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  • Submitted: Wed, August 13, 2008
  • Updated: Fri, October 15, 2010

  • Reported By:Hobe Sound Florida
Anders Bouviers
2109 S Mohican Trl Inverness, Florida U.S.A.

Anders Bouviers Dishonest Breeder who sells poor temperment dogs and steals money Inverness Florida

*General Comment: Update - October 14, 2010

*Consumer Suggestion: Fishy? No, just dishonest. Do your homework JT

*Consumer Suggestion: Fishy? No, just dishonest. Do your homework JT

*Consumer Suggestion: Fishy? No, just dishonest. Do your homework JT

*UPDATE EX-employee responds: Buyer Beware!!!!!!!

*Consumer Comment: re: Anders Bouvier

*Consumer Comment: Ongoing problems

*Consumer Comment: Ongoing problems

*Consumer Comment: Ongoing problems

*Consumer Suggestion: Something Fishy About This Complaint

*Consumer Comment: Anders Bouviers

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I purchased a dog from Margret Nolan in August 2008. She had an eight month old male that she said she could sell me for a good price. I explained to her that I wanted this dog from grooming/obedience/agility competitions. The dog must be of good temperment. She said he was and his price was 1200.00. I said ok and went to told her I was in North Carolina so it would be three weeks before I would be home. She said no problem send her a check for a deposit.

I picked up the dog three weeks later from her groomer. Ms Nolan stated she would be out of town for a job. I should have been alerted then, I usually like to see a breeder's facility. I have been working around dogs all my life, so he was very good with me. I walked him around, put him in the van and left. I got him home and kept him quiet for a couple of days let him settle in. At this time I noticed he was very weary of ALL the neighbors in the area, so I chalked this up to his change of residency. I had to run him to the vet on the second day to fulfill my health check clause on the contract I signed with Ms. Nolan. He needed to be muzzled at the vet, he was one of the most aggressive dogs my vet had ever seen. I still gave him the benefit of the doubt, which I shouldn't have.

On the third day, a friend of mine stopped in to see me. I put him on a leash, had her walk up to the side of him ( non dominant) and avoid eye contact. To my dismay, he tried to bite her. She was lucky she only got a couple of teeth marks on her, not her skin broken. I punished him on the spot and put him in a down. At this point, I knew he had a temperment issue.

I took him to an experienced dog trainer in Stuart, FL at the Dog Planet, LLC. This gentlemen had experience in Schutzhund, Agility, Obedience, and other dog sports. He told me this dog was very dangerous and would need extensive work. He also said this dog would NEVER be suitable for what I needed him for. I took him back to Inverness the next day, because being sued over a dangerous dog is something I was not willing to risk. I kept his AKC papers because Ms Nolan would not meet with me, but once again said to drop him off at her groomers.

I took her to small claims court and won my judgement against her. As you know, winning the judgement is easy, collecting is another matter. I am in the process of finishing that paperwork. And I am still without $1200.00. Please buyers beware of this Breeder.

She also runs a rescue agency out of the same place as her kennel. Though I applaud the rescue of animals, her puppies have been exposed to various diseases. I was going to trade her out a puppy for the dog, but the litter she had at the moment were at the vet because she said they had Parvo.

Michele
Hobe Sound, Florida
U.S.A.

This report was posted on Ripoff Report on 08/13/2008 09:54 AM and is a permanent record located here: http://www.ripoffreport.com/r/Anders-Bouviers/Inverness-Florida-34450/Anders-Bouviers-Dishonest-Breeder-who-sells-poor-temperment-dogs-and-steals-money-Invernes-362413. The posting time indicated is Arizona local time. Arizona does not observe daylight savings so the post time may be Mountain or Pacific depending on the time of year.

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#1 General Comment

Update - October 14, 2010

AUTHOR: Fed Up Too - (United States of America)

Anders Bouviers/Margret Nolan/MargretMeier/Humane Society of Inverness has moved to Bushnell, FL (Sumpter County).

Nolan applied for a commercial kennel license there, however the County commissioners denied her request after doing inspections of the property, seeking input from neighbors, and reviewing documentation detailing animal control violations and citations from Citrus County (where Inverness is located).

Copies of the Executive Summary and the documentation submitted can be found at
http://www.sumtercountyfl.gov/AgendaModule/AGID136/Agenda.html

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Fishy? No, just dishonest. Do your homework JT

AUTHOR: Dlantol - (U.S.A.)

JT,
The address is for the Humane Society of Inverness. If you do your homework JT, you will find that Margret's residence is also located at this address. She lives in a home with her bouviers and has kennels on other parts of the property for the Humane Society rescues. There is absolutely no discrepancy with this. It is fact.

Also, my puppy showed similar characteristics of aggression. She could be super sweet but you could not turn sideways or turn your back to her. I taught her to give eskimo kisses with her nose. How sweet is this? However, she has repeatedly attacked me and bloodied my legs numerous times. Holding onto a bite like a well trained machine. This started happening at less than 3 months of age. There is nothing fishy about it. It is fact and it is a real aggression problem.


It is also a fact that agility amongst other sports require control of your dog while off lead. A potentially vicious dangerous dog does not need to be off lead around other people or dogs. You may not mind your small child potentially becoming his or her rag doll, but in all conscienceness, I couldn't take that chance. It was not only the liability of a dangerous dog, it was that a child or innocent person could get hurt. It would be outrageously irresponsible to take a dog like that off lead in a public area. As far as correcting bad behaviors and rewarding good ones, not all dogs respond the same way to the same style of training. Your comments show some definate ignorance.

Also you suggested that they e-mail you and make arrangement to give you the puppy. Did you not read the part where they have returned the dog to Margret?

I strongly suggest you read again and research things before you go posting half cocked comments.

Kareen,
As far as the owners of the 8 month old bouvier. They posted this report in August of 2008. They won their court case in 10/12/2007. I'm sure the date was a typo. They probably meant that they purchased the dog in Aug 2007. It's in public records.

Again, I strongly encourage everyone to do some homework before dealing with this person.
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Fishy? No, just dishonest. Do your homework JT

AUTHOR: Dlantol - (U.S.A.)

JT,
The address is for the Humane Society of Inverness. If you do your homework JT, you will find that Margret's residence is also located at this address. She lives in a home with her bouviers and has kennels on other parts of the property for the Humane Society rescues. There is absolutely no discrepancy with this. It is fact.

Also, my puppy showed similar characteristics of aggression. She could be super sweet but you could not turn sideways or turn your back to her. I taught her to give eskimo kisses with her nose. How sweet is this? However, she has repeatedly attacked me and bloodied my legs numerous times. Holding onto a bite like a well trained machine. This started happening at less than 3 months of age. There is nothing fishy about it. It is fact and it is a real aggression problem.


It is also a fact that agility amongst other sports require control of your dog while off lead. A potentially vicious dangerous dog does not need to be off lead around other people or dogs. You may not mind your small child potentially becoming his or her rag doll, but in all conscienceness, I couldn't take that chance. It was not only the liability of a dangerous dog, it was that a child or innocent person could get hurt. It would be outrageously irresponsible to take a dog like that off lead in a public area. As far as correcting bad behaviors and rewarding good ones, not all dogs respond the same way to the same style of training. Your comments show some definate ignorance.

Also you suggested that they e-mail you and make arrangement to give you the puppy. Did you not read the part where they have returned the dog to Margret?

I strongly suggest you read again and research things before you go posting half cocked comments.

Kareen,
As far as the owners of the 8 month old bouvier. They posted this report in August of 2008. They won their court case in 10/12/2007. I'm sure the date was a typo. They probably meant that they purchased the dog in Aug 2007. It's in public records.

Again, I strongly encourage everyone to do some homework before dealing with this person.
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#4 Consumer Suggestion

Fishy? No, just dishonest. Do your homework JT

AUTHOR: Dlantol - (U.S.A.)

JT,
The address is for the Humane Society of Inverness. If you do your homework JT, you will find that Margret's residence is also located at this address. She lives in a home with her bouviers and has kennels on other parts of the property for the Humane Society rescues. There is absolutely no discrepancy with this. It is fact.

Also, my puppy showed similar characteristics of aggression. She could be super sweet but you could not turn sideways or turn your back to her. I taught her to give eskimo kisses with her nose. How sweet is this? However, she has repeatedly attacked me and bloodied my legs numerous times. Holding onto a bite like a well trained machine. This started happening at less than 3 months of age. There is nothing fishy about it. It is fact and it is a real aggression problem.


It is also a fact that agility amongst other sports require control of your dog while off lead. A potentially vicious dangerous dog does not need to be off lead around other people or dogs. You may not mind your small child potentially becoming his or her rag doll, but in all conscienceness, I couldn't take that chance. It was not only the liability of a dangerous dog, it was that a child or innocent person could get hurt. It would be outrageously irresponsible to take a dog like that off lead in a public area. As far as correcting bad behaviors and rewarding good ones, not all dogs respond the same way to the same style of training. Your comments show some definate ignorance.

Also you suggested that they e-mail you and make arrangement to give you the puppy. Did you not read the part where they have returned the dog to Margret?

I strongly suggest you read again and research things before you go posting half cocked comments.

Kareen,
As far as the owners of the 8 month old bouvier. They posted this report in August of 2008. They won their court case in 10/12/2007. I'm sure the date was a typo. They probably meant that they purchased the dog in Aug 2007. It's in public records.

Again, I strongly encourage everyone to do some homework before dealing with this person.
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Buyer Beware!!!!!!!

AUTHOR: Dlantol - (U.S.A.)

First I'd like to say that I used to volunteer for Margret for her Humane Society. I have seen things that are appalling and that would turn your stomach. I eventually had to distance myself from the organization. But I still wanted to have faith and trust in Margret but was concerned about her judgement at times. Over a period of time I have come to the conclusion that Margret is a Sociopath and a pathological liar. I kept making excuses of language barriers for her lies but eventually was taken by her too many times myself to ignore it anymore. Kareen is one of Margret's best friends. However, she lives in California. It would be easy for a sociopath to fool anyone, much less someone living that far away. I don't blame Kareen for standing up for her. Think how charismatic Hitler was. But I saw too much with my own eyes and was taken in by her too many times. I'm not going to get too much into details over the Humane society things that was so appalling and disgusting, I will instead shed some light on my own experiences with a bad tempered puppy. We bought our first bouvier from her 4 years ago. 2 years ago we decided to get another one. She was from different bloodlines and became very aggressive at a very early age. She would latch on and not let go of a bite at less than 3 months of age. After many attacks and an attempt to at obedience training we took her back to Margret and gave her $1500.00 dollars to start with to take her to a professional trainer in the Lakeland area and get her under control. She was to keep her for another few months after the trainer finished with her until we could get her. Between the time at the trainers and time at her house would have been 5 months. She never took her to the trainer, never trained her and never got her obedience title as promised. There were constant excuses for me to not come out and see her like "She's in training and I don't want to set her back" or "I will be out of town" amongst others. When I was finally able to lay eyes on my dog in Oct. her nipples were very enlarged. I asked Margret about this and she said that they will enlarge during a heat. I have since inquired with my breeders and they all say, she has probably been bred. She was only a year and a half old at the time. Margret said that she will probably always be aggressive so we decided to sell her back to her. We have not seen the first dime. We have over $3000 dollars invested in her and Margret has got us for $2500 of that. We still have papers on her and are the proper owners of her so why would she breed her if she can't register the puppies? As far as the guy that compares a 8 month old bouvier with an aggression issue to a 10 year old boy, all I have to say is obviously you have never dealt with a true aggression problem in a large dog. In no way shape or form is this comparable to being attacked by a ten year old boy. I have since learned that breeding two dogs that are very high strung, with strong working lines together can produce horrible results, not only for aggression issues but also other issues like OCD. As far as Margret Nolan is concerned, all I have to say is look up public records... There are many on her in Palm Beach and Citrus County ranging from civil to criminal. Beware don't have dealings with this person of any sort, you'll regret it.
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AUTHOR: Ocala50 - (U.S.A.)

Ms. Carruthers must be a good friend of Ms. Nolan's - Ms. Carruthers is listed as the founding Vice President of the "humane society" directed by Ms. Nolan. Although Ms. Carruthers lives nearly 2,500 miles across the nation (FL to CA), she is a presiding officer for a local "humane society". The corporation web site follows:

(http://www.sunbiz.org/scripts/cordet.exe?action=DETFIL&inq_doc_number=N04000009050&inq_came_from=NAMFWD&cor_web_names_seq_number=0000&names_name_ind=N&names_cor_number=&names_name_seq=&names_name_ind=&names_comp_name=HUMANESOCIETYINVERNESS&names_filing_type=)

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#7 Consumer Comment

Ongoing problems

AUTHOR: Fedup - (U.S.A.)

Ms. Nolan and her husband have been convicted of animal cruelty in at least two Florida counties (Palm Beach and Citrus) and have received multiple tickets regarding insufficient animal care. The "animal shelter" is located down a gutted, flooded dirt road and run out of her residence, a mobile home that was investigated for safety violations. She has cut holes in the structure for the dogs to enter through the walls. She advertises as a "no-kill" shelter but takes unwanted animals including Bouviers to Citrus County Animal Services for euthanasia. Doing a public records search in those two counties will confirm over 500 pages of complaint documentation. One of her dogs attacked an animal control officer resulting in the officer receiving many stitches. Please do your homework and view the "facility" before you purchase a dog from her.
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#8 Consumer Comment

Ongoing problems

AUTHOR: Fedup - (U.S.A.)

Ms. Nolan and her husband have been convicted of animal cruelty in at least two Florida counties (Palm Beach and Citrus) and have received multiple tickets regarding insufficient animal care. The "animal shelter" is located down a gutted, flooded dirt road and run out of her residence, a mobile home that was investigated for safety violations. She has cut holes in the structure for the dogs to enter through the walls. She advertises as a "no-kill" shelter but takes unwanted animals including Bouviers to Citrus County Animal Services for euthanasia. Doing a public records search in those two counties will confirm over 500 pages of complaint documentation. One of her dogs attacked an animal control officer resulting in the officer receiving many stitches. Please do your homework and view the "facility" before you purchase a dog from her.
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Ongoing problems

AUTHOR: Fedup - (U.S.A.)

Ms. Nolan and her husband have been convicted of animal cruelty in at least two Florida counties (Palm Beach and Citrus) and have received multiple tickets regarding insufficient animal care. The "animal shelter" is located down a gutted, flooded dirt road and run out of her residence, a mobile home that was investigated for safety violations. She has cut holes in the structure for the dogs to enter through the walls. She advertises as a "no-kill" shelter but takes unwanted animals including Bouviers to Citrus County Animal Services for euthanasia. Doing a public records search in those two counties will confirm over 500 pages of complaint documentation. One of her dogs attacked an animal control officer resulting in the officer receiving many stitches. Please do your homework and view the "facility" before you purchase a dog from her.
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#10 Consumer Suggestion

Something Fishy About This Complaint

AUTHOR: Jt - (U.S.A.)

I don't have any part in this tale. I have a Bouvier which I am well pleased with, and was looking for another when I came across this report.

Something FYI: The address given for Ms. Nolan in this report is the address of the Inverness Humane Society. There IS a Nolan at an address nearby on that street, but supplying the contact info of the Humane Society leaves me wondering at the validity of all of this.

Another discrepancy is in the behaviors described. The pup shows no aggression towards the strange lady who picked him up, but later nails someone who is posing no threat? This is confusion about your expectations, at worst. Perhaps the dog had some poorly devised bite "training" and thinks that is what you expect of it. It's an 8 month old pup. The dog isn't capable of any serious aggression yet. It's about like being attacked by a 10 year old boy. Might swing if mislead to thinking that doing so is a working solution, but no real threat, as he lacks the confidence to be committed in his attack.

Also, as to this pup being entirely unsuitable for agility, etc.: HOGWASH! You simply discourage the bad behavior while encouraging the desirable behavior, and the dog will be enthusiastic in pursuit of what you reward.

If you don't want the pup, get ahold of me. I'll make a perfectly good, wonderful companion of him. Seriously. contact jt at jatymusic which is a dot-com and email me. Please, no spammers, just the lady who claims to be stuck with the dog.

Suggestions: Personally, I don't part with $1200 for an untitled dog I haven't seen. I may give a hundred or so as a deposit, a show of sincere interest and good faith, but not the full amount. If something seems fishy, ask questions... lots of them. Adding a dog to your household SHOULD be at least 10 years of commitment, so know all you can before deciding to take the critter home.
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Anders Bouviers

AUTHOR: Kareen - (U.S.A.)

The posted comments indicate that this occurred this year. I personally know Margret Nolan and she has not had any litters of live pups this year in order to have a dog that would have been 8 months of age in August of 2008.

I am also intimately acquainted with the dogs bred by Mrs. Nolan. I own one and I also own the grandfather/father to several of her dogs. They are not for the faint of heart or for individuals who have no experience with strong dogs, but they grow up to be very good citizens and live good lives in the right homes.

I feel that this complaint/Rip Off Report is perhaps embellished and that there may be another side to this story which should be evaluated.

Kareen Carruthers
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