• Report: #404324

Complaint Review: Charles Lloyd, Edapte, The Placement Specialists, LocalListingSite.com

  • Submitted: Tue, December 23, 2008
  • Updated: Wed, June 16, 2010

  • Reported By:Orange County California
Charles Lloyd, Edapte, The Placement Specialists, LocalListingSite.com
18881 Von Karman #550 Irvine, California U.S.A.

Charles Lloyd, Edapte.com, LocalListingSite.com, TPSLocal.com, The Placement Specialists Google Search Scam, Adwords, Ripoff, Fraud Irvine California

*Consumer Comment: Remember Charles Lloyd's History

*UPDATE Employee: Libelous and Irrelevant Post

*UPDATE EX-employee responds: As A Successfull Client and Ex-Employee Weighs in

*UPDATE EX-employee responds: As A Successfull Client and Ex-Employee Weighs in

*UPDATE EX-employee responds: As A Successfull Client and Ex-Employee Weighs in

*UPDATE EX-employee responds: As A Successfull Client and Ex-Employee Weighs in

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After research into Charles Lloyd, Edapte.com, LocalListingSite.com, TPSLocal.com, the Placement Specialists, Mark Sykes, Adam Kluger, Steve Sparks, Stacie Hatfield, Ray Kooenga and others players I have found they have not only ripped off clients but also employees deceiving them to believe they honestly performed guaranteed placement on the top half of Google and other search engines 24/7 for a low monthly flat fee.

Some of the interviewed former sales people share tales of double selling exclusive keywords in the same city. The promises of only representing one of each type business in each city was ignored, as was the client would always be on top (in some cases the clients were promised the top 1, 2 or 3 positions) 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, no matter how many clicks they received. They were also promised unlimited keywords.

Sales people tell tales of their clients not being up in over a month. Also pay cuts and bounced checks. One former employee stated that between June 2008 and November 2008 the company took in well over a million dollars. This did not stop their paychecks from bouncing at least 3 times.

Lloyd was known for his rants, raves and cursing at sales people and support staff as well as clients. He bullied others to get what he wanted. He even blogged clients who upset him.

Lloyd has been involved in several telemarketing scams including medical billing which the FTC prosecuted him for. He has many business names which he changes almost weekly. He is even listed in a book about crime in America.

According to a female former employee, he sexually harassed her and forced her to even perform oral acts in his office while he was "pitching" prospective clients.

We have discovered pictures of Lloyd and a blond having sex in a parking lot in Laguna Hills, as well as them exiting a hotel near their former office.

In Charles Lloyd's office in Laguna Hills he was teamed up at one point with Carl Perkins. The names used there was Premium Local Listings, Performance Local Listings, Premium ROI and several other names. At one point Perkins locked Lloyd and the sales staff out of their office on payday stating that he (Perkins) fired everyone for insubordination because everyone was going to work at Lloyd's new company. There is an ongoing battle for clients and money between these 2 individuals.

Their companies not only took money and did not perform the promised service, but they are also well known for double and triple billing clients even after the clients canceled.

The company took a major downturn in October/November when the salespeople left because they was not being paid, eventhough the company had residual monthly billings contracts in excess of $80,000 per month. According to a former salesperson who now works at a competitor, she lost all confidence in the ability of Lloyd to service her customers. She not only had bounced checks, but had paychecks delayed and is still owed money.

The investigation is ongoing.

Michael
Orange County, California
U.S.A.

This report was posted on Ripoff Report on 12/23/2008 11:38 AM and is a permanent record located here: http://www.ripoffreport.com/r/Charles-Lloyd-Edapte-The-Placement-Specialists-LocalListingSitecom/Irvine-California-92612/Charles-Lloyd-Edaptecom-LocalListingSitecom-TPSLocalcom-The-Placement-Specialists-G-404324. The posting time indicated is Arizona local time. Arizona does not observe daylight savings so the post time may be Mountain or Pacific depending on the time of year.

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#1 Consumer Comment

Remember Charles Lloyd's History

AUTHOR: Joe - (U.S.A.)

Let's remember a few things.
Lloyd was caught in a Medical Billing scam.
The FTC judgment stipulated that he was not to run the kind of businesses he's been running.
Then he got involved in the keyword scam.
(http://portalresponsetechnology.blogspot.com/)
Now he's morphed into Edapte, or whatever other names it goes by.

One must ask, given Lloyd's history, why anyone would want to do business with him.?
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#2 UPDATE Employee

Libelous and Irrelevant Post

AUTHOR: Edapte Team - (U.S.A.)

To All Who Have Reached this Libelous Material:

The original poster, Michael, is in fact a former representative of Edapte LLC, however, that is the extent of the truth of that post. It is obvious to any reader that this is not a client of Edapte or a real complaint from an actual customer. The fact is that Edapte provides a valuable service and maintains good relationships with companies all over the country. If you are a client who is reading this blog, you already know this.

For those of you who are learning about Edapte for the first time, we are clearly concerned by this libelous and damaging material, and we can only say that not only are the statements untrue, but they are not even relevant to the quality of service we provide. In fact, this material is a complete fabrication of a former representative who had very serious trouble working with anyone this is why he named many people (all former representatives and/or former business associates and owners of other companies who likely refused to hire him) with whom he had personal conflicts. Many of the people he named in this blog have no association with Edapte, however, there is a common individual with whom they have offended in some way.

We have reason to believe that the writer of this post, Michael, is in fact a former representative named Rik Snyder. Mr. Snyder contacted our CEO, Charles Lloyd, by phone on December 22nd (over one month after his departure) and asked him to be a witness in an upcoming court case. When Mr. Lloyd expressed that he would not be a good witness for Mr. Snyder because he refused to lie, Mr. Snyder vowed revenge.

On the morning of December 23rd, this libelous post appeared inclusive of the names of persons with whom he had personal conflicts in and outside of the hospices of Edapte. We are seeking the whereabouts of Mr. Snyder so that we find a proper address for service. He was last known living at the Motel 6 on Dyer road in Santa Ana with two Cocker Spaniels (who apparently spend their days in a motel room while he was out at work). Any information provided that would help us to serve this person would be greatly appreciated.

In January of this year, we do know for a fact that Mr. Snyder illegally contacted at least one of our clients in an attempt to solicit him on behalf of a competing company. We have contacted this competing company and we believe this activity has ceased as the ownership was unaware of Rik's actions. Although we do feel obligated to pursue this matter in a court of law until Mr. Snyder at least attempts to retract his statements formally, we sincerely hope that he can get the help he needs.

If you know where we might be able to serve Mr. Snyder, please forward any information to (((Redacted)))

Thank you,

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#3 UPDATE EX-employee responds

As A Successfull Client and Ex-Employee Weighs in

AUTHOR: Client Driven - (U.S.A.)

I just recently had the chance to read What Private Eye or Micheal From Orange County has written.

I am Shocked and very offended that such accusations can be Made public which are completly and totally untrue.

The Owner of Edapte In No Way Has done any of the Things Micheal Has Suggested In this recent paragraph.
I am Not only a successfull client, but also an ex employee who has nothing, but Positive things to say about Edapte, and Charles Lloyd.
I find it very absurd, and upsetting to see these things said about a man I personally know to be of very High Moral Character.
I worked for Edapte for A long period of time, and Was able to gain Knowledge enough to Begin My own Ebay Store, and I wouldn't Have made it Without this company.
I am very shocked that these comments are allowed to stay up there, and I feel That Micheal Should be Prosecuted for Making Such Untrue Accusations regarding this situation.

I would also like to Say that Adam Kluger, Ray Kooenga, Steve Sparks, and Stacie Have No Fault, and It's also unfair for their names to be connected with this.

As for "Micheal", You are Way out of line, You Need to Stop Your Harrasment, It is Unlawful< and that might result badly for you Rick.. The Orange County Sheriff's Department can Be contacted, and I do Know Exactly Where You Are At All Times Every Day
Thank you
All the Best
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#4 UPDATE EX-employee responds

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AUTHOR: Client Driven - (U.S.A.)

I just recently had the chance to read What Private Eye or Micheal From Orange County has written.

I am Shocked and very offended that such accusations can be Made public which are completly and totally untrue.

The Owner of Edapte In No Way Has done any of the Things Micheal Has Suggested In this recent paragraph.
I am Not only a successfull client, but also an ex employee who has nothing, but Positive things to say about Edapte, and Charles Lloyd.
I find it very absurd, and upsetting to see these things said about a man I personally know to be of very High Moral Character.
I worked for Edapte for A long period of time, and Was able to gain Knowledge enough to Begin My own Ebay Store, and I wouldn't Have made it Without this company.
I am very shocked that these comments are allowed to stay up there, and I feel That Micheal Should be Prosecuted for Making Such Untrue Accusations regarding this situation.

I would also like to Say that Adam Kluger, Ray Kooenga, Steve Sparks, and Stacie Have No Fault, and It's also unfair for their names to be connected with this.

As for "Micheal", You are Way out of line, You Need to Stop Your Harrasment, It is Unlawful< and that might result badly for you Rick.. The Orange County Sheriff's Department can Be contacted, and I do Know Exactly Where You Are At All Times Every Day
Thank you
All the Best
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#5 UPDATE EX-employee responds

As A Successfull Client and Ex-Employee Weighs in

AUTHOR: Client Driven - (U.S.A.)

I just recently had the chance to read What Private Eye or Micheal From Orange County has written.

I am Shocked and very offended that such accusations can be Made public which are completly and totally untrue.

The Owner of Edapte In No Way Has done any of the Things Micheal Has Suggested In this recent paragraph.
I am Not only a successfull client, but also an ex employee who has nothing, but Positive things to say about Edapte, and Charles Lloyd.
I find it very absurd, and upsetting to see these things said about a man I personally know to be of very High Moral Character.
I worked for Edapte for A long period of time, and Was able to gain Knowledge enough to Begin My own Ebay Store, and I wouldn't Have made it Without this company.
I am very shocked that these comments are allowed to stay up there, and I feel That Micheal Should be Prosecuted for Making Such Untrue Accusations regarding this situation.

I would also like to Say that Adam Kluger, Ray Kooenga, Steve Sparks, and Stacie Have No Fault, and It's also unfair for their names to be connected with this.

As for "Micheal", You are Way out of line, You Need to Stop Your Harrasment, It is Unlawful< and that might result badly for you Rick.. The Orange County Sheriff's Department can Be contacted, and I do Know Exactly Where You Are At All Times Every Day
Thank you
All the Best
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#6 UPDATE EX-employee responds

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AUTHOR: Client Driven - (U.S.A.)

I just recently had the chance to read What Private Eye or Micheal From Orange County has written.

I am Shocked and very offended that such accusations can be Made public which are completly and totally untrue.

The Owner of Edapte In No Way Has done any of the Things Micheal Has Suggested In this recent paragraph.
I am Not only a successfull client, but also an ex employee who has nothing, but Positive things to say about Edapte, and Charles Lloyd.
I find it very absurd, and upsetting to see these things said about a man I personally know to be of very High Moral Character.
I worked for Edapte for A long period of time, and Was able to gain Knowledge enough to Begin My own Ebay Store, and I wouldn't Have made it Without this company.
I am very shocked that these comments are allowed to stay up there, and I feel That Micheal Should be Prosecuted for Making Such Untrue Accusations regarding this situation.

I would also like to Say that Adam Kluger, Ray Kooenga, Steve Sparks, and Stacie Have No Fault, and It's also unfair for their names to be connected with this.

As for "Micheal", You are Way out of line, You Need to Stop Your Harrasment, It is Unlawful< and that might result badly for you Rick.. The Orange County Sheriff's Department can Be contacted, and I do Know Exactly Where You Are At All Times Every Day
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