• Report: #584590

Complaint Review: Andrew Webber wutt! creative

  • Submitted: Tue, March 23, 2010
  • Updated: Tue, March 23, 2010

  • Reported By: DEREK — Las Vegas Nevada United States of America
Andrew Webber wutt! creative
HIDDEN ADDRESS, NOT AVAILABLE Toronto, Ontario United States of America

Andrew Webber wutt! creative wutt.ca, wutt.ca, wutt creative, Andrew Webber, Andrew Wutt, Andrew Wutt Creative, wutt.info, wutt toronto, wutt canada Do Not HIRE ANDREW! Andrew is a liar and and a thief. He did not do what he promised. No work performed. Toronto, Ontario

*REBUTTAL Owner of company: Bud I am not sure what point you are trying to make Derek Stonebarger of Los Vegas, Navada

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ANDREW WEBER wutt! creative, continually and blatantly lied to me for more than 3 days straight - until i called him on it and he surprisingly admitted to it. I have it all in the email chain below, from the time he responded to my add on Craigslist until I decided to join RipoffReport.com and file this report.
Please read our email correspondences, START AT THE BOTTOM.

On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 1:31 PM, Derek S. <ADDRESS HELD> wrote:
i'm sure your potential clients will understand and believe you as everything you've written will be in the chain/reviews including your last apology.

On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 1:25 PM, Andrew Webber <its.wutt@gmail.com> wrote:
Point made.
Obviously offering my apologies wouldnt do enough, but believe me they are there.

On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 4:24 PM, Derek S. <ADDRESS HELD> wrote:
what it shouldn't be a problem it's just the truth. [continued below]....
.....

On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 1:22 PM, Andrew Webber <its.wutt@gmail.com> wrote:
what?
why the hell would you do that

On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 4:20 PM, Derek S. <ADDRESS HELD> wrote:
okay great, well when things slow down for you, take a moment to search the net I as i'll be sending our chain of emails as reviews all over the internet in reference to Andrew Webber and wutt! creative etc. and i'm not joking.

On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 1:10 PM, Andrew Webber <its.wutt@gmail.com> wrote:
because based on the clip i was getting things accomplished on the other work they seemed reasonable

On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 4:09 PM, Derek S. <ADDRESS HELD> wrote:
but why would keep setting deadlines and promises that you weren't going to meet. what was the logic in choosing to hold the work then being honest then and saying you wouldn't even be starting on it until wednesday after promising to have it done by the end of the day sunday

On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 1:07 PM, Andrew Webber <its.wutt@gmail.com> wrote:
I was holding off not by choice but by requirement. I took your project at a time when several projects I was working on were seemingly on hold. I was inundated with said projects out of the blue, and due to their scale they had to take precedence.

I am not making excuses, simply answering honestly.

On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 4:06 PM, Derek S. <ADDRESS HELD> wrote:
why would you want to keep holding on to the work if you couldn't or didn't want to do it?
what is the point in making me look like a jackass to the client? i really don't understand your professional logic

On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 12:33 PM, Andrew Webber <its.wutt@gmail.com> wrote:
No I havent in all honesty

On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 3:32 PM, Derek S. <ADDRESS HELD> wrote:
you haven't even started on mine have you? please send me three frames of animation

On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 12:17 PM, Andrew Webber <its.wutt@gmail.com> wrote:
No my friend just my schedule tightened by about 50% on a couple other projects

On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 3:16 PM, Derek S. <ADDRESS HELD> wrote:
is there a problem, is there something you need help with?

On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 11:43 AM, Andrew Webber <its.wutt@gmail.com> wrote:
Not messing with you, being frank. I will give you a solid time within the next hour

On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 2:42 PM, Derek S. <ADDRESS HELD> wrote:
are you messing with me? WHAT TIME? i need to show something to client, how bout a few frames? anything please andrew.

On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 10:20 AM, Andrew Webber <its.wutt@gmail.com> wrote:
A heads up that i am likely not able to make noon

On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 9:34 PM, Andrew Webber <its.wutt@gmail.com> wrote:
before noon your time is a certainty

On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 9:28 PM, Derek S. <ADDRESS HELD> wrote:
your aim is a day late, must be a canadian thing... ha ha... but seriously when then? i'm leaving work now and won't have internet, like an hour, or like in the morning or next week... no joking even if it's wednesday the truth this time?

On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 6:23 PM, Andrew Webber <its.wutt@gmail.com> wrote:
That we did
and thats my aim

On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 9:20 PM, Derek S. <ADDRESS HELD> wrote:
i thought we discussed sending a sample few seconds to the client today

On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 6:18 PM, Andrew Webber <its.wutt@gmail.com> wrote:
Not too shabby brother, I am a bit behind schedule but its coming along

On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 9:17 PM, Derek S. <ADDRESS HELD> wrote:
how is the animation coming?

On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 6:16 PM, Andrew Webber <its.wutt@gmail.com> wrote:
Hey there
just a note my phone JUST ran out of time
whats up my friend?

EVEN THOUGH I HAVE SENT ANDREW A DEPOSIT, IT'S 6PM ON MONDAY, THE SAMPLE ANIMATION WAS TO BE DONE BY 8AM MON MORNING,
SO AT 6:15PM ON MONDAY I CALL HIM AT , HE DIDN'T ANSWER, HE INSTEAD WROTE ME AN EMAIL.

On Sun, Mar 21, 2010 at 2:17 PM, Derek S. <ADDRESS HELD> wrote:
okay great and i'll either need a alpha channel quicktime movie, or a tiff sequence with clear background, of worst case a green or blue keyable element around the character in a quicktime movie. thx.

On Sun, Mar 21, 2010 at 2:02 PM, Andrew Webber <its.wutt@gmail.com> wrote:
thats the plan

On Sun, Mar 21, 2010 at 5:01 PM, Derek S. <ADDRESS HELD> wrote:
you're working in the file size i gave you yeah - 720 x 1280 @ 72dpi?

thx.

On Sun, Mar 21, 2010 at 1:55 PM, Andrew Webber <its.wutt@gmail.com> wrote:
No prob, already rolling

On Sun, Mar 21, 2010 at 4:54 PM, Derek S. <ADDRESS HELD> wrote:
okay i sent the money to its.wutt@gmail.com
 VIA PAYPAL sorry about that, was just weirded out losing $17 per $100 that's insane

On Sun, Mar 21, 2010 at 11:21 AM, Andrew Webber <its.wutt@gmail.com> wrote:
I am starting on the animation - have my sis setting up the paypal

On Sun, Mar 21, 2010 at 1:49 PM, Andrew Webber <its.wutt@gmail.com> wrote:
Ok let me set it up

On Sun, Mar 21, 2010 at 1:44 PM, Derek S. <ADDRESS HELD> wrote:
no. let's do paypal or not i'm not going to let you wast 17% of your money for nothing.
thx.

On Sun, Mar 21, 2010 at 10:42 AM, Andrew Webber <its.wutt@gmail.com> wrote:
ill cover the fee
should have mentioned that
lets roll

On Sun, Mar 21, 2010 at 1:41 PM, Derek S. <ADDRESS HELD> wrote:
hey it costs 17 dollars to send 100 through western union.
can you create a paypal account? it costs 3% and i'll include that in the total so you don't lose it.

if not, i'm going to keep looking for an animator. thanks.
derek.

On Sun, Mar 21, 2010 at 10:26 AM, Andrew Webber <its.wutt@gmail.com> wrote:
Here is the link for credit card payment and instructions:

https://wumt.westernunion.com/WUCOMWEB/staticMid.do?method=load&countryCode=US&languageCode=e n&pagename=osMoneyTransferOptions

Select "money in minutes" service

You are sending to : Andrew Webber
City: Toronto
Province: Ontario
Country : Canada

Upon completion you will receive an MTCN number, which i will require to collect funds. After completion you will receive an email verification that the transfer is complete. Let me know if there are any issues

On Sat, Mar 20, 2010 at 7:55 PM, Derek S. <ADDRESS HELD> wrote:
yes absolutely. can you have a couple/three seconds done by monday morning, so i can show to client and confirm that's exactly what he wants. send me the link, but easier to get me at OTHER EMAIL ADDRESS HELD.

laterz.
derek.

On Sat, Mar 20, 2010 at 7:54 PM, Andrew Webber <its.wutt@gmail.com> wrote:
so are we rolling?

On Sat, Mar 20, 2010 at 7:54 PM, Andrew Webber <its.wutt@gmail.com> wrote:
i dont do paypal, but can send you a link to pay online
let me know if thats cool, I can start this right away
thanks

On Sat, Mar 20, 2010 at 7:38 PM, Derek S. <ADDRESS HELD> wrote:
perfect! I can send you $100 to get you started via paypal?
here are the files, i started attempting to do it, but ran out of time.

call me if you have questions. (DEREK'S CELL PHONE NUMBER)

thanks.
derek.

On Sat, Mar 20, 2010 at 3:52 PM, Andrew Webber <its.wutt@gmail.com> wrote:
there are several on my portfolio yes
www.wutt.ca
anything with a character pretty much is animated :)

On Sat, Mar 20, 2010 at 6:52 PM, Derek S. <ADDRESS HELD> wrote:
do you have any animation samples?
thx.

On Sat, Mar 20, 2010 at 3:25 PM, Andrew Webber <its.wutt@gmail.com> wrote:
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After reading your posting on Craigslist, I am confident I can handle your project. I encourage you to review my portfolio which is listed in my signature below.

Please note that I am a freelancer and do not sub-contract any work. I would welcome the opportunity to discuss this further with you.

Regards,

Andrew
www.wutt.ca
Skype: andrew.wutt

this message was remailed to you via: gigs-hvcxe-1653295414@craigslist.org




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#1 REBUTTAL Owner of company

Bud I am not sure what point you are trying to make Derek Stonebarger of Los Vegas, Navada

AUTHOR: Andrew - (Canada)

Well Derek now it is my turn. You can write all the s**t you want. I did nothing wrong. The only thing I did wrong was to take a job from someone like you. I am glad the person you are, showed it true colours (the canadian way) before I started the job. As I see you would have used me as you scape goat for not getting the job done right from the very beginning, Derek Stonebarger (derekstonebarger@gmail.com) Producer, Director, Screenwriter, Avid Artist of Vegaswood Studios, Las Vegas, Nevada, vegaswood.com.

You even admitted that to me in your e-mail that you would use me as the excuse for not getting the project done on time;

From: Derek Stonebarger <derekstonebarger@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 6:48 PM
Subject: Re: Just a note
To: Andrew Webber <its.wutt@gmail.com>


andrew be honest, you weren't going to take the money because you can't. you can't have a paypal account because you've had it revoked, they don't put up with western union crap. there are 18 files on ripoff about you you're not a nice person, i understand the scamming for money, that's humankind, but the wasting time and lying for no reason - what was that about... do you still think i'm going to say, okay well get the work done and i'll give you money or something, bro i'm not giving you money, why did you do the time wasting thing??? i already have an animator working on it. i'm showing the emails and report to the client to cover my a*s, so thanks for caring.

So Derek Stonebarger you have buried yourself by openly admitting that you will lay the blame on me. I bet Appliance Repair Experts (appliancerepairexperts.com) of Las Vegas, Nevada will be really impressed with seeing that in writing from you. So bro who is the scam artist now? I never took your money I told you I do not use Paypal from the get go. I did indeed have a paypal account but I abandoned the account as they are here on ripoff as well. Because that is what they did to me. I abandoned that account and my bank account is connected to it. I cannot open another Paypal account using the same bank account. You try to come across as an intelligent person but instead you go and ASSUME things and all it does is makes an a*s out of U and ME. 

So again Derek Stonebarger I will say I apologize for falling behind. You see I work alone. I do all of my own work from scratch. I do not use templates or infringe on the copyright of anyones work. I do it all on my own. My work is original. As I said to you in the e-mail when I contacted you on Sunday at that time the big jobs I had, had been placed on hold so I started to look for more work. But come Monday all of a sudden the projects became active and of coarse had to be done like yesterday. I kept you in the loop as soon as that happened. At no point and time did I lead you on. You never lost contact with me, I was always there to answer your e-mails. You called me last night but my phone was out of time. You see there is such thing as a pay as you go phone. That is what I have. You can call my phone and leave messages but I cannot answer or retrieve them until I load my phone with more time. There is your lesson for the day. You learned something new. But I e-mailed you immediately to let you know. Shame on me for telling the truth. Shame on me for keeping you in the loop and telling you the time frame I gave you I could not meet. Shame on me for staying in continuous contact with you. I am such a fake and phony person. You see it does not matter even when you are honest with people you are still considered a scam artist a ripoff. Tell me bro where did I scam you or rip you off?  




















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