• Report: #164921

Complaint Review: Amway - Quixtar

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  • Submitted: Thu, November 17, 2005
  • Updated: Wed, May 23, 2007

  • Reported By:Riverview Florida
Amway - Quixtar
www.amway.com Grand Rapids, Michigan U.S.A.

Amway - Quixtar They make their real money selling motivation, not products ripoff Grand Rapids Michigan

*Consumer Comment: I totally agree with you

*Consumer Comment: They are my customers...

*UPDATE EX-employee responds: Husband is NOT responsible

*Consumer Comment: RE: Enid

*Consumer Comment: Amway/Quixtar complete scams

*Author of original report: Not Necessarily

*Consumer Comment: Husband?

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When I realized my husband would never be able to bring himself to do the things they asked in order to "build the business", I asked, and then begged that he stop spending the money on books and tapes, seminars and major rallies.

He just kept going on with it, and the longer it went the more I realized that the primary reason we could not get any real help from our upline was that they were already making plenty of money from us off of their share of the tapes, books, seminars, and rallies. Just one example; it costs pennies each to mass duplicate a tape of one of these "upline" talking at a rally, and our price for the two tapes of the week ten years ago was over $7.00 each!

Finally I asked our oh-so-caring sponsors to talk to him and get him to drop the business since he was obviously not going to work it. Instead, they encouraged him to continue having contact with them behind my back, he got a credit card that I did not know about and put $6,000 on it while pulling the bills out of the mail so that I never saw them.

This was because I was working a second job to try and pay off the other two credit cards, 80+% of which were charged up with Amway crap. I was giving him $400 a month that he was supposed to be directly applying to charge cards. Instead, he was making the minimum payments and spending the cash on more motivational crap. They told him he was doing the right thing because once he became successful it would all be made up to me, in spades.

$16,000 spent in four years. One marriage nearly ruined. Bankruptcy. And to this day he will not throw out the pictures of himself with those Diamonds and Emeralds. He's not the same person and never will be, thanks to the brainwashing techniques they use, which strongly resemble those used by religious cults.

The only time in my life that I would refuse to urinate on one of those rat-faced Amway ba****** would be if he or she were on fire.

Enid
NoCity, Florida
U.S.A.

This report was posted on Ripoff Report on 11/17/2005 07:39 AM and is a permanent record located here: http://www.ripoffreport.com/r/Amway-Quixtar/Grand-Rapids-Michigan-49503/Amway-Quixtar-They-make-their-real-money-selling-motivation-not-products-ripoff-Grand-R-164921. The posting time indicated is Arizona local time. Arizona does not observe daylight savings so the post time may be Mountain or Pacific depending on the time of year.

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#1 Consumer Comment

I totally agree with you

AUTHOR: Ashley - (U.S.A.)

Hey you should read my post about quixtar maybe a year ago I wrote it. I think the title is quixtar is a cult or something. But you are absolutely right and Im glad you seen through it too. Did you know the vp admitted on dateline that the motivational tools are how they really make the big bucks?? Anyways if you want more information just read my post, just wanted to give you a high five.
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#2 Consumer Comment

They are my customers...

AUTHOR: Mikey - (U.S.A.)

PRELUDE

I work for a restaurant that is frequented by a group of people know as "The Team" Which is a quickstar group. At least once a month they come in to the restaurant at around 11:00pm - Midnight. They fill up the entire restaurant, are rude to the employees of the restaurant, and VERY rude to the patrons not including them. (And The tips are greatly lacking)

MAIN POINT
They once held a 'seminar' at my restaurant which consisted of telling us they would have 30 people comming in. It was 60. they had a speaker who sat down like he was god and everyone else sat, stood, or did whatever they had to get as close to him as possiable. This went on for 4 hours. I heard the Speaker say many things that as a kind person made me flinch, but nothing like the comment he said about 30 min. before they left. He said that "COLLEGE IS A WASTE OF TIME. IF YOU ARE IN COLLEGE DO YOURSELF A FAVOR AND DROP OUT" he went on to say how big of a waste of money and time that it is. He add more saying that your time and money could be better spent investing in your business.

CONCLUSION
2 years ago I was involved with quickstar for 2 months and it was then that i noticed the brainwashing techniques. After hearing thier speaker that night in my restaurant though... I think I'll drop out of school to sell soap and motivational tapes!

Signed,
Mikey
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#3 UPDATE EX-employee responds

Husband is NOT responsible

AUTHOR: Claire - (U.S.A.)

Cory,

You have to understand that the Amway philosophy is to tell people like this gentleman to 'never give up' even though money is just being thrown away. I feel desperately for Edid as I lost a wonderful man who I had been dating for 7 years, to Amway. He turned from a wonderful, generous and career minded individual to someone who stole money from me and others, lied, and suddenly discovered God when I couldn't even persuade him to go to church on christmas day.

Amway IBO's do not advise anyone who could be a good contact, that they have an amway business. In fact, my ex took my address book without me looking and rang everyone of my friends. He cancelled a holiday because he had not reached his target (called delayed gratification) and because I was not interested in his business, I was branded with the attractive label of 'negative spouse'. I went to 2 seminars, both of which the women told the audience that amway had saved their marriage, and tears were rolling down her cheeks before, Mr Ego, her husband comes to the stage. His funny, brings the audience to a mental high and tells them to buy every tape, book, product (crap) and even contact, which will give them their dream. At the end, we had a photo where all the masterly men stood at the back with their hands on their wife's shoulders, and the WOMEN HAD TO STAND TO THE SIDE FACING ONE WAY, WITH ONE OF THEIR KNEES BENT AS IF THEY WERE IN A BEAUTY CONTEST. IT WAS SICK.
What was interesting to me was that my ex was brainwashed never to hear, reason or accept another point of view. He was trained to ignore negative comments and ignore all the wonderful friends that we had made together over the past 10 years. His amway family were his only friends
he wanted. I left him 2 years later after coming home to my house and finding that every item that I had in the house where applicable, was destroyed and replaced by Amway products. I even got screamed at for using a branded shampoo instead of Amway - and he didn't even live there.

He bought me a cell phone with a 2 year contract - I already had one. He set up, without telling me, a second telephone line at my house and then started bring people over. When we parted, he left me with debts of approximately 2k, but must of all, he left me feeling bereft.

Some might be wondering why I stayed and put up with this treatment. The truth is that we had been together for five wonderful years, and I hoped very much that he would see sense at some point, but it didn't happen until later.

He left amway a year later 20k in debt, fired from his job, and with no friends. The so called amway family suddenly cut him off. This once brilliant and charismatic young man who was so excited about working his way to the top of the ladder, ended up not progressing any further.

I still love him, and always will. I cannot believe that anyone can be part of this evil and thieving business, and IF I CAN STOP EVEN ONE PERSON FROM MAKING SUCH A TERRIBLE MISTAKE, THEN THIS POSTING WILL BE WORTHWHILE. I AM NORMALLY MORE BALANCED, BUT THIS EXPERIENCE DESTROYED A VERY PRECIOUS PART OF MY LIFE.
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#4 Consumer Comment

RE: Enid

AUTHOR: Cori - (U.S.A.)

Wow! How sad that this happened to you & your husband. To the person who posted that your husband has an addiction which is the problem & not Amway...shame on you! The cult like techniques that Amway/Quixtar recruiters use to get into the minds of those desperately seeking financial freedom is unbelievable! I know firsthand after attending just 2 meetings.

Just google Amway/Quixtar & you'll find out how many people out there really have been swindled out of their hard earned money & valuable time on this foolish nonsense that will never make anyone rich except the guys selling all of that motivational crap. That's where the money is. I see this happening right now to my friends who spend a lot of money attending these weekly motivational meetings, buying tapes, books & other motivational tools, spending money on functions & rallies, etc., etc.

It's all a great big lie designed to steal & cheat anyone they can recruit! My friends are buying into this & have tried to get me involved, but after everything that I have just recently found out about Amway/Quixtar, there's no way I would ever invest a dime in this business! I just hope they can see the light & get about before they go broke because of this company! My best to you putting your life back together!
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#5 Consumer Comment

Amway/Quixtar complete scams

AUTHOR: Bill - (U.S.A.)

Amway/Quixtar is a scam. They make money off of books, tapes, meetings etc. Their products are mostly junk and you can find better merchandise on the net or even a store for less money.

It's entertaining how people involved with Amway
refer to anyone who bad-mouths the company a "Dream Stealer" or a "Broke Loser".
I bet I am the only broke loser who drives an 05 Carrera and owns a construction company.

I was only 19 the first time I was exposed to mlm and I knew to stay away from them even then.
There will never be a shortage of people who will fall for pipe-dreams of wealth.
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#6 Author of original report

Not Necessarily

AUTHOR: Denise - (U.S.A.)

I would interpret it that way too, looking in from the outside. I can only say that he nad never exhibited any type of addictive behavior before, and hasn't since.

I think part of it is that I am much more inclined to be a rule-breaker than he is, so I didn't do a lot of what they strongly urged us to do. For example, at the major rallies they wanted you to stay for the whooooole thing starting with the Friday banquet and rally/speeches/entertainment going through until 2-3 AM. Then up in time for the 7:30 AM breakfast banquet, speeches/rally until noon. Then you were on your own for two whole hours during which it was strongly suggested that you go out for lunch with your sponsors and group. Then 2PM speeches/rally/entertainment until dinner banquet, followed by more speeches/rally/entertainment, again until 2-3 AM. More of the same on Sunday until noon, when you got back into your cars to drive home (flying to rallies is strongly discouraged, because your sponsor will invariably want to carpool so they can pump you up on the way there and back as well.)

Sleep deprivation along with repetitive giving of the same information in a format where you can't ask questions, punctuated with rousing sessions of hand-clapping, cheering, etc. In other words, techniques similar to those used by everyone from the Moonies to the Nazi Youth Movement.

Like I said, I'm more of a rule-breaker than he is, and I left the sessions regularly for breaks and refused to stay past 11 or midnight. Maybe that made the difference for me as far as how deeply I absorbed the conditioning.

I don't know, really. I just know that the whole thing stinks and that my family life will never be the same.
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#7 Consumer Comment

Husband?

AUTHOR: Cory - (U.S.A.)

I think your husband is more the problem then amway. Maybe his name ought to be on the post. Most of what you write about amway is true. Your husband exhibits signs of an addiction. If it wasn't amway, it would have been something else. Good luck and get some counseling.
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