU 277 in the US and by the CEP in Canada and COPE 15 in Western Canada. COPE 15 represents their members very well.
AIL is not multi -level marketing. Multi-level marketing allows the person at the top to get very rich well the people at the bottom make nothing. Many personal producers and career agents with AIL make over $100,000 per year.
When a Manger grows an agency they do it by teaching their asscoiates how to become successful in the business. In any business venture, somebody who grows a company in the size of it's producers gets rewarded and AIL is no different in this aspect.
If you didn't make it at AIL, maybe your training was lacking, maybe you felt like your were all on your own. From my experience in life people generally try to make excuses why they can not succeed.
They blame their upbringing, their boss, their leads, everybody but themselves. AIL is not perfect and people there will make mistakes. Jesus said let he who is with out sin cast the first stone! I wonder how many of you can look in the mirror and say if not some of the blame is your own lack of drive, committment, motivation or self discipline for your lack of success.
Whether with AIL or any futur endeavour I wish you all the best, but when life is done and the taking of your last breeath is upon you, will you not wonder, what if..... you really had of gave eveything in life your all, instead of blaming others.
Chad, MB
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What's this? #49 UPDATE EX-employee responds
AIL Retention percentage and Taxes
AUTHOR: Josh - (Canada)
SUBMITTED: Sunday, December 03, 2006
POSTED: Sunday, February 06, 2005
I used to be an AIL GA but didn't last 3 weeks with those blood suckers.
I am a university grad. and like others more, I did find it hard finding something suitable in my own field of study. However, I did earn some good experience in sales when working part time during my good old school years. Then I thought giving it a try with AIL after receiveing an approval from the local HR manager; in which i regret accepting.
In my BS training period, I always keep hearing about the intigrity of our career and how we are there to help other people out and provide them with benefits that other insurance companies seize to offer.
1) They say that they are the only company that offers a freedom of choice and the union member should accept it because his other life insurance companies wont pay the death benefit uptill a year. Crap..!!! Most insurance companies payout 10% instantly until the claim is settled.
2) I was directly trained in ways how to decieve the client... my trainers were showing me ways in how to express affection and shed tears to gain sympathy... total rip off in my books.
3)I don't consider talking entirely about money issues very professional.
4)If it is true that "Torchmark" is made a $800 M. USD profit last year, why can't they invest more in one solid insurance company, with well trained agents, instead of mothering 5 other life insurance companies to compete with each other.
4)I had to work over 70 hours a week and travel 200km/ day to places I can't see on a map; just to solicitate people in buying extra coverage they don't need.... I rather spend that extra time with my family. waste of money, gas and don't mention all the repairs i did due to all those f*n country roads.
5) following a deceiving script, i was told to be making $50k/ year... I didn't even make $500 in 3 weeks.
6)It is all about recruiting new naive agents, becasue they know they have a low retention level.
I mean.. why can't they even pay a base salary like other insurance companies do? unless they known for sure that there guy won't last.
7)most of the leads i received were from referals of referals whom were not interestred in even talking over the phone with me. Even so, I was able to make an average of 18 appts./week and was so punctuate in organising my agenda. But all what I got was many ABS, not interested... and even ppl using the popular "F" word to chase me out.
8) In the province of Quebec (Canada), you are required by law to perform a "Financial Needs Analysis" before submitting an insurance proposal. We were told not to. You know why..? becasue the products that are offered are all scam... the whole life freedom of choice is nothing but a term insurance...
Finally I decided to leave... but still wasn't left in peace. I recieved a letter from AIL (WACO), telling me to return back $400 CDN that was owed. I guess those were from the policies I sold and fell off... They threatened to add it up to my income tax slip...
IS THIS LEGITIMATE...???????????????
I am on this descussion thread for two reason.
1) To warn job seekers/ consumers about AIL and it's representative in Canada (ALTIG INTL.)
2) To get a clear answer answer from anyone who could help me with this stupid commission pay back issue.
Thanx All,
I am a university grad. and like others more, I did find it hard finding something suitable in my own field of study. However, I did earn some good experience in sales when working part time during my good old school years. Then I thought giving it a try with AIL after receiveing an approval from the local HR manager; in which i regret accepting.
In my BS training period, I always keep hearing about the intigrity of our career and how we are there to help other people out and provide them with benefits that other insurance companies seize to offer.
1) They say that they are the only company that offers a freedom of choice and the union member should accept it because his other life insurance companies wont pay the death benefit uptill a year. Crap..!!! Most insurance companies payout 10% instantly until the claim is settled.
2) I was directly trained in ways how to decieve the client... my trainers were showing me ways in how to express affection and shed tears to gain sympathy... total rip off in my books.
3)I don't consider talking entirely about money issues very professional.
4)If it is true that "Torchmark" is made a $800 M. USD profit last year, why can't they invest more in one solid insurance company, with well trained agents, instead of mothering 5 other life insurance companies to compete with each other.
4)I had to work over 70 hours a week and travel 200km/ day to places I can't see on a map; just to solicitate people in buying extra coverage they don't need.... I rather spend that extra time with my family. waste of money, gas and don't mention all the repairs i did due to all those f*n country roads.
5) following a deceiving script, i was told to be making $50k/ year... I didn't even make $500 in 3 weeks.
6)It is all about recruiting new naive agents, becasue they know they have a low retention level.
I mean.. why can't they even pay a base salary like other insurance companies do? unless they known for sure that there guy won't last.
7)most of the leads i received were from referals of referals whom were not interestred in even talking over the phone with me. Even so, I was able to make an average of 18 appts./week and was so punctuate in organising my agenda. But all what I got was many ABS, not interested... and even ppl using the popular "F" word to chase me out.
8) In the province of Quebec (Canada), you are required by law to perform a "Financial Needs Analysis" before submitting an insurance proposal. We were told not to. You know why..? becasue the products that are offered are all scam... the whole life freedom of choice is nothing but a term insurance...
Finally I decided to leave... but still wasn't left in peace. I recieved a letter from AIL (WACO), telling me to return back $400 CDN that was owed. I guess those were from the policies I sold and fell off... They threatened to add it up to my income tax slip...
IS THIS LEGITIMATE...???????????????
I am on this descussion thread for two reason.
1) To warn job seekers/ consumers about AIL and it's representative in Canada (ALTIG INTL.)
2) To get a clear answer answer from anyone who could help me with this stupid commission pay back issue.
Thanx All,
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What's this? #50 Consumer Suggestion
Fortunately its not me who has to deal with it....
AUTHOR: Frank - (Canada)
SUBMITTED: Sunday, December 03, 2006
POSTED: Thursday, January 27, 2005
Dear Amanda:
It is obvious you believe your husband's agency is great with its employees and clients. I would not doubt that. I believe you are reputable people.
As you admitted, there many agencies ran very differently from one another, unfortunately there are enough quiestionable-ran agencies to make people generalize about AIL's bad reputation.
Having said that, the person that has to "deal with it" is not me, its you....
Thanks to the other non-reputable AIL agencies, you are "dealing with it" everyday, even in this same forum.
Finally, good luck to you and your agency, keep up the honest work, I know its hard to prove your honesty and integrity when many other agencies are not, but at least the people you help will know.
Best Regards,
It is obvious you believe your husband's agency is great with its employees and clients. I would not doubt that. I believe you are reputable people.
As you admitted, there many agencies ran very differently from one another, unfortunately there are enough quiestionable-ran agencies to make people generalize about AIL's bad reputation.
Having said that, the person that has to "deal with it" is not me, its you....
Thanks to the other non-reputable AIL agencies, you are "dealing with it" everyday, even in this same forum.
Finally, good luck to you and your agency, keep up the honest work, I know its hard to prove your honesty and integrity when many other agencies are not, but at least the people you help will know.
Best Regards,
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What's this? #51 UPDATE Employee
we're all biased
AUTHOR: Amanda - (U.S.A.)
SUBMITTED: Sunday, December 03, 2006
POSTED: Wednesday, January 26, 2005
my rebuttal may have been biased, because I find the company to be great, however everyone else here is biased by their experiences with the company as well, so that point is really irrelevant. And I never said that every single office was like my husbands, which is why I directed my comments to darnel...However, you are probably right, there are surely some branches that are not run as well as others, just as there are some branches of at&t that aren't run as well as others, and microsoft, and mcdonalds, and every other company as large as AIL. That's just the way the world works, Deal with it.
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What's this? #52 Consumer Comment
Biosed
AUTHOR: Frank - (Canada)
SUBMITTED: Sunday, December 03, 2006
POSTED: Tuesday, January 25, 2005
Dear Amanda:
I believe your "Rebuttal" is quite biosed, I do not know if you anything to do with the so called ALTIG International. My friend was the HR Manager there, he had a salary, and he was given online tools for recruiting people. Living in a 200,000 people city, after over a year working there were not a lot of "new resumes" available for him to prospect for "new employees" . Because he was only hiring 2 or 3 new people a week an SGA named Chad basically just told him that this opportunity was not for him and gave him his notice since he was not hiring the minimum of 4 agents per week to keep up with the 100% turn over.
Maybe your husband's agency is very honest and upfront and cares about its agents....but the thing is AIL IS A CHAIN OF AGENCIES.. and like the say "A Team is as strong as its weakest member"
I believe your "Rebuttal" is quite biosed, I do not know if you anything to do with the so called ALTIG International. My friend was the HR Manager there, he had a salary, and he was given online tools for recruiting people. Living in a 200,000 people city, after over a year working there were not a lot of "new resumes" available for him to prospect for "new employees" . Because he was only hiring 2 or 3 new people a week an SGA named Chad basically just told him that this opportunity was not for him and gave him his notice since he was not hiring the minimum of 4 agents per week to keep up with the 100% turn over.
Maybe your husband's agency is very honest and upfront and cares about its agents....but the thing is AIL IS A CHAIN OF AGENCIES.. and like the say "A Team is as strong as its weakest member"
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What's this? #53 UPDATE Employee
to darnel; I've heard all about you
AUTHOR: Amanda - (U.S.A.)
SUBMITTED: Sunday, December 03, 2006
POSTED: Monday, January 24, 2005
in response to darnel from springfield...my husband works out of the warwick office, I've met david zophin, his wife, and their new baby at the company christmas party...my husband is also familiar with your history at the comany...you were a part of a team that was let go in its etirety...and honestly if it took you two months to get through the training then you're slow. AIL training requires a state mandated license, for which there is a class, and then a few weeks of training during which you learn what goes on in the office, attend meetings and are given a script to learn...what insurance company would send people out without a script...how would they know what to say? after these tasks are completed you are send to field training, which requires that you make five sales under the supervision of someone else. you then become an agent, the contract starts at 40%, not 26% as some people have stated, with an advance of 65% of that 40%...the rest you get six months later...yes, you are required to drive to work with your own gas and buy your own clothes according to their dress code, which is that of every other company. What company is it exactly that you are familiar with that pays for your gas to get to work and the clothes you wear in addition to your salary?
As for the people who are complaining about how the company makes money off of the people that work there, I would love for them to give me the name of a succesful company that is in the habit of hiring people and paying them for the work that they do when the company itself is not making money off of it. And yes, the parent company probably did make 800,000,000 at least in profit last year...it's a nationwide Fortune 500 company...how much would you say microsoft made in profit last year? yes, the position is comission-based, and so is real estate, and selling cars, and a lot of other things...those aren't scams too are they? there are non-commision based positions within the company however, such as that of david zophin, and the receptionist at my husband's office.
My husband gets about fifty leads a week, and yes, the globe leads are old, but he only has about twenty of those right now out of about 1500 total. As for people who are supposedly getting ripped off when they can get cheaper insurance from state farm, well that's great, then they can go to state farm, nobody is forcing them to buy ail insurance, these are adults. they can make their own decisions...as far as the company being a part of a massive pyramid sceme, this is a company tat was started in 1924...what pyramid scheme lasts that long without being on the news for how they're ripping poeple off?
As for those of you who left the company, or were called and decided against taking the job, that's fine, go find a different job. and darnel, as for the company causing you to 'waste money on food' are you inplying that were you not in training with this particular comany, you would not need to eat, and therefore would not have had to spend money on food...however I seriously doubt that you wasted all that much money on food, since my husband also trained under david zophin's agency, in both RI and MA, and they bought everyone lunch every day, usually out of david's pocket.
As for the people who are complaining about how the company makes money off of the people that work there, I would love for them to give me the name of a succesful company that is in the habit of hiring people and paying them for the work that they do when the company itself is not making money off of it. And yes, the parent company probably did make 800,000,000 at least in profit last year...it's a nationwide Fortune 500 company...how much would you say microsoft made in profit last year? yes, the position is comission-based, and so is real estate, and selling cars, and a lot of other things...those aren't scams too are they? there are non-commision based positions within the company however, such as that of david zophin, and the receptionist at my husband's office.
My husband gets about fifty leads a week, and yes, the globe leads are old, but he only has about twenty of those right now out of about 1500 total. As for people who are supposedly getting ripped off when they can get cheaper insurance from state farm, well that's great, then they can go to state farm, nobody is forcing them to buy ail insurance, these are adults. they can make their own decisions...as far as the company being a part of a massive pyramid sceme, this is a company tat was started in 1924...what pyramid scheme lasts that long without being on the news for how they're ripping poeple off?
As for those of you who left the company, or were called and decided against taking the job, that's fine, go find a different job. and darnel, as for the company causing you to 'waste money on food' are you inplying that were you not in training with this particular comany, you would not need to eat, and therefore would not have had to spend money on food...however I seriously doubt that you wasted all that much money on food, since my husband also trained under david zophin's agency, in both RI and MA, and they bought everyone lunch every day, usually out of david's pocket.
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Stay Away, the union companies have no idea that these are union benefits because THEY ARE NOT!!!
AUTHOR: Matt - (U.S.A.)
SUBMITTED: Sunday, December 03, 2006
POSTED: Wednesday, January 12, 2005
Here is the best advise to this whole message board: STAY AWAY FROM AIL INSURANCE.
I am an ex-independent contractor with them and a current union worker. These so-called benefits are not talked about in union meetings, the union companies have no idea that these are union benefits because THEY ARE NOT!!! I wasted time and effort trying to sell to my union brothers. Boy was I embarrassed when I found out how worthless this company is.
I am an ex-independent contractor with them and a current union worker. These so-called benefits are not talked about in union meetings, the union companies have no idea that these are union benefits because THEY ARE NOT!!! I wasted time and effort trying to sell to my union brothers. Boy was I embarrassed when I found out how worthless this company is.
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What's this? #55 UPDATE EX-employee responds
Stay Away, the union companies have no idea that these are union benefits because THEY ARE NOT!!!
AUTHOR: Matt - (U.S.A.)
SUBMITTED: Sunday, December 03, 2006
POSTED: Wednesday, January 12, 2005
Here is the best advise to this whole message board: STAY AWAY FROM AIL INSURANCE.
I am an ex-independent contractor with them and a current union worker. These so-called benefits are not talked about in union meetings, the union companies have no idea that these are union benefits because THEY ARE NOT!!! I wasted time and effort trying to sell to my union brothers. Boy was I embarrassed when I found out how worthless this company is.
I am an ex-independent contractor with them and a current union worker. These so-called benefits are not talked about in union meetings, the union companies have no idea that these are union benefits because THEY ARE NOT!!! I wasted time and effort trying to sell to my union brothers. Boy was I embarrassed when I found out how worthless this company is.
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What's this? #56 UPDATE EX-employee responds
Stay Away, the union companies have no idea that these are union benefits because THEY ARE NOT!!!
AUTHOR: Matt - (U.S.A.)
SUBMITTED: Sunday, December 03, 2006
POSTED: Wednesday, January 12, 2005
Here is the best advise to this whole message board: STAY AWAY FROM AIL INSURANCE.
I am an ex-independent contractor with them and a current union worker. These so-called benefits are not talked about in union meetings, the union companies have no idea that these are union benefits because THEY ARE NOT!!! I wasted time and effort trying to sell to my union brothers. Boy was I embarrassed when I found out how worthless this company is.
I am an ex-independent contractor with them and a current union worker. These so-called benefits are not talked about in union meetings, the union companies have no idea that these are union benefits because THEY ARE NOT!!! I wasted time and effort trying to sell to my union brothers. Boy was I embarrassed when I found out how worthless this company is.
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What's this? #57 UPDATE EX-employee responds
Stay Away, the union companies have no idea that these are union benefits because THEY ARE NOT!!!
AUTHOR: Matt - (U.S.A.)
SUBMITTED: Sunday, December 03, 2006
POSTED: Wednesday, January 12, 2005
Here is the best advise to this whole message board: STAY AWAY FROM AIL INSURANCE.
I am an ex-independent contractor with them and a current union worker. These so-called benefits are not talked about in union meetings, the union companies have no idea that these are union benefits because THEY ARE NOT!!! I wasted time and effort trying to sell to my union brothers. Boy was I embarrassed when I found out how worthless this company is.
I am an ex-independent contractor with them and a current union worker. These so-called benefits are not talked about in union meetings, the union companies have no idea that these are union benefits because THEY ARE NOT!!! I wasted time and effort trying to sell to my union brothers. Boy was I embarrassed when I found out how worthless this company is.
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What's this? #58 UPDATE EX-employee responds
Barbara, I was looking for your success in the Spotlight
AUTHOR: Tim - (U.S.A.)
SUBMITTED: Sunday, December 03, 2006
POSTED: Friday, December 10, 2004
I got a new spotlight from a friend of mine who is still working there so I could confirm if in fact you have a supervisor position in the Cleveland area. Guess what I found? No leadership bonus for anyone named Barbara this month in the whole company, and only one bonus for a woman named Barbara for a mere $458.72 from the entire company, certainly nothing to write home about. Don't know or care if that is you but I was hoping to see a supervisors bonus with a name of Barbara for at least $2000-$3000. If you were a successful leader your bonus would be in that range and you would be listed in both sections. As for your so-called boss who is too ill to perform his easy money job any longer I don't believe him either. Anyone can check these facts, most won't, I did. I agree with you on one thing, there are a lot of lies from people throwing in their two cents worth. Makes me wonder if your supervisors asked you to tell stories like this to get some more new recruits to try a career at AIL. I heard they are hiring. Good luck with the recruiting!
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Barbara, I was looking for your success in the Spotlight
AUTHOR: Tim - (U.S.A.)
SUBMITTED: Sunday, December 03, 2006
POSTED: Friday, December 10, 2004
I got a new spotlight from a friend of mine who is still working there so I could confirm if in fact you have a supervisor position in the Cleveland area. Guess what I found? No leadership bonus for anyone named Barbara this month in the whole company, and only one bonus for a woman named Barbara for a mere $458.72 from the entire company, certainly nothing to write home about. Don't know or care if that is you but I was hoping to see a supervisors bonus with a name of Barbara for at least $2000-$3000. If you were a successful leader your bonus would be in that range and you would be listed in both sections. As for your so-called boss who is too ill to perform his easy money job any longer I don't believe him either. Anyone can check these facts, most won't, I did. I agree with you on one thing, there are a lot of lies from people throwing in their two cents worth. Makes me wonder if your supervisors asked you to tell stories like this to get some more new recruits to try a career at AIL. I heard they are hiring. Good luck with the recruiting!
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Barbara, I was looking for your success in the Spotlight
AUTHOR: Tim - (U.S.A.)
SUBMITTED: Sunday, December 03, 2006
POSTED: Friday, December 10, 2004
I got a new spotlight from a friend of mine who is still working there so I could confirm if in fact you have a supervisor position in the Cleveland area. Guess what I found? No leadership bonus for anyone named Barbara this month in the whole company, and only one bonus for a woman named Barbara for a mere $458.72 from the entire company, certainly nothing to write home about. Don't know or care if that is you but I was hoping to see a supervisors bonus with a name of Barbara for at least $2000-$3000. If you were a successful leader your bonus would be in that range and you would be listed in both sections. As for your so-called boss who is too ill to perform his easy money job any longer I don't believe him either. Anyone can check these facts, most won't, I did. I agree with you on one thing, there are a lot of lies from people throwing in their two cents worth. Makes me wonder if your supervisors asked you to tell stories like this to get some more new recruits to try a career at AIL. I heard they are hiring. Good luck with the recruiting!
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What's this? #61 UPDATE EX-employee responds
Barbara, I was looking for your success in the Spotlight
AUTHOR: Tim - (U.S.A.)
SUBMITTED: Sunday, December 03, 2006
POSTED: Friday, December 10, 2004
I got a new spotlight from a friend of mine who is still working there so I could confirm if in fact you have a supervisor position in the Cleveland area. Guess what I found? No leadership bonus for anyone named Barbara this month in the whole company, and only one bonus for a woman named Barbara for a mere $458.72 from the entire company, certainly nothing to write home about. Don't know or care if that is you but I was hoping to see a supervisors bonus with a name of Barbara for at least $2000-$3000. If you were a successful leader your bonus would be in that range and you would be listed in both sections. As for your so-called boss who is too ill to perform his easy money job any longer I don't believe him either. Anyone can check these facts, most won't, I did. I agree with you on one thing, there are a lot of lies from people throwing in their two cents worth. Makes me wonder if your supervisors asked you to tell stories like this to get some more new recruits to try a career at AIL. I heard they are hiring. Good luck with the recruiting!
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What's this? #62 UPDATE EX-employee responds
Hey Brian, get even with those pesky telemarketers
AUTHOR: Tim - (U.S.A.)
SUBMITTED: Sunday, December 03, 2006
POSTED: Friday, December 10, 2004
Just to let you know you can request to be put on a do not call list and if they don't follow that they can get in a financial mess. The insurance company has its own DNC list as well as the Federal DNC list at
http://www. donotcall.gov/ , its a nice thing. Your no cost benefits are in effect as long as you are in the union or retired from the union, the supplemental options are the reason they would like to sit at your table, some of them are good you may want a financial advisor to look them over and you have a significant time period to read them over and cancel parts or all of what they offer. Most don't. Most should. One question you may ask would be, am I buying one policy or two? Oh, by the way your free benefits are in effect regardless of your designating your beneficiary in front of an enrollment officer (commision only salesman plus possibly small amount towards medical benefits) or not.
If someone in your family dies accidently or becomes dismembered call your union. Another great way to stop anonymous dinner time calls is to activate a free service with your phone company called "Anonymous Call Rejection" locally you activate it here by pushing *77, may be different in your area, look in the front of your phone book for details.
Most telemarketers use *67 "per-call Restrict" so that their phone number does not show up on your caller I.D. It does not matter if you have caller I.D. or not, if they are not willing to let you know who is calling, your phone will not ring, instead they get a recording saying this customer does not accept anonymous calls. It will eliminate some jerk bothering you at dinner time on a Sunday night between 4-9 PM, like we were forced to do, as well as the rest of the week. Hope this helps anyone who may read this.
Have a Great Christmas.
http://www. donotcall.gov/ , its a nice thing. Your no cost benefits are in effect as long as you are in the union or retired from the union, the supplemental options are the reason they would like to sit at your table, some of them are good you may want a financial advisor to look them over and you have a significant time period to read them over and cancel parts or all of what they offer. Most don't. Most should. One question you may ask would be, am I buying one policy or two? Oh, by the way your free benefits are in effect regardless of your designating your beneficiary in front of an enrollment officer (commision only salesman plus possibly small amount towards medical benefits) or not.
If someone in your family dies accidently or becomes dismembered call your union. Another great way to stop anonymous dinner time calls is to activate a free service with your phone company called "Anonymous Call Rejection" locally you activate it here by pushing *77, may be different in your area, look in the front of your phone book for details.
Most telemarketers use *67 "per-call Restrict" so that their phone number does not show up on your caller I.D. It does not matter if you have caller I.D. or not, if they are not willing to let you know who is calling, your phone will not ring, instead they get a recording saying this customer does not accept anonymous calls. It will eliminate some jerk bothering you at dinner time on a Sunday night between 4-9 PM, like we were forced to do, as well as the rest of the week. Hope this helps anyone who may read this.
Have a Great Christmas.
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What's this? #63 UPDATE Employee
brian
AUTHOR: Barbara - (U.S.A.)
SUBMITTED: Sunday, December 03, 2006
POSTED: Thursday, December 09, 2004
I didn't attack you. But think what you want. Everybody's entitled to their own opinion and I know I'm a good person and so do my clients. So whatever. I don't care about this site anymore. It's a waste of time and it's a bunch of lies.
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What's this? #64 Consumer Comment
Time to spread the news
AUTHOR: Brian - (U.S.A.)
SUBMITTED: Sunday, December 03, 2006
POSTED: Wednesday, December 08, 2004
Barbara, FYI I was a union member for several years. An employee or policy holder I'm not and would not waste my money on a garbage policy.
As far as my not knowing what I'm talking about, well I don't claim to know everything about AIL and could care less about knowing. TIM pretty much summmed it all up in his previous post and confirmed my assumptions.
Union workers work very hard for the little bit of compensation they receive. To make matters worse, those in trade organizations or overall blue collar workers live in a "feast or famine" economy. They certainly don't like being ripped off by some makeshift insurance policy. I'll be sure to inform my union business agent of this website and have him call upon our brothers in the Cleveland area, alerting them to AIL and their policies. If I have anything to say about it, those so-called "renewals" will become YOUR pipe dream. NOW you can call THIS an ugly rebuttle, unlike my previous ones where I was trying to be courteous before you decided to attack me, implying that I'm stupid. We'll see who looks stupid eventually. And about my having nothing better to do with my time, this is the ONLY rebuttle report I've answered to and it don't take me near as much time as I plan to spend talking this over with the Local union.
It is funny how those in management would prefer to get rid of a 2 year agent as opposed to a new recruit. You see, that means more money in their pocket since they absord the renewals so it pays to squeeze out those in the upper tier of the FOOD CHAIN. So Barbara, don't go having too many high hopes of retirement, at least not with AIL. Your boss may be gunning for you in the near future. Just think of the renewal fees he'll absorb??? Remember, its nothing personal, its business.
Gee, those 20 appointments/week could be a hard task to perform, especially when your job is at stake and the SGA keeps that in the back of his mind.
I ONLY wish AIL's local chapter would stop calling me in for an appointment. I've had several different RECRUITERS call me over the past week.
As far as my not knowing what I'm talking about, well I don't claim to know everything about AIL and could care less about knowing. TIM pretty much summmed it all up in his previous post and confirmed my assumptions.
Union workers work very hard for the little bit of compensation they receive. To make matters worse, those in trade organizations or overall blue collar workers live in a "feast or famine" economy. They certainly don't like being ripped off by some makeshift insurance policy. I'll be sure to inform my union business agent of this website and have him call upon our brothers in the Cleveland area, alerting them to AIL and their policies. If I have anything to say about it, those so-called "renewals" will become YOUR pipe dream. NOW you can call THIS an ugly rebuttle, unlike my previous ones where I was trying to be courteous before you decided to attack me, implying that I'm stupid. We'll see who looks stupid eventually. And about my having nothing better to do with my time, this is the ONLY rebuttle report I've answered to and it don't take me near as much time as I plan to spend talking this over with the Local union.
It is funny how those in management would prefer to get rid of a 2 year agent as opposed to a new recruit. You see, that means more money in their pocket since they absord the renewals so it pays to squeeze out those in the upper tier of the FOOD CHAIN. So Barbara, don't go having too many high hopes of retirement, at least not with AIL. Your boss may be gunning for you in the near future. Just think of the renewal fees he'll absorb??? Remember, its nothing personal, its business.
Gee, those 20 appointments/week could be a hard task to perform, especially when your job is at stake and the SGA keeps that in the back of his mind.
I ONLY wish AIL's local chapter would stop calling me in for an appointment. I've had several different RECRUITERS call me over the past week.
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What's this? #65 Consumer Comment
Time to spread the news
AUTHOR: Brian - (U.S.A.)
SUBMITTED: Sunday, December 03, 2006
POSTED: Wednesday, December 08, 2004
Barbara, FYI I was a union member for several years. An employee or policy holder I'm not and would not waste my money on a garbage policy.
As far as my not knowing what I'm talking about, well I don't claim to know everything about AIL and could care less about knowing. TIM pretty much summmed it all up in his previous post and confirmed my assumptions.
Union workers work very hard for the little bit of compensation they receive. To make matters worse, those in trade organizations or overall blue collar workers live in a "feast or famine" economy. They certainly don't like being ripped off by some makeshift insurance policy. I'll be sure to inform my union business agent of this website and have him call upon our brothers in the Cleveland area, alerting them to AIL and their policies. If I have anything to say about it, those so-called "renewals" will become YOUR pipe dream. NOW you can call THIS an ugly rebuttle, unlike my previous ones where I was trying to be courteous before you decided to attack me, implying that I'm stupid. We'll see who looks stupid eventually. And about my having nothing better to do with my time, this is the ONLY rebuttle report I've answered to and it don't take me near as much time as I plan to spend talking this over with the Local union.
It is funny how those in management would prefer to get rid of a 2 year agent as opposed to a new recruit. You see, that means more money in their pocket since they absord the renewals so it pays to squeeze out those in the upper tier of the FOOD CHAIN. So Barbara, don't go having too many high hopes of retirement, at least not with AIL. Your boss may be gunning for you in the near future. Just think of the renewal fees he'll absorb??? Remember, its nothing personal, its business.
Gee, those 20 appointments/week could be a hard task to perform, especially when your job is at stake and the SGA keeps that in the back of his mind.
I ONLY wish AIL's local chapter would stop calling me in for an appointment. I've had several different RECRUITERS call me over the past week.
As far as my not knowing what I'm talking about, well I don't claim to know everything about AIL and could care less about knowing. TIM pretty much summmed it all up in his previous post and confirmed my assumptions.
Union workers work very hard for the little bit of compensation they receive. To make matters worse, those in trade organizations or overall blue collar workers live in a "feast or famine" economy. They certainly don't like being ripped off by some makeshift insurance policy. I'll be sure to inform my union business agent of this website and have him call upon our brothers in the Cleveland area, alerting them to AIL and their policies. If I have anything to say about it, those so-called "renewals" will become YOUR pipe dream. NOW you can call THIS an ugly rebuttle, unlike my previous ones where I was trying to be courteous before you decided to attack me, implying that I'm stupid. We'll see who looks stupid eventually. And about my having nothing better to do with my time, this is the ONLY rebuttle report I've answered to and it don't take me near as much time as I plan to spend talking this over with the Local union.
It is funny how those in management would prefer to get rid of a 2 year agent as opposed to a new recruit. You see, that means more money in their pocket since they absord the renewals so it pays to squeeze out those in the upper tier of the FOOD CHAIN. So Barbara, don't go having too many high hopes of retirement, at least not with AIL. Your boss may be gunning for you in the near future. Just think of the renewal fees he'll absorb??? Remember, its nothing personal, its business.
Gee, those 20 appointments/week could be a hard task to perform, especially when your job is at stake and the SGA keeps that in the back of his mind.
I ONLY wish AIL's local chapter would stop calling me in for an appointment. I've had several different RECRUITERS call me over the past week.
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What's this? #66 Consumer Comment
Time to spread the news
AUTHOR: Brian - (U.S.A.)
SUBMITTED: Sunday, December 03, 2006
POSTED: Wednesday, December 08, 2004
Barbara, FYI I was a union member for several years. An employee or policy holder I'm not and would not waste my money on a garbage policy.
As far as my not knowing what I'm talking about, well I don't claim to know everything about AIL and could care less about knowing. TIM pretty much summmed it all up in his previous post and confirmed my assumptions.
Union workers work very hard for the little bit of compensation they receive. To make matters worse, those in trade organizations or overall blue collar workers live in a "feast or famine" economy. They certainly don't like being ripped off by some makeshift insurance policy. I'll be sure to inform my union business agent of this website and have him call upon our brothers in the Cleveland area, alerting them to AIL and their policies. If I have anything to say about it, those so-called "renewals" will become YOUR pipe dream. NOW you can call THIS an ugly rebuttle, unlike my previous ones where I was trying to be courteous before you decided to attack me, implying that I'm stupid. We'll see who looks stupid eventually. And about my having nothing better to do with my time, this is the ONLY rebuttle report I've answered to and it don't take me near as much time as I plan to spend talking this over with the Local union.
It is funny how those in management would prefer to get rid of a 2 year agent as opposed to a new recruit. You see, that means more money in their pocket since they absord the renewals so it pays to squeeze out those in the upper tier of the FOOD CHAIN. So Barbara, don't go having too many high hopes of retirement, at least not with AIL. Your boss may be gunning for you in the near future. Just think of the renewal fees he'll absorb??? Remember, its nothing personal, its business.
Gee, those 20 appointments/week could be a hard task to perform, especially when your job is at stake and the SGA keeps that in the back of his mind.
I ONLY wish AIL's local chapter would stop calling me in for an appointment. I've had several different RECRUITERS call me over the past week.
As far as my not knowing what I'm talking about, well I don't claim to know everything about AIL and could care less about knowing. TIM pretty much summmed it all up in his previous post and confirmed my assumptions.
Union workers work very hard for the little bit of compensation they receive. To make matters worse, those in trade organizations or overall blue collar workers live in a "feast or famine" economy. They certainly don't like being ripped off by some makeshift insurance policy. I'll be sure to inform my union business agent of this website and have him call upon our brothers in the Cleveland area, alerting them to AIL and their policies. If I have anything to say about it, those so-called "renewals" will become YOUR pipe dream. NOW you can call THIS an ugly rebuttle, unlike my previous ones where I was trying to be courteous before you decided to attack me, implying that I'm stupid. We'll see who looks stupid eventually. And about my having nothing better to do with my time, this is the ONLY rebuttle report I've answered to and it don't take me near as much time as I plan to spend talking this over with the Local union.
It is funny how those in management would prefer to get rid of a 2 year agent as opposed to a new recruit. You see, that means more money in their pocket since they absord the renewals so it pays to squeeze out those in the upper tier of the FOOD CHAIN. So Barbara, don't go having too many high hopes of retirement, at least not with AIL. Your boss may be gunning for you in the near future. Just think of the renewal fees he'll absorb??? Remember, its nothing personal, its business.
Gee, those 20 appointments/week could be a hard task to perform, especially when your job is at stake and the SGA keeps that in the back of his mind.
I ONLY wish AIL's local chapter would stop calling me in for an appointment. I've had several different RECRUITERS call me over the past week.
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What's this? #67 Consumer Comment
Time to spread the news
AUTHOR: Brian - (U.S.A.)
SUBMITTED: Sunday, December 03, 2006
POSTED: Wednesday, December 08, 2004
Barbara, FYI I was a union member for several years. An employee or policy holder I'm not and would not waste my money on a garbage policy.
As far as my not knowing what I'm talking about, well I don't claim to know everything about AIL and could care less about knowing. TIM pretty much summmed it all up in his previous post and confirmed my assumptions.
Union workers work very hard for the little bit of compensation they receive. To make matters worse, those in trade organizations or overall blue collar workers live in a "feast or famine" economy. They certainly don't like being ripped off by some makeshift insurance policy. I'll be sure to inform my union business agent of this website and have him call upon our brothers in the Cleveland area, alerting them to AIL and their policies. If I have anything to say about it, those so-called "renewals" will become YOUR pipe dream. NOW you can call THIS an ugly rebuttle, unlike my previous ones where I was trying to be courteous before you decided to attack me, implying that I'm stupid. We'll see who looks stupid eventually. And about my having nothing better to do with my time, this is the ONLY rebuttle report I've answered to and it don't take me near as much time as I plan to spend talking this over with the Local union.
It is funny how those in management would prefer to get rid of a 2 year agent as opposed to a new recruit. You see, that means more money in their pocket since they absord the renewals so it pays to squeeze out those in the upper tier of the FOOD CHAIN. So Barbara, don't go having too many high hopes of retirement, at least not with AIL. Your boss may be gunning for you in the near future. Just think of the renewal fees he'll absorb??? Remember, its nothing personal, its business.
Gee, those 20 appointments/week could be a hard task to perform, especially when your job is at stake and the SGA keeps that in the back of his mind.
I ONLY wish AIL's local chapter would stop calling me in for an appointment. I've had several different RECRUITERS call me over the past week.
As far as my not knowing what I'm talking about, well I don't claim to know everything about AIL and could care less about knowing. TIM pretty much summmed it all up in his previous post and confirmed my assumptions.
Union workers work very hard for the little bit of compensation they receive. To make matters worse, those in trade organizations or overall blue collar workers live in a "feast or famine" economy. They certainly don't like being ripped off by some makeshift insurance policy. I'll be sure to inform my union business agent of this website and have him call upon our brothers in the Cleveland area, alerting them to AIL and their policies. If I have anything to say about it, those so-called "renewals" will become YOUR pipe dream. NOW you can call THIS an ugly rebuttle, unlike my previous ones where I was trying to be courteous before you decided to attack me, implying that I'm stupid. We'll see who looks stupid eventually. And about my having nothing better to do with my time, this is the ONLY rebuttle report I've answered to and it don't take me near as much time as I plan to spend talking this over with the Local union.
It is funny how those in management would prefer to get rid of a 2 year agent as opposed to a new recruit. You see, that means more money in their pocket since they absord the renewals so it pays to squeeze out those in the upper tier of the FOOD CHAIN. So Barbara, don't go having too many high hopes of retirement, at least not with AIL. Your boss may be gunning for you in the near future. Just think of the renewal fees he'll absorb??? Remember, its nothing personal, its business.
Gee, those 20 appointments/week could be a hard task to perform, especially when your job is at stake and the SGA keeps that in the back of his mind.
I ONLY wish AIL's local chapter would stop calling me in for an appointment. I've had several different RECRUITERS call me over the past week.
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What's this? #68 UPDATE Employee
this has got to be my last entry!
AUTHOR: Barbara - (U.S.A.)
SUBMITTED: Sunday, December 03, 2006
POSTED: Monday, December 06, 2004
Okay... Tim, I understand all of what you are saying but I have to tell you, that is not how it is in Cleveland. We have a fantastic PR department who is always in the Spotlight. They are constantly signing up new groups. I think that maybe all this stuff that you are mad about may only exist in your agency. I have always had at least 100 new union leads a week to call on. None of which are Globes. I get a few ABS but not a lot. Now I know why I'm always hearing from agents around the country how spoiled we are.
As for your accident thing...we did not stop our benefit. That again must just be your area. Geez, I really am spoiled! If that's what was going on, then i am sorry. But I have not seen that or experienced it. I must have got into the best agency in AIL.
I love my SGA. He doesn't have a bad bone in his body and has bent backwards for me numerous times. My managers too. Our agency is very tightknit. I am a GA and I really do care about my agents.
Yes, John Sweeney is the President of the AFL-CIO. That's what I said.
No, we've not been asked to stop calling any unions. I'm not sure why your agency was.
I don't know why you went sooo long without fresh leads. I don't have that problem. It has NEVER happened to me EVER. Not even a week.
I understand what you are saying about giving a successful agent the fresh leads and I'm sorry that you dealt with that. My SGA isn't like that. I'm sure there is some reason for it though. Maybe your SGA thought that was the best thing to do.
All I can say is that you must be in a totally different world than we are in Cleveland and I feel more fortunate than ever that that's where I started and that's where I'll stay.
So Thank You and have a nice holiday.
As for your accident thing...we did not stop our benefit. That again must just be your area. Geez, I really am spoiled! If that's what was going on, then i am sorry. But I have not seen that or experienced it. I must have got into the best agency in AIL.
I love my SGA. He doesn't have a bad bone in his body and has bent backwards for me numerous times. My managers too. Our agency is very tightknit. I am a GA and I really do care about my agents.
Yes, John Sweeney is the President of the AFL-CIO. That's what I said.
No, we've not been asked to stop calling any unions. I'm not sure why your agency was.
I don't know why you went sooo long without fresh leads. I don't have that problem. It has NEVER happened to me EVER. Not even a week.
I understand what you are saying about giving a successful agent the fresh leads and I'm sorry that you dealt with that. My SGA isn't like that. I'm sure there is some reason for it though. Maybe your SGA thought that was the best thing to do.
All I can say is that you must be in a totally different world than we are in Cleveland and I feel more fortunate than ever that that's where I started and that's where I'll stay.
So Thank You and have a nice holiday.
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What's this? #69 UPDATE EX-employee responds
correction on recuperation
AUTHOR: Tim - (U.S.A.)
SUBMITTED: Sunday, December 03, 2006
POSTED: Monday, December 06, 2004
The recuperation benefit is $100 per week not per month with many requirements to collect it and max out at 6 months. Only after being released from an overnight hospital stay.
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What's this? #70 UPDATE EX-employee responds
Facts for Barbara
AUTHOR: Tim - (U.S.A.)
SUBMITTED: Sunday, December 03, 2006
POSTED: Monday, December 06, 2004
Barbara,
I feel sorry for you. I'm glad you say you love your job but you seem so worried that this may all be true. I've lost countless hours of sleep because the stress this jobs put on me and my family, I suspect on you have also. That facts are facts,
1. AIL/NILICO have been told not to call or work with the United Auto Workers (a big union)in many areas.
2. AIL/NILICO have been told not to call or work with the SEIU 200 a huge union in NYS, the State employees union.
3. AIL/NILICO have been told not to call The NYS Nurses Association a huge group we used to work with.
4. AIL/NILICO has been told not to call the fesderal credit union 424 for the UNITED AUTO WORKERS.
5. We were told by our PR rep and our SGA that we lost a lot of possible unions because of this site and the reputation we built by doing business the way we do. How many have you lost in your area? How do you think I heard about this site, told by another agent that our SGA brought it up in a meeting.
6. As we continue to lose unions and not replace them with new ones the effective leads do dry up. I was promised union leads every 2 weeks when I was hired and many times went 2-3 months with none, while at the same time leads were given to first year agents. Towards the end I would be lucky to get 27 leads to last me for 2 months, and expected to set at least 20 appointments a week. Out of the 27 leads, 2 or 3 would be duplicates, many ABS (already been seen) in the last month or two. Many were too old to sell anything to or a WL funeral benefit at best. The leads were left over cherry picked from an agent that quit the week before. Some of the 27 did not want to be seen by a salesman (enrollment officer). At least a few were Globe cold calls. Many had seen it three or more times before and told me I have seen it and don't want it now or ever. If not for referrals where can you get the other 133 appointments during that 2 months that are expected? Remember 20 appointments per week minimum?
7. I believe Mr. Sweeney is the national president of the AFL-CIO not the local 277.
8. Most agents don't file grievences because they don't know where to begin.
9. Can you think of one good reason not to give leads to an agent that has bonused almost every month and won convention? Someone dedicated and successful by all of AIL's standards many times doubling their expectations? Someone who worked 7 days a week about 80-90 hours average?
10. I did take the time to read all the rebuttals, I agree with many not not all with others, anyone afraid of spending some money to get a license should not be thinking of a sales position. If AIL/ NILICO was not mostly in the recruiting business they would offer to pay minimum wage to trainees that they thought actually had potential, not a dime, not even a lunch. If they had to invest even minimum wage in their trainees there would be a lot less of them. I here the managers laugh about the recruits regularly and take bets as to how long they will last. Our MGA bragged that his record was losing 8 agents in one week. They all quit but he also threatens to fire others.
11. Barbara, I do not mean to attack you, merely point out to any prospective recruits this is a multi level recruiting plan near the end and not a good choice for most people who try and point out the fact that they will be lied to and misrepresented from the first contact with this company until their last day with this company.
12. If all of this is untrue why do you suppose our SGA announced several times that the national average of agent retention dropped from 12% to 9% lasting one full year? Are 91% of the agents that bad or did they knowingly and willingly hire people they knew had no chance? More troubling to me is after I proved myself why did they starve me for leads while giving leads to the new agents just hired? Don't you think they want second year agents out who did not want to be managers who did not want to hurt families that I have seen sucked into to this pyramid? I was asked to join the management and declined because I thought they were the worst managed company I had ever seen and many managers wispered in my ear that that was the biggest mistake they made, joining managent. Some call recruits (anyone who posts on Monster.c*m) and tell them that they are one of the hiring managers.
13. If you can answer each of these points instead of cherry picking the parts you want to respond to you would look more believable to new recruits. I doubt any possible recruit would ever try after reading any of these rebuttals from any of these employees or ex employees.
14. The unions themselves are being screwed by being presented with pretty good benefits to get them enrolled in a new area like NYS, then after three years the company that brags about making a hundred million per year cries about losing almost a million in $200 accident claims this year so dropped that part of our program. Were all the unions that still work with NILICO notified that what most union members found the most attractive part of the program was eliminated while the rates were raised. A member used to get $200 for an emergency visit and now on the new more expensive program they get zero. Wow! Not a penny for an accident! Wait till the unions figure this out. Average 40-50 per month for a small WL funeral benefit, a small amount of ADB, a hospitalizaion benefit that pays NYS members nothing unles you are admitted over night, and a lousy $100 month recuperation fee. Do you think shoppers might find a better deal elsewhere?
It is no wonder I can't sleep at night thinking about this garbage, when I got the point I could not look in the mirror I had say that is enough.
I used to justify it the way you do by saying look at all the people we helped, and besides they were to stupid to shop elsewhere anyways. Now that they took the accident benefit away how could anyone justify it? Would you buy that program or sell it to a relative the way we sell to union members? We all know the answer is NO!
Merry Christmas and Happy New Year!
I feel sorry for you. I'm glad you say you love your job but you seem so worried that this may all be true. I've lost countless hours of sleep because the stress this jobs put on me and my family, I suspect on you have also. That facts are facts,
1. AIL/NILICO have been told not to call or work with the United Auto Workers (a big union)in many areas.
2. AIL/NILICO have been told not to call or work with the SEIU 200 a huge union in NYS, the State employees union.
3. AIL/NILICO have been told not to call The NYS Nurses Association a huge group we used to work with.
4. AIL/NILICO has been told not to call the fesderal credit union 424 for the UNITED AUTO WORKERS.
5. We were told by our PR rep and our SGA that we lost a lot of possible unions because of this site and the reputation we built by doing business the way we do. How many have you lost in your area? How do you think I heard about this site, told by another agent that our SGA brought it up in a meeting.
6. As we continue to lose unions and not replace them with new ones the effective leads do dry up. I was promised union leads every 2 weeks when I was hired and many times went 2-3 months with none, while at the same time leads were given to first year agents. Towards the end I would be lucky to get 27 leads to last me for 2 months, and expected to set at least 20 appointments a week. Out of the 27 leads, 2 or 3 would be duplicates, many ABS (already been seen) in the last month or two. Many were too old to sell anything to or a WL funeral benefit at best. The leads were left over cherry picked from an agent that quit the week before. Some of the 27 did not want to be seen by a salesman (enrollment officer). At least a few were Globe cold calls. Many had seen it three or more times before and told me I have seen it and don't want it now or ever. If not for referrals where can you get the other 133 appointments during that 2 months that are expected? Remember 20 appointments per week minimum?
7. I believe Mr. Sweeney is the national president of the AFL-CIO not the local 277.
8. Most agents don't file grievences because they don't know where to begin.
9. Can you think of one good reason not to give leads to an agent that has bonused almost every month and won convention? Someone dedicated and successful by all of AIL's standards many times doubling their expectations? Someone who worked 7 days a week about 80-90 hours average?
10. I did take the time to read all the rebuttals, I agree with many not not all with others, anyone afraid of spending some money to get a license should not be thinking of a sales position. If AIL/ NILICO was not mostly in the recruiting business they would offer to pay minimum wage to trainees that they thought actually had potential, not a dime, not even a lunch. If they had to invest even minimum wage in their trainees there would be a lot less of them. I here the managers laugh about the recruits regularly and take bets as to how long they will last. Our MGA bragged that his record was losing 8 agents in one week. They all quit but he also threatens to fire others.
11. Barbara, I do not mean to attack you, merely point out to any prospective recruits this is a multi level recruiting plan near the end and not a good choice for most people who try and point out the fact that they will be lied to and misrepresented from the first contact with this company until their last day with this company.
12. If all of this is untrue why do you suppose our SGA announced several times that the national average of agent retention dropped from 12% to 9% lasting one full year? Are 91% of the agents that bad or did they knowingly and willingly hire people they knew had no chance? More troubling to me is after I proved myself why did they starve me for leads while giving leads to the new agents just hired? Don't you think they want second year agents out who did not want to be managers who did not want to hurt families that I have seen sucked into to this pyramid? I was asked to join the management and declined because I thought they were the worst managed company I had ever seen and many managers wispered in my ear that that was the biggest mistake they made, joining managent. Some call recruits (anyone who posts on Monster.c*m) and tell them that they are one of the hiring managers.
13. If you can answer each of these points instead of cherry picking the parts you want to respond to you would look more believable to new recruits. I doubt any possible recruit would ever try after reading any of these rebuttals from any of these employees or ex employees.
14. The unions themselves are being screwed by being presented with pretty good benefits to get them enrolled in a new area like NYS, then after three years the company that brags about making a hundred million per year cries about losing almost a million in $200 accident claims this year so dropped that part of our program. Were all the unions that still work with NILICO notified that what most union members found the most attractive part of the program was eliminated while the rates were raised. A member used to get $200 for an emergency visit and now on the new more expensive program they get zero. Wow! Not a penny for an accident! Wait till the unions figure this out. Average 40-50 per month for a small WL funeral benefit, a small amount of ADB, a hospitalizaion benefit that pays NYS members nothing unles you are admitted over night, and a lousy $100 month recuperation fee. Do you think shoppers might find a better deal elsewhere?
It is no wonder I can't sleep at night thinking about this garbage, when I got the point I could not look in the mirror I had say that is enough.
I used to justify it the way you do by saying look at all the people we helped, and besides they were to stupid to shop elsewhere anyways. Now that they took the accident benefit away how could anyone justify it? Would you buy that program or sell it to a relative the way we sell to union members? We all know the answer is NO!
Merry Christmas and Happy New Year!
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What's this? #71 UPDATE Employee
to darnel...and brian again
AUTHOR: Barbara - (U.S.A.)
SUBMITTED: Sunday, December 03, 2006
POSTED: Sunday, December 05, 2004
Thank you for being so polite. I'm sure there are other union insurance companies out there. AIL is the only 100% top to bottom one. That's what I was trying to say.
Also, Brian. I did not mean to come off so crappy before but you need to not comment on things that you know nothing about. Are you even a union member? policyowner? client? I'm just confused as to why you posted such a nasty messege to all of us when you have nothing to do with us. Do you just sit all day at your computer and write rip off report rebuttals? And just so you know. I don't work today and I'm relaxing surfing on the internet for an hour. That's why I had time to rebuttal this. Yes I have better things to do and have a lot of work to do also.
Thanks
Also, Brian. I did not mean to come off so crappy before but you need to not comment on things that you know nothing about. Are you even a union member? policyowner? client? I'm just confused as to why you posted such a nasty messege to all of us when you have nothing to do with us. Do you just sit all day at your computer and write rip off report rebuttals? And just so you know. I don't work today and I'm relaxing surfing on the internet for an hour. That's why I had time to rebuttal this. Yes I have better things to do and have a lot of work to do also.
Thanks
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What's this? #72 UPDATE Employee
we all feel strongly about our sides.
AUTHOR: Barbara - (U.S.A.)
SUBMITTED: Sunday, December 03, 2006
POSTED: Sunday, December 05, 2004
Actually Brian, I have to find time to write back and this site emails you that someone rebuttaled you. So then curiosity sinks in and you read it and get furious that people are attacking you and your company. No our leads are NOT drying up. We are actually growing thank you. And no we don't spend all of our time recruiting. You are a consumer. You know nothing about our company or the workings in it. On top of the fact you talk about us getting lives when you have nothing better to do than read about AIL who has nothing to do with you. You probably had nothing to do and I probably could find a few more rebuttals from you on other areas of this site. Why would you go looking around a site at companies for the hell of it? At least we all have a purpose. When I say that, I'm speaking for all of us, Tim, Jason, Eric, me and all the other people who have felt strongly enough about their position one way or another to write it. Plus we've been around for over 50 years and I'm sure we'll be here another 50. We have over 850 billion in assets and we are an A+ rated company. We aren't going anywhere soon. So maybe you should "get a life" and read up on the companies that matter to you.
Good luck to ya.
Good luck to ya.
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What's this? #73 UPDATE Employee
we all feel strongly about our sides.
AUTHOR: Barbara - (U.S.A.)
SUBMITTED: Sunday, December 03, 2006
POSTED: Sunday, December 05, 2004
Actually Brian, I have to find time to write back and this site emails you that someone rebuttaled you. So then curiosity sinks in and you read it and get furious that people are attacking you and your company. No our leads are NOT drying up. We are actually growing thank you. And no we don't spend all of our time recruiting. You are a consumer. You know nothing about our company or the workings in it. On top of the fact you talk about us getting lives when you have nothing better to do than read about AIL who has nothing to do with you. You probably had nothing to do and I probably could find a few more rebuttals from you on other areas of this site. Why would you go looking around a site at companies for the hell of it? At least we all have a purpose. When I say that, I'm speaking for all of us, Tim, Jason, Eric, me and all the other people who have felt strongly enough about their position one way or another to write it. Plus we've been around for over 50 years and I'm sure we'll be here another 50. We have over 850 billion in assets and we are an A+ rated company. We aren't going anywhere soon. So maybe you should "get a life" and read up on the companies that matter to you.
Good luck to ya.
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What's this? #74 UPDATE Employee
we all feel strongly about our sides.
AUTHOR: Barbara - (U.S.A.)
SUBMITTED: Sunday, December 03, 2006
POSTED: Sunday, December 05, 2004
Actually Brian, I have to find time to write back and this site emails you that someone rebuttaled you. So then curiosity sinks in and you read it and get furious that people are attacking you and your company. No our leads are NOT drying up. We are actually growing thank you. And no we don't spend all of our time recruiting. You are a consumer. You know nothing about our company or the workings in it. On top of the fact you talk about us getting lives when you have nothing better to do than read about AIL who has nothing to do with you. You probably had nothing to do and I probably could find a few more rebuttals from you on other areas of this site. Why would you go looking around a site at companies for the hell of it? At least we all have a purpose. When I say that, I'm speaking for all of us, Tim, Jason, Eric, me and all the other people who have felt strongly enough about their position one way or another to write it. Plus we've been around for over 50 years and I'm sure we'll be here another 50. We have over 850 billion in assets and we are an A+ rated company. We aren't going anywhere soon. So maybe you should "get a life" and read up on the companies that matter to you.
Good luck to ya.
Good luck to ya.
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What's this? #75 UPDATE Employee
we all feel strongly about our sides.
AUTHOR: Barbara - (U.S.A.)
SUBMITTED: Sunday, December 03, 2006
POSTED: Sunday, December 05, 2004
Actually Brian, I have to find time to write back and this site emails you that someone rebuttaled you. So then curiosity sinks in and you read it and get furious that people are attacking you and your company. No our leads are NOT drying up. We are actually growing thank you. And no we don't spend all of our time recruiting. You are a consumer. You know nothing about our company or the workings in it. On top of the fact you talk about us getting lives when you have nothing better to do than read about AIL who has nothing to do with you. You probably had nothing to do and I probably could find a few more rebuttals from you on other areas of this site. Why would you go looking around a site at companies for the hell of it? At least we all have a purpose. When I say that, I'm speaking for all of us, Tim, Jason, Eric, me and all the other people who have felt strongly enough about their position one way or another to write it. Plus we've been around for over 50 years and I'm sure we'll be here another 50. We have over 850 billion in assets and we are an A+ rated company. We aren't going anywhere soon. So maybe you should "get a life" and read up on the companies that matter to you.
Good luck to ya.
Good luck to ya.
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What's this? #76 UPDATE EX-employee responds
AIL is not the only Union Company Contrary to popular belief!
AUTHOR: Darnel - (U.S.A.)
SUBMITTED: Sunday, December 03, 2006
POSTED: Sunday, December 05, 2004
I was too an agent in the field and I found one day that there is some other company that is a Union insurance company. Also about no advertising, they advertise on DirecTV i've personally seen it. Everythings not all cracked up as it seems to be. Many of the new agents in the CT and MA office have quit. I've seen people with very nice lifestyles come here and have them ruined by the unethical practices used.
Best of luck to all former, present, and future AIL EMPLOYEES.
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What's this? #77 UPDATE Employee
TO JOHN AND TIM
AUTHOR: Barbara - (U.S.A.)
SUBMITTED: Sunday, December 03, 2006
POSTED: Saturday, December 04, 2004
Okay, first of all Tim The reason my rebuttal was so rude is because I feel like you are personally attacking me. Many of my clients have told me that I was the nicest agent they ever met or dealt with. I have been in the Spotlight many times thank you. I was #3 SA the first year I was there and have ranked every year after that. If I'm doing so terribly, why does Bernard and Roger know me by name? And to answer your question-John Sweeney is the President of the AFL-CIO. So be as rude as you want with me or whatever, I don't care anymore. I know that I'm honest and loyal and that is all I need to know. And I will also ask you to take time to read the rebuttal above mine from Eric. Thanks.
John- No I don't think WL is the best thing since sliced bread and no I'm not brainwashed. It all depends on the situation as to what type of life insurance I think a family needs.
Also, AIL and it's prices aren't too far off from anyone else. All insurance companies are a few dollars off from another as long as your comparing apples to apples. As a matter of fact, you must have not looked to far because I have beat State Farm twice in the last month by $30/Month. And yes that was WL to WL. Don't get me wrong. I have no bad feelings towards State Farm. They are a Fantastic company. I have a HUGE problem with Primerica because of all the lies I've personally witnessed with people and clients I know from Primerica. As a matter of fact, I just did a day of cont. ed. and everyone in the class from other companies had a story to tell about Primerica and their lies.
Yes I believe you should have a high amount of term in your younger years, but I also believe you should have WL too. I never claimed to have the cheapest prices. And as for cash value, Most WL policies don't build up cash for 2-3 years. You should know that.
And yes our products are unique. I only know of one other company that has a certificate for up front monies for funerals. There may be a few more, but I just have not ran into them.
And yes we are the ONLY 100% Union company out there. Other companies who claim to be union are underwritten by non-union companies. And just because you work with unions doesn't mean you are union.
And yes, I will retire or slow down tremendously by the time I'm 35. I know of a friend who worked at another company for 30 years and is only receiving 3000/month in renewals. If I work and retire from AIL that long, I'll be recieving a ton more than that a WEEK not a month! They have the best renewal system I've seen. And trust me, I've looked around and know a lot of people in the business.
So I'm just going to agree to disagree with you and be done with it. I know what's in my heart and I know I'm doing right for my people. So think what you want.
Sincerely, Barbara
John- No I don't think WL is the best thing since sliced bread and no I'm not brainwashed. It all depends on the situation as to what type of life insurance I think a family needs.
Also, AIL and it's prices aren't too far off from anyone else. All insurance companies are a few dollars off from another as long as your comparing apples to apples. As a matter of fact, you must have not looked to far because I have beat State Farm twice in the last month by $30/Month. And yes that was WL to WL. Don't get me wrong. I have no bad feelings towards State Farm. They are a Fantastic company. I have a HUGE problem with Primerica because of all the lies I've personally witnessed with people and clients I know from Primerica. As a matter of fact, I just did a day of cont. ed. and everyone in the class from other companies had a story to tell about Primerica and their lies.
Yes I believe you should have a high amount of term in your younger years, but I also believe you should have WL too. I never claimed to have the cheapest prices. And as for cash value, Most WL policies don't build up cash for 2-3 years. You should know that.
And yes our products are unique. I only know of one other company that has a certificate for up front monies for funerals. There may be a few more, but I just have not ran into them.
And yes we are the ONLY 100% Union company out there. Other companies who claim to be union are underwritten by non-union companies. And just because you work with unions doesn't mean you are union.
And yes, I will retire or slow down tremendously by the time I'm 35. I know of a friend who worked at another company for 30 years and is only receiving 3000/month in renewals. If I work and retire from AIL that long, I'll be recieving a ton more than that a WEEK not a month! They have the best renewal system I've seen. And trust me, I've looked around and know a lot of people in the business.
So I'm just going to agree to disagree with you and be done with it. I know what's in my heart and I know I'm doing right for my people. So think what you want.
Sincerely, Barbara
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What's this? #78 Consumer Comment
Get a life, not AIL
AUTHOR: Brian - (U.S.A.)
SUBMITTED: Sunday, December 03, 2006
POSTED: Saturday, December 04, 2004
Its funny how these 5 and 12 years members have all this time to answer to these rebuttles instead of spending their time selling insurance. I guess the leads have dried up by now and their only source of revenue is recruiting. Hmm- sounds like Primerica.
With any MLM or PYRAMID structure, the only ones who prosper are the ones who get in on the ground floor when the company first sets up shop. At this stage of the business in this day and time, their market has been saturated to the point where its a downhill slope from here on out. I seriously doubt AIL will be around 7 years from now. In fact, I only give them 2 years. So those of you sitting on the top of the pyramid raking in all the revenues better save every dollar you can cause the gravy train is about to derail.
You see, people (with any common sense) can see that you're offended by these comments and feel the need to defend AIL. That clearly shows you're all about recruiting, living off the efforts of new agents who unfortunatly will waste their time chasing "a pipe dream" nearing its demise.
Sales organizations that are here to stay and will be here most likely after we're all long gone don't really want new agents or are only looking for a few here and there to fill the vacancies left by retired or other career pursuing interests. Think about it, you'll never have a Realtor, Car dealership, Media company, or for that matter, a reputable insurance company call or email you with a $45k opportunity, regardless of your background.
So in my opinion, AIL and Primerica are two peas in a pod in the business of RECRUITING, not selling insurance.
If you AIL managers feel the need to keep responding, taking offense to this and using ugly language, you're only reinforcing and convincing people what AIL is really about and the way they conduct business, not to mention the demeanor of its upper management staff.
Here's to wishing everyone a safe and happy holiday season.
With any MLM or PYRAMID structure, the only ones who prosper are the ones who get in on the ground floor when the company first sets up shop. At this stage of the business in this day and time, their market has been saturated to the point where its a downhill slope from here on out. I seriously doubt AIL will be around 7 years from now. In fact, I only give them 2 years. So those of you sitting on the top of the pyramid raking in all the revenues better save every dollar you can cause the gravy train is about to derail.
You see, people (with any common sense) can see that you're offended by these comments and feel the need to defend AIL. That clearly shows you're all about recruiting, living off the efforts of new agents who unfortunatly will waste their time chasing "a pipe dream" nearing its demise.
Sales organizations that are here to stay and will be here most likely after we're all long gone don't really want new agents or are only looking for a few here and there to fill the vacancies left by retired or other career pursuing interests. Think about it, you'll never have a Realtor, Car dealership, Media company, or for that matter, a reputable insurance company call or email you with a $45k opportunity, regardless of your background.
So in my opinion, AIL and Primerica are two peas in a pod in the business of RECRUITING, not selling insurance.
If you AIL managers feel the need to keep responding, taking offense to this and using ugly language, you're only reinforcing and convincing people what AIL is really about and the way they conduct business, not to mention the demeanor of its upper management staff.
Here's to wishing everyone a safe and happy holiday season.
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What's this? #79 UPDATE Employee
Not a Scam, I have seen this company pay claims where others would have washed their hands of it.
AUTHOR: Eric - (U.S.A.)
SUBMITTED: Sunday, December 03, 2006
POSTED: Friday, December 03, 2004
I have to laugh when I look at the banner at the top of this page. A scam? Hardly. Good company - great rating (A+)- great marketing and products. I have seen this company pay claims where others would have washed their hands of it.
I hired Barbara and I honestly cannot remember the wording of the ad that caught her attention. AIL provides an opportunity. She grabbed it and ran with it. It's not for everyone but neither is selling cars,copiers,pencils or social work for that matter. If you care about people, aren't afraid of hard work and some evening hours, AIL might be for you. I say that for the benefit of all those that are reading these reports and are possibly considering a career with AIL.
Though currently not with AIL due to personl/health reasons, I implore anyone to ask the top producers of the agency they are considering working in, what they think of their opportunity.
Ask any self employed business person about the time and the money they invested to become successful.AIL is a walk in the park.
I was with AIL 12 years and now have 100K a year in renewals coming to me.If i had worked anywhere else I might have a gold watch, if that.
Don't rag on Barbara as she is a decent, honest, hard working young lady that will be able to realize a passive income that many will only dream about.
If you look for a crack in the window...you will find it. What I see in this blog are individuals that probably wouldn't be happy anywhere they might work.
Good luck to those that are considering AIL.....don't let the whineing you see in here keep you from your potential!
I hired Barbara and I honestly cannot remember the wording of the ad that caught her attention. AIL provides an opportunity. She grabbed it and ran with it. It's not for everyone but neither is selling cars,copiers,pencils or social work for that matter. If you care about people, aren't afraid of hard work and some evening hours, AIL might be for you. I say that for the benefit of all those that are reading these reports and are possibly considering a career with AIL.
Though currently not with AIL due to personl/health reasons, I implore anyone to ask the top producers of the agency they are considering working in, what they think of their opportunity.
Ask any self employed business person about the time and the money they invested to become successful.AIL is a walk in the park.
I was with AIL 12 years and now have 100K a year in renewals coming to me.If i had worked anywhere else I might have a gold watch, if that.
Don't rag on Barbara as she is a decent, honest, hard working young lady that will be able to realize a passive income that many will only dream about.
If you look for a crack in the window...you will find it. What I see in this blog are individuals that probably wouldn't be happy anywhere they might work.
Good luck to those that are considering AIL.....don't let the whineing you see in here keep you from your potential!
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What's this? #80 UPDATE EX-employee responds
Barbara, Barbara, Barbara - I depise the people that do lie. Look at companies who brainwash their employees.
AUTHOR: John - (U.S.A.)
SUBMITTED: Sunday, December 03, 2006
POSTED: Friday, December 03, 2004
Barbara,
I worked with American Income Life for almost two years. I experienced both the highs and the lows of the job. The biggest reason I am not with the company is where the company is heading and the way the business is run. I didn't leave because I couldn't "cut it". I left because I could no longer live my myself. I actually wrote a long response this summer defending AIL. When I read it, I laugh. I was brainwashed. I have a few issues with what you have wrote.
1. AIL is "The Union Insurance Company". Untrue. There are other insurance companies that target specifically unions. As an agent, I ran into union members with other union insurance. AIL claims to be 100% union. That is actually correct because the company forces every employee to join OPEIU 277. If you actually believe this is a legitimate union, you are nuts. It is established so that AIL can say it is 100% union. That is it.
2. "I help families that otherwise would never have been contacted and would lose evreything unless they were seen by us." After about 6 months with AIL, this was my justification in selling the benefits and eventually the reason I needed to leave. It is a bad feeling when you sell a policy to a struggling family and they could get a much cheaper policy down the street at State Farm. Trust me, I have looked into it.
3. "Just because you can't sell(mind you our benefits sell themselves because they are so unique)doesn't mean a company is crap." UNIQUE? Whole Life, I mean Freedom of Choice, I mean death benefit, I mean burial money, is not unique. Whole Life has been around forever. AIL is unique in how it sells a Whole Life policy. Instead of selling a policy, it sells that the days right after a loved one dies, you will need 8-10K and if you have other insurance it will not pay off right away. So instead of selling a policy, you sell death. Saying the benefits sell themselves is absurd. If that is true, they would not have to use benefits instead of insurance, death benefit instead of whole life, and monthy income replacement instead of Term Insurance.
4. "I depise the people that do lie. Look at companies like Primerica who brainwash their employees. I have seen sooo many clients who have Term and thought they had Whole Life. Primerica doesn't even carry WL as a product." The fact that you believe Whole Life is a better product than Term means YOU have been brainwashed. For the majority of people, they need large term policies in their earlier years (20-50). Plus, I would rather a company like Primerica not have WL rather than having junk Whole Life as AIL has Term Insurance but it is garbage insurance. If you compared the 4R&C, 10R&C, or 30 year MP with that of any major insurance company, you would be shocked. Plus, AIL is very deceptive about the length of the terms of their Term Insurance. Again instead of selling a Term policy, AIL sells a monthly income replacement focusing away from the actual face amount, length of term and price.
5. If you still believe you are helping people out, explain to me why over 50% of all policies written by AIL agents are no longer on the books after one year. The 50% number was quoted by CEO Roger Smith so it is probably actually higher. Legitimate insurance agents will have 90%+ retention. Also explain to clients why the WL policy doesn't accumulate cash value for 3 years.
6. If you still believe you are helping people out, take a poll around the office on how many agents and managers actually carry the benefits. If you believe all union members need these benefits, I guess that means you too.
7. "I am 28 and will retire at 35." Are you f'n kidding me. I wish you the best. Unless you are an SGA, good luck. I would put money on AIL not being around when you are 35. Eventually the Union Leaders will get so fed up with the complaints of its members that AIL will not be welcome. But if you do retire at 35, I better get an invitation to your retirement party.
I worked with American Income Life for almost two years. I experienced both the highs and the lows of the job. The biggest reason I am not with the company is where the company is heading and the way the business is run. I didn't leave because I couldn't "cut it". I left because I could no longer live my myself. I actually wrote a long response this summer defending AIL. When I read it, I laugh. I was brainwashed. I have a few issues with what you have wrote.
1. AIL is "The Union Insurance Company". Untrue. There are other insurance companies that target specifically unions. As an agent, I ran into union members with other union insurance. AIL claims to be 100% union. That is actually correct because the company forces every employee to join OPEIU 277. If you actually believe this is a legitimate union, you are nuts. It is established so that AIL can say it is 100% union. That is it.
2. "I help families that otherwise would never have been contacted and would lose evreything unless they were seen by us." After about 6 months with AIL, this was my justification in selling the benefits and eventually the reason I needed to leave. It is a bad feeling when you sell a policy to a struggling family and they could get a much cheaper policy down the street at State Farm. Trust me, I have looked into it.
3. "Just because you can't sell(mind you our benefits sell themselves because they are so unique)doesn't mean a company is crap." UNIQUE? Whole Life, I mean Freedom of Choice, I mean death benefit, I mean burial money, is not unique. Whole Life has been around forever. AIL is unique in how it sells a Whole Life policy. Instead of selling a policy, it sells that the days right after a loved one dies, you will need 8-10K and if you have other insurance it will not pay off right away. So instead of selling a policy, you sell death. Saying the benefits sell themselves is absurd. If that is true, they would not have to use benefits instead of insurance, death benefit instead of whole life, and monthy income replacement instead of Term Insurance.
4. "I depise the people that do lie. Look at companies like Primerica who brainwash their employees. I have seen sooo many clients who have Term and thought they had Whole Life. Primerica doesn't even carry WL as a product." The fact that you believe Whole Life is a better product than Term means YOU have been brainwashed. For the majority of people, they need large term policies in their earlier years (20-50). Plus, I would rather a company like Primerica not have WL rather than having junk Whole Life as AIL has Term Insurance but it is garbage insurance. If you compared the 4R&C, 10R&C, or 30 year MP with that of any major insurance company, you would be shocked. Plus, AIL is very deceptive about the length of the terms of their Term Insurance. Again instead of selling a Term policy, AIL sells a monthly income replacement focusing away from the actual face amount, length of term and price.
5. If you still believe you are helping people out, explain to me why over 50% of all policies written by AIL agents are no longer on the books after one year. The 50% number was quoted by CEO Roger Smith so it is probably actually higher. Legitimate insurance agents will have 90%+ retention. Also explain to clients why the WL policy doesn't accumulate cash value for 3 years.
6. If you still believe you are helping people out, take a poll around the office on how many agents and managers actually carry the benefits. If you believe all union members need these benefits, I guess that means you too.
7. "I am 28 and will retire at 35." Are you f'n kidding me. I wish you the best. Unless you are an SGA, good luck. I would put money on AIL not being around when you are 35. Eventually the Union Leaders will get so fed up with the complaints of its members that AIL will not be welcome. But if you do retire at 35, I better get an invitation to your retirement party.
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What's this? #81 UPDATE EX-employee responds
Wake up Barbara!
AUTHOR: Tim - (U.S.A.)
SUBMITTED: Sunday, December 03, 2006
POSTED: Friday, December 03, 2004
Barbara,
You still have not stated the name, address, phone number of the president of the local 277 or the president of the National AFL - CIO. You also have not shown how how to file a grievence with the local 277. I'm glad AIL is the best job you ever had, it sounds like it may be the best one you ever will have. I have had much better and will have better again. If you research the address listed in Fort Worth on mapping sofware you will note that the address is not listed as a business. Most telephone searches can't find a phone number for them and none is listed on my union card. I don't know who my union stewart is and nobody else in our office does either. Do you or any other AIL agent know the name of their union stewart?
If I was so unsuccessful why did I bonus almost every month and win convention? How many conventions have you been to? Do you bonus every month?
If I am pi**ed off that the whole pyramid scam feeds off first year agents, its because I passed that stage that only 9% do only to be shut off of the union leads that were promised me every two weeks when I was hired. I've gone two to three months at a time with no leads while the new agents get 95-100 leads. The next month he or she has usually quits and the leads were wasted. I feel this is a justifiable grievence that the local 277 should resolve, if not the insurance department or the state or federal government. When I was hired I was promised new union leads every 2 weeks. They also promised no cold calls. Globe leads here are free not one dollar, nobody recalls sending in for Globe to have a third party contact them by phone although I found a few dumb enough to sit down and buy from me, it kind of felt like stealing. It felt cheap and dirty probably how a prostitute feels after being paid.
As far as gutter mouths go, by you telling people to shut up, I can only wonder how you treat a union brother when they say no they don't want or need your supplemental benefits.
I'll try to find your picture in the spotlight to see how often you do well, we both know that not many women are very successfull at AIL so I would be surprised to see you there.
I also learned that there is no such thing as a resolved lead because as soon as one agent resolves a lead the same lead is regenerated and past out to another agent and many times handed back to the same agent, no wonder why they have so many leads.
Since 91% of the agents don't last a full year did you ever wonder what happens to all the renewal money? Or have you not thought that one out yet? If the boys at the top of the pyramid want my or your renewal money sooner does it not make sense to starve you for leads until you quit? They know you will not be happy to see 5-10 new agents hired every week and given 95 leads while not giving a second year agent any for 2-3 months at a time. They don't have to fire people they quit after enough time wasted waiting for the promised leads. I outlasted 5 bosses in the first year. An agent that quits after 1 year gets only 10% of the due renewals for one year that are 5% of the busines that stays on the books for a year. The top of the pyramid keeps a lot of renewal money and has no incentive to keep an agent past one year. Why would they want to share that renewal money with anyone? I believe AIL wrote close to 100 million last year, imagine the renewals. How great is it for them not to have to pay any annual renewals for 91% of the agents they hire? They only have to pay 10% of a 5% annual renewal for a one year agent for only one year. 20% of a 5% annual renewal for a 2nd year agent for ony 2 years up to 100% of your annual renewals for a ten year agent. Look in your spotlight how few agents last 3 years, almost none. Nobody in our office knows what happens to all that renewal money but the SGA braggs that he makes multi millions per year while watching many families hurt terribly by these lies and deceptions. They think we are as stupid as the people buying the insurance. Most are. The multi million braggart must see the office girls crying that they can't afford to pay their rent, I've seen itmany times. He even asked us agents to chip in and donate money to them since they are doing such a great job. Merry Christmas to him and his family! Funny how scrooge comes to mind this Christmas season. Our Holiday party can't be called a Christmas party so that we don't affend any Christophobes.
Many unions have asked us not to call their members again because of the way we do business, others have warned other unions not to sign up as a new union to save the headaches involved, all the unions that will see us have already been seen many times already, not many new unions are being created, so to be successfull at AIL my advice is to run referral leads only that you provide for yourself. If you think they will feed you enough leads to live on you are a slow learner.
The bologna in your response is from the scripts the managers are trained to tell new hires, I suspect you are one of those.
How do you measure success?
I wish you, your family and all AIL, NILICO, and everyone a very Merry Christmas and a most successfull new year in this business or your next one.
You still have not stated the name, address, phone number of the president of the local 277 or the president of the National AFL - CIO. You also have not shown how how to file a grievence with the local 277. I'm glad AIL is the best job you ever had, it sounds like it may be the best one you ever will have. I have had much better and will have better again. If you research the address listed in Fort Worth on mapping sofware you will note that the address is not listed as a business. Most telephone searches can't find a phone number for them and none is listed on my union card. I don't know who my union stewart is and nobody else in our office does either. Do you or any other AIL agent know the name of their union stewart?
If I was so unsuccessful why did I bonus almost every month and win convention? How many conventions have you been to? Do you bonus every month?
If I am pi**ed off that the whole pyramid scam feeds off first year agents, its because I passed that stage that only 9% do only to be shut off of the union leads that were promised me every two weeks when I was hired. I've gone two to three months at a time with no leads while the new agents get 95-100 leads. The next month he or she has usually quits and the leads were wasted. I feel this is a justifiable grievence that the local 277 should resolve, if not the insurance department or the state or federal government. When I was hired I was promised new union leads every 2 weeks. They also promised no cold calls. Globe leads here are free not one dollar, nobody recalls sending in for Globe to have a third party contact them by phone although I found a few dumb enough to sit down and buy from me, it kind of felt like stealing. It felt cheap and dirty probably how a prostitute feels after being paid.
As far as gutter mouths go, by you telling people to shut up, I can only wonder how you treat a union brother when they say no they don't want or need your supplemental benefits.
I'll try to find your picture in the spotlight to see how often you do well, we both know that not many women are very successfull at AIL so I would be surprised to see you there.
I also learned that there is no such thing as a resolved lead because as soon as one agent resolves a lead the same lead is regenerated and past out to another agent and many times handed back to the same agent, no wonder why they have so many leads.
Since 91% of the agents don't last a full year did you ever wonder what happens to all the renewal money? Or have you not thought that one out yet? If the boys at the top of the pyramid want my or your renewal money sooner does it not make sense to starve you for leads until you quit? They know you will not be happy to see 5-10 new agents hired every week and given 95 leads while not giving a second year agent any for 2-3 months at a time. They don't have to fire people they quit after enough time wasted waiting for the promised leads. I outlasted 5 bosses in the first year. An agent that quits after 1 year gets only 10% of the due renewals for one year that are 5% of the busines that stays on the books for a year. The top of the pyramid keeps a lot of renewal money and has no incentive to keep an agent past one year. Why would they want to share that renewal money with anyone? I believe AIL wrote close to 100 million last year, imagine the renewals. How great is it for them not to have to pay any annual renewals for 91% of the agents they hire? They only have to pay 10% of a 5% annual renewal for a one year agent for only one year. 20% of a 5% annual renewal for a 2nd year agent for ony 2 years up to 100% of your annual renewals for a ten year agent. Look in your spotlight how few agents last 3 years, almost none. Nobody in our office knows what happens to all that renewal money but the SGA braggs that he makes multi millions per year while watching many families hurt terribly by these lies and deceptions. They think we are as stupid as the people buying the insurance. Most are. The multi million braggart must see the office girls crying that they can't afford to pay their rent, I've seen itmany times. He even asked us agents to chip in and donate money to them since they are doing such a great job. Merry Christmas to him and his family! Funny how scrooge comes to mind this Christmas season. Our Holiday party can't be called a Christmas party so that we don't affend any Christophobes.
Many unions have asked us not to call their members again because of the way we do business, others have warned other unions not to sign up as a new union to save the headaches involved, all the unions that will see us have already been seen many times already, not many new unions are being created, so to be successfull at AIL my advice is to run referral leads only that you provide for yourself. If you think they will feed you enough leads to live on you are a slow learner.
The bologna in your response is from the scripts the managers are trained to tell new hires, I suspect you are one of those.
How do you measure success?
I wish you, your family and all AIL, NILICO, and everyone a very Merry Christmas and a most successfull new year in this business or your next one.
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What's this? #82 UPDATE Employee
to Tim and all the other people who have no idea what they are talking about
AUTHOR: Barbara - (U.S.A.)
SUBMITTED: Sunday, December 03, 2006
POSTED: Thursday, December 02, 2004
First of all, I know I said I was done but when you people talk crap I take it personally. And they keep emailing me that there is another rebuttal so here goes...
Tim, The presidant of the AFL-CIO sits on our advisory board and knows exactly what we are all about. I'm just very happy that you quit. We don't need people who aren't successful due to their own self and can't take responsibility for their own failures and have to blame others. Also, just a side note, Yes the Globe inquiries did send in for information. Just another thing you don't know about but like to think you do. It just happens that it takes awhile to even start calling on those because we are soooo busy with unions. So by the time we have gotten ahold of them, they have forgotten. And Yes you would pay on average $20 per lead on those with any other company. You don't pay a dime with us.
As for the person who said something along the lines of paying for your training manuel, we don't pay for ours in Cleveland. That must just be the agency in your area.
As I've stated before, it takes a special kind of person to be successful at AIL. Someone who can motivate themselves and not have to be told what to do. AIL has changed my life for the better. I take pride in what I do and yes I'm an honest agent. I don't screw with people. You will find dishonest people in anything you do, not just at AIL and not just in the insurance companies.
As for the person who said you won't work anywhere where they charge you for training. That's fine because we don't charge you. The only thing you must pay for is your licensing class and license itself. Which is state law. That is not our policy. Plus we will reimburse you if you hit a minimal standard in your first Quarter for all of that. On top of that, you also mentioned that we called even though you wanted a technical position. Well guess what? I never thought I'd be in insurance and I am and my life is better for it. That is why we called you.
So maybe you all should keep your mouths shut unless you really know what you are talking about.
Tim, The presidant of the AFL-CIO sits on our advisory board and knows exactly what we are all about. I'm just very happy that you quit. We don't need people who aren't successful due to their own self and can't take responsibility for their own failures and have to blame others. Also, just a side note, Yes the Globe inquiries did send in for information. Just another thing you don't know about but like to think you do. It just happens that it takes awhile to even start calling on those because we are soooo busy with unions. So by the time we have gotten ahold of them, they have forgotten. And Yes you would pay on average $20 per lead on those with any other company. You don't pay a dime with us.
As for the person who said something along the lines of paying for your training manuel, we don't pay for ours in Cleveland. That must just be the agency in your area.
As I've stated before, it takes a special kind of person to be successful at AIL. Someone who can motivate themselves and not have to be told what to do. AIL has changed my life for the better. I take pride in what I do and yes I'm an honest agent. I don't screw with people. You will find dishonest people in anything you do, not just at AIL and not just in the insurance companies.
As for the person who said you won't work anywhere where they charge you for training. That's fine because we don't charge you. The only thing you must pay for is your licensing class and license itself. Which is state law. That is not our policy. Plus we will reimburse you if you hit a minimal standard in your first Quarter for all of that. On top of that, you also mentioned that we called even though you wanted a technical position. Well guess what? I never thought I'd be in insurance and I am and my life is better for it. That is why we called you.
So maybe you all should keep your mouths shut unless you really know what you are talking about.
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What's this? #83 Consumer Suggestion
Job Seeker, ASK if this is a SALES position
AUTHOR: Brian - (U.S.A.)
SUBMITTED: Sunday, December 03, 2006
POSTED: Wednesday, December 01, 2004
About a week ago, I received an email stating my resume was received and my credentials were professional and impressive, requesting an interview. The email also stated I could reply or would be contacted shortly. Feeling skeptical, I didn't reply to the email but received a phone call today, asking me a come in for an interview tomorrow.
The representative stated he found my resume on the internet. Given the name (AIL), I promptly asked if this is about an Information Technology (IT) position as clearly stated in the OBJECTIVE in my resume. He replied "We may have positions like that but want you to come in for an interview". I replied that I had not spent the past four years in college looking to pursue a SALES career and specifically had no interest in sales. He basically repeated the statement above, attempting to trick or lure me into the office. I agreed on a meeting time but now after doing my homework, researching, finding, and reading the posts on this website, I've convinced it is a waste of time. I'll not be attending that interview.
For a company whos corporate website states "built on honesty, trust, and integrity", they sure put a lot of effort into deceiving and wasting the time of unfortunate unemployed job seekers. To make matters worse, taking money from them they don't have to spare.
My first rule is: I should not have to pay for a job or training. Most companies who value people offer free training OR recruiters are paid by the corporation for college educated professionals.
My second rule is: MLM is a DEAD END street. Ask anyone who has majored in marketing or economics. Its only a matter of time till it goes bust.
My third rule is: NO hiring manager wants you that bad that they are willing to ring your phone off the wall or send several emails to get you to come in for an interview. Its the sign of a scam or scheme that only benefits THEM.
I believe there needs to be some corrective action by either the job boards, legislation by state/federal level, or some other entity to prohibit organizations like this. Its no different than any other scam conducted by people on the street.
The representative stated he found my resume on the internet. Given the name (AIL), I promptly asked if this is about an Information Technology (IT) position as clearly stated in the OBJECTIVE in my resume. He replied "We may have positions like that but want you to come in for an interview". I replied that I had not spent the past four years in college looking to pursue a SALES career and specifically had no interest in sales. He basically repeated the statement above, attempting to trick or lure me into the office. I agreed on a meeting time but now after doing my homework, researching, finding, and reading the posts on this website, I've convinced it is a waste of time. I'll not be attending that interview.
For a company whos corporate website states "built on honesty, trust, and integrity", they sure put a lot of effort into deceiving and wasting the time of unfortunate unemployed job seekers. To make matters worse, taking money from them they don't have to spare.
My first rule is: I should not have to pay for a job or training. Most companies who value people offer free training OR recruiters are paid by the corporation for college educated professionals.
My second rule is: MLM is a DEAD END street. Ask anyone who has majored in marketing or economics. Its only a matter of time till it goes bust.
My third rule is: NO hiring manager wants you that bad that they are willing to ring your phone off the wall or send several emails to get you to come in for an interview. Its the sign of a scam or scheme that only benefits THEM.
I believe there needs to be some corrective action by either the job boards, legislation by state/federal level, or some other entity to prohibit organizations like this. Its no different than any other scam conducted by people on the street.
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What's this? #84 UPDATE EX-employee responds
AIL CONNECTICUT/MASS STATE OFFICE - ZOPHIN AGENCY ..AIL IS A COMPLETE RIP-OFF... DO NOT BE LURED IN!
AUTHOR: Darnel - (U.S.A.)
SUBMITTED: Sunday, December 03, 2006
POSTED: Wednesday, December 01, 2004
AIL IS A COMPLETE RIP-OFF... DO NOT BE LURED IN!
I am an 18 year old businessman who like other people decided to try a few new things. One day I was just surfing the net and went to monster.com to check out job listings and came across AIL. I created a free account and used the resume creator to post the resume.
One morning the following week, someone called me from an office in CT stating the SGA David Zophin wanted to see me and they wanted to hire me. I was very excited. So later that week I went up there for the 1st interview. I was like 5 minutes late so they told me they would call me back. So now I go 30 minutes out the way to Middletown/Cromwell CT EXIT 21 I-91 SOUTH, from Springfield MA EXIT 4 I-91 NORTH.
So a week or two later they called me again. I was like someone already called me from your office. They said come on in for a final interview.
After the interview I was like, "you know, what the hell", I'll take a chance the worst thing that can happen is I'll become an insurance agent, which I am now, correction Producer.
So now they tell me the class starts on Monday bring a check for $150 for the book and training. I'm like hmm ok then. So I do and I come to training each and everyday as told to do so.
After the training I take the test and fail it. I eventually pass the test and begin my "Field Training" with a "SA" Supervising Agent, Maurice Bailey.
I'm training for over 2 months wasting my time and money into this company and finally in June I become my own Agent in the field or so they call it "MIT" Manager in Training.
After numerous months of not making any money, wasting my gas, money on food, and my time and my life, I'm like you know what these people lied to me.
They make you think your an independant contractor but in fact your not. They are illegally classifying by IRS standards as an IC when you are not if you are being bossed around by your SA.
I made my money wasted back and quit with their company.
Everything is scripted if youd like you can gain access to all of their forms and procedures by going to this link http://www.ailins.com/Agency/ you will gain unlimited access to their mastermind scheme.
Dont waste your time or money. Dont join AIL.
IF YOU SEE THESE NUMBERS BEWARE... THEY WILL ALSO CALL FROM CELL PHONES TO TRICK YOU, TRUST ME I'VE DONE IT!
AIL CT OFFICE 860-632-0061
AIL MA OFFICE 413-732-1200
MY CELL 413-222-5415 QUESTIONS ONLY PLEASE LEAVE A MESSAGE
NATIONAL PRODUCER NUMBER 8149261
Darnel J. Hunter, President
XtremeX Corporation
http://www.xtremex.com
I am an 18 year old businessman who like other people decided to try a few new things. One day I was just surfing the net and went to monster.com to check out job listings and came across AIL. I created a free account and used the resume creator to post the resume.
One morning the following week, someone called me from an office in CT stating the SGA David Zophin wanted to see me and they wanted to hire me. I was very excited. So later that week I went up there for the 1st interview. I was like 5 minutes late so they told me they would call me back. So now I go 30 minutes out the way to Middletown/Cromwell CT EXIT 21 I-91 SOUTH, from Springfield MA EXIT 4 I-91 NORTH.
So a week or two later they called me again. I was like someone already called me from your office. They said come on in for a final interview.
After the interview I was like, "you know, what the hell", I'll take a chance the worst thing that can happen is I'll become an insurance agent, which I am now, correction Producer.
So now they tell me the class starts on Monday bring a check for $150 for the book and training. I'm like hmm ok then. So I do and I come to training each and everyday as told to do so.
After the training I take the test and fail it. I eventually pass the test and begin my "Field Training" with a "SA" Supervising Agent, Maurice Bailey.
I'm training for over 2 months wasting my time and money into this company and finally in June I become my own Agent in the field or so they call it "MIT" Manager in Training.
After numerous months of not making any money, wasting my gas, money on food, and my time and my life, I'm like you know what these people lied to me.
They make you think your an independant contractor but in fact your not. They are illegally classifying by IRS standards as an IC when you are not if you are being bossed around by your SA.
I made my money wasted back and quit with their company.
Everything is scripted if youd like you can gain access to all of their forms and procedures by going to this link http://www.ailins.com/Agency/ you will gain unlimited access to their mastermind scheme.
Dont waste your time or money. Dont join AIL.
IF YOU SEE THESE NUMBERS BEWARE... THEY WILL ALSO CALL FROM CELL PHONES TO TRICK YOU, TRUST ME I'VE DONE IT!
AIL CT OFFICE 860-632-0061
AIL MA OFFICE 413-732-1200
MY CELL 413-222-5415 QUESTIONS ONLY PLEASE LEAVE A MESSAGE
NATIONAL PRODUCER NUMBER 8149261
Darnel J. Hunter, President
XtremeX Corporation
http://www.xtremex.com
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What's this? #85 UPDATE EX-employee responds
mysterious local 277 located
AUTHOR: Tim - (U.S.A.)
SUBMITTED: Sunday, December 03, 2006
POSTED: Sunday, November 28, 2004
I believe I may have found the mysterious Local 277. Try 641 N. Cherry Lane Fort Worth, Tx 76108-1815 817-246-4981. Now to find out what they do for their union dues and how they protect their members. I wonder how many others have been told their are no grievences that can be filed? I saw a globe ad on TV, very deceptive and did not ask for a dollar, people surely would remember paying a dollar. They mostly remember being bothered at dinner time on Sunday evening between 4-9 PM, and being lied to about they must have made the enquiry because here it is in my hand.Click, on to the next one. I hope the local 277 plans on fixing these problems or I'm sure the head of the AFL-Cio would love to know what is going on. I wonder how many unions have a clue as to what the real deal is?
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What's this? #86 UPDATE Employee
i'm really tired of this
AUTHOR: Barbara - (U.S.A.)
SUBMITTED: Sunday, December 03, 2006
POSTED: Tuesday, November 23, 2004
No offense but I'm done argueing. I have never gone a week without new names to call on and obviously you don't like your job and there ARE much worse companies out there. I'm sorry you feel that way but I love my job. I love the agency I'm with and that's about it. I have much better things I need to being doing right now other than fighting with all of you.
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What's this? #87 UPDATE EX-employee responds
Globe leads and local 277
AUTHOR: Jason - (U.S.A.)
SUBMITTED: Sunday, December 03, 2006
POSTED: Tuesday, November 23, 2004
As far as the Globe leads go Barbara, yes people do send in $1 for an inquiry (one month free insurance, whatever...) , but......it says right on a perforated tab, on the side of the mailing from Globe, that you will NOT be contacted by an agent if you reply. OOOHhhh wait. Not a Globe agent anyways, but you will be contacted by there sister company AIL. Pretty fishy in my eyes.
And as to local 277, I searched on the OPEIU (Office and Professional Employees International Union) website at www.opeiu.org and found no link to local 277. I would also be curious of contact information. You see, I grew up in a union family and DO care about the unions. That is why I left AIL...it wasn't about survival, it was about ethics.
And as to local 277, I searched on the OPEIU (Office and Professional Employees International Union) website at www.opeiu.org and found no link to local 277. I would also be curious of contact information. You see, I grew up in a union family and DO care about the unions. That is why I left AIL...it wasn't about survival, it was about ethics.
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What's this? #88 UPDATE Employee
response to Barbara
AUTHOR: Tim - (U.S.A.)
SUBMITTED: Sunday, December 03, 2006
POSTED: Tuesday, November 23, 2004
Barbara, you sound like a sincere Democrat, but if 99% of the people I saw were Democrats I would either commit suicide or imigrate to Russia where socialists are the way of life. I have called home office in Texas and searched all over the internet for the local 277 and even called the head of the AFL-CIO all with no luck, if you have a contact name or number I really want to contact them about some unethical practices I see every day. I love sales and love selling insurance but would love it more if some of the trash and liars got out of there. To bad the union police departments did not set up a sobriety roadblock outside of the mandatory golfing we must attend. I've watched these liars getting drunk at 9:30 AM before hitting the first ball and a MGA pulling down his pants and mooning the crowd when they kidded him about his game. After they could not drink any more they drove home and luckily did not kill anyone this time.If you don't drink with the boys you don't get the leads. I've gone several times 2-3 months with no leads, usually made bonus and made convention. I've watched hundreds of lives damaged by these drunkards getting their jollies by hiring people they know won't last a month and only hope that they write at least one piece of business before they quit. I've listened to the MGA that pulls his pants down in public laugh at people as they cry leaving for the last time, usually woman. He gets drunk at parties and cries as he kisses the ass of his boss in public. Everyone has a mom,dad, brother, sister, or friend that will help you on your new career, and cancel when you leave. They are now crying that people use the benefits to much so they decided to stop selling the part of the product that most people saw the greatest value in. $200 per accident will now go to $0 per accident unles you are hospitalized over night. You can buy WL funeral benefits in many places for many prices but the advantage we had was because we linked it to the living benefits. Was this by design or by accident? Only they know. Would you buy this product with no accident pay out? Not me or the most of the people that told me that is why they bought it. The good news is legitimate insurance companies will hire anyone who survived that type of 1099 job, and you won't be forced to work 7 days a week.
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What's this? #89 UPDATE Employee
liars are everywhere, not just at AIL.
AUTHOR: Barbara - (U.S.A.)
SUBMITTED: Sunday, December 03, 2006
POSTED: Sunday, November 21, 2004
I really don't want to make a habit of this. I have better things to do with my time but I will return the rebuttal Tim.
Basically you'll have to call home office to talk to our union stewart or any officers. That is where you will get your answers to your union questions.
As for a Globe lead, I understand that they are not the best but believe it or not that is what other companies use and make you pay for it. We get them for free. Not all leads are Globe. And yes they are old leads but they are another form to see people. They are our sister company. They did respond. They sent a dollar in the mail for a quote. I personally like dealing with our union folks more than the Globes but they are people who need coverage too. And as I said before, if you were at any other company, you would actually have to pay for that 2-3 year old lead.
As for our PR people wanting you to vote Democratic. I like to keep who I vote for to myself and I don't think you should ever tell anyone who to vote for. That is your own choice. The reason why they are so Democratic is because as far as I know, that is who basically founded Unions. 99% of the people we see are Democrates. You have your opinion and so does everyone else. That is your choice and I respect you for that.
As far as the liars that you are referring to...Every company has them and unfortunately they give us a bad name. But please know we are not all like that. I have been there for 5 years and I don't lie and have been successful.
I depise the people that do lie. Look at companies like Primerica who brainwash their employees. I have seen sooo many clients who have Term and thought they had Whole Life.
Primerica doesn't even carry WL as a product. It's at any company you go too. The insurance business itself as a whole has many scumbags as do the car dealerships but thank God their are people like you and I who are true to their word and all we want to do is help. Most people will see that and be thankful of that.
My advice is to keep on being an upstanding person and employee and you will be successful and good things will happen. I promise that. I'm honest and successful. It does happen. Just keep in mind that the liars are everywhere, not just at AIL.
Basically you'll have to call home office to talk to our union stewart or any officers. That is where you will get your answers to your union questions.
As for a Globe lead, I understand that they are not the best but believe it or not that is what other companies use and make you pay for it. We get them for free. Not all leads are Globe. And yes they are old leads but they are another form to see people. They are our sister company. They did respond. They sent a dollar in the mail for a quote. I personally like dealing with our union folks more than the Globes but they are people who need coverage too. And as I said before, if you were at any other company, you would actually have to pay for that 2-3 year old lead.
As for our PR people wanting you to vote Democratic. I like to keep who I vote for to myself and I don't think you should ever tell anyone who to vote for. That is your own choice. The reason why they are so Democratic is because as far as I know, that is who basically founded Unions. 99% of the people we see are Democrates. You have your opinion and so does everyone else. That is your choice and I respect you for that.
As far as the liars that you are referring to...Every company has them and unfortunately they give us a bad name. But please know we are not all like that. I have been there for 5 years and I don't lie and have been successful.
I depise the people that do lie. Look at companies like Primerica who brainwash their employees. I have seen sooo many clients who have Term and thought they had Whole Life.
Primerica doesn't even carry WL as a product. It's at any company you go too. The insurance business itself as a whole has many scumbags as do the car dealerships but thank God their are people like you and I who are true to their word and all we want to do is help. Most people will see that and be thankful of that.
My advice is to keep on being an upstanding person and employee and you will be successful and good things will happen. I promise that. I'm honest and successful. It does happen. Just keep in mind that the liars are everywhere, not just at AIL.
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What's this? #90 UPDATE Employee
Local 277
AUTHOR: Tim - (U.S.A.)
SUBMITTED: Sunday, December 03, 2006
POSTED: Saturday, November 20, 2004
I read a lot about being a union brother and paying mandatory dues to the local 277, part of the AFL-CIO but can't get a phone number for my union. I can't find a union steward to voice my concerns and nobody at work knows how to contact one either. I can't find a phone number or address for the local 277 doing internet searches, if you can find one please share it. I know the PR rep gave us copies to pass out to our union brothers as to why they should vote for Democrats. It was Democrats that voted for Nafta in getting rid of many union paying jobs and sending them to China and other third world countries. Even if I thought it was a womens right to choose to kill an unborn partial birth abortion I would not encourage anyone to vote that way. I also would not encourage clients to vote the way I felt as that is their right to vote the way they feel. I can only hope everyone does vote. Why do these PR reps assume we should all vote for Democrats? As for the no cold calls, please explain to me what a Globe lead is, if it is not a cold call. I have called many, none of which ever recalled making an enquiry to Globe about insurance and many that had been dead for 2-3 years before I got this fresh lead. Half truths, lies, deceptions, and good benefits that really help people are all part of the real picture. Some of the biggest liars get promoted to the top and train their fresh meat to follow in their footsteps. The product coud be sold without the lies and deception and help families but most will see the other type of rep. The honest ones can't take it and quit or get fired. I've also seen many unions and associations ask us not to contact their members any more due to the number of complaints they received from their members, many of which could have benefitted greatly from these products if presented honestly and sincerely. That also affects our families and pay checks as well. Hopefully AIL will see that they are making huge mistakes and burning bridges behind them, and change their ways before all unions and associations tell them not to contact their members.
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What's this? #91 UPDATE Employee
to jason
AUTHOR: Barbara - (U.S.A.)
SUBMITTED: Sunday, December 03, 2006
POSTED: Wednesday, November 17, 2004
Only one thing did I agree with in your report. That is the part where this is not speaking for the company as a whole only your agency. I am from Cleveland not Wisconsin. I have been there for 5 years and I know the inner workings of the company.
First I would like to say that you didn't survive because you weren't on script. At least that isn't the one we use in Cleveland. I NEVER say I'm a union representative. That IS misleading. You are to say I'm calling in reference to the card you filled out about your no cost group benefits....and that IS the truth. We have been handselected by these unions, that's why we "cater" to them. We ARE the Union Insurance Company.
And as for the funeral, that is not how I explain it at all. And the clients who have lost loved ones and had their funerals taken care of since I've been there will disagree with you. As a matter of fact, we have funeral directors who have our coverage. I suppose you want our people to spend $100/month for a pre-paid funeral than $26/month for our coverage. And personally I feel almost all of our clients can afford our coverage. It pi**es me off when they have 4wheelers and motorcycles but say they can't afford to protect their family. That just says they don't give a sh**.
So, no offense, but you were the one misinformed and maybe you THOUGHT you knew the company and didn't. I know nothing about Wisconsin but I do know Cleveland cares more about the people than we do about our paycheck and any of my personal clients will agree to that.
First I would like to say that you didn't survive because you weren't on script. At least that isn't the one we use in Cleveland. I NEVER say I'm a union representative. That IS misleading. You are to say I'm calling in reference to the card you filled out about your no cost group benefits....and that IS the truth. We have been handselected by these unions, that's why we "cater" to them. We ARE the Union Insurance Company.
And as for the funeral, that is not how I explain it at all. And the clients who have lost loved ones and had their funerals taken care of since I've been there will disagree with you. As a matter of fact, we have funeral directors who have our coverage. I suppose you want our people to spend $100/month for a pre-paid funeral than $26/month for our coverage. And personally I feel almost all of our clients can afford our coverage. It pi**es me off when they have 4wheelers and motorcycles but say they can't afford to protect their family. That just says they don't give a sh**.
So, no offense, but you were the one misinformed and maybe you THOUGHT you knew the company and didn't. I know nothing about Wisconsin but I do know Cleveland cares more about the people than we do about our paycheck and any of my personal clients will agree to that.
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What's this? #92 UPDATE EX-employee responds
In regards to Barbara from Cleveland.
AUTHOR: Jason - (U.S.A.)
SUBMITTED: Sunday, December 03, 2006
POSTED: Tuesday, November 16, 2004
I'm happy things are going well for some of you, but let me assure you that there is a dark side to this Company.
First of all, I was trained by a person who started less than a month before I did. What a joke to have me drive 200 miles a day, for training by a kid with very little knowledge and experience. They let him train me because he wanted to get into management....at my expense.
The company-approved scripts we read during phone settings were very deceptive. Hi, this is --- ---, your Union Representative with American Income Life, how are you doing today? They love to cater to unions.
Just the first line confused most union members into thinking we represented their union (not OPEIU local 277). A sneaky way to slide under the radar of being a life insurance company. Being new, I had to explain to many members the difference here. It is the law to disclose that you are there to sell insurance...no candy coating.
And the leads you get, another lie. People reply to a letter they received from their union about some free benefits. We call them saying we need to stop by and deliver those benefits, then we try to sell them supplemental life and health insurance (disability, accidental, whole life, cancer, ect..) Very ethical, (wouldn't you agree?)
Then the funeral benefit really pi##ed me off. Once I learned about it a little more, I left the company almost immediately.....
Here's a part of the presentation about 3/4's of the way through the funeral benefit part (whole life).
OK Tom and Mary, now at age 65, theirs a decision you will have to make. Cash in your bucket (cv) and take the money to help supplement your retirement or social security, or take a paid up option. And all paid up means, is that we will make sure you have a funeral benefit, for your retirement, but it's already paid for. That's nice to know...now isn't it?
Why do I still remember this stuff?? Anyways, they clearly dodge a bullet here. They make sure we don't know more about how the policies work and just follow a script that screws people over.
The PAID-UP options are to take an extended term (cv pays for the policy up to a specific age set by the term), or a reduced paid up (reduce the policy amount and cover to age 100).
Why is this a big deal? Because a little $15,000 funeral policy will either end up to only cover to a specific age, which might be out lived, or it will be reduced to a smaller amount that probably won't cover the expenses by that time down the road.
They normally sell a smaller policy at first, because that opens up a need down the road to come back and increase coverage. At that point they have an older attained age, which means a new policy and new commissions for the agent.
Our weekly meeting was always a show of affection to our consumers. I remember one women getting ripped on for saying the people she saw could not afford any coverage. Yes, that is not her decision to make, but be a little more professional about it. It just shows the blood hungry nature of these managers.
I replied with, "what about a needs analysis?" Their answer was that their individual unions already did the needs analysis, and they ALL need our products. Like everyone is in the same financial situation.....how reckless can you get?
There were so many shady practices there. Once you get to a certain point in the company where you start to understand what is going on, you really have to make a conscious decision as to whether you stay there or not.
These comments don't necessarily reflect the company as a whole, but these are experiences with an individual agency with-in the company.
I only pray other agencies in this company do not operate this way.
First of all, I was trained by a person who started less than a month before I did. What a joke to have me drive 200 miles a day, for training by a kid with very little knowledge and experience. They let him train me because he wanted to get into management....at my expense.
The company-approved scripts we read during phone settings were very deceptive. Hi, this is --- ---, your Union Representative with American Income Life, how are you doing today? They love to cater to unions.
Just the first line confused most union members into thinking we represented their union (not OPEIU local 277). A sneaky way to slide under the radar of being a life insurance company. Being new, I had to explain to many members the difference here. It is the law to disclose that you are there to sell insurance...no candy coating.
And the leads you get, another lie. People reply to a letter they received from their union about some free benefits. We call them saying we need to stop by and deliver those benefits, then we try to sell them supplemental life and health insurance (disability, accidental, whole life, cancer, ect..) Very ethical, (wouldn't you agree?)
Then the funeral benefit really pi##ed me off. Once I learned about it a little more, I left the company almost immediately.....
Here's a part of the presentation about 3/4's of the way through the funeral benefit part (whole life).
OK Tom and Mary, now at age 65, theirs a decision you will have to make. Cash in your bucket (cv) and take the money to help supplement your retirement or social security, or take a paid up option. And all paid up means, is that we will make sure you have a funeral benefit, for your retirement, but it's already paid for. That's nice to know...now isn't it?
Why do I still remember this stuff?? Anyways, they clearly dodge a bullet here. They make sure we don't know more about how the policies work and just follow a script that screws people over.
The PAID-UP options are to take an extended term (cv pays for the policy up to a specific age set by the term), or a reduced paid up (reduce the policy amount and cover to age 100).
Why is this a big deal? Because a little $15,000 funeral policy will either end up to only cover to a specific age, which might be out lived, or it will be reduced to a smaller amount that probably won't cover the expenses by that time down the road.
They normally sell a smaller policy at first, because that opens up a need down the road to come back and increase coverage. At that point they have an older attained age, which means a new policy and new commissions for the agent.
Our weekly meeting was always a show of affection to our consumers. I remember one women getting ripped on for saying the people she saw could not afford any coverage. Yes, that is not her decision to make, but be a little more professional about it. It just shows the blood hungry nature of these managers.
I replied with, "what about a needs analysis?" Their answer was that their individual unions already did the needs analysis, and they ALL need our products. Like everyone is in the same financial situation.....how reckless can you get?
There were so many shady practices there. Once you get to a certain point in the company where you start to understand what is going on, you really have to make a conscious decision as to whether you stay there or not.
These comments don't necessarily reflect the company as a whole, but these are experiences with an individual agency with-in the company.
I only pray other agencies in this company do not operate this way.
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What's this? #93 UPDATE Employee
YOU JUST DON'T HAVE WHAT IT TAKES
AUTHOR: BARBARA - (U.S.A.)
SUBMITTED: Sunday, December 03, 2006
POSTED: Thursday, November 04, 2004
You are nuts to think AIL is a rip-off. And I don't appreciate it either. I've been there for 5 years and wish I would have found the company earlier in life. I am 28 and will retire at 35. Obviously if you haven't made it at AIL then you should not be in this business. We are given free leads and work with a solid market that no one else can work with. Anyone who is anyone in DC knows who we are. There are 2 different types of people in this world- the type that can motivate themselves and the type the needs to have someone telling them what to do every step of the way. If you can't motivate yourself and have no personality then you won't make it here. It doesn't take much and if you can't make it at AIL then you DEFINITELY won't make it at any other insurance company in the world so I suggest you find a different business to explore. Just because you can't sell(mind you our benefits sell themselves because they are so unique)doesn't mean a company is crap. So why don't you take a look at yourself before opening your big mouth. I take pride in what I do. I help families that otherwise would never have been contacted and would lose evreything unless they were seen by us.
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What's this? #94 Consumer Comment
AIL Just Called Me
AUTHOR: Kim - (U.S.A.)
SUBMITTED: Sunday, December 03, 2006
POSTED: Monday, October 18, 2004
A person calling me from the American Income HR Department left a voice mail on my cell phone this morning, saying they were extremely impressed with my resume and wanted to talk to me immediately. I racked my brain thinking have I been in touch with these people and I thought probably not, as I am working toward a career in the Legal Profession and would not have called this company about a job, as it doesn't sound like a Corporation, Law Firm, etc. It then occurred to me that AIL got my resume off CareerBuilder.com. I have gotten similar calls before, from MLM companies, and Car Dealerships, etc. looking for sales people. For ha-ha's I jumped on the internet and started researching AIL. I have been reading all the PRO-AIL comments and the CON-AIL comments and I can tell you I will NOT be calling these people back.
I can see that some are misinformed and being young college grads, probably don't have a whole lot of "real life" business experience. They joined AIL believing the "promises" that were made to them. They didn't do their "DUE DILIGENCE" and when the real ugly truth began to sink in it hurt. I can understand that. But anyone investigating a "business opportunity" MUST MUST MUST do their DUE DILIGENCE!! Get all the FACTS before you make a decision. If you can afford to shoulder a large part of the expense in getting your business off the ground, and see a real potential in the Insurance market, go for it. If you cannot afford overhead expenses while you are getting your business off the ground, don't do it. I DO believe this AIL company IS MISLEADING IN THE WAY THEY PRESENT THE OPPORTUNITY. There is a reason for that, as so many have pointed out, it's to GET YOU IN THE DOOR. I personally have never been a fan of insurance companies, therefore I would not have followed up on this opportunity anyway. It has been interesting to read all of the different points of view.
I do believe there are people out there making money with this company, but I must say, it sounds very very shady, and does have a Network Marketing aspect to it. I don't know if I could live with myself if I was misleading people INTENTIONALLY into an opportunity just to make a couple hundred bucks off of each one. These kinds of people are the lowest forms of life on the planet.
I can see that some are misinformed and being young college grads, probably don't have a whole lot of "real life" business experience. They joined AIL believing the "promises" that were made to them. They didn't do their "DUE DILIGENCE" and when the real ugly truth began to sink in it hurt. I can understand that. But anyone investigating a "business opportunity" MUST MUST MUST do their DUE DILIGENCE!! Get all the FACTS before you make a decision. If you can afford to shoulder a large part of the expense in getting your business off the ground, and see a real potential in the Insurance market, go for it. If you cannot afford overhead expenses while you are getting your business off the ground, don't do it. I DO believe this AIL company IS MISLEADING IN THE WAY THEY PRESENT THE OPPORTUNITY. There is a reason for that, as so many have pointed out, it's to GET YOU IN THE DOOR. I personally have never been a fan of insurance companies, therefore I would not have followed up on this opportunity anyway. It has been interesting to read all of the different points of view.
I do believe there are people out there making money with this company, but I must say, it sounds very very shady, and does have a Network Marketing aspect to it. I don't know if I could live with myself if I was misleading people INTENTIONALLY into an opportunity just to make a couple hundred bucks off of each one. These kinds of people are the lowest forms of life on the planet.
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What's this? #95 UPDATE Employee
Stop blaming other and accept responsibility.
AUTHOR: Kevin - (U.S.A.)
SUBMITTED: Sunday, December 03, 2006
POSTED: Saturday, September 25, 2004
I have been with American Income for 3 years and I would never leave. I started with the company the same way everyone else does at the bottom. I would like to address the concern that we are a multi-level marketing scam first. If you are an owner of a company that sells electronics persay and of course you had several stores that were staffed with managers and sales people. How do you think that the sales staff would get paid? They would be paid based on the profit of the goods that are being sold. Who gets the bulk of the profits the salesman/manager or the owner? All the money that is generated is based on the sales of the products and then it is divided up leaving the sales person with a percentage of the profit. Now what all the people that are calling us a rip off do not understand is that at American Income we do not place a set value on you i.e. salary, we allow to to prove your value. i.e. commission. What most people want is a base salary so they can get paid and not worry about being good at what they do. They just want to make sure that at the end of the week they have enough money to just get by.Lets now address the college graduate. Oh so many of the graduates want a 9-5 job with high pay. Well thats a thing of the past for the most part. Think of the people who make really good money do they work 9-5? By tha way good money in 2004 is 60k-80k a year. I have hired so many grads and I am proud to say that they are enjoying life and learning alot about themselves and the business world.Some of them start out slow and build up to a very nice income and some start out making great money. How many opporunities give you a clear and unabstructed path to business ownership with such a small financial investment. Look guy we realize that everyone does not make it in business especially the insurance business. It requires hard work, discipline,determination,courage,and most of all you have to be accountable. Just because you tried A.I.I. and it didn't work out for you that doesn't mean that we are a rip off. What if you were good with people and you did make lots of money like me, would you be saying the things you are saying? Instead of wasting your time reporting us to this site why don't you pick up a book by John Maxwell called Failing Forward. I spent 11 years in the retail business and yes they paid me a fixed salary and gave me benefits but now the company is out of business. So many large companies they offer these great benefits and large compensation packages and sending their loyal employees to the unempolyment line.A.I.L has never laid anyone off. We do not invite people to join us that are looking for something for nothing. No hand outs here. Futhermore everyone that comes aboard with us are not going to be cut out for the job and that is fine we understand that going in and we certainly make a very concerted effort not to mislead anyone into the opportunity.
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What's this? #96 UPDATE Employee
Research with the state- not disgruntled people
AUTHOR: David - (U.S.A.)
SUBMITTED: Sunday, December 03, 2006
POSTED: Wednesday, February 11, 2004
I have been with American Income for 12 years. I started the same as everyone else, as an agent. I paid money for the stated accredited school, paid the state of NJ to take the exam and paid the state of NJ for my license.
After proving myself as an agent, I was promoted into management. I was not required to bring people into the business to earn this promotion. My results with my clients earned the promotion.
I have since worked my way up to a Regional manager and make a very substantial living.
I keep seeing people write that American Income is multi-level marketing. Obviously, these people don't understand the insurance industry or the sales industry as a whole. Managers, in all sales organizations receive overrides. As an agent, this is the best thing that can ever happen to you. It means that your manager has a vested interest in how well you do. The more money you make, the more money your manager makes. What could be better.
If someone wants an opporunity to forge a life for themself based on what they put into a career vs. what somebody dictates you will earn, than American Income is a dream come true.
If you want to see the true reputation of American Income then go to the state insurance commission. They will give true facts. Don't waste your time listening to someone who is disgruntled. If that was the case, than no company in America would be worth working for. After all, every company has somebody who has failed. And of course, it is the company's fault, not the fault of the individual.
By the way, I know a person that is personally worth over $50 million. He refuses to spend more than $5 for a tie, yet donates millions of dollars each year to charities. Does this make him a bad person. I think not. He is someone with his priorities in the right place.
One more thing. I am a college dropout. It doesn't take a college degree to see a failure lashing out at success.
After proving myself as an agent, I was promoted into management. I was not required to bring people into the business to earn this promotion. My results with my clients earned the promotion.
I have since worked my way up to a Regional manager and make a very substantial living.
I keep seeing people write that American Income is multi-level marketing. Obviously, these people don't understand the insurance industry or the sales industry as a whole. Managers, in all sales organizations receive overrides. As an agent, this is the best thing that can ever happen to you. It means that your manager has a vested interest in how well you do. The more money you make, the more money your manager makes. What could be better.
If someone wants an opporunity to forge a life for themself based on what they put into a career vs. what somebody dictates you will earn, than American Income is a dream come true.
If you want to see the true reputation of American Income then go to the state insurance commission. They will give true facts. Don't waste your time listening to someone who is disgruntled. If that was the case, than no company in America would be worth working for. After all, every company has somebody who has failed. And of course, it is the company's fault, not the fault of the individual.
By the way, I know a person that is personally worth over $50 million. He refuses to spend more than $5 for a tie, yet donates millions of dollars each year to charities. Does this make him a bad person. I think not. He is someone with his priorities in the right place.
One more thing. I am a college dropout. It doesn't take a college degree to see a failure lashing out at success.
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What's this? #97 UPDATE Employee
I choose AIL because of the opportunities they had in the Des Moines area and the income potential.
AUTHOR: John - (U.S.A.)
SUBMITTED: Sunday, December 03, 2006
POSTED: Sunday, February 08, 2004
I, like many, struggled out of college and was very unhappy with my first job at S&P. I decided to get my MBA also but found that it wasn't going to be the key to my success. I was hired to work for American Income Life in March of 2003.
I choose AIL because of the opportunities they had in the Des Moines area and the income potential. I also choose AIL because they were very upfront with me about what I would be doing and how I would be getting paid. I have visited only one other office in the country but based on what I have read, I believe that this is something that the company must improve on to save its name.
After I was given the job offer, I enrolled into a 2 day class and signed up for the State Life and Health Test. The class, test, and license cost me approx. $300 which I paid out of my own pocket. There are two reasons that the company doesn't pay for these costs. 1. Sales Managers are cheap. 2. You can work for any other company with that license.
After passing the test on Friday, I started my training on Monday out of the Omaha Office. The other person in the training class, Laura, had been a nurse for several years and had no insurance background like myself. I thought it was strange that we were in the same situation but I was just excited to start something new.
After 2 weeks of training in Omaha which was unpaid including expenses), I started my career with AIL. I was given a list of roughly 100 union workers and setup as many appointments as possible. Because I was excited about my new job and worked hard, my first month at AIL I made nearly $4,000.
For my first 3 weeks at an agent contract, I only made 26% of what I sold but I was moved up to 32% starting my 4th week. My favorite thing about working for AIL is that all promotions are all laid out. I knew what I needed to do to make what I wanted to make.
After another successful month in April, I was again promoted to a supervising agent position where I now made about 34%(5% raise). I began to become involved in the recruiting process only 8 weeks after starting. My role was to call on resumes that we received from monster.com and hotjobs.com and setup an interview.
After 4 months with the company, I began conducting my own interviews. I currently hold the highest management contract with the company and my focus is on training, managing, and recruiting of new employees.
Based on what I have read, here are some of the main differences there may be between my office and others. I cannot speak for all offices in the country, only my own.
1. We do not charge for training or make money on it. Agents must obtain their life and health license on their own.
2. We do not charge for materials or leads. Agents must provide transportation to appointments.
3. People make money. The girl Denisse said she made sometimes $50 a week while working 80 hours a week. Unsure what she doing with her time.
4. We are upfront about how much money they will make. I was told I would make $40-50,000 my first year and I have.
5. We have benefits. I receive a check each month for $160 my our health insurance and I am covered for $10,000 for life insurance.
6. All leads are provided to agents. Agents do not have to sell friends and families, cold call, or door knock. If they want to sell those people, they can but are not pressured to.
7. Our office invests money in its agents. Leads can cost up to $20 each to provide for its agents. Most insurance companies charge their agents for leads or are not given any at all.
AIL gave me an opportunity which was the most challenging things I have done. I came in to the company with no sales, insurance or management experience and I am now in charge of training, managing and recruiting new agents in our area as the office manager.
AIL IS NOT FOR EVERYONE. To be successful at AIL, you must be willing to work 70-80 hours a week including weekends your first year. If you are not willing to do that, you will never have success no matter how many people you can "sucker" to work for you. To become a manager, you have to show that you can be a successful agent so you will be able to train others.
I love guys like Martin in Charlotte who call themselves a victim of AIL because they "wasted" 2 hours of his time while being unemployed. He goes on and on about something he knows nothing about but makes sure to add that he has a $2900 suit even though he hated the fact that the guy who interviewed him talked about money 80% of the time. Make up your mind buddy.
I encourage all young, driven, and ambitious people to consider AIL because if the endless opportunities and income potential. AIL has doubled its agents in the last 4 years when most companies have had substantial layoffs and cuts.
I choose AIL because of the opportunities they had in the Des Moines area and the income potential. I also choose AIL because they were very upfront with me about what I would be doing and how I would be getting paid. I have visited only one other office in the country but based on what I have read, I believe that this is something that the company must improve on to save its name.
After I was given the job offer, I enrolled into a 2 day class and signed up for the State Life and Health Test. The class, test, and license cost me approx. $300 which I paid out of my own pocket. There are two reasons that the company doesn't pay for these costs. 1. Sales Managers are cheap. 2. You can work for any other company with that license.
After passing the test on Friday, I started my training on Monday out of the Omaha Office. The other person in the training class, Laura, had been a nurse for several years and had no insurance background like myself. I thought it was strange that we were in the same situation but I was just excited to start something new.
After 2 weeks of training in Omaha which was unpaid including expenses), I started my career with AIL. I was given a list of roughly 100 union workers and setup as many appointments as possible. Because I was excited about my new job and worked hard, my first month at AIL I made nearly $4,000.
For my first 3 weeks at an agent contract, I only made 26% of what I sold but I was moved up to 32% starting my 4th week. My favorite thing about working for AIL is that all promotions are all laid out. I knew what I needed to do to make what I wanted to make.
After another successful month in April, I was again promoted to a supervising agent position where I now made about 34%(5% raise). I began to become involved in the recruiting process only 8 weeks after starting. My role was to call on resumes that we received from monster.com and hotjobs.com and setup an interview.
After 4 months with the company, I began conducting my own interviews. I currently hold the highest management contract with the company and my focus is on training, managing, and recruiting of new employees.
Based on what I have read, here are some of the main differences there may be between my office and others. I cannot speak for all offices in the country, only my own.
1. We do not charge for training or make money on it. Agents must obtain their life and health license on their own.
2. We do not charge for materials or leads. Agents must provide transportation to appointments.
3. People make money. The girl Denisse said she made sometimes $50 a week while working 80 hours a week. Unsure what she doing with her time.
4. We are upfront about how much money they will make. I was told I would make $40-50,000 my first year and I have.
5. We have benefits. I receive a check each month for $160 my our health insurance and I am covered for $10,000 for life insurance.
6. All leads are provided to agents. Agents do not have to sell friends and families, cold call, or door knock. If they want to sell those people, they can but are not pressured to.
7. Our office invests money in its agents. Leads can cost up to $20 each to provide for its agents. Most insurance companies charge their agents for leads or are not given any at all.
AIL gave me an opportunity which was the most challenging things I have done. I came in to the company with no sales, insurance or management experience and I am now in charge of training, managing and recruiting new agents in our area as the office manager.
AIL IS NOT FOR EVERYONE. To be successful at AIL, you must be willing to work 70-80 hours a week including weekends your first year. If you are not willing to do that, you will never have success no matter how many people you can "sucker" to work for you. To become a manager, you have to show that you can be a successful agent so you will be able to train others.
I love guys like Martin in Charlotte who call themselves a victim of AIL because they "wasted" 2 hours of his time while being unemployed. He goes on and on about something he knows nothing about but makes sure to add that he has a $2900 suit even though he hated the fact that the guy who interviewed him talked about money 80% of the time. Make up your mind buddy.
I encourage all young, driven, and ambitious people to consider AIL because if the endless opportunities and income potential. AIL has doubled its agents in the last 4 years when most companies have had substantial layoffs and cuts.
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What's this? #98 Consumer Comment
Know what you are talking about before you accuse
AUTHOR: Dave - (U.S.A.)
SUBMITTED: Sunday, December 03, 2006
POSTED: Monday, February 02, 2004
Someone wrote that American Income Life Insurance company profits from the insurance training course:
<< $300 x 25 a week on average = $30,000 a month.
Thats right. A $30,000 a month operation of getting money out of unknowing job seekers. But how do they do it, and how does it continue? ...
... all the while the office that hires you is making $300 a pop for every person they train. >>
This is not so. It is a requirement of the state insurance regulatory authorities that prospective insurance producers take a license exam preparatory class from an approved school. The schools that are on the NEVADA STATE INSURANCE DIVISION web site, for example, as approved schools, typically charge about $300. These schools are not owned by American Income Life Insurance Co. It is a heavy duty test, the insurance producer test in the state of Nevada. Anyone who passes it, my hat's off to them.
Insurance agents (now called "producers") are in business for themselves. They have business start-up costs like any other entrepreneurs. Producers with American Income Life are not employees. They have to pay their own travel expenses, school expense, office expense, phone bills, etc. Someone said she spent $3,000 to start her insurance business with American Income Life. Wow, that sounds great, if that's all it costs to get into such a great career.
Insurance sales is consistently one of the top paying careers. It is not a career suited for people who think it is wrong for hard workers and their supervisors to make a lot of money. The Life Insurance business is a proud American tradition, invented in America, known for high integrity in honoring their contracts. It is also highly regulated by each state. Anyone inquiring about a particular insurance company need only go to their state's insurance regulatory department. There, you will get information much more true and reliable than what I have seen in this forum.
<< $300 x 25 a week on average = $30,000 a month.
Thats right. A $30,000 a month operation of getting money out of unknowing job seekers. But how do they do it, and how does it continue? ...
... all the while the office that hires you is making $300 a pop for every person they train. >>
This is not so. It is a requirement of the state insurance regulatory authorities that prospective insurance producers take a license exam preparatory class from an approved school. The schools that are on the NEVADA STATE INSURANCE DIVISION web site, for example, as approved schools, typically charge about $300. These schools are not owned by American Income Life Insurance Co. It is a heavy duty test, the insurance producer test in the state of Nevada. Anyone who passes it, my hat's off to them.
Insurance agents (now called "producers") are in business for themselves. They have business start-up costs like any other entrepreneurs. Producers with American Income Life are not employees. They have to pay their own travel expenses, school expense, office expense, phone bills, etc. Someone said she spent $3,000 to start her insurance business with American Income Life. Wow, that sounds great, if that's all it costs to get into such a great career.
Insurance sales is consistently one of the top paying careers. It is not a career suited for people who think it is wrong for hard workers and their supervisors to make a lot of money. The Life Insurance business is a proud American tradition, invented in America, known for high integrity in honoring their contracts. It is also highly regulated by each state. Anyone inquiring about a particular insurance company need only go to their state's insurance regulatory department. There, you will get information much more true and reliable than what I have seen in this forum.
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What's this? #99 Consumer Comment
Why the confusion? seems like everyone has been expecting to get a job
AUTHOR: Andre - (U.S.A.)
SUBMITTED: Sunday, December 03, 2006
POSTED: Thursday, November 13, 2003
First off I want to say that I am not associated with this company in any way shape or form. I am a Mortgage Broker in Kansas City. I have a friend who has been checking out American Income so I did some research for him. After reading all of the complaints against the company I noticed a common thread. It seems like everyone has been expecting to get a job. According to what I can see you are contracted as an Independent Contractor which essentially means you are not an employee by legal/IRS/corporate standards, thus the company legally can not provide certain "benefits" that are given to employees (see nolo.com for more information). As far as not paying for training, supplies or reimbursing for mileage; as a contractor all of these things are tax deductible. I think that people should do more research on all aspects of a business before making conclusions based on what other people (who have not done any research either) are saying. Research independent contracting. Research the insurance industry. Research tax, employment and labor laws. Then you can make an informed decision; and that is my 2 cents.
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What's this? #100 UPDATE EX-employee responds
READ THIS!!!! THE HEADS UP ON AMERICAN INCOME LIFE
AUTHOR: Martin - (U.S.A.)
SUBMITTED: Sunday, December 03, 2006
POSTED: Friday, September 05, 2003
Hey guys,
After much investigation (an becoming a victim once myself), I've finally got the heads up on American Income Life. And here's the operation, the real deal, from start to finish.
American Income Life, a subsidiary of Torchmark, LLC, to put this as simply as possible, is really just one huge MLM. Thats right. It's a very complex, very clever pyramid scheme. And I have it figured out.
Like many of you, not too long ago I was becoming very frustrated with the job search, especially after recently graduating. Then one day, I get a call from American Income Life. They say that they love my resume, and that I should come in for an interview and talk about "rockin' and rollin' with the Insurance business". Now, keep this in mind, my resume is mainly as a customer service, technical support representative. How on earth am I a perfect candidate to sell insurance? But none the less, I think (stupidly) that there is something that they see in there that is convincing them I am potential for a career in insurance sales, and I agree to an interview.
Quick Fact: Now, the caller ID from this call for my interview read "Hughes & Associates". A private office.
I was told to wear a suit, and to get "spiffed up" because the "Regional State Manager" would be in the office. So I wear one of my nicest, ($2,900) Adolfo suits, given to me by my father as a gift.
The next day, I go to the Hughes & Associates office. I park, and walk in, and noticably there is a small stick-in-the ground sign that reads "AMERICAN INCOME" with a large yellow arrow pointing to the office, so I proceed to walk in. I enter a waiting room, with about 25 adults (at least), filling out clipboards. They ask me if I'm here for an interview and I say "Yes," and I'm given a clip board and told to sit down. So I do so.
The clip board asks questions like "Why do u want to work for American Income Life", etc, and asks me about my personal and professional experiences and what I want out of a career. So, me being my usual bull**** self, i give a pretty **** good answer. "To establish a career in a professional environment in order to meet my short and longterm goals, as well as achieve a substantial income in doing so." At any rate, after filling out this clip board I am asked to come into a man's office for an interview, so I do so.
I sit down. As I am sitting down I notice he is playing with his tie. Hmmm... I read the label on the back, it says "PURITAN". Puritan... a brand of necktie... Yes. A Walmart brand. That was one of the first heads up. Why would a professional making 6 figures a year wear a $5 tie from Walmart? I pass this off as, "Meh? He's conservative."
He then explains to me that I will go through a process of 3 interviews, that this is just the initial phase and that if asked to come back, I would be considered for a position as an agent/manager in training. Sounds good to me. He then asks me what it is I want out of my career. But listen to how he words it...
"So what it is that you are trying to achieve out of your position in your career?"
I laughingly answer, "I want a career with a lot of growth.". He then says, "Want to know what I wrote on the clipboard?" I say, "Yes." He says "Interested in making a 6 figure income." Hmmm... Not what I said at all. He then continues to talk, and talk, and talk about the potential for making 6 figures in this industry. He talks about how he is retired military after 22 years and has been with the company for 5 weeks and has already moved up because of his "managerial position" as he puts it. After listening to him ramble, I think to myself, isn't it unprofessional to talk about money 80% of the time, and also, why would someone making six figures, have bad grammar?
I leave the interview, wondering, pondering, feeling a little distastful, and feeling a little uneasy. So I go home and quickly hit google, the forums, and everything. And boom, there it was. If not for my own instinct, I would've been had. I would've been yet another victim to a malitious and highly sophisticated plot, to scam us, weary job seekers out of OUR money.
And now you ask, how? Well here is how:
Think about it. It's actually very clever, very smart, and very possible. On average, with 6.5% unemployement, in a city of 1,000,000 (average US metropolitan population), at least 65,000 people would be seeking employment. In my town, Charlotte, unemployment is even higher, 8%. So that means 80,000 people could be hitting these job boards, and postings, and ads everyday.
Now consider this. With Department of Labor statistics estimating at least 40% of these structurally unemployed persons, being sales professionals, that means that 32,000 people would be seeking sales jobs, very single day.
So, how does this tie into American Income Life. Okay, think further. They attack job boards. I searched Monster.com, Hotjobs.com, CareerBuilder.com, there were over 1,500 job postings by AIL. Thats right. 1,500.
As soon as 1 of every 32,000 sales professionals seeking employment everyday searchs for "SALES", AIL would pop up. They have a great ad, offering huge pay, little experience, no educational requirements, training, bonuses, trips, incentives, everything that will put a nice furry cushion under your jobless ass. And so, you give them your information, and you're invited to an interview.
And here's how the thing goes down:
You come in for a series of interviews, and they prospect whether or not you are sucker enough to accept a position.
Virtually anyone who decides to come back, comes back, but part of the pitch is, they make you think you have to be "one-of-a-kind".
When you come back, twice, and finally a third time, they figure they have weeded out those who have caught on to the scheme, and that you are the final suckers, and are willing to proceed further. They've already wasted 3 weeks of your time by now.
Then, they put you through a training course. For $300, you could easily buy materials, a book, and study for the $99 Insurance Licensure elsewhere. However, you train with them. So, they have already made $300 off of YOU. You have payed them. Think about it.
$300 x 25 a week on average = $30,000 a month.
Thats right. A $30,000 a month operation of getting money out of unknowing job seekers. But how do they do it, and how does it continue?
In otherwords, they are always hiring, because just that--THEY ARE ALWAYS HIRING. They hire you, they dont compensate you for expenses, they put you through a bull**** training seminar, which mostly talks about money, and then IF you pass the Insurance Exam, you go out and sell insurance for the person who hires you.
But what the hell does that have to do with AIL or Torchmark? Think about it. You can become a manager in 6 months if you get people to work under you, and sell life insurance also. And the money goes all the way to the top. In otherwords, if you get 10 people to work under you, you get a piece of what they make, and if they get 10 people under them, they get a piece of what they make, and so on and so forth, all the while the office that hires you is making $300 a pop for every person they train.
This can become a very big operation, and generate a lot of income. For who? Not for you. For the person in charge of it all. The person who owns that office, in my case, Mr. Hughes, of Hughes & Associates.
What do you get? A measely commission only compensation, based at 26% of what you write. The rest follows its way up to the top. Right to the top of the pyramid. Thats right folks. Thats MLM in a nutshell, pure and simple. But who would've thought a scam within a scam could sell life insurance?
Easy. Its a product. Its easy. Everybody needs it. They make the customers feel guilty (what are you gonna leave your family when u die?), and so they buy into it. They target a niche market so that they can generate absolute leads....
...wait a minute... absolute leads. Now think, never during any of the interviews, or any of the training, did they talk about the customer, or the leads. But heres where Torchmark comes in.
Torchmark is just the overseer of the plot. Torchmark, based in Waco, TX, is a telemarketing solutions provider. They hit up the US Postal Service, Telephone Companies, everything they can, and even pose as Union Members to gain leads to their niche markets.
They also own:
United American Insurance
Cornerstone Benefits America
American Income Life
National Income Life
United Life & Accident
Wait, tahts 1,2,3,4, (5) Insurance companies under the same corporate overseer. Why would they have competitors within their own corporate entity, and is this legal.
Yes, it is.
And the unfortunate thing is the reason why. In furthering the longevity of this pyramid scheme, since most schemes dry up after a short while, they establish other companies in other niche markets, and make each one appear to be a different employer. But no matter what, trust me, the money is going to the same **** place.
Torchmark generated over $800,000,000 in profits last year.
I hope this is starting to make sense. I hope that if you are, or have considered, or have even been victimized by AIL, or any of its sister companies, or its corporate overseer, that this will answer some questions you have, or head you away from even considering a 1st interview with this disgusting scam.
It's a shame, for many of us, it came too late. Search this board, search the internet, you'll find many horror stories of so called "employees" of AIL who have been victimized.
On another note, you should also know that you are not actually ever an employee of AIL. They offer no benefits. You are an "independent contractor", just a fancy word for... "home based business". Keep that in mind.
The maneurisms and the dialouge of these plots, and these scams, and these companies may be clever, they may be complex, and sophisticated almost to the point of impossible detection,
But also keep in mind, they will dry up soon. And in the end, the only ones who will benefit, will be the corporate directors, the President of Torchmark, and those at the top of the pyramid. Us left at the bottom, we are just the afterproduct.
The real victims are the ones holding the useless insurance policies, who have been hassled by the byproduct of a con-artist set out to make it rich in a jobless economy.
Good luck, and god bless. Hope this makes sense.
Post your comments and questions below..
After much investigation (an becoming a victim once myself), I've finally got the heads up on American Income Life. And here's the operation, the real deal, from start to finish.
American Income Life, a subsidiary of Torchmark, LLC, to put this as simply as possible, is really just one huge MLM. Thats right. It's a very complex, very clever pyramid scheme. And I have it figured out.
Like many of you, not too long ago I was becoming very frustrated with the job search, especially after recently graduating. Then one day, I get a call from American Income Life. They say that they love my resume, and that I should come in for an interview and talk about "rockin' and rollin' with the Insurance business". Now, keep this in mind, my resume is mainly as a customer service, technical support representative. How on earth am I a perfect candidate to sell insurance? But none the less, I think (stupidly) that there is something that they see in there that is convincing them I am potential for a career in insurance sales, and I agree to an interview.
Quick Fact: Now, the caller ID from this call for my interview read "Hughes & Associates". A private office.
I was told to wear a suit, and to get "spiffed up" because the "Regional State Manager" would be in the office. So I wear one of my nicest, ($2,900) Adolfo suits, given to me by my father as a gift.
The next day, I go to the Hughes & Associates office. I park, and walk in, and noticably there is a small stick-in-the ground sign that reads "AMERICAN INCOME" with a large yellow arrow pointing to the office, so I proceed to walk in. I enter a waiting room, with about 25 adults (at least), filling out clipboards. They ask me if I'm here for an interview and I say "Yes," and I'm given a clip board and told to sit down. So I do so.
The clip board asks questions like "Why do u want to work for American Income Life", etc, and asks me about my personal and professional experiences and what I want out of a career. So, me being my usual bull**** self, i give a pretty **** good answer. "To establish a career in a professional environment in order to meet my short and longterm goals, as well as achieve a substantial income in doing so." At any rate, after filling out this clip board I am asked to come into a man's office for an interview, so I do so.
I sit down. As I am sitting down I notice he is playing with his tie. Hmmm... I read the label on the back, it says "PURITAN". Puritan... a brand of necktie... Yes. A Walmart brand. That was one of the first heads up. Why would a professional making 6 figures a year wear a $5 tie from Walmart? I pass this off as, "Meh? He's conservative."
He then explains to me that I will go through a process of 3 interviews, that this is just the initial phase and that if asked to come back, I would be considered for a position as an agent/manager in training. Sounds good to me. He then asks me what it is I want out of my career. But listen to how he words it...
"So what it is that you are trying to achieve out of your position in your career?"
I laughingly answer, "I want a career with a lot of growth.". He then says, "Want to know what I wrote on the clipboard?" I say, "Yes." He says "Interested in making a 6 figure income." Hmmm... Not what I said at all. He then continues to talk, and talk, and talk about the potential for making 6 figures in this industry. He talks about how he is retired military after 22 years and has been with the company for 5 weeks and has already moved up because of his "managerial position" as he puts it. After listening to him ramble, I think to myself, isn't it unprofessional to talk about money 80% of the time, and also, why would someone making six figures, have bad grammar?
I leave the interview, wondering, pondering, feeling a little distastful, and feeling a little uneasy. So I go home and quickly hit google, the forums, and everything. And boom, there it was. If not for my own instinct, I would've been had. I would've been yet another victim to a malitious and highly sophisticated plot, to scam us, weary job seekers out of OUR money.
And now you ask, how? Well here is how:
Think about it. It's actually very clever, very smart, and very possible. On average, with 6.5% unemployement, in a city of 1,000,000 (average US metropolitan population), at least 65,000 people would be seeking employment. In my town, Charlotte, unemployment is even higher, 8%. So that means 80,000 people could be hitting these job boards, and postings, and ads everyday.
Now consider this. With Department of Labor statistics estimating at least 40% of these structurally unemployed persons, being sales professionals, that means that 32,000 people would be seeking sales jobs, very single day.
So, how does this tie into American Income Life. Okay, think further. They attack job boards. I searched Monster.com, Hotjobs.com, CareerBuilder.com, there were over 1,500 job postings by AIL. Thats right. 1,500.
As soon as 1 of every 32,000 sales professionals seeking employment everyday searchs for "SALES", AIL would pop up. They have a great ad, offering huge pay, little experience, no educational requirements, training, bonuses, trips, incentives, everything that will put a nice furry cushion under your jobless ass. And so, you give them your information, and you're invited to an interview.
And here's how the thing goes down:
You come in for a series of interviews, and they prospect whether or not you are sucker enough to accept a position.
Virtually anyone who decides to come back, comes back, but part of the pitch is, they make you think you have to be "one-of-a-kind".
When you come back, twice, and finally a third time, they figure they have weeded out those who have caught on to the scheme, and that you are the final suckers, and are willing to proceed further. They've already wasted 3 weeks of your time by now.
Then, they put you through a training course. For $300, you could easily buy materials, a book, and study for the $99 Insurance Licensure elsewhere. However, you train with them. So, they have already made $300 off of YOU. You have payed them. Think about it.
$300 x 25 a week on average = $30,000 a month.
Thats right. A $30,000 a month operation of getting money out of unknowing job seekers. But how do they do it, and how does it continue?
In otherwords, they are always hiring, because just that--THEY ARE ALWAYS HIRING. They hire you, they dont compensate you for expenses, they put you through a bull**** training seminar, which mostly talks about money, and then IF you pass the Insurance Exam, you go out and sell insurance for the person who hires you.
But what the hell does that have to do with AIL or Torchmark? Think about it. You can become a manager in 6 months if you get people to work under you, and sell life insurance also. And the money goes all the way to the top. In otherwords, if you get 10 people to work under you, you get a piece of what they make, and if they get 10 people under them, they get a piece of what they make, and so on and so forth, all the while the office that hires you is making $300 a pop for every person they train.
This can become a very big operation, and generate a lot of income. For who? Not for you. For the person in charge of it all. The person who owns that office, in my case, Mr. Hughes, of Hughes & Associates.
What do you get? A measely commission only compensation, based at 26% of what you write. The rest follows its way up to the top. Right to the top of the pyramid. Thats right folks. Thats MLM in a nutshell, pure and simple. But who would've thought a scam within a scam could sell life insurance?
Easy. Its a product. Its easy. Everybody needs it. They make the customers feel guilty (what are you gonna leave your family when u die?), and so they buy into it. They target a niche market so that they can generate absolute leads....
...wait a minute... absolute leads. Now think, never during any of the interviews, or any of the training, did they talk about the customer, or the leads. But heres where Torchmark comes in.
Torchmark is just the overseer of the plot. Torchmark, based in Waco, TX, is a telemarketing solutions provider. They hit up the US Postal Service, Telephone Companies, everything they can, and even pose as Union Members to gain leads to their niche markets.
They also own:
United American Insurance
Cornerstone Benefits America
American Income Life
National Income Life
United Life & Accident
Wait, tahts 1,2,3,4, (5) Insurance companies under the same corporate overseer. Why would they have competitors within their own corporate entity, and is this legal.
Yes, it is.
And the unfortunate thing is the reason why. In furthering the longevity of this pyramid scheme, since most schemes dry up after a short while, they establish other companies in other niche markets, and make each one appear to be a different employer. But no matter what, trust me, the money is going to the same **** place.
Torchmark generated over $800,000,000 in profits last year.
I hope this is starting to make sense. I hope that if you are, or have considered, or have even been victimized by AIL, or any of its sister companies, or its corporate overseer, that this will answer some questions you have, or head you away from even considering a 1st interview with this disgusting scam.
It's a shame, for many of us, it came too late. Search this board, search the internet, you'll find many horror stories of so called "employees" of AIL who have been victimized.
On another note, you should also know that you are not actually ever an employee of AIL. They offer no benefits. You are an "independent contractor", just a fancy word for... "home based business". Keep that in mind.
The maneurisms and the dialouge of these plots, and these scams, and these companies may be clever, they may be complex, and sophisticated almost to the point of impossible detection,
But also keep in mind, they will dry up soon. And in the end, the only ones who will benefit, will be the corporate directors, the President of Torchmark, and those at the top of the pyramid. Us left at the bottom, we are just the afterproduct.
The real victims are the ones holding the useless insurance policies, who have been hassled by the byproduct of a con-artist set out to make it rich in a jobless economy.
Good luck, and god bless. Hope this makes sense.
Post your comments and questions below..
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What's this? #101 Consumer Comment
Recruiting is their goal
AUTHOR: Jim - (U.S.A.)
SUBMITTED: Sunday, December 03, 2006
POSTED: Friday, July 18, 2003
American Income Life is a multi-level marketing SCAM.. dare I say "pyramid...."
They are only concerned about recruiting others to work for them... that's the money you pay for "school" which isn't a school at all.. they give you materials that you can buy in any book store for far less... if anyone has ever seen the movie Boiler Room, you will understand the sick burning feeling in your stomach when you here their pitch.. I was very lucky to trust my instincts and do a touch more research before I accepted their off for employment..
After calling their HR director (for Brister-Gigilione/ New England) and asking two questions
"Would I be required to sign an IBA (contract for exclusive use of my license)" I was told yes and I responded with "Ok.".. next I asked if I would be required to recruit others.. I was told it depended on the position I was interested in... you see, the performance based promotions are based on who else you can dupe into taking this job, ripping off your hard earned $355... but I kept these thoughts silent and I asked "Well if I want to be a manager and so forth"...
I was met with this scripted response: Sara (HR) "Well that's a pretty bad attitude to have, but yes, because you will be running your own business" I'm sorry Sara did something rub you wrong, all I asked was a question and I made sure I asked it in a sincere, inquisitive way.. because I expected something to effect after reading rip-off report and e-groups comments on the way this company does business.. besides if I'm running my own business than why do I have a contract with you and why are you "hiring" me...
I want to thank everyone that kept me from getting ripped off... spread the word... American Income Life has many sister companies.. all under Torchmark Corp.. (National Income Life is another for example)
They are only concerned about recruiting others to work for them... that's the money you pay for "school" which isn't a school at all.. they give you materials that you can buy in any book store for far less... if anyone has ever seen the movie Boiler Room, you will understand the sick burning feeling in your stomach when you here their pitch.. I was very lucky to trust my instincts and do a touch more research before I accepted their off for employment..
After calling their HR director (for Brister-Gigilione/ New England) and asking two questions
"Would I be required to sign an IBA (contract for exclusive use of my license)" I was told yes and I responded with "Ok.".. next I asked if I would be required to recruit others.. I was told it depended on the position I was interested in... you see, the performance based promotions are based on who else you can dupe into taking this job, ripping off your hard earned $355... but I kept these thoughts silent and I asked "Well if I want to be a manager and so forth"...
I was met with this scripted response: Sara (HR) "Well that's a pretty bad attitude to have, but yes, because you will be running your own business" I'm sorry Sara did something rub you wrong, all I asked was a question and I made sure I asked it in a sincere, inquisitive way.. because I expected something to effect after reading rip-off report and e-groups comments on the way this company does business.. besides if I'm running my own business than why do I have a contract with you and why are you "hiring" me...
I want to thank everyone that kept me from getting ripped off... spread the word... American Income Life has many sister companies.. all under Torchmark Corp.. (National Income Life is another for example)
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What's this? #102 UPDATE Employee
No one owes anything to you
AUTHOR: Randy - (U.S.A.)
SUBMITTED: Sunday, December 03, 2006
POSTED: Tuesday, June 24, 2003
Greetings,
I worked for American Income for 4 years, in Houston and then Cincinnati.
I made over 40k a year and now receive renewal check to the tune of $400.00 a month.
Yes the work was hard but that's what it takes. Many times these days men and women think that when they get out of college people are lined up to hire them, this is not true.
The insurance business is tough, and leads are everything. American Income has more leads than any other company.
No one owes anything to you, you have to earn it through hard work and determanation.
If you want to earn great money by just showing up every day this is not the career for you. Find a goverment job.
America is a great nation, a nation that was not founded by cry babies.
God Bless America and God Bless American Income Life
I worked for American Income for 4 years, in Houston and then Cincinnati.
I made over 40k a year and now receive renewal check to the tune of $400.00 a month.
Yes the work was hard but that's what it takes. Many times these days men and women think that when they get out of college people are lined up to hire them, this is not true.
The insurance business is tough, and leads are everything. American Income has more leads than any other company.
No one owes anything to you, you have to earn it through hard work and determanation.
If you want to earn great money by just showing up every day this is not the career for you. Find a goverment job.
America is a great nation, a nation that was not founded by cry babies.
God Bless America and God Bless American Income Life
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What's this? #103 UPDATE Employee
Give a month to quit in 2???
AUTHOR: Junior - (U.S.A.)
SUBMITTED: Sunday, December 03, 2006
POSTED: Wednesday, June 04, 2003
I would simply like to ask these 3 questions:
Who in their right mind gives up an entire month of their time, efforts, and money to an employer that doesn't make any promises in reguards to a return on initial investment?
Second, after doing so, who is crazy enough to only stay with that company for two months before GIVING UP?
Finally, after giving up, who tells the entire world that they gave up so easily after giving so much time and money and trying so little (i.e. 2 months...COME ON!) for a return?
Who in their right mind gives up an entire month of their time, efforts, and money to an employer that doesn't make any promises in reguards to a return on initial investment?
Second, after doing so, who is crazy enough to only stay with that company for two months before GIVING UP?
Finally, after giving up, who tells the entire world that they gave up so easily after giving so much time and money and trying so little (i.e. 2 months...COME ON!) for a return?
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What's this? #104 UPDATE Employee
Give a month to quit in 2???
AUTHOR: Junior - (U.S.A.)
SUBMITTED: Sunday, December 03, 2006
POSTED: Wednesday, June 04, 2003
I would simply like to ask these 3 questions:
Who in their right mind gives up an entire month of their time, efforts, and money to an employer that doesn't make any promises in reguards to a return on initial investment?
Second, after doing so, who is crazy enough to only stay with that company for two months before GIVING UP?
Finally, after giving up, who tells the entire world that they gave up so easily after giving so much time and money and trying so little (i.e. 2 months...COME ON!) for a return?
Who in their right mind gives up an entire month of their time, efforts, and money to an employer that doesn't make any promises in reguards to a return on initial investment?
Second, after doing so, who is crazy enough to only stay with that company for two months before GIVING UP?
Finally, after giving up, who tells the entire world that they gave up so easily after giving so much time and money and trying so little (i.e. 2 months...COME ON!) for a return?
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What's this? #105 UPDATE Employee
Give a month to quit in 2???
AUTHOR: Junior - (U.S.A.)
SUBMITTED: Sunday, December 03, 2006
POSTED: Wednesday, June 04, 2003
I would simply like to ask these 3 questions:
Who in their right mind gives up an entire month of their time, efforts, and money to an employer that doesn't make any promises in reguards to a return on initial investment?
Second, after doing so, who is crazy enough to only stay with that company for two months before GIVING UP?
Finally, after giving up, who tells the entire world that they gave up so easily after giving so much time and money and trying so little (i.e. 2 months...COME ON!) for a return?
Who in their right mind gives up an entire month of their time, efforts, and money to an employer that doesn't make any promises in reguards to a return on initial investment?
Second, after doing so, who is crazy enough to only stay with that company for two months before GIVING UP?
Finally, after giving up, who tells the entire world that they gave up so easily after giving so much time and money and trying so little (i.e. 2 months...COME ON!) for a return?
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What's this? #106 Consumer Comment
Was called today for an interview! ..almost! - thanks to info on Rip-off Report
AUTHOR: C - ()
SUBMITTED: Sunday, December 03, 2006
POSTED: Monday, December 02, 2002
Received a call from someone offering an opportunity to interview, after being laid off you get a little excited. However, when she called and said they had the "perfect" job for me I asked some questions like how did you get my resume (since I never sent it)and asked for additional details on American Income. It was all very scripted and she offered me no real insight on why they contacted a graphics/marketing person for this golden opportunity. I
quickly became skeptical and told her I was not interested. I then looked this company on ripoffreport and low and behold some comments on this company.
Thanks ripoffreport...
quickly became skeptical and told her I was not interested. I then looked this company on ripoffreport and low and behold some comments on this company.
Thanks ripoffreport...
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