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  • Submitted: Fri, May 16, 2008
  • Updated: Tue, July 08, 2008

  • Reported By:Salt Lake City Utah
CR England & Sons Trucking Company
4700 West 2100 South West Valley, Utah U.S.A.

CR England & Sons Trucking Company violates DOT law, pushes truck lease to save money, terminates your lease without merit West Valley Utah

*Consumer Comment: Let's take this line by line...

*UPDATE Employee: CR England & Sons Trucking Company

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Looking to get your CDL and drive the big rigs. This is by far the worse trucking company in the world for drivers. THey push you to violate DOT regs. THey force you to team drive every load so its on the move 24/7. THey have hundreds of fatal accidents on record. The training is both ineffectual and expensive. When they terminate your lease they steal your stuff and charge you thousands of dollars to repaint a 6 month old perfect condition truck. Charge $500 dollars to verify the odometer. THese rip off artists have scamed thousands of new drivers out of millions of dollars, Stay away...........heres the real irony......they claim to be Mormons....olde Joesph Smith would turn over in his grave if he knew what this family if thieves was up to.

Utahdave
Salt Lake City, Utah
U.S.A.

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#1 Consumer Comment

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AUTHOR: Anthony - (U.S.A.)

...because I smell a rat. You're not a driver with CR England. You're a "plant".

BananaRunner said: "CRE does NOT violate DOT regulations nor do they pressure a driver to do so. No one can force a driver to violate DOT regulations.....NO ONE! Usually only one thing motivates a driver to violate DOT regulations....GREED!"

I say: Regardless of the reasons that exist for it, CR England, Inc. endures a safety inspection selection rating of 99. That's only one point of being as bad as it can get. For sure there are drivers that violate the rules willingly, but when it gets that high, it is due to a company turning a blind eye to safety issue that the company can control. When you see a rating this high, it is also for certain that drivers, for whatever reason, violate safety rules because they are not making a decent enough living to do it legally.

And for the record, this is not the first time someone has offered that CR England, Inc. coerces drivers to violate the HOS rules. The web is literally full of accusations in regard to this issue.

BananaRunner said: "To claim that their training is less effective and more expensive than other truck driving schools or other trucking company training programs is both naive and deceptive. "

I say: California revoked the CDL's of hundreds of those who had obtained training through CR England, Inc's school in California, for the very reason that the training course was insufficient as determined by the state.

As to the cost, compared to tuition of most technical colleges that offer CDL training and placement, the costs charged by CR England, Inc. are excessive, considering the inferior training that CR England, Inc. offers. Not one of their training facilities is accredited by any institution that evaluates them for course standards. None.

BananaRunner said: "1) CR England only charges a $50 administration fee upfront.....most others charge $150."

Any "administration fee" charged is a rip-off, plain and simple. There is no justification for any fee, other than to pick the pockets of those seeking a new career.

BananaRunner said: "2) CR England charges $1995-$2995 (depending on payment method) for the training.....most others charge $4000+ for the same training."

I say: Community colleges and many technical colleges serving in-state residents in many areas of the country charge less than a thousand dollars in tuition costs, with superior training, more time behind the wheel, and they are placed with companies with better reputations and working conditions.

BananaRunner said: "I have never yet seen a returned 6 month old 'lease truck' that was in perfect condition, especially the paint! Leasers tend to treat their equipment 'rougher' than company drivers since it is 'their own truck'. For your information, a basic paint job for a Freightliner Century XL is in excess of $4,000 from any decent truck painting business."

I say: There is no way that you can convince me that the paint on a six month old truck degenerates to any degree, and if it does, that is an issue to take up with Freightliner, and not the driver. CR England is no more repainting 6 month old trucks, than I am. My current Freightliner is three years old, and the paint is perfect on it.

I also challenge your statement that those who consider a truck to be "theirs" treat it more roughly. The opposite is more likely the case, and it always has been. People that have no tangible interest in the equipment they drive, are more likely to deface it.

CR England, Inc. is ripping off any driver if they claim that they have to repaint any vehicle, with the exception being in the case of any physical damage that is repaired to restore the truck to a condition that it was received in. Paint and any deterioration thereof is considered a "normal wear and tear" item in most lease agreements. Apparently, CR England, Inc. does not recognize this, and it is a basis for anyone reading this to exclude them from any consideration whatsoever on that basis alone.

Furthermore, paint on a six month old truck that was deficient would be under warranty by the manufacturer. Rip-off doesn't begin to describe this one. It's grand theft.

BananaRunner said: "Odometer verifications are expensive for anyone. $750 is the average charge for that job."

I say: Now this one takes the cake. It is a clear and concise rip-off. The odometer readings on all class eight trucks manufactured after the year 2000 are read via the Electronic Control Module (ECM). There is no way for any driver to tamper with them and the data contained in the ECM that records total mileage of a truck can only be accessed by those people licensed to access such information. Every access to the ECM must be recorded by the dealer and every aspect of such access must be databased.

I find no legitimate reason for CR England, Inc. to be "verifying" anything related to the odometer, and instead conjured this one up specifically to eat up anything due back to a driver from escrow funds. It's a rip-off from start to finish.

BananaRunner said: "CRE has not scammed anyone out of anything. Their leasing program has been challenged in court on several occasions and the only problem ever found with it by a court was certain wording regarding the use of binding arbitration and that was corrected 2 1/2 years ago. The 'new drivers' sign contracts that clearly spell out everything in black and white. It is NOT CRE's responsibility to make sure the 'new driver' actually reads and understands the contract. It is, however, the responsibility of the driver to make sure he understands what he/she is signing (although simple math shows that the only way to make great money as a leaser is to either have a 2nd seat driver or become an OTR trainer)."

I say: An agreement written into any contract that requires "binding arbitration" is only indication that when a person finds out that they have been screwed, that they will have no recourse against them in a court of law. Suffice it to say that one that signs in agreement to it, is giving up their rights to redress grievances in a fair and impartial manner. Personally, the second I see that condition written into a contract, I stand up and leave. I know right then and there that the contract is a bad one.

And you're right, it's not CR England's responsibility to explain a thing, nor see to it that anything written is understood. In fact, CR England has sustained their ability to remain in business by counting on the ignorance of people considering their leasing program.

To date, I have yet to read ONE contract by ANY company that leases trucks to drivers under either a simple lease or a lease-to-own arrangement, that was not skewed completely in favor of the motor carrier offering it. Each and every one of the motor carriers out there offering such leases, including CR England, Inc., offers them for one reason. They offer them to transfer the operating costs of running a truck onto the back of the driver, and they are also exempted from offering compensation and benefits to the driver as well. Very few drivers have ever completed these programs, most wind up in debt to the IRS, most lose credit standings that they previously enjoyed due to extremely diminished net income, and a great portion of drivers that enter into these kind of arrangements wind up filing for bankruptcy.

Simple math tells me, after many years of analyzing several contracts, including that offered by CR England, Inc., that they are total rip-offs, and riddled with fees and inordinate charges that no one in their right mind should ever agree to.

BananaRunner said: "So, in conclusion, you can blame CRE for all your ills if you wish. You would be much better off in the long run if you acknowledge your failings, accept responsibility, find a new occupation and make a better life for yourself."

I say: To anyone reading this, make a better life for yourself by avoiding this rip-off company - a company that has to consistently advertise for warm bodies, because the revolving door throughout the entire company that is constantly being pushed by those coming and going, requires a steady drip from 55 gallon drums of oil to keep the bearings from burning out.

Their driving schools are what keeps this company in business, and they are a dead-end proposition. Any one person's chance of being employed with this company up to six months, is less than five percent. Your chances of being with them after six months, ESPECIALLY if you allow them to rope you into their leasing program, which will be pushed at every opportunity by management staff, is almost zero.

You simply can't AFFORD to work for CR England, Inc.

BananaRunner said: "Truck driving is not for everyone and it shouldn't be. It's not a vacation job, it isn't glamorous and it's not a get-rich-quick method. If you need regular time off, need to be close to home, want to be acknowledged for everything you do right, need to earn $100,000 this next year or don't like a challenge, then trucking is NOT for you!"

I say: Most people that seek to work within the trucking industry understand that it is not a vacation, that it is not glamorous, and that it will be a challenge.

But the simple fact is, that when they enter into this industry, they do so seeking to make a fair and decent living. Another fact is that most drivers that work for CR England, Inc. make a very substandard living.

CR England, Inc. does not offer working conditions or compensation under any criteria that meets most people's expectations, and the sheer number of complaints that have been offered by hundreds, if not thousands of people, are living proof enough of that fact.

I urge anyone considering this company to do a simple online search, as well as taking the time to read other reports that can be found on this site, to get a glimpse of the truth surrounding this company.
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AUTHOR: Bananarunner - (U.S.A.)

CR England & Sons Trucking Company is non-existent. I am presuming that you meant CR England, Inc.
I have driven for CRE for 3 years now and have many friends and family members who drive truck for a variety of companies. I can tell you that CRE is NOT even close to being the worst! You want a company worse than CRE to drive for, try JB Hunt, Swift, CRST or Schneider.....you'll wish you were back driving for CRE!

CRE does NOT violate DOT regulations nor do they pressure a driver to do so. No one can force a driver to violate DOT regulations.....NO ONE! Usually only one thing motivates a driver to violate DOT regulations....GREED!

As for CRE forcing you to team drive every load, I want to see where your arm was broken by them. There are hundreds of solo drivers who drive for CRE and NEVER have to team a load. Team drivers get load assignments that deliver sooner for obvious reasons and a team is SUPPOSED to keep the truck moving 24/7 as much as possible! That's the whole idea behind team driving!!

I do not know where you got the inaccurate information that CRE has hundreds of fatal accidents on record. According to SafeStat, the FMCSA's safety analysis system, CRE has only had 16 fatal accidents during the past 2 years (67% of those accidents were not the truck drivers faults).....lower than most other trucking companies of the same size. Information prior to that date is NOT available to the public.

To claim that their training is less effective and more expensive than other truck driving schools or other trucking company training programs is both naive and deceptive.

1) CR England only charges a $50 administration fee upfront.....most others charge $150.

2) CR England charges $1995-$2995 (depending on payment method) for the training.....most others charge $4000+ for the same training.

I am sure there was nothing of your "stuff" left on the truck that CRE wanted after your lease was terminated. It probably ended up in a dumpster! However, it is standard business practice in the trucking industry to require a driver to deliver the truck to the company's main terminal and to remove said property from a truck within 24 hours.

I have never yet seen a returned 6 month old "lease truck" that was in perfect condition, especially the paint! Leasers tend to treat their equipment "rougher" than company drivers since it is "their own truck". For your information, a basic paint job for a Freightliner Century XL is in excess of $4,000 from any decent truck painting business.

Odometer verifications are expensive for anyone. $750 is the average charge for that job.

CRE has not scammed anyone out of anything. Their leasing program has been challenged in court on several occasions and the only problem ever found with it by a court was certain wording regarding the use of binding arbitration and that was corrected 2 1/2 years ago. The "new drivers" sign contracts that clearly spell out everything in black and white. It is NOT CRE's responsibility to make sure the "new driver" actually reads and understands the contract. It is, however, the responsibility of the driver to make sure he understands what he/she is signing (although simple math shows that the only way to make great money as a leaser is to either have a 2nd seat driver or become an OTR trainer).

7) As for being Mormon, the England's are indeed members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. Be that as it may, being a Mormon means about the same thing as being a Baptist, a Jew or an Atheist. It means that they are human beings with faults. As for Joseph Smith turning over in his grave, I'm sure he is.....from laughter! He was one of the biggest and best scam artists in US history! If CRE was actually scamming anyone, Joseph Smith would be the last person to knock them for it!

So, in conclusion, you can blame CRE for all your ills if you wish. You would be much better off in the long run if you acknowledge your failings, accept responsibility, find a new occupation and make a better life for yourself.

Truck driving is not for everyone and it shouldn't be. It's not a vacation job, it isn't glamorous and it's not a get-rich-quick method. If you need regular time off, need to be close to home, want to be acknowledged for everything you do right, need to earn $100,000 this next year or don't like a challenge, then trucking is NOT for you!
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