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  • Submitted: Tue, May 29, 2012
  • Updated: Wed, April 16, 2014

  • Reported By: happi2 — Little Chute Wisconsin United States of America
Angies List
www.angieslist.com Internet United States of America

Angies List Angies List hurting business for their own profits Internet

*General Comment: Angie's List hurting businesses for their own profits.

*General Comment: I Know It"s a Bit Outdated

*Consumer Comment: This Guy Has A Point

*Consumer Comment: Not a proud member

*Consumer Comment: Robert from irvine is right

*Consumer Comment: Don't say it's not our business

*Consumer Comment: Read the first report

*Consumer Comment: I give up.

*Author of original report: constitutional attorney/ my friend

*Consumer Comment: Since you asked..

*Author of original report: What an idiot !

*General Comment: Well

*General Comment: Well

*Consumer Comment: josey

*Consumer Comment: responce

*Author of original report: Ripoff reports and arrogance of people

*Consumer Comment: Oh Boy

*Author of original report: Be careful about what you say ?

*Consumer Comment: This is almost comical.

*Consumer Comment: question

*Author of original report: If you are not from Angies list,, Its none of your business

*Consumer Comment: I'm not Angie's List

*Author of original report: Angies list rebutal returned

*Consumer Comment: Kinda funny

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A client posted an average report on our company on Angies List. Well, this client never called our company about any dissatisfaction, so we never had an opportunity to respond to the complaint.

This client filed his report 4 months after we did the work.

That seemed odd to me, Why wait 4 months later to file a report on Angies list ? Well, I have recently found out that Angies list has consumers that support them and these consumers will file average to poor reports on companies only to get the business to drive their clients to Angies list.

You see Angies list will file poor reports against companies, because then the only way the company can repair the damage to their company is by getting clients to sign up for Angies list so they can file a good report on the company. This is the ony way the company can repair the damage..

Angies list profits from poor reports against companies, because it drives consumers to sign up for their service. The company is not informed of any poor reports and is clearly violating the civil rights of businesses by not allowing companies due process against any complaints.

The better business bureau informs all companies of poor reports and the companies can respond to these reports before any reports would go public. I believe Angies list is opening themselves up for a multi million dollar lawsuit. You have to allow companies due process against any complaints.



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#1 General Comment

Angie's List hurting businesses for their own profits.

AUTHOR: sikntired - ()

I truely believe this information is correct as for I too have had many customers wait well over 4 months to leave a review. Angie's List contacts customers daily to retrieve these experiences from their customers and for someone to aviod the daily phone calls and emails from Angie's List is really hard to believe. Before coming to the ripoff report site its been hard finding Angie's List at fault from other people. There are tons of issue about them here and most of the issues posted here I have experienced hands on.

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#2 General Comment

I Know It"s a Bit Outdated

AUTHOR: SUCKA! - ()

People want to make complaints months or years later?  Why?  What drives you to think about and waste your current time in life thinking about something that happended months ago?  Do you really have nothing better to do with your current time and life than to think about something you were stupidly wrong about months or years before?

I had some chick complain about me 4 months later, after her baby was born...she somehow remembered to go and complain about me on google.  I showed her the cabin air filter in her vehicle.  it was nasty and filled with debris and mold...i pulled it out from behind her glove compartment.  I simply showed it to her and told her this is what filters in the air taken through to vents.  She declined the service adn decided to post the following review on google:

i went in for an oil change and the girl with the blonde hair told me i needed a new air filter bc mine was dirty. i was pregnant at the time and she told me it would be bad for my newborn baby to breathe in the air if i turned on the ac so i asked her to see the filter. she showed it to me and it was really dirty but she wanted $40 so i said no and that i would go to auto zone. so i went to auto zone and asked for an air filter for my car and when the guy looked at mine he showed me something completely different than what she showed me and it was clean. he told me that she lied to me and that i did not need a new air filter. she was just trying to get money out of me and obviously thought i was stupid. typical mechanic shop. i used to get all of my oil changes here but i will never go back.

first of all, i've been 8 months pregnant during the middle of summer in florida, so i know you don't mess with a woman pregnant in florida.  i never once lied to her or finagled my words.  second, i showed her a cabin air filter, and explained multiple times what i was speaking about.  third, im sure the incredilby experienced technicians working at autozone for $9/hour know the difference between an engine air filter element and a cabin air filter. Might I add, she came in only because a freind gave her a free oil change gift cert.

4TH:THIS CUSTOMER MADE THIS COMPLAINT ON GOOGLE APPROX 4 MONTHS AFTER THE FACT.  4months after you've just introduced a new child into the world, what makes you think to complain about your own ignorance between an engine air filter and a cabin air filter event that happened 4 months ago?  Why are you so adamant that you would outrightedly complain online?  At 4 months. your new child is learning how to sit up, yet youre wasting time complaining online about something that happened months ago?  How depressing is that? I feel sorry for the neglect you inflict on your loved ones.

Poiny being...Im not sure what convinces others to reprot nasty online reviews after months or years have passed...but, something must motive them.  

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#3 Consumer Comment

This Guy Has A Point

AUTHOR: JMO - (United States of America)

I think this guy has a valid point because the exact same thing has just happen to my company.  A negative review was posted on my company exactly 4 months after the date service was claimed to be performed.

After checking my customer data base to fine a matching name of the who submitted the review, I found nothing.  I did a reverse search of the address by going to (www.addresses.com) hoping to find the person listed, and I found an exact match of the name and address.  

I then placed a call to the individual and explained who I was and the company i was calling from. I further explained that the purpose of my call was to first get more detailed information regarding any service he or any family member may have received from my company, and secondly if there was a problem, to find out how we can make him a happy customer.

The customer stopped me and replied that he does not recall ever posting any review nor ever doing any business with my company.  He also stated that there would be no need to do business with my company because he does not even own a (XXXXX) which is strange because that is the only electronic my company provides sales and service. 

He then asked me what a "Angies List" was and I had to explain it to him.  After explaining it to him he asked how he could sue them for using his name and address.  I explained to him I dont know that they used his name and that it may be someone else that used his name to post the review.

I also asked him one final question. sir, do you have a son that is a Jr. or anyone that  uses your credit card that may have posted such a review? He reply no I do not have a Jr and only my wife and i use our credit cards.

The gentlemen stated he was almost 70 yrs old and that he really feel sorry for what our world is becoming.      I informed him that someone from Angies List may contact him, because i planned on filling a dispute with them. I then said thank you for your time and ended the call.

This has me very puzzled because Angies List takes great pride stating in there info commercials that there is a zero percent chance that any of there reviews are fake because each persons review is carefully vetted by a paid member credit card that matches the name and address of the reviewer.

Upon disputing this with Angies List i was informed by them then the person leaving the review was a paid member.  Before the called ended thay asked if i would like them to send me some forms for my customers to fill out to leave me some positive reviews. They also asked if I wanted to give them a list of my company contacts and that if any of my customers were members they would contact them on my behalf to see if they wanted to leave a good review on my company.

I then logged into my Angies List account profile (I am Not a member) and left a response to the negative review with just a little twist.  It was not responding to the person who left the review, instead it was to basically trying to expose Angies List.  Everything that i am posting here was in my response. 

I called back a few days later to find out the status?  Guess what....... I was told by the rep that the negative review and any response to it would be deleted by the next business day.  I asked what brough this decision on, and she replied that the customer never responded to there follow up inquiry.

Yea Right............ I am in the process of getting legal advise as i feel something seems awful strange about Angies List.
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#4 Consumer Comment

Not a proud member

AUTHOR: The Outlaw Josey Wales - (United States of America)

 Give up? Your first rebutt was one too many
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#5 Consumer Comment

Robert from irvine is right

AUTHOR: doesitmatter? - (United States of America)

The company states clearly on its home page that

A) No anonymous reviews. Certified data collection process prevents companies and providers from reporting on themselves or their competitors. Our Complaint Resolution Team will intercede if a home repair or health experience goes bad. Companies and providers respond to reports, so you get the whole story.

Regarding your rant with all the questions about your rights.......I think you need to admit that maybe you DID do something wrong because clearly youre defensive and can't accept criticism.

Can you be more SPECIFIC about what, 4 months ago, occurred that warranted a bad review with your business?

Also you say "You see Angies list will file poor reports against companies, because then the only way the company can repair the damage to their company is by getting clients to sign up for Angies list so they can file a good report on the company. This is the ony way the company can repair the damage.."

What proof do you have that AL does this? And it is an absurd claim and I think you just crafted it out of paranoia
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#6 Consumer Comment

Don't say it's not our business

AUTHOR: Css hater - (U.S.A.)

1. If something was not fixed after 4 months, then it's too late for a company to demand more time to fix the problem.  If the person has been complaining to the business for 4 months without getting anywhere, then public should know, even if the company finally tries to fix the problem to avoid bad publicity.  That's actually the problem with the BBB; they give companies too many 2nd chances, so customers can't tell which companies always treat customers right and which ones wait until there is a threat of a complaint.

2.  Consumers have the right to know if a business is bad.  The claim that if you are not Angies List, then it's not your business, is absurd.  If you are not Angies List, then it is very much your business whether or not Angies List complaints are accurate.

3. The right to "due process" is mentioned in a clause of the Constitution that applies to when GOVERNMENT is taking away life, liberty or property.  It is not about consumer criticism.  Quite the opposite, the RIGHT to criticize (and even to unfairly or inaccurately criticize, according to New York Times versus Sullivan) without due process has been upheld by the courts.
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#7 Consumer Comment

Read the first report

AUTHOR: yekoms21 - (United States of America)

Mr Know it all,   If you would have read the noticed in his first complaint against Angie's list.  All he ask for was a  to have a chance to file a rebuttal to the complaint and have a chance to resolve the problem.
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#8 Consumer Comment

I give up.

AUTHOR: Flynrider - (USA)

   If you and your learned cousel actually believe that the U.S. constitution affords you a right to post on someone's private website, all I can say is knock yourself out.   It is quite clear to most people who have read the document, that it affords rights to due process from governments. 

   Your learned counsel's interpretation runs counter to the First Amendment, which supposedly gives individuals control over what is (and is not) published on their own websites.    If your imaginary constitutional right were extended to all media, newspapers and TV stations would be required to allow you to rebut any story that was published about you.   I can assure you that this is not the case.

   I think I've wasted enough time on this one.
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#9 Author of original report

constitutional attorney/ my friend

AUTHOR: happi2 - (United States of America)

Hello all
 No, I will not be suing Angies list and you can pick me apart all you want. Your in depth study of the constitution Mr. Know it all, is limited I believe.

I have used this attorney for many years concerning business issues, real estate issues, legal consitutional issues. You simply can't intimidate me, You can pick apart my use of words or spelling, but it shows your arrogance and stop being a prick. 

I have been in business for 18 years and own a real estate holding company as well.

I have spent many thousands of dollars with attorneys over the years and yes, I have never lost, because I have hired the biggest prick attorney I can find.

$200 an hour for an attorney is nothing, last year in the legal battle I was in over an illegal taking by the government. I not only won just compensation for the inverse condemnation that happened to my property, the government also paid for my attorney fees.

$20,000 dollars in attorney fees.

As my counsel has advised me, quote, " John a corporation, web site , or individual can trample a persons individual rights as much as the government can."

My question to my counsel, Do I have a right to respond to all complaints."

Counsel, "Yes, you have the legal right to respond to any complaints that may  hurt your business reputation."

Question to counsel, "Is there any recourse to the web site over what is said on that web site and them being responsible for contact with the affected owner."

Counsel, " That's a tough question, because those legal battles are still continuing, you can see the government trying to limit Freedom of Speech on the internet, not only because of what people are saying about them, but people's reputations being ruined."

Question to counsel, " What do you see happening in the future."

Counsel, " Well..... Many more lawsuits and maybe a supreme court challenge."

             " John, it's not any different than your neighbor posting a sign in their front  yard, saying you're a rapist or some other derogatory remark out to the public.  If you're a web site that has no grievance policy in place, yes that violates your
basic right to due process.

Question to counsel, " Does due process in the constitution, apply just to criminal proceedings.

Counsel, " In most cases yes, but the courts are now applying it to corporations and other enties that use their power over others for influence."

Whether, you may believe it or not, the constitution, which I have stated over and over again is more than just a document to protect basic civil liberties in criminal proceedings.

A corporation, a web site, and an individual can violate your rights under the constitution just as much. If you believe the consitution and bill of rights apply just for the government.

You are dead wrong on that one.

Example most of the bigger banks now require a fingerprint to open an account.

Do you believe ? 

This violates your basic right under the constitution of illegal search and seizure?

Are these banks violating your basic rights under the consitution?

Or do you believe only the government can violate those rights?

They enacted 40,000 new laws at the beginning of the year,

Are those laws all legal under the consitution?

Human rights violations among corporations, especially in third world countries are evident?

Thomas Jefferson hated the banks and made a number of quotes concerning the banks growing up around us and violating those same basic rights you and I have under the constitution?

Do you believe? Amendment 4 of the consitution is being violated by these banks ?

"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, but upon probable cause."

Your insults and arrogance shows clearly,

What have I been saying this whole time concerning the consitution?

More than the government can violate those basic rights, corporations, web sites, media, banks, police, your neighbor, etc.......

That's why our country has fallen into chaos, because those basic rights by all are now never respected, but violated daily and only for profit.

Hence, My title of my first post ?

Are you differnet from Angies list ?

Are you out to rip businesses off too?

Are you self centered enough to not see the whole picture within the context of the law?

I have paid enough attorneys over the years, I'm sick of having these guys on my payroll?

No, I never had any intention of suing anybody?

I was looking for respect, something Angies list doesn't give to businesses.

Have you ever found out someone has been spreading rumors behind your back and then nobody wants anything to do with you anymore? It's childish !

If you would have known before hand, you can could solved the problem.

Because, Angies list has 2 million clients, that means they have the right violate anyones rights, intimidate anyone they want, and violate any persons personal consitutional right to Freedom of speech !

That is my personal right to have the freedom to respond in rebuttal concerning an issue?

Where was that right given to me?

I was never given the opportunity to exercise that right to respond?

I do have that right? Do you agree?

Same right you have to say anything you want concerning your opinion?

Another question?

Many web sites , which makes sense?

They have limits on your freedom of speech, you can't use profanity, and other things they lay out in their list of rules.

Isn't Freedom of Speech being violated here?

Doesn't Freedom of Speech mean you can say anything you want?

No, If you use your Freedom of Speech to incite a riot, you can and will be arrested?

Freedom of Speech is limited ? But, not limited to the scope of not allowing due process for an individual or business to respond to all complaints.

If Angies list would have informed me of the complaint. If I was on their list? 

Then they knew where to find me. I never signed up for Angies list?

By the way, I type very fast and don't proof read everything I write, I'm a busy man.

I own two businesses and I have many clients that I serve.

That's personally serve, I meet them in person, not on a web site or phone.

I would Love to meet some of these people that have made comments on this subject.

Then I can look in their eyes and see their heart, mind, and soul. It's easy to insult over the internet or phone. But, I would rather do it to your face, before you see the real truth.

Always, making judgements without having all the facts, Our country is truly toast !
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#10 Consumer Comment

Since you asked..

AUTHOR: Robert - (U.S.A.)

Don't call them stupid, help them become smarter, Don't snicker at the fallen, but lift them up.
- Okay here you go.....

I could sight the cases that have went to court and these companies have won.
The list is too long to post here, so I won't bother with any more legalities.

- First of all to help you in the future when you want to reference a case you use the word cite not sight.   Also, if the list is too long to put down, then it is acceptable(and often preferred) to just post one or two items.

I may not be perfect on the law, But I have the U.S. Constitution posted in my office and the Bill of rights.

- Again to help you become smarter, I suggest you actually take it off of the wall and read it.  You may even want to pick up a few text books to help you in the interpenetration of them.

Angies list has a long list of consumer complaints, including 113 complaints to the  better business bureau and if you google Angies list complaints
- Let's see 113 for around 2 Million Subscribers.  To help you become smarter in math and business that is only about 0.0002%.  Most businesses would be ecstatic with a ratio like this.

This site seems to be for people who have a mean streak and no respect for their fellow man.
- To help you become smarter with this site.  If you actually are around here for a while you will see that for LEGITIMATE complaints most posters try to be very helpful to the original poster.  But they will also be the first to attempt to correct or help clarify cases where the original poster is obviously mistaken or needs to be shown how to avoid issues in the future.  Then of course there are the posts that are just so out there that they bring a nice humor break to people's day.  Personally I am still not sure if yours falls under the obviously mistaken or humor category yet, although it is definitely leaning in one direction.

By the way if you do want to help us become smarter, how about telling us exactly what your lawyer said when they advised you.  Are you going to sue Angies List?  If so please come back and post the Court Docket information so that all of us can follow it and continue to learn.
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#11 Author of original report

What an idiot !

AUTHOR: happi2 - (United States of America)

Your an idiot, stop blabbering about stuff, Mr. know it all, Lawsuits are filed all the time over these issues and though I may have made some mistakes. Your mistakes are clearly evident in the way you go about making yourself out to be an idiot.

There is a simple process of conversation that should be taken. Not insulting or insinuating, but it's called Love, my friend, something you have none of it seems in your heart.

If you are an attorney or have simple legal knowledge, then produce the evidence of your qualifications. This site seems to be for people who have a mean streak and no respect for their fellow man. No wonder America is falling apart because of people like yourself.

You seem to not have enough guts to stand up for what is right in this world.

WOW ! you make a mistake and you are crucified for it on this site.

Seems to me that is socialist in itself.  You can hurt your fellow man and not call it criminal. Hmmm !

Your heart shows your lack of knowledge with the very being that died for your existence.

If you are so smart ! You know it all, then lets rock and roll my friend.

Where should we go from here, to the very knowledge of the cross ?

Your heart, your mind, your sanity, your pain that you feel every day as you walk and see the world around you disintegrating into chaos. Because of the gutless souls that have given themselves up to pride and greed. Will you help that homeless man you
just walked by or chastise him for being homeless too. Don't hammer people, help them !

Don't call them stupid, help them become smarter, Don't snicker at the fallen, but lift them up.

Tell your wife you Love her ! Hug your kids ! Get down upon your knees and the very God that saved your pathetic life, and ask for true forgiveness for your failures throughout the seemly wicked existence of your life. True Love is given at the cross ! This whole debate has brought us to this point, Your knowledge of the consitution is a good thing, too bad you don't put it into practice, STAND UP ! SPEAK OUT ! Because your existence is temporary and your knowledge is fleeting. For the dead know nothing ! See if you can find where that one is written, Mr. know it all !

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#12 General Comment

Well

AUTHOR: Chad - (USA)

First things first. You have a crap understanding of the Constitution and the concept of rights in general. The Constitution as a document limits the power of the federal or (and thanks to the 14th Amendment) the state governments to act upon individuals. For the most part, it does NOT regulate or otherwise impact day-to-day interactions between individuals and/or businesses. The only real exception to that are the portions that cover discrimination based on race, sex, et cetera.

Due process doesn't mean what you seem to think it means. It only means you can't be arrested or have your property seized without certain steps being followed. The First Amendment doesn't confer special powers to you in regards to someone else's private property (including websites). They're free to post what they want, and if they choose not to give you access there's not a single, blessed thing you can do about it, anymore than you could stop them talking privately in a room.

Also, no, the site is NOT responsible for advising the business of a complaint. There's nothing socialist about it. It isn't the government doing it, it is individuals expressing their opinions. Your way, having laws or regulations that enforce open access to private property, is socialist.

In short, you should either stop talking or just say "derp derp derp" instead of real words until you can get yourself both a dictionary and a high school civics education. You're embarassing yourself.







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#13 General Comment

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AUTHOR: Chad - (USA)

First things first. You have a crap understanding of the Constitution and the concept of rights in general. The Constitution as a document limits the power of the federal or (and thanks to the 14th Amendment) the state governments to act upon individuals. For the most part, it does NOT regulate or otherwise impact day-to-day interactions between individuals and/or businesses. The only real exception to that are the portions that cover discrimination based on race, sex, et cetera.

Due process doesn't mean what you seem to think it means. It only means you can't be arrested or have your property seized without certain steps being followed. The First Amendment doesn't confer special powers to you in regards to someone else's private property (including websites). They're free to post what they want, and if they choose not to give you access there's not a single, blessed thing you can do about it, anymore than you could stop them talking privately in a room.

Also, no, the site is NOT responsible for advising the business of a complaint. There's nothing socialist about it. It isn't the government doing it, it is individuals expressing their opinions. Your way, having laws or regulations that enforce open access to private property, is socialist.

In short, you should either stop talking or just say "derp derp derp" instead of real words until you can get yourself both a dictionary and a high school civics education. You're embarassing yourself.















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#14 Consumer Comment

josey

AUTHOR: KIM - (U.S.A.)

no need

love ya
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#15 Consumer Comment

responce

AUTHOR: KIM - (U.S.A.)

Went to angies list they have a tag for business owners that says it is free to join had you looked into this.

You seem to have been on the list to see your situation, i will guess it is a friend, can you use their account to rebut the report.  
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#16 Author of original report

Ripoff reports and arrogance of people

AUTHOR: happi2 - (United States of America)

What I found on this site may be clear. I don't claim to have all the answers.

But, one thing is clear for sure, the arrogance of people that respond to people that file reports on ripoff report is pretty clear. Arrogance over a issue a business or individual may have and report on the ripoff report is not to be laughed at or mocked. Ripoff report loses all integrity when these type of bullying tactics are used by people responding to complaints. I would only hope that ripoff report would hold these people accountable for what is said and implied in all rebuttals.

Angies list has a long list of consumer complaints, including 113 complaints to the  better business bureau and if you google Angies list complaints. A whole list of complaints have been filed through various websites. Im not the only one that
has been hurt by Angies list. Many have been hurt by Angies list, including shady business practices of not returning peoples money and not canceling their accounts, as well as charging their accounts for services not rendered. All these facts, are clearly online and accessible to the public. Instead, of hammering me as a business hurt by Angies list, they should be talking to Angies list themselves. To say the web site is not responsible for what people say on the web site. I think is a cheap tactic to hide behind some obscure law that may be unconstitutional. A court of law gives both parties a chance for rebuttal. Then why does that due process not apply in the real world ?

Sounds like the law is one way sometimes and the law is another way other times. If a report is filed against a business, I believe it's the responsibility of the web site to inform the business of the complaint, so they can exercise their right to respond. This is where the web site may eventually get into deep problems as these legal challenges go forward. Anyone has
a right to say what they want about an individual or company.

But, Where are the rights of the company being violated now ? Or does a business have no rights ?

I guess in technical terms, maybe not ? But, the company is made up of individuals, people that have rights and are affected by those complaints. Isn't the web site personally responsible for contact to that business and isn't the web site responsible for informing the business of the complaint. Afterall, people have the right complain, and web sites are clearly not responsible for what people say on their site. But, the legal question may be is the web site responsible for informing the business of the complaint ? If not, then have we bypassed certain rights the owner of the business has by not allowing them their right to Free speech concerning the business owners rebuttal of any complaints. Are we saying the same thing that many socialists have said to their people in the past. Socialists would convict you of a crime with no opportunity for defense. The NDAA recently passed in America has the same claim to not allowing defense in ones own situation. The many clients that report on these web sites is not a easy out for these web sites to claim we have too many people that go to our web site to keep everyone accountable. I believe that may be the next legal challenge, because that claim is an excuse to accuse someone of something that may not be correct, false, or they may never knew it was on the web site until many years later. The internet is not a purpose to violate a persons right to defend themselves. That right is clear in the constitution. Web sites should be liable for the responsiblity of allowing people to defend themselves as ripoff report does here. But, if a claim is made against a business on ripoff report, then the challenge legally may be.

Is ripoff report legally responsible for informing the business of the complaint ?

If ripoff report is not responsible, then America is clearly dead ? You can't have the law both ways ?

Unless, you live in a socialist country !
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#17 Consumer Comment

Oh Boy

AUTHOR: The Outlaw Josey Wales - (United States of America)

 I had to look high and low, but I found Team Rebutt at it again. Hi Kimmie, why don't you call the person a name, that always solve the problem. NOT
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#18 Author of original report

Be careful about what you say ?

AUTHOR: happi2 - (United States of America)

Be very careful about what you say ? Mr. Know it all, Please stop posting about an issue you know nothing about.

I could sight the cases that have went to court and these companies have won.

The list is too long to post here, so I won't bother with any more legalities.

Because apparently your arrogance and narcistic attitude show throughout your reporting. If I spelled a word wrong, it doesn't mean I don't know how to spell, I may just be very bad at typing.

Your insults towards me and my company shows your arrogance.

I may not be perfect on the law, But I have the U.S. Constitution posted in my office and the Bill of rights. I can clearly see your misinterpretation has been misguided as I have read through both of these documents many times.

You must be an advocate for Angies list and your harrassment is unjustified.

Narcistic attitude disorder is common and your must win at all costs has clearly shown that attitude. Your insults towards me and finding fault with me is not a way to resolve any issue. Mr. "know it all", if you clearly would want to help solve an issue, you would look to be helpful and not hurtful in any way.

Laughing at me or insulting me shows your misguided intelligence.

A professional attitude would wish to be helpful and would try to resolve an issue through thoughtful conversation. I will defend my turf against bullies like yourself and bullies like Angies list. One lady posted a comment concerning my issue here and it showed her inteligence and helpfulness towards this issue.

You, "Mr. know it all" have shown nothing but arrogance and disrespect towards me and the issue at hand. I will no longer waste my time discussing this issue with you "Mr. know it all," because you "know it all" and are not helpful in any way.

Your narcism shows clearly, I ask this Mr. "know it all", Do you beat your wife too ?

It's not your interpretation of the constitution that matters. It's the courts ? Case solved ! 

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#19 Consumer Comment

This is almost comical.

AUTHOR: Flynrider - (USA)

   Now I'm sure you didn't consult a lawyer as you implied.    Your grasp of what "civil rights" are is woefully lacking and it's clear to me that you haven't actually read and understood the constitution.  It appears that I was right on the money when I recommended a return to civics class.

"  Freedom of Speach, the courts have ruled does not mean the Freedom to trash a business or individual, without allowing the opportunity for the individual or business the opportunity to respond.

  First of all, it's spelled "speech".  Second, who do you think you're kidding?   What court has made such a ruling?  It seems very specific and if it were true, you wouldn't have been able to make your post against Angie's List on this site (as I point out for the third time).

   I'll make this short.   Go back and read the Bill of Rights.   Find the part about "due process" and see if you can determine who is required to provide you "due process".    I'll give you a head start.  Check out amendments 5 and 14.  Unless Angie's List was recently declared to be a state or part of the government, you're barking up the wrong legal tree.

   In a nutshell, you have no constitutional right to post a reply on anyone's private website.   If you think someone has lied about you on a website and caused you economic harm, you could sue them (the person who actually made the comment)  for libel, but that has nothing to do with constitutional law or civil rights.   What Angie's List chooses to post (or not to post) on their website IS constituionally protected.

" My brother taught me nuch about consitutional law, and the rights of individuals "

   Obviously not enough.  I think it's sad when people come on this site waving the flag of civil rights and the constitution without having an understanding of what they really are.


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#20 Consumer Comment

question

AUTHOR: KIM - (U.S.A.)

Can you maybe tell who the customer was by the review and contact them your self.

That way you may correct the problem and they could reply to their review.

A fair review would not keep me from using your company unless that was the highest one.
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#21 Author of original report

If you are not from Angies list,, Its none of your business

AUTHOR: happi2 - (United States of America)

It seems to me your arrogant attitude is clear. If you are not from Angies list.

Then this issue has nothing to do with you at all.

I did contact Angies list and they never responded to my complaint or tried to address the issue. Concerning constitutional law, the courts have clearly addressed this issue in the past. Freedom of Speach, the courts have ruled does not mean the Freedom to trash a business or individual, without allowing the opportunity for the individual or business the opportunity to respond.

My brother taught me nuch about consitutional law, and the rights of individuals

The rights of one individual cannot supercede the rights of another individual.

Those rights are protected under the U.S. Constitution. Thats why we are closer to a socialist state in this country, than a consitutional republic.

Our freedom of speach and our rights to due process are afforded to every individual under the constituion. My rights to respond to a client concerning a complaint, is the same right the client has when they file the complaint.

You cannot go around trashing people, without giving them the opportunity and the giving them the same due process of law to respond and speak under the U.S. Constitution. Law suits have been filed over this issue many times. Including the lawsuit one lady filed against Angies list when the client for filed a F report against their company. The business and the individual owner are afforded the same rights as you and any other American has under our consitutional republic. Due process of law is clear under the constitution and the rights of every individual is equal under the law. You seem to be an arrogant type.

A Mr. know it all type ! I will debate you all day concerning my rights under the constitution and the rights that were violated by not allowing me to respond in a timely manner to resolve the issue. I have the right to speak and respond, before
any poor rating should be published. Now, if I waive those rights by not responding to the complaint. I waive my right to due process and my right to speak on my companies behalf. I never waived those rights, but those rights were not afforded
to me by Angies list. So, Mr. know it all, lets go to civics class, I will debate you all day.

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#22 Consumer Comment

I'm not Angie's List

AUTHOR: Flynrider - (USA)

  You seem to be addressing me as though I was.   I am not associated with the company.

"  For you to insinuate I may be uneducated about law, Try me ! "

  In case you didn't notice, I already did.   Please quote the source of a civil right that allows you any say in what is posted on a private website.    If you really got that from a lawyer, he/she should be ashamed of him/herself.

   I do know of a civil right that allows Angie's List to determine the content that appears on their website.   Can you guess what it is?   It's one of the ***first*** civil rights.

   While there is a civil right that involves due process, it has nothing to do with your issue.  Back to civics class for you.  

   I also posted an example for you.   Was Angie's List allowed to address your complaint on this website before it was posted???
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#23 Author of original report

Angies list rebutal returned

AUTHOR: happi2 - (United States of America)

I have already discussed this with my attorney and he has already has advised me.Concerning due process of law. Your simple attitude towards this disagreement shows
your disregard for businesses for your own profit. I was only asking for a simple opportunity
to resolve this matter with the client. You never gave me the opportunity to resolve
the matter with the client. For you to insinuate I may be uneducated about law, Try me !
I'm not here to argue or hurt anyone's feelings, but to have respect shown to a quality
service company that has been trashed without the opportunity to resolve the matter.

That in itself, could be grounds for legal action against anyone that may hurt a business
for profit. The better business bureau will contact anyone that a complaint has been filed
against, to help the business resolve the matter. I was only asking for the same respect from Angies list, thats all. I could have been your best client , instead of your worse enemy.

Your rebuttal clearly shows your arrogance in this matter. The sitauation could have been
resolved easily with the client and none of this would have happened.  

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#24 Consumer Comment

Kinda funny

AUTHOR: Flynrider - (USA)

  Your conspiracy theory is so full of holes, I'll not waste time with it.   Suffice it to say that you could strain spaghetti with it.

  On to the humorous bits.

"  This client filed his report 4 months after we did the work. That seemed odd to me, Why wait 4 months later to file a report on Angies list ? "

  Are you kidding?   Are you aware that some people on this site open new complaints about stuff that happened over 10 years ago?

   You're talking about a client that posted an "average report".  If they were really pissed they wouldn't have put it off for so long.     I think you're being a bit over sensitive about an "average report".

" The company is not informed of any poor reports and is clearly violating the civil rights of businesses by not allowing companies due process against any complaints. "

  Civil rights are very easy to quote.   Can you tell me what source you have for this "civil right" you speak of?

"  I believe Angies list is opening themselves up for a multi million dollar lawsuit. You have to allow companies due process against any complaints. "

  Oh really?   Do us all a favor and go pay a lawyer $200 to sit you down and explain civil rights to you.  Had you paid attention in school, you would not have to foot the bill now.

  By the way, did you notice that this site did not give Angie's List an opportunity to exercise this "due process" before posting your report?    According to you, someone should be suing right?  Doh!
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