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Complaint Review: CALIFORNIA SUPERIOR COURT JUDGE OF RIVERSIDE COUNTY, HONORABLE THOMAS H. CAHRAMAN

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  • Submitted: Sat, April 09, 2005
  • Updated: Wed, July 06, 2005

  • Reported By:IRVINE California
CALIFORNIA SUPERIOR COURT JUDGE OF RIVERSIDE COUNTY, HONORABLE THOMAS H. CAHRAMAN
4050 MAIN STREET, DEPARTMENT 08 RIVERSIDE, California U.S.A.

HONORABLE THOMAS H. CAHRAMAN, CALIFORNIA SUPERIOR COURT JUDGE OF RIVERSIDE COUNTY JUDGE ORDERS DAUGHTER-IN-LAW TO REMAIN IN HOME OF HER FATHER-IN-LAW & ORDERS FATHERS SON OUT! RIVERSIDE California

*Consumer Suggestion: Personal Responsibility. legal red tape

*Consumer Comment: Why not have your dad's lawyer explain it to us?

*Consumer Suggestion: Where is the Beef?

*Consumer Comment: Still no supporting evidence

*Consumer Comment: TITLE SEARCH ....? before you jump the gun

*Consumer Comment: Still no evidence of such a lawsuit

*Consumer Comment: It's a Civil Case...Look under John DiCostanzo..better yet go to the address at 2700 Camelia Court, Chino and see who is living there

*Consumer Comment: No record of such a lawsuit

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My brother, Jay, was married for four (4) years to Debbra Fromdahl. My father, John, purchased a house for them to live in. My Dad has done this for all of his children at one time or another. Each one of us pays him rent every month based on what we can afford. My Dad'd properties are all in his name and listed as Trust.

Debbra files for divorce from my brother and sues my Dad for HIS house. This Judge ordered my brother out and her to stay and make the rental payment to my Dad until it is decided who the house will be awarded to. A lein has been placed on the house by this Judge so my Dad can't do anything with it. The topper is my Dad is ordered to pay ALL her attorney fees.

How crazy is this? My Dad says he's gong to write a book on how to get a house for FREE.

Where is the justice here? My Dad has worked hard for many years to be able to help all his 5 children out when they needed it and now, his savings is slowly dwindling because of attorney fees.

I was married for six years and when I divorced, I remained in the Condo that was in my Dad's name and my ex never tried to claim ownership. Same scenario with my sister. What am I missing here......... if you own property in your name it can be taken away from you because the judge just happens to like short skirts?

My family and I really need help here. My Dad also has Lymphoma, he is extremely healthy and it is the slow progressing type, but he doesn't need this huge burden. I don't know where else to turn.

Dee
IRVINE, California
U.S.A.

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#1 Consumer Suggestion

Personal Responsibility. legal red tape

AUTHOR: Dave - (U.S.A.)

I suppose the judge is doing the best he can because there is so much legal red tape that prevents him from acting on the natural assumptions that A) your dad owns the house and B) your brother and sister-in-law have just been paying rent to him. You mentioned something about them ultimately owning the house. I imagine that there's no "legal" lease or rental agreement.

My suggestion is that someone who cares for both members of the ex-couple (you, for example) approach the girl and offer to help her find a place to live so that she doesn't have to bear the anger and hatred of so many people. Your dad, I'm guessing, has turned to the court system for help in this matter by attempting to evict her, which I believe is a mistake. The courts offer an often ineffective and divisive method of forcing people to cooperate and increase our tax burden to boot. Personal responsibility dictates respect for each other and indefinite pursuit of a solution without resorting to force or violence.

When a married couple decides to stop being married, their personal responsibility becomes even more important. Divorce court unfortunately acts as a crutch in this area, encouraging them to be less personally responsible and rely instead on law enforcement to get the best of their new enemy.

The Rip-off report is a mostly open-forum in which assertions can be made in public view. This tends to make people more honest and compells them to be reasonable and take responsibilty. Appeal to relatives and friends of the girl to discuss the problems here and find a solution without wasting so much money.

Maybe the girl will make a good tenant and your brother can spend his rent somewhere else. Maybe a crumb of goodwill from someone that cares for your dad will change her mind about fighting for something she shouldn't get in the end anyway.

You know, we're all victims here because the court system runs off of our taxes and exists only because people like either your brother or your sister-in-law (or both) don't take responsibility to solve their problems on their own.
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#2 Consumer Comment

Why not have your dad's lawyer explain it to us?

AUTHOR: Larry - (U.S.A.)

I am not a lawyer but I do have considerable experience with the courts. I just hate it when a non-attorney tries to explain a court case because they never -- and I mean never -- get it right. The person posting this report is not even a party to any of the proceedings, so her knowledge of these cases is second-hand at best.

In any divorce case when both spouses claim possession of the home they shared prior to the divorce, the judge will normally order one or the other to find another place to live while the divorce case is pending. Emotions run high in divorce cases and two warring spouses under the same roof is a recipe for murder. Unfortunately, the husband is usually the one ordered to move out pending final judgment. If your father owns the home and she has no lawful claim to it, she will probably be ordered out after the scheduled hearing regarding title to the home.

I can only guess who was suing who for what in that eviction case but it sounds like Dad lost. Did he try to make an end run around the family court judge's order by filing for eviction in another court? If that's the situation, he's lucky that he did not end up in the slammer for interferring in the family court case.
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#3 Consumer Suggestion

Where is the Beef?

AUTHOR: Karlton - (U.S.A.)

Dee just post the case numbers, I can't find them either. We would like ot help but we need to see the case first.
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#4 Consumer Comment

Still no supporting evidence

AUTHOR: Carl - (U.S.A.)

Perhaps I wasn't sufficiently clear. I did look at the dockets to both the family law case and the civil case. I stand by my previous comments. You are making a lot of statements that are simply not supported by the records available on the court's website.
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#5 Consumer Comment

TITLE SEARCH ....? before you jump the gun

AUTHOR: Dee - (U.S.A.)

Carl,

Needless to say I am not happy about my ex-sister-in-law......but it's the Judge who ordered my brother out of my Dad's house while they do this TITLE SEARCH. Read all the MINUTES under DICOSTANZO vs DICOSTANZO for both CIVIL and FAMILY COURTS before you jump the gun with your comments.
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#6 Consumer Comment

Still no evidence of such a lawsuit

AUTHOR: Carl - (U.S.A.)

I did a name search for the name your presented. The only civil lawsuit involving a John DiCostanzo was an eviction lawsuit and it appearas that the judge is waiting for the title to the property to be decided in the divorce matter. The civil court is not who you should be upset with, it is your ex sister-in-law that you should be upset with.
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#7 Consumer Comment

It's a Civil Case...Look under John DiCostanzo..better yet go to the address at 2700 Camelia Court, Chino and see who is living there

AUTHOR: Dee - (U.S.A.)

This is a separate case from my brothers divorce. It is now in Civil Court, not Family Court which is where this Judge tried to make a ruling. Check it out....it's there.
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#8 Consumer Comment

No record of such a lawsuit

AUTHOR: Carl - (U.S.A.)

The records of the Riverside Superior Court are available online. Although the divorce was finalized in 1997, there is no evidence of any lawsuit where your brother's ex is claiming title to be your dad's property.
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