• Report: #242836

Complaint Review: American Intercontinental University Online (aka) AIU Online

  • Submitted: Sat, April 07, 2007
  • Updated: Mon, June 01, 2009

  • Reported By:Wauconda Illinois
American Intercontinental University Online (aka) AIU Online
www.aiuonline.edu Hoffman Estates, Illinois U.S.A.

AIU OnlineAmerican Intercontinental University Online (aka) AIU Online The truth about AIU online admissions Ripoff Hoffman Estates Illinois

*Consumer Comment: Are you kidding me?!

*UPDATE EX-employee responds: temporary employee at aiu online, what about the bathroom breaks?

*Consumer Comment: Lisa, I am not referring to you in my comment

*Consumer Comment: Response from 5-28-07 that didn't get posted

*Consumer Comment: Edited to add a few more clarifications in response to John's post against mine.

*Consumer Comment: Your rebuttal against mine does not even relate to what my previous post was about

*Consumer Comment: Your rebuttal against mine does not even relate to what my previous post was about

*Consumer Comment: Your rebuttal against mine does not even relate to what my previous post was about

*Consumer Comment: Your rebuttal against mine does not even relate to what my previous post was about

*UPDATE EX-employee responds: The Bottom Line

*Consumer Comment: To: Disgruntled Employee

*Consumer Comment: "I do not want to hire an employee who has been educated at AIU...." - Total 'Needle In a Haystack Opinion'

*UPDATE EX-employee responds: Give Me A Break

*Consumer Comment: Low-Quality Schools DO GET YOUR RESUME THROWN OUT

*Consumer Comment: Low-Quality Schools DO GET YOUR RESUME THROWN OUT

*Consumer Comment: Low-Quality Schools DO GET YOUR RESUME THROWN OUT

*Consumer Comment: Low-Quality Schools DO GET YOUR RESUME THROWN OUT

*UPDATE EX-employee responds: maybe you should take your own advice!

*Consumer Comment: Try COMPREHENDING what you read

*Consumer Comment: AIU is a good school but...

*Consumer Comment: Online Univs. Should Be Hearing the Death-Knell

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I worked as an employee of AIU Online for 19 months at one of the Illinois locations and was recently terminated for a dip in my performance over the last 3 months of my employment. AIU has a lot of positive attributes that I will state, however there are also many negatives that I have not seen mentioned here, so I would like to enlighten some of you with my knowledge.

The programs at AIU are phenomenal, I have a family member that actually designs the courses and she works very hard at what she does to make sure that the course materials are not only current and relevant, but presented in a way that is easily understood. The technology is not even closely matched by any of the other online universities (save CTU online, which uses the same platform)

I am not hugely familiar with the academic, or financial aid aspect of it, but I do know that AIU no longer takes credits from anywhere now, they do not do block transfers into a bachelors program anymore, even if an associates degree has already been conferred. Financial aid is now trained to have good interpersonal skill so that they are able to effectively communicate with students (which they still don't) needless to say, AIU is making changes to improve the inner workings of its departments.

Now on to admissions. where do I even begin? Last year there was supposed to be a switch in AIU from a sales culture to a more student based service culture. a lot of terminology was changed to seem more customer service oriented. despite all the smoke screens, it is not any different than it was before. There still remains a high pressure to hit numbers by any means possible.

The way that they go about doing this is by issuing advisors what is called a 30 day performance improvement plan, there are 3 phases of this plan. phase 1 is a verbal warning, you are not required to sign any thing, however it is clearly stated that you have to improve or unfavorable action might be taken against you. phase 2 is a written warning which states the same as phase 1, however you have to sign that you understand what the warning means and that you will do whatever you can to meet the expectations. Phase 3 is the final phase ( most people skip 1 and 2 and just go straight to this phase) this is the final written warning, and is almost a guarantee that you will be fired. The expectations in writing for all admissions advisors on this plan are that you get at least 6 enrollments and at least 4 of them start school. To a person who hasn't worked there would believe that this would be an easy goal to meet but it is not easy at all, and this is coming from a person who has been team lead several times and was always believed to be a person who would be in a management position.

The inquiries have traditionally been created from a variety of different sources, I remember a lot of people telling me that they were just filling out a survey, or trying to win something on the internet, and there is the obvious "real inquiry" a person that actually goes to www.aiuonline.edu and clicks "request information" I have never had a hard time getting a hold of people until recently and I know that these marketing tactics have changed because I had to start dialing the phone as much as 400 times a day to reach a handful of people (most of which were not happy to speak with me) maybe AIU has revamped there marketing process, and it holds a little more integrity then the prior method. However now you are left with over a thousand admissions advisors to call people that aren't necessarily looking to get college information.

Let's break this down; there was a culture change from sales to service, admissions advisors that didn't hit there numbers got put on plans, and the inquiries never requested information from AIU. How does one go about meeting the expectations the university has set for them under these circumstances? Sell Sell Sell! The truth of the matter is, there is a major problem with the organization and tactics the management uses to turn a profit. I'm not going to go as far as saying they are evil, but they are very immoral people that do not care about there employees wellbeing. I have seen a lot of good employees that truly cared for there students, and operated with complete integrity get the boot for having a bad month.

In closing, AIU offers a fantastic program that if properly presented to an employer should land you the job you are looking for, however don't be fooled, you are just a number as far as the people who run the university are concerned. If you can handle just being a number on the board, AIU might be a good choice. Your enrollment may actually save some poor guys job. If you are looking for a Job on the other hand, dont even consider working for this company. they treat there employees like crap, and use extreme pressure tactics to get them to produce, I may actually lose my house because they are trying to deny me unemployment while I search for another job, which is sad because AIU is the first company that ever wanted to let a hardworking employee such as myself go.

Mr. Mung
Wauconda, Illinois
U.S.A.

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#1 Consumer Comment

Are you kidding me?!

AUTHOR: King - (U.S.A.)

To those of you who have made comments about the reputation of an *online school* holding up to an *actual school* are ignorant in the manner of judgmental delusions. You're apparently sitting back on your cocky high horse believing that in some way those who make the decision to better their education through means of the internet are less of a person or less able to comprehend the education that a person who attends a physical school does. How ridiculous! In a person realizing that they need to get a formal education, they are bettering themselves and those around them for the future. What is wrong with that, nothing besides the prudent stuck up people of the world who point there noses up at those who are possibly more humble than they.

This entire report was based on the premise not that people shouldn't attend AIU for an education but that the working conditions are rougher than other places and if someone is considering working for them, they may want to reconsider. Of everything you could have pulled from it, it was that it's attendees have less of an education than you because of it. In the light of that childish completely ridiculous - in need of psycho therapy - comment, allow me to explain a few things. I am a student at AIU, I know others who also are in a program with AIU. I have gotten my AABA and am currently in a program to get my Bachelor's in Business Administration, the concentration I have chosen (HR) is one that I have had a passion for for quite some time now. I am also the type of person who does heavy research for any type of event or activity I am about to partake in. So, believe me, I did my research on this place before I chose them. I am also a single mother to a set of twins. I work 2 jobs. Not that I need to because I come from a very good family, but I am not the type of person to live off the family trust fund and then rag on others who try to make it for themselves. It was a convenient outlet for me to get another degree in and work it in around my schedule. I work hard, very very hard for everything I get, and everything I do; but at the end of the day when I read one of the B.S. reports, blogs, comments, or columns that put down something that I was open minded enough to try before, and that has been given an UNEDUCATED comment about, at least I can say (more than some) "been there did that - here's what I think - take it or leave it."

As far as those who think that hiring a person with an *online education* would mean the demise of their business (or some extent there of), here's to you - I am HIGHLY driven, and when given a task and the appropriate resources will research until I have an extremely detailed plan of action, then I attack until I get the job done right. I take risks and I take names, I am creative in the process consistently coming up with new ideas to get the job done and noticed. I don't waste time and everybody who knows me knows that I put human empathy, compassion, and respect into the every day work I do. To top that off my last IQ test I took resulted in a score of 135, the EI test I took was also high. I don't even need to rant on about my grades. So, to you - you literally do not know what your missing out on.

However, I think I'll add that I am also just 24 years old, my twins although very young are also intelligent, and within the next 2 years I will be teaching them, as well as myself, another language.

In conclusion, sorry to hear that the job didn't work out for you. You seemed pretty upset about it or you wouldn't have gone to the extent of making a huge public report about it. However, it is at the same time a job with goals to meet in a bad economy. An economy where the weak do not survive. I have a feeling that you'll do something better at your new job any how. Good luck.

Thank for taking the time to read my entry.
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#2 UPDATE EX-employee responds

temporary employee at aiu online, what about the bathroom breaks?

AUTHOR: Stoneskat - (U.S.A.)

Curious. Did they also tell you "first hour, and last hour of dials you are Not to be up from your cubicle." In fact, another team sent my team senior admissions advisor an email saying I was out of my cubicle during the last hour of dials, stating it as out of their normal procedure. I had to take a crap! God forbid, shall a human have to take a dump! I guess I should have wore pampers! Seriously, I was in the bathroom. I was told once by the same senior admissions advisor, during the first week of temporary employment with AIU ONline that "we are all adults, we can hold it!"

What about holding it? Is it legal for a Male Senior Admissions Advisor to tell an older Female Admissions ADvisor, temp employee to hold it?

Please advise, thanks.
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#3 Consumer Comment

Lisa, I am not referring to you in my comment

AUTHOR: Juliet - (U.S.A.)

In my response above, I wrote ''My reason for responding previously to rebuttals was the twisting of my words by uncomprehending individuals who read what they want to read.''

Lisa, if you take that to mean ''you'', I am sorry for not clearly stating that you aren't one of the people I was referring to. I'm sorry for further reinforcing your negative image of me by that oversight, I sure didn't want to do THAT, either.

You definitely didn't do those things, that is very clear, and I do appreciate being comprehended and not having my words twisted to mean what serves another's purpose.
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#4 Consumer Comment

Response from 5-28-07 that didn't get posted

AUTHOR: Juliet - (U.S.A.)

6-14-07: I submitted the below response on 5-28-07 but it doesn't seem to have been posted, so will submit it again. Other than that, nope, not here to bicker, but if anyone wonders why I haven't responded, well, I did, but it didn't post.

5-28-07 response:

I have no interest in arguing with anyone. My reason for responding previously to rebuttals was the twisting of my words by uncomprehending individuals who read what they want to read.

Life if life, like it or not, and people do hold affinities to certain places, as well as aversions to other places, and again, like it or not, folks, you will or won't be hired based on personal biases, although you will never know it, and never be able to prove it if you do find out about it. Not everything is a lawsuit, sorry.

I am not talking about the intolerable discriminations based on what you are born, or the effects life has had on you. Those are not choices. If these forces are at play, they ARE known, more often than not, by coworkers, bosses, etc., and need to be exposed and eliminated.

Outside of that, this is life. Think about your choices before making questionable ones, cause they do rebound, all your life, and in the strangest ways. It isn't ignorance speaking here, I wish it was. It's life, and sometimes, it really sucks when we have to face the consequences of our own choices, even if they weren't 'wrong'', just not choices that prove to be as beneficial as one would hope. And then you have the choices that ARE just flat-out wrong decisions. Deal with it. I do, just like everyone throughout history has always had to do.
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#5 Consumer Comment

Edited to add a few more clarifications in response to John's post against mine.

AUTHOR: Lisa - (U.S.A.)

Edited to add as an addition to my post earlier today.....


In my very first post on this thread which was dated 05/26, I stated to JULIET, ''Basically, your opinion is just a FORM of DISCRIMINATION.''


To clarify, the definition of discrimination means one of the following according to dictionary.com

1. an act or instance of discriminating.
2. treatment or consideration of, or making a distinction in favor of or against, a person or thing based on the group, class, or category to which that person or thing belongs rather than on individual merit: racial and religious intolerance and discrimination.
3. the power of making fine distinctions; discriminating judgment: She chose the colors with great discrimination.
4. Archaic. something that serves to differentiate



In addition, my quoted statement above does not imply that I was talking solely about business discrimination. Social and personal discriminations exist; even part of the definitions above is key elements of what social or personal discrimination is.

Also, just because I mentioned the EEOC later on in a different sentence, 'Yeah right, if you are a professional(I doubt you are) go ahead and pull off that number and someone just might be calling the EEOC on your butt ASAP.'' does not mean I was implying Juliet had an opinion based on actual business discrimination. Juliet's opinion of not wanting to hire anyone that was educated at AIU is discrimination based on a social or a personal discrimination. On a side note, she has no valid credible, professional or business reason to hold up her narrow-minded opinion. Anyways, her discrimination definitely fits one or more of the definitions above. As the definition says, "treatment or consideration of or making a distinction in favor or against a person or thing based on the group, class or category to which that person or thing belongs"

In this case, the group Juliet would be against is AIU students/graduates/alumni or that could be the specific category she would be against. Professionally, it is not best to bring social or personal discriminations into the workplace BECAUSE..as I explained in my earlier post today that little form of social or personal discrimination might lead an applicant to claim BUSINESS, LEGAL discrimination. That is where the EEOC comes in the picture and I did state one example in my post earlier today of how the EEOC might end up getting in the picture. Remember?

One small event can lead to another.. It seems very high school' or immature to bring personal or social discrimination into a professional workplace. Just WHAT IF, I decided to bring a social or personal discrimination into the workplace such as, "I don't want to hire anyone from Manhattan because they are aggressive people OR I don't want to hire anyone who attended The University of Rochester' because the graduates from there would be TOO smart and intimidate the other employees".etc. etc. In reality, I don't hold those opinions.

In addition John, your statement in your last post where you mentioned employers can discriminate on what school they attended is INCORRECT for this reason:

1. The example you posted where you were saying an employer CAN choose an applicant from other university over an applicant at AIU after they compare' and look at an applicant from the AIU applicant vs. the traditional university applicant does not even fit in the category of discrimination. In Juliet's opinion, she would not even CONSIDER any AIU applicant (she might just shred them all in the trash for all she cares). Thinking or doing actions like that or similar to that is again, a social or personal discrimination that again can lead to claims of more serious discriminations. So, in summary to this part, employers do not actually discriminate on what school the applicants attended because it's not even called discrimination. Instead it's a decision making process where they are free to ethically compare and choose one applicant over the other due the employer's job requirements or preference stated in assumed job position posting.


I would like to share a personal experience of mine. When I was younger, an employee at a dollar store I applied at literally threw out my application. I did not see them do it. I had filled out the application there in the store, in front of other employees, and left the application with the manager. The manager then said, in front of other employees, when to come in for an interview. When I went back for the interview a week later, the manager was not present, but the assistant manager was the person that was going to interview me. The assistant manager took me to the back for the interview and began looking in the files for my application (No, she did not have it ready). Well, it turns out she never found it?? How could a workplace lose an application of someone that is scheduled to get interviewed?? What I noticed was that they had some applications filled out by other people sitting out on the desk for any employee to possibly grab and get rid' of.

After I realized that my application disappeared." I began to think of different reasons why it disappeared or became lost? My biggest reason was that I knew a regular employee that worked there and knew my mom. She did not like my mom and she witnessed every event that occurred on the day I first applied and got set up on an interview. I made an assumption that SHE threw out my resume by possibly tearing it up and getting rid of it in one way or another?....

Anyways, I complained to the manager about the disappearing of my application. That didn't get resolved and I went to the EEOC because I felt like they ruined my chance of getting hired. My complaint with the EEOC was that they were discriminating against me because they did away with my application. My mom suggested what I should do and I was 16 at the time. She said it might be my age because there were no other high schoolers working there at the time. I used the business discrimination complaint of my AGE against the dollar store (when in fact, I thought it was the one employee that probably didn't like me for one reason or another and threw out my application. However, because of this employee's personal bias, it allowed me to claim an actual business discrimination case which was the AGE issue!). There eventually was a mediation carried out between the EEOC, me and the dollar store.


My story is an example of a SUSPECTING discrimination that can be claimed anytime someone's gut instinct or feelings tell them it is discrimination.
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#6 Consumer Comment

Your rebuttal against mine does not even relate to what my previous post was about

AUTHOR: Lisa - (U.S.A.)

John, I don't think you analyzed my last post very well. You were not very analyzing on what I posted and you don't sound very open-minded in the 'real-world' example you mentioned in your post.(which is YOUR scenario of hiring applicant A vs. applicant B)


You stated..............''To Lisa, I'm sorry to say but your completely wrong. To start, you are a bit misinformed about what a equal opportunity employer means.Employers cant discriminate based on race, color, religion, sex or age; they can, however, most definitely discriminate based on where you went to school. This is common practice and common sense. Maybe my example below can help clear this up.''

First of all, YOU are wrong on what you concluded about me, you jumped to a conclusion by stating this......

"you are a bit misinformed about what a equal opportunity employer means."............

Well, for your information, JUST BECAUSE I did not mention, explain, quote, or paraphrase the meaning or definition of an equal opportunity employer in my last post does not mean I do not know what it means. I AM NOT misinformed about the issue. I KNOW what it means. You also stated..........

"they can, however, most definitely discriminate based on where you went to school. This is common practice and common sense. Maybe my example
below can help clear this up."..................

OK, you stated your exact example was..
''Applicant A has a no experience but a degree from AIU. Admission to AIU requires a high school diploma. Applicant B has no experience but a degree from a state university. Admission into the state university requires at least: 4 years of HS English, 3 years of HS math, 2 years, HS arts, 2 years HS social studies, 2 years HS foreign language, at least a 23 on theACT, and two letters of recommendation. Who would you hire? Think about it. With your logic it would make no sense for someone to spend all that time and effort to go to a traditional school, if where you went to school didn't matter. Are all traditional college students wasting their time then? I don't think so.''........................

In the first place, YOUR example (where you are basically doing a comparison) would not even be considered or called any FORM of legal or SOCIAL (Juliet's type is almost as if it's related to high school drama) discrimination.
(Don't even reply to this and say in your own words that I said it was discrimination in my previous post because your example or scenario quoted above would be a different and new subject material vs. everything I said in my last post in response to what I quoted from Juliet. My last post was against some statements Juliet mentioned and in summary, her statements that I quoted were basically that she was NOT going to hire or consider ANY AIU graduate regardless of the other factors on their resume. Assumingly,the resume would just be avoided once she sees AIU in the section. Did you comprehend HER last post in the first place?? Wait, did you comprehend the statements I quoted from her post?? Your example of comparing one university to a traditional university would not even exist in her picture or thoughts. When I was responding to what I quoted from her, your simple example would have never entered my thoughts either. That is because the example you explained is backing up a different subject [A subject of comparing traditional university to AIU online] that never existed in my previous post to begin with. Remember, on my last post, my opinions and reasons against the statements I quoted from her last post were ONLY based on the fact that she was going to let her personal opinion, which was AUTOMATICALLY NOT to hire ANY AIU graduate/student, to be incorporated into HER hiring practice, which also means she would not even waster her time and bother to do any comparisons similar to what you did in YOUR example)

In summay to that part, when an employer IS comparing one resume against another and they actually are comparing where the applicant graduated from as part of the decision process, that would NOT be called discrimination. In your type of scenario or example, of course, it is okay for an employer to choose an entry-level graduate from one university over an entry-level graduate from another university, etc. (For example, Harvard grad or other prestigious university grad chosen over AIU grad, BUT, on an analytical note; the outcome will not always be that the graduate from the prestigious university was selected over the AIU graduate or a graduate of lesser known university BECAUSE employers look at other factors as well such as job experience, certifications, etc.)

Before I continue to explain why your earlier judgment against my post dated 05/26 was wrong and sounded partly off topic I have to clear up one SIMPLE point with you...............First, for your information, my post on 05/26 was a rebuttal to a statement that someone else named Juliet mentioned in her last post on this thread. I don't even know if you read her last post????? Anyways, MY post was NOT a rebuttal or a response to ANYONE ELSE'S post on this thread, not even of the original poster. Again, my post was only intended as response towards Juliet's last post(I mention that to you about 2X because some parts of your last post seem like they are your OWN reasons against someone else's opinions on this thread?... or your OWN reasons against a 'GHOST' subject that that did not even exist in my last post). I even quoted a few pieces of what Juliet wrote on her post to point out where she might be wrong to act out on her opinion in the REAL world. In my last post, I quoted two phrases and she stated the following.........''I do not want to hire an employee who has been 'educated' at AIU, or a similarly unqualified school'' and ''And definitely, I do not want to hire an employee who has been 'educated' at AIU, or a similarly unqualified school, for while they may have the ability to discern a fraud when faced with one, they do not have the wisdom to pass it up in favor of finding a legitimate source of education.''

Anyways, my response was to state why she might be wrong with that first statement she made. On the second statement, I questioned her on how she would judge a school to be considered 'unqualified,' however, I never stated any reasons or logic on why I thought AIU is not unqualified or low-qualified. In my last post, my reasons and opinions against Juliet's statement DOES relate. However, in YOUR last post, one section of it was once again..............................
''Employers cant discriminate based on race, color, religion, sex or age; they can, however, most definitely discriminate based on where you went to school. This is common practice and common sense. Maybe my example below can help clear this up. Maybe my example below can help clear this up.

Applicant A has a no experience but a degree from AIU. Admission to AIU requires a high school diploma.
Applicant B has no experience but a degree from a state university. Admission into the state university requires at least: 4 years of HS English, 3 years of HS math, 2 years HS arts, 2 years HS social studies, 2 years HS foreign language, at least a 23 on the ACT, and two letters of recommendation.''......................................

John, again, your one example or scenario stated above to reason why 'employers can discriminate against where you went to school' has nothing to do with the criticisms and opinions I stated in my post against Juliet's post. Why? I interpreted her statement correctly and it is possible you didn't interpret and conclude her statement correctly. This is the statement I quoted from her last post and also the statement I criticized .........''I do not want to hire an employee who has been 'educated' at AIU, or a similarly unqualified school''........................MAYBE you are not interpreting her statement the same way I am, but I'm going to explain this again....what she basically means in her statement that I quoted above was that in the hiring process of a job applicant (assumingly if she were in that position to do a hiring process)she is simply NOT going to consider hiring a person educated from AIU Online (logically assuming that once she notices AIU in the education section of the resume, her biased self, will just place the resume in the rejected folder, etc. without even looking at the other areas of the resume). Basically, her intention is NOT to do a comparison of the resume that belongs to the person educated at AIU Online against anyone else's resume. In summary, Juliet's intention is not to give this resume any CHANCE, meaning in her biased mind, a resume that belongs to a so-called 'educated'(she failed to mention 'graduate')AIU person does not even deserve to be compared against any other resume in the applicant stack. Again, her intention is just to ignore the resume after she sees AIU and not consider it any further. Anyways, your off-topic example or scenario that you stated in your post(which is applicant A from AIU vs. applicant B from traditional 'state' university) would definately be a situation where an employee is at least given a small chance by having their resume COMPARED to another resume. YOUR example of AT LEAST comparing the AIU resume against another or others is not a scenario that would exist in Juliet's picture of a hiring process.

I am going to explain and elaborate more on my why I said what I said on my previous post on 05/26 (Since you just might be narrow-minded, similar to Juliet, in this situation). In my post when I said this..........''Yeah right, if you are a professional(I doubt you are), go ahead and pull off that number and someone just MIGHT be calling the EEOC on your butt ASAP.'' That was one of the statements I said against Juliet's opinion and position. I also need to clarify again, and I may have already said this. OK? Juliet's opinion and position to not hire ANY AIU graduate/student and my response to her opinion is a different subject from the views you stated in your last post. Anyways, like I said earlier, I know what the discrimination laws are. They are written in the books and there are sources available for anyone to learn them. My reason for stating my opinion against Juliet was because I was thinking open-mindedly and thought outside of the box. How was I thinking beyond the norm?...OK...you have to think of various scenarios that might occur IF Juliet or someone with the same opinion as Juliet were to DECIDE to act upon their PERSONAL DISCRIMINATION and NEVER hire or even CONSIDER hiring a student that was educated at AIU. Of course, you concluded earlier that I was a bit misinformed because the discrimination laws are only based on race, sex, religion, age, pregnancy, etc. OK, again, I was thinking analytically beyond that. Why? One event can lead to another. For example, if someone in a hiring practice (for example, human resources) were to use their PERSONAL bias and automatically single out or cross out an AIU online graduate (or be biased against some other accredited university) from being considered at the beginning of a hiring process, that might cause trouble. Oh yeah, forgot to mention that the automatic personal bias of this person would also mean they would not look at other factors on the resume of any AIU online graduate. Why is it possible that this event can cause trouble? I'll give you one or more possible scenarios. One, there is a certain number or percentage (sorry, I did not look for any statistics, but I know it is not zero) of disabled graduates out there that graduated from AIU Online or another non-traditional online degree program. In a situation where a disabled person(call him Tom) applies for a position at an employer(the job position is not laborious and is an office job suitable for disabled people)who has someone like Juliet working AND BY COINCIDENCE, every other applicant has the same degree level and every applicant comes from a different university/college. However, there is no other applicant disabled like Tom. .....Well, of course, Juliet will just reject his application once she notices AIU on it. HOWEVER, It just MIGHT occur based on Tom's characteristics and instincts that he might feel discriminated BECAUSE he is disabled. Any little clue might make him feel discriminated against. He has a right to question this employer, and if he feels they are not being honest, he can then try to file a charge against the EEOC! As you can see, BECAUSE OF POSSIBLE COINCIDENCES of this scenario and other possible scenarios that could occur, an open-minded person can think that a personal discriminating bias by ONE employee might cause another negative event to occur, which can lead to the serious issue of legal discrimination charges against the whole company.


SO, in the end..........You initiated a topic that never existed in my post and at the end of your post you state this .............

''Think about it. With your logic it would make no sense for someone to spend all that time and effort to go to a traditional school, if where you went to school didn't matter. Are all traditional college students wasting their time then? I don't think so.

With my logic???????? What logic??? For the most part, YOU ARE PUTTING WORDS IN MY MOUTH(not literally)!!!! THE LOGIC YOU ARE TRYING TO IMPLY AS MINE DOES NOT EVEN EXIST!!!..... EVEN WORSE, YOU ARE STATING A REASON OR REBUTTAL AGAINST A NON-EXISTANT LOGIC OR IDEA THAT I NEVER EVEN INITIATED OR EVEN TALKED ABOUT!... IT SEEMS MORE LIKE YOUR REBUTTAL OR REASONS MENTIONED IN YOUR PREVIOUS POST ARE INTENDED FOR SOMEONE'S ELSE'S POST AND NOT MINE. Everything I explained before this paragraph explains why your statement above, which is implying a logic as mine does not make sense or even fit with the logic I went ahead and clarified on an earlier paragraph on this very long post. The paragraph begins with ''I am going to explain........" Anyways, before I clarified and explained in the long paragraph earlier in this post, I did not have a logic.' What I simply did was suggest and warn Juliet that her actions MIGHT cause someone to go the EEOC. Anyone else who thinks open-mindedly or critically, would think of other possible reasons or alternatives that could occur as a result of a personal bias.

John, you made a comparison of traditional universities vs. AIU Online university??

Notice and remember that.......
NEVER in MY post did I mention or try to explain anything about traditional university or to be more specific, the admissions standards that apply to universities.(You seemed to only think of freshman admissions though. You mentioned some admission requirements for traditional universities which are the high school credit requirements (you stated them in your post) and the required minimum ACT(or SAT) test score. Here, you failed to think of many other scenarios that apply to college students.
A. Not every college student enrolls in a traditional university as a freshman. Some enroll in a 2-year community college(many have the same admission requirements as AIU) for the first or first 2 years. They then transfer to a 4-year university. Guess what? Transfer admission requirements at a university are different than first-time(freshman) admission requirements you mentioned. Most transfer admission requirements include none of the requirements you stated in your example. In the end what matters is the fact that they received the degree from an ACCREDITED university/college, not on how the enrollment/admissions process of the university was done. What exactly are you trying to prove here? Are you trying to prove that AIU is not high quality based on the sole admissions process?? Again, what matters is receiving the degree from an ACCREDITED college/university. [Don't bother to say AIU is not accredited]
B. Students that DECIDE to attend AIU online and get enrolled do not mean that they are students who do not hold all the high school credits you mentioned. It also does not mean that there are no AIU students that never took their ACT or SAT test. Just because AIU online does not require a certain placement test for admissions, does not mean that there are no AIU students who never took the ACT or SAT test and passed it. Many people take those tests before knowing what college or university they are going to attend.)

BASICALLY, NEVER in MY post did I do any type comparison of AIU Online (or any other online university) versus a traditional university(you specifically mentioned traditional STATE university in your example) or any other university.


I think your response to my earlier post is not sound. I repeated myself more than one time in this post and in different ways to clearly state what my last post was supposed to mean and how you responded almost on a different perspective of it.

.and you know what, I highly doubt you worked for AIU Online's career services.how about stating some statistics to back up your statement about AIU students never really getting jobs that required a degree..Anyway, who says their job search ended there anyway. Just because they did not get college-degree jobs when you were employed there does mean they stopped trying to achieve their goals of applying and getting a college-degree job.
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Your rebuttal against mine does not even relate to what my previous post was about

AUTHOR: Lisa - (U.S.A.)

John, I don't think you analyzed my last post very well. You were not very analyzing on what I posted and you don't sound very open-minded in the 'real-world' example you mentioned in your post.(which is YOUR scenario of hiring applicant A vs. applicant B)


You stated..............''To Lisa, I'm sorry to say but your completely wrong. To start, you are a bit misinformed about what a equal opportunity employer means.Employers cant discriminate based on race, color, religion, sex or age; they can, however, most definitely discriminate based on where you went to school. This is common practice and common sense. Maybe my example below can help clear this up.''

First of all, YOU are wrong on what you concluded about me, you jumped to a conclusion by stating this......

"you are a bit misinformed about what a equal opportunity employer means."............

Well, for your information, JUST BECAUSE I did not mention, explain, quote, or paraphrase the meaning or definition of an equal opportunity employer in my last post does not mean I do not know what it means. I AM NOT misinformed about the issue. I KNOW what it means. You also stated..........

"they can, however, most definitely discriminate based on where you went to school. This is common practice and common sense. Maybe my example
below can help clear this up."..................

OK, you stated your exact example was..
''Applicant A has a no experience but a degree from AIU. Admission to AIU requires a high school diploma. Applicant B has no experience but a degree from a state university. Admission into the state university requires at least: 4 years of HS English, 3 years of HS math, 2 years, HS arts, 2 years HS social studies, 2 years HS foreign language, at least a 23 on theACT, and two letters of recommendation. Who would you hire? Think about it. With your logic it would make no sense for someone to spend all that time and effort to go to a traditional school, if where you went to school didn't matter. Are all traditional college students wasting their time then? I don't think so.''........................

In the first place, YOUR example (where you are basically doing a comparison) would not even be considered or called any FORM of legal or SOCIAL (Juliet's type is almost as if it's related to high school drama) discrimination.
(Don't even reply to this and say in your own words that I said it was discrimination in my previous post because your example or scenario quoted above would be a different and new subject material vs. everything I said in my last post in response to what I quoted from Juliet. My last post was against some statements Juliet mentioned and in summary, her statements that I quoted were basically that she was NOT going to hire or consider ANY AIU graduate regardless of the other factors on their resume. Assumingly,the resume would just be avoided once she sees AIU in the section. Did you comprehend HER last post in the first place?? Wait, did you comprehend the statements I quoted from her post?? Your example of comparing one university to a traditional university would not even exist in her picture or thoughts. When I was responding to what I quoted from her, your simple example would have never entered my thoughts either. That is because the example you explained is backing up a different subject [A subject of comparing traditional university to AIU online] that never existed in my previous post to begin with. Remember, on my last post, my opinions and reasons against the statements I quoted from her last post were ONLY based on the fact that she was going to let her personal opinion, which was AUTOMATICALLY NOT to hire ANY AIU graduate/student, to be incorporated into HER hiring practice, which also means she would not even waster her time and bother to do any comparisons similar to what you did in YOUR example)

In summay to that part, when an employer IS comparing one resume against another and they actually are comparing where the applicant graduated from as part of the decision process, that would NOT be called discrimination. In your type of scenario or example, of course, it is okay for an employer to choose an entry-level graduate from one university over an entry-level graduate from another university, etc. (For example, Harvard grad or other prestigious university grad chosen over AIU grad, BUT, on an analytical note; the outcome will not always be that the graduate from the prestigious university was selected over the AIU graduate or a graduate of lesser known university BECAUSE employers look at other factors as well such as job experience, certifications, etc.)

Before I continue to explain why your earlier judgment against my post dated 05/26 was wrong and sounded partly off topic I have to clear up one SIMPLE point with you...............First, for your information, my post on 05/26 was a rebuttal to a statement that someone else named Juliet mentioned in her last post on this thread. I don't even know if you read her last post????? Anyways, MY post was NOT a rebuttal or a response to ANYONE ELSE'S post on this thread, not even of the original poster. Again, my post was only intended as response towards Juliet's last post(I mention that to you about 2X because some parts of your last post seem like they are your OWN reasons against someone else's opinions on this thread?... or your OWN reasons against a 'GHOST' subject that that did not even exist in my last post). I even quoted a few pieces of what Juliet wrote on her post to point out where she might be wrong to act out on her opinion in the REAL world. In my last post, I quoted two phrases and she stated the following.........''I do not want to hire an employee who has been 'educated' at AIU, or a similarly unqualified school'' and ''And definitely, I do not want to hire an employee who has been 'educated' at AIU, or a similarly unqualified school, for while they may have the ability to discern a fraud when faced with one, they do not have the wisdom to pass it up in favor of finding a legitimate source of education.''

Anyways, my response was to state why she might be wrong with that first statement she made. On the second statement, I questioned her on how she would judge a school to be considered 'unqualified,' however, I never stated any reasons or logic on why I thought AIU is not unqualified or low-qualified. In my last post, my reasons and opinions against Juliet's statement DOES relate. However, in YOUR last post, one section of it was once again..............................
''Employers cant discriminate based on race, color, religion, sex or age; they can, however, most definitely discriminate based on where you went to school. This is common practice and common sense. Maybe my example below can help clear this up. Maybe my example below can help clear this up.

Applicant A has a no experience but a degree from AIU. Admission to AIU requires a high school diploma.
Applicant B has no experience but a degree from a state university. Admission into the state university requires at least: 4 years of HS English, 3 years of HS math, 2 years HS arts, 2 years HS social studies, 2 years HS foreign language, at least a 23 on the ACT, and two letters of recommendation.''......................................

John, again, your one example or scenario stated above to reason why 'employers can discriminate against where you went to school' has nothing to do with the criticisms and opinions I stated in my post against Juliet's post. Why? I interpreted her statement correctly and it is possible you didn't interpret and conclude her statement correctly. This is the statement I quoted from her last post and also the statement I criticized .........''I do not want to hire an employee who has been 'educated' at AIU, or a similarly unqualified school''........................MAYBE you are not interpreting her statement the same way I am, but I'm going to explain this again....what she basically means in her statement that I quoted above was that in the hiring process of a job applicant (assumingly if she were in that position to do a hiring process)she is simply NOT going to consider hiring a person educated from AIU Online (logically assuming that once she notices AIU in the education section of the resume, her biased self, will just place the resume in the rejected folder, etc. without even looking at the other areas of the resume). Basically, her intention is NOT to do a comparison of the resume that belongs to the person educated at AIU Online against anyone else's resume. In summary, Juliet's intention is not to give this resume any CHANCE, meaning in her biased mind, a resume that belongs to a so-called 'educated'(she failed to mention 'graduate')AIU person does not even deserve to be compared against any other resume in the applicant stack. Again, her intention is just to ignore the resume after she sees AIU and not consider it any further. Anyways, your off-topic example or scenario that you stated in your post(which is applicant A from AIU vs. applicant B from traditional 'state' university) would definately be a situation where an employee is at least given a small chance by having their resume COMPARED to another resume. YOUR example of AT LEAST comparing the AIU resume against another or others is not a scenario that would exist in Juliet's picture of a hiring process.

I am going to explain and elaborate more on my why I said what I said on my previous post on 05/26 (Since you just might be narrow-minded, similar to Juliet, in this situation). In my post when I said this..........''Yeah right, if you are a professional(I doubt you are), go ahead and pull off that number and someone just MIGHT be calling the EEOC on your butt ASAP.'' That was one of the statements I said against Juliet's opinion and position. I also need to clarify again, and I may have already said this. OK? Juliet's opinion and position to not hire ANY AIU graduate/student and my response to her opinion is a different subject from the views you stated in your last post. Anyways, like I said earlier, I know what the discrimination laws are. They are written in the books and there are sources available for anyone to learn them. My reason for stating my opinion against Juliet was because I was thinking open-mindedly and thought outside of the box. How was I thinking beyond the norm?...OK...you have to think of various scenarios that might occur IF Juliet or someone with the same opinion as Juliet were to DECIDE to act upon their PERSONAL DISCRIMINATION and NEVER hire or even CONSIDER hiring a student that was educated at AIU. Of course, you concluded earlier that I was a bit misinformed because the discrimination laws are only based on race, sex, religion, age, pregnancy, etc. OK, again, I was thinking analytically beyond that. Why? One event can lead to another. For example, if someone in a hiring practice (for example, human resources) were to use their PERSONAL bias and automatically single out or cross out an AIU online graduate (or be biased against some other accredited university) from being considered at the beginning of a hiring process, that might cause trouble. Oh yeah, forgot to mention that the automatic personal bias of this person would also mean they would not look at other factors on the resume of any AIU online graduate. Why is it possible that this event can cause trouble? I'll give you one or more possible scenarios. One, there is a certain number or percentage (sorry, I did not look for any statistics, but I know it is not zero) of disabled graduates out there that graduated from AIU Online or another non-traditional online degree program. In a situation where a disabled person(call him Tom) applies for a position at an employer(the job position is not laborious and is an office job suitable for disabled people)who has someone like Juliet working AND BY COINCIDENCE, every other applicant has the same degree level and every applicant comes from a different university/college. However, there is no other applicant disabled like Tom. .....Well, of course, Juliet will just reject his application once she notices AIU on it. HOWEVER, It just MIGHT occur based on Tom's characteristics and instincts that he might feel discriminated BECAUSE he is disabled. Any little clue might make him feel discriminated against. He has a right to question this employer, and if he feels they are not being honest, he can then try to file a charge against the EEOC! As you can see, BECAUSE OF POSSIBLE COINCIDENCES of this scenario and other possible scenarios that could occur, an open-minded person can think that a personal discriminating bias by ONE employee might cause another negative event to occur, which can lead to the serious issue of legal discrimination charges against the whole company.


SO, in the end..........You initiated a topic that never existed in my post and at the end of your post you state this .............

''Think about it. With your logic it would make no sense for someone to spend all that time and effort to go to a traditional school, if where you went to school didn't matter. Are all traditional college students wasting their time then? I don't think so.

With my logic???????? What logic??? For the most part, YOU ARE PUTTING WORDS IN MY MOUTH(not literally)!!!! THE LOGIC YOU ARE TRYING TO IMPLY AS MINE DOES NOT EVEN EXIST!!!..... EVEN WORSE, YOU ARE STATING A REASON OR REBUTTAL AGAINST A NON-EXISTANT LOGIC OR IDEA THAT I NEVER EVEN INITIATED OR EVEN TALKED ABOUT!... IT SEEMS MORE LIKE YOUR REBUTTAL OR REASONS MENTIONED IN YOUR PREVIOUS POST ARE INTENDED FOR SOMEONE'S ELSE'S POST AND NOT MINE. Everything I explained before this paragraph explains why your statement above, which is implying a logic as mine does not make sense or even fit with the logic I went ahead and clarified on an earlier paragraph on this very long post. The paragraph begins with ''I am going to explain........" Anyways, before I clarified and explained in the long paragraph earlier in this post, I did not have a logic.' What I simply did was suggest and warn Juliet that her actions MIGHT cause someone to go the EEOC. Anyone else who thinks open-mindedly or critically, would think of other possible reasons or alternatives that could occur as a result of a personal bias.

John, you made a comparison of traditional universities vs. AIU Online university??

Notice and remember that.......
NEVER in MY post did I mention or try to explain anything about traditional university or to be more specific, the admissions standards that apply to universities.(You seemed to only think of freshman admissions though. You mentioned some admission requirements for traditional universities which are the high school credit requirements (you stated them in your post) and the required minimum ACT(or SAT) test score. Here, you failed to think of many other scenarios that apply to college students.
A. Not every college student enrolls in a traditional university as a freshman. Some enroll in a 2-year community college(many have the same admission requirements as AIU) for the first or first 2 years. They then transfer to a 4-year university. Guess what? Transfer admission requirements at a university are different than first-time(freshman) admission requirements you mentioned. Most transfer admission requirements include none of the requirements you stated in your example. In the end what matters is the fact that they received the degree from an ACCREDITED university/college, not on how the enrollment/admissions process of the university was done. What exactly are you trying to prove here? Are you trying to prove that AIU is not high quality based on the sole admissions process?? Again, what matters is receiving the degree from an ACCREDITED college/university. [Don't bother to say AIU is not accredited]
B. Students that DECIDE to attend AIU online and get enrolled do not mean that they are students who do not hold all the high school credits you mentioned. It also does not mean that there are no AIU students that never took their ACT or SAT test. Just because AIU online does not require a certain placement test for admissions, does not mean that there are no AIU students who never took the ACT or SAT test and passed it. Many people take those tests before knowing what college or university they are going to attend.)

BASICALLY, NEVER in MY post did I do any type comparison of AIU Online (or any other online university) versus a traditional university(you specifically mentioned traditional STATE university in your example) or any other university.


I think your response to my earlier post is not sound. I repeated myself more than one time in this post and in different ways to clearly state what my last post was supposed to mean and how you responded almost on a different perspective of it.

.and you know what, I highly doubt you worked for AIU Online's career services.how about stating some statistics to back up your statement about AIU students never really getting jobs that required a degree..Anyway, who says their job search ended there anyway. Just because they did not get college-degree jobs when you were employed there does mean they stopped trying to achieve their goals of applying and getting a college-degree job.
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Your rebuttal against mine does not even relate to what my previous post was about

AUTHOR: Lisa - (U.S.A.)

John, I don't think you analyzed my last post very well. You were not very analyzing on what I posted and you don't sound very open-minded in the 'real-world' example you mentioned in your post.(which is YOUR scenario of hiring applicant A vs. applicant B)


You stated..............''To Lisa, I'm sorry to say but your completely wrong. To start, you are a bit misinformed about what a equal opportunity employer means.Employers cant discriminate based on race, color, religion, sex or age; they can, however, most definitely discriminate based on where you went to school. This is common practice and common sense. Maybe my example below can help clear this up.''

First of all, YOU are wrong on what you concluded about me, you jumped to a conclusion by stating this......

"you are a bit misinformed about what a equal opportunity employer means."............

Well, for your information, JUST BECAUSE I did not mention, explain, quote, or paraphrase the meaning or definition of an equal opportunity employer in my last post does not mean I do not know what it means. I AM NOT misinformed about the issue. I KNOW what it means. You also stated..........

"they can, however, most definitely discriminate based on where you went to school. This is common practice and common sense. Maybe my example
below can help clear this up."..................

OK, you stated your exact example was..
''Applicant A has a no experience but a degree from AIU. Admission to AIU requires a high school diploma. Applicant B has no experience but a degree from a state university. Admission into the state university requires at least: 4 years of HS English, 3 years of HS math, 2 years, HS arts, 2 years HS social studies, 2 years HS foreign language, at least a 23 on theACT, and two letters of recommendation. Who would you hire? Think about it. With your logic it would make no sense for someone to spend all that time and effort to go to a traditional school, if where you went to school didn't matter. Are all traditional college students wasting their time then? I don't think so.''........................

In the first place, YOUR example (where you are basically doing a comparison) would not even be considered or called any FORM of legal or SOCIAL (Juliet's type is almost as if it's related to high school drama) discrimination.
(Don't even reply to this and say in your own words that I said it was discrimination in my previous post because your example or scenario quoted above would be a different and new subject material vs. everything I said in my last post in response to what I quoted from Juliet. My last post was against some statements Juliet mentioned and in summary, her statements that I quoted were basically that she was NOT going to hire or consider ANY AIU graduate regardless of the other factors on their resume. Assumingly,the resume would just be avoided once she sees AIU in the section. Did you comprehend HER last post in the first place?? Wait, did you comprehend the statements I quoted from her post?? Your example of comparing one university to a traditional university would not even exist in her picture or thoughts. When I was responding to what I quoted from her, your simple example would have never entered my thoughts either. That is because the example you explained is backing up a different subject [A subject of comparing traditional university to AIU online] that never existed in my previous post to begin with. Remember, on my last post, my opinions and reasons against the statements I quoted from her last post were ONLY based on the fact that she was going to let her personal opinion, which was AUTOMATICALLY NOT to hire ANY AIU graduate/student, to be incorporated into HER hiring practice, which also means she would not even waster her time and bother to do any comparisons similar to what you did in YOUR example)

In summay to that part, when an employer IS comparing one resume against another and they actually are comparing where the applicant graduated from as part of the decision process, that would NOT be called discrimination. In your type of scenario or example, of course, it is okay for an employer to choose an entry-level graduate from one university over an entry-level graduate from another university, etc. (For example, Harvard grad or other prestigious university grad chosen over AIU grad, BUT, on an analytical note; the outcome will not always be that the graduate from the prestigious university was selected over the AIU graduate or a graduate of lesser known university BECAUSE employers look at other factors as well such as job experience, certifications, etc.)

Before I continue to explain why your earlier judgment against my post dated 05/26 was wrong and sounded partly off topic I have to clear up one SIMPLE point with you...............First, for your information, my post on 05/26 was a rebuttal to a statement that someone else named Juliet mentioned in her last post on this thread. I don't even know if you read her last post????? Anyways, MY post was NOT a rebuttal or a response to ANYONE ELSE'S post on this thread, not even of the original poster. Again, my post was only intended as response towards Juliet's last post(I mention that to you about 2X because some parts of your last post seem like they are your OWN reasons against someone else's opinions on this thread?... or your OWN reasons against a 'GHOST' subject that that did not even exist in my last post). I even quoted a few pieces of what Juliet wrote on her post to point out where she might be wrong to act out on her opinion in the REAL world. In my last post, I quoted two phrases and she stated the following.........''I do not want to hire an employee who has been 'educated' at AIU, or a similarly unqualified school'' and ''And definitely, I do not want to hire an employee who has been 'educated' at AIU, or a similarly unqualified school, for while they may have the ability to discern a fraud when faced with one, they do not have the wisdom to pass it up in favor of finding a legitimate source of education.''

Anyways, my response was to state why she might be wrong with that first statement she made. On the second statement, I questioned her on how she would judge a school to be considered 'unqualified,' however, I never stated any reasons or logic on why I thought AIU is not unqualified or low-qualified. In my last post, my reasons and opinions against Juliet's statement DOES relate. However, in YOUR last post, one section of it was once again..............................
''Employers cant discriminate based on race, color, religion, sex or age; they can, however, most definitely discriminate based on where you went to school. This is common practice and common sense. Maybe my example below can help clear this up. Maybe my example below can help clear this up.

Applicant A has a no experience but a degree from AIU. Admission to AIU requires a high school diploma.
Applicant B has no experience but a degree from a state university. Admission into the state university requires at least: 4 years of HS English, 3 years of HS math, 2 years HS arts, 2 years HS social studies, 2 years HS foreign language, at least a 23 on the ACT, and two letters of recommendation.''......................................

John, again, your one example or scenario stated above to reason why 'employers can discriminate against where you went to school' has nothing to do with the criticisms and opinions I stated in my post against Juliet's post. Why? I interpreted her statement correctly and it is possible you didn't interpret and conclude her statement correctly. This is the statement I quoted from her last post and also the statement I criticized .........''I do not want to hire an employee who has been 'educated' at AIU, or a similarly unqualified school''........................MAYBE you are not interpreting her statement the same way I am, but I'm going to explain this again....what she basically means in her statement that I quoted above was that in the hiring process of a job applicant (assumingly if she were in that position to do a hiring process)she is simply NOT going to consider hiring a person educated from AIU Online (logically assuming that once she notices AIU in the education section of the resume, her biased self, will just place the resume in the rejected folder, etc. without even looking at the other areas of the resume). Basically, her intention is NOT to do a comparison of the resume that belongs to the person educated at AIU Online against anyone else's resume. In summary, Juliet's intention is not to give this resume any CHANCE, meaning in her biased mind, a resume that belongs to a so-called 'educated'(she failed to mention 'graduate')AIU person does not even deserve to be compared against any other resume in the applicant stack. Again, her intention is just to ignore the resume after she sees AIU and not consider it any further. Anyways, your off-topic example or scenario that you stated in your post(which is applicant A from AIU vs. applicant B from traditional 'state' university) would definately be a situation where an employee is at least given a small chance by having their resume COMPARED to another resume. YOUR example of AT LEAST comparing the AIU resume against another or others is not a scenario that would exist in Juliet's picture of a hiring process.

I am going to explain and elaborate more on my why I said what I said on my previous post on 05/26 (Since you just might be narrow-minded, similar to Juliet, in this situation). In my post when I said this..........''Yeah right, if you are a professional(I doubt you are), go ahead and pull off that number and someone just MIGHT be calling the EEOC on your butt ASAP.'' That was one of the statements I said against Juliet's opinion and position. I also need to clarify again, and I may have already said this. OK? Juliet's opinion and position to not hire ANY AIU graduate/student and my response to her opinion is a different subject from the views you stated in your last post. Anyways, like I said earlier, I know what the discrimination laws are. They are written in the books and there are sources available for anyone to learn them. My reason for stating my opinion against Juliet was because I was thinking open-mindedly and thought outside of the box. How was I thinking beyond the norm?...OK...you have to think of various scenarios that might occur IF Juliet or someone with the same opinion as Juliet were to DECIDE to act upon their PERSONAL DISCRIMINATION and NEVER hire or even CONSIDER hiring a student that was educated at AIU. Of course, you concluded earlier that I was a bit misinformed because the discrimination laws are only based on race, sex, religion, age, pregnancy, etc. OK, again, I was thinking analytically beyond that. Why? One event can lead to another. For example, if someone in a hiring practice (for example, human resources) were to use their PERSONAL bias and automatically single out or cross out an AIU online graduate (or be biased against some other accredited university) from being considered at the beginning of a hiring process, that might cause trouble. Oh yeah, forgot to mention that the automatic personal bias of this person would also mean they would not look at other factors on the resume of any AIU online graduate. Why is it possible that this event can cause trouble? I'll give you one or more possible scenarios. One, there is a certain number or percentage (sorry, I did not look for any statistics, but I know it is not zero) of disabled graduates out there that graduated from AIU Online or another non-traditional online degree program. In a situation where a disabled person(call him Tom) applies for a position at an employer(the job position is not laborious and is an office job suitable for disabled people)who has someone like Juliet working AND BY COINCIDENCE, every other applicant has the same degree level and every applicant comes from a different university/college. However, there is no other applicant disabled like Tom. .....Well, of course, Juliet will just reject his application once she notices AIU on it. HOWEVER, It just MIGHT occur based on Tom's characteristics and instincts that he might feel discriminated BECAUSE he is disabled. Any little clue might make him feel discriminated against. He has a right to question this employer, and if he feels they are not being honest, he can then try to file a charge against the EEOC! As you can see, BECAUSE OF POSSIBLE COINCIDENCES of this scenario and other possible scenarios that could occur, an open-minded person can think that a personal discriminating bias by ONE employee might cause another negative event to occur, which can lead to the serious issue of legal discrimination charges against the whole company.


SO, in the end..........You initiated a topic that never existed in my post and at the end of your post you state this .............

''Think about it. With your logic it would make no sense for someone to spend all that time and effort to go to a traditional school, if where you went to school didn't matter. Are all traditional college students wasting their time then? I don't think so.

With my logic???????? What logic??? For the most part, YOU ARE PUTTING WORDS IN MY MOUTH(not literally)!!!! THE LOGIC YOU ARE TRYING TO IMPLY AS MINE DOES NOT EVEN EXIST!!!..... EVEN WORSE, YOU ARE STATING A REASON OR REBUTTAL AGAINST A NON-EXISTANT LOGIC OR IDEA THAT I NEVER EVEN INITIATED OR EVEN TALKED ABOUT!... IT SEEMS MORE LIKE YOUR REBUTTAL OR REASONS MENTIONED IN YOUR PREVIOUS POST ARE INTENDED FOR SOMEONE'S ELSE'S POST AND NOT MINE. Everything I explained before this paragraph explains why your statement above, which is implying a logic as mine does not make sense or even fit with the logic I went ahead and clarified on an earlier paragraph on this very long post. The paragraph begins with ''I am going to explain........" Anyways, before I clarified and explained in the long paragraph earlier in this post, I did not have a logic.' What I simply did was suggest and warn Juliet that her actions MIGHT cause someone to go the EEOC. Anyone else who thinks open-mindedly or critically, would think of other possible reasons or alternatives that could occur as a result of a personal bias.

John, you made a comparison of traditional universities vs. AIU Online university??

Notice and remember that.......
NEVER in MY post did I mention or try to explain anything about traditional university or to be more specific, the admissions standards that apply to universities.(You seemed to only think of freshman admissions though. You mentioned some admission requirements for traditional universities which are the high school credit requirements (you stated them in your post) and the required minimum ACT(or SAT) test score. Here, you failed to think of many other scenarios that apply to college students.
A. Not every college student enrolls in a traditional university as a freshman. Some enroll in a 2-year community college(many have the same admission requirements as AIU) for the first or first 2 years. They then transfer to a 4-year university. Guess what? Transfer admission requirements at a university are different than first-time(freshman) admission requirements you mentioned. Most transfer admission requirements include none of the requirements you stated in your example. In the end what matters is the fact that they received the degree from an ACCREDITED university/college, not on how the enrollment/admissions process of the university was done. What exactly are you trying to prove here? Are you trying to prove that AIU is not high quality based on the sole admissions process?? Again, what matters is receiving the degree from an ACCREDITED college/university. [Don't bother to say AIU is not accredited]
B. Students that DECIDE to attend AIU online and get enrolled do not mean that they are students who do not hold all the high school credits you mentioned. It also does not mean that there are no AIU students that never took their ACT or SAT test. Just because AIU online does not require a certain placement test for admissions, does not mean that there are no AIU students who never took the ACT or SAT test and passed it. Many people take those tests before knowing what college or university they are going to attend.)

BASICALLY, NEVER in MY post did I do any type comparison of AIU Online (or any other online university) versus a traditional university(you specifically mentioned traditional STATE university in your example) or any other university.


I think your response to my earlier post is not sound. I repeated myself more than one time in this post and in different ways to clearly state what my last post was supposed to mean and how you responded almost on a different perspective of it.

.and you know what, I highly doubt you worked for AIU Online's career services.how about stating some statistics to back up your statement about AIU students never really getting jobs that required a degree..Anyway, who says their job search ended there anyway. Just because they did not get college-degree jobs when you were employed there does mean they stopped trying to achieve their goals of applying and getting a college-degree job.
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Your rebuttal against mine does not even relate to what my previous post was about

AUTHOR: Lisa - (U.S.A.)

John, I don't think you analyzed my last post very well. You were not very analyzing on what I posted and you don't sound very open-minded in the 'real-world' example you mentioned in your post.(which is YOUR scenario of hiring applicant A vs. applicant B)


You stated..............''To Lisa, I'm sorry to say but your completely wrong. To start, you are a bit misinformed about what a equal opportunity employer means.Employers cant discriminate based on race, color, religion, sex or age; they can, however, most definitely discriminate based on where you went to school. This is common practice and common sense. Maybe my example below can help clear this up.''

First of all, YOU are wrong on what you concluded about me, you jumped to a conclusion by stating this......

"you are a bit misinformed about what a equal opportunity employer means."............

Well, for your information, JUST BECAUSE I did not mention, explain, quote, or paraphrase the meaning or definition of an equal opportunity employer in my last post does not mean I do not know what it means. I AM NOT misinformed about the issue. I KNOW what it means. You also stated..........

"they can, however, most definitely discriminate based on where you went to school. This is common practice and common sense. Maybe my example
below can help clear this up."..................

OK, you stated your exact example was..
''Applicant A has a no experience but a degree from AIU. Admission to AIU requires a high school diploma. Applicant B has no experience but a degree from a state university. Admission into the state university requires at least: 4 years of HS English, 3 years of HS math, 2 years, HS arts, 2 years HS social studies, 2 years HS foreign language, at least a 23 on theACT, and two letters of recommendation. Who would you hire? Think about it. With your logic it would make no sense for someone to spend all that time and effort to go to a traditional school, if where you went to school didn't matter. Are all traditional college students wasting their time then? I don't think so.''........................

In the first place, YOUR example (where you are basically doing a comparison) would not even be considered or called any FORM of legal or SOCIAL (Juliet's type is almost as if it's related to high school drama) discrimination.
(Don't even reply to this and say in your own words that I said it was discrimination in my previous post because your example or scenario quoted above would be a different and new subject material vs. everything I said in my last post in response to what I quoted from Juliet. My last post was against some statements Juliet mentioned and in summary, her statements that I quoted were basically that she was NOT going to hire or consider ANY AIU graduate regardless of the other factors on their resume. Assumingly,the resume would just be avoided once she sees AIU in the section. Did you comprehend HER last post in the first place?? Wait, did you comprehend the statements I quoted from her post?? Your example of comparing one university to a traditional university would not even exist in her picture or thoughts. When I was responding to what I quoted from her, your simple example would have never entered my thoughts either. That is because the example you explained is backing up a different subject [A subject of comparing traditional university to AIU online] that never existed in my previous post to begin with. Remember, on my last post, my opinions and reasons against the statements I quoted from her last post were ONLY based on the fact that she was going to let her personal opinion, which was AUTOMATICALLY NOT to hire ANY AIU graduate/student, to be incorporated into HER hiring practice, which also means she would not even waster her time and bother to do any comparisons similar to what you did in YOUR example)

In summay to that part, when an employer IS comparing one resume against another and they actually are comparing where the applicant graduated from as part of the decision process, that would NOT be called discrimination. In your type of scenario or example, of course, it is okay for an employer to choose an entry-level graduate from one university over an entry-level graduate from another university, etc. (For example, Harvard grad or other prestigious university grad chosen over AIU grad, BUT, on an analytical note; the outcome will not always be that the graduate from the prestigious university was selected over the AIU graduate or a graduate of lesser known university BECAUSE employers look at other factors as well such as job experience, certifications, etc.)

Before I continue to explain why your earlier judgment against my post dated 05/26 was wrong and sounded partly off topic I have to clear up one SIMPLE point with you...............First, for your information, my post on 05/26 was a rebuttal to a statement that someone else named Juliet mentioned in her last post on this thread. I don't even know if you read her last post????? Anyways, MY post was NOT a rebuttal or a response to ANYONE ELSE'S post on this thread, not even of the original poster. Again, my post was only intended as response towards Juliet's last post(I mention that to you about 2X because some parts of your last post seem like they are your OWN reasons against someone else's opinions on this thread?... or your OWN reasons against a 'GHOST' subject that that did not even exist in my last post). I even quoted a few pieces of what Juliet wrote on her post to point out where she might be wrong to act out on her opinion in the REAL world. In my last post, I quoted two phrases and she stated the following.........''I do not want to hire an employee who has been 'educated' at AIU, or a similarly unqualified school'' and ''And definitely, I do not want to hire an employee who has been 'educated' at AIU, or a similarly unqualified school, for while they may have the ability to discern a fraud when faced with one, they do not have the wisdom to pass it up in favor of finding a legitimate source of education.''

Anyways, my response was to state why she might be wrong with that first statement she made. On the second statement, I questioned her on how she would judge a school to be considered 'unqualified,' however, I never stated any reasons or logic on why I thought AIU is not unqualified or low-qualified. In my last post, my reasons and opinions against Juliet's statement DOES relate. However, in YOUR last post, one section of it was once again..............................
''Employers cant discriminate based on race, color, religion, sex or age; they can, however, most definitely discriminate based on where you went to school. This is common practice and common sense. Maybe my example below can help clear this up. Maybe my example below can help clear this up.

Applicant A has a no experience but a degree from AIU. Admission to AIU requires a high school diploma.
Applicant B has no experience but a degree from a state university. Admission into the state university requires at least: 4 years of HS English, 3 years of HS math, 2 years HS arts, 2 years HS social studies, 2 years HS foreign language, at least a 23 on the ACT, and two letters of recommendation.''......................................

John, again, your one example or scenario stated above to reason why 'employers can discriminate against where you went to school' has nothing to do with the criticisms and opinions I stated in my post against Juliet's post. Why? I interpreted her statement correctly and it is possible you didn't interpret and conclude her statement correctly. This is the statement I quoted from her last post and also the statement I criticized .........''I do not want to hire an employee who has been 'educated' at AIU, or a similarly unqualified school''........................MAYBE you are not interpreting her statement the same way I am, but I'm going to explain this again....what she basically means in her statement that I quoted above was that in the hiring process of a job applicant (assumingly if she were in that position to do a hiring process)she is simply NOT going to consider hiring a person educated from AIU Online (logically assuming that once she notices AIU in the education section of the resume, her biased self, will just place the resume in the rejected folder, etc. without even looking at the other areas of the resume). Basically, her intention is NOT to do a comparison of the resume that belongs to the person educated at AIU Online against anyone else's resume. In summary, Juliet's intention is not to give this resume any CHANCE, meaning in her biased mind, a resume that belongs to a so-called 'educated'(she failed to mention 'graduate')AIU person does not even deserve to be compared against any other resume in the applicant stack. Again, her intention is just to ignore the resume after she sees AIU and not consider it any further. Anyways, your off-topic example or scenario that you stated in your post(which is applicant A from AIU vs. applicant B from traditional 'state' university) would definately be a situation where an employee is at least given a small chance by having their resume COMPARED to another resume. YOUR example of AT LEAST comparing the AIU resume against another or others is not a scenario that would exist in Juliet's picture of a hiring process.

I am going to explain and elaborate more on my why I said what I said on my previous post on 05/26 (Since you just might be narrow-minded, similar to Juliet, in this situation). In my post when I said this..........''Yeah right, if you are a professional(I doubt you are), go ahead and pull off that number and someone just MIGHT be calling the EEOC on your butt ASAP.'' That was one of the statements I said against Juliet's opinion and position. I also need to clarify again, and I may have already said this. OK? Juliet's opinion and position to not hire ANY AIU graduate/student and my response to her opinion is a different subject from the views you stated in your last post. Anyways, like I said earlier, I know what the discrimination laws are. They are written in the books and there are sources available for anyone to learn them. My reason for stating my opinion against Juliet was because I was thinking open-mindedly and thought outside of the box. How was I thinking beyond the norm?...OK...you have to think of various scenarios that might occur IF Juliet or someone with the same opinion as Juliet were to DECIDE to act upon their PERSONAL DISCRIMINATION and NEVER hire or even CONSIDER hiring a student that was educated at AIU. Of course, you concluded earlier that I was a bit misinformed because the discrimination laws are only based on race, sex, religion, age, pregnancy, etc. OK, again, I was thinking analytically beyond that. Why? One event can lead to another. For example, if someone in a hiring practice (for example, human resources) were to use their PERSONAL bias and automatically single out or cross out an AIU online graduate (or be biased against some other accredited university) from being considered at the beginning of a hiring process, that might cause trouble. Oh yeah, forgot to mention that the automatic personal bias of this person would also mean they would not look at other factors on the resume of any AIU online graduate. Why is it possible that this event can cause trouble? I'll give you one or more possible scenarios. One, there is a certain number or percentage (sorry, I did not look for any statistics, but I know it is not zero) of disabled graduates out there that graduated from AIU Online or another non-traditional online degree program. In a situation where a disabled person(call him Tom) applies for a position at an employer(the job position is not laborious and is an office job suitable for disabled people)who has someone like Juliet working AND BY COINCIDENCE, every other applicant has the same degree level and every applicant comes from a different university/college. However, there is no other applicant disabled like Tom. .....Well, of course, Juliet will just reject his application once she notices AIU on it. HOWEVER, It just MIGHT occur based on Tom's characteristics and instincts that he might feel discriminated BECAUSE he is disabled. Any little clue might make him feel discriminated against. He has a right to question this employer, and if he feels they are not being honest, he can then try to file a charge against the EEOC! As you can see, BECAUSE OF POSSIBLE COINCIDENCES of this scenario and other possible scenarios that could occur, an open-minded person can think that a personal discriminating bias by ONE employee might cause another negative event to occur, which can lead to the serious issue of legal discrimination charges against the whole company.


SO, in the end..........You initiated a topic that never existed in my post and at the end of your post you state this .............

''Think about it. With your logic it would make no sense for someone to spend all that time and effort to go to a traditional school, if where you went to school didn't matter. Are all traditional college students wasting their time then? I don't think so.

With my logic???????? What logic??? For the most part, YOU ARE PUTTING WORDS IN MY MOUTH(not literally)!!!! THE LOGIC YOU ARE TRYING TO IMPLY AS MINE DOES NOT EVEN EXIST!!!..... EVEN WORSE, YOU ARE STATING A REASON OR REBUTTAL AGAINST A NON-EXISTANT LOGIC OR IDEA THAT I NEVER EVEN INITIATED OR EVEN TALKED ABOUT!... IT SEEMS MORE LIKE YOUR REBUTTAL OR REASONS MENTIONED IN YOUR PREVIOUS POST ARE INTENDED FOR SOMEONE'S ELSE'S POST AND NOT MINE. Everything I explained before this paragraph explains why your statement above, which is implying a logic as mine does not make sense or even fit with the logic I went ahead and clarified on an earlier paragraph on this very long post. The paragraph begins with ''I am going to explain........" Anyways, before I clarified and explained in the long paragraph earlier in this post, I did not have a logic.' What I simply did was suggest and warn Juliet that her actions MIGHT cause someone to go the EEOC. Anyone else who thinks open-mindedly or critically, would think of other possible reasons or alternatives that could occur as a result of a personal bias.

John, you made a comparison of traditional universities vs. AIU Online university??

Notice and remember that.......
NEVER in MY post did I mention or try to explain anything about traditional university or to be more specific, the admissions standards that apply to universities.(You seemed to only think of freshman admissions though. You mentioned some admission requirements for traditional universities which are the high school credit requirements (you stated them in your post) and the required minimum ACT(or SAT) test score. Here, you failed to think of many other scenarios that apply to college students.
A. Not every college student enrolls in a traditional university as a freshman. Some enroll in a 2-year community college(many have the same admission requirements as AIU) for the first or first 2 years. They then transfer to a 4-year university. Guess what? Transfer admission requirements at a university are different than first-time(freshman) admission requirements you mentioned. Most transfer admission requirements include none of the requirements you stated in your example. In the end what matters is the fact that they received the degree from an ACCREDITED university/college, not on how the enrollment/admissions process of the university was done. What exactly are you trying to prove here? Are you trying to prove that AIU is not high quality based on the sole admissions process?? Again, what matters is receiving the degree from an ACCREDITED college/university. [Don't bother to say AIU is not accredited]
B. Students that DECIDE to attend AIU online and get enrolled do not mean that they are students who do not hold all the high school credits you mentioned. It also does not mean that there are no AIU students that never took their ACT or SAT test. Just because AIU online does not require a certain placement test for admissions, does not mean that there are no AIU students who never took the ACT or SAT test and passed it. Many people take those tests before knowing what college or university they are going to attend.)

BASICALLY, NEVER in MY post did I do any type comparison of AIU Online (or any other online university) versus a traditional university(you specifically mentioned traditional STATE university in your example) or any other university.


I think your response to my earlier post is not sound. I repeated myself more than one time in this post and in different ways to clearly state what my last post was supposed to mean and how you responded almost on a different perspective of it.

.and you know what, I highly doubt you worked for AIU Online's career services.how about stating some statistics to back up your statement about AIU students never really getting jobs that required a degree..Anyway, who says their job search ended there anyway. Just because they did not get college-degree jobs when you were employed there does mean they stopped trying to achieve their goals of applying and getting a college-degree job.
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#10 UPDATE EX-employee responds

The Bottom Line

AUTHOR: John - (U.S.A.)

To Lisa, I'm sorry to say but your completely wrong. To start, you are a bit misinformed about what a equal opportunity employer means. Employers cant discriminate based on race, color, religion, sex or age; they can, however, most definitely discriminate based on where you went to school. This is common practice and common sense. Maybe my example below can help clear this up.

Applicant A has a no experience but a degree from AIU. Admission to AIU requires a high school diploma.


Applicant B has no experience but a degree from a state university. Admission into the state university requires at least: 4 years of HS English, 3 years of HS math, 2 years HS arts, 2 years HS social studies, 2 years HS foreign language, at least a 23 on the ACT, and two letters of recommendation.

Who would you hire?

Think about it. With your logic it would make no sense for someone to spend all that time and effort to go to a traditional school, if where you went to school didn't matter. Are all traditional college students wasting their time then? I don't think so.

Believe me, I had the painful opportunity to work in AIU's career services department and the students I tried to help get jobs never got jobs that really required a degree. The majority of the students that I worked with all had at least 3.5 GPA's but they were far from what I would consider college educated. Sorry
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AUTHOR: William - (U.S.A.)

I have read your opinion of AIU and I have to say that it sounds more to me that you are just mad at the school. Every school system has different ways of handling employees some good some bad, from your remarks it sounds like you were not able to meet the standards or expectations of the school. I attend AIU and I can say that they do accept credits for classes attended at other universities and I have had no problems at all with the financial aid department. Every time I have made an inquire involving my financial aid they have responded and in a timely manner. Maybe they had another employee that you have or had knowledge of that did not do their job well either. Either way it seems, based on your comments you resent the way they handled your situation and that you are going to get back at them for it. Only my opinion but you have not provided any concrete evidence for your remarks that can be confirmed. As for mine, all anyone has to do is call the school and verify what I have stated. Others have posted statements to the effect that the school is not accredited, but that is an untrue statement as well and can be confirmed by going to the web site for the Commission on Colleges Southern Association of Colleges and Schools, (http://www.sacs.org/) the direct link to the report is: http://www.sacscoc.org/disclosure/dec2006/American%20InterContinental%20U.pdf.
The school is on probation but is still a fully accredited member; others in the system have had similar things happen to them also.

Reference:

Commission on Colleges, (January 2, 2007). Disclosure Statement Regarding the Status of AMERICAN INTERCONTINENTAL UNIVERSITY. Retrieved June 4, 2007, from Commission on Colleges Southern Association of Colleges and Schools Web site: http://www.sacscoc.org/disclosure/dec2006/American%20InterContinental%20U.pdf
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"I do not want to hire an employee who has been educated at AIU...." - Total 'Needle In a Haystack Opinion'

AUTHOR: Lisa - (U.S.A.)

To the person who quoted..."And definitely, I do not want to hire an employee who has been 'educated' at AIU, or a similarly unqualified school, for while they may have the ability to discern a fraud when faced with one, they do not have the wisdom to pass it up in favor of finding a legitimate source of education."

First of all what makes AIU Online 'unqualified'??? What CREDIBLE source can you find to make other people get on your side? Rather, what credible source do you have to backup your 'needle in a haystack' opinion? You know, no professional and ETHICAL business, firm, corporation, organization, etc. would base a hiring process like yours anyway. AIU is ACCREDITED AND WILL STAY ACCREDITED. Anyways, again, in different words, what constitutes 'unqualified'? Oh wait.....it's just YOUR opinion.

Basically, your opinion is just a form of DISCRIMINATION.

"I do not want to hire an employee who has been 'educated' at AIU, or a similarly unqualified school"

......Yeah right, if you are a professional(I doubt you are) go ahead and pull off that number and someone just might be calling the EEOC on your butt ASAP. You probably doubt that anyone would ever suspect you are rejecting an applicant based on that, but there have been many charges filed because people have SUSPECTED that they were discriminated against due to not getting a fair chance in the hiring process. Well, I doubt you will encounter a situation like that in your life anyway.(A situation I'm referring to is where you are at an upper-level position looking at a resume of an applicant with American Intercontinental University in the Education section and then you cross them off your list to give them an interview, etc. Yeah, you WISH that could happen, but IT NEVER WILL! If it has already happened, then SO WHAT, YOU FAILED anyway. You know why you failed?? There are thousands of other companies with ETHICS that probably hired that applicant anyway. That AIU Online graduate has a higher probability to get hired at a great ethical company that is an equal opportunity employer. ANYWAYS, I DO believe in general, you are prone to encounter a situation where someone is filing a charge with the EEOC against your employer, all because of your discriminating mind or discriminating actions. It sounds to me like you are a person that has other discriminations, so that is why I say you definately might encounter situation of getting in trouble with the LAW...)
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AUTHOR: Steve - (U.S.A.)

Juliet, you are a tool. 100's of Fortune 500 schools hire AIU graduates. I highly doubt you work for or own a Fortune 500 company so your opinion should mean nothing to people reading your posts. I worked for AIU and HATED how the employees were treated. That being said, the education students recieve from there is worth it.

Are you that big of a snob to judge someone's grammar? Perhaps that same person you ripped on can do math equations quicker than you can. Does that make them superior to you? Of course not. Did you know Enstien was dyslexic? In your eyes he must have been uneducated. In fact, many educated people are dyslexic or use impropper grammar but that doesn't mean that the school they attended was incompetent.

I have a Masters from Columbia but I still can't do trigonometry, that must make me uneducated too. Perhaps you need to look in the mirror before questioning someone else on their knowledge. I quit AIU because I hated how CEC treated the employees. I never doubted the education and never will. If it were a "diploma mill" the graduation rate would be much higher. You can see the rate on AIU's website and you'll see it's about the same as most schools. In fact I CHALLENGE you to enroll there. You can quit after 1 week with no obligation, but I would be willing to bet that you, Ms. Juliet, will find that it is NOT so easy. Imagine cramming 2 years into 13 months. Do you think that's easy for many? But go ahead, apply. I want to see you struggle so maybe someone can wipe the ugliness away from you.

I have stated many times that CEC/AIU online does not treat employees as weel as they should. But DO NOT make people who NEED online education feel unworthy of work because some snob from Alabama thinks she knows all.
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Low-Quality Schools DO GET YOUR RESUME THROWN OUT

AUTHOR: Juliet - (U.S.A.)

Manny, you claim I am pretending' something??? What, I cannot imagine, cause I certainly do not pretend anything. I write responses about reports ON the reports that I am referencing.

If I wrote a response on ANOTHER thread that you interpret as meaning AIU without stating AIU, well, was the original report about AIU, or was I lamenting the horrible scams that so many of these online universities' have perpetrated, under so many names, and so many owners, and you PERCEIVED, instantly, that AIU fits the mold???

Manny, if anyone reading thinks I WAS NOT referring to AIU, ON THIS VERY POST, I can hardly be held responsible for their inability to interpret what is not explicitly stated. It's part of using your brain to understand when a person is writing on a specific subject originally referenced that they MOST LIKELY do, indeed, intend their comments to be referring to the named subject of the report.

Clearly I mean AIU, and absolutely, I hope to never be subjected to working FOR someone who would go to such a disreputable school, and thinks they have a quality education.

I also hope very much I never have to work WITH someone who went to AIU.

And definitely, I do not want to hire an employee who has been 'educated' at AIU, or a similarly unqualified school, for while they may have the ability to discern a fraud when faced with one, they do not have the wisdom to pass it up in favor of finding a legitimate source of education.

T. from San Diego was offended because T. perceived, WRONGLY, that I was slamming ALL ONLINE EDUCATION. That was not what I was saying at all, and I made that clear in my response.

When tons of resumes are received, believe me, the quality of the school is absolutely one basis on which the wheat is separated from the chaff. If you think otherwise, that is your choice but it is not reality.

I do, indeed, take my own advice. I wouldn't touch any of these schools with a 10 foot pole, much less give them my money, and then expect respect for my education'.
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Low-Quality Schools DO GET YOUR RESUME THROWN OUT

AUTHOR: Juliet - (U.S.A.)

Manny, you claim I am pretending' something??? What, I cannot imagine, cause I certainly do not pretend anything. I write responses about reports ON the reports that I am referencing.

If I wrote a response on ANOTHER thread that you interpret as meaning AIU without stating AIU, well, was the original report about AIU, or was I lamenting the horrible scams that so many of these online universities' have perpetrated, under so many names, and so many owners, and you PERCEIVED, instantly, that AIU fits the mold???

Manny, if anyone reading thinks I WAS NOT referring to AIU, ON THIS VERY POST, I can hardly be held responsible for their inability to interpret what is not explicitly stated. It's part of using your brain to understand when a person is writing on a specific subject originally referenced that they MOST LIKELY do, indeed, intend their comments to be referring to the named subject of the report.

Clearly I mean AIU, and absolutely, I hope to never be subjected to working FOR someone who would go to such a disreputable school, and thinks they have a quality education.

I also hope very much I never have to work WITH someone who went to AIU.

And definitely, I do not want to hire an employee who has been 'educated' at AIU, or a similarly unqualified school, for while they may have the ability to discern a fraud when faced with one, they do not have the wisdom to pass it up in favor of finding a legitimate source of education.

T. from San Diego was offended because T. perceived, WRONGLY, that I was slamming ALL ONLINE EDUCATION. That was not what I was saying at all, and I made that clear in my response.

When tons of resumes are received, believe me, the quality of the school is absolutely one basis on which the wheat is separated from the chaff. If you think otherwise, that is your choice but it is not reality.

I do, indeed, take my own advice. I wouldn't touch any of these schools with a 10 foot pole, much less give them my money, and then expect respect for my education'.
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Low-Quality Schools DO GET YOUR RESUME THROWN OUT

AUTHOR: Juliet - (U.S.A.)

Manny, you claim I am pretending' something??? What, I cannot imagine, cause I certainly do not pretend anything. I write responses about reports ON the reports that I am referencing.

If I wrote a response on ANOTHER thread that you interpret as meaning AIU without stating AIU, well, was the original report about AIU, or was I lamenting the horrible scams that so many of these online universities' have perpetrated, under so many names, and so many owners, and you PERCEIVED, instantly, that AIU fits the mold???

Manny, if anyone reading thinks I WAS NOT referring to AIU, ON THIS VERY POST, I can hardly be held responsible for their inability to interpret what is not explicitly stated. It's part of using your brain to understand when a person is writing on a specific subject originally referenced that they MOST LIKELY do, indeed, intend their comments to be referring to the named subject of the report.

Clearly I mean AIU, and absolutely, I hope to never be subjected to working FOR someone who would go to such a disreputable school, and thinks they have a quality education.

I also hope very much I never have to work WITH someone who went to AIU.

And definitely, I do not want to hire an employee who has been 'educated' at AIU, or a similarly unqualified school, for while they may have the ability to discern a fraud when faced with one, they do not have the wisdom to pass it up in favor of finding a legitimate source of education.

T. from San Diego was offended because T. perceived, WRONGLY, that I was slamming ALL ONLINE EDUCATION. That was not what I was saying at all, and I made that clear in my response.

When tons of resumes are received, believe me, the quality of the school is absolutely one basis on which the wheat is separated from the chaff. If you think otherwise, that is your choice but it is not reality.

I do, indeed, take my own advice. I wouldn't touch any of these schools with a 10 foot pole, much less give them my money, and then expect respect for my education'.
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Low-Quality Schools DO GET YOUR RESUME THROWN OUT

AUTHOR: Juliet - (U.S.A.)

Manny, you claim I am pretending' something??? What, I cannot imagine, cause I certainly do not pretend anything. I write responses about reports ON the reports that I am referencing.

If I wrote a response on ANOTHER thread that you interpret as meaning AIU without stating AIU, well, was the original report about AIU, or was I lamenting the horrible scams that so many of these online universities' have perpetrated, under so many names, and so many owners, and you PERCEIVED, instantly, that AIU fits the mold???

Manny, if anyone reading thinks I WAS NOT referring to AIU, ON THIS VERY POST, I can hardly be held responsible for their inability to interpret what is not explicitly stated. It's part of using your brain to understand when a person is writing on a specific subject originally referenced that they MOST LIKELY do, indeed, intend their comments to be referring to the named subject of the report.

Clearly I mean AIU, and absolutely, I hope to never be subjected to working FOR someone who would go to such a disreputable school, and thinks they have a quality education.

I also hope very much I never have to work WITH someone who went to AIU.

And definitely, I do not want to hire an employee who has been 'educated' at AIU, or a similarly unqualified school, for while they may have the ability to discern a fraud when faced with one, they do not have the wisdom to pass it up in favor of finding a legitimate source of education.

T. from San Diego was offended because T. perceived, WRONGLY, that I was slamming ALL ONLINE EDUCATION. That was not what I was saying at all, and I made that clear in my response.

When tons of resumes are received, believe me, the quality of the school is absolutely one basis on which the wheat is separated from the chaff. If you think otherwise, that is your choice but it is not reality.

I do, indeed, take my own advice. I wouldn't touch any of these schools with a 10 foot pole, much less give them my money, and then expect respect for my education'.
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#18 UPDATE EX-employee responds

maybe you should take your own advice!

AUTHOR: Manny - (U.S.A.)

Juliet, just as the title says, maybe you should take your own advice. The previous poster replied to the post you submitted under a thread about AIU. For you to pretend that you were not inferring AIU with your comments, well thats just crazy.

Anyway, as an ex-employee, and also someone who has the AA and a BIT from this school, I can attest that the program is very arduous, meaning that you just can't pay your money and have a monkey do your work for you and still pass with a degree. It does take some work.

I had issues with admission when I worked there as well but aside from treating the employees questionably, the actual academic side of the university is rather good.

I have continued my education via a community college in regards to certifications for my field but every employer that I have interviewed with, AIU hasn't even been a question on any of the interviews. So for those of you out there looking for jobs, you worked hard for your degree and you should be proud to display it on your resume as you would any other college.

For those of you who would judge a candidate based on the school they went to, judge the candidate based on what they know, otherwise if you are trashing resumes before you even talk to the person, most of the time you are missing out on quality employees. I say most because there is always some cracked eggs in the carton. lol
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#19 Consumer Comment

Try COMPREHENDING what you read

AUTHOR: Juliet - (U.S.A.)

T., I am offended you have an 'AA' DEGREE, and very little reading COMPREHENSION.

This is EXACTLY what I said regarding these NOTORIOUS online schools:

'With all the campus-based, bricks-and-mortar universities and colleges that

******now offer online programs as part of their curriculum - *****

never again will I even contemplate an *online university* of the kind that fill Ripoff Reports.

I hope anyone looking

******for online education will turn to the schools in their areas, or schools of long-standing, genuine repute,*******

and explore the options they offer for online learning.'

and then:

'I hope that within ten years, OR LESS, PLEASE!, all of these infamous *schools* will have been eliminated from the landscape of online education.'

Note, I specified '...online university* OF THE KIND THAT FILL RIPOFF REPORTS.'

Then I said I hoped people would turn to REPUTABLE SCHOOLS FOR ONLINE OPTIONS.

Last, I said that I hoped these 'INFAMOUS *SCHOOLS*' will be eliminated.

Nowhere, ever, did I say anything derogatory about REPUTABLE SCHOOLS offering ONLINE DEGREES.

You evidently are proof of the quality of 'education' one receives at AIU.
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#20 Consumer Comment

AIU is a good school but...

AUTHOR: T - (U.S.A.)

I have a comment for Juliet in regards to an education with AIU. I recently got my AA degree through them and don't knock it till you try it. I was pouring 10-12 hours a week in regards to reading and doing my assignments. I was more challenged taking classes online than I ever was at a ground campus.I am walking away from that school with a great education and I am proud to be a graduate. Their business practices maybe more on the sales side in regards to enrollment but that is the type of society we have become; we have forced even educational institutions to adopt sales like tactics.

There are a lot of great schools out there but there are also bad ones. It is up to the student to have the due diligience to research their options and make sure the school they are signing up with has the proper accredidation and curriculum.

Just because someone got their education online doesn't mean they didn't get a good one. I am offended by your snap judgement in regards to individuals who can't go to a traditional ground campus and can only get their education online.
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#21 Consumer Comment

Online Univs. Should Be Hearing the Death-Knell

AUTHOR: Juliet - (U.S.A.)

With all the campus-based, bricks-and-mortar universities and colleges that now offer online programs as part of their curriculum - never again will I even contemplate an *online university* of the kind that fill Ripoff Reports.

I hope anyone looking for online education will turn to the schools in their areas, or schools of long-standing, genuine repute, and explore the options they offer for online learning.

If I were to interview people, or work for or with anyone who has an AIU education, or any of the other notorious *online schools* - my respect for their credentials will be zero. I just hope I never have to work for someone who has gone this route.

I hope that within ten years, OR LESS, PLEASE!, all of these infamous *schools* will have been eliminated from the landscape of online education.
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