• Report: #422107

Complaint Review: C R England Trucking Company

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  • Submitted: Mon, February 09, 2009
  • Updated: Fri, April 17, 2009

  • Reported By:Lonoke Arkansas
C R England Trucking Company
www.crengland.com Internet U.S.A.

C R England Trucking Company used me to get a pm on their truck, fired me and abandoned me 1,700 miles from home Salt Lake City Utah

*Consumer Comment: CR England safestat scores UNSATISFACTORY, drivers failing 82% of driver inspections.

*Consumer Suggestion: Sour Grapes Marine Number one

*Consumer Suggestion: Some People are Jerks

*Consumer Suggestion: SOUR GRAPE

*UPDATE Employee: accident prone sour grapes

*Consumer Comment: SOUNDS LIKE TO ME THE TRUCK DRIVING COMPANY FROM H E L L!

*UPDATE EX-employee responds: Don't take this on yourself!

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BURN NOTICE FROM C R ENGLAND TRUCKING

Published 2/9/2009

Just to let you know how you might be treated if you go to work for C R England trucking, I want to publish this account of the way they treated me. I wasn't a good driver, but I did the best I could. I gave them suggestions, one of which I was told by Chad England would be discussed at the highest levels and another of which KiKi Walker, my first driver manager used to save C R England trucking fuel. I told John, my second dm, C R England trucking is a well run company with high standards. I loved the company. I admired the England family for what they have accomplished. I, in no way, wanted to hurt or injure them.

C R England trucking, a refrigerated trucking company I drove for about 6 months with 3,500 trucks used me to get a PM done on their truck, then fired me, had me set my belongings in their parking lot, and abandoned me 1,700 miles from home at their yard in Mira Loma, CA, just outside of Los Angeles.

I am not a spy like Michael on "Burn Notice", so I was scared, confused and could have become desparate, injured or killed trying to get myself and my stuff home when I was given a burn notice by C R England trucking, but for the Grace of God. C R England trucking showed absolutely no concern for my welfare. They simply cut me off 1,700 miles from home.

As a result of being fired and abandoned, my brother, a driver, had to route into a place he hates, pay for a motel for 4 days, take freight he wouldn't have, and drive hundreds of miles out of his way to get me home. On the way, a bag of my stuff fell off the truck and was lost.

Some of the details of my leaving the company are as follows. Lawrence Gray, a safety manager, for C R England trucking called me on or about the 29th of October, 2008 for a safety review of an accident I had about 30 days earlier. During the conversation, he told me C R England was letting me go and he would be back in touch with me that day to arrange a bus ticket home. He never called back. Instead, he didn't return my two calls to him that day.

The next morning an intimidating driver named Frank showed up and wanted the truck. I explained I was told I l would be contacted with a bus ticket. He said he couldn't wait, needed to be making money, so I got my stuff out of the truck and stacked it beside the truck in the parking lot.

I called my brother, an owner operator, who drives a step deck trailer. Thank God, he was in Seattle, about 800 miles away and said he would route through LA and pick me and my stuff up. I had way too much stuff to take a bus anyway. Praise God again, I happen to have about $50 dollars on me and called a cab which, for $25 of the $50 I had to my name delivered me and my stuff to Motel 6.

I stayed at the motel for 2 days before my brother got there the evening of the second day. Thank God, my wife, who gets paid once a month had just gotten paid, so I could pay for the room. It was Thursday, and my brother picked up the next four days motel rent until we could get some freight going East. It was crappy freight, a couple of mal formed hubs for a wind turbine.

We put all my stuff, about 8 trash bags, on his upper step, tarped it and tried to secure it best we could and still get the freight on and tied down.

It took us three days to get me to a truck stop so my wife could pick me up. This took my brother a few hundred miles out of his route, from LA to Tampa. Fuel was at an all time high, so a few hundred miles cost him 300 miles at 5 miles to a gallon of diesel is 60 times $5 equals $300 just in fuel. I had no way to pay him, since C R England trucking had left me for 3 and 4 days in Laredo twice in the last month without miles or money. I guess they had been trying to shake me loose for a while.

I don't mean to be a cry baby, but C R England trucking damaged me and my family. C R England trucking fired and abandoned me 1,700 miles from home after trying to starve me out of my livelyhood. I was in an extremely weak financial condition. But for the Grace of God, I have no idea how I would have gotten home let alone gotten my stuff home.

As with any losses, you never realize how much you have lost until months later when you keep missing more and more stuff and realize what it will take to recover.

I knew my $80 KJV bible on CD that I listened to to go to sleep is missing, but I now find my beard and hair trimmer set is gone, my head set is gone... A whole bag of my electronics and belonging fell off the truck somewhere between LA and Lonoke, AR.

This is especially bitter because I had been out of work for 7 weeks before I went to work for C R England trucking. I had bent the landing gear on a trailer and had done $2,200 damage to a traffic light doing a right turn; no damage to the trailer or truck and no one was hurt. I was given a 2 point ticket for careless driving. This incdent was the reason for my firing. Thats the only thing on my license. If C R England is going to fire people because the economy is softening and they don't have freight, they ought to tell you that or at least give the real reason for firing someone. Getting fired as a driver is a serious strike against being able to make a living.

But, I really think the fact I got off of per diem had something to do with my firing. I finally figured out, about the last month I was with C R England trucking, they discount your milage pay 10% on per diem, meaning instead of making 27 cents a mile, I was only making 24.3 cents a mile. This is such lousy pay, its amazing they would cheat drivers busting their butts to make a living in one of the hardest jobs on the planet. At the time, Schneider trucking trained and started totally new drivers out at 30 cents a mile on per diem driving a dry van with a lot less responsibility and hassle. 5.7 cents a mile times 2,000 miles makes a poor driver an extra $114 a week.

I figure C R England cost me $2,000 or more for my stuff and expenses and my brother $3,000 in lost income and time by firing and abandoning me 1,700 miles from home. I am not a rich person and this hurt me and my family.

I had ony been driving for 3 months when I went to work for C R England trucking, so I just wasn't prepared to be treated like this. Its a sad situation when a huge company like C R England trucking can attack and try to destroy an employee who has done nothing but try to make a living for his family.

This attack was totally without warning and was as ruthless as it could have been. Maybe this is standard operating procedure in the trucking industry, or maybe its just the C R England trucking way, but it is wrong. It is totally destructive, especialy in a bad economy. Is our society one that uses people up and throws them away without a thought or consequence?

C R England trucking had some other company call me for an exit interview. I told the company rep about the way I was treated and the damages, at that point I thought were only $500. I told them I would come back to work for them. I asked to be reimbursed. Again, I was used and ignored by C R England. If trucking companies can give drivers exit interviews and ruin any chance of future employment for drivers, I think we out to give them exit interviews and hold them accountable for the damages they inflict on exemployees.

C R England trucking also fought me and kept me from getting $130 a week unemployment for 8 weeks, the max I could have gotten, after firing me without warning and abandoning me 1,700 miles from home 7 weeks before Christmas.

A $10 "fix it ticket" I got in CA for a 2" tear on a mud flap C R England trucking didn't take care of and didn't let me know I could take care of is now a $530 ticket because I didn't have the money to pay it when it was a $130 ticket as a result of being fired and abandoned 1,700 miles from home by C R England trucking.

I hate that I dissappointed my wife and son. I hate that I dissappointed C R England. I hate that I failed as a driver.

I hope C R England trucking does't do this to anyone else. It seems to me the way I was treated was heavy handed, without conscience and vengeful in return for my best efforts.

I pray for Chad England and C R England trucking, because they know not what they do when they attack a child of God. Forgive them Father and draw them to You. Its in Christ's name I pray.

Charles aka Arbroker
Lonoke, Arkansas
U.S.A.

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#1 Consumer Comment

CR England safestat scores UNSATISFACTORY, drivers failing 82% of driver inspections.

AUTHOR: Ben - (U.S.A.)

CR England drivers are failing driver inspections at the rate of 82%, according to safestat online, which is the info that DOT officers have shown me that they use on their computer to help determine which drivers or trucks to inspect. DOT has told me that if the carrier score is higher than 75, they HAVE TO INSPECT if there is an officer availble to do it. You can view the CR England score for yourself by going to ...

http://ai.fmcsa.dot.gov/safestat/disclaimer.asp?RedirectedURL=/safestat/SafeStatMain.asp

and use the following info: US DOT #: 28406 MC #: 124679 Carrier Name: C R ENGLAND INC

Since drivers normally are able to provide a valid driver's license and med card, the common reason for failure is log books. (Englands Vehicle inspections have a passing score, it's just the drivers that are failing) In my 14 yr. driving career with 5 companies, my experience is that companies that have pushed me to run illegal are the ones that have the high scores, and are also the companies with the highest turnover. Another explanation could be that England specializes in rookies that aren't getting enough training on the log laws and procedures. Either way, it is rare that a company scores so high. Anyone can check this out on the link I provide above.

So, IMHO, the author of the Sour Grapes rebuttal who claims to be an ex-marine is believing what he wants to believe, facts be damned, and comes across as a masochist. That's fine, to each his own.

BTW, I just got off the phone with an England recruiter today, who told me that England is not accepting solo company drivers anymore, that you have to run team or sign a lease. Based on all the ripoffreports above, and the failing safestat score, I will not apply. Thx all for taking time to post.
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#2 Consumer Suggestion

Sour Grapes Marine Number one

AUTHOR: Nicolette - (U.S.A.)

You're a dummy. I've looked into everything they charge you back for with an England Lease and it's ...what's the word....HORRIFYING! That kid made a mistake and you're just a dumb jarhead who I am sure parades around telling everyone what a supertrucker you are. You're not exactly a Navy Seal you dumbass. I've talked to many a Drive Life Lease Operator who ran 2-4,000 miles a week and OWED money to England! LOl! If i even turn 1 mile a week I profit ,Son, and the best driver (and a good friend) I ever met is a guy named Jim Nary out of Fontana ,California ,49 years behind the wheel, 30 with his own numbers on the side of his truck (his last one he bought, a 1980 Pete 379 with a 5/4 and a 400 Big Cam Cummins), and this man ROLLED his new Cabover in 79, almost killed himself. Do ya' think if he worked for England in 2009 that he would have been "given" a 2nd chance?? Hell no, SuperTrucker!! Guess what...He never put another scratch on a fender in the 28 years following until his retirement!! Stick that in your pipe and smoke it !!

MikeStgeorge

Landstar RANGER!!!
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#3 Consumer Suggestion

Some People are Jerks

AUTHOR: William L - (U.S.A.)

To the Author of Sour grapes, Your Living in another world,I'll bet you will fail at Cr England in a very short time !!
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#4 Consumer Suggestion

SOUR GRAPE

AUTHOR: Larry - (U.S.A.)

YOU ARE AN A-HOLE I AM ALSO A MARINE ONE OF THE BEST 20YR.. VAT.
TRY WORKING FOR WERNER YOU PUSSY.
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#5 UPDATE Employee

accident prone sour grapes

AUTHOR: Cr New York - (U.S.A.)

Well I must say the following to offer in response to the above. I have read many negative reports about CR England and I have no gripe. You are careless enough to hit a pole and do over $1,200.00 in damage to the vehicle, and you wonder why you were fired. Go figure! I am a new lease-opperator and I have nothing to say but positive things about the whole orientation experience. In all fairness, CR England should title the orientation as "Trucker Boot Camp" as it is certainly geared to the "hard core" elite that can muster up enough courage to succeed. I am a Marine and for me it was absolutely not a pboblem, but I was one of the remaining 13 out of a class of 57 that started. Not for the faint of heart or those with a weak "work ethic" for sure. Having said that, I would recommend both the Company, as well as their Driver Orientation". For one to make it with CR England, three things are required. You mst have a positive attitude, pay attention, and be able to follow directions EXACTLY. Most people that were "disqualified" after entering the program, had the first two traits , but could simply NOT FOLLOW DIRECTIONS! Than you, from "CR New York".
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#6 Consumer Comment

SOUNDS LIKE TO ME THE TRUCK DRIVING COMPANY FROM H E L L!

AUTHOR: Joe - (U.S.A.)

AND IT WILL BE A VERY COLD DAY BEFORE I EVER WORK THERE.

WITH ALL I HAVE READ ABOUT THESE PEOPLE AND HOW THEY TREAT THEIR PEOPLE AND THAT WAS BEFORE THIS LATEST FINANCIAL DEPRESSION WITH MORE THAN 5,000 JOBS DISAPPEARING A WEEK! OR IS IT A DAY?

THEY CAN KEEP RUNNING DESPERATE SLAVES THROUGH THEIR MEAT GRINDER INDEFINITELY --- GETTING MONEY FROM THE GOVERNMENT TO TRAIN YOU AND THAT WOULD BE ABOUT SIX MONTHS BEFORE THE GOVERNMENT CHECKS STOP. THEY GET YOU TO FIX UP THEIR DOGGED OUT TRUCKS AND THEN THEY CAN YOU.

YOU NEVER SEEM TO GET PAST YOUR PROBATION PERIOD FOR SOME REASON.
JUST LIKE WITH PRIVATE SECURITY COMPANY CONTRACTOR JOBS.

THESE B******* MAKE ME SICK WHEN I READ ABOUT ALL OF THE GOOD, WELL-MEANING PEOPLE WHO THESE PEOPLE HAVE GROUND UP AND SPIT OUT!

YOU REALLY SHOULD HAVE SECURED YOUR GEAR BETTER, HOWEVER.

THE JOBS AROUND HERE GOT SO CUTTHROAT AND BLACKLISTING AND CROOKED AND CHECK SKIMMING AND STEALING FROM THE EMPLOYEES, THAT I JUST HAD TO ADOPT THE POLICY OF LOOKING OUT FOR MYSELF FIRST AND GET READY TO RUN IF I AM OFFERED ANY MORE MONEY.

I SERIOUSLY DO NOT EXPECT TO STAY ON A JOB MORE THAN THE PROBATION PERIOD THESE DAYS. TOO MANY PEOPLE, NOT ENOUGH JOBS.

I WILL GET EVERYTHING I CAN GET FROM THESE FOLKS -- TRAINING, INFORMATION, ETC. BECAUSE I AM JUST DISPOSABLE TRASH TO THEM. THEY CAN RAVE ABOUT THEIR GREAT BENNIES AND PERKS AND PROMISE ME THE MOON, SUN AND ALL THE STARTS BECAUSE THEY WILL NOT LET ME STAY THERE LONG ENOUGH TO GET THEM.

IT'S A SCAM AND THEY HAVE INDEFINITE PEOPLE TO RUN THROUGH.

THEY HAVE NO DAMNED LOYALTY FOR ME SO WHY SHOULD I HAVE ANY FOR THEM?

NO EMPLOYER APPRECIATES HARD WORK, LOYALTY, HONESTY OR ANYTHING THAT MADE YOU REALLY LOOK FORWARD TO GOING TO WORK AND ACTUALLY PRODUCING SOMETHING AND THINKING ABOUT HOW YOU COULD MAKE YOUR EMPLOYER EVEN MORE MONEY.

I AM AFRAID THOSE DAYS ARE OVER.

THIS GENERATION OF YUPPIE EMPLOYERS DO NOT WANT EMPLOYEES -- THEY WANT CHINESE SLAVE LABORERS OR ROBOTS.

I HOPE THEY ROT IN HELL AND THOSE RIP-OFF FIENDS STRAIGHT FROM HELL FROM THAT C.W. ENGLAND TRUCKING COMPANY AND ALL OF THOSE OTHER SCAM TRUCKING COMPANIES THAT MAKE HUGE PROFITS OUT OF THE BLOOD,. SWEAT, TEARS AND BROKEN HEARTS OF THE PEOPLE THEY LIE TO AND CHEAT TO GET THEM TO WORK FOR THEM.

I HOPE THEY ARE CURSE AND PUT OUT OF BUSINESS AND THAT THEY HAVE TO EXPERIENCE THE SAME HORRIBLE THINGS THEY SUBJECTED THEIR EMPLOYEES TO.

THESE PEOPLE ARE TOO DECADENT, CORRUPT AND JUST PLAIN EVIL TO BE IN BUSINESS!
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#7 UPDATE EX-employee responds

Don't take this on yourself!

AUTHOR: Disgusted In Nm - (U.S.A.)

Don't waste a nanosecond being sorry that you disappointed C R England! You're not the first--or by far the last--to suffer inconvenience, hardship, humiliation, or financial stress at the hands of this company. My story is similar, so I won't bother getting into it. The fact is, C R England has probably wounded more lives than any other major player in the trucking industry, and that's saying a lot! Trucking used to be a good way to make a living. Now all of the major companies simply take your money, chew you up, and spit you out.

Don't take any of the blame on yourself, and not being as generous as you are, I wouldn't waste a prayer on the England family. It's not as if they don't know what's going on....
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