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Complaint Review: Clarion County Children And Youth Services

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  • Submitted: Thu, May 25, 2006
  • Updated: Fri, August 17, 2012

  • Reported By:Clarion Pennsylvania
Clarion County Children And Youth Services
Clarion, Pennsylvania U.S.A.

Clarion County Children And Youth Services ripping children away from families Clarion Pennsylvania

*REBUTTAL Individual responds: falsly accused

*Consumer Comment: cyf victum #89,334

*Consumer Comment: jsut a tip for u before you become sew happy

*Consumer Comment: lawyer for free

*Consumer Comment: cyf workers are leaving rebuttals

*Consumer Comment: another piece of advice

*Consumer Comment: Free Advice

*REBUTTAL Owner of company: contact me i can help.even now

*General Comment: CYS will pull some kids, but leave others with unfit parents

*Consumer Comment: Dorothy do you have assets

*Consumer Comment: If you only knew

*Consumer Suggestion: What about what's best for the CHILDREN??!!

*Consumer Comment: I agree that apparently $1300 was not enough however....

*Consumer Comment: CYS did its job

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Clarion County Children and Youth Services removed my two nieces and two nephews from their mother's home and placed them in foster care over a year ago. When the court ordered the removal, I was at the hearing and informed CYS that I or my mother would take these children. I was informed by Todd that I needed to go home and call his office, which I did. I was then transferred to Denise who stated that in order for them to place the children with me or my mother, we had to have home inspections and background checks completed.

I explained to her that my mother and myself due to our occupations have had background checks and that we both have clearances. Also that because of my mother's occupation, her home was inspected and certified by the state. Denise told me that CYS had to do the inspections.

I asked her to do them. The inspections were never completed and numerous phone calls proved to be one large game of phone tag.

The reason the children were taken was due to drug abuse by the mother. The mother and the father (my brother) had joint custody of these children however, at the time of the hearing the father was incarcerated for a perole violation.

He had a court appointed attorney who sat in the court room that day and said nothing.

My brother has done everything that CYS has asked. When they could not use that against him they accused him of sexually abusing his children (ONE YEAR AFTER they were placed in foster homes) These allegations are completely bogus. But of course they were founded by CYS even though no criminal charges were brought.

The two oldest children were placed with my cousin and her husband (the mother's brother)

The two youngest children were placed with complete strangers. These strangers (while not so strange to me... I went to school with them)as I recall cannot have children. Is this a coincidence that the two babies were placed in their care? I think not.

Now CYS has decided to adopt these children out. My brother or my entire family will never see these babies again if this happens.

I just don't understand why these children could not have been placed with my mother or myself from the beginning. It doesn't make any sense to me. How can this agency (supposedly working to keep families together) be permitted to tear this family apart? I researched an endless about of information on laws in PA concerning this and while I'm no lawyer, it seems to me that the kinship law would have required CYS to place these children with relatives.

There is so much more to this story, I have phone records where I have called CYS and just got a big run around. I was told by Denise that I was interferring with CYS business when I refused to tell her how my brother was able to contact them from jail with me on the line. I was told that I was breaking privacy laws by making a phone call to CYS and not telling them that I was on the line.

My mother spent $1300 on a lawyer and got one 30 minute supervised visit with her grandchildren. She cannot afford to keep paying lawyers for this mess and CYS knows it. The so called court appointed attorney is never in his office and never returns phone calls and rarely has anything to say in court. The Judge on the case was a former lawyer for CYS. Something is NOT right here.

Dorthy
Clarion, Pennsylvania
U.S.A.

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#1 REBUTTAL Individual responds

falsly accused

AUTHOR: john austin - (United States of America)

ive been acused molesting my own children and ive been doing everything to clear my name with clarion county cys but nothing is happening and now there badgering me all the time i tried to write to ur email for a free lawyer cause i think i need one could you please help[
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#2 Consumer Comment

cyf victum #89,334

AUTHOR: cyffaud - (United States of America)

First:Cyf is sue happy against parents. We ar seeking justice Second: where do ur statistics stem from. More evidence than not nationwide provez a pattern and cyf is exposed. Three: Dont worry about how us parents fight back against a system that targeted OUR childrdn in a cash for kid scam. 2011 a Lancaster judge went to prison for conspiring against parents with cyf

Parents are winning more and more as cyf becomes exposed by winning court cases. We have an attorney that is high profile and we are putting our ducks in order before we take on our chilfrens kidnappers
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#3 Consumer Comment

jsut a tip for u before you become sew happy

AUTHOR: Amerikan_lady(conserned citizen) - (USA)

   I know this "free attorney" claims they can win you damages but here are a few things to consider before you sue of all people C-n-y. Here's why first off you have at best a 10 % chance of winning, second the party or partys you sue can always counter sue and you must be prepared for that, I know this attorney may have good intentins but honestly not many cases can sue C-n-y and be successful with that. Some do but usuallyu only high profile and or extreme cases. Good luck and Go Bless
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#4 Consumer Comment

lawyer for free

AUTHOR: cyffaud - (United States of America)

Contact me.i am gatheing 5or more familys for this attorney to.fly in from out of state FOR.FREE.to represent us. I have enough but i want MORE. we are taking this to pennsylvaia supreme court for constitutional violation.then when you win damages you can personaly sue your cyf office from there.when your childs safe at home.when85% OF cyf cases involve children that are not abused by parents then what you find is a system of coruption
Cyf should serve only the 15% of truely abused kids,not who ever they feel they can take advantage of because they have no family support.comtact me coolladyinpittsburgh@gmail.com its all about money.now the table turned because its financially more profitable for attoreys to represent parents instead of cyfs payoffs.we offer attorneys billions in lawsits.about one million per case or more depending on how many kids were removd without providing familys a trial n jury.every dog has his day
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#5 Consumer Comment

cyf workers are leaving rebuttals

AUTHOR: cyffaud - (United States of America)

Do not become overwhelmed with negative rebuttals.cyf is trained to spy then lye about it by saying they dont work for cyf,they are using the most common technique of creating self debt by use of attact against your one wrong action against your childs life. They are scard because they know they illegally violated us and when every case they change their documents to cover up their ignorant misakes against humanity, they know it proves guilt.They are going down and just like crabs in a bucket they take who ever down with them.even if its your self esteem or an attack against your parenting.If they did no wrong there wouldnt be a contraversy,grown foster children would not win $56million a year in damages from cyf,and the gov gets to walk away bcause they hired imcompetent workers that will take the fall now for them cashing in on a money scam.Sorry i was taught in school to always walk away from shady employers because they hire dummys to make them rich,then they go to jail for their employers crooked skeam,while the employer walks away rich and he succeeded by blaming his worker for everything.Thats what will.happen here with cyf,its happened a million times throughout history.Well deserved too because nobody should ever partake of corruption even if they believe they are untouchable.come on who would corrupt documents and believe they could continuely get away with it?cyf hired a bunch of dumb crooks that thought they found CROOKS heaven on earth,where they could legally commit crimes to.humanity. the joke is on the dumb cyf worrkers that fell for this skeam head first.every dog will have his day
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#6 Consumer Comment

another piece of advice

AUTHOR: Amerikan_lady(conserned citizen) - (USA)

  About corresponding with any agency in your case CNY never communicate over the phone about important things or requests. Always send everything through mail or email. If regular mail then at post office upon mailing documents ask for a "certificate of mailing" it costs about 2.00 take a picture of the documents being sent beside the stamped "cert. of mail" and make CNY answer all correspondence through mail.
    When you carry on phone conversations it's hear say and even if you have a 3rd party witness it's irrelavent, you have the privacy issues and if you record conversation with out permission its a violation of federal communications or something to that affect. 
    If the agency requires the parent to go to 5 counceling sessions a week and the party is unable to due so because of no transportation exc. Send the agency requiring they provide the transportation.
When they have to pplay taxi and babysitter and they have no choice when there's court action they must assist with the parents with all parts of the FSP. So then they suddenly change the requirements and instead of 5 sessions it could be 1 or 2 a week or month what ever fits them. I hate to say it but most people are so nieve about this agency. If they inconviece you do the same to them. Unfortunatly, there is a last resort if all else fails and you lose the children put a trust fund in there name with certain stipulations like before getting the money they must first contact you ecx. at least then you'll have a chance to see your child and give them the money they missed out on when they could have been at home.
   I agree the kids should have been placed with family first hwever you should have contacted the agency by mail or email and not over the  phone who you talked to so and so then this denise and that's it or do you have this verification?
       I often wonder why people dont document things like this. If you have a bad case worker do you really think a phone call or a couple phone calls will do anything?. Always write or email. Have proof.
Your brother needs to get a free attorney to object to the adoption of the children and stop it once that's done it's really almost to late unless a miricale would happen and though sometimes they do in  a case like this pretty unlikely.
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#7 Consumer Comment

Free Advice

AUTHOR: Amerikan_lady(conserned citizen) - (USA)

I have some advice for you but first I must say do not listen to these comments about spending all kinds of money and giving up your assets. These people should be ashamed.
  I have a lot to say about all this. First, the courts are not about fair or right or wrong. They are a buisness. You could spend a lot of money, be 100 percent right with evidence to back it up and still lose. 
     If you cant' afford an attorney the court has to provide you with one but you must apply at the bail administration office for each hearing. Every court hearing requires a new approved app. but usually they will give you the same attorney. If you pay an attorney and they are truely good attorneys they will not be after your wallet they will work out fees and payments according to your circumstances. If they know you will lose or they just don't care about your case they will charge you an arm and a leg and you get the same results. Consult with a few if you have the money and see what they say. Always get more than one opinion if your going to spend the money and choose the one you like best
  The #1 rule with this agency is NEVER ANSWER YOUR DOOR OR THERE CARDS unless they see the child at school or other agency place don't bother talking to them without an attorney. If the agency doesn't make contact within 60 days of a complaint it can no longer be investigated.
  Here's why I say don't answer your door and this doesn't mean you won't at some point have to respond and work with them but I'll get into that part next. When you answer your door to them and allow them into the home with out an attorney present they become the witnesses and anything they want at that point can be court ordered because now they petition the court to say things like they were in the home it wasn't safe exc. The Judge with out even considering these alligtions could be B. S. signs it and bam your in the system. At there mercy. There is no law stating people must make contact. There are only laws for after the "contact" is made because again they are now witnesses.
   When you get an attorney and the free ones are held to the same standards as private attorneys make sure they are present at every meeting with the children wheather in home or outside of the parents home. Never meet with the agency with out a witness. If the free attorney isn't always available Record the meeting in your home and tell them they are on camera or it doesn't count. If they say they won't do it talk to your attorney. Private attorneys do this no problem but the free ones they work and battle the agency everyday they try to convince you the agency has the upper hand that's not the case if your doing everything right and there is no evidence to support the alligations.
The free bees will often try to persuade you to agree to terms. Only agree to the terms you are willing to.
   I will say this much the agency on the whole does have a job to do. To make sure children are safe. They sometimes bully and harass people in the process.
    The next part I'd like to get into is  sometimes  you could try to work with the agency instead of fight them. I can say if your not happy with your currentn case worker talk to the supervisor and get one you can communicate with and who's goal it is to help you get your kids back. Sometimes they will make changes in cases this doesn't mean they will drop the case but if your willing to assist them and make progress completing your family service plan it will go a lot quicker.
     You have to accept now that you will go with out your children for a while any attorny that tell's you they can get them back before the 6 months of the date of filing is full of shilt and just wants to FEE BOmb you. Focus on pleasing the agency and satisfying there concerns. THen in time you wll get your kids back. If You do not cooperate with your I'm sure rediculaus requirements they will not give your kids back.
      I don't know you I'm not judging you I certainly wish you the best. Also pray. There is a GOD and he is our guide. Ever heard the song by Laura Story "Blessings"? Google it it's a beautiful song and hopefully will help give you strenth for the day.
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#8 REBUTTAL Owner of company

contact me i can help.even now

AUTHOR: cyffaud - (United States of America)

contact me i will help you even now.gather as many people as possible i can provide free legal service.

coolladyinpittsburgh@gmail.com i will win you damages at the very least
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#9 General Comment

CYS will pull some kids, but leave others with unfit parents

AUTHOR: HollieJean - (United States of America)

My favorite is how Clarion County CYS will take some kids, and leave other ones, like ones who parents leave them unrestrained in moving vehicles, with their parents.  I feel for the family that this happened to and I wish CYS would prioritize what is more important.  It seems like if you're not one of the special families in Clarion County, you can't win with CYS, but if you are, then you're untouchable.
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#10 Consumer Comment

Dorothy do you have assets

AUTHOR: Aafes - (U.S.A.)

Dorothy, I agree the children would be better off with blood relatives. Abuse is rampant in state approved "foster" families and I would fight this with everything I had if I were you.

It is very difficult to find an attorney who will work on a "monthly payment" basis absent a retainer. Initially you will need to come up with several thousand dollars as a retainer, additional costs can usually be worked out on a payment type basis. Be careful, however, because the last person you want to owe a large debt to is an attorney.

If you have assets (home, car etc.) you may want to look into liquidating them or in the case of a home try refinancing to take cash from a mortgage to pay for this fight. If you have a relatively new car paid in full, perhaps sell it and get a used car. Be creative, you may be able to raise the retainer in many ways.

I would not let this go. Fight for the children. I commend you on wanting what is best for family.
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#11 Consumer Comment

If you only knew

AUTHOR: Dorthy - (U.S.A.)

I understand why you think the way you do and I forgive you for being so naive. But I understand that you really don't know me and therfore make this statement blindly. Their grandmother and their aunts can and begged to adequately support, care for and love them. No need for them to be placed with strangers.

The kinship law should apply here.
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#12 Consumer Suggestion

What about what's best for the CHILDREN??!!

AUTHOR: Peter - (U.S.A.)

I think that the children are better off where they are ... with the "strangers" who can adequately provide for them and love them.

The home situation sounds like a mess ... drugs, incarceration, broken families, living with gawd-knows-who in the family tree ...

Let the kids be where they are, and grow up as part of a functional family!
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#13 Consumer Comment

I agree that apparently $1300 was not enough however....

AUTHOR: Lisa - (U.S.A.)

CYS KNOWS that my mother cannot afford a lot of money to fight this. That's why they can get away with this garbage. From the research that I have completed, this is usually the case. The parents and family members cannot afford to fight them. Because they are not rich, should not be a reason to put these kids through this.

CYS did HALF their job. Removing the children from the mother may have been in the best interest of the children but placing them with strangers was NOT.

As I said before, I thought the kinship law required the children to be placed with relatives. We offered to take these children without recieving ANY government funds for doing so.

We are and will continue to fight with everything we have. If anyone has any suggestions on where to get a good lawyer who will take small payments or any other helpful suggestions, we're all ears.
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#14 Consumer Comment

CYS did its job

AUTHOR: Aafes - (U.S.A.)

CYS did the job they are supposed to do removing the children from the home, the home seems to have been a danger.

If you want the children placed with yourself or your mother, and are sincere about it, paying a mere 1300.00 to an attorney is not adequate. A decent attorney will charge $400.00 and hour plus for courtroom time, not to mention billing for time spent outside the courtroom.

The real issue is how badly you want the children placed with you or your mother, it will cost a lot of money. You need to find a good family attorney, pay probably a retainer of at least $5000.00 to start and fight CYS for placement and ask the attorney to start adoption proceedings.
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