• Report: #128005

Complaint Review: Auctions For Income, Success Team, PMI, IDI Links 4 Trade, NMR Coaching, Internet Development Inc.

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  • Submitted: Wed, January 19, 2005
  • Updated: Fri, December 02, 2005

  • Reported By:Lagrange Indiana
Auctions For Income, Success Team, PMI, IDI Links 4 Trade, NMR Coaching, Internet Development Inc.
5521 Shaefer Av Chino, California U.S.A.

Auctions For Income, Success Team, PMI, IDI Links 4 Trade, NMR Coaching, Internet Development ripoff lied false claims solicitation to evade taxes hidden costs pathetic business schemes Chino California
*UPDATE ..Rip-off Report Investigation - PMI - Rip-off Report gives PMI a positive rating after Professional Marketing International declared its goal to achieve total customer satisfaction & excellent customer service - PMI claimed & continues to demonstrate its sincere desire to clear up any unresolved matters & safeguard against similar issues in the future. We discovered many complaints filed against PMI were meant for another company with a similar name.

*Consumer Comment: NEVER STOP TRYING TO GET YOUR MONEY BACK

*Consumer Comment: I was ripped off by IDI and I need to follow same advise you received

*Consumer Comment: Add me to the List of Ripped Off People by this Company

*Consumer Comment: Auctions for Income, idiglobal.com, Internet Development, Links 4 trade, NMR coaching - trapped

*Consumer Suggestion: help. I feel trapped.

*Consumer Comment: Links 4 Trade = IDI = idiglobal.com + Auctions for Income Cease & Disist order in Illinois

*Consumer Comment: Links 4 Trade = IDI = idiglobal.com + Auctions for Income Cease & Disist order in Illinois

*Consumer Comment: Links 4 Trade = IDI = idiglobal.com + Auctions for Income Cease & Disist order in Illinois

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We purchased the Auctions for Income package that, as we found out later, was really general. My wife and I, already having been Ebayers for awhile, really didn'l learn all that much. We were interested in getting some help with drop shipping arrangements and called the "Success Team" by accident.

We were then solicited by them to put money down to be "on the fast track" toward success so that we could be on one of their infomercials. Having a family of my own I was interested in supplementing my income with a small business, so I obliged.

This is where it started. We were led to believe that we would be on the fast track to success with coaching sessions and all sorts of help to get going quickly. We were told we could do it all ourselves and spend years through trial and error getting a business going, or we could buy into their Success Team program and BEGIN MAKING OUR MONEY BACK IN 30 TO 60 DAYS. We were told that we would be able to make our credit card payment in 30 to 60 days. Then they made this statement: "But let's face it, you don't just want to make your payment back, you're into this to make money. You'll have your initial investment of $5840 back within the year and making $1000 to $2000 per month."

I must insert this here: I talked to Eric Largin (or Larton, I'm unsure which) on 1-17-05, and he said under state and federal regulations they can't make claims like that. So out of his own mouth he admits that what they did was ILLEGAL. More on this conversation later.

After being set up with a podunk website that is hard to make it look professional, and with six 30 minute coaching sessions that were really just a waste of time (my coach even steered me in another direction of what to have on my site...I didn't even get to have what I wanted originally), I was left to fend for myself. We were told that they would always be there until we got going, but we never heard from them asking how we were doing. My two coaches' names are Lonnie Hunt (lhunt@nmrcoaching.com) and Stephen Estabrook, who is no longer with them.

I gave it quite a bit of time and effort, but it never panned out for me. Most of the traffic I generated to my site were due to my own efforts and ideas, and not their old, outdated, and pathetic traffic generation schemes. And now my email address is out there and I'm getting a lot of SPAM because of these schemes.

Probably the most troubling part of this story is a call I received from one of their subsidiaries (The Tax Club or something like that). This guy calls me up and wants me to give him some $700 (a fee NOT disclosed to me at the beginning of all this) to set up shop in another state in order to avoid paying some taxes in my own state. Now I'm not all that familiar with tax laws, but I do believe in this statement: "Pay taxes to whom taxes are due." A lot of people complain about taxes and paying taxes, but I'm not going to look for loopholes to avoid paying the taxes that I should. I'm looking for ethics, not loopholes. As I looked at some of the other rip off reports, I guess there are tons of other monthly and yearly fees aside from the $700+ dollars that they didn't even tell me about.

The worst part of that phone conversation was the statement the guy made: "There are certain privacy laws in place in Nevada (or whatever state he was talking about) so that if something happens and someone wants to sue you, it will be harder to find you." ARE YOU KIDDING ME? Does that mean I'm not responsible for my actions if I can't be found? Being able to sue someone is a law that's in place to protect people, and this guy wants me to evade that? That's ridiculous! I told the guy no thanks.

Another complaint I have is nondisclosure of fees. We were led to believe that all the money we put forward that day ($5840) would cover everything. Now I'm being charged on my credit card monthly for a bunch of crap I didn't know I was going to have to buy.

The bottom line is, when I called these guys, they said they'd get back with me, they would talk our situation over, etc. etc. etc., but nothing ever happened; I got ignored and I got the run around. They lied and cheated me out of a lot of money. If your business relies on lying, cheating, defrauding, ignoring, then you shouldn't be in business. If ever there was a business that SUCKED it was this one.

On 1-17-05 I called Eric Largin to rectify the situation, and he told me they have a no refund policy. I told him my wife runs another business, and they don't act this way. He told me that if everyone who didn't have success wanted their money back (and at that time we were just asking for 1/2 our money back), there wouldn't be a company. So I asked him, "Is your rate of dissatisfaction really that high?" He gave me no straight answer. So then he asked me what my wife does when someone is dissatisfied with one of their products. Are you kidding me? Did this guy ever take a business class? If someone isn't happy because their product was misrepresented or has a flaw, they replace it FREE. Since when did customer satisfaction go out of style?

One last thing about this phone conversation. I reiterated the fact that they made serious claims about success in order to lure us into putting money down right away. He said with his own mouth that they can't make claims like that because of state and federal laws. But they DID!!!! And that was my point. Even in light of this, and by his own admission their company BROKE THE LAW, they were unwilling to even give me half my money back. So I said "This is the situation you're in...you made a false claim, so you should give me my money back"

And he snickered under his breath and said, "Oh, this is the situation I'M in, huh?" As if to say, 'We got your money, what are you going to do about it?'

Well, I'm going to do everything I can about it.

They broke the law by their own admission, and I'm going after them.

William
Lagrange, Indiana
U.S.A.

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#1 Consumer Comment

NEVER STOP TRYING TO GET YOUR MONEY BACK

AUTHOR: Mitch - (U.S.A.)

Never Stop Trying


You need to detail everything to them exactly as it happened as it appears they don't quite understand the type of business you are discussing with them.

You must realize that your results may be partially or perhaps greatly dependent upon the representative you are dealing with from the credit card company. These are people who, with the right words, can fight for your cause. Each time you call, you usually get a different representative. Keep calling until you find someone empathetic or sympathetic enough to your cause. Explain to the reprentative you get exactly what happened in detail and relate that if 'he' or 'she' helps you, you will write a wonderful letter about how great they were to their superiors. Don't just spout this out, acquire some familiarity first and some sign of empathy and then explain how you will help them if this issue is resolved in your favor.

Also, ensure you copy and paste reports similar to yours and fax them over to your credit card company as well. Also, give them this web site address which will take them directly to the complaints against PMI, ETC... Indicate that similar expectations were expressed by others trying to start a business and they can easily observe how others did not get what they were promised and paid for as well. Sift through all of the complaints here and elsewhere on the internet by doing a search on fraudulent companies, etc..,and find others who have had similar problems as yours with this company; they might just be enough at this web site. Look for anything which shows they are being investigated by the FTC or other, examples of their (Jeff Paul) tactics, copy and paste that info. in your letter to the credit card company.

Also, copy and paste the following article in an addendum letter to your credit card company, along with the complaints of others, etc... and details of your specific situation.

The following article was forwarded to me via e-mail some time ago relative to a similar situation.

Visa spokesman Rob Shapiro said the company often goes beyond the rules of Regulation Z to assist consumers. ''We endeavor to resolve any issue amicably and within reason,'' he said.

If you are dissatisfied with a service or product, another form of rebellion
is to refuse to pay that charge on the credit card bill. This act of defiance can be done at any time, even months after you received the product.

If the credit card issuer knows you are withholding and why, and the purchase meets certain criteria, it cannot force you to pay during the investigation or report you as delinquent to a credit-reporting bureau.

Knowing the rules of Regulation Z, consumers may be in a quandary if they buy something several months in advance of getting it. What do you do if you charge $800 in January for a summer Cape rental that you won't see until
August?

If the place turns out to be a total dump, you will surely have missed the filing deadlines by August. To exercise the other option, you have to
withhold payment on that charge. Would it be wise to keep a balance on that purchase and willingly accept finance charges so you reserve the right to
dispute the charge later?

Consumer advocates say there is no clear-cut answer, as each person has different factors to consider. But overall, they say, Regulation Z can work to your advantage as long as you remain level-headed about your budget and finance charges.

'Most people don't know the degree of protection they get from Regulation
Z,'' said Jeanne Foy, head of the consumer action center for MassPIRG.
''It's almost a hidden benefit.''

End of article

You can only use the package in a piece-meal fashion. If one part of the package is faulty, the whole package becomes worthless, so it ends up you never get or got what you paid for. Explain that this is not a situation where you pay your money and you receive your package. You can't judge the package until you receive the entire package, so there should be no time limit under such circumstances.
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#2 Consumer Comment

I was ripped off by IDI and I need to follow same advise you received

AUTHOR: Luis - (U.S.A.)

William,

I was also scammed by them and I was trying hard to be successful.

I see that you were going after them, I'd like to know what to do or how all of us that were deceived in the same way could unite. Time has passed and I was not trying to go after them even when I felt deceived because I kept saying myself that I could make my site successful. Now I see that I had been ripped off with the same scheme and tactics and I don't know how to get a refund because it's now a year and I even transferred the credit card balance to another card that offered less interest. I was also ignored when I insisted that they were not doing what they promised, but I focused on my site and trying to make it successful and learning instead of going after them. What advise can I follow? is there hope for me to get somthing back?. At least people should be aware.
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#3 Consumer Comment

Add me to the List of Ripped Off People by this Company

AUTHOR: Barbara - (U.S.A.)

My Husband and I are another couple that this company took advantage of. However, I am not hearing one named company we are still trying to get out of (let alone no one has shut our site down yet either). Anybody involved in the Advantage Corporation? This company sold us a corporation (set up and paperwork) for $1295 and $49.95 per month for an address in Nevada) Now we must come up with $275 to fold the corporation and get them out of our pockets. This is a major scam and I am trying to get everything shut down. Unfortunately, I cannot get all our monies back through credit cards because I used a bank card for part of it. We are even still online and getting no response from my complaints to this site or the Better Business Bureau as of yet. Check out http://www.romeoandfriends.com and help get this company (IDI, Bright Builders, Links4trade, NMR coaching, Advantage Corporation, the tax club and World Wide Brands) and our site shut down! We have been trying to get this going since Nov. of 04 because I was pig headed and would not give up. Now we want some pay back for all the hard work! Please give me suggestions, it was so long ago, I really don't know who all we talked to but we have lost lots of money and time! Thanks for suggestions!
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#4 Consumer Comment

Auctions for Income, idiglobal.com, Internet Development, Links 4 trade, NMR coaching - trapped

AUTHOR: Fyi - (U.S.A.)

Hi Nathaniel,
Did you file your own report? Did you purchase the rip off book? I did both and got my money back, 100% of it from IDI.

You need to tell your story. Each sale is different, you need to get the details out of what is happening or more to the point - what is NOT happening. What did they tell you to get you to purchase, What did they send you and how are the two different? What costs & expenses didn't they tell you about up front, BEFORE finalizing the sale with you? Who contacted you to make the sale?

There are a lot of good reports that have a lot of great advice. Look for REFUND, REFUNDED, I GOT MY MONEY BACK in the titles to see what others have done to sucessfully acquire their refunds.

I did a lot of research and reading of reports. I searched: Interenet Treasure Chest, Auctions for Income, StoresOnline, onlinesupplier.com, Links4Trade, IDI / Internet Development / idiglobal.com, Professional Consulting Service, Summit Consulting, PMI / Professional Marketing Inc/International, NMR / National Marketing Resources, Mentoring of American, John Beck, Jeff Paul, etc. When researching Better Business and reading BB reports, the list of DBA's and phone numbers and addresses lead you to more searches. I printed out everything I could find. It proves how some of these companies will move to a different address, or even a different state, change their names, all in the effort of getting more consumer money, hiding from UNSATISFACTORY BB reports and hiding from ripoff reports. It usually catches up to them though, but so many consumers get ripped off.

Don't give up !!!! File your own report. Add a rebuttal here, let us know what your report address is.

Talk to you soon!
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#5 Consumer Suggestion

help. I feel trapped.

AUTHOR: Nathaniel - (U.S.A.)

I am in week four of the IDI program. I am having an experience similar to your own. I was hoping you could make a suggestion as to what I should do. I feel trapped.
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#6 Consumer Comment

Links 4 Trade = IDI = idiglobal.com + Auctions for Income Cease & Disist order in Illinois

AUTHOR: Fyi - (U.S.A.)

Hi William,
Have you obtained your refund?
Reports filed on Interenet Treasure Chest, StoresOnline, onlinesupplier.com, Auctions for Income, some report being sold Links 4 Trade or services from The Tax Club or mentioned both.
If you haven't received your refund yet --
suggestions -- take all of the items they sent to you and look at all the different logos, company names, addresses, phone numbers. Update your report listing all of them: the company name, address, phone, fax numbers and all the names of people you have talked to.

Who's name is on your charge card statement? That is who you want to be talking to. Compile all your information and call your credit card company and dispute the charges, then send them all of your documentation. BBB has unsatisfactory rating on Auctions for Income in CA & AZ, Unsatisfactory on Summit Consulting who hid behind the name Auctions for Income success team and The Summit Group, & PMI which is also NMR.

Who is responsible for the web page building software? Links 4 Trade? & billing the monthly fees? I found a report online that stated no one can control the search engines. So no one can guarantee any number of hits to any specific web page. The Tax Club, give me a break -- Summit sells you their services and then the tax club calls to sell you again, for the most part, for the same services.

Check your paperwork & Start filing reports with all local, state and federal agencies. Many report forms are available online. AFI received Cease & Disist order in the state of Illinois. Your reporting efforts help states go after them. Good luck.
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#7 Consumer Comment

Links 4 Trade = IDI = idiglobal.com + Auctions for Income Cease & Disist order in Illinois

AUTHOR: Fyi - (U.S.A.)

Hi William,
Have you obtained your refund?
Reports filed on Interenet Treasure Chest, StoresOnline, onlinesupplier.com, Auctions for Income, some report being sold Links 4 Trade or services from The Tax Club or mentioned both.
If you haven't received your refund yet --
suggestions -- take all of the items they sent to you and look at all the different logos, company names, addresses, phone numbers. Update your report listing all of them: the company name, address, phone, fax numbers and all the names of people you have talked to.

Who's name is on your charge card statement? That is who you want to be talking to. Compile all your information and call your credit card company and dispute the charges, then send them all of your documentation. BBB has unsatisfactory rating on Auctions for Income in CA & AZ, Unsatisfactory on Summit Consulting who hid behind the name Auctions for Income success team and The Summit Group, & PMI which is also NMR.

Who is responsible for the web page building software? Links 4 Trade? & billing the monthly fees? I found a report online that stated no one can control the search engines. So no one can guarantee any number of hits to any specific web page. The Tax Club, give me a break -- Summit sells you their services and then the tax club calls to sell you again, for the most part, for the same services.

Check your paperwork & Start filing reports with all local, state and federal agencies. Many report forms are available online. AFI received Cease & Disist order in the state of Illinois. Your reporting efforts help states go after them. Good luck.
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#8 Consumer Comment

Links 4 Trade = IDI = idiglobal.com + Auctions for Income Cease & Disist order in Illinois

AUTHOR: Fyi - (U.S.A.)

Hi William,
Have you obtained your refund?
Reports filed on Interenet Treasure Chest, StoresOnline, onlinesupplier.com, Auctions for Income, some report being sold Links 4 Trade or services from The Tax Club or mentioned both.
If you haven't received your refund yet --
suggestions -- take all of the items they sent to you and look at all the different logos, company names, addresses, phone numbers. Update your report listing all of them: the company name, address, phone, fax numbers and all the names of people you have talked to.

Who's name is on your charge card statement? That is who you want to be talking to. Compile all your information and call your credit card company and dispute the charges, then send them all of your documentation. BBB has unsatisfactory rating on Auctions for Income in CA & AZ, Unsatisfactory on Summit Consulting who hid behind the name Auctions for Income success team and The Summit Group, & PMI which is also NMR.

Who is responsible for the web page building software? Links 4 Trade? & billing the monthly fees? I found a report online that stated no one can control the search engines. So no one can guarantee any number of hits to any specific web page. The Tax Club, give me a break -- Summit sells you their services and then the tax club calls to sell you again, for the most part, for the same services.

Check your paperwork & Start filing reports with all local, state and federal agencies. Many report forms are available online. AFI received Cease & Disist order in the state of Illinois. Your reporting efforts help states go after them. Good luck.
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