• Report: #1029335

Complaint Review: California Security Institute-Las Vegas Campus

  • Submitted: Thu, December 04, 2008
  • Updated: Sat, July 11, 2009

  • Reported By:Las Vegas Nevada
California Security Institute-Las Vegas Campus
W Warm Springs Rd Las Vegas, Nevada U.S.A.

California Security Institute-Las Vegas Campus I Graduated from there academy which is a 6 day training class.They promise after taking the class' that within two weeks of finishing the course,you'll get a job in the local Casinos. It's been two weeks for me and i have yet to get a job in the casinos or even an interview. Las Vegas Nevada

*Consumer Comment: You don't HAVE to go to the PHYSICAL LOCATION to reproduce what was on the WEBSITE

*UPDATE Employee: "JOE" ...never took any classes in any of our three locations. He is in Austin, Texas. We have no facilities in Texas.

*Consumer Comment: TO VANCE WHOEVER HE IS WHO CLAIMS TO REPRESENT THIS 'SCHOOL'

*Consumer Comment: Really?!?!?!?!

*UPDATE Employee: No person by the name of "Conway Trucker" has ever attended any class of CSI.

*UPDATE Employee: Very unhappy individual

*Consumer Comment: LIKE ANY OTHER VOCATIONAL SCHOOL, YOU PAY YOUR MONEY AND YOU TAKE YOUR CHANCES...IT'S LIKE VEGAS

*Consumer Comment: THE LAST SENTENCE ON THEIR OPENING PAGE STATES 'JOB PLACEMENT ASSISTANCE IS GUARANTEED!'

*Consumer Comment: Rip-Off indeed

*Consumer Comment: How Security Academies Usually Work

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I would not recommend this to any one. I took this course and have yet to find a casino job or have a interview for that matter. If ' you want to get a security casino job don't attend this school and spend your hard earned money. It is really a waste of time'since you will have to attend another academy when and if you get hired by a casino.

The Instructors say they know how to get you into a job,and that they have all these connections.I have yet to see one that will help you succeed in doing so. This is nothing but a big rip off. I feel i payed 800 dollars for nothing.

Conway trucker
Las Vegas, Nevada
U.S.A.

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#1 Consumer Comment

You don't HAVE to go to the PHYSICAL LOCATION to reproduce what was on the WEBSITE

AUTHOR: Joe - (U.S.A.)

I never visited California or Nevada in person.

I do not want to go to either place.

I went to the website and reproduced what was there.

And probably still us until they realize what was posted there and IF they were SMART, they will REMOVE IT.

But I am not so sure how smart they were there because ALL THE INFORMATION I GOT, I GOT OFF OF THEIR WEBSITE.

And I merely brought up the issue of looking under their financial aid tab to see what kind of financial aid they offered to their students. Found a LOT of GOOD stuff and some "I wonder why in the heck they put that under a FINANCIAL AID subject topic.

But the person who wants to TRAIN with these folks is the one who makes the ULTIMATE DECISION. NOT ME.

I just found some neat stuff on their website and thought people ought to look it up and find out for themselves.

You guys ought to read what you post.
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#2 UPDATE Employee

"JOE" ...never took any classes in any of our three locations. He is in Austin, Texas. We have no facilities in Texas.

AUTHOR: Vance - (U.S.A.)

I see no less that four manifestos here by "JOE" from Austin, Texas. This must be some disgruntled consumer who has nothing better to do with his time but ramble on and on in about nothing to give himself some sense of purpose. He obviously needs professional help. This is my last comment on this drivel.
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#3 Consumer Comment

TO VANCE WHOEVER HE IS WHO CLAIMS TO REPRESENT THIS 'SCHOOL'

AUTHOR: Joe - (U.S.A.)

I was agreeing with a lot of what you said.

I did NOT take CLASSES in your school because there was one very similar to it in Dallas, Texas and one in Austin,Texas and I used to see their ads on late night television and know if private security guards really did that sort of stuffi in TEXAS, they would be going to jail.

Unless it is to save a life, your business is ONLY on the post where you are assigned.Period.

I can get the same training for the same certificate for a few thousands dollars less because I will be getting the same insulting low pay and demeaning treatment whether I get the EXPENSIVE classes or the plain old back yard firing range in the country and cinderblock class room so why spend more when it will NOT benefit me.

NO, I was NOT fired from my last job.

I WAS SEVERELY INJURED ON THE JOB WHILE KEEPING A PREGNANT WOMAN AND HER TWO TODDLERS FROM BEING SLICED AND DICED WITH A MACHETE BY A DRUG-CRAZED PALO MAYOMBE PRACTITIONER. I chased him off of of my property and it was very dark there and I couldn't see the quart beer bottle in the darkness partially covered by the newspaper and I fell three feet onto tarmac and messed up both knees and my lower back. THEY DID NOT HAVE WORKERS COMPENSATION INSURANCE because IN TEXAS -- THEY DON"T HAVE TO...

And it was A WHOLE YEAR BEFORE I COULD SEE A PHYSICIAN BECAUSE I WAS NOT BEING PAID ENOUGH TO HAVE HEALTH INSURANCE... EVEN IF THEY HAD OFFERED IT.
And at another lousy private security guard contracting service I worked for, they DID offer it BUT the deductible was too high AND THEY FORGOT TO PAY THE PREMIUMS. I don't know how in the hell they thought they could get away with it.

By the time I COULD SEE THE PHYSICIAN PAID FOR BY THE TAXPAYERS BECAUSE THE ********** EMPLOYERS HAD FILED BANKRUPTCY AND GONE OUT OF BUSINESS because of several other incidents including fines form the State Board for non-compliance,etc. I HAD OSTEOARTHRITIS AS A DIRECT RESULT OF THOSE INJURIES AND HAD TO GET INTO A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT LINE OF WORK.

Prior to that, I had 20 years working in the private Security GUARD INDUSTRY and some of those were spent as a PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR and I have obtained additional training so I am not your typical functional illiterate sekoority gard.
I have been an operations manager and a troubleshooter who saves the posts that the incompetence of others nearly caused the company to lose for them.

And I have lost track of all of the no-good sorry *******s iin this industry I have worked for.

I think i would rather have worked for the Marcellos Crime Family because I think they would have treated me better.

AND VINCE WRITES:

Very unhappy individual

I THINK YOU WOULD BE TOO IF SOMEONE DID THIS TO YOU. AND THE B**** WHO MADE IT ALL POSSIBLE CAME BACK TO TEXAS AFTER THE STATUTE OF LIMITATIONS HAD EXPIRED AND PEOPLE ARE GETTING HURT AND EVEN DYING BECAUSE OF HER BAD JUDGMENTS AND NOTHING IS DONE. ONE OF THEM WAS MY COUSIN SO YOU BET YOUR *** I AM UNHAPPY! SHE HIDES BEHIND A CHILD WHO IS A POLICE OFFICER.

I have no idea who 'Joe' from Austin, Texas is. Between the three facilities of CSI (San Francisco, Los Angeles, and Las Vegas) there have been no less than 300 named 'Joe', and none from Austin Texas. This rambling commentary obviously took some time to put together three different times over several months. Someone who has that much time to spew that much hate and discontent apparently dosn't need a job anyway.

I HAVE NO DESIRE TO WORK IN A CASINO OR ANYWHERE ORGANIZED CRIME OCCURS. I GREW UP IN NEW ORLEANS LOUISIANA AND I HAD RELATIVES WHO WERE CONNECTED SO WHO ARE YOU TRYING TO KID! IT TOOK ME ONLY A FEW MINUTES TO WRITE.

'Joe', or whoever he is should know that if he took this class anytime since we started over eight years ago that he could come back and we will work with him to help him get a job at no cost to him; even if he was fired from his last job. We have trained over 2000 security officers in that 8 year period and during that time and 80% of those graduates were employed within two weeks of graduation I have discovered one inalienable truth during that time: 20% of the people taking this class don't really want a job. They are willing to pay the training cost just so they will have someone to blame for their ongoing failures in life.

IT IS INSANITY TO FREQUENT A PLACE WHERE THE ODDS ARE CONSISTENTLY STACKED AGAINST YOU AND THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT PRIVATE CONTRACT SECURITY GUARD SERVICES DO HERE I ACTUALLY WANTED TO SEE IF THEY WERE ALL ALIKE SO I WORKED FOR AS MANY AS I COULD AND THEY ALL DO THE SAME THING!

I DID GIVE THEM ALL A FAIR CHANCE. MUCH TO MY DETRIMENT.

This is the main reason that we offer 'Job placement assistance' and not a guaranteed job. We charge only for the training, not for job placement assistance, that is free, a courtesy.

THAT IS WHAT I SAID. THERE ARE NO GUARANTEES IN LIFE. IF THEY WANT TO WORK FOR A CASINO, THEY NEED TO UNDERSTAND HOW PLAYING THE ODDS WORKS. NOTHING GUARANTEES YOU A JOB ANYWHERE DOING ANYTHING IN TODAY'S ECONOMY. I AGREE WITH YOU ON THAT.

Think about it this way. Job training is a 'tool', how you use that tool will determine the success or failure of the 'tool' and the user. The graduate is given the 'tool', instructions on how to use it, and projects to work on with the tool to create something valuable. If one doesn't use the 'tool' or misuses it, no good will come of it.

THIS IS TRUE OF ANY SCHOOL. YOU PAYS YOUR MONEY AND YOU TAKES YOUR CHANCES... JUST LIKE A ROULETTE WHEEL AT THE CASINO. IT JUST SEEMS THAT IT IS RIGGED AGAINST CERTAIN RACES, GENDERS, ETHNICITIES, ETC.

If you have ever hit your thumb with a hammer or cut your hand carving a turkey, have you ever blamed the hammer or the knife? Of course not. There are those who do as ridiculous as that sounds.


NO, I BLAME THE CROOKS AND CRAZIES WHO RUN THE PRIVATE SECURITY INDUSTRY AND THE FEDS WHO NEED TO STEP IN AND REGULATE IT!

BUT YOU HAVE TO CONSIDER VALUE FOR THE MONEY. WILL THIS TRAINING HELP ME GET MORE MONEY? HERE IN TEXAS, IT IS NO!


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#4 Consumer Comment

Really?!?!?!?!

AUTHOR: The Wrench - (U.S.A.)

Vance, (I'm laughing as I write this) did you really search through your records for a "Conway Trucker"? It seems to me that, since you work for a security training company, you should be a little better at deductive reasoning than that. Hmmmmmm. Conway Trucker. Let's see. Conway is a shipping company that uses trucks. Trucker is an individual who drives a truck. Seems to me that you should be looking for an employee or ex-employee of Conway. Eh what the hell do I know though, I'm just a dumb mechanic. Now as far as job placement assistance, I agree that there are no guarantees, but perhaps maybe your company should have assisted him a little more in his job search, at least to make him feel like he got what he paid for.
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#5 UPDATE Employee

No person by the name of "Conway Trucker" has ever attended any class of CSI.

AUTHOR: Vance - (U.S.A.)

I have no idea who this person is. Out of over 2000 people over the past eight years, we have no record of anyone by that name ever attending any of our facilities in Las Vegas, San Francisco or Los Angeles. If he had in fact ever been a graduate, he would know that we do not guarantee employment. Only placement assistance. As a matter of statistic approximately 80% of our graduates are employed within the first two weeks. The other twenty percent seem to give up at the beginning or after a coulple of months. They just stop calling us for assistance. I don't know the reason for that. A lot of the time "persistence" will make it happen.
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#6 UPDATE Employee

Very unhappy individual

AUTHOR: Vance - (U.S.A.)

I have no idea who "Joe" from Austin, Texas is. Between the three facilities of CSI (San Francisco, Los Angeles, and Las Vegas) there have been no less than 300 named "Joe", and none from Austin Texas. This rambling commentary obviously took some time to put together three different times over several months. Someone who has that much time to spew that much hate and discontent apparently dosn't need a job anyway.

"Joe", or whoever he is should know that if he took this class anytime since we started over eight years ago that he could come back and we will work with him to help him get a job at no cost to him; even if he was fired from his last job. We have trained over 2000 security officers in that 8 year period and during that time and 80% of those graduates were employed within two weeks of graduation I have discovered one inalienable truth during that time: 20% of the people taking this class don't really want a job. They are willing to pay the training cost just so they will have someone to blame for their ongoing failures in life.

This is the main reason that we offer "Job placement assistance" and not a guaranteed job. We charge only for the training, not for job placement assistance, that is free, a courtesy.

Think about it this way. Job training is a "tool", how you use that tool will determine the success or failure of the "tool" and the user. The graduate is given the "tool", instructions on how to use it, and projects to work on with the tool to create something valuable. If one doesn't use the "tool" or misuses it, no good will come of it.

If you have ever hit your thumb with a hammer or cut your hand carving a turkey, have you ever blamed the hammer or the knife? Of course not. There are those who do as riduculous as that sounds.

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LIKE ANY OTHER VOCATIONAL SCHOOL, YOU PAY YOUR MONEY AND YOU TAKE YOUR CHANCES...IT'S LIKE VEGAS

AUTHOR: Joe - (U.S.A.)

I CAN'T SEE THAT ANY VOCATIONAL SCHOOL LIKE THIS WILL GUARANTEE YOU ANYTHING.

I LOOKED UNDER THEIR FINANCIAL AID TAB AND INSTEAD OF FINDING OUT WHETHER OR NOT THESE PEOPLE QUALIFY TO RECEIVE STUDENT LOANS, I FOUND "TESTIMONIALS" WRITTEN BY WHO KNOWS WHO... TESTIMONIALS DO NOT HAVE MUCH TO DO WITH FINANCIAL AID... BUT I TOOK THEM FROM THEIR SITE AND HERE IS WHAT THEY SAID:

Testimonials
Hear what our students say about us:

I graduated from California Security Institute in April of 2005. I went to work right away and I am now making $15.00 per hour as a Security Officer in the Ritchie-Chancery Building on Market Street. Without this training, I would never have come this far in the Security profession.

Monte Herrick, II - San Francisco
Professional Security Officer

I graduated from California Security Institute on November 4, 2005. I went to work right away at the San Francisco Airport a Screener. I am now employed as a hotel security officer through Placement Pros in San Franicsco. The training that I received a CSI has been invaluable in my duties as a professional security officer. I would recommend the training at CSI to anyone who is looking for a career in security.

Deshon Smith - San Francisco, CA
Professional Security Officer


PLACEMENT PROS SOUNDS LIKE A PLACEMENT AGENCY TO ME.

I graduated from California Security Institute on November 22, 2005. I value the training I received there. The professionalism, security skills and customer service techniques have helped me in my everyday activities.. This knowledge is valuable in any profession.

Wan Wah Chan - San Francisco, CA

DUDE, WHERE ARE YOU WORKING NOW?

I attended the day class of California Security Institute in April of 2006. I am now employed at the Fairmont Hotel as a professional security officer. I went to work the Monday following my graduation from class on Friday. I could not have done this without my training at California Security Institute training.

Ian Ford - Concord, CA
Professional Security Officer

WHO HELPED YOU FIND THE JOB?

I would recommend anyone entering the security profession to take this class. It will give you the knowledge necessary to do the job properly. This training has helped me a lot since I graduated on June 7, 2005.

Hugo Garcia - Vallejo, CA
Professional Security Officer

I graduated on March 10, 2006, from California Security Institute, Inc., on March 10, 2006. I am now working as a Professional Security Officer at the Westin St. Francis Hotel on Union Square in San Francisco, CA. I would recommend this class to anyone who wants to work in the luxury hotel venues. The training I received was invaluable.

Gavin Kelling - San Franicsco, CA
Professional Security Officer

I attended California Security Institute during the week of Jauary 9, 2006 and graduated on January 13, 2006. I am now employed at the Contra Costa County Superior Court in Martinez at a better than average hourly wage. I took my time in choosing a position to be certain that I secured the best job available. I am certain that the training I received at California Security Institute helped me achieve that goal. Thanks to my training at C.S.I., I am looking toward a very bright future.

Franklin Leone - San Francisco, CA.

I graduated from California Security Institute on August 18, 2006. I was employed right away as a security officer at a very comfortable salary at a location within walking distance of my home. I was told by the interviewer that my training and the certificate of graduation was instrumental in my being hired. I would recommend California Security Institute to anyone who is looking for a high end position in the security profession.

Marvin Dawson -South San Francisco, CA
Professional Security Officer

I graduated from California Security Institute on September 15, 2006, and I am now working at the Four Seasons Hotel in San Francisco. CSI, Inc., gave me the inside track on the skills and knowhow to be successful in the luxury hotel security field.

Megan McKinney - Alameda, CA
Professional Security Officer

I graduated on February 16, 2007 and went to work right away as a Security Officer at the Sheraton Palace Hotel in San Francisco. CSI- Security gave me the training and confidence I needed to secure that position. Thank you CSI for all you help.

Donald Woodard - San Francisco, CA
Professional Security Officer

I graduated from CSI Security on June 1, 2007, and was employed immediately by the Hyatt Regency Hotel at San Francisco Airport. CSI's training was the ticket that I needed to get hired at ths prstigious hotel. Thanks to CSI, I am on my way to a great career in luxury hotel security.

Mark Pacion
Professional Security Officer

I trained at California Security Training and graduated on October 23, 2007. The training I received was invaluable. I am now a professional security officer at the Park 55 Hotel in San Francisco at a better than average hourly wage with benefits.

Main Chee
Professional Security Officer

WRITTEN BY REAL PEOPLE OR A PROFESSIONAL COPYWRITER, YOU DECIDE.
I ALSO NOTICED THAT NO WHERE DID THEY SAY THE SCHOOL WENT OUT AND GOT THEM THE JOB FOR THEM. NO GUARANTEES.

NO TIPS ON HOW TO FINANCE THIS EDUCATION THAT YOU WILL BE GETTING THAT IS SUP0POSED TO BE SO VALUABLE.

I SHOULD SPEND THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS IN TRAINING TO GET A TWO-BIT, MINIMUM WAGE JOB WHERE I AM DISRESPECTED, TREATED LIKE INTERCHANGEABLE, DISPOSABLE GARBAGE AND SET UP, CHEATED OUT OF MY PAY, HAVE NO BENEFITS OR HEALTH INSURANCE PROTECTION WHATSOEVER THAT I CAN AFFORD AND ALL THE OTHER ABUSE THAT GOES WITH IT.


ALSO UNDER THE FINANCIAL AIDS TAB ON THEIR SITE, I FOUND THIS:

Security Resources
Links and Resources for the Security Industry

I AM NOT REPRODUCING THE LINKS. YOU CAN GO THERE AND SEE FOR YOURSELF, IF YOU REALLY CARE.

ASIS International

ASIS International is the preeminent organization for security professionals. Founded in 1955, ASIS is dedicated to increasing the effectiveness and productivity of security professionals by developing educational programs and materials that address broad security interests, such as the ASIS Annual Seminar and Exhibits, as well as specific security topics.
Worldwide Headquarters USA
1625 Prince Street, Alexandria, Virginia 22314-2818
Member Services: asis@asisonline.org
703.519.6200, fax 703.519.6299,

Job search on this site has jobs from Allied Barton ( Listed in Rip off Report WITH REASON)
ABM ( I worked for them for one day and I quite after I learned from employees at the site that ABM would not let you complete your probation period so you could get all of the neat benefits like employer paid health insurance, dental ,etc. that they PROMISE and if you manage to hang on, they will make your life a HARASSMENT HELL!)
Smith Protective Services, Inc. who LIES to you and DISCRIMINATES AGAINST AFRICAN AMERICANS AND WOMEN! ( I have had personal experience with these *******s!)

And I feel sure that ANY other job listed here would be with employers just as VILE, DISHONEST, DISCRIMINATORY and GENERALLY DESPICABLE!
THIS SITE APPEARS TO BENEFIT EMPLOYERS ONLY.

Maine Safety & Security Resources
ER, THIS SCHOOL SUPPOSEDLY TO BE LICENSED TO TRAIN PEOPLE IN CALIFORNIA. THIS SITE TELLS ABOUT MAINE. SEPARATE STATES, SEPARATE JURISDICTIONS.
Our website provides a wealth of information concerning safety and security for the home, office, and workplace. SAYS THE MAINE WEBSITE.

Hospitality Jobs Online

Hotel Job Resource

EQUATES SECURITY WITH CHEFS, ROOM ATTENDANTS, HOUSEKEEPERS, DISHWASHERS, FRONT DESK AND NIGHT AUDITOR PERSONNEL AND THE TREATMENT IS NOT MUCH BETTER, NOT EVEN IF YOU ARE IN -HOUSE.

Witherspoon Security Consulting
THIS GUY KNOWS WHAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT BUT HE IS BASED IN OHIO. THIS SCHOOL IS LOCATED IN CALIFORNIA. THIS GUY IS ONE SMART GUY AND I WOULD PROBABLY TRUST HIM. DOES HE KNOW THAT HIS WEBSITE IS POSTED HERE? WORTH READING IF YOU WANT TO DO HOTEL AND MOTEL AND POSSIBLY RESTAURANT SECURITY! NOT A RIP OFF.

Hotel Security - Tales from the Field
THIS IS ONE ARTICLE ABOUT ONE HOTEL SECURITY EXPERIENCE FROM ARTICLES BASE.IT DOES NOT MENTION THE MOBS OF ROWDY HIGH SCHOOL STUDENTS ON VARIOUS TRIPS OR THE COLLEGE KIDS ON A SPRING BREAK, DRUNK, ON DRUGS AND GENERALLY LOUD AND OBSCENE! IT DOESN'T MENTION THE DRUNK PEOPLE WHO ARE HELLBENT TO HURT YOU AND DISRESPECT YOU WHO THROW CHAIRS AND FULL CANS AND BOTTLES OF ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES AT YOU, THE PROSTITUTES OF BOTH GENDERS WHO WORK IN THE HOTELS, THE SUICIDES --AND THERE ARE PLENTY OF THOSE... YOU JUST GET A NICE LITTLE ARTICLE. AND G*D HELP YOU IF YOU HAVE A CELEBRITY WHO IS IN YOUR HOTEL FOR A STAY AND THE PUBLIC LEARNS THAT THEY ARE THERE.

Expert Commentary - Hotel Security: The Missing Amenity
Assessing Hotel Security
STARTS HALFWAY DOWN THE PAGE. GOOD ARTICLE.

BUT WHAT DOES IT HAVE TO DO WITH FINANCIAL AID TO ATTEND THIS SECURITY VOCATIONAL/TRADE SCHOOL IN CALIFORNIA? IT COULDN'T GET A LICENSE FROM THE CALIFORNIA STATE EDUCATIONAL AGENCY SO IT GOT A NON-PROFIT STATUS BECAUSE IT IS BEING OPERATED AS A PRIVATE, FAITH-BASED INSTITUTION? I DON'T KNOW AND I AM NOT SAYING IT IS, I WOULD LIKE SOMEONE TO CLARIFY THIS!

Cornell University, Institute for Hospitality Entrepreneurship
THIS IS A NAME-BRAND RESPECTED UNIVERSITY IN NEW YORK. IT IS NOT LOCATED IN CALIFORNIA.(((Redacted))) l IS WHERE YOU CAN FIND A LIST OF HOSPITALITY EMPLOYERS WHO HIRE. THE LINKS WORK AND THERE IS NO RIP OFF HERE. YOU HAVE WORK HARD TO FIND A LIST OF POTENTIAL EMPLOYERS ON THIS PAGE BECAUSE THIS SCHOOL ONLY WANTS THEIR GRADUATES TO KNOW ABOUT THIS. AND THIS SECURITY INSTITUTE IS NOT CORNELL.

Recession Proof Jobs

THIS LINK FROM YAHOO LISTS SECURITY AS A RECESSION-PROOF INDUSTRY. BUT WHAT SECURITY. HERE IS THE EXACT QUOTE:
Security. "Crime doesn't stop during a recession, and police officers, port security specialists and international security experts will continue to be in demand," Challenger emphasized.

PRIVATE SECURITY GUARDS NOT MENTIONED HERE.

AT THE BOTTOM OF THAT SAME PAGE, HERE IS MORE REALISTIC MATERIAL:

Three Signs of a Miserable Job

Anonymity: Employees feel anonymous when their manager has little interest in them as people with unique lives, aspirations, and interests.
IF SECURITY COMPANY MANAGERS TAKE AN INTEREST IN YOU IT IS TO SKIM YOUR CHECK, FIRE YOU AND BLACKBALL YOU!

Irrelevance: This condition occurs when workers cannot see how their job makes a difference. "Every employee needs to know that the work they do impacts someone's life -- a customer, a coworker, even a supervisor -- in one way or another."
PEOPLE GO OUT OF THEIR WAY TO DISRESPECT, INSULT, EXCLUDE AND CHALLENGE YOU MANY TIMES. YOUR JOB ONLY MAKES A DIFFERENCE AS IT HELPS YOU TO PAY RENT,. BUY GASOLINE FOR YOUR CAR AND HAVE A FEW GROCERIES TO EAT.

Immeasurement: This term describes the inability of employees to assess for themselves their contributions or success. As a result they often rely on the opinions of others -- usually the manager -- to measure their success.

Three Remedies for Job Misery

For workers who may be experiencing the signs of job misery, Lencioni recommends three steps to improve the boss-employee dynamic and enhance job satisfaction.

1. Assess your manager. Is the boss interested in and capable of addressing the three factors mentioned above? "Most managers really do want to improve, in spite of the fact that they may seem disinterested or too busy," Lencioni says.
NEW WAYS TO LIE TO YOU, SKIM YOUR CHECKS FIND NEW DEDUCTIONS THAT THEY CAN TAKE FROM THE EMPLOYEES AND PUT IN THEIR OWN POCKET IS THE ONLY WAY THEY WANT TO IMPROVE!

2. Help your manager understand what you need. This could mean reviewing with your manager what the key measurements for success are for your job. Lencioni also suggests asking your boss, "Can you help me understand why this work I'm doing makes a difference to someone?"
YOU ASK THIS QUESTION YOU WILL GUARANTEED TO BE FIRED! THIS IS THE BOTTOM OF THE BARREL WORK ANYWAY.
3. Act more like the manager you want. "Employees who take a greater interest in the lives of their managers are bound to infect them with the same kind of human interest they seek," the author says. Or find ways to let your manager know how his or her performance makes a positive difference for you.
WHEN YOU FIND OUT HOW MUCH THEY ARE STEALING FROM YOU, YOU WILL WANT TO TAKE A BASEBALL BAT TO THEM. IT IS NOT WORTH IT. YOU SHOULD QUIT AND HOPE THE NEXT SORRY EMPLOYER WON'T STEAL FROM YOU AND CHEAT FROM YOU QUITE AS MUCH.

Be Realistic

Richard Phillips, founder of Career Advantage Solutions, agrees that "managing up" is a good way to improve job satisfaction, but he cautions employees to be realistic in their expectations.

"Managers are not mind readers," he says. "Take the responsibility to communicate upon yourself, and remember there has to be an ongoing dialogue, or change is unlikely to happen."

IF YOU GET BAD FEELINGS ABOUT A SECURITY POST OR A SECURITY CONTRACTING COMPANY GET OUT AS SOON AS YOU CAN BECAUSE THEY WILL PROBABLY DO SOMETHING TO DO THAT IF IT DOESN'T COST YOU YOUR ABILITY TO HAVE A SECURITY OFFICER COMMISSION IN THE FIRST PLACE, WILL WRECK YOUR CREDIT AND YOUR LIFE AND ANY CHANCE TO GET A JOB ELSEWHERE. JUST LEAVE AND BE GLAD YOU DIDN'T WASTE ANY MORE OF YOUR LIFE AND YOUR TIME WITH THE SCUMBAGS.

NOTHING UNDER THE FINANCIAL AID TAB PERTAINED TO OBTAINING MONEY TO GO TO THIS SCHOOL. APPARENTLY THEY DONT' QUALIFY FOR FEDERAL FUNDS WHICH MAKES ME WONDER ABOUT THEIR ACCREDITATION. I DON'T KNOW HOW THINGS WORK IN CALIFORNIA AND I WILL BE THE FIRST TO TELL YOU THAT I DON'T BUT I THINK YOU HAVE TO BE LICENSED BY THE STATE FOR YOUR SCHOOL TO BE ACCREDITED AND QUALIFY FOR FINANCIAL AID FOR STUDENTS?

The Key to Hotel Security .

GOOD PLACE TO LEARN WHAT CAN HAPPEN TO HOSPITALITY INDUSTRY LOCATIONS IF THEIR SECURITY PERSONNEL ARE NOT PROPERLY TRAINED. AS IF THEY CARED ANYWAY. THEY TAKE THE CHANCE THAT NOTHING HAPPENS AND THEY WON'T GET SUE AND IF THEY DO, THEIR INSURANCE TAKES CARE OF THEM AND USUALLY CHEATS THE VICTIM AND IT ALL GOES TO THE ATTORNEYS SO MUCH FOR THAT. IT IS A NICE PRINCIPLE HOWEVER.

Overseas Security Advisory Council

WHEN I CLICK ON THIS LINK, I GET A REPEAT OF THE ARTICLE ABOVE. CALIFORNIA IS A SIGNIFICANT STATE BUT NOT MUCH CLOUT WITH THE OVERSEAS SECURITY ADVISORY COUNCIL, I GUESS.


I AM NOT SAYING THIS VOCATIONAL TRAINING SCHOOL IS A FRAUD,
I AM SAYING THAT IT IS NOT AN EMPLOYMENT AGENCY AND NOT LICENSED AS A ONE AND NOWHERE ON THE SITE DID I SEE WHERE THEY GUARANTEE TO GET YOU A JOB IN A CASINO AT ALL!

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#8 Consumer Comment

THE LAST SENTENCE ON THEIR OPENING PAGE STATES 'JOB PLACEMENT ASSISTANCE IS GUARANTEED!'

AUTHOR: Joe - (U.S.A.)

These people have a website -- a very nice-looking website,http://csi-security.org.

The first page GUARANTEES JOB PLACEMENT ASSISTANCE, IT DOES NOT GUARANTEE A JOB and that is their disclaimer, their legal "out." They can CLAIM that they promised to HELP YOU FIND A JOB, NOT THAT YOU WOULD GET A JOB AS A RESULT OF TAKING THEIR TRAINING.
ANYMORE THAN TRAINING CLASSES AT ITT WILL GUARANTEE YOU A JOB IN ELECTRONICS, IT, FORENSICS OR A FOUR-YEAR COLLEGE DEGREE WILL AUTOMATICALLY GUARANTEED YOU A JOB. UNLESS YOU HAVE an accounting degree or some other training that is high demand like a nursing degree or IT or programming degree....

AND IN TODAY'S JOB MARKET UNLESS YOU ARE A SON OR DAUGHTER OR PRIVILEGE (AN EAST COAST ELITE FAMILY) YOU HAVE NO GUARANTEES AT ALL!

ANYWAY, HERE IS WHAT THE FIRST PAGE OF THEIR WEBSITE SAYS:

Welcome to CSI Security
Since the tragic events of September 11, 2001, security has become a very serious profession.

No longer is the security business considered a "Job that you take when you can't find anything else to do." Since 9/11 it just isn't enough to have security guards stand in one spot with a "police" looking uniform on and give hard looks to people who pass in and out. Now, it is necessary to have thinking, intelligent, trained personnel on site. As a result, the pay scale is increasing. Naturally, the need for men and women who are thoroughly trained create a higher standard in the industry and consequently a higher rate of pay.

( THE PAY SCALE IS NOT INCREASING FOR THE TYPICAL SECURITY GUARDS I KNOW!)
At California Security Institute, we go "the extra mile" to be certain that we are only certifying the very best professional security officers in the industry.

( THEY GIVE YOU A CERTIFICATE THAT YOU HAVE COMPLETED THIS TRAINING CLASS BUT IT IS THE AGENCY THAT REGULATES PRIVATE SECURITY AGENCIES AND PRIVATE INVESTIGATORS IN THE STATE WHERE YOU LIVE THAT ACTUALLY EVALUATES THE TRAINING YOU GET AND DECIDES WHETHER IT QUALIFIES YOU TO BE COMMISSIONED TO CARRY A FIREARM OR EVEN BE ALLOWED TO WORK AS A SECURITY PERSON.

AND IT WON'T GUARANTEE YOU A BETTER WAGE. MOST OF THESE PRIVATE SECURITY COMPANIES GO ON THE CHEAP AND NO MATTER HOW MUCH YOU SPEND ON TRAINING, NO MATTER WHAT KIND OF EDUCATION YOU HAVE, YOU WILL BE ABUSED AND CHEATED BY ABOUT 99 PERCENT OF THESE LOWLIFE SCUMBAGS WHO RUN THE OFFICES OF THESE COMPANIES!IF YOU PAY $200 TO GET YOUR BASIC SECURITY OFFICER TRAINING IN A GARAGE OR A BARN WITH AN IMPROVISED GUN RANGE YOU WILL GET THE SAME CERTIFICATION AND TRAINING AS IF YOU ATTENDED SOME BIG EXPENSIVE WELL-PROMOTED SLICK COMMERCIAL TRAINING SCHOOL LIKE THIS ONE PROBABLY FOR A FEW THOUSAND DOLLARS. AS LONG AS THE SCHOOL IS CERTIFIED BY THE STATE'S EDUCATIONAL AGENCY AND ACCREDITED BY THE STATE AGENCY THAT LICENSES SECURITY AGENCIES AND THE PEOPLE WHO WORK FOR THEM, SAME WITH PRIVATE INVESTIGATORS. HERE IN TEXAS, SECURITY PERSONNEL WHO CARRY A FIREARM ON DUTY ARE COMMISSIONED, NOT CERTIFIED.)


What this means is, when we put a student through our program, we don't just hand him or her a certificate and send them out into the workplace. If at any time, in the future, that graduate feels unsure about any of the modules covered in our course, we ask that they come back and repeat that module, or the entire course, to be confident that it is learned, at no additional cost to the student

JUST BECAUSE YOU REPEAT MORE OF THE SAME WILL NOT GUARANTEE YOU A JOB.NOT INTO TODAY'S VOLATILE JOB MARKET. NOT WHEN THE SECURITY COMPANIES WILL SCREW YOU OUT OF WHATEVER THEY CAN, MISTREAT YOU, DISCRIMINATE AGAINST YOU BASED ON RELIGION, COLOR, RACE AND GENDER AND AGE! AND NOTHING WILL BE DONE ABOUT IT.

We also work closely with the Security Directors, building managers and owners, and others who hire our graduates. In this way, we keep our fingers on the pulse of the industry to assure that their needs are met. We are open to the suggestions of those who hire our graduates, so as to "fine tune" our program to assure that they will be hiring the "best of the best."

MAYBE IN CALIFORNIA THEY WILL DO THIS BUT NEVADA IS A DIFFERENT STATE FROM CALIFORNIA. ANYBODY THINK TO CONTACT THE STATE AGENCY THAT LICENSES SECURITY PERSONNEL IN NEVADA AND SEE IF THIS TRAINING IS EVEN ACCREDITED THERE.

I SEE ABSOLUTELY NOTHING ABOUT IT CERTIFYING YOU TO WORK AS OR TO EVEN GET A JOB IN A CASINO IN VEGAS! LAS VEGAS IS IN NEVADA. THIS PLACE IS LICENSED TO OPERATE IN CALIFORNIA, AN ENTIRELY SEPARATE JURISDICTION FROM NEVADA.

MAYBE IT DOESN'T MAKE A DIFFERENCE IN THE WESTERN UNITED STATES BUT A NEW YORK SECURITY TRAINING CLASS WOULD NOT NECESSARILY WORK IN TEXAS. I WOULD HAVE TO GET MY TRAINING IN TEXAS TO BE COMMISSIONED TO WORK IN TEXAS.

Job Placement Assistance Is Guaranteed!

THEY CLAIM THEY WILL ASSIST YOU IN JOB PLACEMENT BUT THEY DO NOT GUARANTEE THAT YOU WILL HAVE A GUARANTEED JOB WHEN YOU COMPLETE THEIR CLASS. IT HAS BEEN MY EXPERIENCE THAT PRIVATE SECURITY CONTRACTING COMPANIES WILL HIRE "WILL THE WINO" OFF THE STREET OR GARY THE SUPER TRAINED GUARD FOR THE SAME WAGE AND CHEAT YOU BOTH AND TREAT YOU LIKE **** UNTIL YOU HAVE ENOUGH AND QUIT OR IF YOU DON'T GET THE MESSAGE, THEY WILL SET YOU UP; FOR FAILURE, ENCOURAGE CO-WORKERS TO BACKSTAB YOU AND EVEN FABRICATE EVIDENCE AGAINST YOU --BECAUSE IF THEY GET RID OF YOU, THEY MIGHT GET A FEW HOURS OF OVERTIME FROM THE HOURS THAT YOU WOULD HAVE WORKED IF YOU HAD KEPT YOUR JOB. ( YOU CAN NOT SURVIVE IN SECURITY AT ALL WITHOUT OVERTIME BECAUSE THE REGULAR WAGES ARE SO LOW BECAUSE OF THE WAY THE COMPANIES ARE FORCED TO LOWBALL THEIR BIDS.)

I READ THEIR CURRICULUM AND I SEE THAT YOU ARE PAYING ALL OF THIS MONEY FOR: "24 hours of the required 40 hour California "Guard Card" training. WHAT ABOUT THE OTHER 16 REQUIRED HOURS? IS THAT FIREARMS TRAINING? THAT'S WHAT WE GET IN TEXAS...

WHAT ABOUT THE REMAINING 16 HOURS? WHY DON'T YOU GET THE ENTIRE 40-HOUR TRAINING COURSE THERE FOR THE MONEY?

THAT WOULD GIVE ME CAUSE FOR PAUSE.

OR DO YOU HAVE TO GO SOMEWHERE ELSE WHERE THEY RECOMMEND ( FOR A KICKBACK TO THEM) TO GET THE REST OF THAT COURSE. FOR THAT KIND OF MONEY, I WANT ALL OF MY TRAINING IN ONE PLACE!

THAT MIGHT BE CONSIDERED A RIP-OFF--IF THEY CONVENIENTLY MISREPRESENT THAT YOU ARE GETTING THE ENTIRE 40 HOURS HERE.

I READ THIS LAST PAGE ABOUT WHO THIS SCHOOL REALLY IS AND WHAT THEY DO.
THEY AREN'T BASED IN NEVADA -- THEY ARE BASED IN CALIFORNIA --SAN FRANCISCO, TO BE EXACT:

About Us
California Security Institute, Inc.

* We are a six year old San Francisco based company catering the security needs of luxury hotels and hi-rise office buildings in the greater bay area.

NOTHING ABOUT CASINOS AND VEGAS HERE.

* California Security Institute, Inc. is a non profit corporation formed under the strict rules of 501(C)(3) of the Internal Revenue Code as a non profit tax exempt charitable organization.

HOW CAN THEY DO THIS WHEN THEY ARE CHARGING FEES FOR THE TRAINING? PROBABLY ENOUGH FOR A DOWNPAYMENT ON A NEW CAR OR A GOOD USED ON?
SOME ATTORNEY WHO KNOWS ABOUT NON-PROFITS NEEDS TO EXPLAIN THIS.
MOST VOCATIONAL SCHOOLS I KNOW ABOUT ARE IN BUSINESS TO MAKE A PROFIT --OTHERWISE, WHY DO IT? I DON\'T THINK THIS IS ENTIRELY ALTRUISTIC AND GOOD!

HOW DID A VOCATIONAL SCHOOL GET A TAX-EXEMPTION?????
* We are committed to training professional security officers to post 9/11 standards, with training tailored for luxury hotels, hi-rise office buildings, special events and cruise line security.

STILL, NOTHING ABOUT CASINOS HERE
* We have trained hundreds of officers in the San Francisco/Oakland area, and most are still employed in the security profession. Our unique "Guarantee" says it all!

Guaranteed Job Placement Assistance!

We will assist you in securing employment as a Professional Security Officer in one of over 75 hotels, office buildings, hospitals, museums, cruise ships and retail stores after your graduation, for as long as it takes to get you working.

THEY GUARANTEE THEY WILL ASSIST YOU IN GETTING A JOB.


I CHECKED THEIR PAGE THAT PERTAINS TO THEIR LAS VEGAS OPERATION AND I SEE ABSOLUTELY NOTHING ABOUT WORKING IN CASINOS--TRAINING YOU FOR IT OR LICENSING YOU FOR IT OR GUARANTEEING YOU ASSISTANCE IN PLACING YOU IN IT.
WITH THE LAW, EVERYTHING IS PRECISELY STATED ON PAPER WHERE IT CAN BE PROVEN UP FOR IT TO HOLD UP IN COURT. THE PROMISE HAS TO BE ON PAPER ORAL PROMISES CAN BE EVIDENCE TOO BUT THEY HAVE TO STAND UP IN COURT.
SORRY TO SAY, I HAVE SEEN NOTHING HERE THAT EVEN MENTIONS CASINO WORK.

I DID SEE A HUGE MISREPRESENTATION:

Get out of the rut you are in and move forward into the "Profession of the Future", making $15 to $20 per hour.

I NEVER MADE MORE THAN $12 AN HOUR IN TEXAS AND DIDN'T MAKE THAT AFTER THE Y2K CRISIS PASSED. I WAS BACK TO $9 AN HOUR. THE SALARY THEY PROMISE HERE AT AN HOURLY RATE IS MORE IN-HOUSE RATES BUT TO GET ONE OF THOSE JOBS YOU HAVE TO KNOW SOMEBODY OR HAVE BEEN PART OF AN ELITE MILITARY UNIT. HILTON HOTEL PREFERS TO HIRE US MARINES VETERANS, FOR INSTANCE AND
WOMEN ARE GENERALLY NOT EVEN CONSIDERED UNLESS THERE IS A SHORTAGE OF MEN AND AFRICAN AMERICANS ARE ALL REGARDED WITH SUSPICION NO MATTER HOW QUALIFIED THEY MAY BE. I HAVE SEEN MEXICAN AMERICANS AND NATIVE AMERICANS AND ASIAN AMERICANS GET DISCRIMINATED AGAINST BECAUSE OF DEROGATORY STEREOTYPES I WILL NOT REPEAT HERE BUT YOU HAVE HEARD THE RACIST AND ETHNIC NONSENSE TOO!

Look at our training tuition as a "membership" in your security employment future! We are here for you....always.


If, for any reason you feel the need to return to class for a refresher course, for one class or the entire course, you may do so, anytime free of charge! You pay once, and that's it! Our door is open to you at any time in the future... and... if you wnat to change jobs at any time in the future... come to us and we will help you find another job! Never will there be any further charge to you for this "Lifetime Service".
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#9 Consumer Comment

Rip-Off indeed

AUTHOR: Djvegas - (U.S.A.)

The CSI (California Security Institute) does in fact promise job placement to graduates of their over priced academy. The job placement that is provided is that the office girl provides individuals with copies of job postings from craigslist, no staff of that organization attempts to personally place anyone. The ciriculam is not structured in most cases.The last I heard, the company did not even hold a city business licsense in Las Vegas. $800 is way out of line for the program offered and it is true that ALL casinos have their own training.
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#10 Consumer Comment

How Security Academies Usually Work

AUTHOR: Joe - (U.S.A.)

Here in Texas, you can't carry a firearm on your security job unless you have had a Commission Class given by a security academy that is licensed by the State -- here all of this is regulated by the Department of Public Safety's Bureau of Private Security and they have a website where you can check out the schools and make sure they are licensed.

While you are attending school, you are supposed to be networking with your classmates to see if they know of any jobs when you get out.

Also, when you get out, you are ELIGIBLE to be commissioned BUT THE SCHOOLS DO NOT PROMISE YOU A JOB.

YOU HAVE TO GO OUT AND FIND YOUR OWN JOB.

I SUGGEST THAT YOU GET YOUR PHONE BOOK AND LOOK UNDER SECURITY GUARD SERVICES OR YOU GET YOUR LOCAL NEWSPAPER AND LOOK IN THE CLASSIFIED ADS under the security or general employment listings and GET TO CALLING AND FIND OUT WHO'S HIRING.

I WOULD IMAGINE THAT YOU COULD FIND OUT WHO DOES THE HIRING IN THE VEGAS CASINOS --maybe human resources --and call them and find out if they have any security jobs open. They will want to know if you meet their requirements, and you tell them what you studied in the school.

Hopefully your school is registered with the agency that licenses security academies in Nevada.

I can't imagine anyone wanting to be in private security as I did my time in hell with all of the nepotism, paycheck skimming, lies, etc.
But if you want it, go for it!
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