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  • Submitted: Tue, January 15, 2002
  • Updated: Tue, September 18, 2012

  • Reported By:Saranac Lake NY
Barbara Hawes & Jack Delehanty Tupper Lake
Sunmount Tupper Lake, New York United States of America

Barbara Hawes & Jack Delehanty AGAIN Tupper Lake New York corruption continues

*Consumer Comment: GROW UP NIKKI SOME OF THE STAFF SHOULD BE ACCOUNTABLE FOR THEIR ACTIONS

*UPDATE Employee: I find it amusing how you blame one poor soul for all the hate and negativity at Sunmount.

*Consumer Comment: you're all missing the boat. If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem

*Consumer Comment: you're all missing the boat. If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem

*Consumer Comment: you're all missing the boat. If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem

*Consumer Comment: you're all missing the boat. If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem

*UPDATE Employee: even hookers get better respect

*UPDATE Employee: To all the parents and victims of sexual abuse

*UPDATE Employee: Attitudes of Arrogance

*UPDATE Employee: DDSO -urealistic, fairy tale living for consumers AKA the patients faking they are insane

*UPDATE Employee: attitudes of ignorance, there is a grave need of training among direct care who work in secure services

*UPDATE Employee: attitudes of ignorance, there is a grave need of training among direct care who work in secure services

*UPDATE Employee: attitudes of ignorance, there is a grave need of training among direct care who work in secure services

*UPDATE Employee: attitudes of ignorance, there is a grave need of training among direct care who work in secure services

*UPDATE Employee: Holy Cow, there are some serious issues that need to be addressed up there

*UPDATE Employee: Holy Cow, there are some serious issues that need to be addressed up there

*UPDATE Employee: Holy Cow, there are some serious issues that need to be addressed up there

*UPDATE Employee: Holy Cow, there are some serious issues that need to be addressed up there

*Consumer Comment: A CIT II, Grade 11

*Consumer Comment: Inmates running the asylum

*UPDATE Employee: Response to Consumer Abuse on Staff

*UPDATE Employee: Omrddso @ Sunmount Tupper Lake, NY

*UPDATE Employee: GAIL what the hell?

*UPDATE Employee: for all the gails out there

*UPDATE EX-employee responds: What about the other consumers who see there staff being beaten up

*Consumer Comment: A little comment...

*UPDATE Employee: Welcome to Management Gail

*Consumer Comment: Sunmount

*UPDATE Employee: sunmount issues

*UPDATE Employee: sunmount issues

*UPDATE Employee: We are the punching bags for the criminals.

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Barbara &Jack are still allowing business as usual at Sunmount DDSO. That means they cover up assaults on employees & retaliate against employees by using ICAD to investigate & silence them. I hope that Mr. Delehanty will please soon do his job before an employee is killed.

(one scared employee)

Tupper Lake and Saranac Lake getting the long over due publicity it so richly deserves. Read about all the corruption from various business people, Police Department, Probation Department, Sunmount Developmental Center to the Assistant District Attorneys office in Tupper Lake and Saranac Lake. Click here to read it all.

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#1 Consumer Comment

GROW UP NIKKI SOME OF THE STAFF SHOULD BE ACCOUNTABLE FOR THEIR ACTIONS

AUTHOR: SICK OF THE WHINERS!! - (U.S.A.)

I THINK BY READING YOUR MESSAGES WE CAN ALL SEE YOU NEED TO PACK A BAG AND ENTER YOUR PROFESSION AS A CLIENT! LETS SEE, I USE TO WORK FOR SUNMOUNT BUT HAVE MOVED RECENTLY. I CAN TELL YOU ONE THING, I HAVE SEEN YOU IN ACTION AND YOU HAVE PROVOKED HALF OF THE RESIDENTS THERE TO COME AFTER YOU. SOME OF THE STAFF SHOULD BE ACCOUNTABLE FOR THEIR ACTIONS. YOUR NOT THERE TO ABUSE THEM. THINK OF THEM AS YOUR OWN CHILDREN. WOULD YOU DO SOME OF THE THINGS TO THEM IF THEY WERE YOUR KIDS? WELL I SURE HOPE YOU DONT OR WOULDNT COLOR THEIR HAIR LIKE YOU DO TO YOUR CHILDREN!! MY MY MY!!! LOL....

GO FIND ANOTHER JOB IF YOU CANT HANDLE THE HEAT...DEAL WITH IT,,,,STOP BITCHING!
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#2 UPDATE Employee

I find it amusing how you blame one poor soul for all the hate and negativity at Sunmount.

AUTHOR: Repetition - (U.S.A.)

Give it up!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I hope she has big shoulders! That's a pretty big statement. Did you really thing that statment out. I don't think so, because I can't believe there could be so much ignorance in one rebuttal!

People like you are pathetic and at the same time dangerous. I agree, OWD would be a much better place for you to work.

Face the facts, this is the way it is. If you can't accept the conditions, then you DO NOT belong in that work environment....and whoever, Nikki is, you use of commas is very comical!!
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#3 Consumer Comment

you're all missing the boat. If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem

AUTHOR: Voice Of Reason - (U.S.A.)

First of all, Nikki, you need to work on your grammar and diction if you want people to take you seriously. By the sound of your rebuttals, you skipped a few too many English classes!!!!

Secondly, you're all missing the boat. If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem. I do agree that CMS has certainly gone way off the deep end with the "rights" issues. This is for certain. You should keep in mind that they are still in control of the federal funds that keep Sunmount up and running. If Sunmount ever did close, we would all lose a lot. All these rebuttals except for a couple have been very negative and are full of chroning whining. By the way, Shane, they pay you way too much to do what you do. If you were in the private sector, you'd be toast. My point is do what you can within your work day to make it therapeutic. I understand you think it should be run more like a prison, but it's not going to and that's that! Accept it, try to improve it and for God's sake, quit whining!!!!!!!!!!
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#4 Consumer Comment

you're all missing the boat. If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem

AUTHOR: Voice Of Reason - (U.S.A.)

First of all, Nikki, you need to work on your grammar and diction if you want people to take you seriously. By the sound of your rebuttals, you skipped a few too many English classes!!!!

Secondly, you're all missing the boat. If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem. I do agree that CMS has certainly gone way off the deep end with the "rights" issues. This is for certain. You should keep in mind that they are still in control of the federal funds that keep Sunmount up and running. If Sunmount ever did close, we would all lose a lot. All these rebuttals except for a couple have been very negative and are full of chroning whining. By the way, Shane, they pay you way too much to do what you do. If you were in the private sector, you'd be toast. My point is do what you can within your work day to make it therapeutic. I understand you think it should be run more like a prison, but it's not going to and that's that! Accept it, try to improve it and for God's sake, quit whining!!!!!!!!!!
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#5 Consumer Comment

you're all missing the boat. If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem

AUTHOR: Voice Of Reason - (U.S.A.)

First of all, Nikki, you need to work on your grammar and diction if you want people to take you seriously. By the sound of your rebuttals, you skipped a few too many English classes!!!!

Secondly, you're all missing the boat. If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem. I do agree that CMS has certainly gone way off the deep end with the "rights" issues. This is for certain. You should keep in mind that they are still in control of the federal funds that keep Sunmount up and running. If Sunmount ever did close, we would all lose a lot. All these rebuttals except for a couple have been very negative and are full of chroning whining. By the way, Shane, they pay you way too much to do what you do. If you were in the private sector, you'd be toast. My point is do what you can within your work day to make it therapeutic. I understand you think it should be run more like a prison, but it's not going to and that's that! Accept it, try to improve it and for God's sake, quit whining!!!!!!!!!!
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#6 Consumer Comment

you're all missing the boat. If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem

AUTHOR: Voice Of Reason - (U.S.A.)

First of all, Nikki, you need to work on your grammar and diction if you want people to take you seriously. By the sound of your rebuttals, you skipped a few too many English classes!!!!

Secondly, you're all missing the boat. If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem. I do agree that CMS has certainly gone way off the deep end with the "rights" issues. This is for certain. You should keep in mind that they are still in control of the federal funds that keep Sunmount up and running. If Sunmount ever did close, we would all lose a lot. All these rebuttals except for a couple have been very negative and are full of chroning whining. By the way, Shane, they pay you way too much to do what you do. If you were in the private sector, you'd be toast. My point is do what you can within your work day to make it therapeutic. I understand you think it should be run more like a prison, but it's not going to and that's that! Accept it, try to improve it and for God's sake, quit whining!!!!!!!!!!
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#7 UPDATE Employee

even hookers get better respect

AUTHOR: Nikki - (U.S.A.)

At lease hookers get a little extra cash, when
asked in doing a little something "extra". Now let
see the last time,I used my constitutional right
of freedom of speech. Some people didn't
appreciate it. Still I feel the burn. Good thing
looks don't kill. But the statements are true.

The people who live at sunmount don't know how
to respect others, along with respect for them-
selves. Back a few months I went threw an
unnecessary ordeal, that most likely could have
been advoided. Accourding to administration,
that "They really made a mountian, out of a mole
hill" and consumer wasn't included in "they".

For a few selected staff,like myself find it a
challeng to do our job.I was pretty close to not
having a job. The consumer, well moved on to a
better place. Now try telling another consumer
who has been doing treatment, why they didn't
get to move on. When another consumer hasn't done
thier treatment, or could have worked harder on
it.

I kick myself in trying to understand this
"new" CMS stuff.I have changed alot in my
thinking and my action when Iam at work. Following
rules and memos. Doing the best we can, with what
we have. Personal issues shouldn't get mixed with
professional. Befor this big changeover, staff
and consumers had a good relationship. There
were hardly any skip interventions.Consumers
were excelling intreatment, you could see how
proud they were.We don't get that as much. Its
just not the same.

Too bad that staff couldn't get a little extra cash, for all the "little extra things " we do.
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#8 UPDATE Employee

To all the parents and victims of sexual abuse

AUTHOR: James - (U.S.A.)

To all the parents and victims of sexual abuse,I am sorry that pedophilia is now classafied as a disease as per Gail. Sunmount used to be known for its active treatment. What treatment takes place now? Treatment as it once was known, was to return them to normalicy or as close as possible. ie: to bath properly,personal grooming,pride in apperance,able to complete a chore(in a timly manner)attend and particapate in class,follow ones program,eat with proper table manners,ask for things that are needed,they learned respect for ones self and others. Many time I have came off pass, they would run up to say they made it to this level or i still didnt blow it. They Felt Good about themselves. They had a goal, to learn,to work hard,to follow programs so that they would be rewarded,respected and develope self respect,

Now lets see what the FEDS have brought to us. No consequence for any of thier actions. ie: to punch a peer or a staff means what now? Nothing they still order out, they still get trips, they still have room priviledges,they still go to the machines. What if they decide not to shower,wash clothes,comb thier hair? Nothing, execpt that thier peers and staff have to put up with the stench.Chores? again nothing,
Is this normalicy? Iff released would they benefit society? Or would they claim another victim like the other 92% of sexual predators?

Hey, Sunmount has your need to use chemical Interventions shot up?(notice the pun) more take downs? people that never had a behavior issue develope one? Why should they "be good" You are now teaching them nothing.

Yes, I to am a prostitute.Just like our leaders at sunmount. To keep getting paid I,they,do things for money. I, following rules that they hand down to keep my job knowing in the long run You are hurting the people at Sunmount. They, to keep the federal money comming in, ensure the feds are happy. See how we are hookers? Everyone is getting screwed and being paid for it.
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#9 UPDATE Employee

Attitudes of Arrogance

AUTHOR: Steve - (U.S.A.)

There is a grave need of sensitivity training among management who work in secure services. Gail you are the reason for most of the negativity and hate at the work place. Instead of helping and guiding staff you will go to great lengths to degrade and humiliate them. I have seen how you treat people and look down on them (in your arrogant way) like they are the criminals. Belive it or not staff are people too.

Do you think you could have a little empathy for the people and treat them like a certain someone...? Any one who has met you and looked into those beady eyes of yours can sense something demonic about you. Deep down in that small heart of yours you know people dislike you and maybe you enjoy that for some sick twisted reason but, instead of looking at people with revenge in your eyes and injecting negativity and hate in people try giving respect,dignity,and trust that they deserve maybe than it will be a nice place to work.
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#10 UPDATE Employee

DDSO -urealistic, fairy tale living for consumers AKA the patients faking they are insane

AUTHOR: Cindy - (U.S.A.)

and as for the consumer part, it is total bullshit. These people have disabilities, yes, but it boils down to this:
If they do something wrong, they know there are absolutely NO reprecussions. Their behavior is rewarded by doing absolutely nothing to reprimand them.

Tell me, if some one goes out and punches joe blow on the street, what happens? Do we all turn our backs and pretend it doesn't happen? NO!!!! That is what they do with these people. I don't care if your I.Q. is 20 or 200, if you do something WRONG there should be reprecussions.

That is why I stopped working with those kinds of people, the hierarchy is plain and total BULLSHIT.

And I do know what I'm talking about, I worked in the same situation for almost 11 years before I finally gave up.
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#11 UPDATE Employee

attitudes of ignorance, there is a grave need of training among direct care who work in secure services

AUTHOR: Gail - (U.S.A.)

I think there is a grave need of training among direct care who work in secure services.
How can you go to work everyday with so much negativity and hate. It reeks from your rebuttals.

Do you know the meaning of therapy. Here it is,
"treatment of disease". Do you know that almost 100% of pedophiles have been sexually abused by an adult when they were a child. No one disagrees with the horrific crimes that the consumers have committed are wrong, but you are being paid good money to partake in their therapy. If they weren't there, you wouldn't have the nice pay/insurance package that you do. I guess you'll have to lose it to really appreciate it. There are people with bachelor degrees that don't make as much money as you do. What did you think when you took the job, what type of crimes did you think they committed?? I really don't think you are looking at this from all angles. Imagine being brought up in a dysfunctional home where you were raped, beaten and emotionally and verbally abused. I guarantee you wouldn't be acting like Saint Theresa. Come on people, think for a change instead of sputing venom of whimsical nonsense. You are making statements that make absolutely no sense. What did you expect? Try some empathy, try not to focus on all of the negativity. Focus on what you can do to make it a safe therapeutic environment. I'm preaching to the choir, continue to go to work and complain, it'll make it such a nice place to work.
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#12 UPDATE Employee

attitudes of ignorance, there is a grave need of training among direct care who work in secure services

AUTHOR: Gail - (U.S.A.)

I think there is a grave need of training among direct care who work in secure services.
How can you go to work everyday with so much negativity and hate. It reeks from your rebuttals.

Do you know the meaning of therapy. Here it is,
"treatment of disease". Do you know that almost 100% of pedophiles have been sexually abused by an adult when they were a child. No one disagrees with the horrific crimes that the consumers have committed are wrong, but you are being paid good money to partake in their therapy. If they weren't there, you wouldn't have the nice pay/insurance package that you do. I guess you'll have to lose it to really appreciate it. There are people with bachelor degrees that don't make as much money as you do. What did you think when you took the job, what type of crimes did you think they committed?? I really don't think you are looking at this from all angles. Imagine being brought up in a dysfunctional home where you were raped, beaten and emotionally and verbally abused. I guarantee you wouldn't be acting like Saint Theresa. Come on people, think for a change instead of sputing venom of whimsical nonsense. You are making statements that make absolutely no sense. What did you expect? Try some empathy, try not to focus on all of the negativity. Focus on what you can do to make it a safe therapeutic environment. I'm preaching to the choir, continue to go to work and complain, it'll make it such a nice place to work.
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#13 UPDATE Employee

attitudes of ignorance, there is a grave need of training among direct care who work in secure services

AUTHOR: Gail - (U.S.A.)

I think there is a grave need of training among direct care who work in secure services.
How can you go to work everyday with so much negativity and hate. It reeks from your rebuttals.

Do you know the meaning of therapy. Here it is,
"treatment of disease". Do you know that almost 100% of pedophiles have been sexually abused by an adult when they were a child. No one disagrees with the horrific crimes that the consumers have committed are wrong, but you are being paid good money to partake in their therapy. If they weren't there, you wouldn't have the nice pay/insurance package that you do. I guess you'll have to lose it to really appreciate it. There are people with bachelor degrees that don't make as much money as you do. What did you think when you took the job, what type of crimes did you think they committed?? I really don't think you are looking at this from all angles. Imagine being brought up in a dysfunctional home where you were raped, beaten and emotionally and verbally abused. I guarantee you wouldn't be acting like Saint Theresa. Come on people, think for a change instead of sputing venom of whimsical nonsense. You are making statements that make absolutely no sense. What did you expect? Try some empathy, try not to focus on all of the negativity. Focus on what you can do to make it a safe therapeutic environment. I'm preaching to the choir, continue to go to work and complain, it'll make it such a nice place to work.
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#14 UPDATE Employee

attitudes of ignorance, there is a grave need of training among direct care who work in secure services

AUTHOR: Gail - (U.S.A.)

I think there is a grave need of training among direct care who work in secure services.
How can you go to work everyday with so much negativity and hate. It reeks from your rebuttals.

Do you know the meaning of therapy. Here it is,
"treatment of disease". Do you know that almost 100% of pedophiles have been sexually abused by an adult when they were a child. No one disagrees with the horrific crimes that the consumers have committed are wrong, but you are being paid good money to partake in their therapy. If they weren't there, you wouldn't have the nice pay/insurance package that you do. I guess you'll have to lose it to really appreciate it. There are people with bachelor degrees that don't make as much money as you do. What did you think when you took the job, what type of crimes did you think they committed?? I really don't think you are looking at this from all angles. Imagine being brought up in a dysfunctional home where you were raped, beaten and emotionally and verbally abused. I guarantee you wouldn't be acting like Saint Theresa. Come on people, think for a change instead of sputing venom of whimsical nonsense. You are making statements that make absolutely no sense. What did you expect? Try some empathy, try not to focus on all of the negativity. Focus on what you can do to make it a safe therapeutic environment. I'm preaching to the choir, continue to go to work and complain, it'll make it such a nice place to work.
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#15 UPDATE Employee

Holy Cow, there are some serious issues that need to be addressed up there

AUTHOR: Amy - (U.S.A.)

I swore I was not going to respond to one of these ever! But Mr CIT II, Grade 11 was just way too much. While I don't work in any part of the secure units(for personal reasons which are another issue) I know plenty of others who do and thank the Lord that not all of them hold the same attitude as the one who posted that piece of garbage. Yes there are some serious issues that need to be addressed up there. Yes these folks who are criminals have more rights than the average citizen. I don't agree with that at all. But no place does it ever state that because they are a violent criminal it gives a person the right to call them names. In fact, MR CIT II, Grade 11, has shown his intelligence level to be right about the same as those he was atempting to slam.
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Holy Cow, there are some serious issues that need to be addressed up there

AUTHOR: Amy - (U.S.A.)

I swore I was not going to respond to one of these ever! But Mr CIT II, Grade 11 was just way too much. While I don't work in any part of the secure units(for personal reasons which are another issue) I know plenty of others who do and thank the Lord that not all of them hold the same attitude as the one who posted that piece of garbage. Yes there are some serious issues that need to be addressed up there. Yes these folks who are criminals have more rights than the average citizen. I don't agree with that at all. But no place does it ever state that because they are a violent criminal it gives a person the right to call them names. In fact, MR CIT II, Grade 11, has shown his intelligence level to be right about the same as those he was atempting to slam.
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Holy Cow, there are some serious issues that need to be addressed up there

AUTHOR: Amy - (U.S.A.)

I swore I was not going to respond to one of these ever! But Mr CIT II, Grade 11 was just way too much. While I don't work in any part of the secure units(for personal reasons which are another issue) I know plenty of others who do and thank the Lord that not all of them hold the same attitude as the one who posted that piece of garbage. Yes there are some serious issues that need to be addressed up there. Yes these folks who are criminals have more rights than the average citizen. I don't agree with that at all. But no place does it ever state that because they are a violent criminal it gives a person the right to call them names. In fact, MR CIT II, Grade 11, has shown his intelligence level to be right about the same as those he was atempting to slam.
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#18 UPDATE Employee

Holy Cow, there are some serious issues that need to be addressed up there

AUTHOR: Amy - (U.S.A.)

I swore I was not going to respond to one of these ever! But Mr CIT II, Grade 11 was just way too much. While I don't work in any part of the secure units(for personal reasons which are another issue) I know plenty of others who do and thank the Lord that not all of them hold the same attitude as the one who posted that piece of garbage. Yes there are some serious issues that need to be addressed up there. Yes these folks who are criminals have more rights than the average citizen. I don't agree with that at all. But no place does it ever state that because they are a violent criminal it gives a person the right to call them names. In fact, MR CIT II, Grade 11, has shown his intelligence level to be right about the same as those he was atempting to slam.
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#19 Consumer Comment

A CIT II, Grade 11

AUTHOR: David - (U.S.A.)

Well thanks for giving us the heads up on whats really going on at Sunmount A CIT II, Grade 11. Its no wonder the inmates assult you. They are probably scared with all of the beatings they get. I really cant see the justification in beating a retarded person. If the state wont provide you the training to subdue these people without beating them then maybe your union needs to step in and do something. There is no reason for the employees to not be trained or for the inmates or consumers as you call them to be beaten. The managment at Sunmount need to get thier s**t together.
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#20 Consumer Comment

Inmates running the asylum

AUTHOR: Gregg - (U.S.A.)

d**n !!!!!!!!!

And these are the ones that come and go out there.

Fact is stranger than fiction.

WOOO h*o !!
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#21 UPDATE Employee

Response to Consumer Abuse on Staff

AUTHOR: A CIT II, Grade 11 - ()

I would like to personally respond to 'SUNMOUNT'and anyone who thinks the retards get to many rights.... 1st, think about how you would feel if it was your kids who got beaten or molested by one of those perverts!

2nd, think how you would feel if your grandmother was raped over and over again by the same retard. 3rd, how would you feel if you were the one whose throat got slashed and a 'stick' shoved up your a*s for good measure. I mean c'mon, I know someone who works there. And the paystub DOES NOT say 'Punching Bag Pay'.

Nor did anyone mention that we had to take this s**t from anyone with an IQ of 80 or lower. All the retards have to do is cry to Rosie and she'll back them f***Kers up like no tomorrow. Oh and don't get me started on the fact that if they are BLACK and the "special treatment" they get. I have kids and no way are these b*stards getting out to do the exact thing that they did to get in there...to my kids!

Now I'm sure that people don't work there to BEAT THE TARDS, but if it happens...OH WELL. And if you are a true STAFF you won't RAT OUT your co-workers. I've worked both TEAMS (1 & 2), and you can see the s**t above the 11's (14's, 17's, and up!)

Don't forget that s**t rolls downhill...When you s**t on the 11's, we s**t on the idiots. There are way too many BLEEDING HEARTS in this place....they need to go! Hello INTENSIVE treatment, yeah I've got that! Don't worry, I've got staff behind me. And if I don't have the right staff (DAY SHIFT & Clinicians), I don't do nothing, really. What's there to hide?

The "consumers" get beat, there's no hiding that fact. But look at the IP65's, does it really look like they get beat? Of course not, duh! I may be one of the few who really knows how to "do things" there, but let me tell you, we are the elite!

Who the f**k do they run to when s**t goes down? People like us. Don't get me wrong, I don't go there to vent on the 'tards, but if it has to be done so be it! Some of us know how to write and thats why we have jobs! Believe me, some of us have kids and bills outside of work. So that should tell you, perhaps, that maybe it's not all the retards fault for filing 147's, maybe, just maybe, it's EVERYBODY...except the 11's.
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#22 UPDATE Employee

Omrddso @ Sunmount Tupper Lake, NY

AUTHOR: Bill - ()

The occupational injuries @ secure services is never released to the public. Why?? Because it would show the unions how dangerous secured services really is.

Yes, all employees (11,14,17) need to demand these figures. There haven't been any figures released since 1997. So please, all of us should stick together so changes can be made for our safety. Being assaulted can be traumatic. Where is the human side to high level management? God help us all.
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#23 UPDATE Employee

GAIL what the hell?

AUTHOR: Joseph - ()

HI I would like to say something in gails defense.
She once told me that we as staff have to stick together,(as a team).GOOD d**n thing I don't work on that team!!!She once was a scta 1 but now she is not,she once was someone you would like on your side, but now she is not,well god bless you Gail.What the hell is wrong with you .

I know that you have a new title, but come on you need to look back a few months ago. Hell look back and see were you came from. You of all people should be there for you staff.

All of your staff you worked with side by side day in and day out. These people are the reason you are still there. They had your back and I hope the hell you had theirs. When I started there you helped me and you probably don't remember me, but I remember when I started there I thought man if she got my back then great, holly s**t was I wrong.

Some people call team two a loven team, but that's just it. We will all stick together and go down with the ship as one, one team. I love my job and I love working on this team. I know were I stand with the people I work with. I'M not saying that team 1 is a bad place to work, not at all. I know a lot of the staff that work there, and I know that they would stick together no matter what. All of the SCTA 1 work great together on both teams.

ALL the grade 11,14,17,need to work together,(as a team)I don't care if you are on team 1 or team 2. So what, I'M trying to say is "look back and you would see you were there,IN the trenches up to your neck in s**t and piss, and you know how it is. Stick with your staff, their there to work, not to be punched or laimed by any of the consumers and its more than a paycheck. Thank you and god bless ya!!!!!!
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#24 UPDATE Employee

for all the gails out there

AUTHOR: JR - ()

I too have worked in kitchens but i've never seen anyone injured for life while working in one.sure we make good money,but unless you have a "nice chunk of change" in the bank,going out on occupational injury for being beaten by a consumer isn't my idea of a vacation.Using your own time for a week plus waiting for checks in the mail from comp(only to find out it's only 80% of pay and 6 weeks late)sure to hell isn't a treat.

Sounds like someone definitly forgot where she came from.I wonder if she had to sign the"hand out vaseline in larger quantities..." protocol when she accepted her position???

We the employee's(grade 11's and 14's)are the backbone of both CIT's,we do our jobs as described when we accpeted them.No where did i see a clause stating:"Bodily injury WILL occur,shut up,accept it,move on,or GET OUT!!"
For a so called CSEA member,maybe you should change the deduction on your paycheck for union due's and convert it to "shop fee's" because doesn't sound like your backing your own staff from here.........
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#25 UPDATE EX-employee responds

What about the other consumers who see there staff being beaten up

AUTHOR: melissa - ()

I once worked at sunmount many years ago , still work for the state now . But i must say that who ever this women is telling a staff that they can go work at the OWD and wont get hurt , forgot where she came from . I know that when it comes down to it yes we are hired for a job and should expect some injury . But i have to say unless your gonna pay Pro football wages to do this job your out of your mind. no one ever signed up to wonder if they would make home at night . Its bad enough you need the staff .. and these people are willing to work for you ... but be darn glad they do .. cause i don't think you could handle being back in the trenches now .

You think that money is so good when you get it , but i have to say no money is worth being crippled or dead, NONE... I have worked for the state for 13 years , have been beaten, and attacked , but still i did my job . i have enough resect for the consumers to know when to say when , but it will be a cold day in H*** before i let adminstration not take responcablity for there actions. Low staffing, crazy treatment plans ,and oh yes the envirment.

Barbara or what ever your name is when you have no one left and you have to go back to the real world .. maybe you will re-think the OWD your self . be for your staff before you loose them .

I am concerned state worker that was hurt at work an is getting ready to be terminated due to her injury being a bad one, see you use us up and then spit us out .. i am 35 and need to go on disablity for an injury that could have been prevented .(this injury didnt happen at sunmount)but i have to say some of the injuriers i did get while i worked at sunmount, could have been prevented,and should have been.

What about the other consumers who see there staff being beaten up, do you think they feel safe , i know i wouldn't .. would you ? There is more then person effected by the actions of the facility ... the other consumers that depend on there staff to help then get thru the day, and please dont spout off to me about clinicians, cause there there part of the time, not the nights and weekedends when the other staff are there. Besides the fact, when a SW or DR wants to get away from them .. its just the matter of closing a door .

Frontliners like myself , are there for it all. remeber that, and when something bad goes down you look to us to protect you, Dont you ? and yes thats are job.

Yes the consumers need to be protected , but at what cost? ..Isn't human life to great??
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#26 Consumer Comment

A little comment...

AUTHOR: Nikki - ()

I just wanted to add this. I have sat back and analysed the consumers, and why they are here. I and I know they have had "terribal things happen to them."that still dosn't give them the right to do terribal things to us.

I don't believe you were at my interview. So how would you know why I decided to take this job. You just "assumed"I took this job for the money. I might be a "bleeding heart" and really want to help these people. Or I might have took it for the great joy of just being a State employee.

I actually giggled to myself..when you made the comment about getting a job at the OWD..maybe you should be more careful on how you word things. I could take that as a threat to my job.All i wanted to do was to vent out,and state my opion.Therefor I did and i feel great.
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#27 UPDATE Employee

Welcome to Management Gail

AUTHOR: Shane - ()

Dear Gail,

I usually sit here reading everyone's rebuttals and take whats said to heart, or throw it out in the trash, but I felt compelled to answer to this one rebuttal of yours.

I title it welcome to management gail for a reason, You are a CSEA member with no regard for the safety of your own people who work for you, if you think that our pay checks, give's someone the right to assault someone, this is how management thinks, so I have to commend management in their choice to hire you as their grade 17, you have just proven your ignorance to your own workers.

Yes, it is a treatment center, which is there to treat offending behaviors, and if we allow someone to continue to do these behaviors with no consequences, than what have we taught them. The Union is trying to get this mentality stopped, because we are not there to be punching bags, yes we do know that there are risks, it still doesn't make it right.

I wonder do you think that it is OK for a police officer to get killed in the line of duty because he gets paid enough, would we say to his family, sorry we can't sentence your husband or your fathers killer, because that is what he got the big bucks for, he knew the risks, he should have worked at burger king, which brings me to my short but sweat ending, you stated that "wouldn't it be nice that if you worked in a kitchen never to get burnt".

Here's food for thought for you, I have worked in many kitchens, and never got burnt, do you want to know why? I'm glad you asked, because the people or company that I worked for were smart enough to give me pot holders to use instead of using my bare hands, put your pot holders on gail you have now crossed over to Management.
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#28 Consumer Comment

Sunmount

AUTHOR: John - ()

Gail is partially right. Sunmount is supposed to be a treatment center and part of treatment is an understanding of what happens for your actions.

Residents at Sunmount do have a somewhat disability when it comes to learning certain things, but are sharp enough to realize that they can get you removed from your job by crying abuse.

How many of theese cases that have been investigated in the last three years have been disproven, or unsubstantiated.

I can remember only one case in the last three years where abuse/neglect was proven. Pepole who asault in public are often arrested.

People at the "Treatment" Center are allowed to go to the commons and get treats or go out in the community and get coffee.

Just what kind of treatment is this?
And one more thing Gail, I remember when you were direct care and you shouldn't throw any stones either!!
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#29 UPDATE Employee

sunmount issues

AUTHOR: gail - ()

Part of the job title, unfortunately, entails dealing with potentially dangerous consumers. It would be nice to work in a kitchen, yet never to get burned....but is it realistic.

Maybe you should analyze why the consumers are there. It's a rehabilatative center hence Center for intensive treatment. Many of these people are developmentally disabled and have experienced terrible abuse.

They are criminals also, but you knew that when you accepted the very nice pay check.

Perhaps, you can begin to ask yourself...how can I help them. What am I being paid for? What's my job "purpose". How can I improve on the situation instead of joining in the "chronic" complaining.

Or if you can't come to terms with the above, you could work at the O.W.D., the chances of getting assualted are next to nill.
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#30 UPDATE Employee

sunmount issues

AUTHOR: gail - ()

Part of the job title, unfortunately, entails dealing with potentially dangerous consumers. It would be nice to work in a kitchen, yet never to get burned....but is it realistic.

Maybe you should analyze why the consumers are there. It's a rehabilatative center hence Center for intensive treatment. Many of these people are developmentally disabled and have experienced terrible abuse.

They are criminals also, but you knew that when you accepted the very nice pay check.

Perhaps, you can begin to ask yourself...how can I help them. What am I being paid for? What's my job "purpose". How can I improve on the situation instead of joining in the "chronic" complaining.

Or if you can't come to terms with the above, you could work at the O.W.D., the chances of getting assualted are next to nill.
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#31 UPDATE Employee

We are the punching bags for the criminals.

AUTHOR: nikki - ()

I was assulted march 7th..pressed charges...
it is the 15 and nothing has been done in my case.
They tested him to see if he could stand trial...of course he fails..

also in the meantime he decided to shout out "ABUSE" and the 3 staff and security officer are out on icad investigation...

i recived injury from the consumer...he get open arms from Barab Hawes and pretty much tells him it will be allright.. My staff that help me that night are being punished for doing thier job,whom sunmount hired them to do. I want rights for staff..we are becomeing the consumers personal punching bags.

This consumer along with some others up thier have long long records of doing this..and yet sunmount fails to come up with an idea to fix it..someone is going to die in order for them to come up with a salution.

I know i was hired for job that deals with rapist, murders, arsonist and assultive individuals..no where did it say i had to put up with abuse.. especailly when they don't learn what they are doing is wronge and is not acceptabal behavior.
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