• Report: #15565

Complaint Review: Chanell Fournier

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  • Submitted: Fri, March 01, 2002
  • Updated: Sun, July 31, 2011

  • Reported By:Tupper Lake New York
Chanell Fournier
Park Street Tupper Lake, New York U.S.A.

Dead Beat nasty Mother who abuses 3 week old infant Chanell Fournier of Tupper Lake New York *UPDATES ..Photo

*Consumer Comment: Thank you Tupper Lake!!!

*Consumer Suggestion: what a loser

*Consumer Comment: Help!

*Consumer Comment: Head down, Nunya..it's quiet time

*Consumer Comment: up urs

*Consumer Comment: A word for Nunya.... keep your legs closed and your head on a swivel...

*Consumer Comment: unbelievable - not everyone in tupper lake is as cold and evil

*Consumer Comment: Sterilization--- PLEASE!

*Consumer Comment: People get a life and mind your own business!

*Consumer Comment: People get a life and mind your own business!

*Consumer Comment: People get a life and mind your own business!

*Consumer Suggestion: It's time for another episode of "As Tupper Lake Turns"

*Consumer Comment: Chanell, was my ex-girlfriend! She was bad but has changed!

*Consumer Comment: Count me in... Thinking summer 2006 RV trip since lodging will be a challenge and you'd probably get crabs from the hotel linens anyway.

*Consumer Comment: I'm in on the vacation to Tupper Lake, Who needs tickets to Springer when we can go to Tupper Lake?

*Consumer Comment: The Real Issue is the poor little baby boy

*Consumer Comment: Town Mixers

*Consumer Comment: Not worth it ..just get fixed and save us tax payers the trouble

*Consumer Comment: Karlton, you need a life! Chanell has been punished enough and will not be charged any further for the supposed act.

*Consumer Comment: Karlton, you need a life! Chanell has been punished enough and will not be charged any further for the supposed act.

*Consumer Comment: Karlton, you need a life! Chanell has been punished enough and will not be charged any further for the supposed act.

*Consumer Comment: Karlton, you need a life! Chanell has been punished enough and will not be charged any further for the supposed act.

*Consumer Suggestion: How many?

*Consumer Comment: Let Chanell live her life! I know what she did was wrong but christ, she has been to counseling and has changed.

*Consumer Suggestion: channel girl, you better get on the ball - Tupper lake only have one branch on the family tree

*Consumer Suggestion: Blame Canada = I WANT MY Tupper TV!

*Consumer Comment: Proud to be a CANADIAN!!! NOTE: most Tupper Lakers are Canadian!

*Consumer Comment: All American umbrella of freedom covers slime too

*Consumer Comment: Whoa. You people are all nuts.

*Consumer Suggestion: Make MONEY for Tupper Lake

*UPDATE EX-employee responds: Chanell & Tupper Lake, I hope Chanell dosen't have her baby back.

*Consumer Comment: Every state in America has a 'black sheep' city like this. I am just suprised there are REDNECKS in New York!

*Consumer Comment: Has this woman had a mental health evaluation?

*Consumer Comment: Why is what you say true as you describe it? Think about this...

*Consumer Comment: I am not clear whether I should fall down laughing, or cry!

*Consumer Comment: What is wrong with you people.?

*Consumer Comment: Kara, You Need The Kind Of "Life" That Can't Be Bought In The Cereal Aisle. EVERYONE deserves a second chanse to redeem themselves..

*UPDATE Employee: Fanklin County and Tupper Lake, New York: "Deliverance" revisited!

*Consumer Comment: LMAO! This is comedy central! ..this thread is no laughing matter

*Consumer Suggestion: To the "Parents' Rights Activist".

*Consumer Comment: All Parents have Rights, Everyone is only getting one side.

*REBUTTAL Individual responds: The little girl is now over a year old, a happu baby that seems to be well adjusted

*Consumer Comment: putting Jim and David's names together in a rebuttal doesn't get them fighting

*Consumer Comment: Some Things Never Change in Payton Place

*Consumer Comment: Some Things Never Change in Payton Place

*Consumer Comment: Some Things Never Change in Payton Place

*Consumer Comment: Some Things Never Change in Payton Place

*Consumer Suggestion: channell threw her baby in the snow, then she needs to go to jail for 40 years

*Consumer Comment: It's the Internet people ..You clowns need to learn how to spot a troll.

*Consumer Comment: Take it to a Chat Room...

*Consumer Comment: My bad ...

*Consumer Comment: LOL

*Consumer Comment: Hey Juli :)

*Consumer Comment: Covert Experiment???

*Consumer Comment: you gotta be kidding

*Consumer Comment: It is difficult...

*Consumer Comment: Nancy

*Consumer Comment: Nancy

*Consumer Comment: Nancy

*Consumer Comment: Nancy

*Consumer Comment: Nancy, I am so sorry to hear that!

*Consumer Comment: Caroline, had you read the rebuttals in full, you would have understood

*Consumer Suggestion: To Nancy (2)

*Consumer Suggestion: To Nancy

*Consumer Comment: LOL .. open mouth insert ignorance

*Consumer Comment: Rachel, glad you were on topic...

*Consumer Comment: Nancy GET A LIFE! YOU ARE WEAK!

*Consumer Comment: Nancy GET A LIFE! YOU ARE WEAK!

*Consumer Comment: Nancy GET A LIFE! YOU ARE WEAK!

*Consumer Comment: Nancy GET A LIFE! YOU ARE WEAK!

*Consumer Comment: Adoption Option? More like trying to buy a kid!

*Consumer Comment: our unofficial moderator

*Consumer Suggestion: Adoption Option

*Consumer Comment: Wasn't she due in July? What about the other Baby?

*Consumer Comment: LMAO with Layne - Fayetteville, Arkansas

*Consumer Comment: hey Layne

*Consumer Comment: Just Curious

*Consumer Comment: MY GOD... THAT IS ONE UGLY PICTURE OF HER. SHE LOOKS LIKE THE DEVIL'S SPAWN OR GANGSTER TRASH.

*Consumer Comment: MY GOD... THAT IS ONE UGLY PICTURE OF HER. SHE LOOKS LIKE THE DEVIL'S SPAWN OR GANGSTER TRASH.

*Consumer Comment: MY GOD... THAT IS ONE UGLY PICTURE OF HER. SHE LOOKS LIKE THE DEVIL'S SPAWN OR GANGSTER TRASH.

*Consumer Comment: MY GOD... THAT IS ONE UGLY PICTURE OF HER. SHE LOOKS LIKE THE DEVIL'S SPAWN OR GANGSTER TRASH.

*UPDATE Employee: David and Nancy, I promise truth on this site!

*Consumer Comment: Wasnt attacking you Jim

*UPDATE Employee: David, Bullhead! I was not fired! but Suspended!

*Consumer Suggestion: Tupper Lake Strikes Again! THIS SITE IS FOR PEOPLE WITH REAL PROBLEMS

*Consumer Comment: I'm baaaaaaaaaaaack!!!

*Consumer Comment: Tupper Lake Or Freak Show From Hell?

*Consumer Comment: This thread is still active?

*Consumer Comment: Hmmmm'kay...and then there were none.

*Consumer Comment: From one Heartbreak Townie to another

*Consumer Suggestion: MOST OF YOU ARE SICK!!!!

*Consumer Comment: Leave Chanell ALONE!

*Consumer Comment: This is for Chanell to read... reach out to some type of organization like Catholic Charties

*Consumer Comment: Chanell made a mistake. She knows that and so do we.

*Consumer Comment: For a young girl...Just thought I'd put in my 2 ...

*Consumer Comment: Chanell is a cycho

*Consumer Comment: CHANELL you really need to read this!

*Consumer Comment: Look who calls the kettle black

*Consumer Comment: Look who calls the kettle black

*Consumer Comment: Look who calls the kettle black

*Consumer Comment: Tupper Lake is Web Famous

*Consumer Comment: we all know who is the retard loving fool who put their crap on this site

*Consumer Comment: this is getting old

*Consumer Suggestion: Amen to that, Lisa

*Consumer Comment: You don't solve someone's problems by making them get an abortion.

*Consumer Suggestion: Sterilize white trash now!

*Consumer Suggestion: New York rednecks

*Consumer Suggestion: Step Back

*Consumer Comment: Is This For Real??? God...You people are incredible...

*Consumer Comment: Very sad story ..your tubes tied....FAST..

*Consumer Suggestion: To Nancy and Dave...

*Consumer Comment: All of you think you know...

*Consumer Comment: what is the issue here?

*Consumer Comment: In response to Juli's last post

*Consumer Suggestion: Wow, Tupper Lake

*Consumer Comment: Get real Phillip

*Consumer Comment: Get real Phillip

*Consumer Comment: Get real Phillip

*Consumer Comment: Well you know...

*Consumer Comment: EXCUCE ME

*Consumer Comment: Wow Juli

*Consumer Suggestion: The Thomas Recipe helps addicts get sober!

*Consumer Suggestion: Community Base Care is the answer!

*Consumer Comment: please pass me a pair of earplugs

*Consumer Comment: Response to this Nonsense

*Consumer Comment: Change the Channel!!

*Consumer Comment: Out of the closet

*Consumer Suggestion: Tupper Lake's trials and tribulations

*Consumer Comment: ALL OF YOU, need some psychiatric counseling and possibly medication

*Consumer Comment: Heather is right!! like Joe from Madrid NY did ..How many countries call upon America to help them and expect Canada to show up?

*Consumer Comment: GET OVER IT!!!, she is not the brightest person I know, common sense wise, and she drives me up the wall with her ignorance

*Consumer Comment: OH MY GOD !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

*Consumer Comment: OH MY GOD !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

*Consumer Comment: OH MY GOD !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

*Consumer Suggestion: oh my..I had NO idea!

*Consumer Comment: WOW! Things Are A' Hoppin in Hooterville!

*Consumer Comment: Juli, "Chanell will be fine as well as her children"! ..Tupper Lake was ranked one of the top 10 vacation spots

*Consumer Comment: Proof Tupper Lake is a great place.... read on!

*Consumer Suggestion: why all the insults

*Consumer Comment: Dawn is for real

*Consumer Comment: Chanell, is not that bad!!!!!!!!!! I know she can be very loving

*Consumer Suggestion: Dawn...

*Consumer Comment: I agree with you

*Consumer Comment: PEOPLE CAN CHANGE!!!!!

*Consumer Comment: THERE IS A CHILD INVOLVED RIGHT???

*Consumer Comment: beautiful place but has ignorant pea brains running it that are interested in lining their pockets with green instead off growth

*Consumer Comment: Tupper Lake......Wow!

*Consumer Comment: I found the never-ending saga of Tupper Lake! :)

*Consumer Comment: Darling - Toronto, Ontario New World Order

*Consumer Comment: Juli and Michelle, WHATEVER!!!!!!!!!!!

*Consumer Comment: David you need help

*Consumer Comment: Sigh Darling

*Consumer Comment: Sigh Darling

*Consumer Comment: Sigh Darling

*Consumer Comment: Sigh Darling

*Consumer Suggestion: Are you people for real...?

*Consumer Comment: "Jim-Bob" Gomer...Side-show freaks should be SEEN and NOT heard!!

*Consumer Comment: Yes Joe Watson we know what your TRUE intentions are

*Consumer Suggestion: Jim..so you are admitting to cyber stalking me then?

*Consumer Comment: What a mess, Chanell, if you are still reading, please get help

*Consumer Comment: Juli and Michelle, are you the two girls from "Wild Things"

*Consumer Comment: Re; Decent people

*Consumer Comment: Still LMAO@Joe Watson from Hamilton Canada

*Consumer Comment: Listen up! Enough is enough, leave Chanell and HER children alone.

*Consumer Suggestion: To Nancy...

*Consumer Suggestion: For Joe

*Consumer Comment: I went beyond just doing rebuttals here and talked to people who know her.

*Consumer Comment: The Tupper Lake HillBilly Rises Again!

*Consumer Suggestion: Jimbo, can't you READ?

*Consumer Suggestion: Jimbo, can't you READ? What part of READ THE OTHER POSTS ABOUT CHANELLE NOW ABUSING HER 7 MONTH OLD DAUGHTER don't you understand?

*Consumer Comment: side-show jim ..look out for your little ones, they are the future of your kind

*Consumer Comment: side-show jim ..look out for your little ones, they are the future of your kind

*Consumer Comment: side-show jim ..look out for your little ones, they are the future of your kind

*Consumer Comment: side-show jim ..look out for your little ones, they are the future of your kind

*Consumer Comment: My prayers are with Chanell

*Consumer Comment: My prayers are with Chanell

*Consumer Comment: My prayers are with Chanell

*Consumer Comment: LMAO@ Joe Watson the CONFIRMED wife and child abuser

*Consumer Comment: Juli has a commrade named Michelle!

*Consumer Comment: Juli has a commrade named Michelle!

*Consumer Comment: Juli has a commrade named Michelle!

*Consumer Comment: Juli has a commrade named Michelle!

*Consumer Comment: decent people

*Consumer Comment: Puppet Master

*Consumer Comment: Fantastic Points, Juli !! Keep up the educational, compassionate, and hilarious responses

*Consumer Suggestion: one more thing Nancy, You seem to have a bad image and narrow minded, ignorant stereotyped view

*Consumer Suggestion: one more thing Nancy, You seem to have a bad image and narrow minded, ignorant stereotyped view

*Consumer Suggestion: one more thing Nancy, You seem to have a bad image and narrow minded, ignorant stereotyped view

*Consumer Suggestion: one more thing Nancy, You seem to have a bad image and narrow minded, ignorant stereotyped view

*Consumer Comment: Nancy... I applaud your cyber Nanny skills.

*Consumer Suggestion: All is not WELL...read the prior posts Jimbo!

*Consumer Comment: I do it for no pay.

*Consumer Comment: Petition To CEASE AND DESIST

*Consumer Comment: Can ANYONE say..."GOT JESUS?"

*Consumer Comment: Juli: File that paperwork, and state irrepairable damage to the future welfare of that childs mind due to Tupper's community abuse on the internet.

*Consumer Comment: Juli and Joe-mamma, It's DONE with and the baby is perfectly fine!

*Consumer Comment: David, Jim and Nancy

*Consumer Suggestion: WHERE is your LOGIC people?

*Consumer Suggestion: Narrow Minds

*Consumer Comment: Juli or Julie? Normally when it looks like a duck, walks like a duck ...

*Consumer Comment: David, Jeff, Jim and Nancy

*Consumer Suggestion: Nancy, READ for content and please comprehend....

*Consumer Suggestion: Nancy, READ for content and please comprehend....

*Consumer Suggestion: Nancy, READ for content and please comprehend....

*Consumer Suggestion: Nancy, READ for content and please comprehend....

*Consumer Comment: Juli lies again lmao

*Consumer Comment: ...you did catch the heads up. :)

*Consumer Suggestion: What Mickey Mouse Report?

*Consumer Comment: Jeff, I don't have any problem with you expressing your feelings

*Consumer Comment: Kudos to Nancy for exposing Juli and whats his name

*Consumer Suggestion: To Nancy in AZ

*Consumer Suggestion: Just my two cents again

*Consumer Comment: w00p!

*Consumer Comment: w00p!

*Consumer Comment: w00p!

*Consumer Comment: David

*Consumer Comment: Juli, s**t you will never get the best of me!

*Consumer Comment: Tupper Lake's evolutionary decline

*Consumer Suggestion: And the crap continues... the Tupper Lake rumor mill...

*Consumer Comment: Moron

*Consumer Comment: Timmy, Timmy, I fear no-one my little fool!

*Consumer Comment: Just call me cupid

*Consumer Comment: Juli, you are funny, NOT! I have a python thank you!

*Consumer Comment: In Response To Jimbo

*Consumer Suggestion: Tupper Lake has become a STATE of Confusion all by itself-of which Jim THINKS he is GOVERNOR ...

*Consumer Comment: Juli, I am mayor of Tupper Lake not Governor idiot!

*Consumer Comment: jim, I admit I spell a lot of words wrong and guess what I could care less

*Consumer Suggestion: Tupper Lake's new form of government: IDIOCRACY!

*Consumer Comment: As Tupper Lake Turns

*Consumer Comment: As Tupper Lake Turns

*Consumer Comment: As Tupper Lake Turns

*Consumer Comment: Not representative of Tupper Lake

*Consumer Comment: juli

*Consumer Comment: juli

*Consumer Comment: juli

*Consumer Comment: juli

*Consumer Comment: The Madder J_Orlando gets, the weaker her position!

*Consumer Suggestion: This is CRAZY!

*Consumer Suggestion: David from Bullhead....read about Community Based Care...Privatized Child Welfare...NOT DCF you idiot!

*Consumer Comment: I CAN'T BELIEVE THIS

*Consumer Comment: The baby boy (little boy now) is fine so drop the issue!

*Consumer Comment: Tim your entitled to your opinion even tho its misplaced

*Consumer Comment: Re; Juli

*Consumer Comment: Kudos to Juli

*Consumer Comment: David from AZ..

*Consumer Comment: Juli, I didn't think they allowed same sex marriage in Florida!

*Consumer Comment: Juli, I didn't think they allowed same sex marriage in Florida!

*Consumer Comment: Juli, I didn't think they allowed same sex marriage in Florida!

*Consumer Comment: Juli, I didn't think they allowed same sex marriage in Florida!

*Consumer Comment: Sick, Sick, Sick...

*Consumer Suggestion: Jim and his many selves

*Consumer Suggestion: Shelly, my apologies

*Consumer Comment: J-Orlando should have a case manager.

*Consumer Comment: Juli I bet your no prize yourself!

*Consumer Comment: excuse me j- orlando

*Consumer Comment: oh ..the ignorance... I AM a case manager...READ WHAT I WROTE ..

*Consumer Comment: J-Orlando You claim you have a case manager with CPS.

*Consumer Suggestion: Jim, if you support such abuse, you are JUST as guilty of child abuse as Chanelle is!

*Consumer Comment: J from Orlando Florida, I will do or say anything I wish outside of my state job!

*Consumer Comment: if youve got something to say...say it yourself !!!

*Consumer Suggestion: If she is still abusing her daughter REPORT HER!

*Consumer Comment: updates on both of chanells kids

*Consumer Comment: updates on both of chanells kids

*Consumer Comment: updates on both of chanells kids

*Consumer Comment: updates on both of chanells kids

*Consumer Suggestion: Give me a break! What's the real issue?

*Consumer Suggestion: I thought NY State screens employees more thoroughly

*Consumer Comment: Tupper Lake Trailer park trash

*Consumer Comment: Amanda, I doubt you have a life!

*Consumer Comment: Sidetracked by a real-life Peyton Place!!!

*Consumer Comment: Sidetracked by a real-life Peyton Place!!!

*Consumer Comment: Amanda, "You have given more rides than Greyhound"

*Consumer Comment: Welcome to the Tupper Lake Reports Joe!

*Consumer Suggestion: all quite entertaining, what about the poor child?

*Consumer Comment: You are right on the money ..enough tax burdens on the people of New York.

*Consumer Comment: Jim Needs A Life

*Consumer Comment: Oh Dear David

*Consumer Comment: Oh Dear David

*Consumer Comment: Oh Dear David

*Consumer Comment: Oh Dear David

*Consumer Comment: What a joke..... I have to say that the decent residents of Tupper Lake really have their hands full.

*Consumer Comment: Is there more to the situation that has not been told?

*Consumer Comment: Abused Baby Deserves Better

*Consumer Comment: All the parenting classes in the world couldnt fix her damaged

*Consumer Suggestion: Jimbo you should be ashamed

*Consumer Comment: Tammy, S.U.N.Y is an accredited college!

*Consumer Comment: To all you idiots

*Consumer Suggestion: Innerbreeding a lot of incest going on in Tupper Lake

*Consumer Comment: Tupper Lake Trailer Trash

*Consumer Comment: This should be forwarded to your CASE MANAGER and the JUDGE

*Consumer Comment: This should be forwarded to your CASE MANAGER and the JUDGE

*Consumer Comment: This should be forwarded to your CASE MANAGER and the JUDGE

*Consumer Comment: This should be forwarded to your CASE MANAGER and the JUDGE

*Consumer Comment: Thanks, David ..Jerry Springer show use to be my "guilty pleasure", now it's reading all about Tupper Lake.

*Consumer Comment: Thanks, David ..Jerry Springer show use to be my "guilty pleasure", now it's reading all about Tupper Lake.

*Consumer Comment: Thanks, David ..Jerry Springer show use to be my "guilty pleasure", now it's reading all about Tupper Lake.

*Consumer Comment: Thanks, David ..Jerry Springer show use to be my "guilty pleasure", now it's reading all about Tupper Lake.

*Consumer Comment: Chanell Pic!

*Consumer Comment: Chanell Pic!

*Consumer Comment: Chanell Pic!

*Consumer Comment: The Whole Truth?

*Consumer Comment: Chanell is fighting to get custody back! she needs to take anger management classes

*Consumer Comment: unfortunate what this baby has lived through

*Consumer Comment: unfortunate what this baby has lived through

*Consumer Comment: unfortunate what this baby has lived through

*Consumer Comment: Curious minds that want to know. Family Court and the authorities

*Consumer Comment: A round of applause for Lisa please

*Consumer Comment: I'm willing to help us both ..would be more than willing to take your child into our loving and stable home and adopt him

*Consumer Comment: I am shocked at the behavior on this board.

*UPDATE Employee: Some People Are Crazy and Don't Mind There Own Business

*Consumer Comment: CAUGHT IN THE SPIDER WEB. SMALL TOWN FEARS,JUSTIFIED!

*Consumer Comment: help this baby please

*Consumer Comment: AREN'T YOU MISSING THE WHOLE POINT HERE?

*Consumer Comment: Hey Katie and Chanell, let's party!

*Consumer Comment: Entitled "Rip-off'

*Consumer Comment: Entitled "Rip-off'

*Consumer Comment: Entitled "Rip-off'

*Consumer Comment: Why do people enjoy this type of drama???

*Consumer Comment: backwards bilhillies

*Consumer Comment: WOW This is amazing

*Consumer Comment: Katie and Chanell, diseased infested sluts

*Consumer Comment: Katie and Chanell, diseased infested sluts

*Consumer Comment: Katie and Chanell, diseased infested sluts

*Consumer Comment: Katie and Chanell, diseased infested sluts

*Consumer Comment: Low Life In The Half Fast Lane

*Consumer Comment: I control and manipulate Gary and Jim

*Consumer Comment: WHAT YOU WANT TO KNOW

*Consumer Suggestion: Tupper Lake never fails to prove to the world what idiots they are!

*Consumer Suggestion: Tupper Lake never fails to prove to the world what idiots they are!

*Consumer Suggestion: Tupper Lake never fails to prove to the world what idiots they are!

*Consumer Comment: Soap Opera

*Consumer Comment: Jennifer Baby! Hard to believe you too are from Arizona.

*Consumer Comment: What ever happened to the poor little boy?

*Consumer Comment: Jay and Silent Bob

*Consumer Comment: DUHHAVID

*Consumer Comment: The baby is back with Jim and Gary?

*Consumer Comment: Stop using my name

*Consumer Comment: Kyla, I am Chanells ex

*Consumer Comment: What happened to the baby?

*Consumer Comment: This is perhaps the saddest and funniest thing I have ever read!

*Consumer Comment: Tupper Lake Makes Me Sad

*Consumer Comment: Rumors

*Consumer Comment: Rumors

*Consumer Comment: Rumors

*Consumer Comment: Rumors

*Consumer Comment: To Corrina from good ole Pennsylvania

*Consumer Comment: Hello from the "real Tupper Lake"

*Consumer Suggestion: what a mess

*Consumer Comment: Go Drink yourselves to Death....please

*Consumer Comment: Dave, Hello!

*Consumer Suggestion: Response to Jim - Oh My Gosh

*Consumer Comment: Look whos Talking Jim Gary Jack LMAO!!!

*Consumer Comment: In response to " Oh my god"

*Consumer Comment: GOOD LORD !

*Consumer Comment: How bout some pics???

*Consumer Comment: Tupperville talk again

*Consumer Comment: Tupper Lake is not so bad.....

*Consumer Comment: A COMMENT TO ALL OF THIS

*Consumer Suggestion: God Bless You and Keep You Safe Chanell

*Consumer Comment: Give your baby a chance

*Consumer Comment: Katie Dechene, has problems

*Consumer Comment: Bad Mother

*Consumer Comment: birth control is so readily available

*Consumer Comment: GROW UP

*Consumer Suggestion: Is everyone in Tupper illiterate?

*Consumer Comment: Are you missing the point Chanell?

*Consumer Suggestion: The Jerry Springer Show ..she does not deserve her baby back!

*Consumer Comment: One to talk

*Consumer Comment: One to talk

*Consumer Comment: One to talk

*Consumer Comment: One to talk

*Consumer Comment: Sick of this

*Consumer Comment: talk is cheap

*Consumer Comment: why don't you get a life

*Consumer Comment: This is sicking Neither of you have room to talk

*Consumer Comment: Katie Dechene is a lying/cheating b*tch

*Consumer Comment: Chenelle should not get her baby back

*Consumer Comment: what part of kentucky are you from?

*Consumer Comment: Dirty Diseased Person...

*Consumer Comment: OMG!

*REBUTTAL Owner of company: YOU SHOULD TALK

*Consumer Comment: Fed Up

*Consumer Comment: FED UP

*Consumer Comment: Stay away from my children

*Consumer Comment: Why do people do this crap

*Consumer Suggestion: solution for people that think abusing children is the way...

*Consumer Comment: Chanelle has not learned her lesson

*0: ... ask any person in the adironack region they will tell you that she is CRAZY!!!!

*Consumer Comment: Channel Fournier: A Twisted Fairy Tale

*Consumer Comment: Channel Fournier: Consider the Life of a Child

*Consumer Comment: would like to comment on report on deadbeat Mom whatever happened to the little baby

*Consumer Comment: Channel Fournier: Consider the Life of a Child

*Consumer Comment: Tossing Life in the trash

*Consumer Comment: Response of Dead Beat Nasty Mother in Tupper Lake

*Consumer Comment: In regards to DeadBeat nasty mother

*Consumer Comment: Chanelle Fournier- child abuse

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Chanell Fournier of Tupper Lake NY abused her 3 week old son. She through him into a 3 foot tall snow bank and just left him there crying.It was only over a babysitter. What else could she do if its even worse than just getting a babysitter? Just think of how sycho she really is!!!! What do you think should happen to a woman who throws an infant into a snow bank??? Should she get him back or not??


This is the now famous Chanell.

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#1 Consumer Comment

Thank you Tupper Lake!!!

AUTHOR: TupperFan - (United States of America)

A bit of background...  Recently I was on a trip to Tupper lake for a bit of the old canoe/camp experience.  I was expecting a quaint mountain town similar to a Norman Rockwell painting with pleasant people.  I was a little let down when I noticed that the locals did not seem friendly, and kinda seemed like the scummy meth addicts from down south.  Everyone seemed frumpy and like they just came off a 2 day bender, etc..  So I decided to do some snooping around on google, and I came up with this site.  I must say now, this is probably enough reading material to last me years.  I have been going non stop all day on this one single thread, and there are like 15 pages full of long threads all detailing who's screwing who and who's the town drunk and who molests their kids and gets away with it.  My god people, all I can say is thank god for Tupper Lake.  I fear this thread has died tho, and maybe I caught it at the tail end.  I hope to breathe some new life into this thread and get the gossip going again!!!  Please people, I just found this site today!
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#2 Consumer Suggestion

what a loser

AUTHOR: Marie - (U.S.A.)

oh my God.this is one of the saddest things ive ever heard of.why should she get that baby back? she needs to be fixed so she cant do this again,but from the replys i read,its too late.some idiot got her pregnant again.looking at her pic,its obvious she is on something.crack? meth? paitn thinner? its sad how she replys but doesnt sat anything about the baby.instead she talks about going to some bar to start a fight.is that really whats more important chanell? fighting somebody because you did something stupid and now everyone you know is talking about you? i hope you loose the baby your pregnant with and i hope you dont get your child back ever.you dont deserve to be in a house with children period.
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#3 Consumer Comment

Help!

AUTHOR: Marco - (U.S.A.)

First, my apologies for what may seem like an attempt at 'thread-hijacking', but this is not my intent. I have a question.

Twice, now, I have attempted to post a report of my own - twice, it has failed to show up on the boards.

I follow all the procedures, and fill in all of the required fields. I click 'submit', and the next page indicates that I have indeed submitted a report.

Yet, when I search for it, I can never find it, even after waiting for a full day. I have enabled cookies.

Has anyone had any problems with this? Suggestions?

Thanks in advance!

Marco
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#4 Consumer Comment

Head down, Nunya..it's quiet time

AUTHOR: Daniel - (U.S.A.)

If you didn't want to get ragged on, then you should not have posted a fluff piece on this despicable town. Anyone with a morsel of intelligence could recognize that this woman (and her treatment of her child) deserves castigation. However, if you intend to post on these pages and never have your assertions challenged, then it may be best for you to consult your diary instead. There, no one ever responds, disagrees, or challenges the validity of your arguments. Here on ROR, we WILL come at you with valid criticism to your fluff. So put away the rabbit ears and lose the whining.
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#5 Consumer Comment

up urs

AUTHOR: Nunya - (U.S.A.)

first of all dont come at me with the keep my legs closed bullshit unlike some people in some states who only think of themselves when it comes to this topic i am thinking about a child who was abused by a sick woman...im not on here talkin about beatin some bitches a*s or takin pics of a town or even talkin about whose sleepin with who...i know tupper lake i have some family that live there...not everyone in the little f**ked up town of tupper lake is as sick as chanell or sleep around or are as retarded to have nothin better to do than to sit at a computer and talk about beating this person up or f - --in that person up...my god we are all supose to be adults here and i have yet to see alot of them that have commented on this issue...yes there are some who are adults and who have talked about the whole point of this topic but there are others who are on here criticizing people about who they have f**ked or how they live or what they do for a living..i am sure there is a shitty little town in every state you go to...but if you really want to get personal just let me know i have no problem leaving my email adress to the ones who are so concerned with wether i keep my legs closed or not....
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#6 Consumer Comment

A word for Nunya.... keep your legs closed and your head on a swivel...

AUTHOR: Daniel - (U.S.A.)

Even GOD knew when to throw in the towel when a place became so corrupt and immoral that it warranted extinction from the face of the Earth. Tupper Lake did not just fall into the laps of the posting individuals. It is a place so devoid of decent living that it literally screams for criticism. If you are so concerned with the devolving gene pool in that place, perhaps you should make a trek to the area and work the miracle of reform. Just make sure you keep your legs closed and your head on a swivel...
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#7 Consumer Comment

unbelievable - not everyone in tupper lake is as cold and evil

AUTHOR: Nunya - (U.S.A.)

I cant not believe the comments that some of you people call adults have left on here...this site is about a woman who left her newborn child in a s****.!!
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#8 Consumer Comment

Sterilization--- PLEASE!

AUTHOR: Martin - (U.S.A.)

What better arguement to justify mandatory sterilization? Excuses and reasons aside to possibly explain doing such a wicked thing to a child, she certainly should never be able to conceive another one, nor be around others---period. She's more than proven herself impossible to be trusted around children ever again. Scary!
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#9 Consumer Comment

People get a life and mind your own business!

AUTHOR: Curt - (U.S.A.)

ALL I HAVE TO SAY ABOUT ALL THESE COMMENTS OF WHICH I READ MAYBE TWO..IS WHO CARES AND THAT YOU PEOPLE ARE PATHETIC AND NEED TO GET A LIFE!
DO YOU THINK CHANELLE IS THE ONLY BAD MOTHER IN THE WORLD THAT DOES THIS TO HER CHILD? YOU ACT LIKE IT! AGAIN WHO CARES..I JUST WANT TO KNOW ABOUT RIPOFFS REGARDING MY MONEY NOT SOME PERSON MISSTREATING THEIR CHILD..THAT HAPPENS DAILY!
ALSO, WHO SAW THE BABY GET THROWN INTO THE SNOW
BANK? WHY DIDN'T YOU DO SOMETHING RIGHT THEN? HOW BOUT A GOOD OLD a*s WHOOPIN FOR CHANELLE. DAM PEOPLE TAKE THE LAW INTO YOUR OWN HANDS AND STOP WASTING SPACE HERE ON RIPOFFREPORT.COM AND FOR CRYING OUT LOUD SHUT UP ABOUT CHANELLE AND LET HER LIVE HER F***ED UP LIFE! THAT BABY IS SO YOUNG IT WON'T REMEMBER WHAT HAPPENED. SO PEOPLE GET INVOLVED IN YOUR COMMUNITY AND CHARITIES BUT DON'T COME HERE TALKING SMACK ABOUT SOMEONE WHEN ALL THESE COMMENTS ARE HERESAY AS FAR AS IM CONCERNED! NUFF SAID! P.S. GOT ANY NUDES OF CHANELLE? LOL!
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#10 Consumer Comment

People get a life and mind your own business!

AUTHOR: Curt - (U.S.A.)

ALL I HAVE TO SAY ABOUT ALL THESE COMMENTS OF WHICH I READ MAYBE TWO..IS WHO CARES AND THAT YOU PEOPLE ARE PATHETIC AND NEED TO GET A LIFE!
DO YOU THINK CHANELLE IS THE ONLY BAD MOTHER IN THE WORLD THAT DOES THIS TO HER CHILD? YOU ACT LIKE IT! AGAIN WHO CARES..I JUST WANT TO KNOW ABOUT RIPOFFS REGARDING MY MONEY NOT SOME PERSON MISSTREATING THEIR CHILD..THAT HAPPENS DAILY!
ALSO, WHO SAW THE BABY GET THROWN INTO THE SNOW
BANK? WHY DIDN'T YOU DO SOMETHING RIGHT THEN? HOW BOUT A GOOD OLD a*s WHOOPIN FOR CHANELLE. DAM PEOPLE TAKE THE LAW INTO YOUR OWN HANDS AND STOP WASTING SPACE HERE ON RIPOFFREPORT.COM AND FOR CRYING OUT LOUD SHUT UP ABOUT CHANELLE AND LET HER LIVE HER F***ED UP LIFE! THAT BABY IS SO YOUNG IT WON'T REMEMBER WHAT HAPPENED. SO PEOPLE GET INVOLVED IN YOUR COMMUNITY AND CHARITIES BUT DON'T COME HERE TALKING SMACK ABOUT SOMEONE WHEN ALL THESE COMMENTS ARE HERESAY AS FAR AS IM CONCERNED! NUFF SAID! P.S. GOT ANY NUDES OF CHANELLE? LOL!
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#11 Consumer Comment

People get a life and mind your own business!

AUTHOR: Curt - (U.S.A.)

ALL I HAVE TO SAY ABOUT ALL THESE COMMENTS OF WHICH I READ MAYBE TWO..IS WHO CARES AND THAT YOU PEOPLE ARE PATHETIC AND NEED TO GET A LIFE!
DO YOU THINK CHANELLE IS THE ONLY BAD MOTHER IN THE WORLD THAT DOES THIS TO HER CHILD? YOU ACT LIKE IT! AGAIN WHO CARES..I JUST WANT TO KNOW ABOUT RIPOFFS REGARDING MY MONEY NOT SOME PERSON MISSTREATING THEIR CHILD..THAT HAPPENS DAILY!
ALSO, WHO SAW THE BABY GET THROWN INTO THE SNOW
BANK? WHY DIDN'T YOU DO SOMETHING RIGHT THEN? HOW BOUT A GOOD OLD a*s WHOOPIN FOR CHANELLE. DAM PEOPLE TAKE THE LAW INTO YOUR OWN HANDS AND STOP WASTING SPACE HERE ON RIPOFFREPORT.COM AND FOR CRYING OUT LOUD SHUT UP ABOUT CHANELLE AND LET HER LIVE HER F***ED UP LIFE! THAT BABY IS SO YOUNG IT WON'T REMEMBER WHAT HAPPENED. SO PEOPLE GET INVOLVED IN YOUR COMMUNITY AND CHARITIES BUT DON'T COME HERE TALKING SMACK ABOUT SOMEONE WHEN ALL THESE COMMENTS ARE HERESAY AS FAR AS IM CONCERNED! NUFF SAID! P.S. GOT ANY NUDES OF CHANELLE? LOL!
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#12 Consumer Suggestion

It's time for another episode of "As Tupper Lake Turns"

AUTHOR: Toni - (U.S.A.)

It's been a while, and I have been wondering what is going on with Chanell Fournier and the rest of the trailer trash in Tupper Lake, NY.

I heard that FOX Television is interested in buying the rights to this story!
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#13 Consumer Comment

Chanell, was my ex-girlfriend! She was bad but has changed!

AUTHOR: James - (U.S.A.)

To all people:

I beg you to leave Chanell ALONE! I believe she has changed and is a good mother to a daughter and a son in part because of the exposure that came from rip off report. Anyway, I see how a woman can change after having a child. See Chanell was miserable with me and her dad before she had a baby. I Will never understand Chanell but will love her just the same. Chanell, was an evil person or strong willed as she punched me 5 times in the face while in an argument, I was drunk and it pissed me off, I put her over my knee and slapped her a*s 5 times. I am not a female beater, but if a woman hits me they will have re-percussions. Chanell and I still talk now and then.
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#14 Consumer Comment

Count me in... Thinking summer 2006 RV trip since lodging will be a challenge and you'd probably get crabs from the hotel linens anyway.

AUTHOR: Jennifer - (U.S.A.)

Direct flight from DIA to Albany next Saturday...$700.

Rental car for 2 1/2 hour drive to Tupper Lake...$35 per day.

Front row barstool for what looks like a strange and twisted play...priceless.

I'm in.

Thinking summer 2006 RV trip since lodging will be a challenge and you'd probably get crabs from the hotel linens anyway.

Regrettably, this post has come to the forefront once again. If you copy and past the whole thing into Word, it's over 200 pages--it's generated that much attention. For those who've not bothered to read ALL of the material, rest assured...Alexander is reportedly doing well as are Chanell and her little girl. The most recent postings regarding her welfare indicate that she is in a stable relationship and that she and her significant other are providing a good home for their child.

To those of you who "knock" her photo...compare it to the one of Polly Garvey. Her picture is a professional photograph that should be "Polly-On-A-Good-Day", right? Cut Chanell some slack...this photo looks like it was taken on the fly, she was surprised, and they didn't even use red-eye reduction. What's Polly's excuse? She KNEW she was getting her picture taken and she still looks like sin dipped in misery.

Overall, Chanell's "picture" has improved. She's, reportedly made changes in her life for the better and she probably looks a lot better now too as a result.

The title of this report is inflammatory and naturally, it generates interest; yet, some of the suggestions on the proper handling of the situation were appalling. Under the circumstances, it would certainly appear that things have worked out for the best.

On a side note: Sick of this - Tupper, New York wrote on 9/24/2002, addressing Katie "I know where the father of your child is and If he was here he would take care of his child but we know where he is and personally I think your crazy family put him where he is I don't think he did it himself." I ask, can someone clear the air on this ONE? (Might I strongly suggest taking it to a new report so Chanell's can get a rest?)

And, one more thing, Did Jim get to make an appearance on the Jerry Springer show? Seriously? If he did, then there's footage out there...

Big Fan.
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#15 Consumer Comment

I'm in on the vacation to Tupper Lake, Who needs tickets to Springer when we can go to Tupper Lake?

AUTHOR: Elizabeth - (U.S.A.)

Hey, on the way to Tupper Lake stop thru St. Louis and pick me up!! I have to see this town, I'm already scheduling vacation time from work so I can see this live and in person. Who needs tickets to Springer when we can go to Tupper Lake?
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#16 Consumer Comment

The Real Issue is the poor little baby boy

AUTHOR: Sharon - (U.S.A.)

I resent the use of the words "trailer trash."
I live in a mobile home, and don't drink or use drugs. That analogy is very unkind and untrue.

The real issue here is the poor little baby boy.
Too many of the responses have gone the other direction versus focusing on the little one.

My thoughts and prayers are with the baby!!!
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#17 Consumer Comment

Town Mixers

AUTHOR: Mike - (U.S.A.)

I have finally figured out what is going on in this town! NO there is no inbreeding going on, OK maybe a little, OK maybe a lot.. The major problem I see here is that the town of Tupper Lake NY needs to stop holding their Fall Town Mixer at the local Mental Hospital. Yes inbreeding will cause the mental defects that we see here on ROR but come on people when you start breeding with the Mentally Handicapped and then start to inbreed into that, what you have is a recipe for Tupper Lake.. I have heard that the lodge has been opened up full time, so what do you say people want to rent a tour bus and drive up to Big Tupper Lake and watch as the fun ensues as the local yokels go about their daily lives of scamming, rapping, Killing and breeding with one another. Oh and least I forget abusing children. GOD I love small town life.
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#18 Consumer Comment

Not worth it ..just get fixed and save us tax payers the trouble

AUTHOR: Doctor Doom - (U.S.A.)

After seeing this broad's picture I don't think a 12 pack would make her look any better. Skanks breeding children like this loser have no place in decent society and should just get fixed and save us tax payers the trouble.
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#19 Consumer Comment

Karlton, you need a life! Chanell has been punished enough and will not be charged any further for the supposed act.

AUTHOR: James - (U.S.A.)

d**n, jack off, Chanell has been punished enough and will not be charged any further for the supposed act. I suggest ALL drop it as nothing new will come from this report. This report is sooooo old it isn't even funny. I will expose ALL new Tupper Lake corruption though as it continues to grow. I will be posting new pictures and new topics very shortly. All that Jim/James post are true to the extent of the stories posted by us. In the case that some idiots post under my name inflaming my name or trying to implicate my name in any crime or wrong doing I reserve the right to advise the ripoffreport to exclude such reports from being posted. If posted, I will have no legal liability to the posts.
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#20 Consumer Comment

Karlton, you need a life! Chanell has been punished enough and will not be charged any further for the supposed act.

AUTHOR: James - (U.S.A.)

d**n, jack off, Chanell has been punished enough and will not be charged any further for the supposed act. I suggest ALL drop it as nothing new will come from this report. This report is sooooo old it isn't even funny. I will expose ALL new Tupper Lake corruption though as it continues to grow. I will be posting new pictures and new topics very shortly. All that Jim/James post are true to the extent of the stories posted by us. In the case that some idiots post under my name inflaming my name or trying to implicate my name in any crime or wrong doing I reserve the right to advise the ripoffreport to exclude such reports from being posted. If posted, I will have no legal liability to the posts.
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#21 Consumer Comment

Karlton, you need a life! Chanell has been punished enough and will not be charged any further for the supposed act.

AUTHOR: James - (U.S.A.)

d**n, jack off, Chanell has been punished enough and will not be charged any further for the supposed act. I suggest ALL drop it as nothing new will come from this report. This report is sooooo old it isn't even funny. I will expose ALL new Tupper Lake corruption though as it continues to grow. I will be posting new pictures and new topics very shortly. All that Jim/James post are true to the extent of the stories posted by us. In the case that some idiots post under my name inflaming my name or trying to implicate my name in any crime or wrong doing I reserve the right to advise the ripoffreport to exclude such reports from being posted. If posted, I will have no legal liability to the posts.
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#22 Consumer Comment

Karlton, you need a life! Chanell has been punished enough and will not be charged any further for the supposed act.

AUTHOR: James - (U.S.A.)

d**n, jack off, Chanell has been punished enough and will not be charged any further for the supposed act. I suggest ALL drop it as nothing new will come from this report. This report is sooooo old it isn't even funny. I will expose ALL new Tupper Lake corruption though as it continues to grow. I will be posting new pictures and new topics very shortly. All that Jim/James post are true to the extent of the stories posted by us. In the case that some idiots post under my name inflaming my name or trying to implicate my name in any crime or wrong doing I reserve the right to advise the ripoffreport to exclude such reports from being posted. If posted, I will have no legal liability to the posts.
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#23 Consumer Suggestion

How many?

AUTHOR: Karlton - (U.S.A.)

James how many times do you have to kill to be called a killer? How about not telling the truth? How many times before you are called a liar? She can go and say whatever but she is still a "special" person.

So how about you post some recent photos showing her good side if she has one?
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#24 Consumer Comment

Let Chanell live her life! I know what she did was wrong but christ, she has been to counseling and has changed.

AUTHOR: James - (U.S.A.)

I am Chanells ex-boyfriend and I know what she did was wrong but christ, she has been to counseling and has changed. Tupper Lake is so small and informative that gossip here is very rampant. I will answer any questions that you may have about Chanell, but please don't be stupid about the questions. Once again, I will tell the truth about ALL the TRUE escapades of Tupper Lake!
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#25 Consumer Suggestion

channel girl, you better get on the ball - Tupper lake only have one branch on the family tree

AUTHOR: Daniel - (U.S.A.)

My last response was, She reminded me of street people on Buffalo's East side & Baltimore's east & west sides. i was trying to say it seems like the people of Tupper lake only have one branch on the family tree. Baltimore, MD seems like Tupper Lake magnified times 20!! Chanell, if you read this I hope your'e getting your life back on track, & that your child will not be a permanent ward of Albany!
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#26 Consumer Suggestion

Blame Canada = I WANT MY Tupper TV!

AUTHOR: Karlton - (U.S.A.)

Was there a song about Blame Canada? Oh YES it came from South Park or was it South Tupper Lake? LOL!

Who has the the matches for the public witch bruning?

I WANT MY Tupper TV!
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#27 Consumer Comment

Proud to be a CANADIAN!!! NOTE: most Tupper Lakers are Canadian!

AUTHOR: Caroline - (Canada)

Geesh, after reading most, but not all of the comments on this site am I EVER glad I don't live here!! How proud you all must be to live in such a close family atmospher you call Tupper.
Wow, Never knew what I was missing. Sucks to be me eh? NOT!!!!!!

Perhaps you all down there should learn to
"Mind your own business and someday maybe, just maybe you'll have a business to mind"

Unbelievable that you could be so vindictive. Why don't you all just have a huge Bon Fire and burn the b***h at the Stake? Sounds like maybe the mother of the little boy isn't the only person in need of mental help here. Looked at what was written by yourselves lately? Instead of berating the poor girl why not offer a helping hand to get her on the right path and protect those sweet innocent babies in the process?

Family's help each other, not beat each other up mentally. I'm proud to be a Canadian, wouldn't want to be a member of an American Family if this is how you act.

Totally Disgusting!
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#28 Consumer Comment

All American umbrella of freedom covers slime too

AUTHOR: Paratrooper - (U.S.A.)

Jim and Chanel,

Your both slime, but you already knew that. Jim your state job is rediculous, calling yourself a "state" employee smears the name of every other decent person employed by NY, but do so if you must. God and everybody here knows your self esteem needs it haha.

Look people I'm from WA state but I have relatives in TL, and its not all made up of this slime. In fact I just put in for a pass to go visit the area and family its actually beautiful country, however its the few that tarnish the many in this case. Jim, your a f*g dude, do you REALLY walk around taking pictures of people and things!? HAHA awesome man, I'm glad that some of the freedoms I defend can be so perverted and entertaining to the rest of the normal population. One last thing Jim, you gotta quit threatening females man, it screams b***h. Tell your cumdumpster ex I say hello.

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#29 Consumer Comment

Whoa. You people are all nuts.

AUTHOR: Melissa - (U.S.A.)

Tupper sounds just like Newport VT. Lots of white trash junkies there. If you ever want to get away, Channell, take a trip to Newport. It's far enough away where you won't have to deal with the people who currently pisss you off, but similar enough so that you won't get culture shock. LOL.

I will never ever ever go to Tupper, NY. You people are all nuts.
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#30 Consumer Suggestion

Make MONEY for Tupper Lake

AUTHOR: Karlton - (U.S.A.)

Who has the TV rights to "As the elementary school turns" otherwise known as life in Tupper Lake. You people are a hilarious inbred bunch of dope heads, drop outs or want to be dope heads and drop outs.

Your sitting on a MINT! WEEK AFTER WEEK PRIME TV TIME could fund a "skool 4 U 2 go 2" LOL @ Tupper Lake NY. Run Hillary Run from Ney York, I am sure all the Tupper Lake people support her.
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#31 UPDATE EX-employee responds

Chanell & Tupper Lake, I hope Chanell dosen't have her baby back.

AUTHOR: Daniel - (U.S.A.)

I also hope if she has any brain cells left, that she gets her life on track. That picture of her looks like the hoes back in my hometown of Buffalo, NY. To be exact she looks like she's from Buffalo's East Side. Here in Baltimore, MD, she'd be just another crack/heroin h*o from either east or west Balto. It sounds like the majority of people in tupper lake only have one branch of their family tree!!!!!
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#32 Consumer Comment

Every state in America has a 'black sheep' city like this. I am just suprised there are REDNECKS in New York!

AUTHOR: Sarah - (U.S.A.)

Reading the responses, I have lost many brain cells.....
Most everyone on here CANNOT spell!

Every state in America has a 'black sheep' city like this. I am just suprised there are REDNECKS in New York!

I think what Chanell did was terrible, and she should have her tubes tied and rot in jail. End of story.

I read her postings. If I was her, I would be pretty pissed that so many people have slandered me over a course of SEVERAL years! WITH HER PHOTO! But she has no sense whatsoever...and girls like that do not have ANY dignity.
Sad fact is, there are many girls like that.
Their parents are scum, too.

Now for this JIM guy, he is definately a.....

It seems he has absolutely nothing better to do than to be paranoid over who is talking about him or who knows him. If that is his concern, then he shouldn't post any of his stupid comments.
He spends most of his life gossiping and trashing people behind a computer. And bragging about a state job; that's pretty funny. Most state jobs pay very poorly in comparison to a FEDERAL job, which definately has more BRAGGING rights.

Again, they pay poorly, but maybe from where you are from (I sense a lot of the young people definately do not have an education past the 5th grade) maybe you're high on the corporate ladder.

I am, however, suprised that he can spell.
What wonders a SPELLCHECKER can do when you copy and paste.
I would hope all other illiterate posters could run a SPELLCHECK or grammer check or at least put a period at the end of your sentences.

I give props to the people out of state where I did not get a brain freeze from trying to comprehend their postings. Good job to those of you who can both read and write! (seriously!)

I am not trying to be cruel...but you state your case much better when you can actually spell and/or read. I always though New York had some of the best education systems!

About Chanell....her day will come.

She'll be a pot-bellied 30 year old with 4 or 5 kids, missing teeth, with the big 80's hair-do and stretch pants.
She'll be collecting child support from JIM with his big paying STATE job, and visiting her 'baby's daddie's' in jail. By this time, her tubes will be shrivled up...since they made it mandotory for her to get them tied. The welfare checks won't be sufficient, but the BJ's behind Mud Puddles will help out with the crack and alcohol addictions. She will slap her kids around and curse at them violently. Her friends will abandon her unless they want to 'pass the pipe'. Her man on the side will be bald and pot-bellied as well...with missing teeth of course.
His back will be hairy, even more so than his own balding head. He'll be wearing stained up wife-beaters with torn boxers and scratching his belly as he walks out of the trailer to grab a beer out of the cooler.
I so much hope that reality hits this girl before this 'vision' above becomes a reality...and becomes a reality for many of the young girls that posted on this site.
GO TO SCHOOL! Get a job! Quit popping out babies, abusing them, then reaping the benefits from the NEW YORK TAX PAYERS!!!
THIS IS YOUR WAKE UP CALL!

At least learn how to read for crying out loud, and keep your LEGS CLOSED!

Someone should seriously contact Jerry Springer, or I will.
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#33 Consumer Comment

Has this woman had a mental health evaluation?

AUTHOR: E - (U.S.A.)

I admit, I only read a small fraction of these reports because I simply got tired. What I'm wondering, though, is if anyone in the state system has considered requiring this girl to submit to a psychiatric evaluation. If child protective services is serious about returning the child to the mother, they should seriously consider this in addition to anger management and any other required programs. Considering many people have commented about both her temper and substance abuse, which is often a subconscious attempt to self-medicate, it seems to me that she may suffer from a mood disorder. If that is the case, the right medication (provided she complies)would greatly improve the chances for a positive outcome and a safe environment for the child.
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#34 Consumer Comment

Why is what you say true as you describe it? Think about this...

AUTHOR: Michele - (U.S.A.)

You obviously have underlying isses with this Chanelle woman. (Or however you spell the name) You make these people angry reading your story, but I wonder how much exagerating you have put in to it. Did she toss him in a snow bank, or did she try to collect her child and maybe he threw a fit and tossed himself there? Maybe she walked off as he threw a big temper tantrum, leaving him to cool his jets and come to his senses. Yes, you really have to be exaggerating. If you are not, you're the dumb for posting your venom here instead of calling the police department or DCFS to investigate> Shame Shame Shame on you! Tisk tisk
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#35 Consumer Comment

I am not clear whether I should fall down laughing, or cry!

AUTHOR: D - (U.S.A.)

I am truly horrified by the unbelievable mountain of s**t that I just scanned through... surrounding this person(s) and the alleged mis-behavior. It is mind boggling to any person with even half a brain, let alone with normal intelligence, that this kind of mental sickness is thrown up on the web for the whole world to see... and then puke!

My God people! Get professional help, see a priest, jump off a high rise, anything... just cease this ugly display... you are embarassing all those who ever felt we were all "human".

This is not the kind of thing you put out in front od the whole world to see..and then invite them to pass jusdgment on each other! Please grow up! Anything, just stop this horrifying display of stupidity.

God help us all... we need it!
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#36 Consumer Comment

What is wrong with you people.?

AUTHOR: Susan - (U.S.A.)

I have read all the posts on this topic. Although, there were only a handful that were actually literate enough to read. It seems to me, that the people who inhabit this place called Tupper Lake, are the reason that the gene pool should be chlorinated.

You apparently know nothing about grammar or literacy. I bet your dilapidated, decaying town doesn't even have a library. Or are you just too stupid to read the sign, because you dont' realize that library is spelled, (not spelt) L-I-B-R-A-R-Y!!!!!?

After you all actually get away from your computer and go back to S-C-H-O-O-L to learn how to S-P-E-L-L, then perhaps you can go to the L-I-B-R-A-R-Y and learn to R-E-A-D and W-R-I-T-E.

I have never seen more grammatically incorrect postings in my life. My 5 year-old stepdaughter can spell better than most of you.

Reproduction should be against the law in "them there parts" of Tupper Lake.

You guys from Tupper Lake that post on here, are a bunch of degenerate, inbred, Jerry Springer wanna-be, retards who have nothing better do with your lives.

How about utilizing more time in a more productive manner.? Go buy yourselve's a dictionary. Or in your town you might spell it d**k-tionary.....
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#37 Consumer Comment

Kara, You Need The Kind Of "Life" That Can't Be Bought In The Cereal Aisle. EVERYONE deserves a second chanse to redeem themselves..

AUTHOR: Michelle - (U.S.A.)

Before I begin, I must say that I find it QUITE surprising that I have wandered back onto this site after being away for so long. I REALLY thought that after the last "tiff" with Jim/"Gomer", I was done with this thread. However, when I received this recent notification of a rebuttal from "ED" at Rip-off Report and his staff (who by the way, are doing a MARVELOUS job, as usual), I just HAD to respond.

First, I want to thank "Concerned - Upper New York" for providing a touching, significant and contributing response to this stream of "B.S." regarding your friend. Unlike the responses posted by "Jim LaVair", your's didn't come across in a snide, attacking manner, was very informative, and spoke of RECENT, first-hand accounts. Honestly, I was one of those who came down pretty hard on Chanell when I initially heard of this "baby-in-the-s****. />
I REALLY believe that there have been a number of well-meaning people that have added sincere, out-reaching responses here. However, throughout the rhetoric and unnecessary drama that has crept in here, those messages and their sentiments, have gotten lost somehow.

EVERYONE deserves a second chanse to redeem themselves....Not ONLY to THEMSELVES, but their accusers, to those who have been hurt or wronged by their words, actions, and deeds.....as WELL as to the ultimate judge of ALL of our public AND secret transgressions. And it has taken for me to RE-gain a renewed faith in that ultimate judge, in order to understand that I am JUST as guilty as Chanell for throwing that baby into the s****. />
With THAT said...

TO CHANELL: Should you ever have an occassion to revisit this site and make it down this far to read this comment, PLEASE allow me to be the FIRST to congratulate you on your progess. It takes a VERY big person to come through what you've been put through (legal issues, public humiliation, post-partum depression, child birth....). None of us were with you that evening of the "incident", nor had we had the birth of a child affect us in the way that yours did. I am eternally thankful that no long-term harm came to the child, however.

No matter WHAT has transpired since then, apparently SOMEONE has deemed you capable of caring for, and interacting with BOTH of your children, so I will leave THAT decision for the qualified, "hired" individuals in charge of your case. I commend you on your onward moving progress, SINCERELY apologize for my misplaced judgment against you, and pray for the health, happiness, and inner peace for you and your family.

Vera....Vera....Vera....WHAT can I say to you in response to your rebuttal addressed to "Kara", except....YOU GO GIRL!!!!

Also, I want to say "thank you" for the kind words expressed in your response entitled "Hmmmm 'kay...and then there were none." Honestly, each time that I receive an e-mail notification of yet ANOTHER rebuttal to this 'ancient' story, I am surprised. However, your response to "Kara" REALLY piqued and renewed my interest in responding to this thread. I'm sure that you went WAY over her head, so don't expect ANY display of cognitive thinking skills in her rebuttals.

"Sally", I tend to agree with your recent comments... the responses, rebuttals, and absurd arguments stemming from this thread are QUITE humorous.

It seems as though people like "Kara" are projecting their OWN issues, and are CLEARLY not focused on the issues/arguments at hand (which by now, has been clarified TOO many times...is YEARS old now!)

A word of advice to "Kara": 1. The NEXT time you find that your oral sphincter muscle loses it's grip, and another outpouring of S-H-I-T comes spewing forth from your mouth....KEEP IT TO YOURSELF! When we want your opinion the next time, just look my way....I'LL give it to you. And 2. Word processing program + Spell Check = An articulate-sounding individual. Try it sometime, love....it's the NEXT best thing to "Hooked-On-Phonics".

(Note to ALL new and future readers of this never-ending thread: "Concerned's" post was added on 08/27/04, and CLEARLY indicates that ALL is well with Chanelle and her children. Therefore, YOU now need to move on, (yes....that means you, TOO "Kara") and allow her to learn and heal from that mistake made years ago(which, I'm sure, is VERY minute in comparison to some of those committed by people in this forum, strangers to, and acquaintances of Chanell included.)

As I have stated in previous posts, I don't know any of the inhabitants of Tupper Lake, so I have NO personal interest in coming to the defense of ANYONE in this thread. However, DON'T all of you think that it is time to move onto something more "meaningful" and productive? Chanell has.....
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#38 UPDATE Employee

Fanklin County and Tupper Lake, New York: "Deliverance" revisited!

AUTHOR: James - (U.S.A.)

I do not know the individuals mentioned in this childish and immature Rip-Off Report entry, but I'd like to state for the record on the type of people who live in the town of Tupper Lake, New York. I live approximately 60 miles east of Tupper Lake, and I'd like to tell those of you who are unfamiliar with this area (located in the boondocks of Northeastern New York State) about the type of ignorant pathetic, ill-educated, low-life losers who inhabit the town of Tupper Lake. Franklin County, New York is one of the poorest counties in all of New York State, as the only real employer in the area is the State of New York Department of Criminal Justice Services (There is a large State Prison located in nearby Dannemora). As a consequence, the people who fail to get an education and move out of this economically depressed area are, to put it bluntly, the lowest of the low. There is absolutely nothing to do in these towns, which are located LITERALLY in the middle of nowhere. This boredom frequently results in an unusually high proportion of alcoholism and drug abuse. I suspect that Chanell Fournier is simply a product of this unfortunate fact. It's a shame that a small child is involved, but what can we, as outsiders do about it? I hope that the local child protective services personnel make an informed decision about the fitness of Ms. Fournier as a mother, and act accordingly!
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#39 Consumer Comment

LMAO! This is comedy central! ..this thread is no laughing matter

AUTHOR: Sally - (U.S.A.)

I stumbled upon this site quite by accident while researching a Texas real estate company, and wow! This is comedy central!

Some of you are too funny! Of course the abuse that started this thread is no laughing matter, but some of your comments are hilarious.

One question though - can anyone in Tupper Lake spell?
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#40 Consumer Suggestion

To the "Parents' Rights Activist".

AUTHOR: Vera - (U.S.A.)

Hmmmh....where to begin, where to begin....

Firstly, let's start off by stating the obvious. If, in fact, you had read through every post in this painfully LONG thread, you'd note three things right off the bat:

1.) This post is YEARS old. The child who was dropped in the s****. /> Even Chanelle herself has managed to clean up her act, and is trying to get her life together.

2.) Chanelle has had friends let her in on this little tidbit of information; some of them have stood in her defense, and others have bought out information that confirms her character in a negative manner.

3.) Chanelle (at the time of the original post) didn't own a computer. She has, however, managed to get to a friend's computer to see this website--more specifically, this particular page--and HAS responded. Her responses were nothing to the tune of self defense, but more to point out that her friends and other girls at the local watering hole (Mudd Puddles) are just as sleazy, dress like prostitutes, and that "folks need to mind their own busness" (put more politely). Not one time did she own up to making a mistake or even deny the acusations standing against her. She doesn't owe US an apology, though....she does owe her child one---both of them, actually---because her behaviour was nothing short of monstrous.

You see, Miss Kara...not too many people think it's a condonable thing, throwing a tantrum and dropping a three week old baby into a s****. />
And don't give me the "poor teenaged Mom, doesn't know what to do" whine either. She was over twenty-one, unless the Tavern serves minors or the legal drinking age is lower in Tupper Lake (why would that not surprise me?!) than it is across the U.S.

If such is the case, than maybe teenaged kids need to stop exercising the right to have sex...or are you okay with that too? (I'd bet you are, for some reason...). LMAO.

Oh...and another note about how you think the person who offered to adopt thinks they are "better" than Chanelle because they have "more money to provide material things":
I don't recall that person saying they were better, except for the fact that they would raise the child in a loving home. And as far as "going out and having one of their own"...maybe they can't, or they are a mature couple...or maybe, the nest is now empty and they made a good faith offer. How does that imply that they come off with a "better than you" attitude? In my opinion, that does lend them a little credibility. They were kind...and you jumped them for it.

"Children would be born with instruction manuals"...spoken like a true piss-ant. I don't suppose, you've heard of free parenting classes?
(Of course, considering whom you're defending, I'd seriously doubt that.)But, if you have heard of the free classes, I'd love to have you enlighten me on how dropping a defenseless baby in a s****. /> You strike me as a person who thinks of a child as "an unfortunate end result of f**king".

Have you ever even seen a three-week old baby?
They are still pink, sleep, feed, and go to the bathroom most of the time; they are completely trusting and dependant upon the mercies (or lack thereof) of their mother. They still have that newborn smell...because they are still newborn!
All they want to do or be, is close to Mommy.
I've had the pleasure of being a Mom...even a StepMom, and I'd do nothing to change that. No amount of alcohol, drugs, or illicit sex could make me feel better than when I'm close my children. Nothing compares to it. And guess what? My childrens' needs will always weigh greater than my own...ironically, it's an easy charge to carry.

Maybe, someday, you'll wake up and learn that.

And while I will respect your right to speak your pointless diatribe, I will conclude in saying that I hope that you don't raise childrien with the same care and thought in which you wrote your rebuttal. The sentiment you impart is that of an uneducated microbe, and your horrid grammar and spelling only serve to amplify that fact.

In Sincerity,
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#41 Consumer Comment

All Parents have Rights, Everyone is only getting one side.

AUTHOR: Kara - (U.S.A.)

All parents have rights! There is only one side of the story here and this mother is not able to defend herself as she does not even know that this is here, This could be someone trying to get revenge on her posting this stuff.Proof needs to be shown and not slanderous statements.All parents have rights and just because someone wtih more money ect thinks that they are better parents for material things makes them worse if you ask me. Like someone posted on here about adopting this mothers child, go out have your own and know your facts a head of time before trying your crap.It is piss ant people that gets into everyone elses buissness and not their own cand makes false alligations. Every person parents diffrently and no one should tell anyone how to be a parent. If that were the case children would be born with instuction manuals. Get a life people.
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#42 REBUTTAL Individual responds

The little girl is now over a year old, a happu baby that seems to be well adjusted

AUTHOR: Concerned - (U.S.A.)

I met Channell just after the incident of the baby in the s****..
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#43 Consumer Comment

putting Jim and David's names together in a rebuttal doesn't get them fighting

AUTHOR: Nancy - (U.S.A.)

Gee, Donna, seems even though you've never done a rebuattal in here and probably just got done reading everything that has been typed on this report over the past 2 years, you failed to 'get it'.

First off, putting Jim and David's names together in a rebuttal doesn't get them fighting any longer. They quit that stuff a long time ago and have been playing kinda nice with each other ever since.

Acting outraged, as you did, may have been acceptable 2 years ago, but since then it's been typed time and time again that the kids are fine and Chanell is doing good herself.

You Can't Understand Normal Typing! Scroll back, read thru it all again and maybe you will get it on the 2nd readthru.
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#44 Consumer Comment

Some Things Never Change in Payton Place

AUTHOR: Shelly - (U.S.A.)

I moved away from this little gossip box 16 years ago, and as I stumbled upon this website, I have noticed that some things never change. People in Tupper are just as narrow minded as ever, and from what I have read on this site, as informative as this site is, they still love to gossip and slander.

If in fact Chanell did this to her 3 week old, and it is not some made up story, then no she should not get her child back. She really needs some therapy, she is probably acting out because of some horrible things that happened to her when she was little.

I noticed that "As the Stomach Turns" is still alive and well at Sunmount.

Thank god I got out!!!!!
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#45 Consumer Comment

Some Things Never Change in Payton Place

AUTHOR: Shelly - (U.S.A.)

I moved away from this little gossip box 16 years ago, and as I stumbled upon this website, I have noticed that some things never change. People in Tupper are just as narrow minded as ever, and from what I have read on this site, as informative as this site is, they still love to gossip and slander.

If in fact Chanell did this to her 3 week old, and it is not some made up story, then no she should not get her child back. She really needs some therapy, she is probably acting out because of some horrible things that happened to her when she was little.

I noticed that "As the Stomach Turns" is still alive and well at Sunmount.

Thank god I got out!!!!!
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#46 Consumer Comment

Some Things Never Change in Payton Place

AUTHOR: Shelly - (U.S.A.)

I moved away from this little gossip box 16 years ago, and as I stumbled upon this website, I have noticed that some things never change. People in Tupper are just as narrow minded as ever, and from what I have read on this site, as informative as this site is, they still love to gossip and slander.

If in fact Chanell did this to her 3 week old, and it is not some made up story, then no she should not get her child back. She really needs some therapy, she is probably acting out because of some horrible things that happened to her when she was little.

I noticed that "As the Stomach Turns" is still alive and well at Sunmount.

Thank god I got out!!!!!
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#47 Consumer Comment

Some Things Never Change in Payton Place

AUTHOR: Shelly - (U.S.A.)

I moved away from this little gossip box 16 years ago, and as I stumbled upon this website, I have noticed that some things never change. People in Tupper are just as narrow minded as ever, and from what I have read on this site, as informative as this site is, they still love to gossip and slander.

If in fact Chanell did this to her 3 week old, and it is not some made up story, then no she should not get her child back. She really needs some therapy, she is probably acting out because of some horrible things that happened to her when she was little.

I noticed that "As the Stomach Turns" is still alive and well at Sunmount.

Thank god I got out!!!!!
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#48 Consumer Suggestion

channell threw her baby in the snow, then she needs to go to jail for 40 years

AUTHOR: Donna - (U.S.A.)

GEE GET A LIFE EVERYONE!!!!!!

WELL if it really happened chanell threw her baby in the snow, then she needs to go to jail for 40 years .. at least.

Throw her in ther in a 6 foot snow bank leave her over night ,, see if she survives it,NAKED!!!!!

Then send her to jail.where any one who mistreats a child should be......sterilize the BIT**so she cant have any more kids to terrorize....

Take a way her new baby so It can lead a normal life with out a nut case for a mom.
And this is the 1 st post from ohio so I had to add my 2 cents , Dont worry its free for all you NON WORKING morons out there who need to get A LIFE VERY SOON........SERIOUSLY!!!!!!
Go watch your Jerry Springer show and PLAY with your self !!!!!!!

Cause you evidently dont have a wife around to help you with the pleasure......

Yes im from a small town ,,NOTHING wrong with that ,,Small towns are nice...BORING mostly...So I can see why You have nothing to do but put each other down......ENJOY ALL YOUR NON LIFES!!!!!!....JIMBO, DAVE..ETC>>>>>>See we have a way to let off our steam by laughing at all your stupid comments......

thnx for reading comment relief.....
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#49 Consumer Comment

It's the Internet people ..You clowns need to learn how to spot a troll.

AUTHOR: Joe - (U.S.A.)

Good God! This is the funniest thread I have ever read. The whole thing is probaly fake. Look at it for humour, nothing else. You clowns need to learn how to spot a troll.
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#50 Consumer Comment

Take it to a Chat Room...

AUTHOR: Marlene - (U.S.A.)

Some of you guys need to take this to an outside chatroom and trash yourselves over there....Leave this site for what it was intended for....
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#51 Consumer Comment

My bad ...

AUTHOR: Nancy - (U.S.A.)

I put the wrong report name in here earlier. The report that April accused David and I of being the same person was http://www.ripoffreport.com/reports/ripoff3401.htm - A Pizza Hut report, not IHOP (they said other bunk in that one LOL). Our beloved EDitor kindly added to my rebuttal to inform her we are two separate people.

Of course now her husband, Dale, has started to say the same crap on the Ford report they did. *sigh* You'd think they'd 'get it' by now, ya know what I mean?
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#52 Consumer Comment

LOL

AUTHOR: Nancy - (U.S.A.)

Layne, it was a little risky doing that experiment with David. The big lug is 6'3" tall to my 5' even and I was scared to death he would pass out, fall my way, and squish me like a bug! Darn tall people anyway. LOL.

I didn't get any pics of it, sorry. I should have, maybe then people would quit accusing David and I of being the same person in the various reports we both do rebuttals on. (The latest being the IHOP report where the EDitor had to assure April we really are two separate people.)
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#53 Consumer Comment

Hey Juli :)

AUTHOR: Nancy - (U.S.A.)

I sometimes have rebuttals that don't go thru too when my ISP is acting up. I keep a copy of longer ones I do, just in case they don't go up, then repost them in a day or so if I don't see them here.

My case wasn't actually that unusual for the 1950's. Single mother's being lied to was common back then and many babies were taken away by depective means. That's why a lot of states fight opening adoption records for us baby boomers so hard .. they don't want us being reunited with our birth families and finding out the truth. Mine was so involved they never even issued me an original birth certificate, only the adoptive one.

After I took on the state to get my records opened, I heard I was the first case in 30 years that succeeded. Of course, after I did it, it then opened the door for other adoptees to do the same thing. :) I also learned enough to help other adoptees search out their birth families and have been personally involved in 3 reunions since I had mine.

I was Mom's 2nd child. She was single and had no money to spend on a lawyer back then to try to get me back, so she lost me. Being reunited helped both of us more than I can ever say. I no longer have a part of myself missing like I did before I met her.

My adoptive home was the best. The next couple on the Welfare list for a baby was a doctor and his wife. After we got records opened and realized everyone knew everyone else, the 'thanks' went from mom to mom for the role they each played in my life.

I lived in the Fort Myers area when Andrew went thru Florida many years ago. I miss hurricane parties! Hell, I miss Florida period. LOL.
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#54 Consumer Comment

Covert Experiment???

AUTHOR: Layne - (U.S.A.)

Nancy - Glad to hear David passed the autism experiment. That must have been dangerous!
Did you take notes? Pictures? Yes, pictures...we need more of those.

Jim - I don't suppose just a little pinch would hurt anything, I won't tell if you won't

David - I know where Harrison is. Go Goblins! My grandma and grandpa (now deceased) lived in a little, almost extinct...Pyatt!

Thanks again for all the giggles!
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#55 Consumer Comment

you gotta be kidding

AUTHOR: Jill - (U.S.A.)

i would becareful were you go to addopt babies this is a sick world thiers alot of black market babies around and missing kids be sold for addoptions i would never go online to get a baby unless it was from the birth mom i seen in chats a few times people wanting to give up thier babies i feel thier bullshiting or trying to scam money. lawyers welfare workers judges look at georga tan and those butter box babies it still gose on these days some people are very sick some sell drugs othier scam money or sell stolen babies welfare was famous for it they made good money breaking up familys and selling thier kids
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#56 Consumer Comment

It is difficult...

AUTHOR: Darren - (U.S.A.)

Rachel,
It is very difficult to stay on topic... especially if a post has gone on for a long time like this one has and touches something that is very emotional.

Just note the "reasonable" and "sane" people that wish to do unspeakable things. To me, they are as out of control, or more so, than the person they are attacking.

I love your humility and your obvious self evaluation.
Thanks,
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#57 Consumer Comment

Nancy

AUTHOR: Rachel - (U.S.A.)

Nancy,
I am sorry... I didn't think about it like that. I understand why you feel the way you do. I picture you as a person adopted out and angry because you were...

Anyway... I am sorry.

Oh and you are right Darren, I didn't stick to the topic... :D

Now back to my question--
Who has the second baby?
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#58 Consumer Comment

Nancy

AUTHOR: Rachel - (U.S.A.)

Nancy,
I am sorry... I didn't think about it like that. I understand why you feel the way you do. I picture you as a person adopted out and angry because you were...

Anyway... I am sorry.

Oh and you are right Darren, I didn't stick to the topic... :D

Now back to my question--
Who has the second baby?
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#59 Consumer Comment

Nancy

AUTHOR: Rachel - (U.S.A.)

Nancy,
I am sorry... I didn't think about it like that. I understand why you feel the way you do. I picture you as a person adopted out and angry because you were...

Anyway... I am sorry.

Oh and you are right Darren, I didn't stick to the topic... :D

Now back to my question--
Who has the second baby?
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#60 Consumer Comment

Nancy

AUTHOR: Rachel - (U.S.A.)

Nancy,
I am sorry... I didn't think about it like that. I understand why you feel the way you do. I picture you as a person adopted out and angry because you were...

Anyway... I am sorry.

Oh and you are right Darren, I didn't stick to the topic... :D

Now back to my question--
Who has the second baby?
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#61 Consumer Comment

Nancy, I am so sorry to hear that!

AUTHOR: Juli - (U.S.A.)

Nancy from Phoenix! Welcome back! Glad to see "the Phoenix has risen again!" hehehe I tried to post a reply last week but it looks like it never got posted. Oh well..that hurricane caused a lot of craziness in a lot of areas down here.

Anyways, I know you spoke briefly about what had happened before at the hands of HRS or whatever they called it in the state you were born in at the time. I am so very sorry to hear that happened. I could see if your Mom's 11 other children were also removed prior to your being born, then, yes, the state has ground for TEMPORARILY removing the child from the mother's custody, especially if the mother has a record of giving birth to substance exposed children (babies born with drugs in their system, ie pot, crack, alochol, etc).

BUT, you stated that your Mom was allowed to raise your siblings without any trouble at all..so I am left wondering WHY this happened to her and WHY for God's sakes won't an attorney JUMP on this case...if all you are saying happened as you state it did...she REALLY seems to have SOME kind of legal recourse I would think.but I am not an attorney so I would suggest she consult one..or YOU could for that matter! That is just an outrage that happened to you. I can only hope that your adoptive home life was as nurturing as it possibly could be and that you suffered little to no attachment disorder issues from that horrible snafu.

I would hope that you pursue this. Unless, there are other details that prevent you from having a solid case. But based just on what you have shared..you and bio mom were WRONGED in a devastating way. You lost your childhood with her...and she with you.

Why haven't you done anything ABOUT THIS? or have you?

you are in my prayers either way.
alohaz
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#62 Consumer Comment

Caroline, had you read the rebuttals in full, you would have understood

AUTHOR: Nancy - (U.S.A.)

Sorry to go off on you as I did, but had you read the rebuttals in full, you would have understood why I said what I did. We've had all types come in with their 2 cents over the years and it was said long ago that both Chanell and her kids are doing great.

Chanell got anger management help and the kids are growing up happy and healthy according to the people from Tupper Lake I talk to in chat all the time.

The way you worded your post, you did sound exactly like the adoptive parents I've had run-ins with in various places online, but mainly in alt.adoption and alt.birth-mother. They come in there flashing their money around and trying to find pregnant girls who are thinking about relinquishing their babies. It's pretty sad to see and it is usually something they are told to do by the not so good adoption agencies out there these days. I'm pretty sure you know the type I mean if you are an adoptee yourself. All they think about is the money they get from the aparents and never give the baby a thought and the last time I checked, adoption is supposed to be ALL about the baby, not who has the most money to spend to get one. There was one agency about 4 or 5 years ago who sold a set of twins TWICE via the internet! Very messy.

I too, was raised by a wonderful set of aparents. My anger is at the Welfare Dept. and what they did to my bmom. Turned out in the end my parents all knew each other, so that was pretty cool. My bmom and all my brothers and sisters from her went to my adad for glasses. He was an Optometrist. He also played pool with his doctor buddies at a hotel lounge that my bmom worked at for a short time. He told her once that she reminded him of her daughter .. neither of them ever suspecting I really WAS her daughter. LOL.

BTW, while I wasn't born and raised in Florida, I consisder Davie, Florida home. I soooo miss living there and hope to get back 'home' one day in the future. In the meantime, can you *please* send me some humidity before all my skin flakes off? I'll take the wonderful humidity over this dry heat of Phoenix anyday, anytime! I also miss dancing at The Davie Junction and shopping at Grif's Western. :)
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To Nancy (2)

AUTHOR: Caroline - (U.S.A.)

I meant to say "she" AND "her" referring to the second child and not the first little boy (who I was glad to hear was given to his father). While I do hope you are correct that the second child is doing well, in my heart I don't believe that is true given the history (and thus my offer to adopt). Frankly, I did not read many of the posts because most were not about the children but were just angry rebuttals between people. I had no need to read those.
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AUTHOR: Caroline - (U.S.A.)

Adoption Agency? None. I already ahve children and just offered what I felt was right. Incidentally, I'm adopted...and am grateful for it. I was given a wonderful life and just wanted to offer the same in return to another.
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#65 Consumer Comment

LOL .. open mouth insert ignorance

AUTHOR: Nancy - (U.S.A.)

Rachel, are you really that stupid?

Not that I should answer your rebuttal, but I will for those out there that may actually take the time to ponder what you said to me.

I took on the state I was born in legally back in 1991 and got my adoption records opened, then had a reunion with my birth family. I found them all, mom, dad, grandparents, aunts, uncles, and my 11 brothers and sisters.

The Judge had one hell of a time getting around the Welfare Dept. who was refusing to release all the paperwork, even when it was ordered by the state. Guess they didn't want anyone to see their handiwork in covering over what they did to Mom. He got around them by appointing a guardian ad litem who didn't work for their dept, a sweet lady who was willing to help and not judge me wanting to get the records opened.

See, Mom was in full labor with me when she got to the hospital and there was no time for paperwork. (I had my 3 kids the same way, total labor was about 2 hours start to finish with no pain.) Back then, in the '50's, as you may know, they gave medicine to the mothers to relax them and they would normally fall asleep after the birth. Mom did exactly that. She was awaken by the Welfare lady and she asked Mom to sign admission papers. Groggy from the meds, Mom signed where she was told and went back to sleep. When she woke up again a couple hours later and asked the nurse to bring me to her, she was informed that wasn't possible, she had signed adoption papers and I was no longer hers. She never saw me again.

A snow bank would have been preferable, at least I would have grown up knowing who my birth family was. Instead, the way it turned out, I had to wait until I was in my 30's to meet her. She raised all my brothers and sisters fine, btw, so your 'guess' as to what she is like, is WRONG. Maybe next time you should get some facts before you open your mouth and make yourself look like a total fool.

Thank you for confirming you are a wanna be adoptive parent though and using the net to try to find a baby to buy. One of the standard lines many adoptive parents use to describe birth parents are exactly what you said about mine .. it helps to keep the kid in line when they start asking questions about where they came from as they get into the 12 to 15 yr old age bracket. No, mine never did that, they had a lot more class and my adoptive mom supported me totally when I did my search.

You are the one who needs to face reality. Try going to the b*****d Nation website and reading thru it. Get yourself some 'learning' about all sides of the triad, then come back and talk to me.
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#66 Consumer Comment

Rachel, glad you were on topic...

AUTHOR: Darren - (U.S.A.)

Rachel,
Glad you were able to stick to the topic... the children.
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#67 Consumer Comment

Nancy GET A LIFE! YOU ARE WEAK!

AUTHOR: Rachel - (U.S.A.)

Your poor biological Mother apparently couldn't afford to or lacked the mental skills to raise you.

Quit knocking people who can not have a baby or child and want one so badly they would do ALMOST anything to get one.

Nancy, you need to thank your lucky stars you were adopted... and not thrown into a snow bank.

You remind me of someone who always needs someone to pat your back and ask... "Are you ok... did you have a terrible day again... can't face reality..." Everyone has a sad story to wine about... Grow up.

I'm adopted.... wahhhhhhh!!!
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#68 Consumer Comment

Nancy GET A LIFE! YOU ARE WEAK!

AUTHOR: Rachel - (U.S.A.)

Your poor biological Mother apparently couldn't afford to or lacked the mental skills to raise you.

Quit knocking people who can not have a baby or child and want one so badly they would do ALMOST anything to get one.

Nancy, you need to thank your lucky stars you were adopted... and not thrown into a snow bank.

You remind me of someone who always needs someone to pat your back and ask... "Are you ok... did you have a terrible day again... can't face reality..." Everyone has a sad story to wine about... Grow up.

I'm adopted.... wahhhhhhh!!!
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#69 Consumer Comment

Nancy GET A LIFE! YOU ARE WEAK!

AUTHOR: Rachel - (U.S.A.)

Your poor biological Mother apparently couldn't afford to or lacked the mental skills to raise you.

Quit knocking people who can not have a baby or child and want one so badly they would do ALMOST anything to get one.

Nancy, you need to thank your lucky stars you were adopted... and not thrown into a snow bank.

You remind me of someone who always needs someone to pat your back and ask... "Are you ok... did you have a terrible day again... can't face reality..." Everyone has a sad story to wine about... Grow up.

I'm adopted.... wahhhhhhh!!!
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#70 Consumer Comment

Nancy GET A LIFE! YOU ARE WEAK!

AUTHOR: Rachel - (U.S.A.)

Your poor biological Mother apparently couldn't afford to or lacked the mental skills to raise you.

Quit knocking people who can not have a baby or child and want one so badly they would do ALMOST anything to get one.

Nancy, you need to thank your lucky stars you were adopted... and not thrown into a snow bank.

You remind me of someone who always needs someone to pat your back and ask... "Are you ok... did you have a terrible day again... can't face reality..." Everyone has a sad story to wine about... Grow up.

I'm adopted.... wahhhhhhh!!!
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#71 Consumer Comment

Adoption Option? More like trying to buy a kid!

AUTHOR: Nancy - (U.S.A.)

Tell me Caroline, which adoption agency told you that 'getting the word out everywhere possible' was the way to find a baby to adopt? I know for a fact they do this, been dealing with it online for years now.

See I'm part of the triad .. I see more and more wannabe adoptive parents advertising for a baby online each year. Do I really need to tell you what that feels like to an adoptee?

Gee, did my folks really get matched up with the perfect baby after my birth or did they just want a kid and they had enough money and advertising wits and bought me? Makes me feel really warm and fuzzy inside to think I was bought the same way you can walk into a fast food place and buy lunch. They do say you can find anything you want online though, so maybe I shouldn't be so surprised that it's possible to find and buy a baby online too. *sigh*

I feel this is why you posted, due to the way your post was written. Please excuse me if I'm wrong.

Rachel and Caroline, HAD you both really read all the rebuttals on this report, you would know that the baby is now a young boy, he's doing great and he's living with his father. Jim is NOT his father, Jim is just an ex-boyfriend of his mom who posts here. Chanell has moved on in her life, has had a daughter and both of them are also doing well.
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#72 Consumer Comment

our unofficial moderator

AUTHOR: Nancy - (U.S.A.)

David said: "Jim Lavair is our unofficial moderator here. Anything you want to know he can tell you or if in a pinch make something up LOL."

Layne, don't listen to him....if anything, I'd be more worried about Jim pinching YOU! We all know what a flirt he is. LOL. :)

Yes, that was a joke at Jim's expense for those of you who don't know my writing style. I know TJim ...err... I mean Jim, will take it in the humorous way it was intended.

Jim, if you don't send me an IM soon you won't have to worry about Channell kicking yer butt, I'm gonna kick it! Heh, drop me one and tell me how you are doing.
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#73 Consumer Suggestion

Adoption Option

AUTHOR: Caroline - (U.S.A.)

I would gladly adopt the child in question in these reports and give him the home he deserves. If the state should see fit to remove this child, I hope they will contact me. I have the age, financial means,a home, and the maturity to raise this child in a loving, two-parent, proper home. I have other children and am a home-schooling Mom.
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#74 Consumer Comment

Wasn't she due in July? What about the other Baby?

AUTHOR: Rachel - (U.S.A.)

Does anyone know anything about the baby she was due to have in July? Who has it? Does she have it? Does Jim still have the first baby that was thrown into the snow bank? <--- So Sad... Did she get professional help? Please, let's stick with the issue The children
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#75 Consumer Comment

LMAO with Layne - Fayetteville, Arkansas

AUTHOR: David - (U.S.A.)

Well according to Dale and April it does LOL. I went to high school not to far from you Layne. Harrision over in Boone county. Never be ashamed of being from Arkansas, especially Fayetteville. Go Razorbacks!!!!

Unfortunately this incident is not a hoax. It's been checked out. What happened was also unfortunate. However all seems well now for both the baby and her mother. We can all thank God for that. Actually hardly anyone is ever on topic here as this is sooooo old of news.

We have a few like Nancy from Manhattan, New York who come here to make themselves look better for some inner sin they want forgiveness for by bashing and running the mother into the ground after so many years. I mean just look at her post. Now she's damned for being ugly? I'm sure it was just a bad hair day and Jim I bet she kicked your a*s for posing that picture LOL.

Anyways Layne welcome to this thread and as you can see nothing you post can be to crazy or out of line. Jim Lavair is our unofficial moderator here. Anything you want to know he can tell you or if in a pinch make something up LOL.
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#76 Consumer Comment

hey Layne

AUTHOR: Nancy - (U.S.A.)

Layne, as you have probably read, David and I are real life friends. Last month we went out to an IHOP together and we were talking about the effects of hot gravy.

To settle it once and for all, I force fed 5 bowls of gravy to David. I then watched him over the course of the next hour and can absolutely tell you that when he walked out of there, he was tic, drool, etc. free. Oh yeah, almost forgot, he still knew his name, who the president is, what month and year it is, what state Tupper Lake is in and how dead I'm gonna be when he reads this totally silly post. :) LOL.

I think it's best I stop here and go hide under my rock for awhile.
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#77 Consumer Comment

Just Curious

AUTHOR: Layne - (U.S.A.)

Wow. What a hoot.

I've been reading all this mess. For the first time ever, I can say I'm proud to be from Arkansas.

This is probably a dumb question, and I have tried to read all of this, but my eyes are blurry from reading so long and laughing so hard. Okay, why didn't anyone post a newspaper article account of this incident or something in here? How do we know for sure she even did such a thing. I think I read there is a Tupper newspaper. Is it online? This could just be total BS.

That would be a good job for Jim. You could write a daily column or something. Keep us all informed, and print a daily picture too. :-)

I've been checking out the IHOP incident too. David, are you sure gravy doesn't cause autism? ROFLMAO!

Thanks all for the giggles...
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#78 Consumer Comment

MY GOD... THAT IS ONE UGLY PICTURE OF HER. SHE LOOKS LIKE THE DEVIL'S SPAWN OR GANGSTER TRASH.

AUTHOR: Nancy - (U.S.A.)

CAN YOU FOREWARN US NEXT TIME BEFORE YOU SHOCK US WITH SUCH UGLINESS?

Goodness, who would want to have a baby with that?? It was more shocking to see the photo than read her story. I hope I can block the ugliness out of my mind.

They should put this street trash - Chanell Fournier of Tupper Lake New York - in jail for life! Throwing a baby in a snow bank? That's just crazy. I don't care if she was raped/ abused or suffered trauma 100 times in her life - SHE needs to be thrown into a snow bank and put out of her misery! She sounds like some psycho with a crazy temper. We've all suffered in life, but that does not give us the right to do criminal activities. A person who would throw an innocent human being in a snow bank, does not have a human heart and people have to remember that.

They should give her capital punishment. I use to be against the death penalty, but I realized these prisoners are living on our tax money and, well, our earth is overpopulated enough. We don't need criminals to be living in this world. And don't get all christian on me. I have more sympathy for wild animals than certain human beings on this earth. I have my own convictions, and I have absolutely no sympathy at all nor do I ever forgive criminals. I hope she goes and walks her fat a*s in front of ongoing traffic.
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#79 Consumer Comment

MY GOD... THAT IS ONE UGLY PICTURE OF HER. SHE LOOKS LIKE THE DEVIL'S SPAWN OR GANGSTER TRASH.

AUTHOR: Nancy - (U.S.A.)

CAN YOU FOREWARN US NEXT TIME BEFORE YOU SHOCK US WITH SUCH UGLINESS?

Goodness, who would want to have a baby with that?? It was more shocking to see the photo than read her story. I hope I can block the ugliness out of my mind.

They should put this street trash - Chanell Fournier of Tupper Lake New York - in jail for life! Throwing a baby in a snow bank? That's just crazy. I don't care if she was raped/ abused or suffered trauma 100 times in her life - SHE needs to be thrown into a snow bank and put out of her misery! She sounds like some psycho with a crazy temper. We've all suffered in life, but that does not give us the right to do criminal activities. A person who would throw an innocent human being in a snow bank, does not have a human heart and people have to remember that.

They should give her capital punishment. I use to be against the death penalty, but I realized these prisoners are living on our tax money and, well, our earth is overpopulated enough. We don't need criminals to be living in this world. And don't get all christian on me. I have more sympathy for wild animals than certain human beings on this earth. I have my own convictions, and I have absolutely no sympathy at all nor do I ever forgive criminals. I hope she goes and walks her fat a*s in front of ongoing traffic.
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#80 Consumer Comment

MY GOD... THAT IS ONE UGLY PICTURE OF HER. SHE LOOKS LIKE THE DEVIL'S SPAWN OR GANGSTER TRASH.

AUTHOR: Nancy - (U.S.A.)

CAN YOU FOREWARN US NEXT TIME BEFORE YOU SHOCK US WITH SUCH UGLINESS?

Goodness, who would want to have a baby with that?? It was more shocking to see the photo than read her story. I hope I can block the ugliness out of my mind.

They should put this street trash - Chanell Fournier of Tupper Lake New York - in jail for life! Throwing a baby in a snow bank? That's just crazy. I don't care if she was raped/ abused or suffered trauma 100 times in her life - SHE needs to be thrown into a snow bank and put out of her misery! She sounds like some psycho with a crazy temper. We've all suffered in life, but that does not give us the right to do criminal activities. A person who would throw an innocent human being in a snow bank, does not have a human heart and people have to remember that.

They should give her capital punishment. I use to be against the death penalty, but I realized these prisoners are living on our tax money and, well, our earth is overpopulated enough. We don't need criminals to be living in this world. And don't get all christian on me. I have more sympathy for wild animals than certain human beings on this earth. I have my own convictions, and I have absolutely no sympathy at all nor do I ever forgive criminals. I hope she goes and walks her fat a*s in front of ongoing traffic.
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#81 Consumer Comment

MY GOD... THAT IS ONE UGLY PICTURE OF HER. SHE LOOKS LIKE THE DEVIL'S SPAWN OR GANGSTER TRASH.

AUTHOR: Nancy - (U.S.A.)

CAN YOU FOREWARN US NEXT TIME BEFORE YOU SHOCK US WITH SUCH UGLINESS?

Goodness, who would want to have a baby with that?? It was more shocking to see the photo than read her story. I hope I can block the ugliness out of my mind.

They should put this street trash - Chanell Fournier of Tupper Lake New York - in jail for life! Throwing a baby in a snow bank? That's just crazy. I don't care if she was raped/ abused or suffered trauma 100 times in her life - SHE needs to be thrown into a snow bank and put out of her misery! She sounds like some psycho with a crazy temper. We've all suffered in life, but that does not give us the right to do criminal activities. A person who would throw an innocent human being in a snow bank, does not have a human heart and people have to remember that.

They should give her capital punishment. I use to be against the death penalty, but I realized these prisoners are living on our tax money and, well, our earth is overpopulated enough. We don't need criminals to be living in this world. And don't get all christian on me. I have more sympathy for wild animals than certain human beings on this earth. I have my own convictions, and I have absolutely no sympathy at all nor do I ever forgive criminals. I hope she goes and walks her fat a*s in front of ongoing traffic.
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#82 UPDATE Employee

David and Nancy, I promise truth on this site!

AUTHOR: Jim - (U.S.A.)

Tupperville people do dislike me but only because I show the truth. I will fight Sunmount and will win, as I had my lawyer look at the charges and he called them pro-posterous! I will get a big lump sum after Sunmount dicks around. I only report people-business that need to be reported. I promise I will have the last word!
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#83 Consumer Comment

Wasnt attacking you Jim

AUTHOR: David - (U.S.A.)

No you took what I said wrong my photographic friend. Just wanting an update on what you were up to is all. Sounds like you have everything in control. Glad to hear it. Don't stop pissing people off. I thought you might be dead LOL. Also I haven't heard if you got on the Springer show. I want tickets and so does Nancy. Be a great oppertunity for us all to get together. Let us know ok. Oh and bring Chanell with you. I'll want her autograph and since your there a pic with her too LOL.
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#84 UPDATE Employee

David, Bullhead! I was not fired! but Suspended!

AUTHOR: Jim - (U.S.A.)

David,

I was not fired and I am soon begining arbitration through my union. I will fight till the end. I am not guilty and will prevail so I am not worried. If worse came to worse I have enough time to draw a normal paycheck until Dec.8th. Then afterward I can draw unemployment for quite awhile. I am not worried. I will be re-instated because there is NO PROOF! NO CHARGES! I will not give up like Ray Mikall, because I don't need to have friends. David, I thought you were on my side, I guess not huh? Well, thats fine.
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#85 Consumer Suggestion

Tupper Lake Strikes Again! THIS SITE IS FOR PEOPLE WITH REAL PROBLEMS

AUTHOR: Everyone - (U.S.A.)

Men and Women all over the globe are reading reports from Tupper Lake. Each report from Tupper Lake is from citizens of that area who do nothing else but BASH OTHER CITIZENS from Tupper Lake. Those of us outside of Tupper Lake, USA, are wondering "what is wrong with all these citizens of Tupper Lake?" Is it in the water? Are these people inbreeding? Is there a chemical plant nearby causing these mutations of personality? Or is just plain everyday ignorance? I guess we will never know.

From Tupper Lake, so far, I have seen 3 different reports. One report stating a mother is abusing her child, a Second report that a teacher verbally and sexually abuses students, and a Third stating a woman is on welfare and shouldn't be, so on and so on. Since I first posted this I have found 2 more.

Now when most of us see reports from Tupper Lake, we just think to ourselves, "Just ignore that, it is just that white trash from Tupper Lake using this site to bash each other again."
We think this because of your actions, we also believe that in response to this post you will come post a bash against those of us who think this. But because that is who you are and the only way you have been taught to behave, we will just ignore it.

I am just a user of this site, not affiliated with it, but I do check out the new rip-offs posted on the home page almost daily, and I have found a lot of reports that could have affected me if I did not see them here and know better than to fall for the scheme.

But let me say this to you Tupper Lakians. RipoffReport.com is NOT a site to BASH the people YOU dislike. (quite frankly, I'm surprised you even know how to turn on a PC) This site is to HELP people who have been SCAMMED or ACTUALLY ABUSED in some way. This site is to HELP people try to solve their problem, which may be a scam or may be abuse of some kind. This site is to Right Wrongs. It is to ALERT people so that they will not get HURT, in whatever way, by the same things as the people who posted were hurt by. (That last sentence was probably to confusing for Tupper Lake, just pretend you understand.) It is completely WRONG for you to USE this site, which is made to HELP those with a REAL problem, for your own personal GET EVEN site.

You all need to grow up, and for your children's sake MOVE AWAY FROM Tupper Lake, find an area with some good SCHOOLS and maybe CHURCHES.

Someone from Tupper Lake needs to start a Tupper Lake website, just for you Tupper Lakians to bash and belittle each other as much as you please, so that this site can actually be used by those who have REAL problems. Think how much fun a that would be, having your very on site. You could spend months fighting via Internet, since that seems to be your favorite thing. But find some other way to VENT your frustrations with one another, other than this site. THIS SITE IS FOR PEOPLE WITH REAL PROBLEMS, & FOR PEOPLE WHO WANT TO SEE WHAT REAL SCAMS ARE HAPPENING!!
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#86 Consumer Comment

I'm baaaaaaaaaaaack!!!

AUTHOR: Nancy - (U.S.A.)

A power surge let me know the power strip I was using for my puter wasn't good anymore. *blah* I am now sharing a puter to be online, so not around all the time like I used to be. I've gotten a new MB and CPU for now, but still need a HD before I can rebuild my box.

To some of you, in no certain order:

First off, d**n I missed y'all!!!

Juli: David from BullHead City and I went head to head last month. Thought you'd enjoy knowing that. If he's ok with it, I'll get the pic of us together to EDitor and have him post it here.

Yes, I made sure I gave him a hard time for you. LOL. Of course this is David we are talking about, so teasing him just encouraged him more. :) I had the most wonderful time visiting with him and can't wait till he gets to Phoenix again in the future, so we can do it again!

Vera: Thanks for your kind words. Given my computer situation at the moment, I don't even have an email addy I could give you to get ahold of me to help you with chat info. Once I am back up in my own again, then I will have a good address again and I will be reachable.

The short version of my advice to you would be this. Keep an eye on what your daughter does in chat if she is under 16, easily lead astray, or isn't aware of the dangers one can encounter via chat. By chat I'm talking about IRC and to a lessor extent the IM programs that are available online.

The IRC network I own is a family oriented network, so we don't get as many idiots as the big 3 do. (efnet, undernet, and dalnet) When we do get one in, he never lasts long and gets a PGline (perm ban) off the entire network of servers. It's much easier for my IRCops (people who run the networks and have full power) and myself to keep an eye on a few hundred users as opposed to 20,000 to 30,000 of them that the bigger networks get. Due to my not allowing sex, porn, or warez (trading of illegal software via DCC - Direct Client to Client protocol file transfer) channels on my network, we don't get a lot of questionable users, but have a great base of regulars who chat daily.

Real time chat is fun, but it's very addictive. I've been in IRC for 11 years now and still love it. My daughter chats in IRC too and has since she was 16. She has enough worldly experience that I never had to watch over her, she can hold her own against any moron that may try to pull one over on her in chat. She's also mean as a snake and that probably helps alot. LOL.

|337 sp34k is fairly easy to figure out. The numbers are the letters they look like. | for L, 1 for i, @ or 4 for a, 7 for t, 3 for e, etc. With a little practice anyone can pick it up and figure out any minor changes some make to it. Feel free to ask me if you come across something you don't understand and I'll try to help you figure out what it means. If I don't know, I'm sure one of my cyberkids will. :)

To the newbies here: There are tons of posts thruout this thread informing you that the babies are fine. I don't understand why you keep on whining here when all the information you need about this incident has been repeated many times over. The only reason I can see is you want to keep this all going.

David: Hey you, my BullHeaded friend, how's it hanging. I'll talk at ya later today in chat.
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#87 Consumer Comment

Tupper Lake Or Freak Show From Hell?

AUTHOR: Angela - (U.S.A.)

I have to say that first I came to this site to do research for a new car I was buying, but in being the typical nosy American, I decided to look at other reports posted on this site.
I came across the Tupper Lake reports entirely by accident. It is said that all accidents have reasons! I am disabled and unable to work out of the house, and have spent much of my time tuned to the TV.

Well since I stumbled across these reports on Tupper Lake I have all but given up on watching Soap Operas, because these are so much more entertaining. I have never been into watching Jerry Springer, but this place is a shoo-in for the story of the century. Jerry's critics would stop berating him so much if only half of these people made it to the show.

How can people from the same town defend anyone who has the audacity to 1) throw an innocent baby into the snow (give it up people, the baby is in a better place, being away from all of you!) 2) Policemen who make their own laws? (hard to believe the state would allow him to enforce any said laws! 3) whores, whores, whores! Is everyone in your town a w***e, or just those you decide need to have attention called to them lives?

I think this town, in it's entirety, is a freak show! All the rebuttals from the Tupper Lakers read like a bad comic book! There is so much going on in this town that noone must have time to work or learn how to spell. The education system in this city must be about the worst there is. Even people in third world countries have better grammer than you people.

Those of you who spend every waking moment trying to better yourselves by putting down your neighbors should realize, that by posting their dirty laundry, you open yourself up for having yours aired!
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#88 Consumer Comment

This thread is still active?

AUTHOR: David - (U.S.A.)

Well thanks you Vera I aim to please. I cant believe this thread is still alive and well. Havent visited here in ages. I heard thru the grapevine that Sunmount has finally sh*t canned Jim. Is this true Jim? If so what will you do now my friend that you have everyone in Tupperville hating your guts? Work on the Springer show? Well I thought I'd just pop in and say hi to all my old enemys and friends. Currently I am bashing Dale/April report on IHOP on yet another thread that like this one should end. Oh btw I met Nancy in real life Vera, she a really nice lady. Just to stay on topic how old is this baby now? Jim get a job man.
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#89 Consumer Comment

Hmmmm'kay...and then there were none.

AUTHOR: Vera - (U.S.A.)

H'lo, everyone.
Holy cow, where does one begin??

Alright....now we know that, while this story is pretty old, Chanelle's little boy is with Dad (where he is clearly better off), and her new little girl is doing much better (as is Chanelle herself, allegedly). Kudos.

And one would think that was the end of the story, wouldn't one?

Evidently not.

Now some of Chanelle's old Mud Puddle Jumper Pals are either defending or slinging her name, and she slings back, but not in defense of the child who was wronged, but to point out the equally sleazy behavior or attire (that's clothing, in layperson's terms) of the slanderer. Seems to me, the priorities are clear, here, hunh?

Add to this, the fact that Chanelle, the girl in question is silent for the bulk of the posting period---only towards the end does she suddenly have access to a computer...another interesting fact. Again...with only limited acces to a PC and an even more limited vocabulary, I'd think I'd take the time to set the records straight about my child(ren), not respond to someone calling me a stupid name.

Another interesting fact. Jim, I noticed that you never used the term "Post-Partum Depression" until you heard it blurbed by another post-er. Kinda freaky how it became your catch-all defense for your ex-gf. I suppose you're just tickled pink (and soft and smell real bad) over having upped your vocabulary by two-and-a-half words. Honestly, you aren't doing any of your friends a justice by first beating your chest about your great job and education, then turning around and sexually harassing other post-ers or calling them a l*****n duo. I suspect that's the equivalent to p***s-envy of the other post-ers' educations.

Another thing I noticed, was how you seemed to refresh your attentions on Juli when the post subject strayed from the "Jerry Springer" baseline. I got the notion that you were feeling a little neglected, and so, had to act out to re-focus the threadline to you.

As to Dave (from Bullhead, Ariz), I simply laughed myself silly at most of your replies---your mind is incredibly sharp. PLease don't lose that (as if--I'm not really worried!). You have a sharp and refreshing sense of humor. It was reading of you at the deadbeat Mom's thread that bought me here.

Nancy (Phoenix Arizona) What a credit I could give to someone who can admit they had to face so many demons in a medium where weakness can be easily exploited. Your post on what you had to deal with (RX addiction, the recovery and withdrawal process) was remarkable...and a good find in a really wierd place. Also to tell the truth, I had no idea that l337 was "Leet", a language I have seen in chats and as chat room names. Perhaps you could tell me, where can I learn more? I'm even more grateful that I carefully moniter the time our Daughter spends online, and now, I have even more reasons to be doubly watchful. I know some of the Chat jargon used today, although I'm not much into chatting, myself.

Juli (Orlando)...mahalo plenty for adding a consistent, on-task attitude to your views...and postings. I'm sure that you have helped more than one person gain a sense of direction in all these wierd, sometimes random posts.

Michelle (West Palm Beach) your sense of humor and intellect are awesome! Not only do you clearly grasp grammar, diction and spelling fantastically, you have a hair-trigger response with superb accuracy. I could have keeled over when I read your initial post! What a wit!

In conclusion, if things really are clearing up for Chantelle's children, and I hope they are, consider this a reprieve; or even a portent. In other words, you've been given a second and third chance. Don't flirt with fortune or you're likely to piss God off.
This is advice your other friends could do well to adhere to, as well.

God Bless and keep you all.
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#90 Consumer Comment

From one Heartbreak Townie to another

AUTHOR: Ariana - (U.S.A.)

Yikes. I really and truly must make clear the manner in which these comments have affected me. Let me tell all you readers a slight tale...I worked my entire life to burst, smiling and eager for success, from the tiny town in which I was raised. The most important and valuable concept I took with me from the experience of being raised in such a small town was that those raised in small towns are doomed never to leave them.

Fortunately, most small-town inhabitants are content to this insight. Unfortunately,myself included, many were not made for small towns. I thought that my answer was Potsdam, NY, where I could accomplish a dignified degree in my field and re-establish myself outside of the nasty experiences branded in my soul by the small-mindedness and infectious gossip of living in a small town. Without realizing it, I leapt from one small town to an even smaller one. Ready to experience the real world, I experienced an alternate dimension instead.

I was turned down for job after job, jobs which employers in the large city nearby my hometown would be begging for me to join them for. Why? Small-town politics. Resources were slim, from lack of anywhere to shop to lack of natural beauty to admire. I was forced to leave. HOWEVER. Whenever I could muster up enough money for gas, I headed east and a trifle North, toward a little place called Tupper Lake.

Instead of this tiny Raqcuette River, an enormous lake awaited me, a lake where I spent several hours just sitting, alone, writing about this and that. Some of my happiest memories were passing through this town....until very recently. Someone close to me fell victim to the town's lackadasical justice system, and we travelled together to correct the mistake only to be snapped at by the judge.

My acquaintance and I stood on the front porch of the courthouse at five-to-six, waiting for the judge to arrive. We assumed that, since we neared the presence of a public official, we would straighten our appearances. He wore the inside components of a suit, and I khakis with a flattering blue top. I freshened my makeup to be sure we together appeared presentable.

Upon entering the courtroom we encountered several residents in cutoffs and torn t-shirts, an attorney who dressed and carried herself as though she worked at a snackbar somewhere, and a judge who snapped at us but smiled at me when I passed him. To make the experience complete, the mistake was neither properly acknowledged or corrected, and now when my companion needs someone outside of the poisonous misconceptions of small towns everywhere to look at his driving record, a small piece will be obscured through no fault of his own.

I guess my original observation was correct, and small towns entrap all those within them. Why? Because anywhere else, courthouses do not hold court for three hours one night a week, and only open their mail when they feel like it (while in the meantime, driving records are being suspended and fined because instead of ticket payments being opened on time, they sit on a table somewhere until someoene "gets to them").

Anywhere else, a baby thrown into a s****..
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#91 Consumer Suggestion

MOST OF YOU ARE SICK!!!!

AUTHOR: Julie - (U.S.A.)

This site is for people who have been hurt or ripped off in some way and need HELP. This is not for your own little personal revenge, or for your little poor white trash soap opera.

The person who needs help in the situation is the one that is least mentioned. THE INNOCENT INFANT!

I don't know if these allegations are true, but if they are, the woman (I WILL NOT CALL A MOTHER) does not deserve the right to live in our society. And from what I've read neither does the trash who are USING a site to help people, to bash each other in there own personal little soap opera. IT IS PATHETIC!!

THE ONLY FOCUS SHOULD BE THE INNOCENT CHILDREN INVOLVED!!!! Nothing Else!

GROW UP! GO TO SCHOOL! Learn right from wrong!
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#92 Consumer Comment

Leave Chanell ALONE!

AUTHOR: Jim - (U.S.A.)

What the hell!

I am soooo sick of you people stretching the truth about my Ex-girlfriend. You people need to get a life and stop reaching. Yeah, supposedly she threw her baby in the s****. />
Peace out!!!!!!
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#93 Consumer Comment

This is for Chanell to read... reach out to some type of organization like Catholic Charties

AUTHOR: Deb - (U.S.A.)

Dear Chanell,

You have been through hell and back. You have had a lot of people jump into a situation that seems to be between you and your son, daughter and their father's and maybe the courts. First off PLEASE reach out to some type of organization like Catholic Charties to get help for you and your little girl.

You may have lost your son to his dad but you have a second chance now, don't lose it. Prove to all of those that don't think you can do it, that they are wrong. You were young when it happened, show them you have changed. Anyone can change, it is just a matter of doing it.

You have that chance, just do it. Prove to everyone you can do it. You deserve a second chance we all do. No one is perfect except GOD himself. I am not saying what you did in the first place is right in any means whatsoever, I think by now you realize that also.

But now, you have a little girl to think about, be a good mother and take care of her. It is ok to reach out to someone and ask for help. There is nothing wrong with that at all. Do it for yourself and your daughter. Stay away from those who want to destroy you.

It is not worth it in the long run. Please, you have been given a second chance, don't blow it.
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#94 Consumer Comment

Chanell made a mistake. She knows that and so do we.

AUTHOR: Lisa - (U.S.A.)

It is up to her to decide what she intends to do. I really think everyone should try and support her in her time of need rather than constantly put her down. She really doesn't need that. Putting her down only makes her feel worse and less of a person; therefore pushing her to drink. And don't tell me, that any of you reading this didn't make a mistake you regretted.
Chanell is entitled to a second chance, if she chooses so.

Chanell, I was one in your place. However, I did not abuse my children. I had the feeling of loosing my kids. I was a single mom struggling to make ends meat. And my mom's boyfriend (now ex-boyfriend) tried to take my kids away saying all kinds of nasty things about me to Children Services that weren't true. When Children Services investigated they saw I was a very good mom. Let me tell you. this was a very stressful time for me. But, I trusted God. It took me a year and a half before I talked to my mom again. And I still do not talk to my mom's ex-boyfriend (it's going on 3 years).

I beat my self up emotionally. I was ready to give my kids up. But, my cousin reminded me that I am a good mom. And no one deserves my kids but me. I wanted to drink. I wanted to go out and have sex. I wanted to releive myself of this stress. I couldn't because I didn't have a sitter. I couldn't even get to the movies. But, I glad I didn't. Otherwise I wouldn't have my kids. I put my kids first. I put being a mom first. Let me tell you it's hard.
I know being a single mom is fustrating and hard. And it seems like no one wants to help..It was said to me by my own mom, "you made your bed now lay in it." I think that is horrible to say to anyone. Everyone is human and entitled to make mistakes. Only one can hope to learn from them. And I don't call having Kids a mistake. I call it a blessing, even out of wedlock.
Maybe, if you get your son back, you should look into churches that offer low fee babysitting for 2 hours a week. Just to get a break from your kid. Or post a sign in local college or high school asking a student to watch your kid. Even for a hour or so, just to get out of the house, you really don't have to pay alot of money to do this.

What about Catholic Charitites? Do you have one in your area? They offer free diapers and formula. They even help with clothing and utilities and counseling.
Anti-abortion places help with that stuff too!
There is help out there, you just got to get more involved in your community.

YOU PEOPLE NEED TO START HELPING HER AND THIS CHILD. PUT REFRENCES OUT THERE FOR HER TO GO TO. PUT YOUR LOCALL AA, CATHOLIC CHARITITES, ANY THING THAT CAN HELP HER MAKE A DESCION.
STOP PUTTING HER DOWN. GOD ALLOWS FORGIVENESS AND SO SHOULD WE. YES, WHAT SHE DID WAS WRONG, BUT SHE DOESN'T HAVE TO ANSWER TO US.
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#95 Consumer Comment

For a young girl...Just thought I'd put in my 2 ...

AUTHOR: Nichelle - (U.S.A.)

I felt the same way you do about this whole situation when I first read it. But can I nicely point something out to you, before everyone else does? You say your only 15 and you probably know more then Chanell, but you have quit a few misspelled words goin on there. Or maybe you were just so mad while typing you couldn't even think straight. Who knows. Just thought I'd put in my 2 cents in where in probably isn't needed. lol...
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#96 Consumer Comment

Chanell is a cycho

AUTHOR: A Young Girl - (U.S.A.)

I'm writing in response to the story of Chanell abusing her 3 week old son. I'm not yet old enough to have children, but have watched many younger children Chanell should be but in prison for being such a rotten mother. Any b***h that would through her precious child in a snow bank while theirs freezing rain in a fricken cycho! Im 15 and most likely know 100 times more than that idiot. If it were up to me i would probly try to strangel that stupid b***h if i saw what she did im sorry about my language but i have no tollerance for a crazy piece of s**t like that she doesnt deserve that little boy and i hope to god that w***e is put in prison for attemted murder!!!!!!!
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#97 Consumer Comment

CHANELL you really need to read this!

AUTHOR: Nichelle - (U.S.A.)

What the hell is the matter with you chanell?! How could you abuse a POOR, HELPLESS little baby? If a baby is crying it's for a reason! that is the only way they know how to communicate, and they look to you as their PARENT to take care of them. They trust you and love you and all you can do to this poor innocent BABY is throw it around? You could have killed him then what? those women in prison would have had NO mercy on you, you probably wouldn't even make it out alive...if you made it out. Dont you watch Court TV?! Those women will KILL you! Im 23, I have a 3 month old and a 5 year old who is slow, none the less... believe me Ive been at the end of my rope and even in tears...but guess what? this is what you signed up for when you got pregnant! So deal with it. This baby didnt ask to be here. I DO NOT believe in abortion or adoption, but in your case you should have delt with it either way. The poor baby would have been better off. No innocent HELPLESS infant desrves to be thrown into anything. It breaks my heart to hear these types of stories I wanted to cry reading yours! And to be honest....I NEVER WANTED KIDS!!! Im selfish, I have no patience, I never liked kids, and all I wanted to do is go to law school. But I was irresponsible and didnt invest in birth control and guess what? now I have 2 kids. I am married to the father and I have been with him for 8 years. I love my kids very much. and it is very hard to adjust my life around them but I do it. AND I DONT HIT THEM! I ask for help if I feel im about to lose it. Believe me Id so much rather be at the bar on a friday night!! But they never asked to be here, all they know is that they are here.And It's my job to love and care for them now. It hurts to know that there are actually people out there that would harm a defensless infant, someone who never did anything to them....If I were you, Id watch over my shoulder 24-7, cuz all these people that have posted comments dont seem to like you very much and we ALL know what you look like. I bet someone from NY is gonna whip your a*s. And you deserve it! lucky im in michigan.
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#98 Consumer Comment

Look who calls the kettle black

AUTHOR: Sue - (U.S.A.)

As far as I can tell everyone who reads these reports has some-what of a good point! Tupper Lake continues to fall downhill, and fast as far as I am concerned.

As for miss Cindy, you know all about yourself and everyone else because it is you who starts half the sh*t in TL! For someone who abuses her own children, you really have no room to talk.

You rely on people to make your life work day by day and you don't care about anyone except for yourself, not even your own children. Your family is a disgrace to Tupper Lake, hell the whole world as far as I am concerned. Your nothing but a two faced theiving b*tch who thrives on using and abusing everyone around you. I fee bad for your children and your family and your so called friends who have to deal with you on a daily basis.

Maybe you should get off your fat lazy a*s and do something with your life. Try doing something constructive for a change, like spending time with your kids. Subjecting them to drugs, alcohol, drunks, crack-heads, and dead beat people is not considered normal to good parents like myself. You really need to get some help, and take responsibility for your own actions for a change. You suck as an individual, a mom, and a human being in general....get a life you dumb b*TCH!!!
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#99 Consumer Comment

Look who calls the kettle black

AUTHOR: Sue - (U.S.A.)

As far as I can tell everyone who reads these reports has some-what of a good point! Tupper Lake continues to fall downhill, and fast as far as I am concerned.

As for miss Cindy, you know all about yourself and everyone else because it is you who starts half the sh*t in TL! For someone who abuses her own children, you really have no room to talk.

You rely on people to make your life work day by day and you don't care about anyone except for yourself, not even your own children. Your family is a disgrace to Tupper Lake, hell the whole world as far as I am concerned. Your nothing but a two faced theiving b*tch who thrives on using and abusing everyone around you. I fee bad for your children and your family and your so called friends who have to deal with you on a daily basis.

Maybe you should get off your fat lazy a*s and do something with your life. Try doing something constructive for a change, like spending time with your kids. Subjecting them to drugs, alcohol, drunks, crack-heads, and dead beat people is not considered normal to good parents like myself. You really need to get some help, and take responsibility for your own actions for a change. You suck as an individual, a mom, and a human being in general....get a life you dumb b*TCH!!!
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#100 Consumer Comment

Look who calls the kettle black

AUTHOR: Sue - (U.S.A.)

As far as I can tell everyone who reads these reports has some-what of a good point! Tupper Lake continues to fall downhill, and fast as far as I am concerned.

As for miss Cindy, you know all about yourself and everyone else because it is you who starts half the sh*t in TL! For someone who abuses her own children, you really have no room to talk.

You rely on people to make your life work day by day and you don't care about anyone except for yourself, not even your own children. Your family is a disgrace to Tupper Lake, hell the whole world as far as I am concerned. Your nothing but a two faced theiving b*tch who thrives on using and abusing everyone around you. I fee bad for your children and your family and your so called friends who have to deal with you on a daily basis.

Maybe you should get off your fat lazy a*s and do something with your life. Try doing something constructive for a change, like spending time with your kids. Subjecting them to drugs, alcohol, drunks, crack-heads, and dead beat people is not considered normal to good parents like myself. You really need to get some help, and take responsibility for your own actions for a change. You suck as an individual, a mom, and a human being in general....get a life you dumb b*TCH!!!
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#101 Consumer Comment

Tupper Lake is Web Famous

AUTHOR: Anthony - (U.S.A.)

Do a google search for "tupper lake" and look on the 3rd results page.
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#102 Consumer Comment

we all know who is the retard loving fool who put their crap on this site

AUTHOR: Cindy - (U.S.A.)

this was a site for peoples violated rights and to expose scams now instead of helping vitcoms this sight is causing slanderous reports and distroying lifes now people are falling vitoms to these reports oh no doubt it was that dumb a*s jim who started post thier crap i dont no maybe he thinks hes a super star now for heaven sakes the f**k tard was more then happy to go on jerry springer show lol dumb f**k all happy about going "national" you should be living in the nut hut not working thier thanks jim for making us all look like f**k tards as well and why do you keep encourge him yes i seen his stupid a*s wth his cam corder and the guy who wrote about jay and bob your right lol . hey jim when will you and your retard friend gonna go"get your movie check"lol its so sad jimbo and his lil clan made a mess out of this site by the way jimmy aka a hunderd fiffty othier names do you have multipul personality disorder you crazzy drunking women beatting freak i wonder if all those people fighting were really you fighting with your othier personalitys any who this slandering crap should stop
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#103 Consumer Comment

this is getting old

AUTHOR: Cindy - (U.S.A.)

im sick of seeing same crap on. im not sticking up for her but how many years are u gonna complain about her?

is your life so boren that all you got to do is talk about this one girl?

have you ever heard of postpartum depression has it ever came to mind that girl regretts what she has done?

im not sticking up for her because it was wrong and sick but these reports on her are getting old you all self rightous jerks?

like you people never have done anything you regretted it was horrable what she did she has to live with it every day of her life and one day she will have to explain this to her child just get on with ur lifes get new topic
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#104 Consumer Suggestion

Amen to that, Lisa

AUTHOR: Someone Who Agrees With Lisa - (U.S.A.)

Lisa, I totally agree with you on that!!! No matter what a complete screw up and total waste of space someone might be,A baby didn't ask to be brought into their mess of a life, but doesn't deserved to be murdered either!!! Abortion is NOT just another birth control option!!! IT IS MURDER!!! And I do have experience in having an unwed pregnancy...At 19,I was dropped by a very unresponsible 35 year old man after telling him I was pregnant...I was very immmautre and not at all financially stable enough to care for this child...I was told to get an abortion...and guess what? This baby is now a very healthy, intelligent and productive 15 year old girl, (straight A student) living with a family who adores her and has taken awesome care of her all these years!!! It was a heartbreaking decision for me to make, but it was the RIGHT one and I've NEVER once regreted it!!! I have gone on to remarry a good and stable man and have 2 more beautiful children "The Right Way"...I hear reports about how my daughter is from time to time, and though I've never seen her since those 3 days I spent with her in the hospital,and she has no idea who I am,her adoptive parents have told her about my life,my other 2 children and what kind of life I'm living now...I hope to be able to meet her someday soon...
but,until then, "I love you, Hillary!!!
Love, "Me"...
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#105 Consumer Comment

You don't solve someone's problems by making them get an abortion.

AUTHOR: Lisa - (U.S.A.)

That is murder of unborn children, future children who can maybe save the world or find a cure for aids. We are all put on this Earth for a reason. Some of us get lost on the way. For a woman who gets pregnant and doesn't want her baby, there are safe havens for the little ones, and they are the local hospitals and police stations. Unwanted children can be put up for adoption too, I'm sure someone can love those unwanted kids. Abortion isn't the answer. Some women have as many as 9 or more abortions. I suggest that you see the movie "The Silent Scream". It shows an abortion being done while an ultra sound is being done at the same time. You actually see the Baby moving away from the suction tube while screaming. It is very graghic. Then you tell me if abortion should be legal, cause if you say yes, then you are saying muder is legal.
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#106 Consumer Suggestion

Sterilize white trash now!

AUTHOR: Schmibbly - (U.S.A.)

Sounds like Tupperville is a good location to round up Jerry Springer guests.

If you're you're too ignorant to raise children or use birth control you should be sterilized. Keep abortion legal and mandatory!
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#107 Consumer Suggestion

New York rednecks

AUTHOR: Frank - (U.S.A.)

It's funny. Have you seen the reports coming in from this Tupper Lake, NY? Isn't this the part of the country that makes fun of the South? I live in Norma Rae-ville, AL and I've never seen so many rednecks (can there be rednecks up North or is there another name for it) in my life. Looks like a Jerry Springer eposide. But since the media is based up North our out West you never see this publicized on the airwars. Just keep them coming Tupper Lake...makes me feel better about ole Bamy.
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#108 Consumer Suggestion

Step Back

AUTHOR: Lisa - (U.S.A.)

Chanell
I do not know you, nor do you know me. I am not here to judge you, but to offer help if you need it. I am a stay-at- home mom. I have four children and one of them is Special Needs. Before I met my current husband, I was a single mother struggling to make ends meat and never able to go out or get a break. I worked a part time job and a full time job. I lived in a one bedroom basement apartment with two children. And let me tell you, I struggled everyday. I struggled financially, emotionally, and physically. Life was extremely hard. I bussed it everywhere, dropping one child off at one daycare center and another child to a different school. The father of these two older children didn't help much. He sent childsupport when he saw fit.

Look, if you think you will be able to struggle and do right by your children, then I say go for it. I beleive in forgiveness, and I think you should forgive yourself and be the best mother that you can be. If you don't want to be a mother, then that's fine. Give up your children by all means, but remember to forgive yourself and realize you are doing right by your children either way.

Some serious counselling is in order to see why you have anger issues with either decsion you choose. Sometimes things happen to us when we are children and we don't realize why we act the way we do.

I wish you and your children all the luck in the world.
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#109 Consumer Comment

Is This For Real??? God...You people are incredible...

AUTHOR: Ronni - (U.S.A.)

This is better than Peyton Place!!! I've never been to Tupper Lake...and I also, am from a small town (about 900 people...But as a town, we would NEVER go on the internet to air all of our dirty laundry!!!
Don't you people have anything more constructive with your time?!? I came on to check out a company I am thinking of working with(they are not here, fortunately...) and I just happened to run accross these postings...This HAS to be real, who could make up this stuff?!? My suggestion, GET SOME LIVES!!! No wait better yet, scratch that...The world needs great sources of entertainment such as yourselves...Oh, by the way Jim, My husband also has a degree in crininal justice,While I am proud of all he does, it's nothing really worth bragging about... HEY I HEARD THAT THE SPRINGER SHOW IS LOOKING FOR FRESH MEAT...
WHY DON'T "Y'ALL" GIVE THEM A CALL....Talent like this shouldn't be wasted!!!
Oh my god...unbelievable!!!
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#110 Consumer Comment

Very sad story ..your tubes tied....FAST..

AUTHOR: Sharon - (U.S.A.)

I just want to say how sad it is for that little baby to have been thrown out into the snow bank. As a mother of 5 children...I know how tough it can be when you're a new mother. The sleepless nights and days, etc....BUT under NO circumstances should a parent ever do what this woman has done.

I hope and pray that this woman decides to do the right thing and give this baby up...or that she just never gets the baby back. How can anyone do such a thing to a child. It just sickens me!

I'm sure there are parents out there who cannot conceive and would give this baby a great home.

Chanell do me a favor and get your tubes tied....FAST!!!!!!!!!!!
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#111 Consumer Suggestion

To Nancy and Dave...

AUTHOR: Juli - (U.S.A.)

Sorry its been a while...had other priorities that needed attention and have not been on ye ol' Tupper Lake chronicle in a few weeks.

Nancy, interesting reading your post. Unfortunately, legal and ethical regs. prevent me from providing such info to any clients because I am not a medical doctor and to provide such info as you typed here, while it is interesting, would be providing medical advice without "license to practice" ..so I will not be able to pass the info along to clients..sorry.

And about mixing opiates, painkillers and other drugs: its called drug synergism and yes, when you combine several different drugs together, you get a whole new affect ..as if you had created a "new drug". And yes I have knowlege, both academic and first hand to know how drugs can affect the mind and body. Mixing Rx drugs with alcohol is another dangerous no no. Alcohol is a drug (yes, it is, do your research folks.) Anyways, when you mix alcohol with Rx drugs it also creates drug synergism and which is explained above.

Dave: to answer your question. In cases where the children are removed due to substance abuse (and Rx drugs are the drug of choice)the children are initially removed due the parent's over using the prescribed meds. They either take more than the Dr. prescribed, Dr. shop for MORE Rx. so that they have various Rx of the same or similar drug and can take multiple doses at the same time or within close intervals of eachother...
Or they combine, as I said earlier, various meds. to make them too incoherent to effectively parent their child. A parent who is too doped up on meds. Prescribed or not..is NOT a safe person to be entrusted to supervise and tend to the needs of children, of any age.

Too many children and even teens have had to pretty much raise themselves because Mom or Dad were too doped up on pills to cook dinner, pick them up from school, keep a job, buy their clothes, take them to the Dr. when needed. These are all BASIC needs that children have a RIGHT to have met by their parents until they are 18 years old. PERIOD. ITS THE LAW. Even if they have an after school job, a child is not responsible for their own meals, rent, etc. until they are 18!!!! It is by law neglect to force them to do so.

Parents are to meet the needs of their children and reality has shown that parents who actively overuse Rx drugs....recreationally or due to addiction or chronic pain are NOT safe and not of rational mind to make good judgement and supervise their children. (there are other LEGAL methods to deal with chroic pain..I KNOW all ABOUT THIS ..I LIVE IT EVERY DAY..and deal with it without Rx drugs on a daily basis).

Parents have 12 months to work a case plan. If the dependency petition alleges that the child or children were removed due to the parent's alleged substance abuse issue. the Case Manager SHOULD write a case plan task ordering the parent to a substance abuse eval. and follow all recommendations set forth in that eval. (this could include group sessions, NA, AA, etc.) Upon completion of any substance abuse program, the parent is to present a copy of their certificate of COMPLETION (not a cert. of attendance..there is a difference)to the case manager and to their attorney if they have one. (most do, as most are court appointed anyway).

Basically, if the parent stays in compliance and does everything on the case plan, and sticks with the visitation plan/schedule and remains appropriate during visits, they usually get reunited within 12 months.

If parent does not complete case plan within 12 months and cannot establish extenuating circumstances as to why they were not able to complete it in 12 months (hospitatlization long term, etc.) ..then the child is typically placed in long term relative care (usually the child has already been placed with a relative...that is the best option ...see, when children are first "sheltered" or removed from the abusive situation...and we are looking for a place to "place the child.." we have to always consider the non offending bio parent first (the "other parent who didn't abuse the kid in other words)if there is no non offending bio parent then we start checkin out relatives to screen and try to place with relatives to keep child in the most family like environment possible. Failing those options...we look to licensed foster care families.

I love when parents follow case plans. reunifications are fun. It is good to see parents and families make steps in growth.

Hope that clears up your confusion.
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#112 Consumer Comment

All of you think you know...

AUTHOR: ATupperNative - (U.S.A.)

Every single one of you think because you read this trash on this site that you KNOW Tupper Lake? I got news for you, you don't know s**t. And Tim from Gouverneur how would you know anything about this town if you don't live here yourself? Absolutely nothing that's what.
And you don't live 45 minutes away. 45 minutes would only get you as far as South Colton. You'd still have to go through Potstam and what have you, so you might want to add another 45 minutes to that.

For one thing there is plenty of very caring and moral people living here in Tupper. But when you focus on one dead beat mom and assume that they are the only type that live here you are wrong.

Chanell and Jim are not the only people living in Tupper, though I'm sure you'd like to imagine that every set of parents are like that here. But you're wrong. Everyone here was just as disgusted with this event as every single one of you.

Sure Tupper has its problems, but what town doesn't? I'll wait for your answer. You'll be awhile, because I'm pretty sure you won't be able to come up with any. No town is perfect no matter how much you try to make it out to be.

And telling the entire population not to have children when there are plenty of great people living here? But you know why you don't know about them? Because they don't waste their time surfing this site. And frankly I can't see why I stooped so low to do so.

Bye
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#113 Consumer Comment

what is the issue here?

AUTHOR: Ruth - (U.S.A.)

i had saw a story on this web site and thought i would check it out. this is crazy hopefully all of you who are able to make sure the mother gets the help she needs the rest of this is just silly it goes to show that if a state employee has this much time on their hands then maybe they need to get out and help the community a little more. if you have all this money then you shouldn't need to be paid to sit at your computer and badger this site.
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#114 Consumer Comment

In response to Juli's last post

AUTHOR: A - (U.S.A.)

Juli,
You seem very aware of the process and procedures of DCF and find your posts to be very informative. I would like to email you on some specific questions concerning some problems I am experienceing with my case plan and case worker. I would appreciate if you have the time to email me at a_fl_girl23@yahoo.com. Again your post seem to show some experience with DCF and it would be highly appreciated if you could answer some questions I have on my own situation. I understand if you don't, but anyways thank you for the info you have already posted.:) I aplogize to the other posters on this board who may feel that this has nothing to do with the origninal topic.
thanks :)
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#115 Consumer Suggestion

Wow, Tupper Lake

AUTHOR: B - (U.S.A.)

Hello Tupper Lake Folks,

Sounds like you have interesting lives there in the armpit of the world. I really wish someone would introduce all of you to the wonderful world of correct spelling and grammar.

Poor Chanell needs to use another part of her anatomy so she has no more children. You know what they say, the stork brings babies but the swallow brings none.

It sounds like all of you need to be educated and given a bath. I must say, I enjoy reading about your exploits, kind of like I used to enjoy watching Hee Haw.
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#116 Consumer Comment

Get real Phillip

AUTHOR: Nancy - (U.S.A.)

Phillip, I have seen what Jim said on his forum too. He said : "I am friends with the owner and thats why he pulled the reports tonight. I will start posting about you if you want! Leave me alone or else."

He said this to an ex girlfriend, who tried to post here in RipOffReport using his name .. the girl went on further in that rebuttal to try to defame Jim's name.

I was in chat with Jim when that post went up and we both read it at the same time. As I was saying "Jim. you didn't write that did you?!?", he was saying to me "I didn't write THAT." I continued chatting with him as he emailed the EDitor of this site advising him to check the email address on that post to prove it was NOT from him. When this was seen, the posting name was changed by adding a last initial. A BIG thanks to EDitor for that BTW!!!

I've also seen pictures taken down from Jim's forum. Either someone has asked Jim to remove/replace them or he has removed older ones and replaced them with new. The company his forum is on only allows you so many mgs of space for uploaded pictures.

OK, I'm done with you. David? You want him next?
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#117 Consumer Comment

Get real Phillip

AUTHOR: Nancy - (U.S.A.)

Phillip, I have seen what Jim said on his forum too. He said : "I am friends with the owner and thats why he pulled the reports tonight. I will start posting about you if you want! Leave me alone or else."

He said this to an ex girlfriend, who tried to post here in RipOffReport using his name .. the girl went on further in that rebuttal to try to defame Jim's name.

I was in chat with Jim when that post went up and we both read it at the same time. As I was saying "Jim. you didn't write that did you?!?", he was saying to me "I didn't write THAT." I continued chatting with him as he emailed the EDitor of this site advising him to check the email address on that post to prove it was NOT from him. When this was seen, the posting name was changed by adding a last initial. A BIG thanks to EDitor for that BTW!!!

I've also seen pictures taken down from Jim's forum. Either someone has asked Jim to remove/replace them or he has removed older ones and replaced them with new. The company his forum is on only allows you so many mgs of space for uploaded pictures.

OK, I'm done with you. David? You want him next?
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#118 Consumer Comment

Get real Phillip

AUTHOR: Nancy - (U.S.A.)

Phillip, I have seen what Jim said on his forum too. He said : "I am friends with the owner and thats why he pulled the reports tonight. I will start posting about you if you want! Leave me alone or else."

He said this to an ex girlfriend, who tried to post here in RipOffReport using his name .. the girl went on further in that rebuttal to try to defame Jim's name.

I was in chat with Jim when that post went up and we both read it at the same time. As I was saying "Jim. you didn't write that did you?!?", he was saying to me "I didn't write THAT." I continued chatting with him as he emailed the EDitor of this site advising him to check the email address on that post to prove it was NOT from him. When this was seen, the posting name was changed by adding a last initial. A BIG thanks to EDitor for that BTW!!!

I've also seen pictures taken down from Jim's forum. Either someone has asked Jim to remove/replace them or he has removed older ones and replaced them with new. The company his forum is on only allows you so many mgs of space for uploaded pictures.

OK, I'm done with you. David? You want him next?
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#119 Consumer Comment

Well you know...

AUTHOR: Phillip - (U.S.A.)

Jim, I am sick of you refering to you as having a state job, tech you still have one. That is if by meaning you recieve a paycheck from the state. When was the last time you were allowed to step into the building? Why don't you tell everyone why you can't. I'm glad you are not there and as far as I know so is everyone else.The job is hard enough with out having one more to watch. You make your self out as perfect.All the pictures that you have taken of people, how many know? I've seen some dissapear on your web sight. As far as this being posted,I don't think it will happen. As you have stated on your web page, Ed is a very good friend of mine. He will do as I say. To everyone else, Tupper isn't that bad of a place. Most of us are on the normal side, still like anywhere else there are you know...
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#120 Consumer Comment

EXCUCE ME

AUTHOR: Gary - (U.S.A.)

I am so sorry you folk feel so badley about Tupper Lake . It is a nice little town, as long as you stay away from the low-life .As is your own town, I 'm sure.
Thank You.
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#121 Consumer Comment

Wow Juli

AUTHOR: David - (U.S.A.)

I am actually impressed with your last post and at a complete loss as to how to rebuttle it. Good job!!! I am though wondering about mothers who must take pain killers, say for a disease or other legitimate purposes. Is there a investigation done in the begining or does the state just take the kid then find out whats going on? I suppose yes the childs saftey is the most important issue, but does the state in a example like this try to place the child with other family members? How do you work with mothers like this that were good parents but now have to be medicated?
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#122 Consumer Suggestion

The Thomas Recipe helps addicts get sober!

AUTHOR: Nancy - (U.S.A.)

Juli, do you have any training to back up what you are saying about people who have gotten addicted to medications a doctor has had them on for some length of time? Have you ever done a detox off either benzos or opiates, so you can speak from experience? Please hear me out and read all of this, it will be long. I'm not here to condemn, but to educate if I can.

Did I mention to you in the past that I'm a drug addict, compliments of my doctors? No, I'm sober now, I did a cold turkey (at home) off 60 mg of morphine and a few Vicodin ES a day starting this past Feb. 9th. (About the time we met in here.) Then I started a taper off the benzos the docs had me on and finally was able to start sleeping on my own this past week without them.

See Juli, some of us have medical problems or diseases that cause Chronic pain. I have Crohn's Disease . They don't even make a 'pain chart' that applies to me when I'm having a flare, I pass out the pain is so bad. When asked the usual 1 to 10 rating system by a nurse, I say 'I pass out from it' and they circle 10. So guess what Juli? I have to take opiates when I hurt, if I want to have anything that resembles a life. According to what you have written, this is a bad thing and I shouldn't have been allowed to have my kids around me? While I understand this is how a lot of people think, it's not based on fact.

Benzodiazepines. If you really wanna learn about benzos, go read http://www.benzo.org.uk and read what it's really like to be addicted to these EVIL drugs and what it's like to try to get off them. Did you know you can't cold turkey off benzos without the risk of having a seizure and dying? Do you realize that 1 mg of Xanax is equal to 20 mg of Valium? Or that 1 mg of Ativan equals 10 mg of Valium? I didn't know that when I was first given it to sleep. The doctor never thought to mention it, just told me they would help me sleep. (I will NEVER take them again, but after 2+ years on them, I can speak from experience.)

Coming off the benzos was a whole lot of fun. Sleepless nights, hallucinations, paranoia, constant hot/cold sweats, diarrhea, the list is very long. Due to the fact I did a taper off them, I didn't risk a seizure and death. Because I chose a faster taper (2 months) compared to the recommended (a year or more), I did have more withdrawal effects than some have. I'm as bullheaded as David from BullHead City (he'll confirm this, he talks to me in chat all the time, LOL), so I chose to suffer some, to get off the drug faster.

Now let's go to opiates. You made the comment that mixing painkillers creates a NEW drug? Who told you that? Opiates are opiates, the strength of them can vary, as can what they are mixed with (such as Vicodin/Loratab being mixed with Tylenol, but Oxycontin and Morphine are not). How do I know? Cause I took all those drugs over the past 5 years for the pain! Before my first surgery, I was taking 400 mg of MS Contin and 4 Vic ES a day, but it still didn't get all the pain. That does sound like a lot doesn't it, till you consider I was taking the painkillers daily for 5 years .. tolerance being the key word here. When I first was put on them 1 Vic ES would get rid of the pain, but over time, my tolerance built up.

The reason people who become addicted to opiates go after the drugs like Oxy and Morphine is because they do NOT have tylenol in them. Once you build up a tolerance, you don't want to be taking opiates such as Vicodin or Loratab, too much Tylenol in them and you run the risk of your liver being hurt. No one should ingest more than 3000 to 4000 mg of Tylenol a day. An addicted person can easily consume 40 Vicodin a day and if you do the math, that puts *way* too much Tylenol in their system.

Have you ever done a WD (withdrawal) from opiates Juli? Before you are so quick to condemn people who've become addicted, after a doctor has given them opiates for some length of time, let me tell you what it's like. You are aware I'm sure that after you are on opiates for more than a month or so, the drug will change the 'wiring' of your brain. Once taking opiates, your body's natural painkiller that your brain makes, stops! So, you have a choice at that point, you keep taking the opiates so you feel 'normal', or you go into WD. WD will start in a person taking a schedule 3 opiate (Vicodin/Loratab) about 6 hours after they take the last dose. It will start in a person taking a schedule 2 opiate (Oxy, MS Contin) after about 12-24 hours and in someone who's been on the patch (Duragesic/Fentanyl) after the patch expires in 3 days. (Methadone is a whole different ballgame. WD starts after 24-48 hours and it takes about a year for the WD symptoms to go away, NOT fun.)

A CT (cold turkey) WD takes anywhere from 4-5 days for Vicodin/Loratab, the drugs with a short half life and up to 2 weeks for the Oxy/MS Contin type opiates that have a long half life. After the double surgery I had this past August I was released from the hospital taking 240 mg of Morphine a day and 2 Vic ES every 4 hours for the breakthru pain. That's equal to 32 Vic ES a day when you do the conversion for the Morphine and add in the Vics I was taking. (http://www.globalrph.com/narcotic.cgi if you want to check for yourself and do the math.) As I said earlier, to avoid hurting my liver, I was on more Morphine than Vicodin. I have been on Oxycontin in the past too, but due to it being harder to detox from, I did a switch to the Morphine (MS Contin) when I was finally pain free and could start the tapering process.

I did a slow taper, dropping the mgs of the Morphine once a month to make the final WD a little easier on myself. This is always the preferred method, *if* the person is able to taper, not everyone is. I feel the only reason I was able to do it is that I always took my meds as directed, I never abused them. This had NO effect on the addiction I developed to the opiates. (Some people prefer the word 'dependence', since it doesn't sound as bad as the word 'addiction'. I tend to call things as I see it. You take opiates for any length of time, you will get addicted and go thru WD symptoms once you stop taking them.) During this taper I was sick as a dog for the first 2 weeks after the drop in mgs was done, then the next 2 weeks I would 'even out' and adjust to the new dose. I did this from August to February. At that point I felt I was low enough that I could quit and make it thru the CT WD. I made it, but it cost me. I dropped to 76 pounds. (Normal for me is 95.) I got on the scale yesterday and I'm up to 80 pounds now. Happy happy day! I'm finally starting to gain my weight back. :)

WD brings pain in and of itself. It also makes you so sick you feel like you just wanna die. You won't, but you would like to. It's been compared to a bad case of the flu, just 100 times worse. You spend quite a few days to a couple of weeks hurting, running to the bathroom from the diarrhea that feels like it will never end, and your brain doesn't wanna work right. This takes some time, since it's been shut down for so long and it's been depending on the opiates you have been taking to get rid of pain. That's why WD hurts so bad. There is NOTHING there to stop the pain ... and yes, what you have heard about painkillers turning on you after time and actually causing you pain, is true. After my cause of pain was surgically removed, I still had pain, but it was from the opiates themselves, once the last dose I took started to wear off. Now that I've been off the opiates for a couple of months, I have no more pain.

Now take all I've said Juli and think about someone who's been on opiates and has no understanding of addiction and withdrawal. See, I run a forum online for people who've become addicted to drugs after an illness and we help love and support them as they go thru the process of stopping the use of the drugs. A lot of them find us and have NO idea what is happening to them. Doctors are not normally that well versed in addiction and their patients suffer. I've lost count of how many people have said on the forum that they were on high amounts of opiates and their docs just stopped giving them the drug! If these people have no insurance so they could be accepted into a detox clinic, then they are on their own. Some realize what is happening and make it thru the first try. Others don't and are left with WD symptoms they don't understand and it's human nature (and addiction nature) to go find more of the drug to make the sickness stop. Some can afford to order drugs from online pharmacies .. others hit the street or start to doctor shop. They crave the drug, their bodies are crying out for more of it and they go into a tunnel vision type mindset where all they think about is how to get the next pill. Their brain receptors have been rewired by the drugs, they are thinking differently than they did before they were put on the drug by their doctor.

Not every addict is that dirty person you see nodded out on the street corner. In fact, most are not. They are good people who got themselves into a situation they never wanted to be in, just because they got sick or hurt. The next time you come across a parent with an addiction, try asking them what got them started taking the drug in the first place. You might be very surprised at the answer. Ask them why they are still taking the drug if the cause of pain is no longer the reason. I'd bet that fear of the withdrawal is one of the main factors. WD is a *very* scary thing to go thru and if the addict has no support system in place, it may take them quite a few tries before they succeed in getting sober.

There is help for addicts who do want to get off the opiates and do a CT WD at home. The Thomas Recipe is a formula compiled over the years by a former addict, that helps ease some of the withdrawal symptoms. Thomas is a real life friend of mine now, after we met online helping other addicts get sober together. Thomas gave me permission to put a copy of his recipe here for you Juli, in case you can pass it on to people you meet who could benefit from it.
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PLEASE NOTE: I am not a doctor, simply a long-time Rx opiate junkie who has had many opportunities to develop a way to detox. This is a recipe for at-home self-detox from opiates based on my experience as well as that of many other addicts. It is not intended as professional medical advice. It is always wise to make sure none of the recipe ingredients or procedures conflict with medications you may be taking. Likewise, if you have any medical condition, disease, allergy or any other health issue, consult your doctor before using the recipe. Thanks, Thomas

THOMAS RECIPE FOR COLD TURKEY DETOX OFF OPIATES

If you can't take time off to detox, I recommend you follow a taper regimen using your drug of choice or suitable alternate -- the slower the taper, the better.

For the Recipe, You'll need:

1. Valium (or another benzodiazepine such as Klonopin, Librium, Ativan or Xanax). Of these, Valium and Klonopin are best suited for tapering since they come in tablet form. Librium is also an excellent detox benzo, but comes in capsules, making it hard to taper the dose. Ativan or Xanax should only be used if you can't get one of the others.

2. Imodium (over the counter, any drug or grocery store).

3. L-Tyrosine (500 mg caps) from the health food store.

4. Strong wide-spectrum mineral supplement with at least 100% RDA of Zinc, Phosphorus, Copper, Magnesium and Potassium (you may not find the potassium in the same supplement).

5. Vitamin B6 caps.

6. Access to hot baths or a Jacuzzi (or hot showers if that's all that's available).

How to use the recipe:

Start the vitamin/mineral supplement right away (or the first day you can keep it down), preferably with food. Potassium early in the detox is important to help relieve RLS (Restless Leg Syndrome). Bananas are a good source of potassium if you can't find a supplement for it.

Begin your detox with regular doses of Valium (or alternate benzo). Start with a dose high enough to produce sleep. Before you use any benzo, make sure you're aware of how often it can be safely taken. Different benzos have different dosing schedules. Taper your Valium dosage down after each day. The goal is to get through day 4, after which the worst WD symptoms will subside. You shouldn't need the Valium after day 4 or 5.

During detox, hit the hot bath or Jacuzzi as often as you need to for muscle aches. Don't underestimate the effectiveness of hot soaks. Spend the entire time, if necessary, in a hot bath. This simple method will alleviate what is for many the worst opiate WD symptom.

Use the Imodium aggressively to stop the runs. Take as much as you need, as often as you need it. Don't take it, however, if you don't need it.

At the end of the fourth day, you should be waking up from the Valium and experiencing the beginnings of the opiate WD malaise. Upon rising (empty stomach), take the L-Tyrosine. Try 2000 mgs, and scale up or down, depending on how you feel. You can take up to 4,000 mgs. Take the L-Tyrosine with B6 to help absorption. Wait about one hour before eating breakfast. The L-Tyrosine will give you a surge of physical and mental energy that will help counteract the malaise. You may continue to take it each morning for as long as it helps. If you find it gives you the "coffee jitters," consider lowering the dosage or discontinuing it altogether. Occasionally, L-Tyrosine can cause the runs. Unlike the runs from opiate WD, however, this effect of L-Tyrosine is mild and normally does not return after the first hour. Lowering the dosage may help.

Continue to take the vitamin/mineral supplement with breakfast.

As soon as you can force yourself to, get some mild exercise such as walking, cycling, swimming, etc. This will be hard at first, but will make you feel considerably better.



Yes, it's my recipe, though many addicts contributed their wd/detox experiences to its development. While there has been some clinical research into L-Tyrosine, and some rehabs now use amino acids such as L-Tyro for opiate and cocaine detox, because it is a naturally occurring amino acid, pharmaceutical companies can't patent it. Therefore, no meaningful research is or probably will be done (in the US, anyway).

I've tried to keep the recipe text as simple and non-technical as possible, but I need to provide more info for all the addicts like me who consider following directions optional, including two caveats:

1) If L-Tyro is started too soon in the wd/detox process, it can make the detox impossible to continue. Like the pill-ravenous beasts that we all are, many addicts start gulping the L-Tyro on the first day of wd -- an appallingly bad idea, considering that sedation (from the benzo), muscle relaxation (from the benzo/hot bath/potassium combination) and inhibition of bowel motility (from the Imodium) are critical at that point and L-Tyro acts to defeat all of them.

L-Tyrosine therapy should NOT be started until you're no longer feeling the acute opiate wd symptoms (you know what they are -- sweats, cramps, runs, vomiting, insomnia, RLS, etc.) and are now dealing with the aftermath -- total lack of mental, emotional or physical energy.

2) It's already in the text, but people forget that the recipe is formulated for cold-turkey (total cessation of opiates) home detox using the minimum of prescription-only drugs (Valium or other benzo), since most addicts going through this are by then out of money, drugs, doctors and most if not all family support. I don't recommend L-Tyrosine for controlled tapers. It might help when the taper dose gets very, very low, but I'll never know personally because I can't taper.

Anyway, L-Tyrosine comes in clear 500mg capsules. You can get it in almost any nutritional supplement outlet, health food store, online supplement chains, etc., though not in Canada. Just don't waste your money on products that merely include an insignificant amount of L-Tyrosine -- get the pure stuff or nothing.

A significant part of what you're probably all feeling is caused by a depletion of neurotransmitters, principally dopamine and norepinephrine. L-Tyrosine with B-6 (for absorption) stimulates the production of dopamine. It also raises norepinephrine (adrenaline in the brain) levels quite rapidly, giving you a dramatic bump 20 or 30 minutes after the once-in-the-morning dose. It feels good to addicts just out of the detox period trying to get going again!

You take it upon rising on an empty stomach along with 100mgs of B6. You first feel it in your gut -- that good tug in your guts like speed kicking in -- then, also like speed, a mind-clearing rush and a speed-like exhilaration and optimism. You'll want to take another dose -- DON'T! Once a day does it for the better part of the day, the part where you have to think, move and respond at work (all the things you can't do right now). Taking a second dose in the same day almost always results in a nasty tension and, I suspect, vascular headache. Take my word for it and skip that experience!

The one dose of L-Tyrosine wears off in the evening, letting you sleep normally. I urge most people to fore-go their morning caffeine until they see how they do on the L-Tyrosine. Coffee is merely a nuisance compared to the kick from the right dose of L-Tyrosine.

When I would begin the course of L-Tyrosine, I was finishing five, sometimes six days of cold turkey detox off my extravagant hydrocodone habit. My brain was so scraped clean, I found a 4000 mg dose of L-Tyrosine to be just what the doctah ordered. I consider that to be the high end on the dosage chart.

I don't know if the effect is proportional to body weight or not. I'd say start the first morning with three 500mg L-Tyrosine capsules. Use only pure L-Tyrosine caps, no compounds.

Since opiate wd leaves one's bowels a little sensitive, always start the L-Tyrosine course in surroundings where you can deal with the temporary runs that it can give you. It's the tradeoff for getting the benefit of the good L-Tyrosine absorption first thing in the morning. It doesn't happen to everyone. I normally doesn't last beyond the first hour. My system adjusted to it on the third day or so. Until it did, I just kept the Imodium handy.

I'd describe post opiate wd L-Tyrosine therapy as feeling much like speed does after opiate detox (good) without causing the daily depletion that leads to getting hooked on the speed. Almost everyone gets an immediate boost from L-Tyrosine. Most people use it for a few weeks after opiate detox. Some, such as our forum's NA moderator and everyone's friend ******, take L-Tyro regularly after a year or more.

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I hope this helps you understand a little better Juli. I hope the Thomas Recipe will help some of the parents you come in contact with that really DO want to get sober, but are scared to go thru the WD. Please feel free to ask me any more questions if any come to mind after you read this 'book' I just wrote to you. :)
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Community Base Care is the answer!

AUTHOR: Juli - (U.S.A.)

In reading the recent posts of merit, those of Webbie and Nancy mainly, who refer to the child welfare system aka DCF, CPS, or whatever, I have to agree that the OLD DCF ..and the state agencies in areas where child welfare services have not yet privatized...the service is going to be less than desirable. Mistakes are made at nauseating levels, files get misplaced, etc. HOWEVER, in areas such as the one I work in, where Community Based Care is privatized, and our case loads do not exceed 20 at a time...its setting the standard for all other areas.

Yes, its stressful at times, but overall, the case management aspect is bearable. The most aggravating part is when I have parents on my case load who's relationship with their drugs or alcohol is more important to them than their relationship with their children.

I am happy to say that I have a number of parents who have, diligently worked their case plans and with whom I have recommended reunification and the court has approved. People CAN change...IF they want to. Education IS power and I have had many parents say to me "I wish MY parents knew some of that stuff they teach nowadays..I learned SOO much...etc"

And to A from Anytown FL if you test positive on a UA and you cannot provide a Dr. verification for why you are testing positive for certain drugs..ie benzodiazapines, etc. then the state was right in placing your child in your parents' custody while you got a substance abuse eval, and follow up. I have seen too often, parents who dope up on Loratab, or various other painkillers...MIX painkillers which creates drug synergism (which is like making a totally NEW drug) and not be awake enough to cook their kids meals, get them to school, pick them up from school. Heck, one parent (not on my case load though) was too out of it to take her child to the ER when he swallowed "something" ..she couldn't even tell them what the child swallowed..but it was some kind of pill.

You may think that taking prescription drugs and being addicted to them will not affect your ability to safely parent your children...but I think you know deep down, that that is not true. IT DOES impair your judgement, your reaction time and your ability to be responsible. Even though you are in the home with your child, your parents were considered the primary caregivers.

And contrary to popular belief, our primary goal in most cases when kids are removed IS reunification with the parent. Long term relative or licensed care is only a concurrent goal...a plan B if you will in case the parents don't work their case plan in the 12 month period that Fed. law allows them.

When the abuse is so heinous that the child's long term safety is at risk (ie one of the parents/caregivers is a confirmed sexual predator, etc)then we look at other long term options for the child.

We always ALWAYS are acting in the best interest of the child's safety.

Yes the system has glitches, but in privatized sectors of Child Welfare, I think you will find the services to far exceed in quality compared to the overworked "state" agencies of days gone by.

aloha all ..and I hope Chanelle continues on a righteous path..and stays away from those who will only drag her down.
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#124 Consumer Comment

please pass me a pair of earplugs

AUTHOR: Nancy - (U.S.A.)

David ... You know I love ya sweetie, but did you *have* to bring up Joe singing songs? I'm not sure my poor ears can take the torture!!! Will someone please pass me a pair of earplugs, I'd very much appreciate it.

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Heather, you are so right. This all should have been dropped long ago, but some people just can't let it be. Even though she doesn't know me, please give Channell my best when you talk to her next.

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Rick, you said: "If you people have nothing else better to do than to sit here and insult each other then you really only have 2 choices that will help the rest of us that enjoy this site from becoming less intelligent from reading all the garbage."



Thank you so much for letting everyone know you invested at least 2 hours reading this entire report and you didn't take the time to read all the information that the EDitor of this site has up, which informs you why the Tupper Lake reports are allowed here. This shows everyone that you really have no idea what you are talking about and you only did a rebuttal to try to stir everything up again. Are you a friend of Joes?

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Webbie. Nice to see you hiding behind a fake name. Now let's talk about all you said and about CFS, Welfare, whatever you wanna call it. The name varies from state to state.



You are correct that David and Jim started out fighting in the Tupper Lake reports. They also talked out their differences and like the real men they are, they found common ground and became friends. That's a hell of a lot more than most who've posted here have done. Did YOU take the time to check out everything said in this report over the past couple of years and ask people in Tupper Lake what was fact and what was fiction? I did. I found that Channell is doing well these days, she sees her son who now lives with his father, and her daughter is doing fine.



You paint a real rosy picture of Welfare. Did you use them when you relinquished your son for adoption? If you did, I'm happy you had a pleasant experience. I'm a reunited adoptee myself, but what I found wasn't pleasant. My birthmom was woken up from the drugs given to her for my birth (they did that back in the '50's) by the Welfare lady and asked to sign hospital admission papers. (She had me a *very* short time after getting to the hospital and didn't have time to fill them out.) She signed where she was told to and went back to sleep. A few hours later when she woke up and asked to have me brought to her, she was informed she had signed adoption papers, not admission papers and would never see me again. She didn't see me again either, until I petitioned the state I was born in and legally got my adoption records opened when I was in my mid-30's.



Now tell me again how wonderful they are.

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TJim, come out, come out, from wherever you are. :)
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#125 Consumer Comment

Response to this Nonsense

AUTHOR: A - (U.S.A.)

I came across this website accidently while surfing the internet. The title caught my attention and after reading all the posts I am still wondering if all these allegations about the said Chanell are true or are they just rumors by ex friends who may not like this person?



If Chanell did in fact throw her child in the snow, my heart not only goes out to the baby but also to Chanell herself. Chanell has to have some severe mental issues whether psychological or substance abuse related to have not only thought about harming her child but also to actually do it. (I say this with symphathy and not slander) Now to address another issue, I have read that most people on this site would agree that Chanell should never be involved in her child(s) life but nobody has taken in consideration the psychological well being of her child as he grows older not to be a part of his mothers life. Can the courts or child welfare predict that later on Chanell childs may have emotional issues by not having a relationship with the birth mother?



I am by no means condoning the mothers behavior but having my own personal experience with DCF (Dept.of Children and Families) I know firsthand that allegations made against a mother concerning abuse and/or neglect are not entirely true. Anyone can call the 1-800 number and report a parent of negleting or abusing their child.



For example: I am a single mother of a 7 year old child. I have always provided my child with emotional and finacial support as well as a stable home enviorment. I also come from a very good family but also strict. I admit I did at one time have a subtance abuse addiction for prescription pills, but I ALWAYS took care of my child and NEVER let my addiction come in the way of my being a mother. My family who after an argument decided to call DCF and allege that I was ordering RX's over the internet. Let me state that anyone who has DCF involved in their life is going to be put in pure Hell. To make a long story short DCF drug tested me for RX pills and when I failed and had no legal Doctor's note DCF decided to take action and remove my child from my custody and put him in temporary custody of my parents.



My parents who then realized what they had done stated to DCF that removing my son from me and his home would be detrimental to his emotional well being. At this time I decided that I was going to live with my parents so that I would still be in the home with my child and DCF allowed this.



My point is DCF and the family legal system is completly screwed up, here I had lost custody of my son because DCF felt that my "substance abuse problem" was a form of "neglect" and the only intervention was to take custody from me DCF still allows me to have contact with my son on a daily basis which I am very grateful for. But see the irony here? My point is DCF is not always right they are people who work for the best interest of children, DCF takes the alleged parents to court and you have to do a "case plan" regardless of whether things are true or not. A parent can have a trial but DCF will drag your entire past to the court, so if a parent has anything that could be an "issue" it will be addressed. To sum this all up DCF workers are people who care about children but they are also overworked and underpaid for the amount of hours they put in. Yes there are alot of BAD parents out there but not everyone that loses custody of their children are bad people, but only parents who have made bad choices. So my point is if in fact Chanell did leave her child in the snow then yes the courts had every right to get involved and take custody, but did that really happen or did Child Welfare make more out of a situation than what really happened. Chanell could have just slipped in the snow and dropped her child then had a vindictive friend call and allege abuse.



I do not mean to sound if I am condoning any form of child abuse because I think any person expecially a mother who decides to not only bring a child in this world but also decide to take full repsonsibilty to raise a child should realize that once you have a child your life is going to change. So if Chanell did commit the acts that are alleged and still continues the lifestyle she lead and is not doing what is required by the family court then I do not see how she can really love her child.



The legal system and Child Welfare are ultimately about the welfare of a child and parents have alot of legal rights that Child Welfare try to work with. In the end everyone is usually striving for reunification between parents and children, but the parents have to make a 100% effert in regaining parental rights. Usually when family court is involved that is your second chance and if Chanell really loves her child then she would/will use that chance to regain custody.
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#126 Consumer Comment

Change the Channel!!

AUTHOR: J.R - (U.S.A.)

You people from Tupper Lake need to learn how to spell!! I bet the sheep run scared in that neck of the woods. Channell is the skankiest looking wart hog I have seen in quite some time. She needs to get thrown in the snow and slapeed silly. To treat a baby like that proves the fact that she should be steralized and sent to the funny farm. I would love to donkey punch her a leave her in the snow bank!1



Wade:

You made me laugh till my belly hurt.



Party on Wade..





Katie and Channell,

Ladies lets get together and party. I will bring the rubbers(i need to from what i have read),oils, lotions, beer( i prefer coors, but for you hot chicks, i'll bring some natural lite),cream for you ladies(for the special problem), chewing tobacco( i prefer copenhagen, but i'll bring some redman for you nice two pieces of a*s), and a couple of happy meals from that fine McDonalds you have in town. Katie you bring a nice pair of high heels( in black if you can), thigh highs(without holes please) and something to clean up with afterwards. Channell you bring a clean thong, sexy bra and plastic sheets( the ground might be cold). Ladies I can't wait to do our threesome. Opps I forget, I can't do that because Jim might kiss my a*s. Sorry Ladies.



Wayde - Boston, Massachusetts

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#127 Consumer Comment

Out of the closet

AUTHOR: Jim PV - (U.S.A.)

As you all know by now I had my own dealings with Chanell and have seen and done many things with her.



Most of the stuff you all read in the begining was true but happened a long long time ago so it is really pointless to even bring them up anymore.



I re-read most of these posts again and it got me thinking about some fun times I did have with Chanell and I figured what the heck maybe some good will come out of all this.



Im not sure if anyone knows this or not but Chanell likes women. We had a few threesomes with me her and another women. She had suggested one time that she would like to have a couple join us one day. After a while thinking about this I have started to wonder about it too.



Even though Chanell and I are not together anymore maybe some of you that know me might be able to hook me up. Juli and Michelle you two I think could hook me up and I would even invite Joe since I would like to swing both ways and really give you people something to talk about.



HAHAHA
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#128 Consumer Suggestion

Tupper Lake's trials and tribulations

AUTHOR: Webbie - (U.S.A.)

I've been following Tupper Lake's trials and tribulations off and on for a couple of years now. I was hoping against hope that progress would be made. I saw a lot of my younger idealistic self in those "reports" from the "young citizens working for change." What a source of inspiration! The constant sniping and bickering was, admittedly, a source of entertainment, mostly overlooked while seeking the real force of change that could make a difference.



I still hope progress is made. I still hope to read, one day, that Tupper Lake and it's citizens have risen and taken control of their town, their lives, their public officials and their futures.



This thread, however, dashes that hope. When I first began reading this line, about Chanelle and her son, David was giving Jim "what for" in ways that should have made him think. Chanelle was attending parenting classes and her son was living with his father, safe and sound by all accounts. She was pregnant, but I had hope again. Maybe she could learn from her mistakes and "make it right" with the new baby!



Now, I find that there is a daughter in jeopardy, (verbal abuse isn't all that different from physical) and that David and Jim are allies in the fight to keep the "status quo." I see that someone named Juli has been dismissed for various reasons (including her self admitted indulgence in immature debate.) What has happened to the "Hope?"



The bottome line is, and always has been.



There is help out there if you want it. There is hope if you will work for it. And there is a toll free, anonymous number if you KNOW something isn't as it should be.



1-800-96-ABUSE



I lost a much longed for baby a a couple of months ago. That kind of pain, I wouldn't wish for anyone, "deserving" or not. Don't wait until it's too late. Don't let your child, or ANY child suffer when so many are not only willing, but praying for a young life to share their joy, their livlihood, their love and their advantages.



I gave one up 16 years ago, for just those reasons. I couldn't do it! I wasn't ready! I was alone, uneducated, poor and afraid. I was a child myself and did not want my son to grow up the way that I did.



Don't let it be too late for a child you know. Don't let it be too late for YOUR child if you have to make that decision.



My first son is now 16, beautiful, happy, adjusted, smart...everything I had ever hoped he would be. He has a few more "parents" than he knows what to do with, granted, but he is blessed by all of us. He knows that I chose a better life for him. He knows that his adoptive parents chose him and gave him that life. His biological father even figures in these days. We all won. 4 people (now, with our spouses, 6,) worked together to make this young man who he is...and he is WONDERFUL! All through his life, I had photos and reports of his progress. I didn't have to wonder like it was in the old days. I not only CHOSE his parents, they were willing to keep me in the loop. It can happen that way these days. No, I didn't have contact until he was older, but I didn't wonder about him the way the old adoptions worked either.



So, again I say,



1-800-96-ABUSE



If you know, or even suspect. Why take the chance?



Now, at 36, I have the marriage, the spiritual strength, the material goods, the education, the WILL to raise a child. And it may be too late. Never let it be too late for a child you care about.



One last time.



1-800-96-ABUSE



You may not just save one life. You may save the mother or father too.



Think about it.



(PS don't bother with flames, I don't respond. Just THINK! and don't forget my story!)



PPS. Juli-I wish I had an email addy for you. My beloved Gram worked in DFS for many, many years and would have loved to see the changes being made now. Many of which she worked hard for in her 20 years of service. She was the most dedicated, loving individual I have ever known and she would be proud of the legacy that has grown beyond her, and most especially proud to know that you have stepped into her place.
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#129 Consumer Comment

ALL OF YOU, need some psychiatric counseling and possibly medication

AUTHOR: Rick - (U.S.A.)

After reading most of what all you people have written here, the only suggestion that I can come up with is that ALL OF YOU, need some psychiatric counseling and possibly medication.



It started off as a gripe about some women that abused her child and turned into a bash column where almost none of it had to do with the original subject.



If you people have nothing else better to do than to sit here and insult each other then you really only have 2 choices that will help the rest of us that enjoy this site from becoming less intelligent from reading all the garbage.



1. Take the women that you were originally talking about on the Jerry Springer show because it sounds like you ALL would fit right in there. I hear they are always looking for new trailer trash.



This way you all can go face to face on national Television and make fools of yourselves in the ultimate way.



2. Open up your very own Trailer err I mean Tupper dating service because it sounds like you all want to date just so you can keep this ignorant thread going.
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#130 Consumer Comment

Heather is right!! like Joe from Madrid NY did ..How many countries call upon America to help them and expect Canada to show up?

AUTHOR: David - (U.S.A.)

Thanks for the update Heather. Its been said several times but some people don't get it and just post here to hear themselves talk. Then when no one listens to them they change their name or city like Joe from Madrid NY did, Like no one can figure out its Joe Douglas Watson from Hamilton ON Canada. Hmmmm how many people here think of Canada when they hear "God Bless America" or "America the Beautiful". How many countries call upon America to help them and expect Canada to show up? I'm not saying anything bad about the wonderful country of Canada or its great people but Joe when you say the "American Dream" no one is thinking about Canada. Now please quit embarrassing your countrymen like you have on other topics where they asked you to be silent and shut your pie hole. In addition there is no "e" in argument. Its sense not sence and there is no such word as Wheather. Your boring and a total idiot.
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#131 Consumer Comment

GET OVER IT!!!, she is not the brightest person I know, common sense wise, and she drives me up the wall with her ignorance

AUTHOR: Heather - (U.S.A.)

I also know Chanell and see her on, just about, a daily basis. I am really curious to figure out what makes most of you people on here think that you are SSSSOOO much better than Chanell? No Chanell is not the perfect parent--are you? I know I am not. What she did was unbelievably wrong but YES she has paid her price, leave her alone and GET OVER IT!!



Dawn is absolutely right in what she wrote, she DOES know the person who has recently turned Chanell and her significant other in to DSS, as do I. This person did this out of pure spite and vindictiveness!! All of those allegations have been unfounded.



Partially in Chanell's defense, she is not the brightest person I know, common sense wise, and she drives me up the wall with her ignorance but her daughter is VERY well taken care of!!



Chanell is in the process of getting her GED and I think she will slowly get her life to where it should be. I am sure if you all look back even just 5 yrs you will see the difference in yourself today and that everything you have been through has made you who you are today. Get on with your own lives and leave Chanell alone. Maybe without all of you people on her back she can continue to move on. Good luck to you all!!
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#132 Consumer Comment

OH MY GOD !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

AUTHOR: Joe - (U.S.A.)

Well here goes,,,,,,I will type this rebuttal really slow because(that is how it is spelled david not becuase) I now realize that a lot of you people cant read very fast. As for the case of Chanell, you people need to get a life.

David... you have made a lot of comments on other topics on this web site. All of which you seem to enjoy starting arguements with anybody that has a rebuttal. Wheather or not you know any thing about it. It would seem to me that you really should try to do something a little more constructive with your life....



Jim........Oh where do I start? I dont know you but i do think i know people like you. You know them too.....They are the ones that are under your care at sunmount. If you had half a brain you would see just how stupid you make yourself look.



Nancy..... the last time checked Canada was in America, so Joe's living the American dream, may be correct. He didn't say U.S. dream.

Juli......You are making yourself look like you came from the same gene pool as Jim and Dave which by the way im willing to bet is stagnant.

Wow i dont know where to go with this other than to say that the only one that has made any sence here is Dawn. She seems to know more about what is happening in Chanells life than any of you do. Ok im done so now i will look forward to reading your attacks on me, but dont worry i am looking forward to them. By for now.

LMAO @ ALL OF YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!
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#133 Consumer Comment

OH MY GOD !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

AUTHOR: Joe - (U.S.A.)

Well here goes,,,,,,I will type this rebuttal really slow because(that is how it is spelled david not becuase) I now realize that a lot of you people cant read very fast. As for the case of Chanell, you people need to get a life.

David... you have made a lot of comments on other topics on this web site. All of which you seem to enjoy starting arguements with anybody that has a rebuttal. Wheather or not you know any thing about it. It would seem to me that you really should try to do something a little more constructive with your life....



Jim........Oh where do I start? I dont know you but i do think i know people like you. You know them too.....They are the ones that are under your care at sunmount. If you had half a brain you would see just how stupid you make yourself look.



Nancy..... the last time checked Canada was in America, so Joe's living the American dream, may be correct. He didn't say U.S. dream.

Juli......You are making yourself look like you came from the same gene pool as Jim and Dave which by the way im willing to bet is stagnant.

Wow i dont know where to go with this other than to say that the only one that has made any sence here is Dawn. She seems to know more about what is happening in Chanells life than any of you do. Ok im done so now i will look forward to reading your attacks on me, but dont worry i am looking forward to them. By for now.

LMAO @ ALL OF YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!
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#134 Consumer Comment

OH MY GOD !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

AUTHOR: Joe - (U.S.A.)

Well here goes,,,,,,I will type this rebuttal really slow because(that is how it is spelled david not becuase) I now realize that a lot of you people cant read very fast. As for the case of Chanell, you people need to get a life.

David... you have made a lot of comments on other topics on this web site. All of which you seem to enjoy starting arguements with anybody that has a rebuttal. Wheather or not you know any thing about it. It would seem to me that you really should try to do something a little more constructive with your life....



Jim........Oh where do I start? I dont know you but i do think i know people like you. You know them too.....They are the ones that are under your care at sunmount. If you had half a brain you would see just how stupid you make yourself look.



Nancy..... the last time checked Canada was in America, so Joe's living the American dream, may be correct. He didn't say U.S. dream.

Juli......You are making yourself look like you came from the same gene pool as Jim and Dave which by the way im willing to bet is stagnant.

Wow i dont know where to go with this other than to say that the only one that has made any sence here is Dawn. She seems to know more about what is happening in Chanells life than any of you do. Ok im done so now i will look forward to reading your attacks on me, but dont worry i am looking forward to them. By for now.

LMAO @ ALL OF YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!
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#135 Consumer Suggestion

oh my..I had NO idea!

AUTHOR: Juli - (U.S.A.)

Jim..you WORK for Sunmount, wow...that's a shocker...based on your replies, I thought you were a CLIENT..sorry. I did not think that someone who worked for a facility like Sunmount would be so blatantly violent and threatening in his public posts.



Interesting, they must not screen their employees carefully, or do they hire former clients?
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#136 Consumer Comment

WOW! Things Are A' Hoppin in Hooterville!

AUTHOR: Larry - (U.S.A.)

I get the biggest kick reading all these posts. Corrupt political leaders, irresponsible baby breeders, child abuse, drugs, alcohol abuse, alleged incest........ illiterate postings, bad grammer, bad punctuation...... WOW! Things are hopping in Hooterville.... I mean Tupperware.... I mean Tupper Lake. Do all of you share one computer in your "village"? I'll just bet it's located at the Tupper Lake Public Library!...... or as most of you from the area would type, "Pubic Libary" Ah hahahahahahaha! I'm just dying to read more. Keep going, keep going...... or is that what Chanell says each time she meets a man? Oops, I should have stated from the posts Chanell would sleep with ANYTHING that has a working respiratory system, or at least......... can move! Ah hahahahahaha! What treasures you all arae! Ah hahahahahaha! I wonder how many of you have your dog and your wallet........ on the same chain?
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#137 Consumer Comment

Juli, "Chanell will be fine as well as her children"! ..Tupper Lake was ranked one of the top 10 vacation spots

AUTHOR: Jim - (U.S.A.)

Juli,



Chanell, Cory and the children will be fine sooo leave things alone now, time to move on, honey. Oh, if you want to talk s**t my little creme puff just mention my name instead of people at Sunmount as I am the only one she hangs out with that works there.





Jean,



Yeah, Tupper Lake was ranked one of the top 10 vacation spots but they took the area and the beauty of the area into consideration, not the local villagers who dance around the bonfire roasting marshmallows. They certainly didn't take into consideration all the roads that need repairing in the village. Hey what about the lack of business in our area, s**t, you don't care you are from Las Vegas, miss money bags. Hey, great idea for you, move back to this wonderful village if you like it soooo much.
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#138 Consumer Comment

Proof Tupper Lake is a great place.... read on!

AUTHOR: Jean - (U.S.A.)

Here's for all you people who are convinced Tupper Lake is a hopeless joke. It is the Number Dream town of america in the Men's Journal. For all of you who think the 2% of Tupper Laker's, who cut down the town and neighbors here, are the cream of the crop for validation and views of this nice little town, read what bonified media actually write about the town:



Men's Journal

Hideouts & Dream Towns

Here are 25 ways to slip away.



http://www.mensjournal.com/adventure/0405/hideouts.html



GOLDEN POND

Tupper Lake, New York

Most travelers to the northwestern corner of the Adirondacks skip Tupper Lake when they see the collapsed building at the center of town. Beautification projects wouldn't be on your agenda either if you lived here: Tupper Lake is one big launch ramp for the Ten Rivers Recreational Area, where you can hike 3,352-foot Ampersand Mountain, fish for trout on the slow-flowing Raquette River, or shoot Class V rapids in the Hudson River Gorge -- and be surrounded by all the beauty you could ask for. WHERE TO STAY The Wawbeek (from $140; 800-953-2656; wawbeek.com), eight miles east of town, is a classic Great Camp on 40 acres. HOW TO GET THERE Fly to Albany, then drive two and a half hours north. --Shane Mitchell





News 10 Now:

http://www.news10now.com/content/top_stories/default.asp?ArID=15123



Men's Journal ranks Tupper Lake among the best

3/31/2004 9:48 PM

By: News 10 Now Staff



Tupper Lake is ranked as one of the top twenty-five favorite hideouts, dream towns and secret destinations in the world, according to the latest issue of Men's Journal.

It calls Tupper Lake a great location, despite a collapsed building in the center of town.



Tupper Lake's mayor wishes the magazine left out the part about the building.She says it was torn down because it was condemned.Nonetheless, she calls it an honor.



Tupper Lake is one of ten US locations to make the list.Men's Journal ranks Tupper Lake among the best.
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#139 Consumer Suggestion

why all the insults

AUTHOR: Juli - (U.S.A.)

To answer your question Jeff, I often wondered the same thing. I work as a foster care/protective services case manager in FL and when I first replied, I got PERSONALLY insulted by Jim, David and a few others who joined in on their childish retaliation against my informed and educated rebuttals.



Now, I admit, I did at times get rather childish in my replies but it was most often in respose to some verbal attack from Jim or David.



And, I often use this site as a form of comic relief now, you must admit, the posts on here from the various levels of intelligence and humor are quite entertaining. We have people with graduate degrees all the way down to those who act as if they have not passed kindergarten yet with their romper room antics.



The reason why many of Chanelles "friends" or those claiming to know her get so hostile and insulting is that, most of them were more than likely abused or neglected as children themselves...and that is the ONLY way they know HOW to deal with people.



It is a sad cylce. And while I have let my frustration and anger out on these folks for allowing this abuse to perpetrate ...and for continuing to hail Chanelle like some poor victim...SHE is the one that abused her child--while I did all this..I had to take a step back and really reassess the situation.



I know pity all of them really...Jim, Dave, whoever else ranted and insulted me and the others who posted in defense of the poor child who was abused..



You see, all of these adults were more than likely once abused children themselves. Does it give them the right to beat women or verbally attack anyone who disagrees with them? NO..does it give them the right to call their children filthy names and scream at them? NO...



While it is NOT their fault that their parents abused or neglected them when they were young..and they had no control over what happened to them back then..they absolutely have control over how they allow it to control their future!!!



They can ACKOWLEDGE that the way they grew up was NOT healthy or normal ...



They can GET HELP..counseling..whatever...and STOP DRUGGING AND DRINKING TO escape the pain of the past abuse! THAT does not help anything ..it only causes more problems!



Finally..THEY CAN TAKE A FRICKIN PARENTING CLASS...yes...even if the STATE is not involved in your life people...and even if you DONT have any children yet...take parenting classes so you know the RIGHT way to raise children...IN TODAY'S SOCIETY.



Children DONT come with a book of instructions...but UNDERSTANDING child development will HELP ANY PARENT be successful and EVERY child have a better shot at having a SAFER childhood.



Last thing, single Moms and Dads out there...if you are gettin' stressed...its OK to ask for a breather! If you have ONE relative or friend who is NOT a druggie ..doesn't drink ...and not a sexual abuser...TAKE SOME TIME FOR YOURSELF and get that person to babysit! Go fishin...or golfin' or get your nails done Mom's (or Dads if that is your preference haha)



The point is...parenting is a 24 hour a day job and children are treasures. NOT everyone is blessed with the ability to have children. And some who do, end up losing their children to cancer, and car accidents, etc. SO CHERISH EVERY DAY you have with your children...but take care of yourselves as well. A burnt out parent runs the risk of becoming an abusive parent.



If Chanelle truly is doing better..GREAT..but if she is still hanging around Mud Puddles..then I don't think she is progressing much...



I would suggest she get her GED..get a vocational certificate and get the heck out of Tupper Lake...go somewhere she and her child can have a REAL future!



That is my constructive input for today.

People CAN change...I pray she has. But if she is still hanging around people who are psychotic or abusive or drinking and drugging or ANYONE from Sunmount...she needs to STOP..they will only bring her right back into the trenches!
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#140 Consumer Comment

Dawn is for real

AUTHOR: Nancy - (U.S.A.)

Jeff, let me assure you that Dawn is for real. She may not live in Tupper Lake any more, but she is Channell's friend and is in contact with her daily, as she said in her rebuttal.



Being Channell's friend is the reason she went off on the one person who decided to keep this all going, by saying Channell was being bad to her little girl. That person, when doing that rebuttal, *knew* that Channell was not online and couldn't defend herself. Can you blame Dawn for that? I'd probably do the same thing for one of my friends, especially when you consider how long this report has been active.



How do I know all this? I have talked with Jim on the phone as recently as last night and I asked him.



Channell and her daughter are doing fine. Her son is with his father and she visits him. This has all been stated many times thru this very long report, but some people just can't seem to let it all drop.
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#141 Consumer Comment

Chanell, is not that bad!!!!!!!!!! I know she can be very loving

AUTHOR: Jim - (U.S.A.)

To all people reading report!





I am hoping that some people here will come forward and show that Chanell has cleaned up her act and has become a good mother. I know she made a mistake and has a lifetime to pay for it but we need to give her a break as she was young and everyone needs a second chance. I dated Chanell for over a year, I know she can be very loving. Ask me any questions about Chanell as I am prepared to answer them without prejudice!

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#142 Consumer Suggestion

Dawn...

AUTHOR: Jeff - (U.S.A.)

I am sorry for your friend, if it is true and glad that this never happened. Since you have decided to make some comments, I have decided to ask you a few questions



Do you know the president, and members of the government? Hope you don comment about them as you don't know them



Every bought something that was of a bad quality? hope not and I hope you didn't comment on that either

I hope you don't make comments based on the news paper or anything, we all know not all that stuff is true.



My point is don't come downing people here that YOU don't know, I DON'T know you. The fact that you come here downing people and making comments about another person just shows that you are part of the game also. You just come here and said the person that put this all on here is whatever, then start slamming her. Good way to get my confidence.



Jim is this girl for real?



I have other questions for you Dawn:

Can anyone that knows this girl come on here like and adult and make a calm reasonable response? Can they do it without putting people down?
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#143 Consumer Comment

I agree with you

AUTHOR: Nancy - (U.S.A.)

Hi Dawn. I agree with you and as I have said before in this report, anyone who really reads thru it all, can tell that one rebuttal about Channell yelling at her daughter was written by someone who was just trying to keep this all going. Too many other times it's been said that she and her daughter are doing well these days.



The only thing I see wrong in what you wrote, was you spelled Jim's name wrong, he's now spelling it TJim. :)



Oh man, he's gonna make me pay for that crack, I KNOW it. Be gentle on me Jim or I will be forced to *bite* you. Hehe. Told ya I was gonna nail ya on that typo my friend. David! Come save me!!!



OK, I'm gonna go hide out before the guys read this. Give Channell my regards when you talk to her next Dawn. Thanks.
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#144 Consumer Comment

PEOPLE CAN CHANGE!!!!!

AUTHOR: Dawn - (U.S.A.)

I have been on this site many times and I read everything up to date. I cannot believe all of u people on this report downing Chanell. Especially not knowing her, as Jim from (as u people call it) Tupperville says people do deserve a second chance. As for the report that was made on Chanell abusing her 8 month old little girl that was all a lie that some one made up. I know the person that made that report on here and she wasn't really one to talk about anyone else and their children as she has 5 children herself and doesn't have any of them and does not see any of them and let alone is pregnant AGAIN!!!!!!!!



I don't understand how anyone can be judged on a bunch of writing on an internet site. Most of u people must b insecure about yourself and have nothing better to do with your time other than to write bulls##t about a person that u don't even know. I talk to Chanell every day if any one wants to ask a question than speak up!! I will start answering because I just can't believe the stuff that you people say....



I will leave for now, but I have to ask HOW CAN YOU JUDGE SOMEONE IF YOU DON'T KNOW THEM???
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#145 Consumer Comment

THERE IS A CHILD INVOLVED RIGHT???

AUTHOR: Amie - (U.S.A.)

Chantell,



You realize that a little boys life is at stake right? You tossed your own flesh and blood into a snow bank at a age so young they can not even hold their head up let alone fend for themselves. What was so important that you had to reach the point of anger over the absent babysitter that you threw your infant that you CHOOSE to have and keep in a s****. />

You continue to trash talk and badmouth others on this forum, yet in this very public grounds that you are using you continue to show what a total lack of humanity that you have. Not once do you defend you or your child in an adult manner as a mother should. Of course you showed your in abilty to be a adult and a mother the instant you picked up that innoncent, unsuspecting and TRUSTING life and tossed him like a piece of garbage into a s****. />

People like you continue to be oxygen theives and a burden on society. Think of the problems all of your children are going to have when they grow up and realize that mother is a real piece of work. I am sure the mystery of birth control will continue to escape you. I am saddend for the future of this little life and any more that you continue to bring into this world. Think of all the people out their tonight crying themselves to sleep because they can not have one of the greatest miracles you will ever experience and you decided to throw yours away.
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#146 Consumer Comment

beautiful place but has ignorant pea brains running it that are interested in lining their pockets with green instead off growth

AUTHOR: TJim - (U.S.A.)

d**n, I leave for few days and nothing gets posted!



To all interested readers:



This is your friendly Tupper Lake Host here to entertain you with all the various stories of the Tupper Lake saga. d**n, I leave for a for a few days and I see we have had no new posts with exception of the new reader Jayna. Welcome aboard Jayna and glad to have you as an avid Tupper Lake reader. I will tell you from a serious note that the stories about Tupper Lake are about 90-94% accurate which is a shame because it really is a beautiful place but has ignorant pea brains running it that are interested in lining their pockets with green instead off growth and prosperity. Well lets hear from some of our daily readers and see what their comments will be. I am curious to see who will speak up with me or who opposes me and goes with the FLOW.
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#147 Consumer Comment

Tupper Lake......Wow!

AUTHOR: Tracy - (Canada)

I would really like to visit this beautiful community/town. The next time i am on vacation i think i will stop by. Maybe go to the local bars. Or maybe even find me a red neck so we can settle down in a double wide trailer. Raise some youngin's. Then we can send them off to school so they can have some learnin done. When theys grow up me and pa can sit on the front porch of the trailer and watch our dawg breed them cats. Sure make fer some entertainment i tell ya'll.So what do ya'll think could you hook me up with some of you're cousin's brother's uncle's and what not? Or are they all taken by their own relatives?

Tale care ya'll!
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#148 Consumer Comment

I found the never-ending saga of Tupper Lake! :)

AUTHOR: Jayna - (U.S.A.)

Twin Peaks...or Tupper Lake?



I, like so many other non Tupper Lake residents, stumbled upon these "reports" while doing research on a product. To my surprise, I found the never-ending saga of Tupper Lake! :) I am originally from Central New York...the Utica/ Syracuse area. Now, I live in New Jersey...in a place outside of New York City.



I am slightly familiar with the Tupper Lake area as I have been to the Adirondack region, Old Forge, Lake Placid, etc. I have found many of these small towns to be graciously beautiful. There is nothing like the Adirondacks!



To my horror, I actually have enjoyed reading these reports which resemble a mixture of "Twin Peaks", "Jerry Springer", and maybe even a little, "South Park". COMPLETELY UNREAL.



So much "color" in such a small town... Chanell, the political corruption, stealing Elvis trays, backstabbers, cheaters, molesters, Bob and Beth from McDonalds, Erin the l*****n Manager, the alcoholic roofer, the teachers who skinny dip with students, the mental institution...the list goes on and on. Does it remind anyone of "Twin Peaks"? Also, is there really a drink called a "Dog Sh** Special"?



Hate to admit it BUT it is all so entertaining!
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#149 Consumer Comment

Darling - Toronto, Ontario New World Order

AUTHOR: David - (U.S.A.)

Wow Darling that was pretty intense. When Juli finds out all that she will be headed to Canada to find a job with your Childrens Aid Society. Then she can hook up with you and both of you can go out a beat down these dirty whores of mothers if you find any of thier kids with a diaper rash. Hell why stop there I say go out and kill them. Rip thier dirty hearts out. Even better lets take no chances and take all the babys as the State is much better equipped to raise them. If the State has an overflow they can send the babies to Joe Watson of Ontario Canada home of horrors. Hmmmm maybe just kill the babies also becuase they will grow up to be adults and even have more babies.

This isnt Canada asswipe and dispite what Juli says people have rights here. Now sit down and shut your pie hole before we annex Ontario. Darling my a*s lmao
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#150 Consumer Comment

Juli and Michelle, WHATEVER!!!!!!!!!!!

AUTHOR: Jim - (U.S.A.)

Juli,



My pet bullfrog you are a obviously a lost cause and therefore I could give a s**t what you have to say anymore. Do what you have to do to make yourself feel good. Oh, I am NOT stalking you you bahamma mamma, I simply asked anyone out there for a picture of you so I may post for referrence. There is nothing you can do about that my sweety. I am not bragging about my state job or two year degree geez. I have been sticking up for Chanell because she doesn't own a computer and has no idea of all the current posts going on here. I guess I won't defend her anymore seeing how it seems to just prolong the crap being displayed. Michelle, you and Juli can talk all the crap you want as I need to move forward with my life and can't rely on you two with rational conversations. Oh, I am not a bragger, or a violent person, but I was raised not to put up with peoples s**t. I don't either, if you have a problem with me, step up or shut up! Chanell has moved at of Tupperville and has a new man with whom she had the baby girl with, and they do have visitation rights with her son. I have seen many improvements with Chanell and I praise her. Everyone makes mistakes and deserves a second chance, I mean it's not like she drowned her 5 children in the bathtub. I apologize for being over dramatic but I get pissed when strangers make false judgements. Any way, for all who read this, I am sorry and will control my anger.
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#151 Consumer Comment

David you need help

AUTHOR: Joe - (Canada)

David don't get your panties in a knot(or your strings). I hope you realize David all the shite you are talking about is just that, shite. That friendly organization mentioned above the Children's Aid Society well they are all of what the Toronto poster said and even more. David I am a Father with sole court ordered custody and I have the backing of the C.A.S.. Blow your smoke in a different dirrection, your alligations have no merrit unless you consider a angry mother's rants and her one family member's cheerleading solid proof of what you say. David our battle has been fought a long time ago and to be honest yopu have been measured and weighed and found wanting(lol). Try making a comment on this topic David, what is a suggestion that you can come up with to keep the children of the reported safe. I hope the only reason you post here is not to bash me, if it is maybe you should leave.LMAO at David from Bullshit city. Michelle you make great points and all are valid. I read jim's responces and I think maybe he warms up to a bottle or three of cheap wine before posting, what are you thinking jim?. If juli does pursue you I support her because you do seem to be extra personal and violent towards her she has a case. To my fellow country-men from Toronto keep posting the way you are, you will only offend people like david and jim(I am using the term people very loose)
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#152 Consumer Comment

Sigh Darling

AUTHOR: Darren - (U.S.A.)

Darling:

Do you feel better? Yes, it is satisfying to vent and imagine all sorts of terrible things to people... but is it effective?



If someone comes to you with anger in their face and stance are you open to listening to anything they have to say? Punishment, shame and anger does not open anyone up to being receptive to your message.



It reminds me of the favorite of America's response to drug addiction, rehabilitation through incarceration. It makes people feel warm and fuzzy from their morally superior stance... but does it really address the issue of addiction?



I am glad to hear that Canada is so assertive. I hope that they are not aggressive with the protection of the children. That can, however, leave people open to all sorts of abuse.



When my ex left it was decided between us that the children would stay with me. My sister-in-law was not happy with this because it wasn't "right" and because she was angry with her sister. In her anger she called the police to say that I was neglecting the children.



I couldn't believe that the officer at my front door was saying that there was a report of child neglect at my home. I told him he had to have the wrong address. No, he checked his book and said that he had the right place. I invited him in and showed him the house. Some clean clothes were folded on the counter, not yet in the kid's dressers.



There was plenty of food in the cupboards, clean dishes in the drainer... everything was fine. I showed him the kid's rooms... and the scariest thing is that as I am showing him my daughter's room was I realized that I hadn't vacuumed her room! Can you imagine a parent thinking that way because of someone's false accusation bringing the police into my house?



I invited him to interview my neighbors and my children's teachers. He apologized and said that it was obviously a false report and he said that he would make sure that I wasn't bothered again.



My ex and I both filed a report against her sister for filing a false police report and I don't know if anything was ever done against her. That was about 10 years ago and we have all moved on.



People can change. Yes. There should be consequences! They should be measured and designed towards guiding and encouraging the change in a person that we as a society want. This can be done through counseling, monitoring, 12-step program participation, peer support, social services and a whole other assortment of tools.



Yes, feeling superior to all others feels good. It puts you on a higher moral ground. However, it is very difficult to create change from way up there. Pontificating.



Unfortunately, a carpenter has a limited assortment of tools and therefore sees all problems as nails and uses a hammer for all problems.



The next time you are tempted to attack a person (which can be an indication of poor coping skills or anger issues) take a second and think about how successfull an attack such as you are about to do would work on yourself?
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#153 Consumer Comment

Sigh Darling

AUTHOR: Darren - (U.S.A.)

Darling:

Do you feel better? Yes, it is satisfying to vent and imagine all sorts of terrible things to people... but is it effective?



If someone comes to you with anger in their face and stance are you open to listening to anything they have to say? Punishment, shame and anger does not open anyone up to being receptive to your message.



It reminds me of the favorite of America's response to drug addiction, rehabilitation through incarceration. It makes people feel warm and fuzzy from their morally superior stance... but does it really address the issue of addiction?



I am glad to hear that Canada is so assertive. I hope that they are not aggressive with the protection of the children. That can, however, leave people open to all sorts of abuse.



When my ex left it was decided between us that the children would stay with me. My sister-in-law was not happy with this because it wasn't "right" and because she was angry with her sister. In her anger she called the police to say that I was neglecting the children.



I couldn't believe that the officer at my front door was saying that there was a report of child neglect at my home. I told him he had to have the wrong address. No, he checked his book and said that he had the right place. I invited him in and showed him the house. Some clean clothes were folded on the counter, not yet in the kid's dressers.



There was plenty of food in the cupboards, clean dishes in the drainer... everything was fine. I showed him the kid's rooms... and the scariest thing is that as I am showing him my daughter's room was I realized that I hadn't vacuumed her room! Can you imagine a parent thinking that way because of someone's false accusation bringing the police into my house?



I invited him to interview my neighbors and my children's teachers. He apologized and said that it was obviously a false report and he said that he would make sure that I wasn't bothered again.



My ex and I both filed a report against her sister for filing a false police report and I don't know if anything was ever done against her. That was about 10 years ago and we have all moved on.



People can change. Yes. There should be consequences! They should be measured and designed towards guiding and encouraging the change in a person that we as a society want. This can be done through counseling, monitoring, 12-step program participation, peer support, social services and a whole other assortment of tools.



Yes, feeling superior to all others feels good. It puts you on a higher moral ground. However, it is very difficult to create change from way up there. Pontificating.



Unfortunately, a carpenter has a limited assortment of tools and therefore sees all problems as nails and uses a hammer for all problems.



The next time you are tempted to attack a person (which can be an indication of poor coping skills or anger issues) take a second and think about how successfull an attack such as you are about to do would work on yourself?
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#154 Consumer Comment

Sigh Darling

AUTHOR: Darren - (U.S.A.)

Darling:

Do you feel better? Yes, it is satisfying to vent and imagine all sorts of terrible things to people... but is it effective?



If someone comes to you with anger in their face and stance are you open to listening to anything they have to say? Punishment, shame and anger does not open anyone up to being receptive to your message.



It reminds me of the favorite of America's response to drug addiction, rehabilitation through incarceration. It makes people feel warm and fuzzy from their morally superior stance... but does it really address the issue of addiction?



I am glad to hear that Canada is so assertive. I hope that they are not aggressive with the protection of the children. That can, however, leave people open to all sorts of abuse.



When my ex left it was decided between us that the children would stay with me. My sister-in-law was not happy with this because it wasn't "right" and because she was angry with her sister. In her anger she called the police to say that I was neglecting the children.



I couldn't believe that the officer at my front door was saying that there was a report of child neglect at my home. I told him he had to have the wrong address. No, he checked his book and said that he had the right place. I invited him in and showed him the house. Some clean clothes were folded on the counter, not yet in the kid's dressers.



There was plenty of food in the cupboards, clean dishes in the drainer... everything was fine. I showed him the kid's rooms... and the scariest thing is that as I am showing him my daughter's room was I realized that I hadn't vacuumed her room! Can you imagine a parent thinking that way because of someone's false accusation bringing the police into my house?



I invited him to interview my neighbors and my children's teachers. He apologized and said that it was obviously a false report and he said that he would make sure that I wasn't bothered again.



My ex and I both filed a report against her sister for filing a false police report and I don't know if anything was ever done against her. That was about 10 years ago and we have all moved on.



People can change. Yes. There should be consequences! They should be measured and designed towards guiding and encouraging the change in a person that we as a society want. This can be done through counseling, monitoring, 12-step program participation, peer support, social services and a whole other assortment of tools.



Yes, feeling superior to all others feels good. It puts you on a higher moral ground. However, it is very difficult to create change from way up there. Pontificating.



Unfortunately, a carpenter has a limited assortment of tools and therefore sees all problems as nails and uses a hammer for all problems.



The next time you are tempted to attack a person (which can be an indication of poor coping skills or anger issues) take a second and think about how successfull an attack such as you are about to do would work on yourself?
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#155 Consumer Comment

Sigh Darling

AUTHOR: Darren - (U.S.A.)

Darling:

Do you feel better? Yes, it is satisfying to vent and imagine all sorts of terrible things to people... but is it effective?



If someone comes to you with anger in their face and stance are you open to listening to anything they have to say? Punishment, shame and anger does not open anyone up to being receptive to your message.



It reminds me of the favorite of America's response to drug addiction, rehabilitation through incarceration. It makes people feel warm and fuzzy from their morally superior stance... but does it really address the issue of addiction?



I am glad to hear that Canada is so assertive. I hope that they are not aggressive with the protection of the children. That can, however, leave people open to all sorts of abuse.



When my ex left it was decided between us that the children would stay with me. My sister-in-law was not happy with this because it wasn't "right" and because she was angry with her sister. In her anger she called the police to say that I was neglecting the children.



I couldn't believe that the officer at my front door was saying that there was a report of child neglect at my home. I told him he had to have the wrong address. No, he checked his book and said that he had the right place. I invited him in and showed him the house. Some clean clothes were folded on the counter, not yet in the kid's dressers.



There was plenty of food in the cupboards, clean dishes in the drainer... everything was fine. I showed him the kid's rooms... and the scariest thing is that as I am showing him my daughter's room was I realized that I hadn't vacuumed her room! Can you imagine a parent thinking that way because of someone's false accusation bringing the police into my house?



I invited him to interview my neighbors and my children's teachers. He apologized and said that it was obviously a false report and he said that he would make sure that I wasn't bothered again.



My ex and I both filed a report against her sister for filing a false police report and I don't know if anything was ever done against her. That was about 10 years ago and we have all moved on.



People can change. Yes. There should be consequences! They should be measured and designed towards guiding and encouraging the change in a person that we as a society want. This can be done through counseling, monitoring, 12-step program participation, peer support, social services and a whole other assortment of tools.



Yes, feeling superior to all others feels good. It puts you on a higher moral ground. However, it is very difficult to create change from way up there. Pontificating.



Unfortunately, a carpenter has a limited assortment of tools and therefore sees all problems as nails and uses a hammer for all problems.



The next time you are tempted to attack a person (which can be an indication of poor coping skills or anger issues) take a second and think about how successfull an attack such as you are about to do would work on yourself?
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#156 Consumer Suggestion

Are you people for real...?

AUTHOR: Darling - (Canada)

Seriously.



I came across this site, and I canot believe the s**t I am reading. I am wondering, has this Chanell ever been evauated by a psychiatrist? Does she even have the mentality one needs to even be left alone with a child, never mind have her own? Everyone has something to say, but seriously, is it possible she is borderline mentally retarded? She certainly seems that way, if she's not....then she needs her a*s kicked. To throw your child into a snow bank? Ooooh, I'd hunt that dirty b*tch down and beat on her, as barbaric as it is. How is it that if you have done that to a child, that you are ever alowed to have another child in your care? Here in Canada, if you abuse your child, and it is taken from you, any and all children you have are removed from your care AT BIRTH. Only after you follow strict orders on what you must do to get your child back, will you be eligible...and even then, it's not a guarentee. The child protactive angency here, The Childrens Aid Society" in on you like flies on s**t if they get a call. They watch you like a hawk. Not only that, but they will talk to your friends, family, neighbors, school staff and doctor. One hint of neglect or abuse...and your kids are gone. Here in Canada, when it comes to children, we don't play games. Which is why I don't understand, with all these accusations, why this pig is allowed to ever have a child. If you guys know all this, why haven't you reported her??? Seems to me that if you spent half as much effort on getting her baby out of her care, then you do bashing Chanell....the baby wouldn't be suffering. None you you who live in this town, or know Chanell have any right to put her down, without taking a good long look at yourselves for letting this happen. Chanell clearly has no mothering skills, nor any brains, yet you guys claim you're aware of this...and what have YOU done for her children? Have you called the authorities on her? Have you confronted her? Have you done anything??? Apparently not. If I knew this was going on....you can bet your a*s nothing would stop me from protecting that child. NOTHING.



As for the rest of you, posting garbage...educate yourselves you bunch of trailor trash, illiterate, retards.
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#157 Consumer Comment

"Jim-Bob" Gomer...Side-show freaks should be SEEN and NOT heard!!

AUTHOR: Michelle - (U.S.A.)

Dave: Thank you for the acknowledgment of agreeing to disagree on some of my points, and for the kudos on those you do agree with. I don't have any qualms with you either, and as I've stated before, I have rather enjoyed and been quite entertained by some of your posts in the past. Keep 'em comin' !



Joe: STILL patting you on the back. And you're fitting in JUST fine (roflmao).



"Jim-Bob", "Opie", "Gomer"...WHAT am I going to do with you? You are REALLY proving that the "Morning After" birth control pill is a great option for those of you misfits that didn't make it to the Kleenex or condom!



Yes, you have made your point that this incident happened a while ago. And I'm glad to hear that Chanell and her daughter are doing well...that is all that ANY of us here hoped and prayed for.



I know that a few of us here, myself included, have come down hard on Chanell for her past-transgressions, but can you blame us? When people, such as her "friends", are putting all of her business out on Front Street for all of the world to read, would you want her to come on the site and have used that moment to rebut what's been said, or would you rather she have resorted to bad-mouthing another person? Well, as we ALL know, she chose the latter, so that almost made her "free game" for our opinions.



She gave NO clarification of positive steps that she's taken since the incident, no personal updates on how the children are doing...NOTHING. And I KNOW that she doesn't owe any of us that explanation, as God is our ONLY judge. But then the question remains, WHY come on the site AT ALL, only to write nonsense about some other crack 'h*o in town? Why not use the webspace constructively?



And just an f.y.i. "Jethro", contrary to belief, many of us weren't sitting at home, brushing a FULL set of teeth in our INDOOR bathrooms, wondering how "the others" were living, only to find ourselves racing to the computer to do a "google" search on tupper lake poster children. As I'm sure that most can attest to, we ended up on this site honestly by doing searches about shady businesses. And no matter WHO you are, when you happen to come across a story about children being abuse, no matter if the story is three days old or three years old, a concerned person is going to have SOMETHING to say.



What YOU fail to understand is, when you, "Opie", come across in the aggressive and attacking manner that you have in response to several of the innocent inquiries about and positive suggestions for Chanell and the children's welfare, you MUST expect to be attacked in return. And as Juli has stated above, your continuous remarks about threatened physical violence from you and/or Chanell against myself, Juli, Joe and ANYONE ELSE in this room are ABSOLUTELY uncalled for.



However, let me school you for a moment... where I'M from, (which by the way, IS in New York...scroll back up and read), EVERYONE knows that you should NEVER sell wolf tickets that your a** can't cash! And "If you don't start none, there won't be none. If you THINK that you're feelin' froggish and frisky, I've got a six-pack full of cans of whoop-a** waiting for you". NOW what?



Now, I have read your comments alluding to l*****n sex romps between Juli and me, strap-on devices, and everything else that your limited imagination could muster up, but I'm chosing to take the high-road this time, and NOT refer to your boyish, pre-pubescent, female-domineering fetishes or fantasies. Reason being, because I REALLY do feel as if I am dealing with a psychological condition that is a little deeper-rooted than JUST the on-going conversation about Chanell.



If you ask me, you sound as if you suffer from delusions of grandeur (the relentless bragging about the BIG job at Sunmount w/the A.A.S. degree), a "small man's complex" (references to your supposedly well-endowed manhood), and detachment withdrawl from your mother, with the smell of breast-milk STILL on your breath (the constant degredation of women in your posts, and your vulgar sexual comments).



So, I will end this by takink my flyswatter and smacking you to the table, like the little pestering gnat you are. I also bid you and Chanell well (and good luck on those Valtrex herpes treatments...I heard that it can be a REAL b*tch !). And the next time that you choose to respond, update us with something tangible and informative...use that "reasoning" section of the brain that is supposed to separate you from wildlife primates.



Here, let me help you get going on your assignment. Why don't you respond by answering the following questions: Is she in anger management/parenting classes? Is she attending school/working? Does she have shared custody of her little boy? And if so, is it supervised? Does she have any plans to move out of that town? Is she still bar-fighting and 'h*o-hopping?



Now, the ball's in YOUR court. In answering these questions, should you respond in a decent manner, then "Jim", it will only go to show that I have been wrong in the past about your dysfunctional genetic make-up and lack of intellectual prowess.



Prove me wrong...PLEASE!
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#158 Consumer Comment

Yes Joe Watson we know what your TRUE intentions are

AUTHOR: David - (U.S.A.)

Yes you do fit in quite nicely here Joe. After all this is a abuse topic and your all about abuse as CONFIRMED by people who actully know you in real life as reported in other reports. So who are you trying to kid? I had actully bought into your bs before I seen the your postings here and reports of your tantrums in public places in Hamilton. Yeah "whatever" is not going to erase what you really are Joe Watson. Have a nice day! (big grin)
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#159 Consumer Suggestion

Jim..so you are admitting to cyber stalking me then?

AUTHOR: Juli - (U.S.A.)

Well, I have taken a screen shot of your last post as I feel you are threatening me and Michelle as well. Not that you scare me, mind you. You don't. And really, you could NEVER afford to front the money needed to obtain one of MY pics. EVER. In fact, from what hear, you are so broke half the time, you don't even have 2 pennies to rub together to make the Lincolns cry.



But you have admitted to TARGETING me..and tho I don't know who Michelle is, or how she intends to handle your recent cyber stalking venture...govern yourself accordingly, because Jimbo, I DO NOT tolerate scum like you threatening me and you DON'T intimidate me. If anything you annoy me like a mosquito that just won't fly out the daggum window no matter how many times you shoo it away!



You may be able to bully Tupper lake chics..but you WON'T intimidate ME..EVER!



Maricon! Mahu! In any language you are STILL the SAME..a whimp just trying to overcompensate by being a big OKOLE (pronounced Oh-ko-leh..and means "a*s" in Hawaiian).



I have no time for your games Jimbo...you bore me with your immature rantings.



The others with intelligence ...I will keep communicating with...



Good riddance Jimbo...your toaster has JUST been UNPLUGGED!
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#160 Consumer Comment

What a mess, Chanell, if you are still reading, please get help

AUTHOR: Amy - (U.S.A.)

I've just read the entire "Tupper Lake Saga" and wanted to make a couple of comments (for what it's worth):



Most of us here would probably agree on a few basic things- abuse of a child or adult is wrong, putting a baby in a snow bank is child abuse, calling a child a b&*ch or using f&ck at her is verbal/mental abuse, attacking anyone with your fists is physical abuse or assault. That being said, a few folks here seem to have lost the point of this thread.



Jim- What Chanell did to her son, and apparently is doing to her daughter, is wrong and illegal by American personal and court standards. It doesn't matter if she has an excuse, feels bad about it, or is actually a terrific person who is very kind to adults. It's wrong and you can't excuse it by saying "But..." I have read all of your posts, and you seem very angry at the idea that others would see you as stupid, undereducated, trash, in-bred,etc. Can't you see that when you respond to posts with sexual innuendos, threats to meet people (or have Chanell meet people) and beat them up, personal insults, and claims that you are intelligent because you have a 2 year degree and a state job, you make yourself look like everything you say you are not. If you are really trying to defend Chanell, tell us all the things she is doing to become a good mother. Otherwise, to people like me (a selling novelist and literary Doctoral candidate who also happens to have a nursing degree) who know nothing at all about you or your town, you come off as a small town buffoon who believes his Associates degree and low-paying government job are somehow impressive. I"m not saying you haven't done well, mind you- I don't know you. But I certainly can't see what you have to brag about.



Chanell, if you are still reading, please get help. I have no problems with your lifestyle, drug use, or "sleeping" habits. My only problem is that you do not do well with children. Be selfish- think long and hard about what YOU really want in order to be happy. Don't worry about anyone else. If that happiness does not involve being a GOOD mother, a really good mother, then ignore any crap people give you and give up the kids for good. Enjoy your life and do your thing; let someone else, someone who wants the bother, handle the kids forever. No matter how you were raised, you can't raise babies with foul language and abuse. Even if you are really trying to do well, doing pretty good is not good enough with kids. If you can't do it be honest with yourself and do the right thing, the thing that shows you love your kids even if you can't care for them- give them up permenently. I'm not judging you- I was raised in an abusive home and I know how hard it is to stop the cycle. If you need help, or someone to talk to, email me off list- maybe I can give you some ideas on dealing with your little girl. Please, find someone to talk to.



Juli- as a nurse I deal with APS, CPS, and various other Ohio protective agencies on an all most daily basis. Thank you for all of your comments here- to the best of my knowledge everything you have said is true and correct and it's a shame that the people who need the information the most are not listening.



All that being said- what is being done right now to help the little girl in question? For any of you who say you are actually involved with the situation, I would be interested to know what any of you are doing to help? Is anyone trying to teach Chanell a better way?
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#161 Consumer Comment

Juli and Michelle, are you the two girls from "Wild Things"

AUTHOR: Jim - (U.S.A.)

Michelle and Juli,



I am glad to see two females bonding in such a way that you can admit to your sex preferences with all of us out here. Hey, hows about you two come up here to New York so I can show you what yankees are made up of. Boy, I bet an evening with you two gals would be fun. Geez, anyway you two gals need to let Chanell live her life, d**n, this all happend so long ago and you keep dredgeing it up. I will say it once more for the people that have ignored me. The s****..
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#162 Consumer Comment

Re; Decent people

AUTHOR: Joe - (Canada)

Jeff I don't recall saying anything about you, so feel how you may I cannot change that. David whatever. Looks like some good posting here, Do they have a supervised visitation center in tupper land?. Here if one parent's skills are lacking the courts order supervised visitation like in my case with my ex. I hope all visitation between the tupperwhore(lol) and her son are this way. Nancy I have never tried to come off as the brightest apple on the tree because I know I'm not but I believe my intentions are true and of good nature. Just trying to fit in all(lol).
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#163 Consumer Comment

Still LMAO@Joe Watson from Hamilton Canada

AUTHOR: David - (U.S.A.)

Darn it Joe you just cant get it right can you? Lmao at you Joe. Jeebas man I'm actullay starting to feel sorry for you. I dont think anyones wants you on thier side lol knowing what you are. As far as me bashing Michele I see no reason to at this time. She has some valid points some I agree with some I dont. The difference is the way she presents her opinions. Maybe you could learn something from her but I doubt it. Besides Jim and her are already having a stimulating conversation, they dont need me to add to it. Nancy you asked Juli some good questions and I hope she answers them. I see that she had to post the same crap twice. Im wondering if she a little insecure on her position or what? Bad enough we have to read it once let alone twice. I know personally I would hate to be the child of Juli. Lets hope she's tied off.

Darren you have some good comments. I agree let them without sin cast the first stones.
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#164 Consumer Comment

Listen up! Enough is enough, leave Chanell and HER children alone.

AUTHOR: Jim - (U.S.A.)

People,



None of this is any business of yours. Yes, this is a public forum and people have the rights to talk among each other but why bash Chanell as her children are fine now and the incident in question happend quite some time ago. Michelle as for you bashing me my pet gator, get over the fact that you lost the d**n civil war. I would give anything to see what you and Juli look like, d**n, I will pay big bucks for anyone who can supply me a pic of this Juli and Michelle from Florida. Anyone interested in making some $$$ for their pics just let the "EDitor@ripoffreport" and he will pass the message on to me. Michelle and Juli, I will have fun with you two as money is not an object when I target someone. You are both bread in the toaster. Now I am just waiting for you to pop up. Oh, Michelle do you use the strap on or is that Juli? The enquirer is doing a story on LezBFriends.
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AUTHOR: Juli - (U.S.A.)

Well..interesting info you posted. And you are correct, if the kids you are speaking of are actually NOT in any danger of abuse or neglect, but need help communicating with their parents..then you are right, in some respect, that the agency I work for would not be able to help that demographic.



HOWEVER, we recently added a diversion program which allows for services to be offered to families who are AT RISK of having "the state" become involved and removing their children.



Its voluntary and its a prevention program, hence the name Diversion. We are hoping it will keep families in tact, while learning healthier ways to function as a family unit.



To answer your question, we are non-profit. I was not aware that Privatized Community Based Care programs were even PERMITTED to BE FOR profit...it seems a violation of contract guidelines. But I am not a contract admin. so I am not so sure on that area...



Regarding Jim's "information and updates" on Chanelle's current state...sorry but he just has ZERO credibility with me and many others on here. Any man who continually BEGS for a physical hashing out to solve issues, along with his blatant display of ingorance and unjustifiable arrogance is NOT the best person to do a child safety assessment. Sorry, but I think HIS perspective may be biased, even twisted.



You have a point, tho, that there have not been any substantiation to the allegations about Chanelle currently abusing her daughter...verbally and/or otherwise. Unfortunatley, it is most likely because people who know of such things occurring just don't care enough to get involved.



Perhaps, as I have said myriad times before, if the person who has first hand knowledge of Channelle doing these things to the child currently in her custody would be HUMAN enough to report it, then the little girl might have a chance at a better childhood. If not, she will grow up neglected, and emotionally abused, and most likely suffering from some variant of attachment disorder. Who in their RIGHT mind could ever allow a child to be subject to that type of a future when there IS A WAY to help NOW?



I guess I will never understand people who chose to remain apathetic to child abuse issues.



It just sickens me.



Whatever you are doing with the teens you speak with online...just make sure you don't lead anyone to think you are a COUNSELOR ..or try to act as one...to do so without proper training and education, and in some states, LICENSURE..can be detrimental to both you and those you advise.



And if you are acting in a guidance type role, which is what I gather from what you have stated..I trust that you have educated yourself on child/adolescent devlopment as well as parenting skills.



If YOU had a good childhood free of abuse, chances are then, you had good role models as parents and will not pass on any bad advise to the teens you deal with on line.



Child abuse is a cylce...

A cylce which is fueled by ignorance...

EDUCATION is the ONLY way to break it.



Aloha all...
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AUTHOR: Jeff - (U.S.A.)

Joe, I did not know I was in a class of people. Perhaps you should read before making comments. I come back here to read this posting just to see what is happening. After seeing your comment, I am offended that you assume you know me or can even place me in a class. Maybe you should offer some advice instead of taking sides and maybe people wont have anything to say about you.
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#167 Consumer Comment

I went beyond just doing rebuttals here and talked to people who know her.

AUTHOR: Nancy - (U.S.A.)

Darren, I think Joe missed the meaning of your post. He is a little slow at times and you may need to word things a little more simple for him, so he can understand you were giving David a compliment, not an insult.



Juli, I did not say the kids I deal with weren't supervised. I said their parents buy them a computer, just as some parents in my day let the TV be a babysitter. The kids aren't supervised online, due to the fact a lot of the parents aren't computer literate. They just see their kids happy online, but have no idea the parts of the net they are going to. Once they find my network, then I work with them and show them that hacking is wrong (the ones that have gotten into that, not all do). I've also become friends with the majority of their parents.



The point you missed, or overlooked, was that an organization such as yours, can't help these kids, no matter how much you want to, because you aren't set up to do that. They aren't abused, nor do they want for anything. They aren't home alone and none of them are under 12 years old. They are simply teens who are going thru the natural process of rebelling. We all did it at that age to some extent. Online, they have no idea how old I am and by the time they do find out, we have already made friends. They then realize that all adults aren't people to avoid or not listen to. It just takes the time to get to know them and talk to them in their language. As you know, a lot of parents these days spend a lot of time talking at their kids, but not talking to them. I basically become the 'middleman' and in time, they see their parents are trying to help them and when they approach them in another way, then they learn to get along and communicate better.



BTW, do you work for a non-profit or for-profit agency? One of my kids works for a company that works with CFS in Florida and he told me that Gov. Bush is phasing out the for-profit private agencies. They just aren't working out, but the non-profits are doing pretty good.



Heh, in fact since that last rebuttal I did to you, 3 of my kids who've gone on to college have stopped in IRC to see me. Just good timing I'm sure, but I did get a kick out of it and figure you will too. :)



As far as you being concerned about Channell's new baby daughter, don't be. I went beyond just doing rebuttals here and talked to people who know her. She IS doing good these days and the baby is just fine. That has been stated many times thruout this entire report, but it seems a lot of people can't let it drop. Just cause one person decided to say crap about her and keep this all going, doesn't make it true. Jim knows her personally and has stated many times that all is fine. Just because you are having fun fighting with him in here, doesn't negate the fact that he's stated many times that Channell and her baby are doing good these days.



If you care to know more about my opinions on the system and why I don't trust them totally, check out what I have said in the adoption agency reports. I won't put it in this report, since it wouldn't be on topic.
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#168 Consumer Comment

The Tupper Lake HillBilly Rises Again!

AUTHOR: Michelle - (U.S.A.)

Darren: I agree with you 100% that the same resourses and assistance afforded single mothers SHOULD be provided for the fathers as well. Let's all pray that this will happen on a global level VERY soon, through encouragement and persistance from people like you.



Joe: Thank you very much for recognizing the efforts of people on this site like myself, Juli, Darren, and several others here, for our continued efforts to bring information to this otherwise inferior group of small-minded idiots (with "Jim" acting as their leader)!



And by the way, congratulations on winning sole custody of your daughter. People seem to think that by making or receiving a sperm deposit, that this fact ALONE makes you a father/mother/parent. YOU, my friend, have proven them wrong, once again.



And I MUST tell you how refreshing it is to see a father stepping up to the plate like yourself, Darren, and Chanell's son's father have. It takes a REAL MAN to do that, without hesitation or remorse. ESPECIALLY in these times where equality on issues such as this, remain lopsided in our laws and legislative government branches.



You and Juli have really shown great concern for BOTH of her children, and have contributed valid and insightful points here, only to be subjected to misdirected insults. It's a REAL shame that the focus on her daughter continues to be ignored and misplaced, by adolescent blurbs and babbles from "Jim", while he still harps on comments made about her son's welfare further back in this report.



"Jim", Jethro, Gomer, Opie...or whichever country, backward, knee-slapping, tobacco-chewing, swamp-water-bathing-then-drinking alter-ego is reading this post right now: To remark on your comment about Juli recruiting a "friend" to help her convince you of your need to intercede in this "Chanell" soap opera, that could not be farthest from the truth.



The TRUTH is that everytime you receive an intelligent rebuttal to one of your nonsensical posts (F.Y.I. "Jim-Bob", THAT big word means "destitute of sense"; "absurd and foolish", in case your library card has expired.) here, offering suggestions on how to HELP Chanell and her DAUGHTER, you seem to come back full force... displaying for ALL of the world to see, your brain activity meter flashing bright red letters..."STUCK ON STUPID"!



If you would pull your head out of your dog's a** long enough to actually READ the posts here, you would see that we no longer stress the point of saving Chanell's son, because WE know how to read, and have established that he is living with his father now, is no longer 3 weeks old and doing much better. So STOP beating a dead horse with those comments. Offer something constructive, or don't say anything at all. ("It is better to keep your mouth shut and appear stupid than to open it and remove all doubt". --Samuel Clemens)



We are NOW, and HAVE BEEN, questioning the inability of an already-deemed unfit mother by the courts, to continue raising another child in her present immature and irresponsible state. If she is continuing to frequent bars (meaning she is NOT home taking care of her child), engage in felonios behavior (i.e. drug abuse, the spreading of venereal diseases, assault and battery -- putting her daughter at risk for a future in the foster care system...which at THIS point, almost sounds like a good idea), and curse her daughter out as if she is a stranger on the street, then she CLEARLY needs to be wearing prisons stripes with a number replacing her name tag!



You know "Jim-Bob", if I had so proudly come on a public forum, such as this site, to proclaim my undying loyalty to MY herpes-ridden "ex" who was abusing HIS children, I'd at least pretend to be a better friend to HIM, than YOU have to Chanell.



Get her a vacant bed next to YOURS at Sunmount... at least THEN you could offer her the same three square meals, counseling, and bath that YOU get there. Not to mention the fact that you'd then have someone on the premises to talk to that is on your same level mentally...which isn't TOO promising of a conversation, I might add.



I find that you bore me, Opie...beyond belief. So, as I tug on my fake red wig and adjust my glasses, I have but only ONE last thing to say to you...



Jethro, you ARE the weakest link...GOOD-BYE!
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Jimbo, can't you READ?

AUTHOR: Juli - (U.S.A.)

Listen, this will be short because your brain cannot obviously retain all of what you try to read at one time, Jimbo.



What part of READ THE OTHER POSTS ABOUT CHANELLE NOW ABUSING HER 7 MONTH OLD DAUGHTER don't you understand?



YES, I am aware that her son is older now...and with his father. HOWEVER, there have been posts in here that specificaly refer to Chanelle abusing her new baby ...who is now 7 months old or so.



VERBAL abuse is ABUSE ...period. And NO ONE should call a child a bi**h!!! If YOU think that is ok...or you continue to chose and ignore THIS POINT I AM TRYING TO GET THRU YOUR THICK SKULL...than you Jimbo are JUST as ignorant as you present your self to be.



Additionally, if you chose to minimize that type of abuse ...YOU are just as bad as the child abuser herself...STOP CONDONING her behavior! Get her some help...better yet...get yourself some help..educate yourself on Positive Parenting techniques, child development and attachment theories. You may even want some counseling there Jimbo, as you speak as tho you have SERIOUS ISSUES.



Thanks to the REST of you on here who HAVE functioning a cerebral cortex and can comprehend the TRUE function and meaning of this thread!



Jimbo is obviously a power tripping, egomaniac with low self esteem who seeks to inflate it by trying to cut others down. Won't work here Jimbo. You are a drama junkie, and you LIKE people to feed into your crap. I started to.



At this point, the ONLY reason I reply to anything you may say is if you are WRONG and need to be called on it.



And your incessant requests for physical fights to end disputes speaks VOLUMES about your true character..you are an immature, ignortant, and violent person. Get help Jimbo. And PLEASE DON'T EVER SPAWN ...your children would only end up more screwed up than you are!



In Jimbo's case, CONDOMS are the BEST prevention of Child Abuse.



OK I think that I may have exceeded your brain's word capacity for comprehension at this point so I am going to end this.
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Jimbo, can't you READ? What part of READ THE OTHER POSTS ABOUT CHANELLE NOW ABUSING HER 7 MONTH OLD DAUGHTER don't you understand?

AUTHOR: Juli - (U.S.A.)

Listen, this will be short because your brain cannot obviously retain all of what you try to read at one time, Jimbo.



What part of READ THE OTHER POSTS ABOUT CHANELLE NOW ABUSING HER 7 MONTH OLD DAUGHTER don't you understand?



YES, I am aware that her son is older now...and with his father. HOWEVER, there have been posts in here that specificaly refer to Chanelle abusing her new baby ...who is now 7 months old or so.



VERBAL abuse is ABUSE ...period. And NO ONE should call a child a bi**h!!! If YOU think that is ok...or you continue to chose and ignore THIS POINT I AM TRYING TO GET THRU YOUR THICK SKULL...than you Jimbo are JUST as ignorant as you present your self to be.



Additionally, if you chose to minimize that type of abuse ...YOU are just as bad as the child abuser herself...STOP CONDONING her behavior! Get her some help...better yet...get yourself some help..educate yourself on Positive Parenting techniques, child development and attachment theories. You may even want some counseling there Jimbo, as you speak as tho you have SERIOUS ISSUES.



Thanks to the REST of you on here who HAVE functioning a cerebral cortex and can comprehend the TRUE function and meaning of this thread!



Jimbo is obviously a power tripping, egomaniac with low self esteem who seeks to inflate it by trying to cut others down. Won't work here Jimbo. You are a drama junkie, and you LIKE people to feed into your crap. I started to.



At this point, the ONLY reason I reply to anything you may say is if you are WRONG and need to be called on it.



And your incessant requests for physical fights to end disputes speaks VOLUMES about your true character..you are an immature, ignortant, and violent person. Get help Jimbo. And PLEASE DON'T EVER SPAWN ...your children would only end up more screwed up than you are!



In Jimbo's case, CONDOMS are the BEST prevention of Child Abuse.



OK I think that I may have exceeded your brain's word capacity for comprehension at this point so I am going to end this.
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#171 Consumer Comment

side-show jim ..look out for your little ones, they are the future of your kind

AUTHOR: Joe - (Canada)

Hey Jim does she see the child, and if she does have some kind of visitation is it suppervised, Jim abuse leaves scares, this kid will find out that it was thrown into a snow bank and screamed at, called horrible names and god knows whatever else this sick woman (I prefer crack w***e) did to it. Hey Jim I am pleased to see that good people are posting here now, not just David from bullshit city and you. Now the Puppet Master and his jester have to face the music, your points (the both of you) have been wrong on so-many levels. Hey Puppet Master why not slam the Vet who posted in here, show your true colours(Canadian spelling). God bless all and please tuppers look out for your little ones, they are the future of your kind, maybe they can change the way tupper lake is regarded worldwide now.
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side-show jim ..look out for your little ones, they are the future of your kind

AUTHOR: Joe - (Canada)

Hey Jim does she see the child, and if she does have some kind of visitation is it suppervised, Jim abuse leaves scares, this kid will find out that it was thrown into a snow bank and screamed at, called horrible names and god knows whatever else this sick woman (I prefer crack w***e) did to it. Hey Jim I am pleased to see that good people are posting here now, not just David from bullshit city and you. Now the Puppet Master and his jester have to face the music, your points (the both of you) have been wrong on so-many levels. Hey Puppet Master why not slam the Vet who posted in here, show your true colours(Canadian spelling). God bless all and please tuppers look out for your little ones, they are the future of your kind, maybe they can change the way tupper lake is regarded worldwide now.
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side-show jim ..look out for your little ones, they are the future of your kind

AUTHOR: Joe - (Canada)

Hey Jim does she see the child, and if she does have some kind of visitation is it suppervised, Jim abuse leaves scares, this kid will find out that it was thrown into a snow bank and screamed at, called horrible names and god knows whatever else this sick woman (I prefer crack w***e) did to it. Hey Jim I am pleased to see that good people are posting here now, not just David from bullshit city and you. Now the Puppet Master and his jester have to face the music, your points (the both of you) have been wrong on so-many levels. Hey Puppet Master why not slam the Vet who posted in here, show your true colours(Canadian spelling). God bless all and please tuppers look out for your little ones, they are the future of your kind, maybe they can change the way tupper lake is regarded worldwide now.
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side-show jim ..look out for your little ones, they are the future of your kind

AUTHOR: Joe - (Canada)

Hey Jim does she see the child, and if she does have some kind of visitation is it suppervised, Jim abuse leaves scares, this kid will find out that it was thrown into a snow bank and screamed at, called horrible names and god knows whatever else this sick woman (I prefer crack w***e) did to it. Hey Jim I am pleased to see that good people are posting here now, not just David from bullshit city and you. Now the Puppet Master and his jester have to face the music, your points (the both of you) have been wrong on so-many levels. Hey Puppet Master why not slam the Vet who posted in here, show your true colours(Canadian spelling). God bless all and please tuppers look out for your little ones, they are the future of your kind, maybe they can change the way tupper lake is regarded worldwide now.
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My prayers are with Chanell

AUTHOR: Darren - (U.S.A.)

Thanks



Hi All:

Joe, thanks for the kind words. One of my favorite professors would be proud. She has tried for a long time for me to use tact and honey instead of bluntness and vinager.



My prayers are with Chanell, the child and the father. With 19 years of sobriety, I know that a person can change! In myself and others I have seen truly incredible changes. I was not a father that I am proud of with my first marriage. However, becuase of sobriety and making amends through the way I live my life today I believe I am a very good parent. I believe that Chanell has that same opportunity!



Truthfully, what works better? Rewarding and encouraging good behavior or shaming someone's bad behavior? One gives a good feeling and an intrinsic desire to get more warm and fuzzies... the other causes pain, shame and rebellion.



If you want to know the source of rage, it isn't anger... do deeper and it is shame. That is why the worst abuse doesn't leave visible scars. That can ONLY be healed through love.



Politically, I have to agree with Jim. Society today is geared towards survival of the fittest and pulling one up by its boot straps. As above, this doesn't work... and it has nothing to do with the "Family Values" or the "Christian Values" as I understand the message of Christ to be.



When I say society needs to provide help... fathers (or more specifically, non-custodial parents) need to be seen as something more than a child support check. They need to be seen as a parent of that child also. I can hear all the people right now getting upset about their ex's and what a jerk he/she is. Deadbeat! Scum! Tramp! Loser!



I too when through all those pains when I became a single parent. Unable to sleep because of the images of infidelity, anger and being wronged, pain and lonliness. How could this person do this to me and the children?



Today, 10 years later, people ask how I can have such a loving and close relationship with my ex I tell them that it is harder than they want to do. They tell me that they would do anything to feel the same way. When I tell them that they have to pray for that other person... that the person gets everything that they want... happiness, love, success... whatever. Of course, they can't do that. I couldn't either at first, but I found that it was the only way I could sleep. Over the years I grew, she grew, and out children grew.



Society needs to see the father as the natural parent that should be involved in the raising of his child. Arbitrary laws and punishments push the non-custodial parents away instead of supporting their attempts to remain a part of the children's lives.



All of you that want to think bad of Chanell (and I AM NOT condoning her action of before) I would ask that you sit back for a moment and think of your actions years ago and ask yourself if you want to be judged by them only? Or, have you grown, matured, changed?



Okay... enough of my soapbox and blowing my own horn. A person that has to say he has humility doesn't really, huh? It is through sharing my experience and growth I hope to show others that there is opportunity for growth and happiness.
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My prayers are with Chanell

AUTHOR: Darren - (U.S.A.)

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Hi All:

Joe, thanks for the kind words. One of my favorite professors would be proud. She has tried for a long time for me to use tact and honey instead of bluntness and vinager.



My prayers are with Chanell, the child and the father. With 19 years of sobriety, I know that a person can change! In myself and others I have seen truly incredible changes. I was not a father that I am proud of with my first marriage. However, becuase of sobriety and making amends through the way I live my life today I believe I am a very good parent. I believe that Chanell has that same opportunity!



Truthfully, what works better? Rewarding and encouraging good behavior or shaming someone's bad behavior? One gives a good feeling and an intrinsic desire to get more warm and fuzzies... the other causes pain, shame and rebellion.



If you want to know the source of rage, it isn't anger... do deeper and it is shame. That is why the worst abuse doesn't leave visible scars. That can ONLY be healed through love.



Politically, I have to agree with Jim. Society today is geared towards survival of the fittest and pulling one up by its boot straps. As above, this doesn't work... and it has nothing to do with the "Family Values" or the "Christian Values" as I understand the message of Christ to be.



When I say society needs to provide help... fathers (or more specifically, non-custodial parents) need to be seen as something more than a child support check. They need to be seen as a parent of that child also. I can hear all the people right now getting upset about their ex's and what a jerk he/she is. Deadbeat! Scum! Tramp! Loser!



I too when through all those pains when I became a single parent. Unable to sleep because of the images of infidelity, anger and being wronged, pain and lonliness. How could this person do this to me and the children?



Today, 10 years later, people ask how I can have such a loving and close relationship with my ex I tell them that it is harder than they want to do. They tell me that they would do anything to feel the same way. When I tell them that they have to pray for that other person... that the person gets everything that they want... happiness, love, success... whatever. Of course, they can't do that. I couldn't either at first, but I found that it was the only way I could sleep. Over the years I grew, she grew, and out children grew.



Society needs to see the father as the natural parent that should be involved in the raising of his child. Arbitrary laws and punishments push the non-custodial parents away instead of supporting their attempts to remain a part of the children's lives.



All of you that want to think bad of Chanell (and I AM NOT condoning her action of before) I would ask that you sit back for a moment and think of your actions years ago and ask yourself if you want to be judged by them only? Or, have you grown, matured, changed?



Okay... enough of my soapbox and blowing my own horn. A person that has to say he has humility doesn't really, huh? It is through sharing my experience and growth I hope to show others that there is opportunity for growth and happiness.
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My prayers are with Chanell

AUTHOR: Darren - (U.S.A.)

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Hi All:

Joe, thanks for the kind words. One of my favorite professors would be proud. She has tried for a long time for me to use tact and honey instead of bluntness and vinager.



My prayers are with Chanell, the child and the father. With 19 years of sobriety, I know that a person can change! In myself and others I have seen truly incredible changes. I was not a father that I am proud of with my first marriage. However, becuase of sobriety and making amends through the way I live my life today I believe I am a very good parent. I believe that Chanell has that same opportunity!



Truthfully, what works better? Rewarding and encouraging good behavior or shaming someone's bad behavior? One gives a good feeling and an intrinsic desire to get more warm and fuzzies... the other causes pain, shame and rebellion.



If you want to know the source of rage, it isn't anger... do deeper and it is shame. That is why the worst abuse doesn't leave visible scars. That can ONLY be healed through love.



Politically, I have to agree with Jim. Society today is geared towards survival of the fittest and pulling one up by its boot straps. As above, this doesn't work... and it has nothing to do with the "Family Values" or the "Christian Values" as I understand the message of Christ to be.



When I say society needs to provide help... fathers (or more specifically, non-custodial parents) need to be seen as something more than a child support check. They need to be seen as a parent of that child also. I can hear all the people right now getting upset about their ex's and what a jerk he/she is. Deadbeat! Scum! Tramp! Loser!



I too when through all those pains when I became a single parent. Unable to sleep because of the images of infidelity, anger and being wronged, pain and lonliness. How could this person do this to me and the children?



Today, 10 years later, people ask how I can have such a loving and close relationship with my ex I tell them that it is harder than they want to do. They tell me that they would do anything to feel the same way. When I tell them that they have to pray for that other person... that the person gets everything that they want... happiness, love, success... whatever. Of course, they can't do that. I couldn't either at first, but I found that it was the only way I could sleep. Over the years I grew, she grew, and out children grew.



Society needs to see the father as the natural parent that should be involved in the raising of his child. Arbitrary laws and punishments push the non-custodial parents away instead of supporting their attempts to remain a part of the children's lives.



All of you that want to think bad of Chanell (and I AM NOT condoning her action of before) I would ask that you sit back for a moment and think of your actions years ago and ask yourself if you want to be judged by them only? Or, have you grown, matured, changed?



Okay... enough of my soapbox and blowing my own horn. A person that has to say he has humility doesn't really, huh? It is through sharing my experience and growth I hope to show others that there is opportunity for growth and happiness.
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#178 Consumer Comment

LMAO@ Joe Watson the CONFIRMED wife and child abuser

AUTHOR: David - (U.S.A.)

Lmao at Joe. Yes I agree decent people which your not. Darren your right the marionetts keep swaying to the symphony. They dont even have a clue lmao. Kinda like finding a good fishig hole. I cast out the line and these turds keep biting the hook. I gotta tell you this is my laugh of the day when I retire for the evening. I cant tell whos the funniest. Juli in her quest to take back the crap she posted or Joes struggle to be accepted by his peers. Michele I dont know about yet so I'm reserving commenting about her until she really steps in it. (hehe casts the bait). I remember once my dad told me to stfu. I guess he shud have been jailed for that. Omg I cant believe some of the crap posted here.
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#179 Consumer Comment

Juli has a commrade named Michelle!

AUTHOR: Jim - (U.S.A.)

Juli,



Whats the matter girlie, I was giving it to you both barrells so you had to get a friend in on this to try to help you. I laugh at you fools, because you have fallen into my trap and if you proceed with comments you look stupid and if you stop you look even more stupid and I automatically win this little stand-off. Juli, Joe, Michelle "READ MY LIPS, NO NEW TAXES" oh wait that was George Bush Sr.s campaign promises sorry, got confused. READ MY LIPS the little boy was 3 weeks old, and I am sure he will have no recollection of what happend to him so as I have spoken about him he is living with the father and is doing very well now, geez, if you have that big of a problem with Chanell how about I send you a plane ticket so you can come up here and face her with your concerns face to face. I bet she smacks all three of you silly.The 3 Amigos-Joe, Juli, and Michelle. How about it let me know, I could use a nice catfight to entertain me. Oh, I really think I saw a show on Juli and Michelle, "what happens when Bonnie and Clyde turn out to be Bonnie and Bonnie" l*****n bandits next on Geraldo.
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#180 Consumer Comment

Juli has a commrade named Michelle!

AUTHOR: Jim - (U.S.A.)

Juli,



Whats the matter girlie, I was giving it to you both barrells so you had to get a friend in on this to try to help you. I laugh at you fools, because you have fallen into my trap and if you proceed with comments you look stupid and if you stop you look even more stupid and I automatically win this little stand-off. Juli, Joe, Michelle "READ MY LIPS, NO NEW TAXES" oh wait that was George Bush Sr.s campaign promises sorry, got confused. READ MY LIPS the little boy was 3 weeks old, and I am sure he will have no recollection of what happend to him so as I have spoken about him he is living with the father and is doing very well now, geez, if you have that big of a problem with Chanell how about I send you a plane ticket so you can come up here and face her with your concerns face to face. I bet she smacks all three of you silly.The 3 Amigos-Joe, Juli, and Michelle. How about it let me know, I could use a nice catfight to entertain me. Oh, I really think I saw a show on Juli and Michelle, "what happens when Bonnie and Clyde turn out to be Bonnie and Bonnie" l*****n bandits next on Geraldo.
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#181 Consumer Comment

Juli has a commrade named Michelle!

AUTHOR: Jim - (U.S.A.)

Juli,



Whats the matter girlie, I was giving it to you both barrells so you had to get a friend in on this to try to help you. I laugh at you fools, because you have fallen into my trap and if you proceed with comments you look stupid and if you stop you look even more stupid and I automatically win this little stand-off. Juli, Joe, Michelle "READ MY LIPS, NO NEW TAXES" oh wait that was George Bush Sr.s campaign promises sorry, got confused. READ MY LIPS the little boy was 3 weeks old, and I am sure he will have no recollection of what happend to him so as I have spoken about him he is living with the father and is doing very well now, geez, if you have that big of a problem with Chanell how about I send you a plane ticket so you can come up here and face her with your concerns face to face. I bet she smacks all three of you silly.The 3 Amigos-Joe, Juli, and Michelle. How about it let me know, I could use a nice catfight to entertain me. Oh, I really think I saw a show on Juli and Michelle, "what happens when Bonnie and Clyde turn out to be Bonnie and Bonnie" l*****n bandits next on Geraldo.
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#182 Consumer Comment

Juli has a commrade named Michelle!

AUTHOR: Jim - (U.S.A.)

Juli,



Whats the matter girlie, I was giving it to you both barrells so you had to get a friend in on this to try to help you. I laugh at you fools, because you have fallen into my trap and if you proceed with comments you look stupid and if you stop you look even more stupid and I automatically win this little stand-off. Juli, Joe, Michelle "READ MY LIPS, NO NEW TAXES" oh wait that was George Bush Sr.s campaign promises sorry, got confused. READ MY LIPS the little boy was 3 weeks old, and I am sure he will have no recollection of what happend to him so as I have spoken about him he is living with the father and is doing very well now, geez, if you have that big of a problem with Chanell how about I send you a plane ticket so you can come up here and face her with your concerns face to face. I bet she smacks all three of you silly.The 3 Amigos-Joe, Juli, and Michelle. How about it let me know, I could use a nice catfight to entertain me. Oh, I really think I saw a show on Juli and Michelle, "what happens when Bonnie and Clyde turn out to be Bonnie and Bonnie" l*****n bandits next on Geraldo.
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#183 Consumer Comment

decent people

AUTHOR: Joe - (Canada)

I knew after time that decent people would post here, to darren and michelle thanks for your comments, this situation is horrid and people like the puppet master (lol) and side-show jim don't seem to understand how important our children are, and how it is our duty as parents and a society to protect them. Juli don't get pushed away by these morons and keep up the good work you do. A different class of people are now here in this report to put a end to the play of words, thank-god.
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#184 Consumer Comment

Puppet Master

AUTHOR: Darren - (U.S.A.)

First, Dave... you truly are the Puppet Master. You sit there and pull the strings and everyone dances to your tune. My hat is off to you!



Next, as a disbaled vet. and a single father that put himself through college (BA from CSUSB) and is currently back in college to become a teacher, I have to ask about the father of the child.



Today things have changed and with all the talk of foster homes and adoption I would like to hear how the child is doing in the home of his father. To me, that is the first option, even before grandparents. As has been mentioned here, the apple does not fall far from the tree, and though it is a rule of thumb and not an absolute (some children grow up bad regardless of the environment) I have to worry that giving a child to the parents of a child abuser isn't just giving the child to someone with more experience of abusing a child?



We, as a society, not only need to expect more from fathers, but we also need to provide support for the single father just as we would a single mother.
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#185 Consumer Comment

Fantastic Points, Juli !! Keep up the educational, compassionate, and hilarious responses

AUTHOR: Michelle - (U.S.A.)

Juli: Thank you VERY much for the compliment, and I, too, concur with all that YOU'VE stated in this report (INCLUDING the jabs that you got back in on "Jim" when he began to miss the ENTIRE point of the report, and resorted to a juvenile attempt at insulting you..."small, soft and stinks real bad...OMG!!! ROFLMAO with you on THAT one!).



And for someone who "will do and say anything I please outside of my state job and nobody can say s**t about it. I can't be discriminated against because of my beliefs or my right to speech", sure has a "hankerin' " to shut down anyone else who exercises that SAME right.



In MY opinion, I think that you have been RIGHT ON TARGET,Juli, by encouraging the people within the nearest geographical access to the situation, to become PROACTIVE, NOT REACTIVE! And in your capacity within the child welfare and family health agency (in OUR outside of NY, I might add), DOES obligate you professionally AND morally, to pass on this information to these people posting here.



I just pray that people WILL step aside of their pride, as you remarked, and be less selfish with their choices from this point on. GET THIS "CHILD" (BOTH Chanell AND her daughter) SOME HELP!!!



(Tupper Lakens: If you're wondering what we're referencing in regards to your selfishness and prideful ways, please refer to ANY ONE of "Juli's" comments, or even MINE, for that matter. I think that the two of us, along with COUNTLESS others in this post, have provided a plethora of helpful suggestions for assisting Chanell and her child, which apparently have not been acted on. This is evident because she STILL has custody of her helpless daughter, and is continuing to live with a "Get Out Of Jail Free" card, and STILL carousing around town hosting "Tupperwhore" parties (I LOVED that remark, Juli. Funny as HELL!)



So, while we're on the subject of suggestions, might I suggest that if each of you spent MORE time trying to rid your town of these negative elements or activities and take heed to our input, INSTEAD OF coming on here constantly defending your town's "good" name (i.e., exhibiting selfishness, pride and ignorance), then her daughter wouldn't be in the predicament that she now finds herself in- - not trying to judge you, just making a suggestion.)



Keep up the educational, compassionate, and hilarious responses, Juli. And I congratulate you on sticking to your guns and not backing down in the face of blatant ignorance. You have expressed a REAL concern (as have MANY of you here) for this child's welfare, and I hope that your input is used in a constructive manner by SOMEONE in that town that REALLY cares.
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#186 Consumer Suggestion

one more thing Nancy, You seem to have a bad image and narrow minded, ignorant stereotyped view

AUTHOR: Juli - (U.S.A.)

You say you work with the kids in IRC that my "agency lets slip thru the cracks"



Well that is an incorrect statement you see. Because if people like YOU are aware that these kids are not being supervised properly..than YOU have a moral and LEGAL responsibility to report their parents so that the family can get services in place to help them learn how to function as a healthy family unit. HOW ARE WE SUPPOSED TO KNOW THEY ARE NOT BEING SUPERVISED IF NO ONE CALLS IN A REPORT? hmmm? we are not mind readers. And FYI...any child under the age of 12 who is left home alone or is left to care for a younger child alone...is being neglected by statute definition/guidelines..THIS type of information MUST be reported. Often times we don't remove children for lack of supervision, but can offer parents subsidized child care, parenting classes, etc. But if good caring citizens don't speak up on the children's behalf..we won't know there is a problem!



You seem to have a bad image and narrow minded, ignorant stereotyped view of what Community Based Child Welfare and Protective Services REALLY does. Check out the YMCA in FL in the Suncoast area...to see what they have been doing as far as setting the standard for Community Based Care. We are not bad people and we do NOT try to keep families apart. I suggest you learn more about this before you make blanket statements like that.
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#187 Consumer Suggestion

one more thing Nancy, You seem to have a bad image and narrow minded, ignorant stereotyped view

AUTHOR: Juli - (U.S.A.)

You say you work with the kids in IRC that my "agency lets slip thru the cracks"



Well that is an incorrect statement you see. Because if people like YOU are aware that these kids are not being supervised properly..than YOU have a moral and LEGAL responsibility to report their parents so that the family can get services in place to help them learn how to function as a healthy family unit. HOW ARE WE SUPPOSED TO KNOW THEY ARE NOT BEING SUPERVISED IF NO ONE CALLS IN A REPORT? hmmm? we are not mind readers. And FYI...any child under the age of 12 who is left home alone or is left to care for a younger child alone...is being neglected by statute definition/guidelines..THIS type of information MUST be reported. Often times we don't remove children for lack of supervision, but can offer parents subsidized child care, parenting classes, etc. But if good caring citizens don't speak up on the children's behalf..we won't know there is a problem!



You seem to have a bad image and narrow minded, ignorant stereotyped view of what Community Based Child Welfare and Protective Services REALLY does. Check out the YMCA in FL in the Suncoast area...to see what they have been doing as far as setting the standard for Community Based Care. We are not bad people and we do NOT try to keep families apart. I suggest you learn more about this before you make blanket statements like that.
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#188 Consumer Suggestion

one more thing Nancy, You seem to have a bad image and narrow minded, ignorant stereotyped view

AUTHOR: Juli - (U.S.A.)

You say you work with the kids in IRC that my "agency lets slip thru the cracks"



Well that is an incorrect statement you see. Because if people like YOU are aware that these kids are not being supervised properly..than YOU have a moral and LEGAL responsibility to report their parents so that the family can get services in place to help them learn how to function as a healthy family unit. HOW ARE WE SUPPOSED TO KNOW THEY ARE NOT BEING SUPERVISED IF NO ONE CALLS IN A REPORT? hmmm? we are not mind readers. And FYI...any child under the age of 12 who is left home alone or is left to care for a younger child alone...is being neglected by statute definition/guidelines..THIS type of information MUST be reported. Often times we don't remove children for lack of supervision, but can offer parents subsidized child care, parenting classes, etc. But if good caring citizens don't speak up on the children's behalf..we won't know there is a problem!



You seem to have a bad image and narrow minded, ignorant stereotyped view of what Community Based Child Welfare and Protective Services REALLY does. Check out the YMCA in FL in the Suncoast area...to see what they have been doing as far as setting the standard for Community Based Care. We are not bad people and we do NOT try to keep families apart. I suggest you learn more about this before you make blanket statements like that.
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#189 Consumer Suggestion

one more thing Nancy, You seem to have a bad image and narrow minded, ignorant stereotyped view

AUTHOR: Juli - (U.S.A.)

You say you work with the kids in IRC that my "agency lets slip thru the cracks"



Well that is an incorrect statement you see. Because if people like YOU are aware that these kids are not being supervised properly..than YOU have a moral and LEGAL responsibility to report their parents so that the family can get services in place to help them learn how to function as a healthy family unit. HOW ARE WE SUPPOSED TO KNOW THEY ARE NOT BEING SUPERVISED IF NO ONE CALLS IN A REPORT? hmmm? we are not mind readers. And FYI...any child under the age of 12 who is left home alone or is left to care for a younger child alone...is being neglected by statute definition/guidelines..THIS type of information MUST be reported. Often times we don't remove children for lack of supervision, but can offer parents subsidized child care, parenting classes, etc. But if good caring citizens don't speak up on the children's behalf..we won't know there is a problem!



You seem to have a bad image and narrow minded, ignorant stereotyped view of what Community Based Child Welfare and Protective Services REALLY does. Check out the YMCA in FL in the Suncoast area...to see what they have been doing as far as setting the standard for Community Based Care. We are not bad people and we do NOT try to keep families apart. I suggest you learn more about this before you make blanket statements like that.
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#190 Consumer Comment

Nancy... I applaud your cyber Nanny skills.

AUTHOR: Juli - (U.S.A.)

Thanks for the info and I applaud your cyber Nanny skills.



Yes, many teens and even middle schoolers today are quite the computer officianados. HOWEVER, the kids I work with, are dealing more with issues of their parents kicking, punching them...in addition to calling them names. They deal with witnessing domestic violence on a daily basis.



They deal with watching Dad sell "little white rocks for money" ...so to compare the kids YOU supposedly deal with to the children I intervene and help every day is like comparing apples to oranges. These kids are so truamatized that they would like to learn how to stop wetting the bed at the age of 11 before they even THINK about learning how to write code. Please, I have been in the field for 10 years so DON'T speak to me as if I am some rookie or entry level paraprofessional.



And chatting on IRC chans does not make you a counselor. Though I am sure the interaction is beneficial to alot of the youth you encounter. I would not encourage them to HACK tho, as that is illegal. Being the wife of a ret. officer I am sure you know what is right from wrong.



About my credibility...Nancy...please, I may be a professional but I am a human being too and could not pass up the chance for some comic relief. So I posted my replies to Jim, albeit as immature as his...it made a lot of folks laugh, including myself when I re -ead what I typed and the silliness of it all. My fiance and I are planning a spring/summer 2005 wedding and really, Jim's comments are trivial in the scheme of things.



About my job...yes it is stressful, but days like yesterday, when I was able to reunify 2 children with their parents because the parents COMPLETED ALL THEIR CASE PLAN TASKS and have show amazing improvements....those kind of days make up for the real humdingers I have dealt with in the past and recently. So you see, case managers are NOT about keeping families apart.



In fact, when I write a case plan, very typically the PRIMARY GOAL IS Reunification WITH the parent or parents. They have 12 months to do their case plan tasks. If not ..we look to the concurrent goal...or Plan B if you will...which is most often long term relative care. In some cases, tho...the older teens opt for Independent Living status due to all of the benefits (free college tuition, laptop computer, living expense money , etc)



The ONLY REASON I made reference to my job stress etc. is because you and a few others jumped to an uneducated conclusion that I was the same person that posted on that Disney thread. I suppose not much different than me assuming that you, Jim and Dave are all one in the same people. Guess we are rather even on that score there.



Finally, I still have to point out that people continue to ignore the fact that Chanelle has been accused of being verbally/emotionally abusive to her new child. READ the posts where she alleg. calls the baby a bit** and tells her to shut the f**k up...NO one should talk to a child like that EVER! She obviously lacks maternal instinct and the ability to safely and effectively parent.



Anyone who thinks its ok for her to treat her child like this has serious issues and I would question YOUR parenting skills as well as your level of morality and genuine sense of all that is humane.



PLEASE realize that Chanelle is STILL abusing ...this time its her new baby. And the person who posted that orig. post stating she saw/heard Chanelle doing this HAS TO REPORT it 1800 96 ABUSE..NO ONE WILL KNOW YOUR NAME when you call...its against the law for them to disclose that info....and you don't have to give your name, unless you are a mandated reporter (ie. Police officer, teacher, day care worker, anyone who works with children, camp counselor, etc.)



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#191 Consumer Suggestion

All is not WELL...read the prior posts Jimbo!

AUTHOR: Juli - (U.S.A.)

Juli Supporter in "Internet" Hawaii: HAHAH braddah..I nevah seen one island called "Internet" hahahah...just kiddin' ...mahalos tho foa da kine!



Michelle: I applaud your post! Intelligence and humor in one...VERY refreshing..and I absolutely CONCUR with what you stated.



And to okole Jimbo ...ALL IS NOT WELL THAT ENDS WELL...if you scroll up several posts...you will see that someone...can't recall who right now...posted that Chanelle calls her little girl foul names that NO child should EVER be called AND tells her to shut the "f**k up"..THAT is verbal and emotional abuse ..and whoever witnessed Chanelle doing that HAS to report her ..they can do it anonymously but if they don't they are a CO abuser in the eyes of the state. Like being an accessory to a crime. Child abuse IS a crime and if ANYONE witnesses it...or suspects it and DOES NOT REPORT IT ..is JUST AS GUILTY of committing the abuse themselves..I tried to get this point accross to the Tupper Lakers before but I think the water shriveled up what little gray matter they had.



If she is treating her daughter like that...SHE DOES NOT DESERVE TO BE A PARENT ...PERIOD. So I hope that that person calls in the report. If not...and anything happens to this child...ED will most likely be subpoenaed to provide the identity of the person who originally made that report. PREVENTION is the key people. Saying nothing about child abuse will not make the problem go away..but the children will...one by one...they die. What's more important? Keeping a child safe from potential harm or your pride? Think about it.
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#192 Consumer Comment

I do it for no pay.

AUTHOR: Nancy - (U.S.A.)

Juli. Regardless of who you are, we've all read what you have said on this report. You came on like gangbusters at first, giving no options but that children should be taken away from their parents. Then you started trading sexual insults with Jim, giving all the readers a good laugh. Of course letting Jim get you going like that did make your credibility go down in the eyes of a lot of the readers here.



I can assure you that Jim, David and I are NOT the same person. If we are, then I just spent the last half hour on the phone with myself, instead of really talking to Jim. (Was great speaking with you Jim, we must do it again real soon.) Unlike you, I have no problems with saying who I am or posting a picture online. ED just put one of my pictures up not long back on a report in here in fact.



You screamed at us: "OK...now...look WHAT I DO FOR A CAREER...I AM A FOSTER CARE CASE MANAGER...I WORK SOMETIMES 60 HOURS A WEEK..NO OVER TIME...yeh I get mileage reimbursement from the state but at the current gas prices..what the heck is .32 per mile going to do for me?"



I'm real impressed. I work online 12-15 hours every day with the kids that your type organization lets slip thru the cracks. You know, the ones who have parents who are so wrapped up in themselves that they buy their kid a computer as a babysitter. These are the kids online who are blessed with incredible intelligence, but lack of supervision from their parents. They are the ones who are smart enough to learn how to hack, code viruses, take down entire internet services via DOS attacks, etc. How is the company you work for helping them straighten up their lives? Has your company taught you how to 5p33k |337 50 u c@n d3@| w17h 7h353 k1d5?



No, I didn't typo any of that, it's how the kids type to their peers, something you need to know, to deal with the kids today who have internet access. (Translated I asked you if you have been taught to: speak leet so you can deal with these kids?) Has your company taught you basic unix, so you can figure out what the kids are up to? Most of them figure out real quick they can do more damage from a shell account. Do you know how to build your own computers, so you can talk on an equal level with the kids? If you don't have knowledge of any of this .. you aren't gonna get very far with the kids of today who are almost all computer and internet savvy.



I do it for no pay. My pay is the 'thank you' I get from the kids and watching them start to apply themselves in school and then go on to college. How many kids have I been 'Mom' to over the past 11 years I've been online? I've lost count. But I can tell you they still stop in to see me in IRC at least once a year to let me know how they are doing, once they have gotten thru college, started on their way in life and don't have the time to be online as much anymore.



How are the kids you have taken away from their parents doing these days? Do they check in with you and keep you up on what is happening in their lives? Or have they been left hanging out to dry in a system that prefers to take them away from their parents, instead of working with them to solve their problems in an attempt to keep the family together?



I'm the first to admit there are some bad parents out there. This report was started way back on 3/1/2002. On 5/28/2003, Jim wrote a rebuttal telling everyone that the baby was living with his father and doing well. Shortly after that he did another one, to inform those who were concerned about the new baby Chanell was carrying, that she had taken anger management classes and she seemed to be doing better. While his rebuttals were not long rambing ones, they are here and had you read them before your first rebuttal, you would have known how the baby was doing. (This goes for you too Joe.)



Not that it matters Juli, but I come from a line of police officers and am, in fact, married to a retired officer. You probably don't wanna get me going on 'the crap' that people do. I'm well aware of the things people can do that would blow the mind. It's all a part of the business .. if you don't like it, or the stress it involves, then find another line of work.
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#193 Consumer Comment

Petition To CEASE AND DESIST

AUTHOR: Michelle Smith - (U.S.A.)

To all of my fellow sufferers of "As Tupper Lakes Turns" episodes and escapades, PLEASE SIGN MY PETITION.



The following is a CEASE AND DESIST order for the entity entitled "Mud Puddles", to stop letting the individuals who have been named on this site for their philanderous ways, from frequenting their establishment.



It has been acknowledged, admitted to, and alleged by numerous parties, that these young men and women OPENLY buy, sell, use, and distribute drugs on your premises, abuse themselves and the children left in their charge, and have even been known to harm other individuals through criminal acts of assault/battery, D.W./U.I. infractions, and sometimes resulting in vehicular manslaughter and murder.



MANY of these incidents have occurred AFTER having slammed back several drinks at your place of business, with the waiters/waitresses/bartenders supposedly trained to recognize and stop serving at the sign of ANY obscene intoxication in any of your patrons. GOOD to see that they are on their jobs.



They have been deemed a danger to ALL law-abiding citizens within Tupper Lake and the Tri-State surrounding areas, and should NOT be allowed to further place innocent people at risk. And should you continue to serve and encourage the presense of these individuals in your establishment, you have opened yourself, and all legally-binding entities and interested third-parties involved in your company, to litigations, civil suits, and the judgment of MILLIONS of viewers of this daily saga you breed there.



SHAME ON YOU!!!
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#194 Consumer Comment

Can ANYONE say..."GOT JESUS?"

AUTHOR: Michelle - (U.S.A.)

WOW! In ALL of my 36-plus years of living and travels to many places, both as a civilian and on active duty, I have NEVER run across the types of people (I use that word loosely) that Tupper Lake inhabitates, nor have I ever heard of such hate-filled, grammatically-deficient, diabolically-evil, IGNORANT, and incomprehensible garbage!



FIRST (yes, my Tupper Lakens who seem to not be able to get your fingers to cooperate with the few drug-induced brain cells that you have left, the word is "FIRST", NOT "F-R-I-S-T") may I say, that I applaud "ED" and his staff @ The Rip-Off Report for successfully bringing to light the unsavory business practices of companies who continue to take advantage of it's consumers, EVEN after being exposed. Let me also state, that I would be quite disappointed if you ever decided to rid this site of "As Tupper Lake Turns", because it is by far THE FUNNIEST crap that I have seen online in quite sometime. Keep up the good work. KUDOS!!!



Now, back to the matter at hand...Dear Chanell. You look as though you are in GREAT need of a bath, DEEP-degreasing shampooing, AND an exorcism, NOT custody of your children. (Didn't Linda Blair look better than this after the "green pea soup" incident?). (Notice in what context I used the word "THAN", which is often confused with the word "THEN" in these posts.)



And to all of her "friends"..."ex"-friends included (Wait one second, let's ALL get on the same page for a moment. WHAT is the definition of a "friend": "One who is attached to another by affection", "a favorite"). How can you call yourselves that, when all that you have done is show the menial mentality that each of YOU have, by airing someone else's dirty laundry on a public site like this? (I know, I know..."If [I] don't want to hear about it, then don't read it"... but THEN where would I get my morning Cocoa Puffs, because ALL of you are Coo-Coo for Cocoa Puffs it sounds like! But again, it is ALWAYS nice to catch up on what Jerry's Kids are doing. (That's Jerry SPRINGER'S Kids, not meant for those who live with Muscular Distrophy, or any other handi-capability that a layperson like myself cannot fathom. Continue to be strong.).



So to all of her "friends", lay off of the pipe YOURSELVES, long enough to clean up your OWN backyards, before you go taking a rake to hers or ANYONE else's! (And for any of you who are scratching your a*s in wonderment, and then sniffing your fingers:



NO I don't know any of you;

NO, I don't know Chanell;

NO, I have NEVER been to Tupper Lake. I'm from a little city in the upstate area...perhaps you've heard of it...ROCHESTER! Thank Heavens! (Remember, ya'll don't like or should I say, "take a likin' ta'" African/Native American people there, or at least I've been told that the Festival Of Lights that I would be seeing, would probably (See, there I go with the big words again. Yes, the word is spelled "P-R-O-B-A-B-L-Y", NOT "P-R-O-L-L-Y".) include a burning cross, not the candlelight vigil I had hoped for! You'll never have ME strung up in the back of Mud Puddles on a noose for you to swing at like a pinata!)



Why don't some of you "friends" or town "local yokels" try taking some "tough love" steps with Chanell, instead of humiliating the "child" (And I do mean that in the TRUEST sense of the word... being over 18 DOES NOT make you a man or woman, people, as MANY of you have demonstrated for the WORLD to see!).



1. DO CALL 9-1-1, D.C.F., H.R.S., or whomever is the family health agency for your area. Report what you see Chanell or any other drug-abusing deadbeat doing, that endangers the lives of an unborn, newborn, toddler, young child/adult, senior citizen or disabled individual. It IS your duty as a concerned citizen. And if you're not part of the solution, then you are DEFINITELY part of the problem...or maybe even the SOURCE of it!!!



2. STOP DOING the activities around Chanell that influence her to stray from the path that she now needs to take towards sobriety and responsibility.



3. TRY BEING a role model yourself and look at getting into a rehab or 12-step program. There sounds like enough people in your town to gather together one HELL of a meeting! LOTS of issues to deal with.



4. AND SPEAKING of meetings, why don't you town-folk get together and HAVE a town meeting or church/home gathering, to air out your differences in a more civic-minded venue. Therefore, when you complain about people judging you and getting into your business, you can do it on a face-to-face level, and not the cowardly one that many of you have stooped to.



Now, back to Chanell... Why don't you try looking into Jobs- or Peace Corps, out-of-state colleges, a trade school...HELL, right now I'd even send you to the military! ANYTHING more productive than what we've been hearing about on this site. And get out of that town, too. (No, I'm NOT encouraging you to move to a neighboring town that has the same mentality and dead-end possibilities as Tupper Lake. I mean, move to a place where you actually have to log some miles on your rental truck receipt, and where BOTH your zip- AND area codes change.)



And honey, I've read your rebuttal...you would think that you would have used that opportunity to dispell the rumors about the "baby in the s****. />

So, as I bring to a close my rebuttal on life in Mayberry R.F.D., I just have to say that "Jim" (I-work-a-state-job-making-more-than-you-do) of Tupper Lake and "Dave" (Let's-kill-all-of-the-towelheads) of Bullshead, you two crack me the HELL up! I rather enjoy your endless banter that you both taunt the other into, however, may I suggest something to both of you.



"Jim", my word of the day to you would be "humility". JUST because you work for the state at a mental hospital that should house ALL of your town's people, does NOT mean that you have got it all made-in-the-shade, as you project.



As a matter of fact, you have LESS security than some people in the private sector of business, because the goverment is on such shaky grounds economically, you may SOON find that you are LESS than a paycheck from being homeless. (By the way, I used to work for the state of New York as a worker's comp investigator (NO, NOT one of the ones that "Mr. Paranoid" thinks is stalking and taking pictures of him)...



Do you remember back in '91 when the ENTIRE Congress went on summer recess, only to leave ALL state employess without a paycheck for FOUR WEEKS, until they reconvened and settled their arguments about the budget? No, probably not. You were more than likely still working on your 5-year A.A.S. degree. I know it's really a 2-year program, but why not have fun while we're at it?)



And since you don't seem to have ever ventured far away from home, may I ALSO add that in other parts of the country/world, "$28,000-a-year with an A.A.S. in Criminal Justice" would appear as though you're an under-achiever who SETTLED for the first job that came along, and were too lazy to further your education. (Although, with THAT degree, it probably makes you the town professor).



As a matter of fact, compared to some wages I know of, THAT salary would feel MORE like minimum wage to us. It's nice that you're made to feel like a "Big-Ballin', Shot-Callin'" high-roller back home...everyone enjoys a few minutes of fame here and there. But you must ALWAYS remember your beginnings, the people who knew-you-when, and where you came from! Oops, I'm sorry, you're still there. Because the SAME people that you step on, on your way to achieving greatness, are the SAME people that you're going to see in your plunge back into despair.



And to "Dave"...I really enjoy your responses to people (ESPECIALLY the question about "If you divorce your wife, is she STILL your sister?", and your ending statement: "STILL L.M.A.O. at Tupper Lake"...HILARIOUS stuff!)



However, my gripe with you has less to do with the comments on Tupper Lakens, than they have to do with your discussions on Iraq. You will find that you can "get more bees with honey, than vinegar". You illustrate REALLY key and valid points about the wars and oil issues (I, TOO, was in the military - Air Force, active duty.), but your views seemed to have diminished into a tirade of racists comments that I deem to be unfair and offensive to an entire race of people.



If you would be LESS attacking in your arguments/responses, I'm sure that you will find that many people (i.e., "Parker", "Audrey", "Christopher") would not become confrontational in return. Just a little suggestion.



Ok folks, be sure to tune in at 5 and 10 Eastern Standard Time, for the next episode of "As Tupper Lake Turns", your stomach, that is.
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#195 Consumer Comment

Juli: File that paperwork, and state irrepairable damage to the future welfare of that childs mind due to Tupper's community abuse on the internet.

AUTHOR: Juli Supporter - (U.S.A.)

Juli, Filter out the noise in this thread.



What you are is a case worker, you know how to file the proper paperwork. This has been going on for over 2 years.



Get that Child removed from that town. He will be looked at as an oddity for the rest of his life.



Be concerned, that little boy still has a life to live.... in that town, with those people around him. He will always be known as "that's the kid who was thrown in a snow bank so ma could party." Lord knows he will probably grow up to be just like mommy, to drown away the sorrows caused by her that night.



By the looks of this thread, that community will never let him forget what happened when he was an innocent baby. File the paperwork to have him removed from that town. There should be a law protecting children from unrelentless public abuse. The longer this goes on, the more his future will be affected due to the unsupportive nature of people who wont let any closure occure.



File that paperwork, and state irrepairable damage to the future welfare of that childs mind due to community abuse on the internet.
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#196 Consumer Comment

Juli and Joe-mamma, It's DONE with and the baby is perfectly fine!

AUTHOR: Jim - (U.S.A.)

Juli and JoeMamma,



Geez, I think Joe has got the hots for bullfrog Juli. Juli for your information I am not David or Nancy! I have said from the start that when I post something I put my REAL name and most everyone that views this site knows who I am. Yeah maybe you were trying to make your point about Chanell and HER child but you made it so move on my pet bullfrog. Joe, as for you, keep your hands off Juli she is mine. She just makes my heart skip a beat everytime I here her name. Joe, seriously, the child(boy) is fine and all is done. Chanell has had her infant daughter living with her and there has been no incidents, so all is well that ends well. Juli, d**n, you make me horny girl, I just want you sooooooo BAD, NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT
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#197 Consumer Comment

David, Jim and Nancy

AUTHOR: Joe - (Canada)

I will never win a point with people of you stature so I will just state my current position on the report that is filed here, yeah the report that has lost all meaning. I have tried several times to bring this reports meaning into the spotlight and faied, child welfare means nothing to you people. Hey David why not post a solution to this problem instead of bashing the people who are thinking on behalf of the children. Jim leave your d**k out of conversation here, why must you slam juli, her original intent on here was to help or give her constructive point of view, we all have that right. Nancy you need help, not every man is an abuser, don't believe everything that David says. I look at my children and I cannot ever imagine abandoning them or throwing them in a snow bank, how can a humanbeing do this?. My daughter was abandoned by her mother, david choses not to believe this but who cares, in the end after alot of shite I got sole custody and vowed to never let my child suffer again, like this. Take the gloves off and be cival people for the childrens sake. It is people that make laws and it is people that change laws. Juli it is to bad the edditor of this site could care less about what gets put on it, who knows without all the garbage he letes pass through maby we could find some intelligant conversation. Just so people don't forget about the children who are abused everyday below is the real reason this report exists, lets see one of the gang post a reply that has anything at all to do with it. "Chanell Fournier of Tupper Lake NY abused her 3 week old son. She through him into a 3 foot tall snow bank and just left him there crying" this is very sad.
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#198 Consumer Suggestion

WHERE is your LOGIC people?

AUTHOR: Juli - (U.S.A.)

One more thing, think about it people, if you REALLY think I am THAT Juli from that Mickey Mouse thread..SHE says she was a Disney cast member...she worked for Disney..one of the MOST successful companies in FL ...and biggest employers in the central FL area...right?



OK...now...look WHAT I DO FOR A CAREER...I AM A FOSTER CARE CASE MANAGER...I WORK SOMETIMES 60 HOURS A WEEK..NO OVER TIME...yeh I get mileage reimbursement from the state but at the current gas prices..what the heck is .32 per mile going to do for me?



NOW I ask you...if IF..that were REALLY me..I WOULD NOT EVER give up a job at Disney to work the hours I work now...with the stress I endure now. TRUST ME.



So think logically people. Yes, I love my job

and it is personally and professionally rewarding. But anyone who knows anything knows that the state of FL never pays ANYONE what they should get paid...heck..they have not raised the minimum wage since 1989!!! Yet the cost of living raises EVERY year!



The point is, if THAT was TRULY me...I would never have left a job at Disney...a job wich involves creativity and fun...for a job like mine now..which requires long hours and a LOT of stress.



Put in terms everyone can relate to...which would YOU rather do...have a job where you have fun with Mickey Mouse and Disney characters all day long with a bunch of people from all over the world every day? OR having to deal with people like CHANELLE EVERY DAY...40-60 hours a week..with a justice system that is sometimes as illogical as thinking that I am the SAME Juli that posted in that other thread?



Think about it ..people..I AM NOT the SAME person that posted in that thread. That Juli was a nut for leaving a Disney Job...no matter WHAT she whined about in her post. She should try and deal with the crap I see every day in MY line of work..she would be BEGGING to have her Disney job back!
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#199 Consumer Suggestion

Narrow Minds

AUTHOR: Juli - (U.S.A.)

Well, since I never frequent that thread, I suppose I missed that post. Or, someone else also spells their name as I do, however Juli is a shortened version of my FULL name. Which, I will not post on here because of the whacko Net weirdos and potential stalkers.



I Have not posted on the Mickey Mouse thread EVER. Think what you will. I have never worked for Disney. EVER.



Think what you will about me people, I know WHO I AM ..and WHAT I AM and WHAT I KNOW ..I know where I am going in life and am really just getting comic relief off of the level of immaturity displayed by so called adults.



And if my credibility only went down in Dave, Jim and Nancy's eyes, oh my....how awful..when they may actually be the SAME individuals anyway afterall...



It HAS been alleged that these "identities" are really Jim in disguise...it has also been hypothesized that it is Dave/Jim's multiple personalities presenting themselves in literal form.



Whatever, the point is...Chanelle lost custody of her first child and people with ANY amount of dignity and caring should make sure she loses custody of this little girl as well..she is NOT Fit to EVER raise a child from what I have read so far on this site.



And THAT Is really what this thread it about. Not Jim, Dave or Nancy's mindless babble.



Aloha..and good riddance ..
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#200 Consumer Comment

Juli or Julie? Normally when it looks like a duck, walks like a duck ...

AUTHOR: Nancy - (U.S.A.)

Juli - Tallahassee, Florida

U.S.A.



http://w3.ripoffreport.com/reports/ripoff59399.htm



I just copied that off the Disney thread that David and I were referring to Juli. Sure looks to me as if that Juli and you *do* spell your names the same. That Juli brags about education and brains, which you have also done in this report. Normally when it looks like a duck, walks like a duck ...



Perhaps you need to be a little less concerned with telling people to take a literacy class and learn how to use the search engine that ED makes readily available on this website.



Well, I need to cut this one short. I got some code to go check out to make sure it's working correctly and some phone calls to get done. Catch y'all on the rebound.
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#201 Consumer Comment

David, Jeff, Jim and Nancy

AUTHOR: Jasper - (U.S.A.)

I finally figured it out. Juli with an "I" and no "E" is really Joe in drag.
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#202 Consumer Suggestion

Nancy, READ for content and please comprehend....

AUTHOR: Juli - (U.S.A.)

No I am not Blonde Nancy, but since this is the only thread I have posted in, you mentioning Tallahasse in this thread (which you did, scroll up ..you will see it) is what rather confused me for a moment. But upon doing a bit of my own research I found out you must have choses to ASSume that I was some other individual named JULIE..spelled different than I spell my name mind you...who did post a bunch of negative crap about Disney. She is obviously a disgruntled employee..but I don't really know the whole story....so I am not going to sit and completely criticize her..it would not be right on my part to do that.



Nancy, you are absolutely right, and if you reread my posts, you will see that I have stated that the STATE...when DCF had jurisdiction over child protection/child welfare...in other words..UNprivatized sectors still...THEY still make grave mistakes ...look at the Rilya Wilson case...



And don't even get me started on Pinellas county..although they HAVE been Privatized...they got greedy and one agency chose to TRY and run the whole show...and they failed miserably..at the expense of a lot of Pinellas county's children and families.



You want to research a GREAT model of child welfare...look up the Suncoast Region ...the YMCA holds the contract.



NOT ALL of Florida screws up Nancy, just like not ALL of Tupper Lake are inbred fools.

Open your mind a bit, will you? It might work better if you do.



Aloha
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#203 Consumer Suggestion

Nancy, READ for content and please comprehend....

AUTHOR: Juli - (U.S.A.)

No I am not Blonde Nancy, but since this is the only thread I have posted in, you mentioning Tallahasse in this thread (which you did, scroll up ..you will see it) is what rather confused me for a moment. But upon doing a bit of my own research I found out you must have choses to ASSume that I was some other individual named JULIE..spelled different than I spell my name mind you...who did post a bunch of negative crap about Disney. She is obviously a disgruntled employee..but I don't really know the whole story....so I am not going to sit and completely criticize her..it would not be right on my part to do that.



Nancy, you are absolutely right, and if you reread my posts, you will see that I have stated that the STATE...when DCF had jurisdiction over child protection/child welfare...in other words..UNprivatized sectors still...THEY still make grave mistakes ...look at the Rilya Wilson case...



And don't even get me started on Pinellas county..although they HAVE been Privatized...they got greedy and one agency chose to TRY and run the whole show...and they failed miserably..at the expense of a lot of Pinellas county's children and families.



You want to research a GREAT model of child welfare...look up the Suncoast Region ...the YMCA holds the contract.



NOT ALL of Florida screws up Nancy, just like not ALL of Tupper Lake are inbred fools.

Open your mind a bit, will you? It might work better if you do.



Aloha
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#204 Consumer Suggestion

Nancy, READ for content and please comprehend....

AUTHOR: Juli - (U.S.A.)

No I am not Blonde Nancy, but since this is the only thread I have posted in, you mentioning Tallahasse in this thread (which you did, scroll up ..you will see it) is what rather confused me for a moment. But upon doing a bit of my own research I found out you must have choses to ASSume that I was some other individual named JULIE..spelled different than I spell my name mind you...who did post a bunch of negative crap about Disney. She is obviously a disgruntled employee..but I don't really know the whole story....so I am not going to sit and completely criticize her..it would not be right on my part to do that.



Nancy, you are absolutely right, and if you reread my posts, you will see that I have stated that the STATE...when DCF had jurisdiction over child protection/child welfare...in other words..UNprivatized sectors still...THEY still make grave mistakes ...look at the Rilya Wilson case...



And don't even get me started on Pinellas county..although they HAVE been Privatized...they got greedy and one agency chose to TRY and run the whole show...and they failed miserably..at the expense of a lot of Pinellas county's children and families.



You want to research a GREAT model of child welfare...look up the Suncoast Region ...the YMCA holds the contract.



NOT ALL of Florida screws up Nancy, just like not ALL of Tupper Lake are inbred fools.

Open your mind a bit, will you? It might work better if you do.



Aloha
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#205 Consumer Suggestion

Nancy, READ for content and please comprehend....

AUTHOR: Juli - (U.S.A.)

No I am not Blonde Nancy, but since this is the only thread I have posted in, you mentioning Tallahasse in this thread (which you did, scroll up ..you will see it) is what rather confused me for a moment. But upon doing a bit of my own research I found out you must have choses to ASSume that I was some other individual named JULIE..spelled different than I spell my name mind you...who did post a bunch of negative crap about Disney. She is obviously a disgruntled employee..but I don't really know the whole story....so I am not going to sit and completely criticize her..it would not be right on my part to do that.



Nancy, you are absolutely right, and if you reread my posts, you will see that I have stated that the STATE...when DCF had jurisdiction over child protection/child welfare...in other words..UNprivatized sectors still...THEY still make grave mistakes ...look at the Rilya Wilson case...



And don't even get me started on Pinellas county..although they HAVE been Privatized...they got greedy and one agency chose to TRY and run the whole show...and they failed miserably..at the expense of a lot of Pinellas county's children and families.



You want to research a GREAT model of child welfare...look up the Suncoast Region ...the YMCA holds the contract.



NOT ALL of Florida screws up Nancy, just like not ALL of Tupper Lake are inbred fools.

Open your mind a bit, will you? It might work better if you do.



Aloha
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#206 Consumer Comment

Juli lies again lmao

AUTHOR: David - (U.S.A.)

Juli did you think we are all fools here? Ok everyone go to report #59399 and see JULI not Julie as she whould have us belive. Same BS same attitude. I can see why your denying it as you are getting beat up bad there also. Credibility just went down below zero now Juli. One can only believe that everything else you have said is a load of crap as well. Nancy zeroed right in on you..... but its your lie you tell it girl.

Nancy I'm sorry to hear about you being abused. I wish it wasnt so. I am more than happy I have entertained you tho. We need people like Juli and Joe who dont know when to sit down and shut up LOL. Thanks for your help in exposing them both.
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#207 Consumer Comment

...you did catch the heads up. :)

AUTHOR: Nancy - (U.S.A.)

Juli, I lived in Florida for a long time and still have a lot of family there. (Some of that family has worked at Disney too .. recently!) I know all about how bad all of various child protective services in that state are and all the troubles they have had thru the years. Please don't waste your breath trying to tell me differently. I also never said you mentioned Tallahassee in this report .. are you blonde?



Sorry David, I was abused by an ex-hubby, so I had to call it as I see it with Joe. He talks so much like that ex of mine that it's almost scary. I would like Joe to tell us all more about this American Dream he claims to be living though. Seems to me it would be kinda hard to live American in Canada where he's from. I don't feel Joe is gonna go away soon. He's having too much fun stalking you in here. Guess you beat out his ex-wife and you won the 'honor' of his affections.



After 11 years online, I can usually spot them pretty quick. Ya learn real fast when you run with the geeks in IRC as I do. I'm also pretty good at recognizing writing styles and reading between the lines. I know you are too David and you did catch the heads up. :)



Jeff, quite a scroll back in this report, I'd guesstimate around the middle of it, I saw Jim say that the baby is now with his father and doing well. Shortly after that is when Juli, then later Joe, showed up here and things got quite crazy. You are correct in saying it's great entertainment though. Jim and David both have had me ROTFLMAO thru the total last half of this report.
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#208 Consumer Suggestion

What Mickey Mouse Report?

AUTHOR: Juli - (U.S.A.)

Dude, Mickey Mouse ROCKS! I love Disney and IOA and pretty much any of the other tourist traps down here...that is what makes this area so much fun to live in! I have NO CLUE what Mickey Mouse report you speak of...I researched tho..and saw some JULIE ...spelled with an E at the end of her name that claimed to be a former Disney cast member...THAT IS NOT me...for my name is NOT JULIE but JULI..and oh wow...that is such an uncommon name...yeh..right like there could not possibly be more than one person on here with my name posting on this website..



The fact is...THAT person spells her name different than me and is NOT me. I never worked for Disney nor would I knock Disney in that manner..like I said, I think Disney is pretty cool...and brings a lot of revenue to the area.



Sooooo before you go associating THIS JULI with THAT JULIE...get your facts straight...Nancy and David...



Perhaps if you took a literacy class you would see that the names are spelled differently.



And to the other person, sorry I forgot your name, who wondered how I got caught up in all this...I thank you for the compliments about my constructive comments ...and yes, I know I have allowed myself to stoop somewhat to their level of immaturity. Honestly, this is my stress relief..it is a comical site at this point. Jerry Springer meets Tupper Lake via the Web..if you will.



It just amazes me that people's cerebellums have degenerated to the point where they present themselves as having little more than silly putty for brains.



As I said before, if its not the drugs, it MUST be the water they drink up there.



Aloha
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#209 Consumer Comment

Jeff, I don't have any problem with you expressing your feelings

AUTHOR: Jim - (U.S.A.)

Jeff,



I don't have a problem with you or anyone else expressing your thoughts or opinions on here as long as they are half intelligent. I saw you don't think I am the brightest crayon in the box well thats your opinion and I also see that you have admitted to your faults, thats why I don't have beef with you. You don't try to seem like you are better than everyone else or even smarter than everyone else. I know I am not the smartest person in the world but I am by no means stupid. I am sorry that some people don't like my attitude but I was brought up not to put up with peoples s**t and don't let anyone walk all over you so thats where I get my disposition from. Hey David, whats up dude! Keep the posts coming and thanks Nancy, you are a great supporter. Keep the faith!
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#210 Consumer Comment

Kudos to Nancy for exposing Juli and whats his name

AUTHOR: David - (U.S.A.)

Thanks for the heads up about Juli. What a friggin weirdo she is complaining about Mickey Mouse. Your right she's getting beat up bad on that report also. Now shes got a job throwing people in jail if they dont share her views. Maybe she got thrown into a s****. />

Now lets dont be to hard on little Joey Watson from Hamilton. We have to let him thinks he's winning every once in awhile so he will keep posting making a fool of himself. The more he posts means the less he's beating his new wife and sueing the small businesses in Hamilton for frivilous reasons. I think he should do his wife, kid, his town and Canada a favor and commit suicide as he is by far equal to Juli as being totally worthless to society.



Well I'll close by saying Mickey Mouse rules and still laughing my a*s off at Joe Watson Canadian at large.
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#211 Consumer Suggestion

To Nancy in AZ

AUTHOR: Juli - (U.S.A.)

I have never in this thread stated I was from Tallahassee...I don't know where you got that info from. And what "Disney Reports" are you speaking of? I only saw the one post by David the dumbass saying I was a Case Manager for Mickey Mouse..THAT was the only reference to Disney in here that I see.



But I am from the Orlando area...though I work in a region that is privatized for Child Protection/Welfare services. Orlando is not yet privatized yet...which could explain a lot of their past problems. Like I said, region I work for sets the standard for Community Based Care in FL and Jeb Bush uses our agencies (there are many in the region) as a collective model for other areas to turn to as they approach privatization...



So, I hope that answers your questions..



I am not from Tallahassee...never lived there. Sorry.
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Just my two cents again

AUTHOR: Jeff - (U.S.A.)

I put my two cents in here one time way at the top and pretty much just left it at that. Every once in a while I come back to read the drama when I get the time. I guess I am at the point where I am going to put my two cents in again. As I mentioned before David cracks me up and he is kind of the voice of opposition when things are sketchy. In my opinion I think there needs to be a voice like that on a site that is wide open, I mean anyone can come here and file a false report.



As for this report I don't totally agree with the wording that is used to voice this opposition, and especially Jim's. Sorry Jim, but you don't seem like your really trying to change people's minds about the average intelligence in your local area. I am not saying I am intelligent, smart, can spell or anything, it is just the kind of threats you make and the way you attack people.



While, some replies are probably deserved and are a defensive tactic, talking about how you are going to hurt people, or show them your private parts ect. Is nothing less then childish. I would expect that a person who works for the state and has a college education to represent himself in a professionally manner, especially since it seems the whole world reads this. As far as your last comments to Juli stating that she will never win, I believe you totally 100%. I don't think you would ever back down from any comment made about you in any way, that shows something there.



It is good that you are a strong willed person, many people lack that kind of trait and I am sure they would love to have it. In your case, your will does not do anything for you but make people think you are not the brightest crayon in the box. If you really wanted to show who is the better one out of you and Juli, then don't reply to her anymore. Not replying to Juli isn't a challenge, and I am not placing a bet with you, it doesn't make one difference to me if you keep going or stop. Matter of fact, the history here pretty much supports the fact that you will not stop and that is fine with me. Jim, I am sure you will have some good things to say to me after you read this, and I actually expect you too.



Juli, how did you get wrapped up in this? You made some pretty constructive comments back in the beginning and then you kind of went way of course here. I know some pretty bad stuff was said, but a person in your career field should be used to people and be able to deal with them in an appropriate manner.



Dave, you just seem to sit on the side lines and come out when you get the urge, and that is kind of the way I am. I don't really agree with the way you say things, but you make a lot of valid points that would probably be logically discussed if they were presented in a less offensive manner. However, some of them comments are pretty entertaining also lol.



In the end there is not really much to say, without this drama I wouldn't have anything to read in the morning except for the newspaper. This is all entertaining and it is starting to show who has what and where.



Just my 2 cents



BTW how is the child actually doing? does anyone know?
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#213 Consumer Comment

w00p!

AUTHOR: Nancy - (U.S.A.)

Unlike some people, I have read all the Tupper Lake reports and have pretty much learned who is who from there. Anyone who has done the same, knows that Jim and David have been in here since the beginning and will continue to be so I'm sure. The Tupper Lake reports wouldn't be the same without these two guys!



Juli, tell me something ... are you from Orlando or Tallahassee? In the Disney reports, where you are also getting beat up, you say you are from Tallahassee, yet in here you say Orlando. Which is it?



Joe, you need to go find a life. Stalking David from report to report, ever since he exposed you for the wife beater you are, shows lack of class. Grow up.



BTW, David and Jim. An internet friend of mine for the past 6 years finally got to make a trip from Atlanta out here to Phoenix to visit me last week. As we were talking over coffee, I mentioned how I love reading RipOffReport and the Tupper Lake stuff in here. He looked at me and said: "A good friend of mine is from that town! What's the URL so I can tell him how to find the reports?" Heh, small world isn't it.



If you ever get to Phoenix David, get my info from ED and we'll do lunch. :)



...Laughing my a*s off with David...
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#214 Consumer Comment

w00p!

AUTHOR: Nancy - (U.S.A.)

Unlike some people, I have read all the Tupper Lake reports and have pretty much learned who is who from there. Anyone who has done the same, knows that Jim and David have been in here since the beginning and will continue to be so I'm sure. The Tupper Lake reports wouldn't be the same without these two guys!



Juli, tell me something ... are you from Orlando or Tallahassee? In the Disney reports, where you are also getting beat up, you say you are from Tallahassee, yet in here you say Orlando. Which is it?



Joe, you need to go find a life. Stalking David from report to report, ever since he exposed you for the wife beater you are, shows lack of class. Grow up.



BTW, David and Jim. An internet friend of mine for the past 6 years finally got to make a trip from Atlanta out here to Phoenix to visit me last week. As we were talking over coffee, I mentioned how I love reading RipOffReport and the Tupper Lake stuff in here. He looked at me and said: "A good friend of mine is from that town! What's the URL so I can tell him how to find the reports?" Heh, small world isn't it.



If you ever get to Phoenix David, get my info from ED and we'll do lunch. :)



...Laughing my a*s off with David...
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w00p!

AUTHOR: Nancy - (U.S.A.)

Unlike some people, I have read all the Tupper Lake reports and have pretty much learned who is who from there. Anyone who has done the same, knows that Jim and David have been in here since the beginning and will continue to be so I'm sure. The Tupper Lake reports wouldn't be the same without these two guys!



Juli, tell me something ... are you from Orlando or Tallahassee? In the Disney reports, where you are also getting beat up, you say you are from Tallahassee, yet in here you say Orlando. Which is it?



Joe, you need to go find a life. Stalking David from report to report, ever since he exposed you for the wife beater you are, shows lack of class. Grow up.



BTW, David and Jim. An internet friend of mine for the past 6 years finally got to make a trip from Atlanta out here to Phoenix to visit me last week. As we were talking over coffee, I mentioned how I love reading RipOffReport and the Tupper Lake stuff in here. He looked at me and said: "A good friend of mine is from that town! What's the URL so I can tell him how to find the reports?" Heh, small world isn't it.



If you ever get to Phoenix David, get my info from ED and we'll do lunch. :)



...Laughing my a*s off with David...
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#216 Consumer Comment

David

AUTHOR: Joe - (Canada)

Is that the best you got David?. I did at one point think you were gifted albeit just abit more than jim at dishing out a response. David you have let me down. Hey David just so ya know I am not a wife beater or child abuser ya moron, only a rumor creating a*****e like you would take the words of a rambling mother who has lost all custody to be true. David knows nothing of child welfare or what is involved after a court case like mine was won, maybe juli could enlighten him(educate). You see their david boy after a father is awarded sole custody the first thing that happenes is every child welfare organization you can imagine starts to check you out, so if I was what you say moron I would not have sole custody, so take your lame a*s comments and eat them for all I care. Hey david remember the american dream thing mentioned above lol, pretty hard for you living in that trailor isn't it ha ha ha ha. Davids little soap here right boy. Just so the true meaning of this site is not lost please read the following words,Chanell Fournier of Tupper Lake NY abused her 3 week old son. She through him into a 3 foot tall snow bank and just left him there crying
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#217 Consumer Comment

Juli, s**t you will never get the best of me!

AUTHOR: Jim - (U.S.A.)

Juli,



I am telling you one thing girlie, if you ever had sex with me you sure wouldn't go back to your husband, because I would make you scream sooo hard your vocal chords would be sore. I don't have to lie about my monkey because I have nothing to hide. Oh, as for it being soft, stinky, and small, that is definately a fabrication from start to finish. My one eyed snake would eat your p***y cat up for lunch Juli. Well, I will tell you that no matter what you post about me on here you will certainly lose against me so you might just want to stop this non-sense before I embarrass you further. I would still like to wrestle with you my sweet little frog. I am dying to here from you! XXX OOO
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#218 Consumer Comment

Tupper Lake's evolutionary decline

AUTHOR: Mike - (U.S.A.)

To everyone here,



I am originally from Tupper Lake, and know from experience that the town has declined in both integrity, and intelligence. For example, if you were disliked by someone growing up, who later became a police officer, you would have been driven from the town by numerous false charges. Although that was not my reason for leaving, I know that this has happened in the past.



People like this woman who threw her child in the s****. />

People in power in this community are partly responsible for these types of circumstances. Although I haven't been there for years, I know many of these individuals who hold local government positions, and my trust is limited when referring to their actual performance of the duties the public has entrusted them with. This town is just as corrupt as many third world Asian countries, but they are able to cover it up much better than the Asians.



I am assuming that this woman that committed such a terrible crime came from a family that was branded by many as being a low life before she was even old enough to read, just because of the family she came from. As for bar hopping, and alcoholism, which is rampant in Tupper Lake, there are few opportunities or alternatives for people there. The norm is going out and drinking (the locals refer to this as a good time). Most of whom learned this behavior in High School, and it continues to dominate their lives.



This response was not prepared, and please don't misinterpret what I write to be an unsolvable criticism of specific individuals. I only write it after reading the numerous responses of individuals on this site. Hopefully, some of you will be able to identify some of these problems and do something about it. Also, for those of you that appear to be only bickering about this issue; please don't use this as a part of the "poor me" syndrome.



Good luck to everyone. I hope you can fix what has become a huge adirondack dump, and restore it to the wonderful place I grew up in.
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#219 Consumer Suggestion

And the crap continues... the Tupper Lake rumor mill...

AUTHOR: Juli - (U.S.A.)

Jimbo..I have one thing to say...based on information from the Tupper Lake rumor mill...

are you SURE that is your "Monkey" you speak of or did your navel (belly button..in language you can understand) take a crap? Cuz word around there has it that its small, soft and stinks real bad. Just wondering.



GO ahead, muster up whatever kind of reply you can think of, because like you said before ..you ARE NO MATCH FOR ME. My fiance is 6'6" and could be a linebacker for the TB Bucs so you really don't want to start comparing earth worms (yours) to Anacondas (his). And for the record..for all the other middle of the road average sized guys out there....it really doesn't matter how big your "monkey" is...as long is you are a pleasure to BE with. Jim is a classic example...he CLAIMS to be all huge in the penile department...but he has the personality of sandpaper! Who the HELL would want to be close to him for even 2 seconds much less ..in his case..2 minutes?! And if you really ARE as well endowed as you say you are Jimbo...so what...you are a JERK in every other realm so honestly...why would any women want to put up with your crappy, abusive personality just because you claim to have a big "monkey"...when they can go buy one in the store with batteries included..and they can JUST get the "monkey" not have to put up with the "d**k" attached to it.



I am done. I know you are going to post some ridiculously stupid reply. Not that mine was much higher on the maturity level..but hey...it IS kinda funny to see someone like you getting a taste of his own medicine. Not too funny when YOU are the BUTT of the joke, now is it Jimbo.
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#220 Consumer Comment

Moron

AUTHOR: Joe - (Canada)

As much as I don't like David he is more gifted up-top than Jim if you know what I mean. Jim you insult juli because she makes you feel like a moron, you can't handle a woman with some brains can you?. I love it when my wife chalenges me in a conversation, jim can you handle being challenged by a female?(lord knows you don't have a wife). In reality, jim most likely could not handle a semi-intelligant conversation for more that thirty seconds, thats why he posts the shite he does he simply cannot conger a response smart enough to stay on topic. Jim showing the world your grade 3 education, and your diploma from acme only hurts your case idiot. Go ahead jim pick on my spelling you predictable loser better yet say some shite about my wife(lol I have the american dream a*****e, you will never know that feeling). Juli jim has turned the true meaning of this site away, Nice try jim I guess I shall remind the new readers of this bunk that the purpose of this site is to reveal that Chanell Fournier of Tupper Lake New York is a dead beat child abuser and she hangs with losers like jim, showing no signs of improving her life(existance). How do you like them apples jim(lol).
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#221 Consumer Comment

Timmy, Timmy, I fear no-one my little fool!

AUTHOR: Jim - (U.S.A.)

Tim,



Geez, I have said this before my pet turtle, I am not afraid of anybody alright. I will meet you Tim if you would like, because I could give two shits of how big you are. The bigger you are, the harder you fall buddy. I have never been beaten up my dear pet turtle. You see there really is nothing to fear but fear itself. Eventually Timmy we will all die so it is just a matter of time of when, and how. Most people fear death but I don't, my little piss ant. So if you really want to mess with me my foolish friend I can't be responsible for what happens after we meet. Peace out, brother!
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#222 Consumer Comment

Just call me cupid

AUTHOR: David - (U.S.A.)

Well I'm glad I brought Juli (the backstroking self proclaimed God) and Joe (the wife and child abuser) together. A match made in hell. Jeeez I dont know what else to say as I cant seem to drop to your levels. How about neener neener neener! Im flattered in your interest in my $(%$*%($* Juli. Perhaps when Joe spits it out you can take your turn. Your idiotic posts are just a smokescreen to get the heat off of you both. Heat being Joe is a wife and child abuser and Juli is a lil tin goddess who thinks shes all but isnt. Juli your nothing but a "lolohi lughine". I'm laughing at your intelect as it appears to be disappearing. Joe I'm going to treat you like the fart you are. If I ignore you the smell will finally fade away.



Check you later Manuku's

PS Karma is GREAT!!!! LMAO
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#223 Consumer Comment

Juli, you are funny, NOT! I have a python thank you!

AUTHOR: Jim - (U.S.A.)

Juli,



s**t, you crack me up girlie! I hate to say it but their is nothing small or short about "Jake" thank you. I have to roll him up at night before bed or he gets all tangled up. On a serious note though, by no stretch of the imagination is he small. I have never ever had a woman that I had made love with complain. Juli, just because your man doesn't satisfy you don't mean you have to try to cut me down sexually. Hey Let's get a picture of your mans monkey and I will take a picture of mine and we will compare on here and see just whose is bigger and more intimidating to the female species. I bet I could make you so wet that you would creme yourself. Anyway, girlie, you are no match for me and as for my mother, I have never had a problem with her, but as for the kinds of women out in society, they are all the same, users looking for the easy road. Tah tah darling, xxx ooo
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#224 Consumer Comment

In Response To Jimbo

AUTHOR: Tim - (U.S.A.)

Yes Jim,

You're right. It's obvious from reading your schoolyard posts that you are indeed very intelligent. (sarcasm)

I'd be careful if I were you.

Calling someone out who lives so close could end you up face to face with that person and believe me..the outcome would be much different than the image you're trying to portray on the internet.

In my experiences, those who bark loud knowing there aren't any consequnces have a much different attitude when they're face to face.

believe me, I'm sure theres nothing the people who've posted here in concern for the child would like better than to hear about how common trash like you and the people you defend, Chanel, getting exactly what you deserve.

Call it, "hillbilly justice" if you like.
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#225 Consumer Suggestion

Tupper Lake has become a STATE of Confusion all by itself-of which Jim THINKS he is GOVERNOR ...

AUTHOR: Juli - (U.S.A.)

Jim, you can try and compensate for your "short"comings and personaliy flaws by insulting me and anyone else on here who obviously has more gray matter than you could ever dream of holding inside that empty space you call a cranium.



And yes, I did decide to post again. However once was in reply to David. NOT you.



Besides, women have a right to change their minds. And you can bash women all you want, I am sorry you and your mother did not have a good relationship. Don't take it out on ALL women. You should know better...SHOULD being the operative word here.



IN closing, I would like to say that the more you spew on here, the more cognitively challenged you present yourself to be. Others have noticed it as well.



Jim, I am woman enough to know that Y chromosome dominant individuals (I refuse to call you a MAN, as you have failed to present yourself to be real one) like yourself will ALWAYS need to have the last word in any type of debate. This comes from a need to overcompensate for a short $(%$*%($*. They make implants for that tho, so why don't you venture down THAT avenue and address your REAL issue instead of trying to insult everyone who does not see the world through your mutated view.



Oh and one more thing, Jimbo. At least MY family tree has branches, unlike yours, which could explain that birth defect. But like I said, they make implants and penile pumps for that problem you have.



aloha and IF I so choose, I will reply again. But only if I FEEL it is worth the time and energy to do so. Most often, however it is simply for comic relief, as you have become the jester of this website, Jimbo. And Dave as well.
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#226 Consumer Comment

Juli, I am mayor of Tupper Lake not Governor idiot!

AUTHOR: Jim - (U.S.A.)

Juli my precious bullfrog,



I am sorry to tell you that the world DOES revolve around me and if you don't like it, oh well, I have no control over your pathetic existence. I do want to say that I am very smart and don't need a spell checker or dictionary for everyday life like you do sweety. I have an idea baby, why don't we get face to face and have a wrestling match. We can have winner takes all and can settle our differences my precious bullfrog. Juli, you never told me if you shaved or if you were naturally hairy.



You told David and I that you were done responding before and you just responded. Females have difficulties keeping their tongues in their mouth in more ways than one. Tah Tah darling!
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#227 Consumer Comment

jim, I admit I spell a lot of words wrong and guess what I could care less

AUTHOR: Joe - (Canada)

Yes jim spelling is most definatly my worst subject, I admit I spell a lot of words wrong and guess what I could care less. Because I can't spell does not make my my point less serious or true. I could not be bothered to first type it in ms office or works, run a spell checker, make changes blaa, blaa, blaa. I guess you could say my posts are more"human". David and me don't get along to well, you see David came on my site and took the side of the reported person, he simply could not believe what was typed and the doccuments that I had scanned into my site. David is a pain in the arse who needs this attention. I bet David is really a woman, maby another deadbeat mother hidding her tru identity, what about it david from bullshit city. As for you jim you have the right to do as you wish, go ahead and be with a crack w***e. Look at her picture she looks like she has been out turning tricks all night, wow I would stick up for her too. Jim doing the things she has done makes it impossible to stick up for her, and yet you do. I guess maybe your just like her?. People do however change as I recently learned with my deadbeat mother situation, It is possible for this woman to change and I hope everyone who reads this site agrees to that. If she is a changed person maybe she could post a heads up, tell how she is a different person. I wish jim all the luck in the world seriously, maybe this will work out for the best. As for David he can honk on bo-bo.
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#228 Consumer Suggestion

Tupper Lake's new form of government: IDIOCRACY!

AUTHOR: Juli - (U.S.A.)

I know not ALL of Tupper Lake is as ignorant as Jim presents him/herself to be. Its just a shame that Jim, who seems to have taken on the role of Tupper Lake Governor here on this site, does not have the cognitive ability to see beyond his own limited perspective of what he thinks is a Jimnocentric world.



Jim...the world does NOT revolve around you or your intellectual other half, David from Bullhead City. In fact, the site is blessed with both of your comments, for nothing else but comic relief.



If you put both your narrowminded brains together, you STILL wouldn't have half a brain to post anything with any type of lucid thought or logic.



And to David, people are ALLOWED to have opinions..check your Constitution dude. Of course NO ONE can TPR a parent for simply verbally abusing their child..but people CAN have opinions about what SHOULD happen to those who keep squirting out children they either don't want or cannot take care of for whatever reason.



THAT was why I made the comment I made. You take things too literally, David.



And JOE from Canada..MAHALO(thanks) brah for the compliments and the support. IT is good to see that at least SOME people on here have intelligence and reason.



At any rate, I refuse to feed into any more of Jim and Dave's nonsense. I will, however, leave with this one parting thought..

Jim? Dave? Did your parents raise you to be a**holes or have your personalities degenerated over the years? Perhaps like someone else said in an earlier post, its something in the water up there. May I suggest you try some Zephyrhills spring water? Its purity might clease some of those toxins out.



Of course, if worse comes to worse, the Tupper Lake stoners can always just start growing their own Dope plants...plant Dave and Jim in the ground and water every now and then. And then they can hold a lottery on who will grow into the biggest DOPE? Seems like a close race now, doesn't it folks?



You bash me...I can dish it right back to ya, braddah Jimbo...

Aloha
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#229 Consumer Comment

As Tupper Lake Turns

AUTHOR: Jim - (U.S.A.)

Joe Blow from Ontario!



Geez dude, you really need to go back to school and learn how to spell. First of all, why are you going to bash David-Bullhead because he speaks the truth and isn't afraid of telling people. David and I have had our fights on this site too but we have realized that we both have good points and bad points. You on the other hand don't have any good points but all bad points. As for Juli, huh, she is about as smart as a frog trying to cross a busy street. She ultimately gets crunched by a vehicle because of how intelligent she isn't. Well I guess I have said my peice and I shall continue to post TRUE stories of corruption and wrong doings in the continuing saga of "As Tupper Lake Turns".
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#230 Consumer Comment

As Tupper Lake Turns

AUTHOR: Jim - (U.S.A.)

Joe Blow from Ontario!



Geez dude, you really need to go back to school and learn how to spell. First of all, why are you going to bash David-Bullhead because he speaks the truth and isn't afraid of telling people. David and I have had our fights on this site too but we have realized that we both have good points and bad points. You on the other hand don't have any good points but all bad points. As for Juli, huh, she is about as smart as a frog trying to cross a busy street. She ultimately gets crunched by a vehicle because of how intelligent she isn't. Well I guess I have said my peice and I shall continue to post TRUE stories of corruption and wrong doings in the continuing saga of "As Tupper Lake Turns".
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#231 Consumer Comment

As Tupper Lake Turns

AUTHOR: Jim - (U.S.A.)

Joe Blow from Ontario!



Geez dude, you really need to go back to school and learn how to spell. First of all, why are you going to bash David-Bullhead because he speaks the truth and isn't afraid of telling people. David and I have had our fights on this site too but we have realized that we both have good points and bad points. You on the other hand don't have any good points but all bad points. As for Juli, huh, she is about as smart as a frog trying to cross a busy street. She ultimately gets crunched by a vehicle because of how intelligent she isn't. Well I guess I have said my peice and I shall continue to post TRUE stories of corruption and wrong doings in the continuing saga of "As Tupper Lake Turns".
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#232 Consumer Comment

Not representative of Tupper Lake

AUTHOR: Maureen - (U.S.A.)

I am writing from Palm City, FL, where I now live with my husband and 2 yr. old son. I was born and raised in Tupper Lake, NY, and I am proud of it. I left several years ago, but I hope to go home one day with my family.



This is in response to the comments written by some people out there who, admittedly, know nothing about Tupper Lake, yet seem to think that this particular incident and the comments that it has spawned are reflective of the entire town. (These rebuttals were supposedly in response to the "Channel Fournier child abuse issue.")



First of all, I can say that I, too, am appalled by what this young girl did to her baby. My son is my life, and I cannot imagine ever harming him in any way. There is undeniably something wrong with this girl.



Unfortunately, there are too many "babies having babies" in this world. It happens in Tupper Lake, and it happens everywhere else in the world. If you don't believe that, then you (collectively) are the ignorant ones. This certainly is not an incident that is unique to Tupper Lake. Most of the people in Tupper Lake are normal, friendly, hardworking and good people, and this one person is certainly not representative of the townspeople as a whole. You should also consider that the majority of these "letters/rebuttals, etc." are being written by teens or very young adults. I believe that is obvious from the usage of profanity, name calling and general adolescent tone of the comments being made.



Yes, I believe that this incident was child abuse. Yes, I believe that this "child" should have her child taken away. Yes, I believe that she needs help. It makes me terribly sad for the baby and for any future children that she will, unfortunately, probably have.



However, do not judge an entire community by the actions and comments of the few. It is not right, and this itself is ignorance on your part.



Lastly, a comment specifically directed to Mike in San Diego. I find it interesting that you seem to think that everyone in Tupper Lake is illiterate based solely on these letters written to this rebuttal page. As an aside, I had to send several emails to one of my husband's former girlfriends and some of her friends (as they had tapped into our email account illegally). These women and men were all from the San Diego and El Cajon areas, and their responses were not only juvenile, but TOTALLY illiterate, not to mention that they have NO sense of the correct usage of grammar. What made that really scary is that most of these people were in their 40s! I do not judge California based on that experience, so please do my hometown the same courtesy.
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#233 Consumer Comment

juli

AUTHOR: Joe - (Afghanistan)

Juli you are a educated person, ignore David. David feeds off of this site and many, many others(do a search with just david their is countless results with this idiot posting shite). David makes lame a*s comments to get a reaction period, he needs this. As stated in previous postings on various sites I honestly believe david lives in a trailor park with his mother, right beside the girl who has tested 30 guys on jerry springer for paternity. David is the kind of guy who has no balls unless he is behind his comp screen, otherwise why would he make the statments he does?. David has no real experience with these topics, if he did he would not make the comments he does. David has shown a strong tendacy to take the side of the reported person or try to bash the reportee and take their side at the same time. The truly sad part is that as a cival society we need morons like this, why I cannot say and do not care to think of a reason. Juli keep up the good work and maby get a chuckle or three when he bashes me and my site(he will do this he is so predictable). Kudoos to juli.

Laughing my a*s of in Canada.



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AUTHOR: Joe - (Afghanistan)

Juli you are a educated person, ignore David. David feeds off of this site and many, many others(do a search with just david their is countless results with this idiot posting shite). David makes lame a*s comments to get a reaction period, he needs this. As stated in previous postings on various sites I honestly believe david lives in a trailor park with his mother, right beside the girl who has tested 30 guys on jerry springer for paternity. David is the kind of guy who has no balls unless he is behind his comp screen, otherwise why would he make the statments he does?. David has no real experience with these topics, if he did he would not make the comments he does. David has shown a strong tendacy to take the side of the reported person or try to bash the reportee and take their side at the same time. The truly sad part is that as a cival society we need morons like this, why I cannot say and do not care to think of a reason. Juli keep up the good work and maby get a chuckle or three when he bashes me and my site(he will do this he is so predictable). Kudoos to juli.

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AUTHOR: Joe - (Afghanistan)

Juli you are a educated person, ignore David. David feeds off of this site and many, many others(do a search with just david their is countless results with this idiot posting shite). David makes lame a*s comments to get a reaction period, he needs this. As stated in previous postings on various sites I honestly believe david lives in a trailor park with his mother, right beside the girl who has tested 30 guys on jerry springer for paternity. David is the kind of guy who has no balls unless he is behind his comp screen, otherwise why would he make the statments he does?. David has no real experience with these topics, if he did he would not make the comments he does. David has shown a strong tendacy to take the side of the reported person or try to bash the reportee and take their side at the same time. The truly sad part is that as a cival society we need morons like this, why I cannot say and do not care to think of a reason. Juli keep up the good work and maby get a chuckle or three when he bashes me and my site(he will do this he is so predictable). Kudoos to juli.

Laughing my a*s of in Canada.



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juli

AUTHOR: Joe - (Afghanistan)

Juli you are a educated person, ignore David. David feeds off of this site and many, many others(do a search with just david their is countless results with this idiot posting shite). David makes lame a*s comments to get a reaction period, he needs this. As stated in previous postings on various sites I honestly believe david lives in a trailor park with his mother, right beside the girl who has tested 30 guys on jerry springer for paternity. David is the kind of guy who has no balls unless he is behind his comp screen, otherwise why would he make the statments he does?. David has no real experience with these topics, if he did he would not make the comments he does. David has shown a strong tendacy to take the side of the reported person or try to bash the reportee and take their side at the same time. The truly sad part is that as a cival society we need morons like this, why I cannot say and do not care to think of a reason. Juli keep up the good work and maby get a chuckle or three when he bashes me and my site(he will do this he is so predictable). Kudoos to juli.

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#237 Consumer Comment

The Madder J_Orlando gets, the weaker her position!

AUTHOR: David - (U.S.A.)

And yet again a Tiraid of rubbish and backstroking comes from J-Orlando's keyboard. I thought you said you were not going to respond anymore? I guess Jim was right about you also. Now we have this latest piece of BS from you TRYING to clean up your act convincing us of what a great person you are. Lets see and I quote "Anyone who would call a baby a "bi**h" and tell it to "shut the FU** UP" needs to have their parental rights terminated and their tubes cut tied and burned!" Tubes cut and burned heh? Oh yeah that sounds like a proffesional and whats funniest you make this statement based soley on the evidence provided in the Tupper Lake soap opera. Now I might buy that comming out of Jims mouth or even my own as I dont claim to be a professional but comming out of yours is a different matter. Cut her tubes and burn them jeebas!!! All your doing is verifying the abuse parents and children suffer from agencys like yours and like I said all the evidence you need is because someone said something in a post and identified themselves as "ole friend". Cant you see how ridiculous you sound. All you have shown is you throw a sissy fit and are out to get anyone you can. Hey how about this one> J-Orlando is a child abuser. Now everyone call Orlando and tell on her cause your read it here. If you dont then your going to jail. Your an idiot and a control freak. You started out saying "ALL" of Tupper lake and when you got called on it you tried to backstroke as you keep trying to now. Your credibility is about zero now J-Orlando. Oh and one more thing no one gives a rats a*s about your French Polynesian ancestry. WTF does race have to do with it.
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#238 Consumer Suggestion

This is CRAZY!

AUTHOR: E - (U.S.A.)

Here I was looking up my DVD player and discovered a story about a little baby in the snow. I feel terrible for this little boy but since when does this have anything to do with bad business? I hope everything works out for the best for all of you in Tuper Lake. The best thing you all can do to end this is to stop responding! As for the viewers of this real life soap opera if you really feel terrible for this baby, take action! All this chat does nothing. I should not have posted a response but I couldn't help it. It really is just like the Springer show and I just let myself get sucked in. I pray that all the parties involved mange to get themselves together and the little boy stays with his father if he is taken care of there.
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#239 Consumer Suggestion

David from Bullhead....read about Community Based Care...Privatized Child Welfare...NOT DCF you idiot!

AUTHOR: Juli - (U.S.A.)

For the record, I am responding to Dave and DAVE ONLY..not that other mindless creep...Jed..Jip...no no Jim that was it...ANYWAYS..DAVE



true enough ..DCF in the state of FL has been a MESS in the past. Areas like Miami mainly and Pinellas County ...even Orlando has had its issues at times.



However I must tell you that I am employed by what WAS DCF...and you really should look up Privatized Child Welfare...more commonly called Community Based Care, and see the quality of services WE provide...WE set the standard for DCF and in fact, it is because of us that Jeb Bush wants the entire state to be privatized by the end of the year! So, before you go bashing the work I or any of my coworkers do...KNOW who it is you are talking about FIRST. WE are NOT DCF..we DON'T LOSE KIDS...nor do we falsify our home visit documentations (ie what happened with Rilya Wilson in Miami)



And I NEVER SAID that by reading THIS thread and not calling the police you can go to jail...IF YOU WILL USE YOUR READING COMPREHENSION SKILLS..I WAS REFERRING TO THOSE INDIVIDUALS WHO HAVE BLATANTLY POSTED ON HERE THAT THEY HAVE WITNESSED OR HAVE GOOD CAUSE TO SUSPECT certain people of child abuse, namely CHANEL of CURRENLY ABUSING HER 7 month old!!! THAT PERSON needs to call 1800 96 ABUSE ..it is confidential and that baby may be saved from the abusive wrath of Chanelle..who obviously HAS NO CLUE what it means to be a loving and nurturing mother. Anyone who would call a baby a "bi**h" and tell it to "shut the FU** UP" needs to have their parental rights terminated and their tubes cut tied and burned!



READ David...before jumping to conclusions about what I said. You confused the facts. These threads CAN be printed and sent to her case manager, and the courts as PROOF that she is not in compliance with her case plan tasks..as she blatantly talks about being in Mud Puddles..(whatever crack head named that place is an idiot!) which obviously violates at least ONE of her tasks on her case plan.



THAT is what I meant by this thread being admissable in court during a Judicial Review hearing. Again, educate yourself..HEARSAY is admissable..but this is not hearsay..SHE WAS DUMB enough to type it out in TEXT so..it become hard copy that can be submitted to CWLS (Child Welfare Legal Services) and submitted to the judge.



Again, this reply was SOLEY to correct David's ignorant error and misinformation..and to set the record straight..

CIAO...
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#240 Consumer Comment

I CAN'T BELIEVE THIS

AUTHOR: Tracy - (U.S.A.)

Hi, I can't believe what I am reading on this site. I used to live in Tupper. When I lived there I didn't here or read stories like this. Is this all people have to do in Tupper now a days. Tupper was a very friendly place and everyone new everyone. I loved living there and still miss it.



I don't know if all these stories are true, but think people need to grow up and mind their own business. Everybody needs to check their own closets before bad mouthing outher people,cause i'm sure you all have skeltons in your closets also. GROW UP AND GET A LIFE.

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#241 Consumer Comment

The baby boy (little boy now) is fine so drop the issue!

AUTHOR: Jim - (U.S.A.)

Laurie,



First, I would like to see a nice fight between you and Chanell because you would probably get smacked silly and look really dumb. Corinna, as I have told you before keep your lips off the cows udders, geez, oh, I see you became a menonite and gave up being amish huh? I guess you got sick of taking a bath in the creek once a week and were lost without electricity. Well, I would just like to say that David and myself are actually very smart and just tell it like it is. Joe blow, I am criminal justice major and know the law thank you. I also work for N.Y. State and have great job no matter what some brainless wonders may say. Finally, I have reached Timmys post. I know how to spell idiot so you don't have to give me lessons. I have got more sense in my big toe than you have in your entire body. I am soooo sick of hipocrites who talk s**t about other people just to make themselves feel better about themselves. Listen, I have an idea, if any of you have a problem with Chanell or me(Jim), we will either come visit you or you can come visit us and we can deal with this issue face to face. Sound good.
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#242 Consumer Comment

Tim your entitled to your opinion even tho its misplaced

AUTHOR: David - (U.S.A.)

But first Tim have you done any research into Florida CPS? Perhaps a gander at a report from the NATIONAL COALITION FOR CHILD PROTECTION REFORM by By Richard Wexler, Executive Director, National Coalition for Child Protection Reform and his views of that corrupt system entitled "Shadow on the Sunshine State". How Florida's war against child abuse became a war against children. After reading it come back and make a qualified rebuttal. Until then I see no intellectual peers to look down my nose at. Yes the real issue is the baby. According to J- Orlando you can be charged for reading this report and not calling the police. If you side with this idiot and her rantings of grandure then so be it but it surley if you do you are not even close to being my intellectual peer. Throwing everyone in jail as Florida CPS does wont help the child. As you are obviously misinformed I will refrain from flaming you back until you do some further investigating. Until then Peace Out sir and thank you for your previous support.
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#243 Consumer Comment

Re; Juli

AUTHOR: Joe - (Canada)

I like this girl, Juli stays on topic and has a working knowledge of the law (real law) that is lacking in 90% of these posts. Juli keep telling the truth and the way it is. Juli some people have their own ideas of the child-welfare act or whatever it is called in the states, some of these Ideas make good sence but are simply incorrect. As to the reported mother, It is your duty as a parent to always be looking out for your child's best interest. If you fail to do this you can and some day will be held accountable both in society and in the courts. Before you make the same mistakes as you have in the past I urge you to take a long hard look in the mirror and see if your up to this parent thing.
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#244 Consumer Comment

Kudos to Juli

AUTHOR: Corinna - (U.S.A.)

Juli from Orlando, just wanted to say that everything you said went right over Jim and Dave's head, but you are completely right on everything you posted. Jim and Dave, you are both completely brainless.
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#245 Consumer Comment

David from AZ..

AUTHOR: Tim - (U.S.A.)

Listen David,



In your earlier posts concerning this topic, you could'nt have been more spot on. I agreed with most everything you had to say and even expressed my support.



But that was earlier in the thread.



It seems you've degenerated into an argumentative, lack luster part of the equation who's miserable attempts to be the court jester are becoming painful to watch.

I am certain, given your recent track record on this topic, that if you were a Tupper Lake native..You would be directly in the middle of this fiasco right along with Jim and Chanel.

So please refrain from looking down your nose at your intellectual peers.



J-Orlando.

I think you and only a few others who've replied to this topic have the real issue in mind.

That is the child and it's current welfare.

Yes Jim, it's "welfare" not "welfair".

Keep up the good work J-Orlando and remember, with all the insults being hurled your way for trying to focus on the real issue...

Let them pass by you because in the end,

Jim and David's grammar school insults are evidence of their taking the shortcut to thinking.
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#246 Consumer Comment

Juli, I didn't think they allowed same sex marriage in Florida!

AUTHOR: Jim - (U.S.A.)

Juli,



Boy, I am surprised that I am actually having the last word with a female. Yeehaw, I won an argument with a female, I best mark it on the calender. Juli-bear, I am disappointed that you think I am David-from Bullhead City because when I post something, I post under Jim-from Tupper Lake and nothing else, o.k.! Oh Juli I am just opinionated and let people know whats on my mind and that is why funky people get on here and try to bash me, but I always have the last laugh. You will never win an argument with me or make me look as bad as I make you look. Juli, I guarantee you can't keep your mouth shut and will make a new post, you are a female and it's in your nature to be a "b***h" Juli, give your fiancee my condolences for he will need them when he marries you. Goodbye, my love! LMAO
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#247 Consumer Comment

Juli, I didn't think they allowed same sex marriage in Florida!

AUTHOR: Jim - (U.S.A.)

Juli,



Boy, I am surprised that I am actually having the last word with a female. Yeehaw, I won an argument with a female, I best mark it on the calender. Juli-bear, I am disappointed that you think I am David-from Bullhead City because when I post something, I post under Jim-from Tupper Lake and nothing else, o.k.! Oh Juli I am just opinionated and let people know whats on my mind and that is why funky people get on here and try to bash me, but I always have the last laugh. You will never win an argument with me or make me look as bad as I make you look. Juli, I guarantee you can't keep your mouth shut and will make a new post, you are a female and it's in your nature to be a "b***h" Juli, give your fiancee my condolences for he will need them when he marries you. Goodbye, my love! LMAO
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#248 Consumer Comment

Juli, I didn't think they allowed same sex marriage in Florida!

AUTHOR: Jim - (U.S.A.)

Juli,



Boy, I am surprised that I am actually having the last word with a female. Yeehaw, I won an argument with a female, I best mark it on the calender. Juli-bear, I am disappointed that you think I am David-from Bullhead City because when I post something, I post under Jim-from Tupper Lake and nothing else, o.k.! Oh Juli I am just opinionated and let people know whats on my mind and that is why funky people get on here and try to bash me, but I always have the last laugh. You will never win an argument with me or make me look as bad as I make you look. Juli, I guarantee you can't keep your mouth shut and will make a new post, you are a female and it's in your nature to be a "b***h" Juli, give your fiancee my condolences for he will need them when he marries you. Goodbye, my love! LMAO
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#249 Consumer Comment

Juli, I didn't think they allowed same sex marriage in Florida!

AUTHOR: Jim - (U.S.A.)

Juli,



Boy, I am surprised that I am actually having the last word with a female. Yeehaw, I won an argument with a female, I best mark it on the calender. Juli-bear, I am disappointed that you think I am David-from Bullhead City because when I post something, I post under Jim-from Tupper Lake and nothing else, o.k.! Oh Juli I am just opinionated and let people know whats on my mind and that is why funky people get on here and try to bash me, but I always have the last laugh. You will never win an argument with me or make me look as bad as I make you look. Juli, I guarantee you can't keep your mouth shut and will make a new post, you are a female and it's in your nature to be a "b***h" Juli, give your fiancee my condolences for he will need them when he marries you. Goodbye, my love! LMAO
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#250 Consumer Comment

Sick, Sick, Sick...

AUTHOR: Laurie - (U.S.A.)

I was actually trying to pay some bills at 1:00 in the morning and somehow I ran across this website. I noticed the title, mother abuses 3 week old infant. That made me want to vomit. My husband and I have 4 children ranging from age 12 to 6 months. Whenever I hear of people, much less a "mother" abusing a child it absolutely infuriates me to my boiling point. I read about 1/3 of the comments before I couldn't read anymore. This Chanell needs one thing, a big kick in the a*s along with plenty of time in prison with some nice big women to help her "see the light". I don't know her but I can tell you I hate her with such a passion it's indescribable. Any person who can do that to an innocent child deserves it done back to them 1,000 fold. I would be happy to be the one to teach her a lesson she would never forget. Is she so tough that the only way of proving it is to take it out on an innocent child? Any time, any place if you feel brave enough I'll be happy to put you in the place you belong....HELL...

Utterly disguisted with this thing (she doesn't deserved to be called a person)....
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#251 Consumer Suggestion

Jim and his many selves

AUTHOR: Juli - (U.S.A.)

David, Jim, a jerk by any other name is still a jerk.



I am not going to respond to any more of your insulting posts.

Because, I am too intelligent to stoop to your level, and quite frankly, I REFUSE TO HAVE A BATTLE OF WITS WITH AN UNARMED PERSON..it just wouldn't be fair to you.



Aloha and farewell... have fun wallowing in your negative and malicious ways Jim/Dave



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#252 Consumer Suggestion

Shelly, my apologies

AUTHOR: Juli - (U.S.A.)

Shelly, I never meant to generalize about Tupper Lake, I was only speaking to and about those who seem to care more about the happenings at that place you call Mud Puddles, and all the affairs between this one's boyfriend and that one's wife rather than focus on reporting instances of child abuse. I have read thru posts that very descriptively describe serious neglect and abuse...and it is to THOSE people I was referring. Shelly, you seem to be unlike the majority there in Tupper.



And at least YOUR children will know what its like to have a safe, nurturing hard working Mom. So I apologize if you got swooped up into the blanket statement I was making...like I said, to the parents who KNOW how to parent..like you Shelly...I have no issue. Keep up the great work and I just hope that maybe someone up there can learn by your example.



Now ...Jimbo...you know, I really don't even think your last post deserves the kinetic engergy involved in typing a reply..however I will grant you this one bit of advice. Get therapy. You are extremely hystrionic, and spew verbal diarrhea from that area under your nose.



You can think what you like Jimbo, but compare your posts to mine, and the intelligence will speak for itself.



I will not post my pic on here, as you are quite obviously living up to your reputation as an Internet Voyeur. Sorry, your eyes WILL NOT be blessed with the image of my face. Beside, my fiance says that my picture should not be published on sites like this, in case some whacko like you should come across it.



With French Polynesian ancestry ..trust me I am not like you described me, but again, you are not and never WILL BE privy to such information.



Besides..on a thread like this..WHO CARE WHAT ANYONE LOOKS LIKE...this is about a poor child who was abused by an incompetent mother and now she has spawned and brought forth another poor innocent victim. SOMEONE NEEDS TO STEP UP AND either get Chan the serious help she desperately needs..or TAKE BOTH HER KIDS AWAY permanently.



And to David in Bullhead, AZ or wherever the heck you are from...as part of the Judicial Review process, which happens every 6 and nine months after a case is opened to Protective Services, hearsay IS admissable...and so are the printouts from forums like this, where the mother blatantly admits to being in bars and participating in things that are against her case plan orders.



Educate yourself on child welfare law BEFORE you approach me again with your ignorant insults.



Farewell Tupper Lake...you are in my prayers.

I have far better things to do with my life than to try and talk any sense into some of the mindless ignorants that seem to have taken over this board. Namely Jim Lavair..the Interenet Voyeur.



A good psych. eval might do the trick, Jimbo. And from the looks of your various nommes de plume...you must have multiple personality disorder as well. Nothing a little EST won't help control.



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#253 Consumer Comment

J-Orlando should have a case manager.

AUTHOR: David - (U.S.A.)

Your a crack pot for sure J-Orlando. Yes by all means call the Tupper Lake police dept and tell them that someone who calls thierself "ole friend" read an email and didnt report it. You dumbass twit. Orlando eh? If your a case manager its for Mickey Mouse and his buddies. I think I'll forward your ridiculous posts to Orlando so they can see what a total dipshit they have employed. The guilty always cry the loudest. Your probably a child abuser yourself. I'm sure Chanell's case worker is compitent and doesnt need any help with your obviously inbred a*s. Yep your one of the people who put the DUH in Floriduh. Sit down and shut your mouth. Case manager my a*s. If its true what a horrible disservice the State of Florida is doing to its children employing idiots like you. Ewww now go run to the cops and report me for telling everyone what they already know. LMAO@J-Orlando
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#254 Consumer Comment

Juli I bet your no prize yourself!

AUTHOR: Jim - (U.S.A.)

Juli,



I see you call Tupper Lake a swamp, haha, s**t what do you think Florida is? I bet you don't work for no child protective service but you are the new crocodile hunter. I bet you could wrestle crocodiles and win you bahama mama. Hey, lets see a pic of you, I am curious to see if you have python pipes for arms. Juli, I bet you don't shave your legs or arms do you? Juli, I think you should come to Tupper so I can show you around. Well I guess I will close for now but please include a pic, I am curious to see what you look like.
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#255 Consumer Comment

excuse me j- orlando

AUTHOR: Shelly - (U.S.A.)

I come to this site to read it when i am bored, I know these people somewhat and dont like what they have done. But what gets me mad is when you come on here and accuse everyone in tupper to be careless and unloving parents, let me tell you something j- orlando, i am a single parent i work hard to support my children and at the end of the day i would love nothing more than to just sit and relax, but there are boo-boos to be kissed, stories to be read, dinner to be fixed and baths to be given and then when they are safely tucked into bed then do i do what needs to be done around the house and then i get to relax a few minutes, how dare you come on here and accuse everyone in tupper lake of being a bad parent, because of chanelles actions, tupper has a reputation on this site i have to agree, that dont look very good. but some of us are hard workers, and caring loving parents that dont deserve to be stereo typed on this site. Just thought I'd clear that up for everyone.....shelly
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#256 Consumer Comment

oh ..the ignorance... I AM a case manager...READ WHAT I WROTE ..

AUTHOR: Juli - (U.S.A.)

I never said I HAVE a case manager you ingoramus!!! I AM a case manager...READ WHAT I WROTE ...AGAIN if you need to in order to comprehend what I said.



And there are ways that the Fed. govt. can obtain the identities of persons who post on this site.



Perhaps I wrote that post in a state of diress due to the ignorant and apathetic attitudes you al in Tupper Lake seem to have about how to live, and raise children. Personally, you all should be court ordered to have parenting classes and carry a LICENSE to bear any more offspring ..but the world does not operate that way.



No no, that would be an idealistic realm, one of which none of the likes of you would ever even begin to fathom or comprehend.



And you are right, the Governor may or may not respond to it, but there is ALWAYS a chance.



Even still, the fact remains that Jim Lavair along with many of the other babbling Tupper Lake incognicients (that thar is a word meaning "bullheaded dummies" ...if ya catch my drift..ifin' ye need a visual representation of one..try lookin in a local mirror)have displayed enough of their ignorance and apathy toward what is a very serious situation in Tupper Lake: child abuse and blatant substance abuse issues.



All I know is that I am glad I live thousands of miles from you creatures. I pray for the children...may God show mercy on the sperm and egg donors that brought them into the world.



I suggest you cease and desist with your attacks on me, and my position as a case manager..you know NOT what you speaketh, sir.



Keep in mind tho, that in MOST states NY being ONE OF THEM...if someone is found to have knowlege of child abuse and failed to report it...THEY get charged with failure to protect, failure to report and if they are a Mandated Reporter, ie a law enforcement officer, nurse, teacher, doctor, day care worker, or anyone else that works with children...THEY WILL be imprisioned as it is a law! Educate yourself on the Child Welfare laws, if you can understand the big words...but don't you dare insult me again you beer chuggin' 5th grade drop out!
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#257 Consumer Comment

J-Orlando You claim you have a case manager with CPS.

AUTHOR: David - (U.S.A.)

You claim you have a case manager with CPS. Im calling BS on that claim. If you were then you would know that any of these posts here would not be evidence. Your going to send this to the governer. Dont make me laugh. Do you think he would read all of this and act on anything? Probably not. Your going to press charges on someone who didnt even give thier name? What would you tell the police? Yeah right. Your a Dumbass J-Orlando and CPS would never hire an idiot like you. Your only saving grace is sticking up for Chanell's baby. Everything else that is running from your mouth is BS.
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#258 Consumer Suggestion

Jim, if you support such abuse, you are JUST as guilty of child abuse as Chanelle is!

AUTHOR: Juli - (U.S.A.)

Well, Jim..I am not a coward, I just did not think that those in Tupper Lake were able to read polysyllabic words so I kept it simple by just using my first initial.



Anyway, judge harshy I shall...as I am a case manager in the foster care system and I am sorry but anyone who tosses a child into a s****. />

Jim, based upon what I have read on Tupper Lake thus far, I understand that your choices for quality women are slim pickin's in "them thar parts" as you would say...but honestly, Jim, to openly admit in a public forum that you have had ANY intimate relationship with such a loser and a pathetic excuse for a parent as Chanelle is, you really must have a low self esteem. Or could it be that your ignorant, arrogant self is a borderline abuser as well. Hmmmm...perhaps.

You certainly are an instigator of chaos.



I just hope that everyone in Tupper Lake and all your little Tupperwhore parties will end. For God's sake and the sake of the children in that swamp you call a town....STOP having sex! You all are bringing innocent children into this world and NONE of you know how to raise them or parent them safely. The ONLY thing you all seem to know how to raise is the drama meter on the Rip Off Report.



Call Jerry Springer, perhaps you can at the very least make a profit off your pathetic existence.



I pray that Chanelle gets court ordered into a residential facility FARRRR away from you, and all the other negative influences she is around there. She is obviously a crack addict based on her photo...that or she just does not know how to take care of herself.



That baby she has now will be taken away...its just a matter of time. And she should have court ordered Norplant so no other poor children will be involuntarily brought into this world as a result of her sexual indiscretions.



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#259 Consumer Comment

J from Orlando Florida, I will do or say anything I wish outside of my state job!

AUTHOR: Jim - (U.S.A.)

J (Orlando Florida),



Why don't you put your full name tuff guy! I will do and say anything I please outside of my state job and nobody can say s**t about it. I can't be discriminated against because of my beliefs or my right to speech. So I suggest you keep to what you know or in your case what you don't know. Oh, and for anybody who doesn't know the situation should not judge Chanell harshly. I have been accused by her of putting her photo on here and yet I still stick up for her because I don't give up on people like some others do. I know Chanell very well as I have dated her and we lived together so I am well aware of her good qualities as well as some not so good. Anyway, J I think you are a coward and need to put your name as I am not afraid to post mine.
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#260 Consumer Comment

if youve got something to say...say it yourself !!!

AUTHOR: Amanda - (U.S.A.)

I just wanted to say that i have not been writing these reports that have been submitted in my name.Pretty much everyone in tupper lake knows that i am the only amanda that really hangs out with lavair and no matter what happens i dont go putting petty stuff about people on the internet.So whoevers using my name - (could it be cindy patterson...hmmm..) -WHOEVER it may be if youve really got something youve gotta say stop hiding behind my name and use your own!!!
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#261 Consumer Suggestion

If she is still abusing her daughter REPORT HER!

AUTHOR: J - (U.S.A.)

For God's sakes..."old Friend" in Malone NY..or wherever you are from..how in the hell can you live with yourself if you are aware that this is how she is treating her 7 month old. NO CHILD deserves to be called those filthy names and treated like that!



If you are any type of human being you will call in an anonymous report to 1800 96 ABUSE NOW..if not...I WILL! and I will have you reported as well for having knowledge of child abuse and not reporting it. That's like being an accessory to child abuse. Govern yourself accordingly.



You people make me SICK. HOW can you KNOW about such abuse occurring and stay silent...CALL THE POLICE or MAKE A REPORT NOW! or YOU will be arrested too! I WILL MAKE SURE OF IT!
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#262 Consumer Comment

updates on both of chanells kids

AUTHOR: Old Friend - (U.S.A.)

Chanell has a 7 month old daughter.She does not have her son alex that she threw away.He lives with his father and is a great little 2 year old boy.She will never get him back.



Chanell hardly sees alex that is a good thing .When she does she does not keep him the time frame that she asked for.

As for the new baby she does not have the motherly bond that she should have .So far she has not hurt her, but she has a anger problom. She lives on welfair and off her hole family in tupper lake.



No mater how you try to help her she still seems to like Drama. She has no urge to do any thing but watch Talk shows and yell at her baby to shut the fu## up. and call her a Bi***.

Its a sad thing i dont think she will ever get better and a hard way for her daughter to be raised



SHE NEEDS LOT OF MEDS.
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#263 Consumer Comment

updates on both of chanells kids

AUTHOR: Old Friend - (U.S.A.)

Chanell has a 7 month old daughter.She does not have her son alex that she threw away.He lives with his father and is a great little 2 year old boy.She will never get him back.



Chanell hardly sees alex that is a good thing .When she does she does not keep him the time frame that she asked for.

As for the new baby she does not have the motherly bond that she should have .So far she has not hurt her, but she has a anger problom. She lives on welfair and off her hole family in tupper lake.



No mater how you try to help her she still seems to like Drama. She has no urge to do any thing but watch Talk shows and yell at her baby to shut the fu## up. and call her a Bi***.

Its a sad thing i dont think she will ever get better and a hard way for her daughter to be raised



SHE NEEDS LOT OF MEDS.
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#264 Consumer Comment

updates on both of chanells kids

AUTHOR: Old Friend - (U.S.A.)

Chanell has a 7 month old daughter.She does not have her son alex that she threw away.He lives with his father and is a great little 2 year old boy.She will never get him back.



Chanell hardly sees alex that is a good thing .When she does she does not keep him the time frame that she asked for.

As for the new baby she does not have the motherly bond that she should have .So far she has not hurt her, but she has a anger problom. She lives on welfair and off her hole family in tupper lake.



No mater how you try to help her she still seems to like Drama. She has no urge to do any thing but watch Talk shows and yell at her baby to shut the fu## up. and call her a Bi***.

Its a sad thing i dont think she will ever get better and a hard way for her daughter to be raised



SHE NEEDS LOT OF MEDS.
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#265 Consumer Comment

updates on both of chanells kids

AUTHOR: Old Friend - (U.S.A.)

Chanell has a 7 month old daughter.She does not have her son alex that she threw away.He lives with his father and is a great little 2 year old boy.She will never get him back.



Chanell hardly sees alex that is a good thing .When she does she does not keep him the time frame that she asked for.

As for the new baby she does not have the motherly bond that she should have .So far she has not hurt her, but she has a anger problom. She lives on welfair and off her hole family in tupper lake.



No mater how you try to help her she still seems to like Drama. She has no urge to do any thing but watch Talk shows and yell at her baby to shut the fu## up. and call her a Bi***.

Its a sad thing i dont think she will ever get better and a hard way for her daughter to be raised



SHE NEEDS LOT OF MEDS.
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#266 Consumer Suggestion

Give me a break! What's the real issue?

AUTHOR: Corinna - (U.S.A.)

It's been months since I last visited this site, and after recieving an email about it once again, I finally came back to review what's been said recently about the abused baby. However, as before, Channel hasn't changed, she continues to make remarks, and insults to those who have posted comments. Seems like she's trying to put the focus on someone else instead of owning her own problem. What Channel should have been doing was apologizing for how she brought a child into this world without the means and ability to take care of him. Apologizing for being a burden to society, and for not improving her life as a woman and mother. I'm sure most agree (at least those with a right mind and some sort of education) that Channel should not be trusted to bring another life into this world. She obviously doesn't know right from wrong, and her mind and maturity aren't up to par.



Those of you who feel the urge to respond to what I'm saying because you disagree, think about the baby. How would it be if you were to put yourself in that baby's position, unable to get up and walk, you couldn't talk, express your feelings, and you couldn't leave a situation.. You might be hungry, your diaper needs changed, or you just crave love and attention. All of a sudden you're thrown into snow on a cold and rainy night. You've been brought into this world not by your choice, but because of an uneducated woman having unprotected sex who drinks and does drugs. She has no idea of how to take care of a child, or how to deal with frustration. All she knows is what her desires are. She is selfish.



She surrounds herself with individuals who desire sex with multiple partners, drugs and alcohol, It's known that a person tends to hang around with those like themselves. People like this do not love themselves enough to love a child. No self respect.



So for all of you who have defended this woman, look at the real picture... A child was abused due to her temper and impatience. The issue is the safety and health of the baby, and that clearly isn't with someone like channel. Also, long ago- to the person petty enough to say that Pennsylvania is only full of Amish/Mennonite people with no electric, check your information, and take a trip dumbass. That's like me saying that just because tupperlake has some idiots/morons that all of New York is that way. Geesh, give me a break.
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#267 Consumer Suggestion

I thought NY State screens employees more thoroughly

AUTHOR: J - (U.S.A.)

I have weeded through the ridiculous soap opera drama of Tupper Lake and well, I am amazed that no one appears to have the cognitive ability to read and reply to the previous comment I had submitted on the ORIGINAL topic of Chanelle and her inability to safely parent her child.



Jim, and everyone else seems to be more content in dragging out their own issues instead of focusing on the initial topic at hand.



And interestingly enough, Chanelle has failed to post in quite some time. Leads me to believe she must be incarcerated or in a residential psych. ward where she most likely could benefit from some intensive long term treatment.



Jim, you say you are still employed by the State of NY. Well, not for long if you continue to post such threatening remarks as you recently have. I do not know anyone in that swamp of a town, thank God, however things have a way of coming about and biting you in the rear end, Jim. In other words, a CC to the Governor as well as all State hiring officials of your posts could end you up on the unemployment line.



My advice to you Jimbo, refrain from such threatening comments and try to post something of intelligence, to at least inidicate that the State of NY DOES have SOME degree of dignity when hiring individuals to represent itself.



Oh and it also sounds like you may have some anger issues, a good anger management class or perhaps a DVIP course might do the trick. That may be why you are still single, you present with an underlying inability to control your anger, while directing it inappropriately through verbal assaults and accusations.



I am praying for you and the whole lost town of Tupper Lake. And how IS the child doing? Is he still with his father? Is Chanelle even WORKING her case plan? I think not. But oops, I posted something ON THE TOPIC..so I guess that won't be addressed because it is RELEVANT. No no..in order to get any kind of a response it seems one must comment on the recent happenings at Mud Puddles or Crap Dishers or whatever the hell you call your local entertainment venues these days.



I hope that the ignorant of Tupper Lake will cease to procreate, but instead EDUCATE themselves so that maybe, just maybe they can graduate with their children!
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#268 Consumer Comment

Tupper Lake Trailer park trash

AUTHOR: Zia - (U.S.A.)

First of all..what the hell is Tupper Lake.



Second of all.. i've said it before after reading the statements..it should be the top city discussed on Jerry Springer because I read of nothing but tramps when I read these columns.



Get rid of the hoes or get rid of Tupper Lake
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#269 Consumer Comment

Amanda, I doubt you have a life!

AUTHOR: Jim - (U.S.A.)

Amanda,



First of all, you need to learn how to spell you illiterate peice of animal s**t and you need to know the people that you shouldn't mess around with. I think you are pretty brave messing around with me. I will turn your little world upside down girlie. You best go back to your little porch little pup because you sure can't hang out with the big dogs. Oh, Amanda if you have a problem with me big mouth, you really should come discuss it with me. I am sick of everyone in this d**n town sticking their business in mine. I will take pictures of anyone and any business I wish and there is nothing anyone can do about it, got it. Hey Amanda, miss tuffy, you want to come face me at the Springer show or are you a "The coward of Franklin County"? Amanda baby, I will find out what your last name is so beware!
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#270 Consumer Comment

Sidetracked by a real-life Peyton Place!!!

AUTHOR: LINDA - (U.S.A.)

Jeeeze!!! I looked at this website to get information on the Eggstractor and got sidetracked by a real-life Peyton Place!!! It certainly perked up an otherwise boring day.....



(P.S. Don't be too hard on Chanell. I have a daughter very much like Chanell and it may be that she has Borderline Personality Disorder, which is a very sad, disabling personality trait that is almost impossible to cure, but manifests with actions very similar to what Chanell exhibits. With people who have BPD, you just need to be there to "pick up the pieces" and try and steer them down the right path, although it is very, very difficult to do. She really needs a good support system, but it sounds like one does not exist for her. So sad.)
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#271 Consumer Comment

Sidetracked by a real-life Peyton Place!!!

AUTHOR: LINDA - (U.S.A.)

Jeeeze!!! I looked at this website to get information on the Eggstractor and got sidetracked by a real-life Peyton Place!!! It certainly perked up an otherwise boring day.....



(P.S. Don't be too hard on Chanell. I have a daughter very much like Chanell and it may be that she has Borderline Personality Disorder, which is a very sad, disabling personality trait that is almost impossible to cure, but manifests with actions very similar to what Chanell exhibits. With people who have BPD, you just need to be there to "pick up the pieces" and try and steer them down the right path, although it is very, very difficult to do. She really needs a good support system, but it sounds like one does not exist for her. So sad.)
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#272 Consumer Comment

Amanda, "You have given more rides than Greyhound"

AUTHOR: Jim - (U.S.A.)

Amanda,



I beg to differ from you my sweet smelling creme puff(NOT), but I am still employed by New York State and have ALL the paystubs to prove it. You are just mad because the only job you have is lying on your back and you don't get paid that much but than look who we are talking about. Oh, listen girlie, I doubt you want to butt heads with me because I will seriously mess your pathetic little world up. You obviously don't know me too well because if you did you would know that I don't stop when someone messes with me. Amanda, like I have said before, I will take pictures of anyone I please and if you don't like it, too bad. I have also stated I could care less about what anyone else thinks of me. Oh, also, it is my choice not to have a girlfriend. You show me a decent girl in Tupper Lake and maybe I will get together with one. I would also like to comment on friends, if you look in my yahoo profile I have written down that I have No TRUE friends but people that I hang with. Soooo Amanda, BITE ME!
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#273 Consumer Comment

Welcome to the Tupper Lake Reports Joe!

AUTHOR: David - (U.S.A.)

Let me introduce Joe Watson from Canada folks. Before I shoot him down in a barrage of flames I invite everyone to read Reports #29533 and #21722 so you can get an idea of what kind of man were dealing with here. Tupper Lake must be popular in Canada as well as he has made some comments about it in his quest to abuse women. A typical loser who wouldnt even make it in Tupper Lake as he would be below this communitys standards. I dont think the women here would put up with you Joe as I'm sure anyone of them could put some whooooop a$$ on you. You better hone up on those flamming skills pal because your fixing to get burnt lol. Joe is a little upset at me for exposing him to the country for being a wife and child abuser. So in retaliation he has come to beg aid from the good folks of Tupper Lake. I'm literally roflmao. Your way out of your leauge here Joe. Best you sit down and shut up and quit while your slightly losing. Just a suggestion I know you wont take but I can tell you that in the end you will be crying and I'll be laughing my a$$ off. Jim feel free to jump in man this guy is going to be fun. The idiot has even given all his personal info in the above reports. What a dumbass LMAO. Ok got to stay on topic. Keep those pics comming Jim I think your doing a great job. Your pissin people off and stirring up that pot. Keeps us posted on the Springer show I definatley want to be in the audience and make sure this hottie Amanda comes to. Hey maybe you could bring Joe as his scandulous a$$ would be perfect for it.
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#274 Consumer Suggestion

all quite entertaining, what about the poor child?

AUTHOR: Jeff - (U.S.A.)

After taking time to read this, I have to say this is all quite entertaining. I have to ask though what about the poor child? How is he doing now?



I myself was a pretty sad individual as a teenager up until around 19. yes I did do things I was not proud of and even had a child at that age. Did I abuse the child? no I did not, I was abused severely as a youngster and it has effected me my whole life. The lucky thing is somehow I was saved and that person was put away from many years in prison.



Anyways, I figured the only way out was to get out. But, like many people I was poor and being that I was not the best individual in the world it was hard. So, I return, I cleaned up for a time and joined the military. After the military, I received a BS and have started a career.



I guess what I am trying to say is to these people who seem stuck in a loop of insults and hatred. Chanell, if you want to share your son, get out and away. There are ways to do this. Go to anger classes, follow your orders (not saying that you are not), stay away from people that want to cause problems, promote outbursts and anger. I think there is some good in everyone and yes there are people that can not change, but there are the people who can. I am a prime example of people who can change. My life has not been the best by far and I am not trying to say that I am worse off then anyone.. anywhere. Sometimes you just have to get out and get away, forget about your past and start on a new slate, it can be done.



I have 3 children now and yes it is hard and there will be harder times in the future. But trashing, and talking crap about people doesn't do anyone any justice. I a m not perfect by far and my past is less perfect. All it takes is some will, and it seems you have plenty of that. Here are some steps you can start with..



1. Get the heck away.

2. Call your son tell him you love him

3. Accept that you are wrong for what you did.

4. Accept that you have problems and Identify them.

5. Get help for them problems.



Now I don't know any of you and I am sure some of you may be a good friend or even all of you but that is not the case. You need to get straightened out so you can be a part of your child's life in the future, my ex wife is doing just that.



You see my ex is in prison (she was my ex long before she went) she, hardly called, she made broken promises and it got to the point where I would not even let her seen the kids. She was always out doing drugs, having fun and all that stuff. Now after 3 years she has gotten away from these friends of hers and seen what she has done. Yes, I let her talk with the kids, they need to know their mom loves them. While many people may disagree with my choices, I think the benefits in the long will be great. Yes, I will be cautious, and yes I will keep a VERY close eye on my kids. For a time, she wont be able to take them anywhere. The best thing, is that she knows this and accepts this because she is aware of her past.



Chanell and anyone else who is in a situation, this whole mess can be resolved. Stop trashing each other, stop fighting and think about the topic. I think that had something to do with a precious child. Now if you don't want your child, there is nothing wrong with that, make sure he has a great home. Giving up a child because you realize the way you might be is a responsible choice. The other choices, refer to number 1 above.



None of my comments have anything to do with Tupper Lake or its occupants. I am sure there are people in every town or city with issues like this of even worse. The first step to improve the reputation that might be forming because of this is to just stop. This is not the place to air trash out and I don't know if there is any place to except the confines of your home. Even then, make sure your children are not around and any friends you might offend.



Good luck to you all and most of all that precious child.



P.S., If there are any spelling or punctuation errors please forgive me. English was and still is not one of my strong subjects.



Peace
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#275 Consumer Comment

You are right on the money ..enough tax burdens on the people of New York.

AUTHOR: Tim - (U.S.A.)

In Response To David From AZ.



David,



You are right on the money, man.

You have Tupper Lake pegged without ever stepping foot inside the towns limits.

I should know, I am from Gouverneur, NY.

About 45 minutes away from Tupper.

Let me tell you, Chanell and her gagle of shovel wielding bozo's are not a small secular percentage of that town. They are a microcosm representing the town as a whole.

It is the educated, well rounded, morally adjusted people in Tupper Lake that are in the minority.



It's painfully obvious all of the participants in this trailer park lullabye don't realize they need help because they aren't capable of realizing it. It's not a problem of denial, it's a problem of mental capacity.



Please, Chanell, Jim and everyone else in Tupper Lake who's swapped bodily fluids..

Do us all a favor and stop procreating.

There are enough tax burdens on the people of New York.
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#276 Consumer Comment

Jim Needs A Life

AUTHOR: Amanda - (U.S.A.)

Jim Lavar You Are Scum and your just as bad as everyone in here like Chanell and Katie and i should know i hung out with all of you at one time or another! and there maybe others i would like to write about but you slipped my lip. And i would like to tell people how you really are...



1. Hes so dumb he goes around town taking pictures of people and bussinesses even when they say No! and then he goes on here and writes mean things about them even tho he has no right doing that!



2. He dont work for the state any more he was fired...for taking pictures of those patients up there at summount wrong wrong wrong! my family works there and its not right!



3. He dont have any friends and the ones he thinks does dont like him just use him. and Jim if u read this When people say go away and leave them along, DO IT!!! its a Good Idea!!



4. and hes not aloud on dunkin dounuts property in TL for taking pictures how gay is he!?



So people dont listen to this bull and Jim Get A Life I Did and You Need One!! No Wonder You hang out with scum and play on the computer day in and day out cause you have so much time on your hands!!Doing nuthing...No Job, No Girlfriend, No Life and No Friends...Watcha Going To Do!
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#277 Consumer Comment

Oh Dear David

AUTHOR: Joe - (Canada)

David from bullhead city, I am beginning to see the real you, your life is so lame that you search the ripoffreport and make lameass comments to try and get responces. What a way to justify your pathetic existance. David typed his verbal puke on my site to in an attempt to take the legitimacy out of it. People, try to imagine what his life is really like, David has to hide his anti-depressants from himself to avoid suicide, and take all the shoe laces out of his shoes so he doesn't hang himself. This is most likely poor david's only way of being social and as such we must have empathy with him. Not all humans are created equal and david is most certainly proof of the "needing" gene. Don't let david and his tormented soul take the meaning out of your site.
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#278 Consumer Comment

Oh Dear David

AUTHOR: Joe - (Canada)

David from bullhead city, I am beginning to see the real you, your life is so lame that you search the ripoffreport and make lameass comments to try and get responces. What a way to justify your pathetic existance. David typed his verbal puke on my site to in an attempt to take the legitimacy out of it. People, try to imagine what his life is really like, David has to hide his anti-depressants from himself to avoid suicide, and take all the shoe laces out of his shoes so he doesn't hang himself. This is most likely poor david's only way of being social and as such we must have empathy with him. Not all humans are created equal and david is most certainly proof of the "needing" gene. Don't let david and his tormented soul take the meaning out of your site.
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#279 Consumer Comment

Oh Dear David

AUTHOR: Joe - (Canada)

David from bullhead city, I am beginning to see the real you, your life is so lame that you search the ripoffreport and make lameass comments to try and get responces. What a way to justify your pathetic existance. David typed his verbal puke on my site to in an attempt to take the legitimacy out of it. People, try to imagine what his life is really like, David has to hide his anti-depressants from himself to avoid suicide, and take all the shoe laces out of his shoes so he doesn't hang himself. This is most likely poor david's only way of being social and as such we must have empathy with him. Not all humans are created equal and david is most certainly proof of the "needing" gene. Don't let david and his tormented soul take the meaning out of your site.
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#280 Consumer Comment

Oh Dear David

AUTHOR: Joe - (Canada)

David from bullhead city, I am beginning to see the real you, your life is so lame that you search the ripoffreport and make lameass comments to try and get responces. What a way to justify your pathetic existance. David typed his verbal puke on my site to in an attempt to take the legitimacy out of it. People, try to imagine what his life is really like, David has to hide his anti-depressants from himself to avoid suicide, and take all the shoe laces out of his shoes so he doesn't hang himself. This is most likely poor david's only way of being social and as such we must have empathy with him. Not all humans are created equal and david is most certainly proof of the "needing" gene. Don't let david and his tormented soul take the meaning out of your site.
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#281 Consumer Comment

What a joke..... I have to say that the decent residents of Tupper Lake really have their hands full.

AUTHOR: Jennifer - (U.S.A.)

Between being concerned about who's screwing who, and who REALLY has an education, they don't have any time left to focus on what happened to this poor child! It's obvious these "decent" people need to get the hell out, and leave this town to self destruct. Sterilize those that are left behind, we don't want any making their way out west. Arizona is THE place to go to get away from uneducated curmudgeons (yeah, get out 'yer dictionary!) like the derilicts of Tupper Lake. Which one of you actually knows what happened to this poor baby? I would be interested to hear, since that was the main focus of this posting in the first place!
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#282 Consumer Comment

Is there more to the situation that has not been told?

AUTHOR: Shelly - (U.S.A.)

Chanell, I was just wondering if anyone had asked you your side of the story? Is there more to the situation that has not been told? Is it possible that there is something that could have been missed? Even in anger, I am unable to accept that a mother could intentionally do this to her child.
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#283 Consumer Comment

Abused Baby Deserves Better

AUTHOR: Karyn - (U.S.A.)

I have read through the posts concerning this matter and am disgusted in a couple of ways. First of all you have a woman who clearly abused her 3 week old infant because her alcohol and other problems were more important than the blessing from God that she had laying at home needing her care and love.



Second of all you have numerous people who are slamming this mother who are NOT angels themselves. It is one thing to offer constructive solutions to the problem at hand to assure future safety for the baby, it is another to sling insults to injury so to speak which solves nothing.



It is unfortunate that most state Welfare laws require the parents to go through parenting classes and be given another chance to care for their children, though time and time again this has proven to be a very dangerous and disastrous move, law is law.



If you people really want that baby to be safe you need to construct well thought out, to the point letters to the Child Welfare offices and her case worker stressing your concern over her getting the child back. Be factual and to the point without negative digging or slamming comments as this will only be looked on as retaliatory instead of genuine concern.



You need to get a petition going http://www.petitions.com is a free source to do so and petition lawmakers in her state to take a harder look at the laws governing parental rights in cases of servere abuse and or neglect.



You all can whine and cry on here about this or you can band together and do the right thing and push for the rights of the baby to be cared for in a loving, happy and healthy home, where he will be safe and not have to be placed back in harms way.



Remember this... anything you state must be truthful with proof to back it up. Do not give the state ANY reason to dismiss due to false or untrue statements.



Now lets see some positive action!
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#284 Consumer Comment

All the parenting classes in the world couldnt fix her damaged

AUTHOR: Tammy - (U.S.A.)

Jim- in your dreams, Listen you ignorant sorry excuse for a human, you all in Tupper Lake would have died off if we won the war on drugs.. Crackhead inbred Jimmy-pop I'm talking to your uneducated a*s. I think your X is a horrible person- you both will BURN.. I have no doubt. CPS does not take children from good homes, they do their job, they protect children.. My main question is "Can they spay/neuter all of you in the crack town of Tupper Lake?" is everyone as stupid as you and your girlfriend?? All the parenting classes in the world couldnt fix her damaged head. And if you take up for her, it's only because you are both hitting the same crack-pipe. And one more thing- I dont think either of you could survive in the "real world", if you could you would have left long ago, but then who would be there to cash the government checks????
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#285 Consumer Suggestion

Jimbo you should be ashamed

AUTHOR: J - (U.S.A.)

If you truly are as educated as you claim to be, then I suggest you RE READ my above post...that is, if you can understand the "big words."



Everyone in this sad geographical swamp they call Tupper Lake are either stupid, inbred, or just plain ignorant. You all seem to have resigned yourself to a substandard way of life in that town, and the children, NAMELY the little boy who was originally the SUBJECT of this whole thread of posts!



And as a CPS case worker..no, sir (and I am being generous by calling you that)..we do NOT remove children for any reason...there HAS to be substiated evidence to support that a child has suffered egregious abuse, sexual abuse, or emotional abuse, or finding a substance exposed child (in terms you can understand Jimbo..THAT means parents or adults who are stupid enough to smoke pot use other drugs or drink while a child is in their care).



Regardless of what your twisted version of the truth may be...there is evidence here enough to support that Chan is in material breech of her case plan..and should have her parental rights permanently terminated. Anyone who was told not to consume alcohol and continues to go to MudPuddles (what crack head thought of THAT name anyway?) obviously cares little about her child. I hope she NEVER gets him back. She is obviously beyond hope, and beyond help. And associating with the likes of these bumpkins won't help her. Her BEST bet..would be to MOVE AWAY from Tupper Lake...it sounds like the location of the next Stephen King novel if you ask me.
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#286 Consumer Comment

Tammy, S.U.N.Y is an accredited college!

AUTHOR: Jim - (U.S.A.)

Tammy,



I did go to a real college, remember you sat on my lap in class. We usually talked about what popped up but than again you were too busy screaming out my name. Anyway, hey what gives you the right to talk about my ex-girlfriend like that? Chanell would probably smack the s**t out of you and I would have to pull her off you! I really don't think anyone can judge Chanell because none of you were there and don't know if it is true or not. Yes, she did lose her boy but CPS will take a child away for being turned in for most any reason these days. Tammy, if you want to ride the hobby horse again let me know ok, I am due for a re-charge.
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#287 Consumer Comment

To all you idiots

AUTHOR: Tammy - (U.S.A.)

Where do I begin? Jim if you do have a degree it does not really count if you took one of those "at home" courses, you actually have to attend classes at a real college.



David seems to be the only one with his head screwed on straight. I used to think that people in the south were ignorant, but GOOD LORD, you all in Tupper have proven that there is a level below ignorant, illerate, and just plain fu**ing stupid.



As far as Chanell goes, lets do the world a favor and find a dirt road and some chains and drag her until she has no flesh, that is what should happen to all baby abusers.. GROW UP PEOPLE, I think one day I may travel to the dark demension of Tupper, just to see what a real crack head, drunk, drug abusing town looks like. Peace out losers...
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#288 Consumer Suggestion

Innerbreeding a lot of incest going on in Tupper Lake

AUTHOR: Renee - (U.S.A.)

Is there a lot of incest going on in Tupper Lake? Got to be. I have never heard such BS in my life. Surely someone is doing this for jokes. If not then I know everyone is marrying their sister or brother. And they talk about people in Louisiana because it's in the South. Geeze, come on folks. Let's quit throwing babies in snow banks and whatever else you idiots do.
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#289 Consumer Comment

Tupper Lake Trailer Trash

AUTHOR: Mary - (U.S.A.)

If I ever get to Tupper Lake and come across a bar called Mud Puddles I'll stay far away. Apparently, only pigs go there.



As for you Chantell, it's not your fault. With a name like that you were destined to be a crack h*o. You are a disgusting waste of life and you should be neutered. Thank God that baby boy is with his father. I hope his daddy treats him better and lives far away from the swine in Tupper Lake. I hope the new baby is taken away from you and given a chance at a happy, healthy home. You mother is just as bad as you. I know, I know, the apple doesn't fall far.......
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#290 Consumer Comment

This should be forwarded to your CASE MANAGER and the JUDGE

AUTHOR: J - (U.S.A.)

As a foster care case manager I have a vested interest in the safety of ALL Children, even if they are not in the state that I work in.



I am APPALLED...SICKENED really, at what I have been reading. Chanelle, by the verbalizations you have displayed here in this board, you show extreme emotional instability. And even though your child is no longer a "baby" he is still a toddler, which puts him in a high risk category for futher abuse if returned to your care.



I have a good mind to forward this link to this particular thread to ALL PARTIES involved in your case so that the TRUTH will be revealed BEFORE it is too late for your child to be placed in a safe home long term.



I think you should voluntarily sign your rights over to the state of NY ..and let your child be adopted by someone who won't throw him out in a snow bank like yesterday's stale beer.



You obviously do NOT have the ability to nurture or meet any of his basic needs, by what you have disclosed here. You are having too much fun playing in the Mud Puddles. Well, have your fun, if you will..but GIVE YOUR CHILD A CHANCE in life.



Perhaps, you might try and express yourself a bit more dignified, instead of constantly sounding like the hostess of the local Tupperwhore party. PLEASE...respect yourself!!!! and if you cannot ..then at least respect your child and let him have a chance at a GOOD life ...where his needs can be met.



You are obviously in material breach of your case plan...as indicated by your statements here..



I would recommend termination of parental rights.



I pray for you and your child. And the whole town, really. EDUCATE yourselves please! YOUR CHILDREN COUNT ON YOU!!!



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#291 Consumer Comment

This should be forwarded to your CASE MANAGER and the JUDGE

AUTHOR: J - (U.S.A.)

As a foster care case manager I have a vested interest in the safety of ALL Children, even if they are not in the state that I work in.



I am APPALLED...SICKENED really, at what I have been reading. Chanelle, by the verbalizations you have displayed here in this board, you show extreme emotional instability. And even though your child is no longer a "baby" he is still a toddler, which puts him in a high risk category for futher abuse if returned to your care.



I have a good mind to forward this link to this particular thread to ALL PARTIES involved in your case so that the TRUTH will be revealed BEFORE it is too late for your child to be placed in a safe home long term.



I think you should voluntarily sign your rights over to the state of NY ..and let your child be adopted by someone who won't throw him out in a snow bank like yesterday's stale beer.



You obviously do NOT have the ability to nurture or meet any of his basic needs, by what you have disclosed here. You are having too much fun playing in the Mud Puddles. Well, have your fun, if you will..but GIVE YOUR CHILD A CHANCE in life.



Perhaps, you might try and express yourself a bit more dignified, instead of constantly sounding like the hostess of the local Tupperwhore party. PLEASE...respect yourself!!!! and if you cannot ..then at least respect your child and let him have a chance at a GOOD life ...where his needs can be met.



You are obviously in material breach of your case plan...as indicated by your statements here..



I would recommend termination of parental rights.



I pray for you and your child. And the whole town, really. EDUCATE yourselves please! YOUR CHILDREN COUNT ON YOU!!!



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#292 Consumer Comment

This should be forwarded to your CASE MANAGER and the JUDGE

AUTHOR: J - (U.S.A.)

As a foster care case manager I have a vested interest in the safety of ALL Children, even if they are not in the state that I work in.



I am APPALLED...SICKENED really, at what I have been reading. Chanelle, by the verbalizations you have displayed here in this board, you show extreme emotional instability. And even though your child is no longer a "baby" he is still a toddler, which puts him in a high risk category for futher abuse if returned to your care.



I have a good mind to forward this link to this particular thread to ALL PARTIES involved in your case so that the TRUTH will be revealed BEFORE it is too late for your child to be placed in a safe home long term.



I think you should voluntarily sign your rights over to the state of NY ..and let your child be adopted by someone who won't throw him out in a snow bank like yesterday's stale beer.



You obviously do NOT have the ability to nurture or meet any of his basic needs, by what you have disclosed here. You are having too much fun playing in the Mud Puddles. Well, have your fun, if you will..but GIVE YOUR CHILD A CHANCE in life.



Perhaps, you might try and express yourself a bit more dignified, instead of constantly sounding like the hostess of the local Tupperwhore party. PLEASE...respect yourself!!!! and if you cannot ..then at least respect your child and let him have a chance at a GOOD life ...where his needs can be met.



You are obviously in material breach of your case plan...as indicated by your statements here..



I would recommend termination of parental rights.



I pray for you and your child. And the whole town, really. EDUCATE yourselves please! YOUR CHILDREN COUNT ON YOU!!!



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#293 Consumer Comment

This should be forwarded to your CASE MANAGER and the JUDGE

AUTHOR: J - (U.S.A.)

As a foster care case manager I have a vested interest in the safety of ALL Children, even if they are not in the state that I work in.



I am APPALLED...SICKENED really, at what I have been reading. Chanelle, by the verbalizations you have displayed here in this board, you show extreme emotional instability. And even though your child is no longer a "baby" he is still a toddler, which puts him in a high risk category for futher abuse if returned to your care.



I have a good mind to forward this link to this particular thread to ALL PARTIES involved in your case so that the TRUTH will be revealed BEFORE it is too late for your child to be placed in a safe home long term.



I think you should voluntarily sign your rights over to the state of NY ..and let your child be adopted by someone who won't throw him out in a snow bank like yesterday's stale beer.



You obviously do NOT have the ability to nurture or meet any of his basic needs, by what you have disclosed here. You are having too much fun playing in the Mud Puddles. Well, have your fun, if you will..but GIVE YOUR CHILD A CHANCE in life.



Perhaps, you might try and express yourself a bit more dignified, instead of constantly sounding like the hostess of the local Tupperwhore party. PLEASE...respect yourself!!!! and if you cannot ..then at least respect your child and let him have a chance at a GOOD life ...where his needs can be met.



You are obviously in material breach of your case plan...as indicated by your statements here..



I would recommend termination of parental rights.



I pray for you and your child. And the whole town, really. EDUCATE yourselves please! YOUR CHILDREN COUNT ON YOU!!!



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#294 Consumer Comment

Thanks, David ..Jerry Springer show use to be my "guilty pleasure", now it's reading all about Tupper Lake.

AUTHOR: Linda - (U.S.A.)

Hey David!! You're really funny. I love the way you get Jim all flustered. While I read these posting the theme from Deliverance keeps running thru my head. The Jerry Springer show use to be my "guilty pleasure", now it's reading all about Tupper Lake.



Oh, Jennifer. If you're still reading postings, I have friends who live in Gilbert. Nice place.
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#295 Consumer Comment

Thanks, David ..Jerry Springer show use to be my "guilty pleasure", now it's reading all about Tupper Lake.

AUTHOR: Linda - (U.S.A.)

Hey David!! You're really funny. I love the way you get Jim all flustered. While I read these posting the theme from Deliverance keeps running thru my head. The Jerry Springer show use to be my "guilty pleasure", now it's reading all about Tupper Lake.



Oh, Jennifer. If you're still reading postings, I have friends who live in Gilbert. Nice place.
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#296 Consumer Comment

Thanks, David ..Jerry Springer show use to be my "guilty pleasure", now it's reading all about Tupper Lake.

AUTHOR: Linda - (U.S.A.)

Hey David!! You're really funny. I love the way you get Jim all flustered. While I read these posting the theme from Deliverance keeps running thru my head. The Jerry Springer show use to be my "guilty pleasure", now it's reading all about Tupper Lake.



Oh, Jennifer. If you're still reading postings, I have friends who live in Gilbert. Nice place.
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#297 Consumer Comment

Thanks, David ..Jerry Springer show use to be my "guilty pleasure", now it's reading all about Tupper Lake.

AUTHOR: Linda - (U.S.A.)

Hey David!! You're really funny. I love the way you get Jim all flustered. While I read these posting the theme from Deliverance keeps running thru my head. The Jerry Springer show use to be my "guilty pleasure", now it's reading all about Tupper Lake.



Oh, Jennifer. If you're still reading postings, I have friends who live in Gilbert. Nice place.
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#298 Consumer Comment

Chanell Pic!

AUTHOR: David - (U.S.A.)

Yeah Jim you could post a pic of Chanell as we would love to see what she looks like ;) just send that photo to Rip-off Report.com and tell them you want they photo to be posted to Report #15565 Even send pictures of where she lives and maybe pictures of the decaying downtown tupper lake.
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#299 Consumer Comment

Chanell Pic!

AUTHOR: David - (U.S.A.)

Yeah Jim you could post a pic of Chanell as we would love to see what she looks like ;) just send that photo to Rip-off Report.com and tell them you want they photo to be posted to Report #15565 Even send pictures of where she lives and maybe pictures of the decaying downtown tupper lake.
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#300 Consumer Comment

Chanell Pic!

AUTHOR: David - (U.S.A.)

Yeah Jim you could post a pic of Chanell as we would love to see what she looks like ;) just send that photo to Rip-off Report.com and tell them you want they photo to be posted to Report #15565 Even send pictures of where she lives and maybe pictures of the decaying downtown tupper lake.
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#301 Consumer Comment

The Whole Truth?

AUTHOR: Bill - (U.S.A.)

I stated "I know what has happened, plus a lot more that people do not need to know because it will probably start a whole new tirade of gossip and attack."



And Jim has proven my point. By his own admission, Chanell seems better than when they were seeing each other. Yet, he takes a few germs of truth and extrapolates them into the rumor and attack category.



Does Chanell have more to accomplish? You bet she does. Does she have another child? Absolutely. And remember, Chanell's son is no longer a baby. Just look at when this incident took place and do your own math.
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#302 Consumer Comment

Chanell is fighting to get custody back! she needs to take anger management classes

AUTHOR: Jim - (U.S.A.)

I used to date Chanell and I have seen her violent temper first hand. I know she needs to take anger management classes, but I have seen her lately and she SEEMS like she has improved alot. I just wanted to update the whole truth which is she is trying to get joint custody of the baby boy. Oh she also has a new baby girl with a different guy that lives in a different town. I would always like to set the record straight when I know ALL the facts to let the people know the truth. Well I have stayed pretty close to Chanell after we split and went our own ways. If you need any questions answered about Chanell I am your man.
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#303 Consumer Comment

unfortunate what this baby has lived through

AUTHOR: Scott - (U.S.A.)

Bill..



Thank you for providing us with an update on the welfare of this baby. It is unfortunate what this baby has lived through up until this point but we cannot take a sterotypical attitude towards the family courts and assume that they are incapable of doing the right thing.

Maybe now, if not through embarassment alone, the parents will be compelled to do the right thing and make certain this child is raised properly from this point on.
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#304 Consumer Comment

unfortunate what this baby has lived through

AUTHOR: Scott - (U.S.A.)

Bill..



Thank you for providing us with an update on the welfare of this baby. It is unfortunate what this baby has lived through up until this point but we cannot take a sterotypical attitude towards the family courts and assume that they are incapable of doing the right thing.

Maybe now, if not through embarassment alone, the parents will be compelled to do the right thing and make certain this child is raised properly from this point on.
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#305 Consumer Comment

unfortunate what this baby has lived through

AUTHOR: Scott - (U.S.A.)

Bill..



Thank you for providing us with an update on the welfare of this baby. It is unfortunate what this baby has lived through up until this point but we cannot take a sterotypical attitude towards the family courts and assume that they are incapable of doing the right thing.

Maybe now, if not through embarassment alone, the parents will be compelled to do the right thing and make certain this child is raised properly from this point on.
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#306 Consumer Comment

Curious minds that want to know. Family Court and the authorities

AUTHOR: Bill - (U.S.A.)

The child has been in the custody of the father for quite a period of time. They do not reside with Chanell. Chanell has taken parenting classes, among other things required by Family Court. Visits have been supervised, often by independent supervisors. Visits have been sporadic because of geographical distance involved.



This is not speculation. I know what has happened, plus a lot more that people do not need to know because it will probably start a whole new tirade of gossip and attack. Let's just say that the matter has been and continues to be monitored by Family Court and the authorities.



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#307 Consumer Comment

A round of applause for Lisa please

AUTHOR: David - (U.S.A.)

Well Lisa your just proof there is a rainbow out there somewhere. Your really the 1st to have offered anything really tangible for this poor baby. What about it tupper lake. What happened to the baby? Is he safe? is he with the crack h*o? please let us know and if hes not being taken care of please pass Lisa's message to whoever has control of the baby. In any case would some one let us know whats going on?
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#308 Consumer Comment

I'm willing to help us both ..would be more than willing to take your child into our loving and stable home and adopt him

AUTHOR: Lisa - (U.S.A.)

Chenell



It's been a long time since this topic was started and I am unclear as to the whereabouts and welfare of your son. God willing he is safe and you have found the parenting skills needed to keep him that way, but if not please consider this: My husband and I have been trying to have a child for 5 years and would be more than willing to take your child into our loving and stable home and adopt him. If you are not ready to make such a commitment I understand but if you are at least ready to make a commitment for his future and well being please contact me so we can talk. If you are interested please email me at lpdk9@rochester.rr.com



I am a former resident of Franklin county now residing near Rochester NY and would be happy to talk to you about this if you are ready to consider your son's future with a stable and loving family.



Regards,
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#309 Consumer Comment

I am shocked at the behavior on this board.

AUTHOR: Summer - (U.S.A.)

Please grow up, get an education and do something for your own children. I have been trying to have a baby for five years now with no avail. Reading posts like these makes me cringe! It would behoove all of you idiots to pause, and think before opening your trashy mouths. What you are doing to your lives today will only hurt you tomorrow. Learn from your mistakes and move on with your lives. You all are a bunch of trash talking animals. I can only pray for each of you at this time. Don't be oblivious to what life has to offer... Happiness!!!
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#310 UPDATE Employee

Some People Are Crazy and Don't Mind There Own Business

AUTHOR: Sara - (Canada)

I know I am being a little hypocrytical by writing myself, but as I read these responses I just wonder why people don't mind there own business. Yeah what Chanelle did is VERY wrong, but she will pay for it, its called KARMA. And who cares if these people do drugs it doesn't hurt you guys at all. Why don't you all mind your business and get on with your lives, I seriously would never write but I just thought a lot of you people were making yourselves so just as pathetic as some of the people involved in the incident. I hope you guys all do well and I truly wish you all the best of luck. Chanelle you should get some help, but 2nd chances come all the time, just don't have kids hun!
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#311 Consumer Comment

CAUGHT IN THE SPIDER WEB. SMALL TOWN FEARS,JUSTIFIED!

AUTHOR: ERICA - (U.S.A.)

I guess sterotypical small town theories prove themself to the fullest with this bunch of beer chugging lee jean wearing idiots. My familiy lives in a small town in upstate New York. Everytime I go to visit I get a glimps of small town living,not what I am used to but definatley intreguing. I notice very friendly individuals and lots and lots of gossip,I quess it is safe to say small towns are know for that. But I would not attempt to blame the small town atmosphere for these insensative imature individuals.



It seems like the only ones noticing the important factor in this real life after school movie is the outsiders. HELLO. A new born was tossed helplessly into a s****. />

It blows my mind to see the people involved not caring about the child but more involved in each others down falls and other people's outlook on their disgusting lifstyles. They should all be concentrating on what their children will think of when they are old enough themselves to romp around in mudholes and chew tabacco. Please someone come to the rescue!



There is no way this entire town is filled with high school drops outs who are proud of the fact they have a depressing G.E.D and a wahooo AA degree. Yet I do enjoy the tangled and quite amusing antics set forth from these hicks. It isn't at all a laughing matter when the children are old enough to relize how incompitent there parents and role models. God Help Them All!



Hey jim. I am sure you will be getting all up in arms. So for a fun and relaxing activity to prove your genius status I have mispelled some words and used incorrect grammer maybe after your night out tipping cows and picking mushrooms you could put your brain to work and try to detect the incorrect grammer! Then let us all know what you have come up with. I bet it will give us all a good laught. I will start out with a hint laugh doesn't have a t on the end smart guy!
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#312 Consumer Comment

help this baby please

AUTHOR: Kathy - (U.S.A.)

we are the only hope for this baby please evreyone write letters to the judge, to the state we all need to do something it is up to us to see this baby never goes back to his mother! so stop writing to this rip off report and start writing to the judge or state anyone who can help the child. as for chanell i would care more about what the judge thinks of you then the great people of tupper lake! for all of you out of new york state trust me all up state new yourker's are not a bunch of dumb a*s'es. alot of us are hard working good parents. i mayself was a unwed mother when the father of my son didnt want aything to do with us and i kept him he is now 21 years old and off to war everyday i thank god for him and my other 3 i have at home with me now. i gess i am saying dont take your child for granted you never know where thay may be 21 years from now give them alot of love and they will give back 10 fold! godbless you all
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#313 Consumer Comment

AREN'T YOU MISSING THE WHOLE POINT HERE?

AUTHOR: Penny - (U.S.A.)

Chanell,



Don't you understand the whole point here is the safety of your child? Maybe if you spent as much time in parenting classes as you spend defending yourself on the internet, you might learn a few things. How about you do the best thing for your child by giving it up to a young couple that can't have children. If you can't get your life together, how in the world are you going to make a better life for your child. Do the right thing here and let that baby go before you kill it. If you let your baby go now, look at all the free time you will have to spend with all these so friends you have. Sounds like a great group of people to be around, especially with a baby! Drugs and alcohol are definately not the things I would want my children around on an everyday basis. Did you atleast put anything on that poor baby before you tossed it out in the snow?
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#314 Consumer Comment

Hey Katie and Chanell, let's party!

AUTHOR: Wayde - (U.S.A.)

Katie and Channell,

Ladies lets get together and party. I will bring the rubbers(i need to from what i have read),oils, lotions, beer( i prefer coors, but for you hot chicks, i'll bring some natural lite),cream for you ladies(for the special problem), chewing tobacco( i prefer copenhagen, but i'll bring some redman for you nice two pieces of a*s), and a couple of happy meals from that fine McDonalds you have in town. Katie you bring a nice pair of high heels( in black if you can), thigh highs(without holes please) and something to clean up with afterwards. Channell you bring a clean thong, sexy bra and plastic sheets( the ground might be cold). Ladies I can't wait to do our threesome. Opps I forget, I can't do that because Jim might kiss my a*s. Sorry Ladies.
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#315 Consumer Comment

Entitled "Rip-off'

AUTHOR: Carly - (U.S.A.)

I don't believe there can be "productive criticism" when it concerns illiterate, unknowledgable, powerless cowards.



This "Rip-off Report" should stay focused on the theme (please note: RIP-OFF). WHO got ripped off here? You Chanel? No! You should have been ripped apart, if not by the decent citizens of your humble abode then by the justice system that has failed to prosecute you to the fullest extent of the law. WHY is someone of your obviously unstable mental capacity even allowed to run free when you are an immenent threat to society!



Katy, Jim and the remainder of you, from what I can deduce from your simple prattle you really have no Rip-off issue here, maybe elsewhere as in, who ripped you off on your basic education like grammer, sex-ed, and science (ie: genetics). Why don't you try useing the internet to gain some actual knowledge? This is not meant as an insult but I am sure you will see it as such and therefore make some half-veiled threats and so forth which goes to show you that you truly are powerless and are therefore cowards. You see KNOWLEDGE IS Power!



So now boys and girls, we come to the big moment...the envelope please! And the "winner"? of this report the one who we ALL seem to have left in that s****. />

SHAME ON ALL OF US.
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#316 Consumer Comment

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AUTHOR: Carly - (U.S.A.)

I don't believe there can be "productive criticism" when it concerns illiterate, unknowledgable, powerless cowards.



This "Rip-off Report" should stay focused on the theme (please note: RIP-OFF). WHO got ripped off here? You Chanel? No! You should have been ripped apart, if not by the decent citizens of your humble abode then by the justice system that has failed to prosecute you to the fullest extent of the law. WHY is someone of your obviously unstable mental capacity even allowed to run free when you are an immenent threat to society!



Katy, Jim and the remainder of you, from what I can deduce from your simple prattle you really have no Rip-off issue here, maybe elsewhere as in, who ripped you off on your basic education like grammer, sex-ed, and science (ie: genetics). Why don't you try useing the internet to gain some actual knowledge? This is not meant as an insult but I am sure you will see it as such and therefore make some half-veiled threats and so forth which goes to show you that you truly are powerless and are therefore cowards. You see KNOWLEDGE IS Power!



So now boys and girls, we come to the big moment...the envelope please! And the "winner"? of this report the one who we ALL seem to have left in that s****. />

SHAME ON ALL OF US.
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#317 Consumer Comment

Entitled "Rip-off'

AUTHOR: Carly - (U.S.A.)

I don't believe there can be "productive criticism" when it concerns illiterate, unknowledgable, powerless cowards.



This "Rip-off Report" should stay focused on the theme (please note: RIP-OFF). WHO got ripped off here? You Chanel? No! You should have been ripped apart, if not by the decent citizens of your humble abode then by the justice system that has failed to prosecute you to the fullest extent of the law. WHY is someone of your obviously unstable mental capacity even allowed to run free when you are an immenent threat to society!



Katy, Jim and the remainder of you, from what I can deduce from your simple prattle you really have no Rip-off issue here, maybe elsewhere as in, who ripped you off on your basic education like grammer, sex-ed, and science (ie: genetics). Why don't you try useing the internet to gain some actual knowledge? This is not meant as an insult but I am sure you will see it as such and therefore make some half-veiled threats and so forth which goes to show you that you truly are powerless and are therefore cowards. You see KNOWLEDGE IS Power!



So now boys and girls, we come to the big moment...the envelope please! And the "winner"? of this report the one who we ALL seem to have left in that s****. />

SHAME ON ALL OF US.
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#318 Consumer Comment

Why do people enjoy this type of drama???

AUTHOR: Kendra - (U.S.A.)

Why would the mother actually get a public web site and just cuss people??? She obviously does not give a d**n about her son, and probably won't with her new one either. She does not deserve to have children. It bothers me immensely that someone like her could have children, and probably keep having them, When so many wonderful people in this world can't. Also, the sad truth is, that she will continue to have children, continue drinking and doing drugs, live on the state, and be a dredge on our already tapped society. I know that the whole town of Tupper is not this way, but it is sad that it is being respresented by such obvious trailer park trash. I am entitled to my opinion and if someone doesn't like, that is your concern and not mine.
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#319 Consumer Comment

backwards bilhillies

AUTHOR: John - (U.S.A.)

tupper lake what a bunch of backward hillbillies is everybody up there screwing everbody????,well i think you people should STOP cuz your all related and look at what kind of people your creating ,jesus christ this world cant handle creatures like you all
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#320 Consumer Comment

WOW This is amazing

AUTHOR: S - (U.S.A.)

I can't believe that I am reading such terrible things about a few young people in this town, it scares me to know that I moved to this town very recently and that these types of things happen. I moved here for the simple reason that it seems very peaceful and safe to raise a child, which I have a four year old daughter. I moved from the city to get away from the violence and crime to come to what stupidity and abuse, I personally have not seen anything in this town that alarms me but reading this does. Granted I have seen alot of young teenage girls out at times that I was never out at when I was young. I also have seen these same teenage girls wearing things that advertise their bodies just a little too much, now I'm sure that may be the fashion in todays day and age but I can assure you that my little girl will not end up like the rest of you. To this Chanelle person I truly hope that you find yourself and if you do ever get your child back that you are truly capable mentaly and physically to take care of him, it is a shame that your poor son had to go through what he did and Im sure he will always have it in the back of his mind. Please just remember that he is a life you brought into this world and you chose to do so, take care of what you created that is a precious life and does not deserve anything negative in his life. Sure parenting can be hard sometimes lord knows I have gotten angry at my child but there is a thing called restraint and maybe you should read into it some. Please god watch over these children today and let them learn the correct way.
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#321 Consumer Comment

Katie and Chanell, diseased infested sluts

AUTHOR: Kristen - (U.S.A.)

Both girls Katie and Chanell, are disgusting disgraces to the human race. Chanell Im not sure it would be a bad idea to go down to the bar and OD on some crack, obviously that is what your on considering your lack of brain cells when you dumped you helpless child in the s****..
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#322 Consumer Comment

Katie and Chanell, diseased infested sluts

AUTHOR: Kristen - (U.S.A.)

Both girls Katie and Chanell, are disgusting disgraces to the human race. Chanell Im not sure it would be a bad idea to go down to the bar and OD on some crack, obviously that is what your on considering your lack of brain cells when you dumped you helpless child in the s****..
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#323 Consumer Comment

Katie and Chanell, diseased infested sluts

AUTHOR: Kristen - (U.S.A.)

Both girls Katie and Chanell, are disgusting disgraces to the human race. Chanell Im not sure it would be a bad idea to go down to the bar and OD on some crack, obviously that is what your on considering your lack of brain cells when you dumped you helpless child in the s****..
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#324 Consumer Comment

Katie and Chanell, diseased infested sluts

AUTHOR: Kristen - (U.S.A.)

Both girls Katie and Chanell, are disgusting disgraces to the human race. Chanell Im not sure it would be a bad idea to go down to the bar and OD on some crack, obviously that is what your on considering your lack of brain cells when you dumped you helpless child in the s****..
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#325 Consumer Comment

Low Life In The Half Fast Lane

AUTHOR: Gregg - (U.S.A.)

Wow, rather than utilizing the computer to maximize their intelligence, some people prefer to just use it to amplify their stupidity!



Not to hurt anyones feeling, but shouldn't the baby just have been left in the s****. />

I was against abortion, but these people have justified it in extreme cases such as theirs. I am now leaning towards advocating forced sterilization for sub-trailer-trash drug users and police science majors.



Jim you are soooooo cute when you get puffed up like a fat old bull frog over yourn edchykachun and state a*s-wipe job. But I don't want to fight you. The joy I get out of stomping the stuffing out of a small man syndrome type such as you; well, it makes me feel guilty.



Will the elvis trays ever get back to their rightful owner? Is Chantel really pregnant or just ready to POP like a giant pus filled pimple? Does Jim really enjoy virtual necrophilia? Can you really work for the real thing at Tupper Lake restaurants? Has Barney locked himself in the cell AGAIN? For answers to these and other in-breeding questions, tune in next week to.....



LOW LIFE IN THE HALF FAST LANE!
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#326 Consumer Comment

I control and manipulate Gary and Jim

AUTHOR: David - (U.S.A.)

Hey Jennifer we must be pretty powerful people here in Arizona to be able to manipulate the actions of these 2 clown shoes in Tupper Lake. I quote "We keep posting on here because of an idiot named David from Bullhead City, Arizona"

Interesting enough if they would go back thru the past reports is that they drew first blood by attacking me. Now that they are getting thier e-asses kicked they start crying.



I for one am waiting breathless for Jim to "expose" us (laughing my a*s off). I'm quite sure he would love me to expose myself to him. Not you however as the closest thing to a woman he gets is a drag queen. Or a female patient where he works who may be 18 but mentaly is 8. His coomments that we know each other is like us telling him he knows Joe Blow in New York City because Tupper Lake is in New York. Him and Gary remind me of that movie Dumb and Dumber. You might as well join me and manipulate them. Its quite entertaining. Kinda like training chimps. These 2 pervs problaby dont even know where Arizona is let alone know that Bullhead City and Gilbert is like 250 miles apart.



Anyways nice to meet you Jennifer. You can take half my workload now "exposing" these two dumb asses haha



As always laughing my a*s of at Jim and Gary
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#327 Consumer Comment

WHAT YOU WANT TO KNOW

AUTHOR: Kelly - (U.S.A.)

This little boy lived in a foster home for a bit, the went to live with his father, who is a respectable, hard working man. He is soon going to get full custody of the baby. I think Chanell sees the baby once in a while, but someone has to be there to watch her. I guess they think that Chanell is going to take of with the baby.

The best part of this entire situation is that Chanell is pregnant again and is due in July. I have no doubt that this one will be taken away also.
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#328 Consumer Suggestion

Tupper Lake never fails to prove to the world what idiots they are!

AUTHOR: Jennifer - (U.S.A.)

Jim....



What gave you the impression that I know this guy Dave? You are definitely not the brightest crayon in the box now are you? FYI- Bullhead City is quite a distance from Gilbert, AZ. I live in the city, the big shabang, the valley of the sun...right outside of Phoenix. You need to brushen up on your geography.



And you are on to us? Who in the hell is "us"???

It's pretty obvious that you small town people don't understand the concept of constructive criticism.



I was simply stating that you folks air your dirty laundry on a PUBLIC WEBSITE, where I might add that anyone in the world is able to visit,

but you b***h whine moan and complain like a bunch of little girls when someone states their opinion of your "humble little town".



Please get over it, for your own sake. You don't want to grow to be a lonely bitter old man, do you?

If you people up there in good ol' Tupperville would stop procreating a heard of retards, this discussion would not be going on.



Now step aside little man...sit down, shut up and enjoy life.
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#329 Consumer Suggestion

Tupper Lake never fails to prove to the world what idiots they are!

AUTHOR: Jennifer - (U.S.A.)

Jim....



What gave you the impression that I know this guy Dave? You are definitely not the brightest crayon in the box now are you? FYI- Bullhead City is quite a distance from Gilbert, AZ. I live in the city, the big shabang, the valley of the sun...right outside of Phoenix. You need to brushen up on your geography.



And you are on to us? Who in the hell is "us"???

It's pretty obvious that you small town people don't understand the concept of constructive criticism.



I was simply stating that you folks air your dirty laundry on a PUBLIC WEBSITE, where I might add that anyone in the world is able to visit,

but you b***h whine moan and complain like a bunch of little girls when someone states their opinion of your "humble little town".



Please get over it, for your own sake. You don't want to grow to be a lonely bitter old man, do you?

If you people up there in good ol' Tupperville would stop procreating a heard of retards, this discussion would not be going on.



Now step aside little man...sit down, shut up and enjoy life.
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#330 Consumer Suggestion

Tupper Lake never fails to prove to the world what idiots they are!

AUTHOR: Jennifer - (U.S.A.)

Jim....



What gave you the impression that I know this guy Dave? You are definitely not the brightest crayon in the box now are you? FYI- Bullhead City is quite a distance from Gilbert, AZ. I live in the city, the big shabang, the valley of the sun...right outside of Phoenix. You need to brushen up on your geography.



And you are on to us? Who in the hell is "us"???

It's pretty obvious that you small town people don't understand the concept of constructive criticism.



I was simply stating that you folks air your dirty laundry on a PUBLIC WEBSITE, where I might add that anyone in the world is able to visit,

but you b***h whine moan and complain like a bunch of little girls when someone states their opinion of your "humble little town".



Please get over it, for your own sake. You don't want to grow to be a lonely bitter old man, do you?

If you people up there in good ol' Tupperville would stop procreating a heard of retards, this discussion would not be going on.



Now step aside little man...sit down, shut up and enjoy life.
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#331 Consumer Comment

Soap Opera

AUTHOR: Candice - (U.S.A.)

You trailer trash from Tupper Lake need to grow up. You have turned this website into your own personal soap opera. None of you have the balls to actually say this to one another so you sit a your computer and type responses like the p*ssy B*tches you all are. To any one reading this who is not from NY, I promise all of NY is NOT like this. These people are absolute white trash who have nothing better to do than tip cows and sleep with their mothers, fathers, uncles, aunts, and cousins. They have babies with 3 eyes and 12 fingers. So, please visit NY just stay as far away from Tupper Lake and its surrounding areas as possible.
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#332 Consumer Comment

Jennifer Baby! Hard to believe you too are from Arizona.

AUTHOR: Jim - (U.S.A.)

Jennifer,



The 3 month old baby boy was given to his fatherand still remains in his custody. We keep posting on here because of an idiot named David from Bullhead City, Arizona. I am sure you know him, I am onto you guys, I will expose you both soon. My point is why not bad mouth your own state? I am sure Arizona has plenty of scandals and corruption. I fear you people are right in Tupper Lake and are causing problems. Anyway Jen get a new life and keep to your own little world. Bye
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#333 Consumer Comment

What ever happened to the poor little boy?

AUTHOR: Jennifer - (U.S.A.)

I know I'm a little late on the topic, but what ever happened to that poor little 3 mo old that was buried in the snow by his alcoholic mother?

I am truly concerned, and I hope that he has been placed in the hands of loving parents. :)



Now on to other things....

Where in the hell is Tupper Lake?



I've read alot on here from people from this little hunky dory hicktown who are upset because everyone is "getting in their business". I'd hate to burst your bubble, but when you come onto a public website and air your dirty laundry, expect people to voice their opinions. Like they say, opinions are like a$$holes, everyone has one. If you give a negative impression of your town then thats on you.

Anyhow.....

Jennifer from AZ baby!
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#334 Consumer Comment

Jay and Silent Bob

AUTHOR: David - (U.S.A.)

Hey Gary I saw you and Jim's movie the other day. If anyone is interested go rent Jay and Silent Bob. It stars our very own Jim and Gary. It's a story about a couple of dead beat stoners.



Yes I agree with you Gary you are a liar. Thanks for confirming that, but then everyone knew that anyway.



Yeah I have a job and unlike yours it has nothing to do with pre-teen boys and girls.



You say you and Jim are the only ones who defend Tupper Lake? Thats a laugh. You two have made Tupper Lake the JOKE of the United States. There is no doubt in my mind that the decent people of Tupper Lake want to tar and feather out of town.



Jim and Gary are "clown shoes" (haha rent the movie) Oh and I have no doubt you were suffering in the south. Southern people dont like child abusers.



Laughing my a*s off at Tupper Lake
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#335 Consumer Comment

DUHHAVID

AUTHOR: Gary - (U.S.A.)

David, I lied. I said I would not respond but the above is so ludicrous, I had to. Tell me about Bullhead City, please. Are you the only idiot, or do you have a club? Jim and I seem to be the only people with the cahonies to defend this town. Is that why you target us? All your bs seems to come from normal working hours, which I understand from some research, you have. When do you work? If ,indeed you do. I know very little about the said incident as I was suffering in the south at that time, with rednecks, racisits of all colors,and pompous a*s's like you.
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#336 Consumer Comment

The baby is back with Jim and Gary?

AUTHOR: David - (U.S.A.)

You got the baby back I see and I assume it is Gary who got her RE-pregnant? It's a shame it will be born in the winter time only to be thrown in a snow bank like it's brother. Tell me Jim will Beth be taking care of the new baby? Probably not as you don't usually keep a woman that long. What a terrible life these kids have to look forward to with fathers like there are in Tupper Lake. Quit getting these young girls pregnant. Have you no shame? I think you and Gary need to have a monogumus relationship with each other. At least neither of you can get each other pregnant.



Once again LMAO at Tupper Lake
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#337 Consumer Comment

Stop using my name

AUTHOR: James - (U.S.A.)

I don't know who is using my name to degrade Chanell, but it better stop, I am no longer with her and I am not interested in her business. I will say once again leave me out of this s**t. I have enough problems dealing with David from Bullhead city, and Sherri from Richmond. people let things be and leave it alone. All above is true but I did not post it. There is a person putting s**t on here that is supposedly me, but is not me. I will let you know when it is Jim.
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#338 Consumer Comment

Kyla, I am Chanells ex

AUTHOR: Jim - (U.S.A.)

Kyla,



I am Chanells ex-boyfriend and she lost her little boy to a foster home. But recently the little boy was placed back with the father. That is where he stays so far. Chanell is still fighting for him. She is now pregnant again with another guys baby.
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#339 Consumer Comment

What happened to the baby?

AUTHOR: Kyla - (U.S.A.)

Whatever happened to the baby? Somewhere along the way people just quit talking about him. Yes, it's horrible what the mother did to him, but I'm sure most of us are just wondering what happened to him. Was the mother able to retain custody? Or was the child placed in foster care?
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#340 Consumer Comment

This is perhaps the saddest and funniest thing I have ever read!

AUTHOR: Randy - (U.S.A.)

Let's first start out by prayer.



Heavenly Father, it is apparent that the world is full of people who need your love, grace and mercy. It is even more apparent that we need you to "come down" once again in order to "make the crooked straight." Please forgive the mother, friends, family, acquaintences, and all involved in the comments and incedents before this (and after) for anything that was ungodly and not edifying to the souls of all involved.



Father, protect and keep the children of that town, and many other for which I have not read of the terror, but you eyes see and weep. ... amen.



Now ... I am not a zealot, but I truly felt that I needed to pray and interceed for you. I hope that you will for others as well.



Channell, I don't know why, what, when or where. But I know he can if you ask. You may not be the right person to be a mother, but you are still a child of God and He still loves you. Pray your prayer; ask for forgiveness; and move on to getting your life in order. It is an undenyable thing that we will all die; be sure to be with Him when that happens. If you really are drinking and drugging (and only you can judge you) - make a decision if that is what He wanted in your life. I'm sure he gave you gifts to leave here... I am VERY SURE!



Jim, I don't know how you were referenced before. You have a job and you are angry for all the publicity for you -- I guess. My apologies for all the pain and negativity thrown your way. May God's peace cover you and may you too share His gifts for you with your world.



Katie, I don't know of your woe's either. I can only offer my prayer and tell you that He loves you -- all of you.



So, in sum... remember that when you write about anyone who writes in, or who you know, He lives in us all. He may not be appreciative of our lives and the things we do... but He is there. So if you call another something unsavory... you are in effect calling it to HIM. I don't know about you guys... but its a chance I am not willing to take.



Lastly, if you or anyone reading this is not ready for a child... please, find an adoptive family that will take care of them. I am a mother and it is HARD! I can't imagine the blow to my mind, ego and soul to give up my child -- but, if I had to in order to avoid all harm or regret... let the Lord of Hosts protect us both as I do it.



With agape love,

VA, DC & MD
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#341 Consumer Comment

Tupper Lake Makes Me Sad

AUTHOR: Jeannine - (U.S.A.)

This is in response to several letters I have read on this subject.



First, to Mike in San Diego thank goodness someone finally said what I am sure many people were thinking. It was the first legible letter I saw.



Second, to Chanell and her "friends", I do not know how old you are but I would think that you would be writing about the obvious issue at hand rather than about fighting each other in bars.



Somehow, it seems that this posting became about a schoolyard fight rather than about an innocent child almost dying. I am a mother and although I can not relate to feeling the way Chanell might have, I think Chanell would benefit greatly from having someone to talk to. This does NOT mean I think she should ever get her child back, but rather to help her become a functioning member of society.



Chanell, I hope you find someone outside of your hometown to help you.
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#342 Consumer Comment

Rumors

AUTHOR: David - (U.S.A.)

Hey Jimbo is there any truth to the rumor that you have been molesting Chanels baby and good grief man isnt that your own child?



Well please let us know as soon as you can what is up. Rumors like this can ruin peoples lives so if its not true speak up. A nation is waiting.



Thank you for exposing that lady that is sucking on the cow udders then again I guess thats better than what you are being acused of sucking.
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#343 Consumer Comment

Rumors

AUTHOR: David - (U.S.A.)

Hey Jimbo is there any truth to the rumor that you have been molesting Chanels baby and good grief man isnt that your own child?



Well please let us know as soon as you can what is up. Rumors like this can ruin peoples lives so if its not true speak up. A nation is waiting.



Thank you for exposing that lady that is sucking on the cow udders then again I guess thats better than what you are being acused of sucking.
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#344 Consumer Comment

Rumors

AUTHOR: David - (U.S.A.)

Hey Jimbo is there any truth to the rumor that you have been molesting Chanels baby and good grief man isnt that your own child?



Well please let us know as soon as you can what is up. Rumors like this can ruin peoples lives so if its not true speak up. A nation is waiting.



Thank you for exposing that lady that is sucking on the cow udders then again I guess thats better than what you are being acused of sucking.
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#345 Consumer Comment

Rumors

AUTHOR: David - (U.S.A.)

Hey Jimbo is there any truth to the rumor that you have been molesting Chanels baby and good grief man isnt that your own child?



Well please let us know as soon as you can what is up. Rumors like this can ruin peoples lives so if its not true speak up. A nation is waiting.



Thank you for exposing that lady that is sucking on the cow udders then again I guess thats better than what you are being acused of sucking.
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#346 Consumer Comment

To Corrina from good ole Pennsylvania

AUTHOR: Jim - (U.S.A.)

Corrina,



You should keep your lips off the cows udders and get yourself a man to have fun with. I am not going to drink myself to death their sweety pie. I do not drink anymore, thank you. By the way are you a menanite or are you amish.



I used to live in Pennsylvania and they make up a vast majority of people in that farm state. well, in any event I hope you take baths in the local pond or something seeings how you can't have running water or electricity.



By the way how did you get access to electricity and a computer? well, I really say this is amusing to have you say something as dumb as I should drink myself to death. Like they say, paybacks a b***h and so are women. Chow darling.
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#347 Consumer Comment

Hello from the "real Tupper Lake"

AUTHOR: Gary - (U.S.A.)

It is very disturbing that all you people think this way about Tupper Lake. What you see here is such a small percentage of fools. Tupper really is a good place and all of these REPORTS are being dealt with in a civilized manner. Our idiots seem to be somewhat computer literate , even if they themselves are somewhat illiterate. Yes and please excususe MY spelling as it has always been a short point. We may be HICKS, but we DO try. Thank you for your time. Gary.
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#348 Consumer Suggestion

what a mess

AUTHOR: William - (U.S.A.)

first of all lets look at the length of the squallering that is going on,, a year!!! first of all we all have rights and our honor to defend but i tell you what---child abuse is no joke and i think they should strung up with pedophiles in stead of keeping tabs on them and having them get lost in the huge space we call earth.

for one thing chanel you should be hiding at where ever you are,i would be affraid to show my face in this world especially with the hostile attitude you have over wanting someone to show thier face so you can do what? make a larger attempt at making an a*s out of yourself. if i was you i would be watching my back and keeping my mouth shut. i think that this is a somewhat small commmunity? i dont know because i have never heard of this community but if i was you people up there i would have a town rally.

one more thing for the all the people who read this stuff, why dont all of you get together and start picketing the locals and the state out there to take that child away instead of getting on here and throwing out your dirty laundry and talking stupid!!! good luck, i think the people in tupper lake are gonna need it!
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#349 Consumer Comment

Go Drink yourselves to Death....please

AUTHOR: Corinna - (U.S.A.)

Ok, This is supposed to be about the little helpless baby whoes life was in danger. I can almost guarantee that if Chanell continues to be a part of his life, he doesn't have a chance of a good childhood, or as a result, a good life as an adult. Who cares who sleeps with who in your simple low life town, or about the local hang-out, and who cares about someone else who has a daughter who was taken away from her (that problem has apparently been solved), its a shame that this poor little baby wasn't taken from Chanell permanantly as well. Although somewhat entertaining, please stop all of your petty high-school games... your adults now, (some are parents) and it's time to live adult lives. That doesn't include drinking until wee hours of the night, or mistreating an infant. That baby didn't choose his mom, and if he could have, he wouldn't have chosen her, thats obvious. Thinking about it all, maybe it would be a good thing to encourage all of those... Jim, Chanell, and Tom or whoever else associated with those people to drink themselves to death... the world would be a better place.
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#350 Consumer Comment

Dave, Hello!

AUTHOR: Gary - (U.S.A.)

Dave, I am Gary , Not Jim, and I have no idea who Jack is. I have scoped out other Rip off reports and it seems you have your nose in everyone's business. GET A LIFE! Crime in BHC 2001- Tl 2000, BHC 2 murders- TL 0, Rapes, BHC11- TL 0, robberies BHC27- TL 0, agr. assaults BHC153- TL, 4. That serious enough for you Dave? Bye the way , my phone is in my ladies name. You are a very vicious person Dave, what is your problem. Yes , I am under-educated, but at least I do not hassle people for some sick sence of glory. I have a good life and , Yes, Jim IS a friend of mine. I am still a proud resident of Tupper Lake, and you Dave can take a hike. TY Gary.
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#351 Consumer Suggestion

Response to Jim - Oh My Gosh

AUTHOR: Jasper - (U.S.A.)

Jimbo,



Quit trying to come off as some big badass. You're not impressing anyone with your education. Just because you have a degreee, doesn't mean squat. I worked for a man with 3 masters, and he was dumber than a box of rocks. Being a state empoloyee gives you no more intelligence than does being a homeless vet. As for Chanell and Katie, they are a couple of fun gals. I can't wait till we can hook up sometime and have the time of our lives. Chanell, you're number one with me baby.
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#352 Consumer Comment

Look whos Talking Jim Gary Jack LMAO!!!

AUTHOR: David - (U.S.A.)

Jim my boy your as phony as a 9 dollar bill and obviously the father of the s****. />

You have said repeatedly in many of your posts that you dont care what people think of you but it doesnt look like it to me.



Well you keep leaning on that state shovel Jim but your not fooling anyone. One post you say Tupper Lake is good and then in this topic your say its bad. Make up your mind college boy, and Jim........try to cut down on the drugs ok



Continuing to laugh my a*s off at Tupper Lake
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#353 Consumer Comment

In response to " Oh my god"

AUTHOR: Jim - (U.S.A.)

You are a total a*s who doesn't know how to spell but can say that NY State workers are dumb. I have an a.a.s. degree in criminal justice so don't even go that route that I am dumb. If you have problem with me than state your name and lets discuss this together. I post my name so why are you afraid to post yours. I see I am the brave guy here. I will talk to you soon Phantom.
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#354 Consumer Comment

GOOD LORD !

AUTHOR: OH My Gosh! - (U.S.A.)

I am amazed that people like this actually excist, what is bad about that is that I am from Kentucky and I have never met anyone this f***ing ignorant! You all really just need to grow up and be responsable for all of your actions the bad as well as the good!



Jim just because you work for the state doesn't meen your a genius! Some of the dumbest people I know work for the state.



You also take offence to easy people were deffending you,and here you are saying you'd like to kick their butts.



Sorry got off track just really wanted to say that all three of you are severly immature and need to find more things to do with your time than screwing and having children that you are just going to mess up emotionally in the long run.
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#355 Consumer Comment

How bout some pics???

AUTHOR: David - (U.S.A.)

This Tupper Lake drama is great!!! I was wondering if one of you could post some pictures of everyone so those of us who enjoy reading about you could see what you all look like.
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#356 Consumer Comment

Tupperville talk again

AUTHOR: Jim - (U.S.A.)

Anne, Whats your problem with me? I am sorry but I don't Know anyone named Anne with the exception of the Anne who works with my mother. If this is some kind of joke, knock it off. If someone screws with me I screw with them. I don't care who they are. Leave me alone and I shall leave you alone. I am not an antagonist here. well I proved my point and will close now. See you.
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#357 Consumer Comment

Tupper Lake is not so bad.....

AUTHOR: Anne - (U.S.A.)

To anyone that reads this report on Chanelle, Katie, and Poor Jim -who doesn't want to be involved,- and any of the others mentioned, I know them all and believe me Chanelle and Katie don't make up the breed of this town. These are two girls caught up in adolesent behavior which I hope they grow out of. Girls, you are being so imature. Stop the mud slinging and take into consideration your child, your parents and your true friends that have to read this stuff about you. Katie, your father would be horrified.



Believe me Tupper Lake is a wonderful little town with alot of wonderful people in it. From the Apple Tree falls a few rotten apples. That doesn't mean the tree is no good.
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#358 Consumer Comment

A COMMENT TO ALL OF THIS

AUTHOR: LINDA - (U.S.A.)

well chanell you may not know me but my children do... listern all this name calling is not the iusse.... THAT INNOCENT CHILD IS... if you could not find a babysitter you should have choose not to go out with your so called friends... they would have understood if they were true friends... the baby didn't ask to be brought into this world and now that he is here you as the mother should love and care for him... maybe if you give up your rights to him he will be able to live a real life and be loved by someone who wants him.... SO PLEASE DON'T BRING ANY MORE CHILDREN INTO THIS WORLD UNTILL YOU ARE READY TO BE A MOM.... i have een this kind of mothering more then once and the child is better off with someone who cares and loves him/her.... so if you TRUELY LOVE him you will let him be loved and cared for by some one who wants to do the mothering...... and to all of yo who read all of this story not every one who comes from TUPPER LAKE doesnt act like this..... GOD BLESS ALL THE LITTLE PEOPLE IN THE WORLD......
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#359 Consumer Suggestion

God Bless You and Keep You Safe Chanell

AUTHOR: Robert - (U.S.A.)

Your childhood must have been as bad or worse than your own Childs life began. I do not judge you or anyone else. I believe it would be best if you were not to have any more children and to let a loving foster family raise your innocent child. Try not to think about yourself for awhile. Life is not about what you want or can get, its about what you can give. I know of these things because I have some similar traits, although I have never and will never abuse and innocent child. As the father of two college age sons, I never knew love so unconditional than when I witnessed the birth of my boys. Pure and unconditional love. A part of myself made manifest. You don't need to be with those people who bring you down. Rise above and look around. You don't need anything, you are everything already. Simply be the person God intended. Just go with the flow and you can realize happiness, peace of mind and the easy life God intended for us all.
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#360 Consumer Comment

Give your baby a chance

AUTHOR: Brooke - (U.S.A.)

I am amazed that Chanell still has custody of her child! Instead of trying to improve her and her child's lives, she is too busy badmouthing everyone else. Don't you realize that you have had serious allegations brought against you and are in danger of losing your own flesh and blood? Obviously you don't care. Doing what you did to your child, how can you even consider yourself a human being? The best thing that you can do is to give your baby up. That way you can go on living your pathetic life and your baby can actually have a chance in this world. Chanell most people are reading your statements and are seeing how uneducated and ignorant you are. It's a shame that you probably don't even realize this. I pray that you use birth control and never bring another child into this world.



With all the freedoms and opportunities that we have in the United States, why do people continue to live this way???
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#361 Consumer Comment

Katie Dechene, has problems

AUTHOR: Chanell - (U.S.A.)

My ex boyfriend went out with this girl who had two previous boyfriends committ suicide, and was mistreated and abused by her. She gave her daughter that belonged to her her boyfriend, that shot himself , over to her dad. She continually drinks and has affairs for cocaine and a place to stay. She also likes threesomes, she had one with her ex's old girlfriend and ex girls boyfriend. She also likes to sleep with her old ex-boyfriends like Eric Fortier, she was at his camp about a week ago. I wonder what they were up to? I am sure they were riding the hobby horse. Katie is a w***e and needs to get a life. She is probably diseased infected by now. Bye
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#362 Consumer Comment

Bad Mother

AUTHOR: Elizabeth - (Puerto Rico)

I am the mother of 2 and a half year old. I understand what it is like to be at the end of your rope and have no patience. But what I do as a responsible parent is to walk away and calm myself down. I do not hit, throw or abuse my child in any way. What an awful way to break a child's heart.. You should sincerly look at alternative methods of birth control and find a way to sign your little boy over to a loving "family" who will potect him and love him. In all of your ranting letters to this board..Not once did you mention that you loved your child or wanted to have him back...If I had been you..that would have been one of the first things out of my mouth.. I suppose your priorities are elsewhere..what a shame. I hope the best for your little boy and pray that the state makes the right decsion this time...
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#363 Consumer Comment

birth control is so readily available

AUTHOR: Sierra - ()

Very sad, when birth control is so readily available in this day and age. There are also many couples who wait years to adopt an infant or cannot afford to because of outrageous agency fees.



Aside from all of that, one can only hope that the people involved in this will eventually get their lives straightened out and go on to lead productive lives. I am not writing to 'name-call' or bad-mouth anyone, but just to hope for the best, to all involved.
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#364 Consumer Comment

GROW UP

AUTHOR: RENEE - ()

I am sickened by these letters of crap, you are old enough to bring children in to this world that are supposed to be gods greatest gifs and ya'll are turning it into some side show. There is an innocent babies life at stake and all ya'll can do is call each other sluts, ect.



I am not judging any of you because I could really care less who sleeps with who, but I can't help but be a little sad because now that I am ready to have a child at the age of 36, i dont think I can.



You see parting and going to bars and dating were always more important but now I would trade all the fun to know whats it's like to be a mother and have a bond like no other.



Channel wake up and be a good mother, get help, this might be your only chance,move away if you have to men and friends aint s**t compared to your child. I hope you make the right choice and have no regrets.Be strong there is no room to be selfish being a mother
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#365 Consumer Suggestion

Is everyone in Tupper illiterate?

AUTHOR: Mike - ()

This is the most amazing post I have ever read. Not one of you people can spell, let alone articulate anything even remotely resembling an intelligent thought. Please, for the sake of your neglected children, get an education, lay off the dope and please, please, please, stop having children you are clearly too ignorant to raise.
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#366 Consumer Comment

Are you missing the point Chanell?

AUTHOR: Jody - ()

My goodness, I don't think I have seen this level of immaturity since grade school!! I am nowhere near Tupper Lake, NY, nor do I even know where that is. And this is going to amuse those of you who actually get it, but I live in Arkansas of all places, and in the 3 years that I have lived here, I don't believe I have ever heard of a more severe case of child abuse, and that is amazing considering how many ignorant people reside here.



Now, being from the south I am not very familiar with heavy snow and the severe weather conditions of the northern US, however, tossing a tiny (appearantly malnurished) infant into a snow bank in freezing rain sounds to me like attempted homicide, not child abuse. I have read all the comments made, (mind you it's 11pm and I can't sleep) and some people have some really great theories about what should be done about this poor baby boy. And then there is Chanell herself, MY GOD WOMAN WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU??



Never mind that what you have done to this baby is inexplicably horrendous, but what are you doing now?? Still going to this bar? Defying the Judge's orders? While reading your responses by others, and admitedly some aren't very nice or even tactful to say the least, I noticed you were more interested in physically harming any individual that dared to critisize you than to let people know what you were doing to regain custody of your child, or even defending what you did (although how could you, there is no defense for something so horrible) Not once did I see you type anything whatsoever in regards to your love or concern of this child, and your certainly not actively trying to change your life to accomidate the everyday responsibilities of motherhood.. Are you missing the point??



Even those of us who do not live in NY or anywhere near it are outraged at your behavior. My personal opinion is that you should be in prison. But the fact remains that the criminal justice system has failed, as it does sometimes, and you are free to live your life in any manner you choose. I agree with the countless others who have suggested you terminate your parental rights and go on to live your unproductive life as usual. Even though I am not a violent individual I aslo agree with those who say you need to have your block knocked off. What is wrong with you, you need to seriously reconsider your behavior and how it affects your child, and by some miracle perhaps you will do the right thing.



To all the other concerned that may read this, I think it would be a wonderful idea for those that agree with my statements to maybe write letters to the judge, newspapers, radio stations, anyone who will listen and provide them with evidence that this woman is not a fit mother and she has no intention of doing what is best for this baby. Maybe someone will listen and this child will have the good fortune of being taken away from this monster and placed with a loving, caring, RESPONSIBLE, family....



Now I want you to pay attention Chanell, I am going to bed now, so that I can be awake and alert to properly take care of my own 2 children. You see..that is what a good mother does.
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#367 Consumer Suggestion

The Jerry Springer Show ..she does not deserve her baby back!

AUTHOR: wendy - ()

Well, after reading the last few comments made by this Channel, I for one am convinced that she does not deserve her baby back!



Sounds like she is still too busy acting like a child herself by going back to Mud Puddles, whatever the hell that is, and looking for fights. Seems to me that she may need someone to take care of HER and tell her what she needs to be doing, just as someone needs to be doing for her child.



Are we still in the medieval days of fist-fighting? I havent heard of anyone doing that since I got out of jr.high school. I swear I've heard the same comments that I've read on the last few posts on the Jerry Springer show.



I'd love to see this woman on the John Walsh show...he would have no mercy on a child-abuser like this. And thats EXACTLY what she is, A CHILD ABUSER.



I myself was raised with an alcoholic father and I know what that child has to look forward to if left in this woman's care and I have NO SYMPATHY for this woman.



I just pray that God will look after this child because the mother that was chosen for him in this life was mistaken for someone who gave a d**n. I also pray that she runs across that ONE person in life who will do to her what she did to her child.



To any judge that may read this post, PLEASE, I urge you to not give this woman her baby back and to take the one she is supposedly carrying for her the moment it's born. Don't let the Susan Smith case repeat itself...HELP THESE BABIES!
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#368 Consumer Comment

One to talk

AUTHOR: Scott - ()

I find it ridiculous and laughable that this lowlife loser to the third power (Chanell) has the audacity to utter the words "Get a life" and "You dont know the story" and "Your going no where in life". My god, you heap of garbage Chanell, what possible twist could you put on this story to make it the "right" version of the story. Either way you look at it, you did it...that makes you the lowest form of fecies not only in Tupper Lake but in the whole North Country.



I dont want outsiders reading this story and thinking all of Northern NY is like this..Chanell is the exception to the people up here, some may not have money or alot of intelligence but this "woman", I use the term loosly is'nt smart enough to be an idiot. Do us all a favor Chanell, get fixed or get dead...do something but for christs sake dont have another child!
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#369 Consumer Comment

One to talk

AUTHOR: Scott - ()

I find it ridiculous and laughable that this lowlife loser to the third power (Chanell) has the audacity to utter the words "Get a life" and "You dont know the story" and "Your going no where in life". My god, you heap of garbage Chanell, what possible twist could you put on this story to make it the "right" version of the story. Either way you look at it, you did it...that makes you the lowest form of fecies not only in Tupper Lake but in the whole North Country.



I dont want outsiders reading this story and thinking all of Northern NY is like this..Chanell is the exception to the people up here, some may not have money or alot of intelligence but this "woman", I use the term loosly is'nt smart enough to be an idiot. Do us all a favor Chanell, get fixed or get dead...do something but for christs sake dont have another child!
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#370 Consumer Comment

One to talk

AUTHOR: Scott - ()

I find it ridiculous and laughable that this lowlife loser to the third power (Chanell) has the audacity to utter the words "Get a life" and "You dont know the story" and "Your going no where in life". My god, you heap of garbage Chanell, what possible twist could you put on this story to make it the "right" version of the story. Either way you look at it, you did it...that makes you the lowest form of fecies not only in Tupper Lake but in the whole North Country.



I dont want outsiders reading this story and thinking all of Northern NY is like this..Chanell is the exception to the people up here, some may not have money or alot of intelligence but this "woman", I use the term loosly is'nt smart enough to be an idiot. Do us all a favor Chanell, get fixed or get dead...do something but for christs sake dont have another child!
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#371 Consumer Comment

One to talk

AUTHOR: Scott - ()

I find it ridiculous and laughable that this lowlife loser to the third power (Chanell) has the audacity to utter the words "Get a life" and "You dont know the story" and "Your going no where in life". My god, you heap of garbage Chanell, what possible twist could you put on this story to make it the "right" version of the story. Either way you look at it, you did it...that makes you the lowest form of fecies not only in Tupper Lake but in the whole North Country.



I dont want outsiders reading this story and thinking all of Northern NY is like this..Chanell is the exception to the people up here, some may not have money or alot of intelligence but this "woman", I use the term loosly is'nt smart enough to be an idiot. Do us all a favor Chanell, get fixed or get dead...do something but for christs sake dont have another child!
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#372 Consumer Comment

Sick of this

AUTHOR: chanell - ()

Who the hell do you think you are talking s**t about me? You don't even know me cause you don't know the situation. Take a look at who signed the statement Renee Shanty a dumb b*tch. If anyone wants to talk sh*t leave your name and or say it to our faces but the way I look at it you don't even have the guts to leave your name. you are all the same you can talk sh*t but you can't back the talk up. GET A f**kEN LIFE!!!!!!!!!!!

Know the facts before you talk. You people are not going no were in life.
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#373 Consumer Comment

talk is cheap

AUTHOR: Jim - ()

First, I would like to condone the fact that the idiot that wrote s**+* about me obviously doesn't no s**+* about me because if She did, she would know that I do not take drugs. Second, I have to say that I am not involved in Katie and Chanell's affairs. What they do is their business and not yours or mine. Third, I have to say that your not very educated because you can't even spell correctly. Fourth, I would like to know who is talking s**t about me. Come on and give me your name, don't tell me your afraid of me. don't be known as the welfare coward.
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#374 Consumer Comment

why don't you get a life

AUTHOR: Jim - ()

This is in response to the idiot that has decided to talk s**t about me. I do not do drugs so LAY OFF. Second, I would bet your no prize either and third I have the best life one could expect to have in this s**t hole town. Why don't you post your name so I may defend myself against you. Your probably just a little cashier making minimum wage while I have a state job. See you around.
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#375 Consumer Comment

This is sicking Neither of you have room to talk

AUTHOR: Sick of this - ()

Oh my god !!!! This is just unreal . Katie and Chennel fighting . Let me start by saying the 2 of you are made for each other . not 1 of you are better then the other.



Lets start with Katie , This girl has a daughter who she signed over to her father to raise . She went to a rehab and did her time came out and started her s**t all over again .



Drugs and Drinking are much more important then raiseing her child .The bars are no place for you to be You have enough problems as I can see. Now Chenell , Here you are looseing your baby .



I cant say much about your case as for I dont know you well but I can say this the bar is no place for you either . As a mother I would be more into fighting for my child back then going to the bars drinking and looking to fight . But then again I would have never throwen my child in a snow bank , cause I wanted to go out drinking .



I think you both need to sit and take a long look at your lifes its sad your both young and going no place . Better yet stop thinking about just yourselfs and start thinking about those kids you brought in this world and have decided to have very little if anything at all to do with .



As for Jim LaVair I think hes nothing to be fighting over hes just as bad as the 2 of you Thank God hes has brought no kids in this world . All he does is drink and do drugs and hes another 1 going no place in his life . But then again the only 1 I see that did anything good with there life is his older brother hard to believe he came from that crew.



I do have a question for Chenell the father of this kid you threw in the snow bank I was wondering where does he stand in all of this ? and Katie no questions for you I know you pretty well and nothing you do shocks me no more .



I know where the father of your child is and If he was here he would take care of his child but we know where he is and personally I think your crazy family put him where he is I dont think he did it himself. Im gonna close by saying you both need to grow up and make something of your lives
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#376 Consumer Comment

Katie Dechene is a lying/cheating b*tch

AUTHOR: chanell - ()

Katie Dechene is nothing but a low-life c**t and a h*o. You go to mudd puddles wearing nothing but a bikini top and tight a*s jeans. You make me and everyone else in tupper lake sick. My best friend, you're ex-boyfriend likes me unlike you.

You are all talk no action. You say you want to kick my a*s but you will not say or do anything to me. Katie you know nothing about my court orders. Were you there when this supposedly happened? Answer:NO Were you in court with me? Answer: NO Jim wants you to stop calling him because you are nothing but a lying and a cheating b***h. You should talk cause you can not support you're child. Katie if you have somthing to say then say it. If you want to kick my a*s then do it, but one thing is for sure, you will not be able to. You are a suicidal b***h. You like to put knives up to peoples throats. You think you are really all that,but you are not all that. you are nasty. You think you can't work but you are fine, you can work but you don't want to. All you want to do is live off everyone elses pay checks. All you and you're so-called friends are back stabbers. You better not go to mudd puddles no more or you will get you're a*s kicked not only by me but, by other people that also think you are nasty. You may think you will go somewhere but you will go nowhere or be anything for the rest of you're life. Katie, mind you're own business and stop critisizing other people, I am not saying me because I could care less what anyone in tupper lake has to say about or thinks about me, cause I know the truth and you and everyone else does not. I know everything that I have said in this is true, SO HAVE A NICE LIFE LOOSER
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#377 Consumer Comment

Chenelle should not get her baby back

AUTHOR: Peter - ()

Dear Chenelle,



I actually feel sorry for you. You have no remorse for what you have done. You don't even recognize the consequences of your actions. You are still out at Mudd Puddles every Thursday and Saturday. If you were trying to get your kid back, then you would not be there. Maybe you think that going out and getting drunk is the "cool" thing to do. You think that you are making friends. But in all actuality, people don't like you there, mostly because of what you have done.



Just because the baby did not die, does not mean that any damage was not done. The most important years of a persons life is between the ages of 1 and 5. You are scruing this kids head up already.



Being human, we all make mistakes. I think if you are truly sorry, you need to acknowledge what you have done and acknowledge that it was wrong. You don't need acknowledge this to your "so called friends," but you need to know in your heart that it was wrong.



Then Chenelle, you should sign away your parental rights. You are not mature enough to have this baby. You can give this child the best gift it could ever receive. Plus you can give a deserving couple who can't have children a gift. It takes someone really strong to do that. In the end, people may look at you a little differently and may actually respect more for being loving, courageous, and honest and doing the right thing.



I hope you make the right decision
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#378 Consumer Comment

what part of kentucky are you from?

AUTHOR: tony - ()

wow. the whole story just makes me want to puke.

i have a suggestion for you stump jumpers, try a

little spontanaeity in the old gene pool.
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#379 Consumer Comment

Dirty Diseased Person...

AUTHOR: Mary - ()

You make me sick, you go out almost every night pick up some scum ball that will sleep with you and spred all kinds of diseases around. You say you miss your son and your getting him back, but your ignoring all the rules that the judge gave you in the process.



Your not suppose to be in bars and your not suppose to be drinking. You don't want your child back you just have this fictional imagination that your going to get him back.



You live in your own world and most people in Tupper Lake would agree to stay away from your ex-boyfriends. I am sick of you calling my fiance and asking him to do favors for you. He doesn't like you at all. And for a matter of fact no one likes you in this town so stop acting like they do.



I will never believe in our system again. You should have gone to jail for almost killing a baby that didn't ask to be born. What is wrong with this world!!!!!
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#380 Consumer Comment

OMG!

AUTHOR: Ex-Friend - ()

And who was WITH Jessica R. in the car????????

CHANELLE! And a better question than WHERE is the babys father is WHO is the babys father, she blames a different person every week!
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#381 REBUTTAL Owner of company

YOU SHOULD TALK

AUTHOR: CONCERNED - ()

TO THE PEOPLE WHO SAY YOU WERE HER FRIEND YOU SHOULD REALLY THINK ABOUT ABUSE BEFORE YOU TALK

jESSICA R.



YOUR ONE YEAR OLD HIT HER HEAD ON A COFFEE TABLE WAS BLEADING AND YOU ROAD AROUND FOR AN HOUR UNTILL SHE FELL ASLEEP THEN DECIDED TO CALL THE RESCUE BECAUSE SHE WOULD NOT WAKE UP.



YOU CALL YOURSELF A GOOD MOM. MOST YOUR NIGHTS ARE SPENT IN MUDD PUDDLES SLUTING AROUN. WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO WITH YOUR SECOND CHILD HOPE THIS ONE DONT WAKE UP!!!!



YOU SHOULD TALK PENNY.S YOUR 4 YEAR OLD HAS NO TEETH FROM NOT BEING TAKING CARE OF. YOU CALL YOUR KIDS LITTLE F**KERS AND SLAP THEM ALL THE TIME THATS NOT ABUSE THINK BEFORE YOU TALK. AND IF IT WAS NOT FROM YOU DAUGHTERS LIES ALEX WOULD STILL BE WITH HIS FAMILY.
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#382 Consumer Comment

Fed Up

AUTHOR: kelly - ()

Ok...so Chanelle really should never get her child back...i totally agree...i could cry for this poor child who did nothing wrong but to be born to a horrible person....but where is the father?? Also whoever posted the fake message by tom prue...try again...his name is spelled TOM PROUX...i pray for the poor child
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#383 Consumer Comment

FED UP

AUTHOR: Foster Mom - ()

I am a foster parent who has to take care of and help children who are abused, neglected ect... and I find it sooo frustrateing how a mother could toss there child out like that with no reguard to the life of this poor child.



So called parents like these don't have to deal with the behavioral problems or the anger that many of these children have to deal with on a daily basis due to their selfishness with little or no reguard to the children.



Maybe they should think of useing some sort of protection so they won't have to worry about the "incovience" a child brings into there so called pathetic lives.



I would love to have this girl come to my home and see what effects this kind of behavior has on a child, how it will effect them their whole lives. Maybe she would stop thinking of herself and start putting the children first.



Haveing a child is a lifelong committment and you yes you the mother has to make many many sacrifices, becaues a child is a gift from god and should be cherished and nurtured and loved.



I love being a foster parent don't get me wrong but it is so heartbreaking to see the condition some of the children I have had in my home and I get so dam mad at the parents and am very frustrated.



Hearing about this incadent just infrueated me so much that I had to put my two cents in for whatever it is worth. Thank you.
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#384 Consumer Comment

Stay away from my children

AUTHOR: Someone who knows her very well - ()

I have been a friend to chanell for years and she did throw he son in the snow bank. I just want to let chanell to know to stay away from my house and my new baby.She does not need to end up like alex. dorry chanell but it was a hard decision to make

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#385 Consumer Comment

Why do people do this crap

AUTHOR: Tom Prue - ()

Hi Chanell and other commentors:



I have known chanell my whole life, she was very kind to me. It kills me to see people post things like this on the internet.



What Chanell has done is very very wrong, and I know that she knows it too, but I know her well enough that she will straighten up, hopefully, and with help everything will be find.



I read comments from people that don't even know Chanell and its messed up on what they say she should do. Well, first of all i have a lot of faith, that Chanell and the baby will be just fine and both will have a better wonderful life. I do not know the father, but I hope that he helps in being apart of this childs life and be's the daddy the kid needs.



Any ways, Chanell you are a cousin and a dear friend, and i luv ya and the baby.
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#386 Consumer Suggestion

solution for people that think abusing children is the way...

AUTHOR: Danielle - ()

As i read these comments, I can not stop thinking about the others that would love to have children and for some reason they are not able to have them. Then there are the ones that have children and can not take care of them properly. My suggestion is.. why dont these mothers that have children and can take care of them, let the parents that can adobt them. These children need a good start to a good live, its not there fault that they are born into a unhealthy live.. I my self would love to take in another child.
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#387 Consumer Comment

Chanelle has not learned her lesson

AUTHOR: Amanda - ()

I really feel sorry for that little baby if he goes back to her. she doesnt have any maternal instincts or any any nurturing ways toward a baby and if she is pregnant again, God help the little baby as well as the one she may be carrying now. What will she do to get attention from anyone who will give her attention.Please, dont let her get this baby back until she has proven responsibility and that she is willing to give up her wild ways annd all the guys she sleeps around with. everyone who lives in this area where she dooes knoows that she can not ever be caring enough for THAT...
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#388 0

... ask any person in the adironack region they will tell you that she is CRAZY!!!!

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Chanell is know trying to put the blame on an ex-friend who helped the baby. How nasty is this mother really? She cant take the responsiblities of what she has done. Now thinks she is pregnant again god please help this other child its asking for the help.do you think a women like this would not throw an infant in a snow bank ask any person in the adironack region they will tell you that she is CRAZY!!!!
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#389 Consumer Comment

Channel Fournier: A Twisted Fairy Tale

AUTHOR: Alicia - ()

Once upon a time there was a young woman who had a baby. She lived in a lovely little town, called Tupper Lake. She didn't really want to have a baby.



It was an accident, but miracles do happen and one day a beautiful baby boy was born to her. She named him after a great ruler. This baby boy came into her life and changed it forever. He was not the perfect 'doll' that she had somehow expected him to be.



He cried a lot, as babies do. She didn't know what to do with him. She really had no one to help her with this baby. Some babies have mothers and fathers, but this one had only this young woman to take care of him. She soon grew tired of the novelty of being a mother. She didn't want her life to change.



She liked going out on the town and drinking with her friends. What had she done to her life? She grew frustrated and considered how her life might change again. Why shouldn't she enjoy herself? This baby was a nuissance.



So one evening when it was very cold and this young woman felt like going out, she decided that this was as good a night as any to discard of this nuissance. She threw him into a snow bank. She considered that perhaps when she returned from her night out, that he might not be such a nuissance anymore.



Fortunately, someone noticed the baby in the snow bank and called the authorities. The baby was put into a safe shelter. The young woman's life changed again. She had her freedom again. She could go out drinking and bowling and spend time with her new boyfriend whenever she wanted. The authorities made sure that the little boy had a safe and happy life after that. The young woman would never be bothered by the nuissance of that baby again. They all lived happily ever after...without each other. The end...but thankfully, not the end for the baby's life....



Something to think about...Some real life stories are more twisted and bizarre than fairy tales...
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#390 Consumer Comment

Channel Fournier: Consider the Life of a Child

AUTHOR: Jill - ()

Dear Channel:



I am sure that by now you are feeling very badly about what you did to your baby. I wonder how it must feel to be such a young mother who was so frustrated that you were forced to do such an unspeakable deed. You are young, unmarried, without any security and the mother of a young baby. It must be difficult. Your days of being carefree to enjoy your days in whatever way you might like are over. You now have to take care of a baby. This is a 24 hour a day job. And believe me, it is a job...the hardest one you will ever have.



So...one night, you decide that you want to get away from that baby. You want to go out drinking with your friends. One problem...you have this baby to take care of. You ask someone to take care of him. No one wants to. Even your own mother is too busy to take care of him. She reminds you that he is yours to take care of, not her problem. So, you still want to get away from this burden, this baby. What to do? Well, why not throw him into a snow bank? Sure, that should solve your babysitter dilemna. Maybe, no one will find him. You will go out on the town. You will eventually return home and with some luck, you think, he won't be a problem anymore. After all, he wasn't planned. You are not even sure of who his father is. Channel, it is easy to understand that you are not quite ready to be a mother to this child. Take some time. Think about your future. Do you really want to raise a child now? This baby deserves a future. Give him a chance...give up your parental rights...give him a chance to have a happy life where he is more than a nuisance.



If you are sorry for what you have done, do the right thing...give him up to a family who has the time for him. You have done your part in his life...now it is time to do the right thing and give this little boy a future.



From someone who knows. Someone who made the right decision a long time ago.
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#391 Consumer Comment

would like to comment on report on deadbeat Mom whatever happened to the little baby

AUTHOR: Carlotta - ()

Last night I watched a show on tv called DATELINE and have been thinking ever since about the little baby that was left in the snoowbank. this show was about foster parents whho took an abused child and cared and nurtured it and it was later returned to the parent.



It didnt matter that it was not a safe environment with a grandfather who was a child abuser and a new boyfriend who was beating the child and eventually KILLED her at 2 years old. It brought to mind this little three week old whose mother so heartlessly put there for her own intentions so that she could go out. proably to Mud Puddles where she is so often seen in an intoxicated stupor



If thos mother (if anyone wants to call her a mother)gets her baby back is it not possible that this same sort of thing will happen Is there a judge out there willing to take this responsibility.. As a nurse in a big city hospital I see alot of sad situations andin most times history repeats itsself
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#392 Consumer Comment

Channel Fournier: Consider the Life of a Child

AUTHOR: Pamela - ()

When I first heard of the story of the baby who had been tossed into a snow bank on a freezing and rainy night, I was appalled. How could anyone do this to a tiny baby? I am a mother and a health care professional. I provide medical care to babies every day and when I consider the helplessness of a three-week old baby, I cannot help but feel disgust for the person who would disregard the precious life of a child.



I have been tired and frustrated as a mother. I have stayed up nights until I did not think I could go a moment longer without sleep. I have had a baby who would not stop crying. I have felt like I needed help. I have felt alone and I think that I have even felt what might have been post-partum depression. I have never felt like I could ever have thrown my baby into the cold to die.



I have held a baby, looked into his eyes and known that this life was mine to nurture. Mine to protect and mine to love. I chose his father very carefully. His father and I planned and provided a safe and loving home. Our baby was fortunate.



Why was this baby discarded? Why was this little boy's life so disrespected? Why are some babies born luckier than others? It doesn't seem fair. This little baby who was tossed into the cold night did not start his life in the way that he should have. BUT, he survived and he now deserves the right to a safe and happy life. He deserves a FUTURE with parents who will love him and nurture him and treasure his life. He deserves to look into the eyes of a mother and father who value him.



Who am I writing this letter to? Anyone who cares... The judge who decides upon this baby's future...The mother who threw his little body into a snow bank...a couple who could provide him with a good life...A decision must be made soon. The mother of this child needs serious help. She probably wants him back because that is an instinct. But consider that her maternal instincts are lacking. A MOTHER does not kill her child.



I am amazed that there has not been a mass response to this story. Are we so desensitized that we are willing to sit back and allow a tiny baby to be returned to a monster who could toss him into a s****. />

Remember back to the last time you saw a tiny baby...remember that little body,remember those trusting eyes, that innocent smile.



This little baby weighed only seven pounds at one month of age..I know...This is not a normal weight of a baby of that age. He was abused weeks before he was abandoned. He was a nuissance to that mother. As a health professional, I urge any reader of my message to get involved with this case. Write to your local councillor, your local judge, child protective agencies, your local newspaper or local television station. Be the voice for this baby. Don't let him go back to the woman who abused him. Don't wait until it is too late and we hear his name again...next time maybe he won't survive. Value the life of a child.



Someone who knows...that life is precious.
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#393 Consumer Comment

Tossing Life in the trash

AUTHOR: Angie - ()

After hearing and reading about Chanell and her child, I was appauled! As a nurse, I can tell you I have seen abusive parents before, and if they give that baby back to Chanell, the abuse will continue and probably get worse.



Who knows what she'll do next time she has babysitting problems! Also as a mother, I feel having children is a blessing and, one of the most joyful times in my life.



God has blessed some women with the ability to bare children. It is our instinct to nurture, and protect our children and, do our best to never let any harm come to them. I believe she must lack these instincts, for she would never be able to do that to any child, especially her own. God gave her a precious gift and, she literally threw it away! That baby is so lucky for staying alive during that trauma.



He was put on this earth to bring joy to someone, but obviously that "someone" is not Chanell. There are plenty of people who aren't able to have children, and would love to have a baby, while Chanell is tossing hers around like a bean bag!.



Foster parents can give this baby a loving, safe home, so he can grow up and have a happy life, that I believe he wouldn't have if he is given back to Chanell. Please do not return this baby back to her. Leave the baby where he is, he is being loved, well cared for, protected and nurtured and is very happy.



He will have a normal childhood and a much better chance at life than he would with his mother. Carl Sanburg said " a baby is Gods opinion that life should go on" Chanell obviously could care less about God's opinion or her childs life. Please don't give this baby back so, she can try to throw him away again, because next time she may suceed!
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#394 Consumer Comment

Response of Dead Beat Nasty Mother in Tupper Lake

AUTHOR: Shirley - ()

I am shocked and appalled that this dead beat woman may get her child back after what she has done!



I will not call this woman a mother, as a mother is someone who loves and nurtures her children unconditionally - not throw them in the freezing cold to fend for itself - when it can't even walk to seek help!



She should NEVER get her child back AND she should be "fixed" so she will never put another child through this ordeal - or an even worse ordeal.



Seems to me - that anyone that is expecting to have a baby and is known by others to have a "bad temper" should take the parenting classes - BEFORE they become a parent!

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#395 Consumer Comment

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AUTHOR: Jean - ()

Tiis is a very serious offense and this individual should never be trusted tha care of this baby again. I am sure that he is placed in the care of loving foster parents and that is where he should be. I was appalled to read of such treatment to a young baby. I would hope that any Judge would never give this baby back to a mother who do such a thing. This baby belongs in a home where there is love and caring and safety. Who can say what will happen to him if he goes back. Next time maybe TOO LATE!!!! from someone who cares
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#396 Consumer Comment

Chanelle Fournier- child abuse

AUTHOR: Angel - ()

This is in response to Chanelle tossing her baby into a s****..
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