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  • Submitted: Sat, June 30, 2012
  • Updated: Sun, January 06, 2013

  • Reported By: BoxerLover — Illinois United States of America
Chapais Boxers
1160 S. Ave. B Canton, Illinois United States of America

Chapais Boxers Chapai's Boxers Unethical Breeder Canton, Illinois

*Consumer Comment: breeder contract

*Consumer Comment: breeder contract

*UPDATE Employee: to the lady w the tattoo on her face

*Author of original report: Proof

*General Comment: Oh Please..

*Author of original report: Medical Issues

*General Comment: You don't

*Consumer Comment: wow!

*Author of original report: Re: To Breeder

*Consumer Comment: Devils Advocate

*REBUTTAL Owner of company: Healthy Pups

*Consumer Comment: Male Puppy

*REBUTTAL Owner of company: Also A Owner of one Chapais Boxers

*REBUTTAL Owner of company: Ower of one ot Chapais boxers

*Consumer Comment: a owner of a chapai boxer

*Author of original report: Re: Really???

*Author of original report: Yes, I know what I am talking about.

*General Comment: Really?!?

*General Comment: Chapais boxer

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I purchased a puppy from them who turned out to have:

1) Severe allergies
2) Spinal Issues
3) Rear leg (hock)issues
3) Hiatal Hernia (which is a congenital defect)
4) Wry Mouth (Herditary condition)

Along with those issues they are very unethical breeders. They breed their bitch Addy every single heat cycle. She is on her 8th litter in her 4.6 years of life. So that means they have bred her every heat since she was 6 months old. They have another female they also breed (she has had at least 2 litters now).. and they just recently aquired a 3rd female. All of these dogs are breeding machines. They only care about producing puppies to sell for profit. They are affiliated with bitnersboxers.com out of Canton, IL as well.

Puppy mill!!!

A true reputable breeder who cares about the breed would not breed their female every single heat cycle... and would do the proper health tests recommended by the american boxer club to prevent common health issues from being passed on to offspring.

I recommend anyone looking to purchase a puppy to stay far away from Chapai's Boxers

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#1 Consumer Comment

breeder contract

AUTHOR: Jlk - (United States of America)

My husband and I adopted a male boxer pup from Chapais Boxers. I must say I am confused by the original report. This is a family breeder who has a contract for each boxer sold which includes a one year health guarantee. A contract is a contract, so if there is a problem it will be rectified...even if there is a challenge getting in contact with someone. This is not a valid excuse. Believe me, if there was any problem with Baron within that first year, I we would have been on their doorstep and at the very least I would have been an annoying emailer and caller until there was resolution. Baron is in perfect health, 2.5 years old, very athletic, a swimmer and well adjusted. Boxers are notorious for certain, common health challenges. It is necessary to research the breed before you adopt from anyone. I can only speak for my own experience, but it was great and remember, they have contracts, so there is some piece of mind. We love our little Baron. He is the 7th boxer we have owned, so we are quite familiar with the breed. We always spay and neuter and never purchase for show dogs. They are family. I don't believe it is fair to judge a business based on one review. Visit them for yourself and draw your own conclusions.

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#2 Consumer Comment

breeder contract

AUTHOR: Jlk - (United States of America)

My husband and I adopted a male boxer pup from Chapais Boxers. I must say I am confused by the original report. This is a family breeder who has a contract for each boxer sold which includes a one year health guarantee. A contract is a contract, so if there is a problem it will be rectified...even if there is a challenge getting in contact with someone. This is not a valid excuse. Believe me, if there was any problem with Baron within that first year, I we would have been on their doorstep and at the very least I would have been an annoying emailer and caller until there was resolution. Baron is in perfect health, 2.5 years old, very athletic, a swimmer and well adjusted. Boxers are notorious for certain, common health challenges. It is necessary to research the breed before you adopt from anyone. I can only speak for my own experience, but it was great and remember, they have contracts, so there is some piece of mind. We love our little Baron. He is the 7th boxer we have owned, so we are quite familiar with the breed. We always spay and neuter and never purchase for show dogs. They are family. I don't believe it is fair to judge a business based on one review. Visit them for yourself and draw your own conclusions.

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#3 UPDATE Employee

to the lady w the tattoo on her face

AUTHOR: achapaiboxerbuyer - (United States of America)

We KNOW who YOU are..... just saying...
Maybe you shouldn't get drunk at the bars in canton and run your mouth....
Mwah!!!! :-)
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#4 Author of original report

Proof

AUTHOR: BoxerLover - (United States of America)

I don't "have" to prove anything to anyone. Even it I do it would never be enough in your eyes. Especially since you think they are the best breeders in the world.

Matter of fact, we had to go to the vet this morning for spinal issues. As well as issues with ears and feet from severe allergies as mentioned in my first post. Turns out he has yeast and bacterial infections in BOTH ears from chewing at his feet (due to allergies) and then scratching at his ears with wet paws. The yeast spreads from feet to ears. My vet & I have been trying to battle his allergy and yeast issues for quite some time now. Yeast is common in dogs with severe allergies. Google it, if you don't believe me.

I am including his invoice from this morning. It shows he is being treated for spinal issues (with chiropractic adjustment), had an ear cytology performed (swab and inspection under the microscope, as well as an otoscope inspection), as well as ear cleaning and BNT ointment applied. He is being rechecked in two weeks.

Still isn't enough.. I bet. But like I said, I don't have to prove ANYTHING to you because I know what I am writing is 100% FACT. Period!

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#5 General Comment

Oh Please..

AUTHOR: JustDoingWhatIsRight - (United States of America)

Since you had the appointment let's see some vet papers. Sorry but it's just your word. No proof, that's why you are not being believed by any. It simply comes down to your words against the breeders. I would love you to send me proof, until then I won't believe a word you post. Quit saying words and prove it. Simple as that. You say that this is waste of your time and that you are an adult. However, adult actions were not executed. You are simply bashing individuals without proven facts. And they are not proven until you provide vet documentation and also of the supposed sent emails. 
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#6 Author of original report

Medical Issues

AUTHOR: BoxerLover - (United States of America)

I have handled this matter as an adult. I'm sorry if you do not agree that my dog has issues. However, my dog does have all these issues and all have been confirmed by my vet. We are doing all we can for him and getting him the treatment that he needs. Matter a fact, he has a vet appointment tomorrow with a chiropractor, because he has been having issues the past few days. I'm being a responsible pet owner. My dog is very loved and taken care of. I've tried contacting the breeder with no response on multiple occasions. Why should I continue to try at this point, when they haven't responded in the past? I don't want to replace him. He's been a part of my family for way too long now.

Just wrote my story to get it out there to make others aware that there ARE issues in the Chapai's boxers. They can either ignore it or become better breeders by not breeding dogs with issues! Period. I'm done. It's not worth my time arguing with people that "claim" I have never contacted them. When I have MANY times. It's the Chapai's that are ruining the boxer breed by putting boxers out there with major health concerns.. Not me.
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#7 General Comment

You don't

AUTHOR: JustDoingWhatIsRight - (United States of America)

You want to bash them on breeding. Well, you should be bashed on your morals. You have none. And anyone that reads this and believes a word you are saying is ridiculous also.

 The Chapai family take care of those dogs as family, spend a day with them. You would see that these dogs are the sweetest and most cared for dogs. If you truly knew them or their breeding habits you would not be complaining on this site. You are a liar. You did not contact them and never have. No other dogs out of those litters that you are claiming your dog is out of has had any problems whatsoever. Anyone can Google what you just put is wrong with your dog. How about we see something from your actual vet? Or a picture of your dog? Most likely because you are lying about it all. You are a truly awful human being. If you truly would have cared for your dog you would have contacted the Chapais ( & quit saying you have because we all know you have not).

How about being an adult and handle this situation the right way.
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#8 Consumer Comment

wow!

AUTHOR: achapaiboxerbuyer - (United States of America)

Gesh. so somebody is friends with linda bitner on facebook.. woohooooo. i think this is all a scam and its somebody associated with the bitners n just trying to start shit cus their no longer breeding dogs.

Uh oh chapais watch out she has her/his eye on you.

you f*ks are making this out to be a big deal over nothing. seriously. who cares!! so you got a f*ked up dog.. sorry. Just like buying a car.. you never know what you really get until later on down the line..

so get over it already!

Dont buy from the chapais anymore.. who cares!

next time just go buy a mutt.. okay.

Chapais i love my boxer well atleast i think hes a boxer cus the devil said he isnt.. cus your dogs supposedly domt look like boxers.... haha. Gotta love stupid people that like trying to wreck reputations 3 years later..

Go get a life. k..
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Re: To Breeder

AUTHOR: BoxerLover - (United States of America)

Chapai's I have tried contacting you on more than one ocassion, and did not get any responses. I took it that you didn't give a hoot. It seems that this report has gotten your attention though. So.. even though your b*ch has produced (you say)  6 litters you see that as perfectly acceptable? IMO she is a breeding machine to line YOUR pockets. You breed her, your other dogs, and stud out your male for PROFIT.. and only profit. IMO it's sickening that any human would make an animal raise that many litters  ( I know of 5 litters since my dog was born and my dog came from her 2nd litter in 2009 of Bear & Addy) Addy has been bred and whelped a litter every 6 months since then. 2+5 =7 litters. I've been watching closely. Addy had 2 litters in 2009, 2 litters in 2010, 2 litters in 2011, and her current litter in 2012. Yes, 7 litters!! Maybe my count was off by one litter (if my puppy came from her 2nd litter and not 3rd.. I know she had at least on litter before I purchased my puppy), but YOU are the one that posted she had whelped "7" litters when you updated your site to another server. THEN she whelped another litter several weeks later.

You just tried to breed Destiny at a year old. She is still a BABY.. and why? For PROFIT!

And yes, my dog has ALL those issues listed in the first post. They are ALL documented and treated by a vet. I've spent thousands on my dog.

Re: Bitner's boxers... Attached is a photo. Nothing wrong with that? Chapai's boxers are affliated with Bitner's boxers. The dogs are a part of the family, huh??? Left behind to DIE!! Ugh!! Wow!!
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#10 Consumer Comment

Devils Advocate

AUTHOR: NurseIL - (USA)

Devil's advocate here. Your vet wouldnt be able to say the dog in question has or doesnt have the health issues the poster said unless your vet has examined the dog. All of the issues are possible for one dog to have. Like the OP said most are congen. or hereditary.  It is possible that dog has all those issues. Most show breeders dont charge $1400-$2000 for a pet pup. Anyone can get a nice pet puppy from a reputable breeder who health tests (heart, hips, ect like the OP states), the dogs come from show lines w/ a pedigree of champions for $800-$1200.

Show puppies typically cost $1000-$1500 depending on your area. The midwest is closer to $1000. If you are showing you can sometimes get a show puppy for almost free by staying on a co ownership with the breeder and agreeing to breeding rights for future showing rights. So it makes more sense to buy from a show breeder who have long time histories on their dogs w/ health testing, longevity, weeds out health issues, yada yada... Buyers will end up spending much less on the dogs in the long run because reputable breeders only breed the best of the best to continue the conformation and health of the boxers.

Back yard breeders breed anything they can with AKC papers. AKC papers do not mean you are getting a quality dog. I have seen photos of my male's grand-dam and great grand-dam ( my male came from the chapais). The poor granddams dont even look like boxers. I dont know about anyone else but my males pedigree doesnt include one boxer with a championship. I consider that a very poorly bred line. I even researched 5 and more generations back.

It was said once and I agree, chapais. You might be a great family, but your breeding program doesn't benefit anyone except yourself for financial gain. It hurts boxers reputations. and the health isnt great.I have done research and I agree with the OP about only purchasing from a reputable breeder in the future. I like to look at this link when thinking of reputable vs byb http://www.jlhweb.net/Boxermap/reputablebreeder.html

and this link when looking for reputable breeders (the quality of dogs are obvious in the links compared to byb) http://www.pro-boxers.com/am_breeders.html

The two black dogs are from the chapai line. The show dog (scarlett) is a correct boxer that people could be getting puppies from if doing research and paying a little more money for.
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#11 REBUTTAL Owner of company

Healthy Pups

AUTHOR: Owner of chapais boxers - (United States of America)

   To whom it may concern , The person that has made these accusations has never contacted us about them. We have told the people that have bought pups from us to keep us informed about their new family member. We want to know of any health issues that may arise so that we can take the steps needed to assure we dont have any more pups with these issues. I assure you that none of our adult dogs suffer from any of these problems. Our adult dogs visit our vet yearly and all have a clean bill of health.

  In regards to our girls . We DO NOT breed our girls before they have at least gone through a complete heat cycle and are at least a year old .

  Addy was a over a year old when we bred her for the first time NOT 6 months as this person has stated . She just had her 6th litter not her 8th as this person has stated. I have the records so I think I would know how many litters my dogs have had. Chloe is 4 and she has had 3 litters , and Destiny is  1 and a half and has yet to be bred. Breeding machines I dont think so.

  We love our Boxers and we have talked with our vet in regards to when and how many times a female should be bred. We  have only done what our vet has recommended. Our pups have a well puppy check up at six weeks and all have had a clean bill of health .

  We have heard from vets in St. Louis and the Chicago area about pups that have come from us and they have told us that they are great looking pups and in great health . They have wanted to add us to a list of breeders so that when people come to them and ask about boxer breeders they can give them our number. These are animal hosptals . Do you think that they would want to give out a name of a breeder that is unethical and a puppy mill ? I wouldnt think so

   To the person that has posted this . We are sorry that your pup would be so unfortunate to have all five of these ailments for I have been told by vets in our area that it seems impossible that he/she would suffer from all of them. Especially since our adult dogs have none of them. It would of been nice if you would have contacted us and let us know. We have not received any phone calls or emails from you in regards to these issues. Just one email from an anonymous person on the 29th of June stating that they had a friend that bought a puppy from us that had these issues and then the following day this was posted on here. I feel that if you were so concerned about the health of other puppies then you would of contacted us before now and not posting on a scam website. I am wondering if you and the person sending the email are one in the same. Just seems kind of suspicious to me. Once again I would like to hear from you and know which litter your pup came from . WE CANT FIX A PROBLEM IF WE DONT KNOW THERE IS ONE.

  We love our Boxers and would not intentionally produce pups that would grow up to not have quality of life . We want to produce healthy pups that will bring their new families many years of happiness and laughter. We want to be able to provide someone with a healthy pup that cant afford to spend fourteen hundred to two thousand for a pup that they want for a family pet.

  If you are reading this I hope that you will take this opportunity to take a look at our website and contact us if you have any questions. 

  

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#12 Consumer Comment

Male Puppy

AUTHOR: NurseIL - (USA)

The original poster did say that the breeder was contacted in terms of the health issues in question. Ya'll keep saying to contact the breeder. It appears that the buyer did and did not get a response. I have also bought a chapai boxer. My male is around 3 years old. He does have some issues with his bite being off. His teeth do not align like they should. I am guessing that is wry mouth. Some of his teeth rub together and he has issues eating certain things. His back seems to bother him at times too. He gets stiff sometimes.

I have had him to the vet and the vet performs ajustments and it seems to help him out some but the stifnes always returns. The vet said we should check for hip issues once he turns 3. So there is for sure some structural faults in the lines being bred. I have not contacted the chapais about the hips since their contract only covers the first year and I wouldn't want to replace my male for another puppy. My male is family to me and i couldnlt give him back. I was never told to contact them if there was probelms outside of the 1 year contract.

I tried contactin them on several times to send photos and I never got replied back to, so i figured they didnt care.A female shouldn't be bred until she is as least 2 years old. and whoever said it is not good to let them go through a season with out being, well that is a bunch of BS. I was shocked to see that the chapais have bred addy litter after litter with out any break at all. that is not good for a dog. most breeders I know breed one or two litter and that is it.

the breeders I know also breed only to add another dog to their home and sell the remaining puppies to homes. I was very disappointed when I seen the amount of puppies coming out of the chapai home. it is heartwrenching. and it bothers me that i vought a puppy from them since they breed litter after litter. i will for sure do my research next time before geting another boxer. I will not but from the chapais again. they might be a good family like you all say they are but breeding a dog everytime since 6 months or a year old is wrong in my eyes.

that is wrong no matter who you are. ya'll wouldnt want your daughters pumping out kid after kid , so why allow your dog to do it? if they cares about the dogs they wouldnt be breeding every heat and for profit. sorry chapais but you have done addy wrong by making her raise hundreds of puppies only to make your wallet bigger. I love my male boxer. I wouldn't give him up for the world but I would never purcahse from you again. I agree with the original poster to stay away from tina and jeff chapai. there are much better breeders out there who do not over breed the dogs for money
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#13 REBUTTAL Owner of company

Also A Owner of one Chapais Boxers

AUTHOR: DBeeney - (United States of America)

I just have to say we bought our male boxer from the Chapais and we have not experienced
any health problems or any other issues with him! He is a very healthy well-mannered 3year old boxer! We get comments from everyone when we are out walking him on how our boxer looks! Our veterinarian also tells us how good
looking and healthy he is! The Chapais LOVE and take great PRIDE in their boxers their boxers are WELL MANNERED,HEALTHY,LOVING,BOXERS and are such a big part of their FAMILY! Their boxers are not kenneled unless they are gone for a few hours or have a lot of guest over so they are not getting stepped on by their guest. We do the same with our boxer when we are not at home!

To me that makes a great dog lover and owner when you are thinking of ways to make sure they are protection at all times even when you are not at home to watch over them! I dont understand why anyone could bash them and say they are unethical breeders! If you truly have all these health problems and issues with your boxer why havent you contacted them about it? Because the Chapais are the type of breeder and caring people that would be there for you and your boxer they only wants what is best for yours and their boxers! I think you really should know all your facts before bashing someone like this! Their boxer Addy was over a year old before they started breeding her! I do remember when we got our boxer we signed a contract and the Chapais also told us to please let them know if any issues of any kind arise with our boxer to let them know because they would not want to continue breeding if any major problems have affected any one of their puppies! I do believe you are the first and ONLY person to have any health issues with your boxer and whos to say you really got your puppy from the Chapais in the first place? Unethical breeders, puppy mill that is just too funny you really dont know the Chapais do you!!!

 I do know if we ever decide to get another boxer you can be darn sure we will be getting it from THE CHAPAIS!!! This is what I think of when I see the word unethical anywhere around the Chapais name =

Unbelievably  Nurturing  Ethical  Trust Worthy  Honest  Intelligent  Caring And Loving

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#14 REBUTTAL Owner of company

Ower of one ot Chapais boxers

AUTHOR: DBeeney - (United States of America)

I just have to say we bought our male boxer from the Chapais and we have not experienced any health problems or any other issues with him! He is a very healthy well-mannered 3year old boxer! We get comments from everyone when we are out walking him on how our boxer looks! Our veterinarian also tells us how good looking and healthy he is! The Chapais LOVE and take great PRIDE in their boxers their boxers are WELL MANNERED,HEALTHY,LOVING,BOXERS and are such a big part of their FAMILY! Their boxers are not kenneled unless they are gone for a few hours or have a lot of guest over so they are not getting stepped on by their guest. We do the same with our boxer when we are not at home! To me that makes a great dog lover and owner when you are thinking of ways to make sure they are protection at all times even when you are not at home to watch over them! I dont understand why anyone could bash them and say they are unethical breeders! If you truly have all these health problems and issues with your boxer why havent
you contacted them about it? Because the Chapais are the type of breeder and caring people that would be there for you and your boxer they only wants what is best for yours and their boxers! I think you really should know all your
facts before bashing someone like this! Their boxer Addy was over a year old before they started breeding her! I do remember when we got our boxer we signed a contract and the Chapais also told us to please let them know if any issues of any kind arise with our boxer to let them know because they would not want to continue breeding if any major problems have affected any one of their puppies!

I do believe you are the first and ONLY person to have any health issues with your boxer and whos to say you really got your puppy from the Chapais in the first place? Unethical breeders, puppy mill that is just too funny you really dont know the Chapais do you!!! I do know if we ever decide to get another boxer you can be darn sure we will be getting it from THE CHAPAIS!!! This is what I think of when I see the word unethical anywhere around the Chapais name

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#15 Consumer Comment

a owner of a chapai boxer

AUTHOR: achapaiboxerbuyer - (United States of America)

Its funny how you call them a puppy mill. do puppy mills let their dogs roam their houses like a family member? they treat all their dogs like family. they take very good care of their dogs and if you had all of these problems why didnt you contact them n let them know instead of bashing them on the internet.
Every vet will tell you that its bad on a dog to skip a heat cycle. looks like someone needs to do their research before popping out false information. We have a male from the chapais and he is healthy as can be.. so good luck on trying to ruin their reputation. but it wont happen.
And whats wrong with bitners boxers? we have a female from them n she is healthy too. So like i said get all your facts straight before bashing people.
To the chapais. i love you guys and your not bad breeders. people are just stupid. dont let them get to you!
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#16 Author of original report

Re: Really???

AUTHOR: BoxerLover - (United States of America)


If you had read my text in the first place you would have seen that all the issues my boxers has are either congenital or herediatary. They are not issues that are from lack of care. I have tried to contact Tina on multiple occasions with no answer back. Yes, Addy is on her 8th litter. When they moved to Chapaisboxers.com Tina even had listed that Addy had whelped 7 litters so far. She JUST whelped another litter making it her 8th. I am stating FACTS. Believe it or not.















You are assuming and trying to defend them without even knowing the situation. I highly doubt multiple people just happen to fall upon this report in 24 hours. It's obvious the Chapai's have call their friends to the rescue.















But no, my dog isn't left outside at all unattended. There isn't even a kennel outside. What moron would kennel a dog outside? Especially a BOXER! My dog is very well taken care of. Do you think I would spend thousands on my dog if my dog wasn't taken care of? Do you think I would come on here and make a report if I didn't care? A matter of fact we had a 45 minute walk this AM before it got hot out. And we just came inside from playing jolly ball and playing in the pool. We go to advanced obedience tomorrow night for the FUN of it. But.. wow.. I am a bad owner. Smh!















My dog gets plenty of play time and exercise. My dog's diet is the best possible diet available. Chapai's feeds purina dog chow. One of the WORST dog foods available: http://www.dogfoodadvisor.com/ I just spent nearly $200 on dog treats.. I spend hundreds on activites each year that include my dog. But my dog isn't taken care of, huh? I think you need facts before getting involed. Again, YOU don't have to live with the issues my dog and family has to due to breeding ANY dogs with ANY pedigree.. with NO health testing.















You can think what you want. But I've done my research. I am familiar with boxers. My dog is family. My dog is very well taken care of. If not, I wouldn't have spent THOUSANDS on my dog in vet care. If you were smart enough, YOU would do your research and realise that back yard breeders are different than reputable breeders. You would realize that just breeding 2 dogs from anywhere together doesn't make "great pets!"



The bottom line is that the Chapai's are breeding dogs with hereditary and congenital issues!!!













Beware of Chapai's boxers. Research reputable breeders who health test for thyroid, hip, ARVC, and DM. Do NOT purchase from Chapai's who breed dogs with congenital and hereditary issues.































Quote: "Has their been a change in their environment or home life? Do you bring stress into your home or your boxers life? Boxers, any dog for that matter, can sense when their owner is stressed or not healthy and that directly affects the dog. Do you feed them quality food and/or table scraps? Do you give them adequite play time outside? Do you interact with your boxer in a loving manner as they tend to think of themselves as a part of your family, not just a dog. Are they alone a lot? Do you kennel them outside or leave them outside a majority of the time? Boxers cannot tolerate extreme heat or cold due to their shortened noses, something I learned in my research before buying our fist boxer. All of those variables listed could possibly play a part in your boxers health.















So, before you go on a website (the cowards way of complaining) why don't you figure out for yourself if you really should have taken on a boxer in the first place.  Also, know your facts about the Chapai family and their dogs as Addy is not on her 8th litter and did not carry a litter at 6 months old. All of their dogs visit the vet regularly as do their new puppies. When you sign the contract to buy a dog from them they make sure to tell you to let them know if any issues arise because they obviously would not want to continue breeding if a major issue has affected one or more of their puppies. Did you do this as soon as the first problem occured in your boxer? I assume not because you don't seem to know your head from your a**. "







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#17 Author of original report

Yes, I know what I am talking about.

AUTHOR: BoxerLover - (United States of America)

What is getting out of control? This is the first time I have mentioned anything about the Chapai's and my boxer's health issues publically. I do know what I am talking about!! I am the one who has to watch my dog suffer. I am the one who has paid thousands of dollars in vet bills (and I'm not talking regular vet visits) .. and my boxer isn't even 3 years old yet!!

Maybe YOU got lucky and got a boxer who doesn't have any issues, but I didn't. And the only thing the chapai's are doing is causing heartache for those who obtain a unhealthy puppy. The Chapai's don't have to deal with watching their dog in pain or deal with sickness.. Nooo... they only have that puppy for 8 weeks and then send it off to another home where the family has to deal with YEARS of heartache, YEARS! They may love their dogs, they may be a great family, but they are running a breeding operation that not only hurts the boxer breed, but they are causing MY family a lot of heartache. I have to watch my dog grow up and live a life in pain, suffering, and pay thousands of dollars in vet bills!! Maybe you got lucky, but I didn't. Maybe the next family will get lucky, but there will be another after another who won't be so lucky if they continue to breed dogs who have congenital and herditary issues.

Yes, they are operating like a puppy mill. They breed EVERY heat cycle, they sell their puppies to anyone who has the money. They don't require spaying and neutering (which will only contribute to more herditary and congenital issues to be passed on). They are NOT a reputable breeder who health tests for thyroid, hips, ARVC, Echo, 24 hour holter monitor, DM. Reputable breeders also show their dogs in conformation to PROVE that their dogs are within the boxer standard. Reputable breeders only breed to better the breed.. Chapai's boxers clearly have MAJOR structural faults along with health issues. They are not helping the boxer breed, they are ruining it by putting more boxers out there with major faults and health issues.

Wry mouth is a severe issue. It's hereditary and is impossible to breed out. A severe fault in the boxer breed. Breeding a dog with a slight wry bite can result in puppies who have severe issues down the road. Dogs who can't even eat properly! http://www.americanboxerclub.org/wry-mouths.html

Hiatal Hernia is a major congenital defect. I have problems keeping weight on my dog. My dog often regurgitates food and vomits frequently. My vet has expressed that dog may need surgery in the future to correct the issue. However, we are controlling the issues with a special diet at this time as well as frequent vet visits to monitor the placement of the hernia.

Spinal issues result from poor topline which is bred into the dog. My dog is often stiff and has issues exercising properly.

Hock issues come from breeding dogs who do not conform to the breed standard, dogs who do not have strong rears and do not have proper hock lenght and set can produce puppies with the same. My dog often limped as a puppy and continues to do so to this day. My dog has to go to the vet for treament to manage pain.

So... maybe you were lucky. But my family wasn't. Now we have to deal with the heartache of watching a unhealthy boxer grow up. Also, do NOT assume your boxer is healthy. Many breeders who do not screen their dogs for ARVC and not perform 24 hour holter testing, as well as the echo before breeding theor dogs often end up producing puppies with  ARVC.. Never heard of it??? The only way to screen and have the best chance at not passing the gene on is by testing (holter, Echo, ARVC swab). Many dogs do not show any symptoms until 3+ and then one day they drop dead. http://www.michvet.com/library/cardiology_boxer_cardiomyopathy.asp

If more breeders would follow ethical standards then boxers wouldn't have so many health issues. We wouldn't have so many pets in shelters... and we wouldn't have families dealing with heartache!

QUOTE: "This stuff is getting out of control. to who this may concern . u have no idea what ur are talking about. I've have one of the Chapais pups from their very first litter and my male is a perfect and best looking boxer I've seen . never have had any problems with his health. and for the Chapais being a puppy mill u have to be crazy. the Chapais are a very loving family and their dogs are a very big part of the Chapais family. so maybe u have ur facts messed up and u need to stop all this mess..."
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Really?!?

AUTHOR: ACMoser - (United States of America)

As an owner of two Chapai boxers I cannot speak highly enough of this family and their dogs. I have a male from Addy and Bear's first litter and a female from Chloe and Bears first litter. Before buying a boxer from the Chapais I did a lot of research and asking around to make sure my husband and I wanted to bring a boxer into our home. This is very important step for any future owner of any breed and one I did not take lightly.

We met the Chapais through a friend of ours and never questioned the type of home we were buying our first boxer from. As soon as we walked in we could tell that their boxers were a part of their family as they were laying on the furniture, played with, loved on, well fed and had a very large yard in which to run and play. A type of environment that we would raise our boxers in. I have never seen their boxers kept in kennels long term unless they were leaving the house or had a lot of guests over...I do the same due to my hyper, attention loving boxers, does that make me a bad owner too?  

We have never experienced any health issues with our two Chapai boxers. The vet always comments on how well our boxers look and what great health they are in. There are a lot of different variables that need to be accounted for when saying your boxer has had those four major health issues. Just like when a human gets sick, the first questions the doctor asks the family or patient;

Has their been a change in their environment or home life? Do you bring stress into your home or your boxers life? Boxers, any dog for that matter, can sense when their owner is stressed or not healthy and that directly affects the dog. Do you feed them quality food and/or table scraps? Do you give them adequite play time outside? Do you interact with your boxer in a loving manner as they tend to think of themselves as a part of your family, not just a dog. Are they alone a lot? Do you kennel them outside or leave them outside a majority of the time? Boxers cannot tolerate extreme heat or cold due to their shortened noses, something I learned in my research before buying our fist boxer. All of those variables listed could possibly play a part in your boxers health.

So, before you go on a website (the cowards way of complaining) why don't you figure out for yourself if you really should have taken on a boxer in the first place.  Also, know your facts about the Chapai family and their dogs as Addy is not on her 8th litter and did not carry a litter at 6 months old. All of their dogs visit the vet regularly as do their new puppies. When you sign the contract to buy a dog from them they make sure to tell you to let them know if any issues arise because they obviously would not want to continue breeding if a major issue has affected one or more of their puppies. Did you do this as soon as the first problem occured in your boxer? I assume not because you don't seem to know your head from your a**.


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AUTHOR: GEE10 - (United States of America)

This stuff is getting out of control. to who this may concern . u have no idea what ur are talking about. I've have one of the Chapais pups from their very first litter and my male is a perfect and best looking boxer I've seen . never have had any problems with his health. and for the Chapais being a puppy mill u have to be crazy. the Chapais are a very loving family and their dogs are a very big part of the Chapais family. so maybe u have ur facts messed up and u need to stop all this mess...
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