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  • Submitted: Wed, December 08, 2010
  • Updated: Thu, February 03, 2011

  • Reported By: terri — Fontana California United States of America
Arco
7325 Sierra Ave Fontana, California United States of America

Arco Arco Am/Pm 81893 gas pump fraud Fontana, California

*Consumer Comment: weights and measures

*Consumer Comment: Above, sideways, backwards, upside down..

*Consumer Comment: Wizard of Wrong.

*Consumer Comment: Ads answer..

*General Comment: Question regarding ads...

*Consumer Comment: Might as well consider this..

*Consumer Comment: Okay Rozbert...

*Consumer Comment: Liar liar, pants on fire.

*Consumer Comment: How?

*Consumer Comment: You're kidding right?

*Consumer Comment: finally

*Consumer Comment: Of course "nothing else needs to be said"..

*Consumer Comment: And that is your problem...

*General Comment: Well...

*Consumer Comment: Comprehension indeed?..

*Consumer Comment: Reading Comprehension

*Consumer Comment: once again, once again...

*General Comment: CDFA...

*Consumer Comment: Once again..

*Consumer Comment: What is the total capacity with reserve?

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I've owned my van since 2006. In all that time I've never had the pump go over 18 gal. Today I filled up before the colored part of E which means on my car that I had about 3 gals. left.


After filling up I notice that the pump reads 18.533 gals pumped. This is so obviously wrong and I wonder if all their gauges are rigged.


Who is the offical agency to report this to? How can I prove they have rigged the pumps?


This report was posted on Ripoff Report on 12/08/2010 12:51 PM and is a permanent record located here: http://www.ripoffreport.com/r/Arco/Fontana-California-92336/Arco-Arco-AmPm-81893-gas-pump-fraud-Fontana-California-669436. The posting time indicated is Arizona local time. Arizona does not observe daylight savings so the post time may be Mountain or Pacific depending on the time of year.

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#1 Consumer Comment

weights and measures

AUTHOR: Anon - (USA)

by law, there is a phone number on each dispenser for your states weights and measures dept.. that's who ya call.

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#2 Consumer Comment

Above, sideways, backwards, upside down..

AUTHOR: Ronny g - (USA)

...look at the ads you Neanderthal..'selling your gold", "car title loans"...it goes on and on...

You want to discredit me..fine,,,I don't give a flying f**k because I wear a suit of armor against d****e bags like you..but what about those that lodge complaints here thinking this site is legit and sees those ads????.....do you really have THAT little sense of morality or integrity???  ROZbert??? You who get ripped off by eBay and bestbuy think it is okay for THIS website to "trust and verify" these f**king scammers?

God bless you...that is all I can really say. I hope your holidays are not filled with coal and onions.


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#3 Consumer Comment

Wizard of Wrong.

AUTHOR: Robert - (USA)

So when this website is stating, not "implying" mind you..but stating "Advertisers above have met our strict standards for business conduct.", and ROR logos stating verified and trusted, there is concern.


Do you know what the word "ABOVE" means Rozzy?  That BSEE degree certainly isn't working for you, is it?


The ad in question WAS NOT ABOVE the "Advertisers above have met..." statement!  No matter how many times you repeat this Rozzy, it's not gonna make you right.


But then, your reading comprehension shortcomings are LEGEND on ROR.

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#4 Consumer Comment

Ads answer..

AUTHOR: Ronny g - (USA)

My concern is only this.

We read so many reports about the very ads that are appearing all along the right side, or very similar in nature and intent. So when this website is stating, not "implying" mind you..but stating "Advertisers above have met our strict standards for business conduct.", and ROR logos stating verified and trusted, there is concern. If someone "trusts" this website..then they will most likely trust the ads this site is stating are trusted..and then of course will be ripped off.

The ads range from Quibids, to selling gold, to Oxy fresh, to title lenders, to "free" credit reports etc..well need I say more?

I certainly can not answer the question...as how would I know if this is a service or google ads? What I notice is the fact that this site is not only endorsing these ads, but clearly stating they are "ROR trusted and verified"..and meet the ROR strict standards for business conduct.

If I held such "strict standards" in my business conduct, I would probably end up in prison.

I know I can have the ads blocked, but it is not myself I am concerned with. I would never give any account info to any of the ads..but others as we typically find lodging reports here, are easily misled..aka "ripped off".



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#5 General Comment

Question regarding ads...

AUTHOR: Edgeman - (U.S.A.)

I use an ad blocker so I do not see any ads on this website. My question is for those who do see the ads.

Was the ad in question placed by ROR or was it through a service such as Google Ad Sense?

If the latter, then ROR doesn't have that much control over the ads that Google places. You can block certain ads from being placed but you can't possibly predict every single ad that Google might display on your site. The best that you can do is request that an inappropriate ad be blocked from your site.

 
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#6 Consumer Comment

Might as well consider this..

AUTHOR: Ronny g - (USA)

...since it seems I am under attack, as usual..and am seemingly some kind of fraud and liar according to a few losers (well other then the bank ripoffs which have been concluded in my favor),..I guess in the worst case...I am discredited by them.

So...do not bother to check the gas gauge or the vehicles fuel capacity...but let us just post links from google on where to find an "official" agency to report this to.

As far as how to prove they rigged the pumps..let the Roberts and Edgmans leave that vital info...they seem to be the experts on "pumping" and anything I suggested is apparently a fraud.

You can try your states Agriculture Department, and direct your comments to the commissioner. But I still advise to make sure this is not a faulty gauge in your vehicle or it will be a giant waste of time. Yes...Me..Ronny G... the liar and fraud, is suggesting this. What kind of evil fraudulent intent do I have by leaving such advice? I guess because I have reported and exposed other UNRELATED scams...that this must conclude any advice I leave is fraudulent and that I am a liar.

Or, what has ROZbert from Buffalo left as advice that will help you??...or help the business if this report is wrong? I hear nothing but crickets.

The sad part is actually, that I do care...but my replies and posts are attacked and SABOTAGED, by a VERY small handful of victim kicking losers. And what is MORE sad..is NO ONE cares...so if I tell them to F*** off...or to CHOKE on d***...it means nothing but a few giggles I get from posting it. It really seems APPARENT, that no one cares..and that this website is also a scam..or at least has turned into one.

This may explain why Karl continues to operate unfettered regardless of how many complaints I have written to the editor. And the fact that ANY public complaints I have posted against Karl to the editor...have somehow...not been posted. I have tried...and they simply DO NOT get posted. But links to quibids and work at home mom scams...are "verified" and "ripoff report safe".

Ripoff report can choke on a c*** too..unless they get their act together...this site is becoming a COMPLETE FRAUD.
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#7 Consumer Comment

Okay Rozbert...

AUTHOR: Ronny g - (USA)

So now you are going to SPAM this link to discredit me...

Fine...I really do not care...nor does anyone else it seems...

But why not if you are going to now SPAM this link...address the ISSUE...you know...what I actually meant to state in the report....which is CERTAINLY NOT a lie...

Do you not believe..that THIS very website...is NOW advertising SCAM sites...such as the one posted in the report...or the one that links to "Quibids" or anything else you notice when you are on this site recently and look over to the right?

Nah...lets not even consider any of that. You are an OLD FAT loser. And bitter as well. SUCK a d**k....no...I take that back...CHOKE on a big fat d**k If you have not already.

LMFAO !!!!!!!!!!!

Does ANYONE CARE?????  d**k. a*s. f**k ...c**k....Edgeman??? ROZZZZZZZZZZZZZBERT?????

Karl?

Nope...I guess it is concluded (unless Robert from Irvine decides to chime in)..NO ONE GIVES A f**k...so..why not swallow a d**k somewhere else?
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#8 Consumer Comment

Liar liar, pants on fire.

AUTHOR: Robert - (USA)

Report: #665769  This is proof of this liar's never ending nonsense.

I'm rather surprised that a link to a ROR was redacted, but so be it.

http://www.ripoffreport.com/internet-fraud/unknown/unknown-i-am-a-giant-sucker-f3568.htm

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#9 Consumer Comment

How?

AUTHOR: Robert - (USA)

How does one debate anything with a liar?

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One does NOT debate with a child.  One instructs, corrects and guides a child.

 

CLICK here to see why Rip-off Report, as a matter of policy, deleted either a phone number, link or e-mail address from this Report.
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#10 Consumer Comment

You're kidding right?

AUTHOR: Dropkick Murphy - (USA)

This has to be one of the dumbest reports in the history of reports. A half gallon...really?? Your fill neck could hold a half gallon. The fuel gauge on a vehicle is probably one of the most inaccurate instruments of measurement on the planet. If you walk into some federal agency with "My gauge was on the colored part of E, so I had ABOUT 3 gals. left" they're going to reserve you a room at the drooling academy. Do Not pursue this any further, you'll be a laughing stock.
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#11 Consumer Comment

finally

AUTHOR: Robert - (U.S.A.)

I could have easily "googled" where to report a rigged gas pump and posted it here also

- Yes you COULD have and if you truly are here to help people that would have been the appropriate thing to do.  But you DID NOT do that did you?   Once again this MIS-INFORMATION does not help anyone.

Then of course when people agree with you on one point..you still have to go after that one point trying to make it into some "debate".  This is a perfect example, it was stated and restated that the OP may be wrong.  Yet you devote quite a bit of your last update trying to explain that the OP may be wrong.  Again not in debate so why are you trying to explain something that does not need to be explained.  But you don't stop there, you then use the last part of the update to talk about you and your girlfriend. 

Anyways people can always read of the posts and make up their own mind.

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#12 Consumer Comment

Of course "nothing else needs to be said"..

AUTHOR: Ronny g - (USA)

..if that statement is coming from the person who wants the last word, but not listen to the opponent in a debate.

I could have easily "googled" where to report a rigged gas pump and posted it here also..but I would have liked to have known if this report is even possible. As well, it is not like the "FTC" is just some random thing I picked out of a hat..surely a report there would be one of many places to report an incident such as is being alleged here.

Read the last line of the report...."How can I prove they have rigged the pumps?"

Well I would think it better and easier to first prove if there is a chance of the OP making a mistake, or a defective fuel gauge..they do go bad and stick..not uncommon.

However, what is the issue if I simply ask the make and model of the vehicle so it can be concluded whether or not is is even POSSIBLE. If the vehicles tank can hold the 18.5 gallons the meter reads it pumped, plus another 3 has the OP states was left...then it certainly does not has the OP states prove this is so "obviously wrong". 

If there is a chance this report has merit, then my suggestion to report to the FTC, as well as where ever anyone else told the OP to report, and what I may have added if the OP ever responded...would have been acceptable.

But this is a PRIME example of where a few certain really show their true colors...that they really have no concern on some reports of the OP or the business under attack..but simply trying to personally insult and attack me. I should be used to it by now..but I guess if I choose to respond to any reports here, I need to accept the fact that a good portion of my time..will be used to defend myself personally, instead of focusing on solutions for the posters, or the accused.

It is almost a joke really. I guess that is one of the reasons my girlfriend thinks it is pathetic that I post on here at all. But she wastes her time on facebook, I come here, so I take the good with the bad just like I imagine she does on facebook. At least here there is a chance of doing some good, as much as it is sabotaged.




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#13 Consumer Comment

And that is your problem...

AUTHOR: Robert - (U.S.A.)

I do not really think it matters WHERE it is suggested that a CONSUMER reports where they have been a victim of a scam or unfair TRADE

- Ronny

If you truly believe you can just throw out random agencies, then that just shows how naive you actually are.  Nothing else needs to be said. 

 

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#14 General Comment

Well...

AUTHOR: Edgeman - (U.S.A.)

Ronny wrote:

"I do not really think it matters WHERE it is suggested that a CONSUMER reports where they have been a victim of a scam or unfair TRADE"

It is kind of retarded to suggest that they go to the FTC.
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#15 Consumer Comment

Comprehension indeed?..

AUTHOR: Ronny g - (USA)

This is what I was addressing..and I quote from YOU...

"Once again good ole Ronny leaves wonderful and totally accurate suggestions.   He really should have stopped at the capacity of the gas tank in question.  Because with a comment from the OP that states they had "about 3 gals." is probably a bigger chance of the OP being incorrect rather than the Gas Pump."

I agree with this.

Now if your "only" problem with me was that I suggested..and I quote from my original reply..."If on the other hand, your vehicle never was available from the manufacturer with a 21-22 gallon tank "with reserve", I would start with the FTC to report this."..

Then perhaps it would have some merit.

I do not really think it matters WHERE it is suggested that a CONSUMER reports where they have been a victim of a scam or unfair TRADE, if it is not at the very least concluded..that the scam was even... POSSIBLE.

Do you STILL have a problem understanding where I am coming from Robert???..or should I learn to type slower so maybe you can read between the lines??

I am actually trying not to come down too hard on the OP..because if I do...surely I will "once again", be subjected to the same criticism and accusations of hypocrisy as usual...but if you are going to push me to do this because either you are really too dumb to understand..or, you are playing some kind of head game to get me to do so..just say the word..and I will S-P-E-L-L it out a little more slowly so maybe even you can "comprehend" it.

I guess at this point in this Godforsaken website..it does not matter if I decide to put on zero gravity shoes..I am going to be breaking eggshells regardless..so I might as well play along if so provoked. Just say the word..





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#16 Consumer Comment

Reading Comprehension

AUTHOR: Robert - (U.S.A.)

I guess Reading Comprehension really wasn't a strong point of yours was it Ronny.  Or is it a case where you just have to take the "poor me" approach trying to twist an agreement into a disagreement. 

Because what you posted basically just restated the only point I actually agreed with you.  I even stated you should have stopped at posting about the tank size.  I also stated that the chances of the OP being incorrect is pretty good.  But if the OP wants to report there is nothing that anyone can do to stop it, but it would save them a lot of time if they actually did verify the error was not with them first.

But when you are going to post a suggestion as to what agency to contact, you need to make sure you post the correct one.  Because reporting to the wrong one is really just a waist of time.   Sure the OP could report it to the FTC, but they are not going to take immediate action to investigate it.  How many reports do we here that just says the FTC responded saying that they will keep the report on file.

That is why I posted the actual agency that would have the control and authority to investigate the complaint.  As for the CDFA that Edgeman posted, they actually over see compliance and work with the agencies at the County level so they would also be a good agency to post a complaint to as well.

 

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#17 Consumer Comment

once again, once again...

AUTHOR: Ronny g - (USA)

"Once again" Robert from Irvine is trying to discredit be based on nonsense.

 As I stated, the capacity with the reserve needs to be known,..we already know from the post that the pump states it took 18.533 gallons. The poster states the pump is "obviously" rigged since he states the gauge (which could be wrong as well) shows about 3 gallons left.

So the only way to even conclude if it is POSSIBLE, is to know the total capacity of the tank with reserve.  As why report this to any agency at all if the customer or the gauge in the vehicle may be wrong?




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#18 General Comment

CDFA...

AUTHOR: Edgeman - (U.S.A.)

If you truly believe that this station is tampering with the pumps, then get in touch with this office:

http://www.cdfa.ca.gov/dms/

In case the mods redact the link, just go to your preferred search engine and type "california weights measures".

I don't see anything in this report to make me think that the station is doing anything wrong but I obviously wasn't there. That is the agency that enforces California's regulations on measures.
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#19 Consumer Comment

Once again..

AUTHOR: Robert - (U.S.A.)

Once again good ole Ronny leaves wonderful and totally accurate suggestions.   He really should have stopped at the capacity of the gas tank in question.  Because with a comment from the OP that states they had "about 3 gals." is probably a bigger chance of the OP being incorrect rather than the Gas Pump.

Anyways, I guess Gas Pumps in North Hollywood are certified by the FTC, but in the rest of the State they are certified by the Counties.  So if the OP still wants to file a complaint they need to file a complaint with San Bernardino County, which in case anyone was unaware is where Fontana is located. 

Amazingly enough if Ronny would have actually done just a bit of research, yes I know unless it has to do with auction sites, PayPal, or Best Buy Ronny could care less.  He would have found that the County of San Bernardino has a form you can complete with your complaint.  You can go to the following

www.sbcounty.gov/awm/questionsandforms/

Then just click on the form for Weights and Measures Complaints.

If by chance the link gets redacted just put enter the following without the spaces

www . sbcounty . gov / avm / questionsandforms /

Now when you "report" it, it is unlikey that you will know the outcome.  They will probably send someone to investigate.  If it is accurate then that is that.  If it is inaccurate it would be up to the County what action they want to take.  But at the very least they would take the pump "off-line" until it is repaired.

And Ronny wonders why people "go after" him.

Oh and before Ronny goes all crazy.  I wrote a lot of this "sarcastically".  After all according to him and his writing about unknown companies, you get a free pass as long as it is done sarcastically?

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#20 Consumer Comment

What is the total capacity with reserve?

AUTHOR: Ronny g - (USA)

You must document this in order to have a legitimate report. What is the make and model of the vehicle?

If the total capacity including reserve is 21-22 gallons or thereabouts, it will be hard to prove any pump rigging.

If on the other hand, your vehicle never was available from the manufacturer with a 21-22 gallon tank "with reserve", I would start with the FTC to report this.
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