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  • Submitted: Mon, April 09, 2012
  • Updated: Thu, April 12, 2012

  • Reported By: Dreamdachs — Ashland Wisconsin United States of America
Big Timbers Kennel
W. Calla Rd Canfield, Ohio United States of America

Big Timbers Kennel Karen Callahan Karen Callahan of Big Timbers Kennel Ripped Me Off $1600.00!!!! Canfield, Ohio

*REBUTTAL Owner of company: WOW!

*Author of original report: More Lies From Karen Callahan! This Woman Never Stops Lying!

*REBUTTAL Individual responds: She FRAUDULENTLY sold those to me and she was PAID in full!

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Karen Callahan purchased two adult AKC registered Miniature Dachshund females along with eight of their AKC registered Miniature Dachshund puppies on May 31, 2011.  We have done business before on two seperate occasions, only this time she ripped me off!

One female is Payton, Dreamdachs Pay It Forward MW, a black & tan wire coat.  The other female is Charm, Dreamdachs The Charmed Life MWP.  Both females were sold with their litters out of Champion English Import Sired AKC Champion Pointed Rosadach's Woogie Wuff MW.

The agreement was that she would pay me $2200.00 for the entire group of dogs.  She said she could only pay a $200.00 deposit.  I was uncomfortable with that but seeing that we had done business together before I thought I could trust her.  I never could have been more wrong!

Well, she only left me a $100.00 deposit and a few excuses that it cost more to rent a car for the drive, etc. [continued below]....
.....  I bought into her excuses and I stupidly signed over all ten full AKC registration papers.  I was later told that someone she delivered two dogs to for on her way home to Ohio said that she told her and her husband that she got the dogs from me for FREE!  I did not find that out for a couple of months.  It leads me to believe that she had intended to swindle me from the very beginning!

She missed every agreed upon payment.  The agreement was for the dogs to be paid in full by September 2011.  She was to pay monthly payments until September 2011 when the remainder was due.  She was also supposed to mail me the other half of the deposit.  The only money she has paid me has certainly come with a price.......the price being fights, arguements, lies, slandering and spreading rumors about me and my dogs!  To date, Karen has paid me a total of $600.00 and owes me another $1600.00. 

I do have proof of her payments and proof of her herself saying the balance owed when she sent payments via Paypal.  She has tried to lie and bully her way out of paying me the balance owed.  She has threatened lawsuits, media, news crews, you name it!  She has tried her best to ruin my name and reputation and spread lies about me and the quality of my dogs.

She has even went so far as to use the deaths of people she is not even related to as a way to guilt me into leaving her alone!  She seen these two adults in person a year before she agreed to buy them and also seen them and their puppies in person before leaving with them.  I gave her several chances to look over the dogs and I sent her pictures of a puppy with a large overbite.  She promised she would only sell the puppies with limited AKC registration as pets only but I told her I would allow her to use her own judgement when they got a little older to see if they were pet quality or show/breeding potential.

She tries to say that she doesn't owe for these dogs because they are garbage in her opinion yet she had NO problem selling the puppies she bought from me with full registration to other breeders!  Those people paid for those puppies that she didn't pay for!  That is so not right!  So, one of the dogs she apparently feels is beneath pet quality she then bred on her next heat cycle to her AKC champion wire coat stud dog.  So, what is it?  She's a puppymill piece of crap or a dog with great comformation as she was raving about on her website when she bred her and sold her first AND second litter??

I was told by her that the other female she bought from me was so bad that she had to give her away to a pet home.  I was recently informed that my dog Payton was sold to another breeder!

She says repeatedly that she "lost her ass" on my dogs but how can this be?  She sold all TEN of my dogs and kept the money and I got a total of $600???  She was advertising the pups for up to $600 EACH!  I was finally prepared to walk away from this nightmare but she apparently is unwilling to drop it and I have decided I cannot let her bully me into submission.

This woman has no boundries, she has stated that ALL of the dogs had fleas, ticks, coccidia and that the pups didn't have shots and dewormings.  All lies.  The dogs picked up a few ticks as I was told by the people she dropped off two male dogs to in Indiana as a result of her putting the dogs out to potty in long grass.  The ticks were not attached and after a 10 hour drive in the car if they had ticks on them they wouldn't be walking around freely.  All of the puppies and adults were up to date on dewormings.  The dams were up to date on vaccinations and the puppies were too young to vaccinate.  I didn't hear a thing about coccidia until much later so I don't believe that one either.  If they got it later they probably picked it up at her place!  

I cannot, in good conscience, not share my horrible story with the world after what she has put me through.  I have been told I am certainly not the only one to be burned by Karen Callahan!

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AUTHOR: btkdoxies - (United States of America)

#1~Lie~Nugget only weighed 12 lbs at the most~Ask Gina Miller of Millers Dachshunds in MI....she used him for stud!  Leslie NEVER saw him nor had him in her home cept for 1 breeding!  She was obviously wrong about his weight also!  I have vet records to prove my dogs weight.....I actually take my dogs to the vets periodically for well checks & so forth so I have records of his actual weight!  Wrong again~Starr never weighed 12 lbs and why would I breed a longhair dog to a wire haired dog.  I didn't purchase Nugget JR to breed to my wires.  I bought him to breed to my 9 & 10 lb Sniffntell show creams!  I have VET records of my dogs weights.  You don't take yours to the vet unless they are being shipped or need a Health Cert.  Maybe that is why you had no clue how much your 6 mth old pup weighed when you sold him and I still have yet to see one ounce of WHO your Vets are and ANY vet records of care!!  This is something I include with EVERY sale!  WHO was your vet Jenni so I can call them and get the dogs records transfered!  It would be nice!  I had to ASSUME they had nothing and had to pay to give them all new shots since you neglected as a breeder to produce them with the sale of a dog!  I don't have to PROVE myself, the quality I breed speaks for itself.  My mother has never been reported to this ROR place and neither have I.....maybe because this is all lies!  I have the proof sweetie from VETS and BREEDERS! 

I can go on and on and on and pick apart every single thing like you did Jenni!  I have an eye witness...my 21 yr old son who will come on here after he gets off of work to rebuttle in his own words from his eyes what your home was like!  We waded thru knee high grass.....I so wish I had taken pics of everything!  I have VET records which I am attaching!  I have had so many comments from other breeders who admit how much nicer the dogs looked after I had them.  I have all the proof of fleas, ticks, coccidia, worms & ear mites.  You never wormed the pups, they never saw a vet, you didn't even have UTD records on your females!  Your home is trash!  You stacked your dogs 3 high in your so called home/trailer that had NO running water!!  You live on the same property as your mon Brenda from BK's Chihauhuas and your sister who breeds Shelties and who knows what else!  Your mother has what 6 Rip Off Reports under Brenda K Mattson.  Like mother like daughter!  You are also mention in several of those reports!

Also Norma has posted a ROR on here about you Jenni.  Other breeders that you have sold to have also said that the shape the dogs are in when they receive them is horrendous and your ground support man that you use to use......also admitted to the horrendous shape that you and your dogs lived in!  This all boils down to Morals and the proper LOVE & CARE that these dogs DID NOT receive while in your care.  They lead a life of solitude in cages and small pens!  Those pups absolutely were out in a shed or so called kennel when we picked them up.....why would I make up something like that?

If you think you have such a great case against me......then take me to court Jenni....I keep telling you to take me to court!!!   You won't and why.....because you will loose and you know this!  I have never bought dogs & pups in such horrible shape as these were!  I would never breed for or sell dogs and especially puppies in the shape they were!  You should have raised them up til they were 8 wks old like I had said but oh no, you were desperate to get them out of your so called place!  I would NEVER EVER sell a litter or puppies with a mama like that to ANYONE!

Oh and those puppies I was bottle feeding....were kept in a crate and away from the adult mama's.....but I also had 2 adult mama's that were caring for those tiny babies and had accepted them and was giving them a mother's love since they had lost theirs.......Charm CLIMBED and CHEWED her way into those pups within minutes......I was in SHOCK......NONE of my Mothers would EVER kill another new born puppy like that!  I TRUST ALL MY MAMA's!  They all are absoutely wonderful and loving to any other mama's new born babies!!!  I was horrified!  Only KENNEL raised BITCHES are known to kill another mom's pups and I can say a few other things!!  I have never EVER lost a pup or a litter to PARVO......I have never EVER had vicious jealous mama's kill other babies.  Only give love and attention to!  The difference between your raising pup and mine.....I raise all mine in my HOME in a loving atmosphere where they get love and attention daily and held and socialized and not kenneled and forgotten about!  They are vetted properly and bathed if they get poop & pee on them.....anyone can walk into my home at anytime and see my dogs and the care I give them!  Another thing......I don't live off my dogs......You do or atleast you did cause you never work!!!  That is why you are screaming about money and all you care about is money!  If these pups and dogs would have been what you had claimed they were......we wouldn't be having a problem......but you NEGLECTED them as a so called breeder and you FRAUDULENTLT sold them to me under false pretenses!

Take me to court Jenni PLEASE....I beg you to take me to COURT!!!!!  WE WILL THEN SEE WHO IS IN THE RIGHT AND WHO IS IN THE WRONG! 

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More Lies From Karen Callahan! This Woman Never Stops Lying!

AUTHOR: Dreamdachs - (United States of America)

Due to the length of my rebuttal I have broken it down some to keep things clear.

Lie #1:  I bought a longhaired dachshund from her and I continued to ask her how much the dog weighed. I didn't find out his true weight until the day he was sent to me. I was very upset with her for with holding that info on me. I would have never have bought the dog if I had known he weighed 4 lbs more than I thought he did. I paid $600 for a dog I had to rehome for $150 due to not being able to use him in my breeding program. He was to large for my girls. She knew my girls were all 10 lbs.

My Response to Lie #1:  I contact Karen at least a couple days in advance if my memory serves me correct to let her know I was mistaken about Nugget JR's weight.  I asked her right then and there if she wanted him anyways and that if she did not I was willing to immediately refund the money to her.  She said, no she still wanted him so she got him!  I should point out that it should be no big surprise to her that he ended up being larger considering when her and her friend brought two cream pups to me out of her dog Nugget (Nugget JR's grandsire) that she co-owned, that she lied to me about his weight!  I was later told by her stud dogs co-owner that their dog Nugget actually was over 15 pounds!!!  Several times Karen told me how happy she was with him just the same and that she was going to show him and was excited about his future.  I did not know her girls were all 10 lbs. which is actually another lie because she had a female she purchased from me at the time named Dreamdachs Fantasy Dreamsicle MW (aka Star) who was 12 pounds.

Lie #2:  I bought 2 female wires from her.....Charm I wanted so I took her 6 pups along with her and they were only 2 wks old. She kept pushing Payton on me and I didn't want her, never did and I told her right from the start I didn't want Payton cause I didn't like the dog period.

My Response to Lie #2:  I did infact offer a package deal to Karen.  Payton was part of the package.  She accepted the offer.  She is lying about their age.  The puppies were born on April 30th, 2011.  That made Charm's puppies 4 1/2 weeks when she picked them up, not the two weeks she's claiming!  And on that note, Payton's puppies were 6 weeks!  I do have proof of that and will provide that.  Karen never said she didn't like Payton, only that she liked Charm better.  I do maintain that Payton was my favorite of the two girls and no dog is perfect but I thought she was a lovely little dog with decent type and conformation.

Lie #3:  The grass was knee high everywhere you looked, dogs everwhere on the property in little sheds with pens and about 15 dogs per shed. Piles of junk everywhere you looked and a house trailer that looked like it should have been condemmed. The adult dogs were in a pen that we had to wade thru the grass to get to. I didn't see any water or food bowl in site. Barely saw the dogs from the grass being so high. The pups were in a shed all by themselves......6 pups in one section and 3 pups in another section. I can't remember if they had food or water either cause I was in such shock over the living conditions.

My Response to Lie #3:  The grass was NOT knee high everywhere and I had a mowed area of the lawn and she never had to walk through any tall grass.  That's absurd.  My property only has ONE building on it besides my house.  That was the kennel.  There were only four pens in their and I did not use it full time.  The puppies were raised in my house.  The dogs absolutely had fresh food and water and anyone that knows me knows I would NEVER dream of leaving a dog without food and water!  I even told her the dogs were only out there waiting to be picked up.  I have a ton of pictures to prove they were raised inside of my house if anyone would like to see!  The adult dogs were in a large fenced in are of my yard ONLY so they would have ample time to potty before their long journey towards Ohio!  The fenced yard was right alongside my gravel driveway so again.  Their was no piles of junk everywhere!  If she was having a hard time seeing the dogs maybe it's because the GRASS grew up along the fence and it's hard to weedwack every bit of it around a fence and HELLO a Dachshund is short and low to the ground!!!

Lie #4:  At this time I am thinking this is a rescue mission....not a sale of dogs. I should of reported her right then and there. We pick up 2 males also that I agreed to deliver and drop off on our way home to another breeder. After we finally picked up the dogs & pups and got them all settled into our vehicle. We headed out with my son saying "OMG mom that was the most horrible place I have ever been to and all those poor dogs.....I wish we could sneak back here tonigth and take all of them out of this horrible place." As we drove we had to put the windows down in the vehicle cause the smell from them not being bathed was horrible and barely breathable.

My Response to Lie #4:  If Karen truely felt these were dogs in need of rescuing than she should have contacted the authorities, right?  Instead she purchased the dogs, agreed to pay me $2200 and made payments up until October 2011.  It was always a sale of dogs and will always be a sale of dogs.  She still owes me and nothing she says will change that!  Her son didn't have squat to do with her being here, he merely helped drive.  He didn't do anything with the dogs and didn't say anything.  If the dogs smelled then it was because they were probably excited and panting not because they were unclean.  That's just another excuse!

Lie #5:  As we stopped at a rest area to potty the dogs.....we noticed fleas, ticks and started picking them off of them. They stunk like pee & poop. The first time I held Payton I noticed something wrong with her rib cage. Hmmmm......that was not disclosed to me. 1 of Paytons pups had such a severe overbite it was a parrot mouth! 2 other pups had slight overbites also. After dropping off the males to this other breeder.....she also disclosed that everytime she got a dog from her they were in this condition. I was appalled by it. They were still picking ticks off the dogs when we gave them to them.

My Response to Lie #5:  Karen did try to say the dogs had fleas and I called her out on it IMMEDIATELY and she never said another word about it because she knew she was lying!  My dogs DID NOT have fleas!  I cannot guarantee that there was not a single tick on a dog.  Up in northern Wisconsin the ticks are horrible, even the shorted potty break can get a tick on a dog!  I do not feel that Payton's rib cage has anything wrong with it.  She does have a bony sternum but my vet's have seen it and were not concerned with it.  I have seen several Dachshunds with that from several bloodlines.  When Karen was here a little over a year ago, her and her breeder friend both were in my home and in my kennel and they BOTH bought dogs and I bought dogs from her friend and they handled Payton and Charm on the grooming table and I stacked them and they had their hands on them both.  She knew exactly which dogs she was getting before she ever commited to buying them!  As far as the puppy with the overbite, I told her over and over that the one puppy had a very large overbite.  I sent her pictures of the puppy from every angle and never was anything but open and honest about the degree of the overbite.  I told her I had a pet home lined up for her that wanted her very badly but she insisted that she had a home lined up for her with a relative who wanted her so badly!  I showed Karen the overbite IN PERSON and said that she did NOT need to take her if she did NOT want her yet she took her anyways and promised to pay for her.  That's not right!  The other puppies did not have anything wrong with their bites at the time they left here.  As for the other buyer, I have never heard anything but wonderful things from them!

Lie #6:  I take them to the vet.....of course after coming home and bathing everyone one of them with flea & tick shampoo and mind you these are little puppies with eyes just opened. I would never sell a mama dog & puppies like that ever. I was just so sickened by the whole ordeal. My vet was very disgusted with the care that these pups had. They had coccidia and worms. I had to treat 2 adults and 8 puppies with Albon. My very first initial bill was $236.61 just to have the pups checked and treated. I had initially agreed to pay her $2200 for all these dogs until I got there and saw their living conditions and so forth.

My Response to Lie #6:  The puppies were 4 1/2 weeks and 6 weeks.  Not just opening their eyes!  All puppies have worms, why do you think people start deworming them so young.  I had them on a deworming schedule!  I never seen any signs of coccidia and Karen even said that it probably came out with the stress of travel and that she was NOT concerned about it!  If she did not feel that the dogs were worth $2200 then she should NOT have taken them in the first place!

Lie #7:  Disgusting.....that ended up being a rescue mission for those poor dogs and puppies. That is what a puppy mill looks like. I ended up giving away 2 of the pups for free cause of the bad bites and I was having a hard time finding homes for a couple of the pups. People want pups that I have bred cause they know they are getting a healthy and great dog for a lifetime. I could not guarantee these pups since I didn't breed for them and the shape they were in when I got them. I ended up giving Payton away to a friend who bred her once for a litter of pet only puppies.....

My Response to Lie #7:  She can say anything she wants but I still have NO proof she gave any dog away but that's neither here nor there because she still agreed to pay for the dogs!  She said she would have no problem selling them and she was even considering keeping one of the wild boar female puppies and had several listed as show hopefuls!  She never started the trash talking until I got serious about getting paid for the dogs and she was clearly avoiding paying for them!  She outright LIED to me when she said that she couldn't get anything for Payton so she gave her to a P-E-T home.  NOW the truth comes out, she let her go to another breeder........for what?  To be bred AGAIN.  Does this not raise a giant red flag???

Lie #8:  I was not willing to take the risk. I also had her evaluated by several other breeders and her rib cage was deformed. We did not know if this was hereditary or not. So he was on his own with her but I knew he would give her a great home. Next comes Charm......I find out she is a puppy killer. I was bottle raising a litter of newborn pups who lost their mother at birth and charm chewed and dug her way into their crate and killed and ATE one of the pups.....then she did it again but I caught her in time before she ate the second pup.  I was no way prepared for this to happen. I was told by many breeders that there was no way that was a first for her.....once a puppy killer, always a puppy killer. She was also pregnant at that time.....she had even more over bites with this litter of pups. I was told that she never threw over bites and that it was a fluke last time. WRONG.....it happened again. Once a dog throws overbites they always will.

My Response to Lie #8:  I had other breeders and vets evaulate Payton too and no one ever had a problem with Payton!  Charm never killed a puppy here ever.  If she let a pregnant hound unsupervised with a newborn litter that is HER fault, NOT the dogs!  I would never trust a hormonal dog with a litter of puppies EVER.  Charm was wonderful with puppies here, even puppies that were not her own, I have pictures to prove that too!  Karen, it takes TWO parents to produce overbites!  So, you better look closer at your stud dog because if you got overbites it was only 50% Charm's fault.  I never tried to hide anything with the overbites.  I was open and honest with that as well.

Lie #9:  So I was sold supposedly 2 wonderful breeders......I wouldn't call puppy killers, overbite throwers and deformed rib cages.......wonderful breeders!! I paid her $600 and told her she wasn't getting another penny for FRAUDULENTLY selling me all these dogs & pups. The living conditins were horrendous and the parasites & worms that I exposed all my dogs to......was unforgivable!

My Response to Lie #10:  Really?  I remember you telling me before you paid $600 that you weren't going to pay anymore.  You just keep coming up with more lies and excuses to get you out of paying me for the dogs!  There was no fraud involved.  The dams and their litters lived inside my home and were loved and well taken care of.  End of story.

Lie #11:  Then I also found out that she had already promised Payton to another lady and sold her out from under her to me. Well I gave Payton away to my friend and we agreed that Norma deserves to have Payton and she is aware of all her issues. I would never disclose that ever when selling a pup or dog to anyone. I am an honest and trustworthy breeder. I am not a rip off artist as Jenni claims I am.

My Response to Lie #11:  Let me start from the beginning.  Norma said that if I ever sold Payton to a PET home she wanted me to let her know.  We talked about her getting Payton but I then found out she was in heat and was kenneled with my stud.  Past experience clearly demonstrated that Payton breeds very early in her cycle and was quite possibly already bred.  Norma begged me to let her take her anyways and said if she was in face pregnant that she would drive up the 8+ hours to bring her to me a month in advance of her whelping so I could rear the litter and return her afterwards.  I never once believed her intentions were true.  I could not get her off the phone with me that evening I found out Payton was in heat.  When she started to slur her words and started the whole "I love you man, no seriously I love you" crap I realized she was totally shit faced.  She admitted that she was upstairs in her bedroom drinking by herself the entire time we had been on the phone.  Her husband was downstairs.  She told me that she has the dogs because she cannot have children.  She started to talk about some pretty radical animal activist stuff that she's into.  All in all, I knew after Payton coming into heat and then her being drunk on the phone and creeping me out so badly that I would never send her another dog.  Not that I doubt she would provide a wonderful home for a dog, because that I have never doubted.  When I told Norma I was keeping Payton she was irate and sent me a really nasty message on Facebook so I unfriended her and blocked her and that was that.  I never heard from her again for almost an entire year when I learned that she was online slandering me publicly.  She has never been to my house, never seen my kennel, never seen Payton in person while I owned her, money never exchanged hands, nothing.  She was still 100% MY dog to do whatever I chose with.  By the time Payton had her pups I knew I would never deal with her again anyways so when I got out of breeding Dachshunds Norma was NOT an option for placement with Payton.  If she has Payton now, I do not doubt she will have a wonderful home.  It's more of the owner herself that concerns me since she's been stalking me to the point of me talking with the police!  And, the drunk voicemail was a nice touch, Norma.

Lie #12:  She fraudulent sold me those dogs under false pretense and I should of known since she did it before to me. Also neither of the adults had rabies shots or anything. I got no health records on either of them and they were both 3 yrs old. So all that had to be taken care of. I spent so much money on getting all those dogs healthy, vetted, wormed and found awesome loving homes for everyone of them. I didn't keep a single one cause I do not breed and sell dogs or pups with issues and lie about it or with hold that kind of info about them.

My Response to Lie #12:  I did sell her any dogs before under false pretenses!  She knew Nugget JR's weight and she knows that I offered her a 100% refund but she still wanted him.  She also knows that I got Nugget JR's sire, Karson, that she was the co-owner of the sire of which she lied about that dogs weight!  Karson was 17 pounds by the time he was 7 months old and I sold him to a pet home for $250.  I traded $950 worth of dogs for Karson.  How is THAT for false pretenses?  Karen should be ashamed of lying about her dogs weights KNOWINGLY when I NEVER lied about a dogs weight EVER.  I had NOT weighed Nugget JR. before she placed a deposit on him.  When I found out he was much larger than I thought I contacted her immediately!!!  The adult dogs DID leave with their shot records/health records and I have emails to back up that!  Karen did not keep a dog because she wanted the money, she was keeping a female but then sold it, then she was keeping a male puppy as a show prospect according to her website but then money won again!  Then she kept Charm and bred her and sold her entire litter then sold her too.  Karen must really enjoy making money from dogs she doesn't pay for because she seems to have it down to a fine art by now!



Lie #13:  She is trying to make me out to be a bad person. She needs to look in the mirror!I am not the one who has had 3 or 4 different websites. I have had one and only one for as long as I have been breeding. I only have 2 email addresses......not 3 or 4 or a new one everytime I change breeds to sell and breed. She changes all the time cause of all the complaints that she gets!

My Response to Lie #13:  Well, I think Karen is the one who needs to look in the mirror.  I have only had one website ever, I have had a few domains redirect but NOT a blind redirect and all travel straight back to my main website, always has been that way.  Karen, you have an Australian Shepherd dog your show handler wouldn't even return to you!  You insist the dog was stolen......my oh my how the pieces are starting to fit together!  Also, I have never had any complaints so I have no idea what she is talking about!

****Karen:  Oh and Jenni.......those so called people that you said I claimed to have died and wasn't related to........they were MY 2nd parents of 30 yrs!!!! Parents who raised me in an unconditional environment that taught me all about true love and about God and Jesus! They taught me and showed me what a family is suppose to be like....were we blood related...no.....but they were my best friends parents whom I have loved and known and spent summers with for as long as I can remember! They were in my life for 30 of the now 42 yrs of my life!  So don't you dare say bad things about people that loved me like one of their own. I was their 8th child and all my brothers & sisters embraced me like family! I flew to AZ to bury them with my family like I should have! I am so sorry it was such an inconvenience to you cause I refused to answer emails or phone calls during my time of mourning my beloved parents!! I only have my birth mother alive now. I had lost my birth father 12 yrs ago! So these people meant the world to me!!!

****My Response:  Karen, you were ignoring me long before you went to Arizona.  It was the fact that you used their deaths to try get the upper hand with your Facebook friends for sympathy and support.  How should I have known that they died and that you were gone?  You used that as an excuse to further put me off, we both know that.

Lie #14:  She can claim all she wants........she can say I ripped her off all she wants.....the truth is......she with held the truth about these pups & dogs from me and she didn't take proper care of any of them......this is strictly a money making business for her. All she cares about is the money and not the health and care of her dogs! She needs shut down! Go see her so called home and the poor living conditions they all live in there. Run down falling down trailers with little sheds and dogs everywhere you look with grass knee high and junk piles and trash everywhere!!

My Response to Lie #15:  Me, money hungry?  Seriously?  I would like the money owed to me, yes, of course.  But, you seem to be the only money hungry one here seeing that you sold all of my dogs AND even bred one of them AND sold all of those puppies also!  So, you are saying that each dog and puppy was worth a mere $60?  Wow.  I think you need that mirror again Karen!

****Karen:  I hope the media goes out to her home to take a look.....she would be shut down and fined!! Come see my home......come see the love and care I put into my dogs!! My own vet has one of my puppies! Doctors & Lawyers & CPA's & Massotherapists, Dentists and the list goes on and on who I sell to. They love and adore my dogs & pups and all give me referals and come back to buy another off of me! Many have been to my home and can see the love and care immediately! Love, Truth and Honor will prevail! Lies & deceit will not!!

****My Response:  Well, lets see.  I moved, I don't even live on the same property.  Even if I did, it was not fancy but my dogs were ALWAYS well loved and well cared for!  One of my veterinarians owns TWO dogs from me.  My other veterinarian has owned TWO dogs from me for several years.  The second of the vet has owned several of my Mom's dogs from several years ago.  These are BOTH vets I currently use.  Two of the three vets I use personally have been to my home on multiple occaisions and I have never had any problems.  I have also sold a puppy to a lawyer in Illinois and he loves his puppy.  I have also sold puppies to people in law enforcement.  So, nice try.  I have been AKC inspected TWICE and they have visited three times total.  All with good results.  I currently own five dogs, two which are altered.  Goes to show you don't really know squat about me Karen!!!
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She FRAUDULENTLY sold those to me and she was PAID in full!

AUTHOR: btkdoxies - (United States of America)

Jennifer Fuhrman has sold many different breeds and is nothing but a puppy miller.  She sells dogs that are not what she claims they are.  I bought a longhaired dachshund from her and I continued to ask her how much the dog weighed.  I didn't find out his true weight until the day he was sent to me.  I was very upset with her for with holding that info on me.  I would have never have bought the dog if I had known he weighed 4 lbs more than I thought he did.  I paid $600 for a dog I had to rehome for $150 due to not being able to use him in my breeding program.  He was to large for my girls.  She knew my girls were all 10 lbs. 

Then I figured I would give her a chance to redeem herself.  Well I was wrong once again.  I should of learned my lesson the first time.  I bought 2 female wires from her.....Charm I wanted so I took her 6 pups along with her and they were only 2 wks old.  She kept pushing Payton on me and I didn't want her, never did and I told her right from the start I didn't want Payton cause I didn't like the dog period.  Since she was getting out of breeding, I took the dog and her 2 pups, not wanting them but did it anyway.  I told her I would most likely be rehoming her cause I did not really want her to begin with. 

She knew this....I have several emails with me explaining that to her.  She kept claiming she was the nicer of the 2 dogs.  How was that when Charm had much better conformation/structure and was sweeter and had an adorable face.  Payton was ugly, had horrible conformation and I didn't like her.  Never handling the dogs or seeing the pups until I drove 15 hrs one way with my 21 yr old son, stayed in a hotel overnight, then went to her home.  WOW what a sight that was.  Puppy mill heaven I would say. 

The grass was knee high everywhere you looked, dogs everwhere on the property in little sheds with pens and about 15 dogs per shed.  Piles of junk everywhere you looked and a house trailer that looked like it should have been condemmed.  The adult dogs were in a pen that we had to wade thru the grass to get to.  I didn't see any water or food bowl in site.  Barely saw the dogs from the grass being so high.  The pups were in a shed all by themselves......6 pups in one section and 3 pups in another section.  I can't remember if they had food or water either cause I was in such shock over the living conditions. 

At this time I am thinking this is a rescue mission....not a sale of dogs.  I should of reported her right then and there.  We pick up 2 males also that I agreed to deliver and drop off on our way home to another breeder.  After we finally picked up the dogs & pups and got them all settled into our vehicle.  We headed out with my son saying "OMG mom that was the most horrible place I have ever been to and all those poor dogs.....I wish we could sneak back here tonigth and take all of them out of this horrible place."  As we drove we had to put the windows down in the vehicle cause the smell from them not being bathed was horrible and barely breathable. 

As we stopped at a rest area to potty the dogs.....we noticed fleas, ticks and started picking them off of them.  They stunk like pee & poop.  The first time I held Payton I noticed something wrong with her rib cage.  Hmmmm......that was not disclosed to me.  1 of Paytons pups had such a severe overbite it was a parrot mouth!  2 other pups had slight overbites also.  After dropping off the males to this other breeder.....she also disclosed that everytime she got a dog from her they were in this condition.  I was appalled by it.  They were still picking ticks off the dogs when we gave them to them. 

I take them to the vet.....of course after coming home and bathing everyone one of them with flea & tick shampoo and mind you these are little puppies with eyes just opened.  I would never sell a mama dog & puppies like that ever.  I was just so sickened by the whole ordeal.  My vet was very disgusted with the care that these pups had.  They had coccidia and worms.  I had to treat 2 adults and 8 puppies with Albon.  My very first initial bill was $236.61 just to have the pups checked and treated.  I had initially agreed to pay her $2200 for all these dogs until I got there and saw their living conditions and so forth. 

Disgusting.....that ended up being a rescue mission for those poor dogs and puppies.  That is what a puppy mill looks like.  I ended up giving away 2 of the pups for free cause of the bad bites and I was having a hard time finding homes for a couple of the pups.  People want pups that I have bred cause they know they are getting a healthy and great dog for a lifetime.  I could not guarantee these pups since I didn't breed for them and the shape they were in when I got them.  I ended up giving Payton away to a friend who bred her once for a litter of pet only puppies.....

I was not willing to take the risk.  I also had her evaluated by several other breeders and her rib cage was deformed.  We did not know if this was hereditary or not.  So he was on his own with her but I knew he would give her a great home.  Next comes Charm......I find out she is a puppy killer.  I was bottle raising a litter of newborn pups who lost their mother at birth and charm chewed and dug her way into their crate and killed and ATE one of the pups.....then she did it again but I caught her in time before she ate the second pup. 

I was no way prepared for this to happen.  I was told by many breeders that there was no way that was a first for her.....once a puppy killer, always a puppy killer.  She was also pregnant at that time.....she had even more over bites with this litter of pups.  I was told that she never threw over bites and that it was a fluke last time.  WRONG.....it happened again.  Once a dog throws overbites they always will. 

So I was sold supposedly 2 wonderful breeders......I wouldn't call puppy killers, overbite throwers and deformed rib cages.......wonderful breeders!!  I paid her $600 and told her she wasn't getting another penny for FRAUDULENTLY selling me all these dogs & pups.  The living conditins were horrendous and the parasites & worms that I exposed all my dogs to......was unforgivable!  

Then I also found out that she had already promised Payton to another lady and sold her out from under her to me.  Well I gave Payton away to my friend and we agreed that Norma deserves to have Payton and she is aware of all her issues.  I would never disclose that ever when selling a pup or dog to anyone.  I am an honest and trustworthy breeder.  I am not a rip off artist as Jenni claims I am. 

She fraudulent sold me those dogs under false pretense and I should of known since she did it before to me.  Also neither of the adults had rabies shots or anything.  I got no health records on either of them and they were both 3 yrs old.  So all that had to be taken care of.  I spent so much money on getting all those dogs healthy, vetted, wormed and found awesome loving homes for everyone of them.  I didn't keep a single one cause I do not breed and sell dogs or pups with issues and lie about it or with hold that kind of info about them. 

She is trying to make me out to be a bad person.  She needs to look in the mirror!I am not the one who has had 3 or 4 different websites.  I have had one and only one for as long as I have been breeding.  I only have 2 email addresses......not 3 or 4 or a new one everytime I change breeds to sell and breed.  She changes all the time cause of all the complaints that she gets! 

Oh and Jenni.......those so called people that you said I claimed to have died and wasn't related to........they were MY 2nd parents of 30 yrs!!!!  Parents who raised me in an unconditional environment that taught me all about true love and about God and Jesus!  They taught me and showed me what a family is suppose to be like....were we blood related...no.....but they were my best friends parents whom I have loved and known and spent summers with for as long as I can remember!  They were in my life for 30 of the now 42 yrs of my life! 

So don't you dare say bad things about people that loved me like one of their own.  I was their 8th child and all my brothers & sisters embraced me like family!  I flew to AZ to bury them with my family like I should have!  I am so sorry it was such an inconvenience to you cause I refused to answer emails or phone calls during my time of mourning my beloved parents!!  I only have my birth mother alive now.  I had lost my birth father 12 yrs ago!  So these people meant the world to me!!!

She can claim all she wants........she can say I ripped her off all she wants.....the truth is......she with held the truth about these pups & dogs from me and she didn't take proper care of any of them......this is strictly a money making business for her.  All she cares about is the money and not the health and care of her dogs!  She needs shut down!  Go see her so called home and the poor living conditions they all live in there.  Run down falling down trailers with little sheds and dogs everywhere you look with grass knee high and junk piles and trash everywhere!! 

I hope the media goes out to her home to take a look.....she would be shut down and fined!!  Come see my home......come see the love and care I put into my dogs!!  My own vet has one of my puppies!  Doctors & Lawyers & CPA's & Massotherapists, Dentists and the list goes on and on who I sell to.  They love and adore my dogs & pups and all give me referals and come back to buy another off of me!  Many have been to my home and can see the love and care immediately!  Love, Truth and Honor will prevail!  Lies & deceit will not!!
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