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  • Submitted: Thu, May 13, 2004
  • Updated: Wed, January 14, 2009

  • Reported By:Freeland Pennsylvania
Child Protective Service
10 West Chestnut St. Hazleton, Pennsylvania U.S.A.

Luzerne County Children And Youth took my son without just cause Hazleton Pennsylvania

*Consumer Suggestion: child services usually is the problem not the socalled bad parents.

*Consumer Suggestion: response to the caseworkers

*Consumer Comment: to justin you are right about luzerne county

*REBUTTAL Individual responds: children and youth natzi complex

*Consumer Comment: Your story is true. I know it first hand. this is crazy!!!

*Consumer Comment: Luzerne County Children & Youth The Worst

*Consumer Comment: yes dhs workers do lie!!!!!!!

*Consumer Comment: I agree

*Consumer Comment: I"ve "stepped up to the plate"

*Consumer Comment: Parents Falsely Accused

*Consumer Comment: So do you think they hire these "brainwashers"

*Consumer Comment: Furthermore, if other family members would step up and be a part of their nephews', neices', grandchildren's, cousins', etc. lives then maybe CPS ....

*UPDATE Employee: Don't believe what you read

*UPDATE Employee: Don't believe what you read

*UPDATE Employee: Don't believe what you read

*UPDATE Employee: Don't believe what you read

*UPDATE EX-employee responds: Hang in There, Clifford!

*Author of original report: Thank You for your support

*UPDATE EX-employee responds: Clifford, Please Don't Depend Upon a Good Report from a DHS Contractor

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My son was born on Augest 1st. Someone put in a report about something that I was accused of maney years ago. Indecent Assault. The charges where involved with a girl under 18. But she made up 95% of what she said. It was investigated by cps and of course they found that is was indecated. The charges where filed and I had to go to a bunch of heirings but she refused to testify. The court dismissed the charges. They had no evidence.

But cps does not look at it like that. They put my name on a list without even haveing a hearing. So they took my son and I have done everything they have asked. So now they have decided that my wife is depressed, we have to get marretal consulling, and I have to go to more peranting classes. I have already completed one with flying colors.

But they sent me and my wife to a shrink that works for them and she made this decision. And going isn't so bad. Any thing too help me be a better father. But they won't give him back or let me see him more then once every two weeks, under supper vision and the foster family seams to be getting more and more attacted to him. Like they think he is going to stay with them. In fact I said that he should be comeing back in Augest and the foster mother said that they where just going to have another reveiw. Like he wouldn't be comeing home for a long time.

It's wrong. They should not be able to put people on this list with just the word of someone that has a recoerd and always been in trouble.

Clifford
Freeland, Pennsylvania
U.S.A.

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#1 Consumer Suggestion

child services usually is the problem not the socalled bad parents.

AUTHOR: Paul - (U.S.A.)

THe problem overall is that in too many cases, the case workes in fact actually lie and are often not 'controntable in court'.

Ie; if a person is accused of child rape or child abuse, they are automatically guilty instead of innocent... no matter what, because the case worker says so.

In a neighbors case, it took him 4 years to prove the case worker lied and was connected to his now xwife over the issue.
In this case friends (including me) helped pay for DNA tests to prove that he didnt rape his own daughter (now dead relating to the rape).

It turns out his xwife (was wife till he secretly got the DNA to prove things), was fooling around and her boyfriend raped the kid.

It was crazy that the kids own mother never let on her own involvment in this.

She & the boyfriend are actually now spending life in jail for it.



Too often, case workers either lie or that its not possible to contest their information. I will usually tend to not accept their word on anything anyway.
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#2 Consumer Suggestion

response to the caseworkers

AUTHOR: Scooter - (U.S.A.)

I dont know how long you 2 have been case workers but look around sometime and see how high your turn around rate is of your co workers. if they seem to have the wrong moral view they are replaced if they beging to show signs of careing they are replaced. if they see some thing that c&y are doing thats wrong and they speak up about it they are replaced. if they try to do the right thing for the child and the supervisor doesnt agree they are replaced so its no wonder you didnt say what county you work in and its no wonder you wrote nothing bad you KNOW you would be replaced so you see anything a c&y case worker types in here has little or no value because we all know you LIE!

i have ran into girls who were case workers right out of school, they didnt even have kids yet and were 10 years younger than me when i knew they started and i ran into 2 of them over the years and they said they couldnt stay as they grew up they seen how immoral c&y s actions were. and as they had children they couldnt imagine being treated the way their supervisors expected them to treat other children. sad.... go to school get a good job but your taught not to lie so you cant keep your job for morality reasons because your job requires you to lie. its like one guy mentioned in here we need to group in numbers and protest untill a watchdag organization is put in place for c&y to answer to.
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#3 Consumer Comment

to justin you are right about luzerne county

AUTHOR: Scooter - (U.S.A.)

Justin you are 100% correct my wifes drug tests kept comming back positive for 8 drugs and when i tried to go around then and use their records for evidence in an emergency custody hearingthey said they had no such records even though they had a sit down 4 days earlier and showed me the results. after there was a overdose related death in the mothers house did they come looking for me to take custody but to get them off my back the first time i had to sue for harrasment. i tried to point out the mothers drug use they sent me to years worth of councelling meanwhile the mothers boyfriend was abuseing the children. they really dont care and actually love to hurt children. as long as the money is pouring in. especially luzerne county they even had a child die under their care. nice people hu? succubus they suck the life and money from people and dont get me wrong 1 out of 100 times they actually do the job right. but not often. and working with them were 2 judges who are under investigation for closing the juvenile detention center so they could circumvent the case load to the judges personally owned juvenile detention center for higher rates. this is all under federal investigation since the summer. do you think anything will come of it??????????????? just archive back in the citizens voice news paper its all there in the archives im sure.
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#4 REBUTTAL Individual responds

children and youth natzi complex

AUTHOR: Scooter - (U.S.A.)

in response to the one gentleman who is being run around the bush by children and youth in his area. they really dont care to hurt the kids. in fact the state of pennsylvania HAD to step in and oversee children and youth of Luzerne county PA because a child under there care died. and they were neglegent. thay also misshandled funding for the children for personal use. the best way to get rid of them and this may seem funny but it is what i did is you have to sue them for harrasment. provideing you did everything they requested also if you know any hi ranking polititions, and this i know works especially if you belong to the Masonic blue lodge or the masons. or the great mystic shrine. hope this helps they tried to stay in my life for 6 years untill i filled. you see the longer you are in the system the more revenue they collect from the county and if you are working or not they get fed. or payed. so it is a quagmire once they get involved. keep you head up the natzis of the state cant controll you for ever. they are just greedy people who if anything love to hurt and see children suffer and cry. at anyones expense. honestly i was there. i completed all the requirements they asked but still wouldnt let me have custody or see my children even tho the mom was on heroin they kept saying she was on prescriptions but then after i got them off my back and went on liveing they showed up one day saying i MUST take the kids because the mother was having drug problems. my sons are screwed up to this day and are still in councelling because of what they put my kids through. one day we all pay for our sins. i hope they pay well. and pray they are one day replaced by an organization that cares. and no longer hurts children and familys. good luck friend
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#5 Consumer Comment

Your story is true. I know it first hand. this is crazy!!!

AUTHOR: Free Cameryn!! - (U.S.A.)

To L. The first responder to clifford. Dont let these case workers change your conviction. It was amazing as i was reading your comments, how much of what you said I have personally experienced. These case workers believe in what they are doing. They have been trained by the pressures from above, not hired brainwashers. This is something that just happens to them. Just as when we do our job, and our bosses tell us how they want things done. Because that is how they make the money, or save money. Every case that i have read,that a case worker has rebuttled to sounds the same. They sound like robots. They are sold on what they are doing. Most of the cases they respond about have nothing to do with these cases where there is no just cause. They speak about the cases that are extremely bad. Yeah we know you guys have seen some bad things, but we know that there is a lot of money for you to do more. They say they are too busy to do things as you explained in your comments. Thats like saying we are to busy to make more money, or we dont want anymore customers. Come on you guys, i guess you think we are all as foolish as you are to be brainwashed to see the way your bosses are telling you. You caseworkers are the real pawns we just suffer from you stupidity. These comments could go on forever. My story has more than I care to type over again. I would like to talk to you in a more private forum, cause i feel if we get more people against what they are doing, we might have a chance. There is power in numbers someone has to see we need to save these children who are used for money by our local governments. Please respond so we can discuss more. Maybe we can switch numbers?

joe
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#6 Consumer Comment

Luzerne County Children & Youth The Worst

AUTHOR: Justin - (U.S.A.)

I've dealt with Luzerne County Children & Youth.Their like Nazis there.They lie, push, yell, scream & like rugs as well to try to get you to say what they want to hear. I can agree with investigating every complaint, but they should do that I personally know for a fact they do not. If they do not like you, or your family name look out. Your up a creek with out a paddle. I reported children being abused to Luzerne County Children & Youth & is such a waste of time. Police & DA office, waste of time, same thing there, police offered most help of all though it wasn't much. Did it ever occur
to anyone how a very high percentage of females are working at child protection & most I've seen so far are biased against males?

So I had to hire an attorney & all I got out of it was a nice bill because these jack asses are biased & unwilling to do their jobs. I was told I could file lawsuits, like it would do any damn good any way, the attorneys would take most of it all if & years in court.

They take children & infants away from their families who get abused in foster care or even die under their protection. It's funny how these female social workers stick up for their fellow females even when the females are the abusive ones. If your son gets abused forget it, no help what so ever. Their motto is female is always the victim, male is a perpetrator @ any age.

I wish you luck with them, don't ever trust them for any thing.
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#7 Consumer Comment

yes dhs workers do lie!!!!!!!

AUTHOR: Paulette - (U.S.A.)

I have been through this so i know excataly what you are going through. If you have any kind of indian blood in you and can show proof get them involed imediatly. Don't delay. They can go in and take it competly away from DHS. If this can be done go for it, They can't keep your child no longer than 30 days then have to file for an extension, for additional 60 days. And don't plead guility to anything, do what they want you to do. Go to counseling or what ever it takes.There are some good workers then there are the ones that lie to get what they want done. Is to take your child and adopt them out. They do get money for this. President Clinton signed the bill for this to happen. The dhs gets big money for adopting your child to people.
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#8 Consumer Comment

I agree

AUTHOR: Laura - (U.S.A.)

I agree that sometimes the best interest of the child is not always taken into account. I agree that people that are not related to the children (government workers) do not have the emotional ties to the children and often due to that it is "just another case" to them. I also think that if you work in the system for many years you become numb to cases, because what you started out doing (caring) just becomes to hard.

I do not know, as I am not a caseworker of anykind, so please don't mistake me for one. This is just something I gather from how people are usually. It takes a strong person to see the kind of things I have previously stated, and stay commited to the children, and not their jobs.

Things are way out of hand in this day and age. There are many cases where I can understand the parent's side of things. There are many cases where I cannot.

I do not understand why a CPS would come into that lady's home and take her daughter from her, by just "daddy's" phone call. There has to be grounds to take a child does there not? Just because someone says it, doesn't make it so. There has to be evidence to back it. I don't understand why the child would be removed from the home of the father for "just talking to the mother" that also doesn't make sense. Was there a restraining order or something? Maybe I am not gathering enough information, but it doesn't seem appropriate what is happening to that girl, or why she was taken from not one but two homes and placed with foster parents.

As for welfare, yes I understand they are a piece of work. I personally cannot stand who they help, and who they turn away. Nine times out of ten, they will keep someone on welfare for years, who doesn't help themselves, and turn away the ones who are because yes they are over the income level. That also doesn't make any sense. It is the lawmakers who do this to us, and supposedly we (voters) agree to these laws. (however, don't get me started on that)

A woman who works very hard to give her children what they need, who works full time and pays to keep a roof over the kids' heads should be allowed to get some sort of foodstamps to "help out." Instead it is the ones who have no job, or quit thier jobs every other week because they can't this or that, THOSE are the ones recieving all the benefits of welfare. Do I disagree with this.. absolutely 100%.

I thought President Clinton put a law in place reguarding welfare reform, and you were not allowed to be on welfare longer than what 2 or 3 years. This gives those "Deadbeats" long enough to get their life in order and get off the system. However, I have a friend I've known since high school, who has been on welfare for 10 years now, and she refuses to hold down a job. She tries and tries to get on disability, and all the while she SHOULD go get a job, AND KEEP IT. But does she? NO. How come I as a taxpayer have to pay for her housing, food, and existance, when she will not help herself? Her son is 11 years old, there is absolutely nothing stopping her from making her life better, except her mindset.

Some children should be taken away from their parents, but others should not. Why do they then? WHY? I do not agree that the last poster's children should "automatically" go back to the mother, just because she is the mother. IF the father is doing everything he can for the children, and they are safe and secure. The only thing I thought was odd, was the fact that they were not biologically his. That may have some factor to the issue, as he may not have many rights in that instance.

Good luck-
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#9 Consumer Comment

I"ve "stepped up to the plate"

AUTHOR: April - (U.S.A.)

I read this thread and HAD to respond. First of all I am an Aunt to two children that were taken away from their mother because she chose to do drugs and leave her children alone by themselves late at night while she went out and fulfilled her own desires. Now they resided in my home along with their father for 6 months. Now he still has them in his custody and has gotten his own home, a job, getting married and things are going smoothly. Now, according to DHS their main goal is to ultimately return the children to their mother whom, HASN'T GOTTEN A JOB, HASN'T QUIT USING DRUGS, DOESN'T HAVE A HOME OF HER OWN, NO VEHICLE, MISSESE APPOINTMENTS, DOESN'T CONTRIBUTE A DIME TO THEIR NEEDS, DOES NOTHING, NOTHING, NOTHING.

How is it in the "best interest" of the children to return them to this worthless sad excuse for a mother. Just so you know she's 33 years old and the children are 6 and 9. She doesn't care open and shut case. To make it even more complicated the 9 year old isn't biologically my nephew or my brothers "real" son but he's the only man he knew as a "father". That's sad. That's pathetic, and it's wrong for DHS to want those children back with their mother. They have been out of her custody for a year and a half now and I don't see any changes in her. NONE, no not one. Tell me where the rational thinking is.

Now on another subject about people blaming the system or DHS or things like that. I was on welfare for about 6 months, I'm a single parent mother of 3 children ALL under 3. I've lived in my own home for 3 years, I work full-time, pay my bills, spend quality time with my children pay my car note. Do it all on MY income ALONE. Now you wonder why there are cases where DHS is called because parents get "stressed" Stressed the hell out and when you see DHS supporting people who sit around and let hte state support them (welfare) and assist with anything under the sun for someone who is on welfare or doing Nothing at all. THen parents like me who work hard trying to make ends meet, who try to get some damn assistance don't get ANYTHING, SORRY YOU'RE OVER INCOME.

Please, you try supporting 4 people on an income of 1400 when your rent is $620 alone and you don't qualify for food stamps becasue "your over income" and then you cant' get a decent place to live because you have to have 3 bedrooms because of "rental codes" but ther's not a single 3 bedroom place in town so you're stuck paying $620 a month. I don't mean to go off on a tangint but is anyone feeling me out there. DHS, CPS, Etc, all of those places have one thing in common, they care, I will give you that but their hands are tied, it's not the "workers" it's the "Program Directors", and Government Officials who put in place the rules, and regulations. I would say that for the most part they do their jobs but sometimes they drop the ball on cases, and when the ball gets dropped they tend to try and filter the blame over to someone else, not bashing but I've seen it happend TOOOOOOOOOO many times in cases. Their job is to look out for the best interest of the child but sometimes the best interest of the child is not the most rational. Any comments
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#10 Consumer Comment

Parents Falsely Accused

AUTHOR: Cathy - (U.S.A.)

This is directed to the two caseworkers who responded to this report. Yes there are good caseworkers out there who do not lie, falsify records, reports, etc., but those rarely ever last. In most cases they are let go, leave their jobs because of what is going on or they join the ranks of the others to preserve their jobs. I am the grandmother in a case of this kind. My daughter had a child to a man she was not married to and when he did not step up to the plate to become a part of their lives physically, financially and emotionally she decided to move to another county.

He called childline and reported that she was abusing the baby. They came into her home and took the baby and gave her to her father who was not even listed on the baby's birth certificate and paternity had never been established,(he chose not to have his name on it)while violating her civil rights several times. The case against her was unfounded but before C&Y caseworkers told her this, they and their attorney called the father into their office (this was testified to in court and part of a court transcript)told him to quickly file for temporary custody, add the paper concerning the allegations against the mother but make sure he did not add the paper that said the case was unfounded against her. He did this.

She had already filed for custody of her daughter and the date was set for that custody hearing. C & Y told her the case was unfounded but would not return her daughter to her because by law they were not allowed to get involved in custody disputes (they already had). On the day of her custody conference, C & Y attorney interviened (not allowed by law?/judge had said there was no law to do this in a previous court transcript)into this conference, causing a huge disruption in the judges chambers to the point that the father's attorney up and quit on him and walked out right there and then the attorney from C&Y insisted the judge put the baby in foster care because the father and mother were talking to each other (child was never present during any of these times). Judge agreed and baby was put into foster care. This was 9 months ago. We are still fighting to get her out and have appealed the case to a higher court.

My daughters attorney has been threatened by the attorney for C&Y, caseworkers have lied in court (yes we have documented proof to prove it), my daughter has been lied to over and over. The baby while in foster care had diaper rash for the first 21 weeks she was there although she had never had it when with her parents, has come to visits with bruises on her head from falling against tables, deep scratches (looked like a cat)and she developed an infected toe (badly infected)and yet the caseworkers only comment to this is they are completely satisfied with the foster care she is receiving.

This family has suffered beyond belief at the hands of these baby stealers so please do no insult me by saying this is always the parents faults. Although my daughter has done nothing and it has been proven that she has done nothing wrong and yet....she has missed her baby's first halloween, christmas, new years, valentines day, easter, mother's day and finally her first birthday with her baby.

These are times and memories she can never get back. By the way...the attorney for C&Y in this county...drives a brand new Porche Convertable and many of the caseworkers drive new luxury cars.....they are making their money by warehousing children in foster care and milking the system. Yes there are children who need to be taken from their parents. In this county that never happens. In fact 2 of those cases where the child or children should have been taken and they never were.....the child or children in both cases are now dead.
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#11 Consumer Comment

So do you think they hire these "brainwashers"

AUTHOR: Laura - (U.S.A.)

So do you think they hire these "brainwashers" fulltime or part time? Is that their everyday job, to go around implicating false ideas into the minds of these young children for the sole purpose of placing them with foster care? Come on now, I do not believe this one bit.

I have seen people live off of the state, and blame the "system" for why they cannot "get a job" afford their own house payments (rent usually) pay their own electric bill. ect ect.

Add drugs, alcoholism, sex offenders, and criminal activity to that and what recepie do you have?

Let me evaluate that... Hmm yes you MUST be correct. It MUST be the state, and officials that are lying in court (pergery) and "brainwashing" children into saying things that never happened.

ON THE CONTRARY.. I believe it is the PARENTS who do not take their responsabilities as parents and place it where it should be, which is above themselves, and their own addictions, and conduct.

The more I read, the more it sounds like upset parents (shocked into parenthood possibly after the fact) blaming everyone else but themselves.

Have you ever visited anyone in prison? Have you ever visited a mother on welfare? (not all but some) Have you ever visited addicts? (again not all but MOST)

First- they are in denial. Second, they point the finger to the next person (even if it is towards the victim themselves) Third, they complain all about how THEY are the victims when in fact they are the perpetrator themselves, the person choosing to live off of welfare, or usually in and out of rehab centers. (usually court ordered, not because they want help, but because they would rather go there then to JAIL.)

I have seen first hand children not bathed, living in filth, police officers showing up for domestic disturbances, and finding the mother off on her own personal voyage instead of tending to the minor (very young 1 and 3 yr old) children. Is this appropriate?

I have seen first hand a house you walk into smells so badly you feel like your going to puke just at first step. Futher inside the house, you see dirty dishes (and not just overnight dishes) as in EVERY dish in the house has been in the sink, on counters, with flies, knats, maggots, for a week or more. (probably longer) Further inside the house walking over clothes because the floor is covered with clothes, trash, dirty diapers, ect. so badly that you cannot SEE the floor itself. Walk into the bathroom, (if you can open the door) and you see fecies all over the place.

You are trying to tell me those children do not deserve to be taken from that home? There is an end to this story as well, the end result, the step father was arrested, and convicted on child molestation in the most groosume acts I've seen to date. Guess where those children are? Back with their mother, in that very same dirty house, with a new step father. So the cycle continues.
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#12 Consumer Comment

Furthermore, if other family members would step up and be a part of their nephews', neices', grandchildren's, cousins', etc. lives then maybe CPS ....

AUTHOR: Lisa - (U.S.A.)

"Furthermore, if other family members would step up and be a part of their nephews', neices', grandchildren's, cousins', etc. lives then maybe CPS would not be as needed as we are."

What about when an entire family steps up and this agency refuses to let anyone involved? CYS has created road block after road block preventing innocent children from returning to their family. Not to mention brainwashing children into making false statements about their parents.
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Don't believe what you read

AUTHOR: Michael - (U.S.A.)

I am a Children and Youth caseworker for a county in PA and I have to say that the majority of these comments I have read are outrageous. Do you guys actually think we like to take kids out of their homes and place them? You must be crazy! Having to break up a family, no matter how long, is heart wrenching.

Walk a mile in my shoes if you really believe it is that easy. I give families as many chances as possible to provide a safe, stable and appropriate living environment for their children. Would you leave your child with a known sex offender, drug addict, or criminal? Are there false reports? You bet, and it sucks for the family who was falsely reported, but I would rather investigate 99 false reports and 1 real report than not to investigate at all and have a child suffer.

The problem here is that the parents do not accept responsibility for their actions and choose to blame the government and Child Protective Services for their past indiscretions.

I don't want any child to leave the home of their family, but in some cases it is in the best interest of the child. In fact, I would love it if there was no need for my job at all, but that isn't the case.

Furthermore, if other family members would step up and be a part of their nephews', neices', grandchildren's, cousins', etc. lives then maybe CPS would not be as needed as we are. Bottom line, Children need to be cared for by their families, but when that isn't in the child's best welfare, CPS has to get involved for the child's sake and well-being.
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Don't believe what you read

AUTHOR: Michael - (U.S.A.)

I am a Children and Youth caseworker for a county in PA and I have to say that the majority of these comments I have read are outrageous. Do you guys actually think we like to take kids out of their homes and place them? You must be crazy! Having to break up a family, no matter how long, is heart wrenching.

Walk a mile in my shoes if you really believe it is that easy. I give families as many chances as possible to provide a safe, stable and appropriate living environment for their children. Would you leave your child with a known sex offender, drug addict, or criminal? Are there false reports? You bet, and it sucks for the family who was falsely reported, but I would rather investigate 99 false reports and 1 real report than not to investigate at all and have a child suffer.

The problem here is that the parents do not accept responsibility for their actions and choose to blame the government and Child Protective Services for their past indiscretions.

I don't want any child to leave the home of their family, but in some cases it is in the best interest of the child. In fact, I would love it if there was no need for my job at all, but that isn't the case.

Furthermore, if other family members would step up and be a part of their nephews', neices', grandchildren's, cousins', etc. lives then maybe CPS would not be as needed as we are. Bottom line, Children need to be cared for by their families, but when that isn't in the child's best welfare, CPS has to get involved for the child's sake and well-being.
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Don't believe what you read

AUTHOR: Michael - (U.S.A.)

I am a Children and Youth caseworker for a county in PA and I have to say that the majority of these comments I have read are outrageous. Do you guys actually think we like to take kids out of their homes and place them? You must be crazy! Having to break up a family, no matter how long, is heart wrenching.

Walk a mile in my shoes if you really believe it is that easy. I give families as many chances as possible to provide a safe, stable and appropriate living environment for their children. Would you leave your child with a known sex offender, drug addict, or criminal? Are there false reports? You bet, and it sucks for the family who was falsely reported, but I would rather investigate 99 false reports and 1 real report than not to investigate at all and have a child suffer.

The problem here is that the parents do not accept responsibility for their actions and choose to blame the government and Child Protective Services for their past indiscretions.

I don't want any child to leave the home of their family, but in some cases it is in the best interest of the child. In fact, I would love it if there was no need for my job at all, but that isn't the case.

Furthermore, if other family members would step up and be a part of their nephews', neices', grandchildren's, cousins', etc. lives then maybe CPS would not be as needed as we are. Bottom line, Children need to be cared for by their families, but when that isn't in the child's best welfare, CPS has to get involved for the child's sake and well-being.
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#16 UPDATE Employee

Don't believe what you read

AUTHOR: Michael - (U.S.A.)

I am a Children and Youth caseworker for a county in PA and I have to say that the majority of these comments I have read are outrageous. Do you guys actually think we like to take kids out of their homes and place them? You must be crazy! Having to break up a family, no matter how long, is heart wrenching.

Walk a mile in my shoes if you really believe it is that easy. I give families as many chances as possible to provide a safe, stable and appropriate living environment for their children. Would you leave your child with a known sex offender, drug addict, or criminal? Are there false reports? You bet, and it sucks for the family who was falsely reported, but I would rather investigate 99 false reports and 1 real report than not to investigate at all and have a child suffer.

The problem here is that the parents do not accept responsibility for their actions and choose to blame the government and Child Protective Services for their past indiscretions.

I don't want any child to leave the home of their family, but in some cases it is in the best interest of the child. In fact, I would love it if there was no need for my job at all, but that isn't the case.

Furthermore, if other family members would step up and be a part of their nephews', neices', grandchildren's, cousins', etc. lives then maybe CPS would not be as needed as we are. Bottom line, Children need to be cared for by their families, but when that isn't in the child's best welfare, CPS has to get involved for the child's sake and well-being.
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#17 UPDATE EX-employee responds

Hang in There, Clifford!

AUTHOR: L. - (U.S.A.)

Thanks so much for finding your own doctor. No HHS/DHS/CPS employee or contractor will REALLY say anything that would be in favor of what is BEST for the child! Their favorite words are "It is NOT acceptable!" or "It is WRONG!"

I cannot, for the life of me, understand how HHS/DHS/CPS would think they are doing what is REALLY in the interest of what's BEST for the child.

I've often wondered what would happen if the young children of HHS/DHS/CPS employees or their contractor's were intentionaly yanked away from their parents, forced to endure the horrors of HHS/DHS/CPS 'treatment' plan, and then abused and/or neglected in the foster home where no one there REALLY understands how bad you're hurting. I just wonder if they'd jump up and down in joy as they hear the caseworker tell full blown lies to the parentl Maybe then, they'd promote truth so little children could be salvaged instead of being placed on mind-altering drugs or counseling.

The Bible says, "An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth .... or if a body part offends you ..." Look the scriptures up and see if they say something special to YOU!

Best of luck, Clifford. you'll need it before you get your child back. Keep us informed!
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#18 Author of original report

Thank You for your support

AUTHOR: Clifford - (U.S.A.)

Thank you for your support. I have been going to docters other then the CPS yes people. And when I go to court I speak up over the P.B.D. that does not care what happens. After all he gets payed no matter what. I Won't just roll over and let it go I will fight it. And let them know.
By the way many of the people they have had me deal with have been on my side. Only one of them gave me a bad report.
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#19 UPDATE EX-employee responds

Clifford, Please Don't Depend Upon a Good Report from a DHS Contractor

AUTHOR: L. - (U.S.A.)

Clifford, you should go to your own physician for an evaluation of your parenting capabilities. PLEASE KNOW that any contractor that DHS hires to do an evaluation OR any job, will make the evaluation favor DHS and their accusations. They are ALL one sided because they KNOW if they do not favor DHS recommendations in their evaluation, they will lose future contracts. Many of these contractors depend upon the money from DHS to support their profession. Please, Clifford, find a physician who knows you and will support YOU in the evaluation!

Clifford, please take the time to read the "CPS" reports under ripoff.com. You'll find that CPS looks for any way they can to take in a child, develop a negative family assessment, recommend a non-family member Permanency Plan and ultimately wind up adopting the child to a foster parent.

Go down to the juvenile courtroom a few times. Listen to the DHS worker as she fabricates stories (lies) and tells them to the judge! If you have a good CASA (Court Appointed Special Advocate), he/she may submit a report to counter the DHS worker's report. However, the CASA worker is often removed from the case or sorely discouraged if he/she objects to what DHS is doing and finds the parents very worthy and capable of caring for the child and following the judges orders. DHS DOES NOT, I REPEAT, DOES NOT, want children to be returned to their home regardless of the cost.

This reporter has sat in on many juvenile court hearings and found absolutely NO child that was returned to the biological family. DHS state in their reports that they return the child to the biological family but that very seldom occurs because they don't get rewards and bonuses for returning the child to the biological family. The rewards and bonuses are given ONLY when they can ADOPT the children to non-biological parents!

Now, you'll never be able to find the true statistics to verify that statement but if you'll take the time to be an observer in your local Juvenile Court, you'll see with your own eyes and hear with your own ears that DHS does NOT want any child to be returned to their biological family. They put on a front, even in these reports, that they TRY to return the children to their biological parents. Evidence through observance proves different.

DHS caseworkers and reports STATE that they try to return the children to the biological parents but out of about 100 cases that this reporter has observed in Oklahoma, not even one child was returned to the biological parents. Instead, the Adoption hearings are brim full and overflowing with Adoptions or Finalizing an Adoption. Because of rewards and bonuses given to DHS, Final Adoptions are RUSHED through so that the biological parents have absolutely NO chance to see the children again. It's MONEY!

Poor children! Once the children are Adopted, DHS hires contractors for experimental EXTENDED GRIEF THERAPY! Remember! Every DHS contracted counselor gets PAID for serving their "master" by following through on DHSs recommendations. DHS contracted counselors are PAID to confuse children ... not to help them! In this case, the DHS contracted counselor wrote a letter to the court stating "the children are too confused to see their relatives." WHO CONFUSED THE CHILDREN? WHY CAN'T THE CONTRACTOR TELL THE CHILDREN THE TRUTH TO STOP THE CONFUSION? Poor ABUSED children!

It's true! Children cannot understand why they can't be returned to their biological family. Those children don't know that the DHS agenda is to emotionally destroy their young life so they can have enormous amounts of money from AFSA and other sources flood their coffers! Those children are lied to by telling them, "Your parents have done very bad things!" (They won't tell them what the parent has done that is BAD.) Or, they'll tell them, "Your parents NEVER want to see you again!"

The biological parents NEVER has an opportunity to assure the children that they DO want to see them! The biological parents NEVER get to try to help the child recover from the devestation DHS and their contractors force upon them! The children have to try to survive the separation through DHSs Extended Grief Therapy. How sad that DHS employees work so hard to destroy the hope of little children through emotional injuries! Poor little children!

Foster parents HELP DHS and CPS take children away from families! They even help them move from foster home to foster home to accomplish DHSs goals. Some foster parents thrive on the monies that flow into their household for "helping" DHS do their child distruction activities. Others count it a privilege to keep a child while DHS 'helps' the family resolve their problems. They just don't know that DHSs ultimate goal for every child placed in their custody is to see that the child and parent NEVER see each other again. Poor innocent children!

Read the Adoptions and Safe Families Act of 1997 and its subsequent state reports. Read CPS ripoff reports to learn more about the Adoptions and Safe Families Act of 1997. That act provides bonuses and awards to DHS for every child they can manage to take into custody for any reason. The act also provides bonuses and special awards if they exceed their previous adoption goals. READ the ASFA and subsequent state reports.

Oklahoma states in their report of compliance to the ASFA that (1) they have too high employee turn over rate, (2) it takes too long to train new employees and (3) they can't figure out how to work with the father of a child. Read the report! It's on the internet.

DHS admits that as soon as a child is taken into custody, emotional damage begins. It doesn't matter how young the child is, if the child is moved from one place to another, it is emotionally damaging to their young minds. Of course, the younger the child, the less damage as there is less parental attachment to contend with. The quicker CPS can claim that the child is emotionally handicapped, the quicker the child is placed on Medicare and Social Security Disability so that monies can flood into CPS to provide funds for continued damages.

Once a child is severely emotionally damaged, CPS contracts Grief Therapists and Extended Grief Therapists to 'help' the child recover from the grief of losing their biological parents. Be assured that NO DHS contractor is about to submit even one recommendations AGAINST what CPS recommends. They know that if they make recommendations not coinciding with CPS's recommendations, they will lose further contracts.

Contractors earn a goodly amount of their income from counseling cases brought to them by CPS. Also, if a contractor disagrees with what DHS is doing, they are swiftly removed from the case and another contractor found who WILL follow everything DHS tells them to do. Poor children!

DHS has far too much power to destroy children and families! Take a look at the number of potential 'counseling' contractors earning their degree from universities across the nation. Once the degree is earned, they, with pride, begin following DHSs orders. If they fail to follow DHS orders, they lose their livlihood.

Think about it. If you don't follow your supervisor's orders, you lose your job or receive a severe admonishment. THOSE CONTRACTORS WILL FOLLOW THE INSTRUCTIONS AND RECOMMENDATIONS GIVEN THEM THROUGH THEIR CONTRACT WITH DHS. That's the only way they can continue receiving monies for their services.

DON'T LET DHS TAKE YOUR CHILD AWAY FROM YOU! Their employees fabricate stories, lie to judges and write false statements in their 'secret' files so they can destroy your family and emotionally destroy your child. THAT'S THEIR JOB!

Again, please take the time to read some of the ripoffreports under the topic of CPS. You'll learn a great deal about who you're dealing with. YOU CANNOT, AND SHOULD NOT, TRUST ANY PART OF THE DEPARTMENT OF HUMAN SERVICES OR THEIR CHILD PROTECTION SYSTEM! YOU CANNOT TRUST DHS OR CPS CHILD CARE CONTRACTORS!

Once DHS has managed to take all parenting rights away from you, they will receive $6000 bonus because the child is classified as emotionally handicapped. The ASFA will pay all legal fees AND even pay a monthly stipend to the adoptive family because the child is so emotionally handicapped. Poor children!

One family had their children removed for no good reason. When they were finally returned to the biological parents, after being separated into different foster homes, the children were so scared that DHS provided extended counseling to help them 'get over' the fear of being ripped away from their parents again!

It's wrong to INTENTIONALLY emotionally injure even one little child. But, intentional emotional injury is the primary goal of CPS!

In one case CPS intermingled and combined 4-5 cases to get the judge to help them remove all parenting rights from the parents. Remember, if the biological parents get their own children returned to their home, CPS doesn't get the awards and bonuses provided by the Adoptions and Safe Families Act of 1997. So, the only way for CPS to rake in massive amounts of money from the ASFA is to emotionally destroy children and families by submitting false reports, combining files, or abusing and/or neglecting the child.

Again, Clifford, you should find a doctor (PSYCHIATRIST) of your own chosing who will testify in Court as an opponent to the way DHS is handling their business.

Clifford, it's WRONG to take little children away from their biological parents AND adopt them to people who know nothing besides what DHS tells them! IT'S UNACCEPTABLE! No animal stoops so low as to steal another animal's babies unless they prey upon that animal for food. DHS preys on stealing children from biological families to sustain their financial appetite. Poor little innocent children and babies! Poor grieving biological parents!

Remember, Clifford, DHS/CPS contractors will NOT say good things about YOU! THEY ARE HELPING DHS/CPS IN THEIR EFFORTS TO DESTROY THE FAMILY AND THE CHILDREN. They will not breath a word in your favor! REMEMBER THAT!

If you'll notice, not even one DHS contractor will respond to the statements made in these reports that they are required to follow DHSs recommendations OR lose their income. They KNOW it's true but they're afraid to respond for fear of losing their income.

Clifford, please keep us informed as to when or IF you get your children back and how much damage they've done if/when they are returned to their loving family. Best of luck to you as you face the ripping blood dripping claws of DHS.
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