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Complaint Review: Car Camera Direct .com - Internet

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  • Reported By: Tracy — Cedar Springs Ontario Canada
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  • Car Camera Direct .com 8345 NW 66th St. Suite #3030 Miami, Florida 33166 USA Internet United States of America

Car Camera Direct .com Tommy San Car Camera Direct Reviewed - Satisfaction Guarantee Expose? Internet

*Consumer Comment: I also purchased an in car camera

*Author of original report: Final Update I hope #8 & #9

*Author of original report: Follow Up

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Car Cameras Direct .com Satisfaction Guarantee Exposed?
Can anyone share there dealings with this company? BUYER BEWARE! Car Camera Direct
Car Camera Review - Rate http://www.carcameradirect.com/ TOMMY SAN
My unit has stopped functioning and they do not seem to back up there guarantee, in fact they don't even explain there guarantee on there website.

Here is my original declaration of needing support!

Ticket Thread
Tue, Jul 17 2012 6:56am
PayPal (Unique Transaction ID #5PK94026GX--------)
Order Id :127183
The camera is no longer booting up, when battery is in fully charged pressing power leads to a car picture however it does not go any further, you let go of the power button and the car picture goes away.
When plugging in the car charger it automatically goes on and gets to the car picture and freezes.
I am no longer able to use this item due to these reasons.
Please advise on getting a replacement.

Then I read on this site this company is a HONG KONG scammer!
If this is the case and you have experienced the same please do tell! 

Update #1

I confronted them about what I believe to be a scam, buying from Florida only to find out you have to send the unit to Hong Kong for any warranty.
Being in Canada I used the internet canadapost.ca to look for the best possible rate, it turned out to be $38.43 to send it to HONG KONG and then they will ship a replacement. This method also takes 4-6 weeks?
So in reply to my asking if they were scamming me and without there service department having looked at my location/address here in Canada this was there response. 
" Tue, Jul 17 2012 8:52am - Tommy San 
You have issues. perhaps before exploding in epiphanies you should look at the cost of first class mail versus the lazy and ignorant expensive ways of shipping items."

" Tue, Jul 17 2012 8:59am - Admin Admin
the shipping is via usps international first class. just send the watch back. we'll pay you $5 towards shipping. your cost should be around $5-$6.

be sure to use usps international first class NOT prioirty (usps will push that)"

Watch? My issue is with a car camera, are they even paying attention?

Seems to me that he was the lazy and ignorant one assuming I had a US address as well as not even looking to ensure he understands the item I am referring too?!

I am of the belief that this is to deter anyone from actually getting a replacement.

Update #2

So now this company wants me to blindly send with no invoice $20 to a un-verified PayPal email address, in return they say they will ship me a new unit from Florida?
At this point I am not sending anything without a PayPal Invoice and respectfuly asked for one so that I would have a record of the transaction as well as paypal behind me.
They are ignoring me on sending an Invoice, further making me believe if I sent the $20 blindly I would lose that as well.
I seriously suggest anyone considering a purchase with them to do in depth research on this Florida? company! (It appears to be HONG KONG now!)
My opinion is Buyer Beware!
My $95 purchase seems to be down the drain in less the 5 weeks!

UPDATE #3

I sent my post to the customer service and here was there reply, such sarcasm!

"[ **DO NOT** reply to this e-mail, it will *NOT* be read. ]

A customer support staff member has replied to your support request, #346716 with the following response:

Dear Tracy,

Thank you for your inquiry. Taking care of your concerns is very important to all of us at Evolution Worldwide. 

YOur message is rather cryptic and unintelligible. Please give a frame of reference to reply to.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=d****ebag

We genuinely appreciate your business and thank you. 

We hope this response has sufficiently answered your questions. If not,  to respond to the ticket, please login to the support ticket system."

Apparently they care not about Satisfaction Guarantee!

Update #4

So I logged into the support ticket system as follows:

Thu, Jul 19 2012 7:18am
Ticket #729317 
Ticket Status: open
Department: Support
Create Date: 07/17/2012 8:50 am
Name: Tracy
Email: tracy 
Phone:


Why are you ignoring this Ticket #729317 ?

Response is as follows:
"Thu, Jul 19 2012 7:37am - Tommy San
If you would ike some help, make a query or sensible statement and I will do my best to help you. Further cryptic messages will be deleted and ignored with contempt."

Is he playing stupid now? I wonder what is cryptic about asking him why the ticket support number I was given is not being answered?

There is either a serious language barrier issue with this man or he is playing stupid so I will go away!

I have responded with my very first message reporting the camera as broken, I have included the invoice # and PayPal transaction ID# as well.
He now has reference again and I will await his response.

https://www.facebook.com/search/resu...31065176427364

Update #5

This guy is either playing a game with me or dealing with so many complaints he can't even remember who he's dealing with. The response I got is exactly the same as the response I got when I first contacted them.

"Tracy Sauer,

[ **DO NOT** reply to this e-mail, it will *NOT* be read. ]

A customer support staff member has replied to your support request, #970210 with the following response:

Dear Tracy,

We are sorry that you've had problem with your product.
Please send it back to us for a free replacement.

Please send to:

Evolution World Wide Limited
ATTN: Product Replacement
17C, 235 Wing Lok St
Sheung Wan
Hong Kong

** in your return, please state "Free Replacement" on the box / sheet of paper inside.
** Please only return the faulty product, DO NOT RETURN EVERYTHING.

US Customers:
We suggest that you use USPS International First Class Mail to return for most value for money shipping cost.

We hope this response has sufficiently answered your questions. If not,  to respond to the ticket, please login to the support ticket system.

http://support.evolutionworldwide.co...l.com&t=970210

**DO NOT** reply to this e-mail, it will *NOT* be read."

So I respectfully replied the following

"With all due respect dear sir I am located in Canada and after researching the most cost effective shipping method I have found that the cost is $38.43 and will take 4-6 weeks.
This seems rather long and expensive considering that my purchase came from a Florida address.
May I request that you allow me to forward the item to the Florida address, this will cost me $18.30?,..or
May I also suggest the possibility that I pay $20 using Paypal, if you can send me an Invoice stating that you will send me a new unit using the PayPal service I would be happy to do so at once.
I was very happy with the camera until it stopped functioning and would appreciate that you would send me a new unit upon payment as outlined above as soon as possible.
Respectfully

Tracy"

Here is my reply:

"You can send your product to anyone you wish. That is your choice. If you would like a free replacement then you must send it to the address below. Sending it elsewhere is you gifting it to someone.

We are sorry that you've had problem with your product.
Please send it back to us for a free replacement.

Please send to:

Evolution World Wide Limited
ATTN: Product Replacement
17C, 235 Wing Lok St
Sheung Wan
Hong Kong

** in your return, please state "Free Replacement" on the box / sheet of paper inside.
** Please only return the faulty product, DO NOT RETURN EVERYTHING.

US Customers:
We suggest that you use USPS International First Class Mail to return for most value for money shipping cost."

So the bottom line is they will run you in circles,...Buyer Beware,..If you purchase from this company and the unit fails you can expect that you will be paying a hefty shipping charge to Hong Kong along with a 4-6 week wait to get it to Hong Kong and then if they actually replace the item maybe 4-6 weeks to get that replacement.
None of this is explained on there website, in fact all it says is Satisfaction Guaranteed!, this is a load of cow dung!
If they were serious about there warranty they would state this on there website and make the whole replacement procedure much more friendly and easier to accomplish.
Remember the manner in which a customer has been insulted and realize that Tommy Sun is not a man of character at all, but someone using a loop hole to take advantage of foreign customers!

Is it not unreasonable to assume that when you buy from a company in Florida that any further dealings would also be with this same company in Florida?
Shifting the warranty replacement to Hong Kong is in my opinion a set up, a scam to steal your money by not living up to there Satisfaction Guarantee located on there website.
I accept I have been duped here, lost my money, all $95
I will however exercise my right of free speech to alarm those that are thinking of purchasing from this company, sharing my experience so you may make the final judgement on Car Camers Direct .com & Tommy San


I also found this link as it relates to the Company that they want you to send the unit back to in Hong Kong: Evolution World Wide Limited
http://www.ripoffreport.com/cameras-...ited-3847f.htm

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#3 Consumer Comment

I also purchased an in car camera

AUTHOR: Jim OBrien - (Ireland)

POSTED: Wednesday, February 06, 2013

I purchased an in-car camera from the same company.  I installed it and when I played it back, the images were fuzzy and it was even difficult to make out what type of vehicles were showing on the video.

I did a google search and found the RipOff website, read the comments and became concerned that I had indeed been ripped off.

However, when I contacted the company and posted an issue with them, this was not the case.
I was a bit surprised when it turned out the company was Hong Kong based as I thought I had bought from a site in the USA.  However, this did not really upset me, after all a very large proportion of electronic goods are manufactured or originated there.

I returned the camera via registered postage which was a reasonable cost and received a replacement.  Granted it did take a few weeks given that it was going to and coming back from Hong Kong.  The replacement I received is working perfectly.

I really do not see the justification for calling this a scam.   The camera is good value, it did not work properly, they replaced it and the replacement is fine. 

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Final Update I hope #8 & #9

AUTHOR: TrueNorthCanada - (Canada)

POSTED: Friday, July 20, 2012
Update #8

Tracy,

[ **DO NOT** reply to this e-mail, it will *NOT* be read. ]

A customer support staff member has replied to your support request, #970210 with the following response:

You really didn't understand the phrase" wish you exactly what you deserve in life" Think about it less shallowly than you're used to. Then look at what you wrote to us earlier, which is below. You will get exactly what you deserve.


http://www.ripoffreport.com/car-came...my-s-4030F.htm

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthre...8#post33710468

You cam also check (search Car Camera Direct) twitter & facebook and you will find I have shared my rather bad experience in dealing with your company for all to see and make there own judgement calls!
Buyer Beware! 

We hope this response has sufficiently answered your questions. If not, 
to respond to the ticket, please login to the support ticket system.

I sent the following reply:

You wonder why I am sceptical of what you say?
You called me lazy, ignorant and sent me a link to a web dictionary that explains what a d****ebag is?
Somehow I misunderstood what you were saying!
You continue to insult my intelligence and bury yourself deeper into a hole that you will not be able to get out of.
So be it, if the truth hurts it hurts!


So my final attempt at getting a replacement unit, using common sense:

Fri, Jul 20 2012 5:40am
I just do not understand why you will not send a PayPal invoice so I can pay the $18.30?
That is shady at best, you won't send it because you know if I do not receive a replacement that I have PayPal to back me up!
If they receive numerous complaints about your company then they will stop allowing you to use there service and that won't be good for business!
You can have me ship to wherever and send a free replacement as you state, this costs you, however If I pay $18.30 you will be ahead at the end of the day, I am sure that money will cover the cost of the unit.
Simple math does not seem to work for you. You will be further ahead by excepting this method?
I will be happy to pay more just to have PayPal behind me.
You see I don't trust you after you called me lazy and ignorant and sent the d****ebag link and rightly so, who would trust your integrity after making such statements?

Update #9 - Likely my last I'm tired of this guy, from a business point of view he has just lost it!
I realize that the Customer is never always right nor is the company, this company and it's abusive approach to customer service is like nothing I have ever seen, I actually feel embarrassed if I can't perform as I have stated, most importantly I try to make sure the end result is a good result regardless of how we got there. Not correcting problems correctly just leads to more problems.
Each customer is unique and has a unique personality so it stands to reason that there can be disagreement.

This is my latest reply from Mr Tommy San, it is in response to me trying to speak logically with someone I now know is not capable of being logical, spitefulness has taken him over.

I will state that below he says he's quoting company policy?,..the last time I looked I could not find this company policy on there website, perhaps they have over looked that? I took a screen snapshot of several pages in case he tries to correct that and throw it back in my face.
There is ZERO information regarding there return policy on there website http://www.carcameradirect.com as at Friday July 20 12:11 pm est

"Tracy Sauer,

[ **DO NOT** reply to this e-mail, it will *NOT* be read. ]

A customer support staff member has replied to your support request, #970210 with the following response:

Dear Tracy,

Company policy states that you get what is below. My personal policy is to treat people as they act. So you get what you get and nothing else.

issues
A word that was used in the mid nineteen-nineties by mostly loud-mouthed ghetto fabulous women or classless effeminate males. "Issues" is a word that was frequently used by guests of talk shows of the mid nineteen-nineties. Issues is mainly used to describe someone who has numerous problems and problematic circumstances in their life. Furthermore, if one has issues, or an issue, it is most likely a result of their own psychopathic tendencies.
"That alcoholic s***k over there had two abortions and gave up her third child for adoption. She's out at a bar wasted and not even her boyfriend will take her home. That girl be havin' issues." 


We are sorry that you've had problem with your product.
Please send it back to us for a free replacement.

Please send to:

Evolution World Wide Limited
ATTN: Product Replacement
17C, 235 Wing Lok St
Sheung Wan
Hong Kong

** in your return, please state "Free Replacement" on the box / sheet of paper inside.
** Please only return the faulty product, DO NOT RETURN EVERYTHING.

US Customers:
We suggest that you use USPS International First Class Mail to return for most value for money shipping cost.

We hope this response has sufficiently answered your questions. If not, 
to respond to the ticket, please login to the support ticket system.


Judge Mr. Tommy San, Car Camera Direct & even myself on this report, I am not perfect.
I trust that the reality of dealing with the above mentioned is very clear and doing so can lead to a similar circumstance should your unit break down. If you push your belief on them they may even show malice intention toward you and your business, implying to cause your business harm for speaking and posting about your experience in dealing with them, I say based on my interaction with the above: BUYER BEWARE!
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AUTHOR: TrueNorthCanada - (Canada)

POSTED: Friday, July 20, 2012

I received the following email from Car Camera Direct this morning!
Tracy ,

[ **DO NOT** reply to this e-mail, it will *NOT* be read. ]

A customer support staff member has replied to your support request, #729317 with the following response:

Since you've posted false statements about us. we can not send you a new camera until you have it removed. we offered you extremely generous deal (in fact at a loss)

$18 and $20 is more or less the same. your packaging material and petrol would cost more.


Also Tracy the internet is small. if you want to ruin people's business. expect the same to happen you.

http://www.truenorthservices.ca/


So if you have your negative comments removed, we'll still honor our deal.. honestly we are not out to destroy people, and I trust you don't find destroying people's business fun either.


We hope this response has sufficiently answered your questions. If not, to respond to the ticket, please login to the support ticket system.

Update #1 to this email was my reply below:

Fri, Jul 20 2012 4:38am
Ok so now you want to cooperate!
I asked for you to send me a PayPal invoice stating what you would do and you ignored me, you insulted me and played games with me. You can now see how your terrible service and misleading website can effect your business.

I am perfectly willing to update/remove my comments if you send me a PayPal invoice for $18.30 and that it states you are shipping me a new unit at once from Florida with a tracking number.
It was your original suggestion to do so however you wanted me to blindly send to an unverified paypal email address, I may be dumb but I am not stupid.
I told you what I would do based on your lousy customer service, I have done what I said and I trust you can see this is not good for your business!
So if you send me a PayPal invoice stating the above along with a tracking number today I will back off, I will post that you have apologized for calling me lazy and ignorant and that your boss has told you to correct this matter asap!
This will be the third time I have asked for you to send an Invoice, it will be the last!
Either you back up your Satisfaction Guarantee or NOT the choice is yours!
send the invoice to tracy --------@gmail.com
Your threat of negative comments about my site is hilarious, you have zero basis for reviewing my site and if you did try the games and do so you will find that my site will lead right back to your site/comments/review.
Most people would be able to see the difference between a consumer looking for a replacement and a company that is angry they allowed Tommy San to deal with customer service.
You must really think I am stupid.
Also if you slander me based on not having done business with me you are opening yourself to a law suit.
Let's just take of this with no more games, send the invoice and send me a replacement, I will then go away!

Follow Up response from Car Camera Direct:

Tracy ,

[ **DO NOT** reply to this e-mail, it will *NOT* be read. ]

A customer support staff member has replied to your support request, #729317 with the following response:
looks like the report can not be removed once posted.. well .. we've sold over 10,000 units, and overall response is all good.
so if you want a replacement, you need to return the product back to us. sorry. nothing further we can do.
in the mean time, we'll search the internet for your customers, and see what kind of negative feed backs they have, and we will treat you to your own medicine..

have a great day.

btw, again, per our standard service. warranty information is provided as below. We would always honor our warranty service. you must however return it to us for warranty replacement at your own cost.
on a side note, i just checked office today. we receive parcels on regular basis from Canada for $9.72 cad. so perhaps you should really check facts before make untrue comments.

if you want, I can send you a photo of the package we received back showing the cost is $9 cad not your $38.

We hope this response has sufficiently answered your questions. If not, to respond to the ticket, please login to the support ticket system.


I will state at this time on the Car Camera Direct Website that no where does it state that you are dealing with a Hong Kong Company, it does not state anywhere that if the item fails you have to send it to Hong Kong! The contact address on the website is Florida, Why are they being misleading about who your actually doing business with?
When someone is hiding there is usually a reason.

So now that they offered to rectify if I remove this post which I can not do, they have back tracked and sent the following email:

Tracy 

[ **DO NOT** reply to this e-mail, it will *NOT* be read. ]

A customer support staff member has replied to your support request, #729317 with the following response:

Dear Tracy ,

We are sorry that you've had problem with your product.
Please send it back to us for a free replacement.

Please send to:

Evolution World Wide Limited
ATTN: Product Replacement
17C, 235 Wing Lok St
Sheung Wan
Hong Kong

** in your return, please state "Free Replacement" on the box / sheet of paper inside.
** Please only return the faulty product, DO NOT RETURN EVERYTHING.

US Customers:
We suggest that you use USPS International First Class Mail to return for most value for money shipping cost.

We hope this response has sufficiently answered your questions. If not, to respond to the ticket, please login to the support ticket system.

Still playing games with me over where I should return the item!
I searched the company that they want me to send the broken camera too and low and behold they also have numerous complaints about all of there items, it seems at this time they sell several products through 6 different websites and there are many complaints about this company that are very similar to my complaint.

I do not feel it to be unreasonable that the item should be set to the address they post on there website, there Satisfaction Guarantee is vague at best,..Buyer Beware!


My last attempt at dealing with them is as follows:

Fri, Jul 20 2012 4:55am
You can still turn this in to a positive by explaining someone screwed up and that you do take your warranty serious.
I will happily edit the websites I posted on showing that you have rectified the situation, you will know doubt have to eat humble pie however at least you have the opportunity to share your side of this story.
I would even go as far as posting a statement from you stating whatever reasons you want for having insulted me and treated me so badly.
At least the others can see that you do care about your service and are willing to cooperate instead of being angry and insulting customers.
By the way nothing I have posted is false or a lie, it is my experience in dealing with you and copies of your email statements to me, this is perfectly legal!
I am not unreasonable however I will not let you take advantage of me in this manner.
Face it, you have insulted me and treated me like crap, I have that in writing from you and shall do so as I please!
You can rectify the problem by backing up your satisfaction guarantee!
This is my last attempt to rectify this situation, send the invoice please! I will go away!

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