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Complaint Review: CR ENGLAND

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  • Submitted: Sat, July 12, 2008
  • Updated: Sun, July 13, 2008

  • Reported By:Orem Utah
CR ENGLAND
4701 West 2100 South West Valley, Utah U.S.A.

CR ENGLAND C.R England. Drive Life means Highway to Hell. West Valley Utah

*Consumer Comment: I wish I had a Dollar....

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Beware!! C.R.England can only be compared to making a deal with the devil. First, the company offers these great figures. Make up to .50 a mile. They say you can make money within 3 weeks. Drive the best equipment on the road. The pile just gets deeper from there. Its been over 5 years since I turned in my "Dream Truck" but the Nightmare still hasn't ended.
I began my experience with C.R England in July of 2002. At that time job prospects were low. you remember why. Newspaper was full of scams. Well these guys spend a lot of money on advertising because they are real hard to miss. They look like a company that's really successful. So how could I go wrong? I had prior experience. Six Years but it had been a few since I drove. I needed retraining because it had been to long. Well as desperate as I was for work I did what I had to. I went through their Driving school.
There is a lot of horror stories about this experience in itself believe me! The training consists of mostly classroom time. For every 5 minutes of trucking theories you recieved you got 30 minutes of company policies and figures based on top earners "the best of the best." How much of that income was recieved by blowing upper Management I will never know. More then half the Students I started with, about 40 didn't make it. Run out the front door by security for many differant reasons. I remember feeling bad for them. But they were the more fortunate ones. They could move on without any contracts. But many of these individuals were bussed in from all over and in dire strates only to be cast out the front door. Many end up at local truck stops looking for a ride home. I passed everything got my CDL and now was waiting for my trainer. About a week later I get a call. Do you mind going over the road with a female trainer? I thought about it for a minute, then replied whatever I just want to get to work. So three days later I get picked up at the local truck stop by this 400 pound person thats sposed to be a woman. Seven years with the company covered in patches, super trucker all that jazz. To be polite I tried to act impressed. I spent 5 weeks on her truck making her lots of money why I got per diem. 110 dollars a week. Stepping out of her truck was like being paroled. Freedom at last! This woman scared the hell out of me. Anybody remember Peewee Hermans Big Adventure? Large Marge ring a bell? Oh she was much worse! She would freak out for no reason. I slept while she drove and vise versa. I remember 3 times being thrown from my bunk because of emergengy braking, her yelling stupid four wheeler. I woke up and opened the curtain one time and picture this; 400 is no exaggeration in weight, her left leg up on the right one, cell phone in left hand on ear sandwich(subway footlong I think, but not following jareds advise) in right hand. Five pounds of pastrami on that sandwich at least. Traveling 65 on freeway weaving back and forth driving with elbows. I think she had trouble deciding whether to put the phone down or the sandwich to pick up the lit cigerette. She was not setting a good example, Was she? Is this what super truckers do? Juggle food, phones and smokes. One time she was in cruise control, standing in middle of truck looking for something in overhead compartment. Truck was all over the road. This was someone that went to all the safety meetings. She had many patches to prove it. I got yelled at for using the jake brake on sisters in wyoming one time because I hadn't been trained to use it yet. I could go on all day and night about Fat Bastards twin sister but I'm moving on.
I just got dropped off at Salt lakes Terminal after 5 weeks with Shamu. I go home and wait for my truck assignment. Break Down 110 dollars a week over 7 days minus food, phone cards coffee and smokes and you still got nothing. I get a key for a truck, has the truck number on it. They send me out looking through hundreds of trucks out back only to find out its parked in Arkansas. No sh*t. Abandoned at a truck stop in F** Arkansas. Well I get a choice wait for a few more days or ride with another driver that would drop me off. I chose to ride. Dumb ass DM routes him through 20 states, 5 differant loads before I end up in Arkansas. About Ten Days. I drove his Truck 40 percent of that time. About a month later I got about a tenth of that money. This truck was left there by someone who was pissed off and abandoned this truck. How clean could it be? Well it started up, no vandalisom at least. But what a mess! Trash everywhere, smelled like hot sick a*s! Well as a company driver driving legal at the max you could make 400 a week minus taxes, cash advances and so on. so after two months of this I realize I'm not making enough to cover child support ( 800 a month) and myself living on the road. I had borrowed a lot of money from family members up to this point and was far from being able to pay them back at this time. So Being optamistic I try the lease program thinking I can make more. Big mistake! I began running way over dot hours. I was not getting income for up to six weeks because they took so long to process trip packs. So in Febuary the next year after 7 months of this dead end venture I turn the truck back in and head home because I'm worth more as a babysitter for my kids than a truck driver for cr england. However, I had signed an agreement for trucking school tuition. I didnt have 1600 dollars for tuition so I signed an agreement with credit union one a credit union operated by cr england. In the contract it states that if you can complete two years of service with the company the company would pay the tuition. But the loan would be for 5000 at 18% interest. All payments deducted during employment were baloon payments on the interest. So now here it is july 2008. Nearing the 6 years of statute of limitations and I recieve a letter from an attorney demanding 12ooo. Well if I pay that now. That amount would equal 3 times the net income i made during the seven months In which I drove over 80000 miles. What do you think? Does the "Drive Life" for cr england sound good to you? I make over 60000 now driving for a local company.

Tiredofallthebull
Orem, Utah
U.S.A.

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#1 Consumer Comment

I wish I had a Dollar....

AUTHOR: Anthony - (U.S.A.)

...for all the stories I have read like this.

Yours was entertaining to read however, because it's clear that you have a good sense of humor, and you hold your head up despite adversity. I like that.

As to your current issue, where you are being hounded for tuition by the credit union, it gets a little more sticky, because you are local to them. You are more likely than most to be gone after more fiercely than they would those from outside the general vicinity of Salt Lake City.

Hopefully, you have kept all the records of your wonderful pay that you received for all the time that you worked there, and copies of the contract(s) you signed. If so, I would bide my time and see what they do. It's highly possible that they will seek a judgment, and if so, I would advise you to seek the wisdom and advice of an Attorney.

Don't necessarily hire one, unless they can assure you that they can wiggle you out out of the obligation. Hindsight is 20/20, as we all know.

My personal feeling is that if a Judge were informed in the slightest to the practices of this horrible company, and the way they rope people into economic submission, combined with a very well publicized record of abusing people who are simply trying to improve their lives, and then forcing them to weeks upon weeks of little or no pay, it would be tossed out.

I have nothing but contempt for CR England, despite the fact that I have never had any association with them, because I have read so much in regard to the misery that people have endured at the hands of those that run that slave ship.

Right here on this site, is a testimonial by a woman who was hired along with her husband, but split up for training. She was placed with a male trainer, who violently raped her, and CR England fired her for it.

I remember a few years back, reading a story that made all the national networks, of a desperate man who CR England was attempting to fire, and when he had run out fuel because they had cut off his fuel card, he basically went into stand-off mode with police out of pure desperation. After all that he had been through with that company, he still wanted to try and keep working.

All of this goes to describe a company that is only interested in making as much cash off as many people as they can, without taking any care whatsoever in seeing to it that people are treated like humans.

They do not screen those that train other drivers. They do not pay a living wage to most of their drivers. They constantly advertise for drivers, and bank on the ignorance of people, unaware to the pitfalls that exist in regard to that company, a whole as wide as the Grand Canyon.

The day that CR England closes it's doors, will be as big a triumph for the trucking industry, as it may have been to this nation, when the Civil War ended.

To anyone reading this thread, don't think you are exempt or can avoid what thousands of people have gone through with this company. Don't pick up the phone and allow them to sell you to them.

As I always offer, you can disregard a few negative reports, but you can't ignore hundreds or thousands. Run the name of this company through a search engine, and spend a little time reading about them.

And then try to imagine how many people who have been victimized by them, did not file reports about them on sites like this. They couldn't afford their electric bill, much less internet service after leaving CR England.

"Tiredofallthebull", I wish you the best, and I hope everything stays on track for you. At least the good that came out of your experience, was that you are back in a truck, and making a decent living.
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