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  • Submitted: Sat, December 31, 2005
  • Updated: Fri, August 31, 2012

  • Reported By:Bradenton Florida
Combined Transport Cardmoore Trucking
5656 Crater Lake Ave Central Point, Oregon U.S.A.

Combined Transport, Cardmoore Trucking, Mike Card, David Card, Ron Moore Fired for refusing to operate illegally. Dual log books required to work here. Driver fatique is mandatory. Ripoff Central Point Medford Oregon

*UPDATE EX-employee responds: Combined. transport.

*General Comment: RON MOORE / ANDREW WEISS convicted felons picture attached

*Consumer Comment: Ron Moore's many names

*UPDATE EX-employee responds: I too was screwed by Combined

*UPDATE Employee: Grow Up Driver...Combined transport is a great company to work FOR

*Author of original report: I think Rondal should learn the HOS regulations if he is to keep driving truck!

*Consumer Suggestion: Rondal, you should read what you wrote, not me.

*UPDATE Employee: Please Read what I said!

*Author of original report: Rondal, you cannot log sleeper time while loading/unloading...It's ILLEGAL!!

*UPDATE Employee: Combined Transport is a good to work for now.

*Author of original report: Mike the employee needs to look at the big picture here

*UPDATE Employee: Cardmoore Trucking is a good company.

*UPDATE Employee: Cardmoore Trucking is a good company.

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I am posting this approximately 2 years after the fact, as I just got the letter from the US DOT last week. They investigated and found "substance to my complaint" and have taken "appropriate administrative action" that should "bring about future compliance".

This letter came from the Division Administrator of the Oregon Division Office.

I quit a job I liked in Phoenix AZ and relocated so I could financially start a new career with this company. I was totally upfront with the recruiter on what I expected as far as equipment condition, safety and legal compliance, etc..

I also was honest about my level of experience regarding time behind the wheel and types of equipment operated.

I showed up for orientation, passed the DOT physical and the company endurance test, and road test. I then was placed with a trainer to learn how to load uncrated glass and do company required paperwork, etc.. This was a solo operation, and I was there to be a trainee, not a team driver.

From day one in training I was a team driver on top of 6-8 hours at atime loading and unloading which was logged as OFF DUTY or SLEEPER time. After day three of this I refused to run illegally and unsafely. We were well outside of legal HOS and were both fatiqued. This trainer took me back to the yard without notice or conversation and just told me to get out! No backbone here at all.

Then the driver manager calls me in and issues me a LOOSELEAF logbook and informs me that an evaluator will be riding with me for the next week or two as I need training on how to properly complete a log book. [He was telling me I had to falsify my log if I wanted to make any money].

Well, I finally got rid of the evaluator after about 10 days and got out on my own. They still expected to log all loading and unloading time as SLEEPER time or OFF DUTY time.It takes a minimum of 6 hours of very hard labor to load and pack and tarp uncrated glass, usually 8-10 hours spent on site on duty!

Then after putting in 6-10 hours of labor, you are expected to drive another 10 on the book. And the 10 is usually not enough unless you are running 80MPH the whole way!

Dan Clark fired me onsite at PPG glass plant in Fresno CA because they jerked me around and I refused to operate unsafely or illegally. I had a 9am load appointment and as soon as I arrived, they contactd me on the mobile max and said it was changed to 11, then at 10:45 they said rescheduled to 1pm then at 1 they told me 3:30 then it was shift change at 4pm at the plant, which is a union shop. At 6pm they start loading and I finish at 1am. I went to bed. At 8am the plant supervisor is banging on my door telling me to call Dan Clark. He screamed at me and cursed me out for not driving 10 hours and for still being on the site after I just put in a 19 hour day!

This is how Combined Transport operates. They have extremely high driver turnover. They have approx 300 trucks nationwide, and EVERY WEEK at the home office they hire and do orientation for 10-15 drivers, and are always short of drivers even with the new ones!

Now I have to use that US DOT letter to clear up my DAC/USIS report.

Steve
Bradenton, Florida
U.S.A.

This report was posted on Ripoff Report on 12/31/2005 07:29 AM and is a permanent record located here: http://www.ripoffreport.com/r/Combined-Transport-Cardmoore-Trucking/Central-Point-Oregon-97502-9413/Combined-Transport-Cardmoore-Trucking-Mike-Card-David-Card-Ron-Moore-Fired-for-refusin-169926. The posting time indicated is Arizona local time. Arizona does not observe daylight savings so the post time may be Mountain or Pacific depending on the time of year.

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#1 UPDATE EX-employee responds

Combined. transport.

AUTHOR: J Pearson - (United States of America)

And I bet that every post that says that combined transport is a good or great company doesn't work there any more. I was an owner operator with them. They lied on my dac report, they don't pay 100% of fuel surcharge and will always load their pet drivers around you. If you think that this company is any good, you must be new to trucking. Ohhh and I started driving in 1971, so I've been around the block a couple of times. This company by far is the worst that I. Have ever been associated with.
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#2 General Comment

RON MOORE / ANDREW WEISS convicted felons picture attached

AUTHOR: ROBERT - (United States of America)

Look out for this man in the picture / Ton Moore convicted of armed robbery /  he will stop at nothing and is armed and dangerious / $100,000 REWARD LEADING TO HIS ARREST AND CONVICTION
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#3 Consumer Comment

Ron Moore's many names

AUTHOR: New York Aerospace Exchange - (United States of America)

Ron Moore has different names and companies to ripoff people in business and drug deals.
Jon Cohen and Ron Moore learned many new tricks in their time in prison together.
They both agree their sex lives improved when they were in prison together.
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#4 UPDATE EX-employee responds

I too was screwed by Combined

AUTHOR: Ken - (United States of America)

It's been three years since it happening to me. I just lost my own equipment, when I got a call about a application I put out on Class A Drivers .com. It was from Combined Transport, dupt into going by my wife and desprit for a job, I went. Spent three weeks hauling glass for some stupid reason. They said everyone has to learn it no matter what part of the company. You see I signed up for oversized which was my gigg. After another Two weeks of hanging around their bunk house, I was finally out on the road. Ralph Head of the oversized sent me to Arizona to drop off a new truck to an old driver. This brand new truck broke down twice on the way. Had to wait for his old truck which was in the shop, for a bottom end job. Talking to the mechanic all they did was fix a few rings an throw it back together. The truck made it to Texas before breaking down again. Met up with another driver in Texas where I was to pick up my trailer. It had been sitting in a field for 9 months or more. Ralph told me it was only there for about 2 months or so, and just pick it up an run with it. In the process of checking it out, I spent another three days at the TA greasing, airing up tires, and getting new air bags on the trailer. Not to mention the tractor's air leaks fixed.   


 I was on my way to Florida to pick up my first load, almost eight weeks after starting. stopped off at home on the way through and got yelled at by Ralph for doing so. Got to Maximum Crane in Miami to pick up a crane that was too large for my nine axles. Ralph said to just pick it up an do the job I was hired to do. Upon loading the crane I popped three air bags, Another day gone waiting for the mechanic. Mechanic arrives with two good bags an one that would work. Ralph said to fix it with anything just get me running. The next morning I left with escorts and a bad permit, permit was for 89,000 lbs actual weight was 138.000 lbs. Ralph said that I didn't know what I was talking about and just do my job. I made it to Haines City, Fl before I broke down again. It was late at night and I pulled in and called Ralph to inform him of the brake down, another 2 air bags and a tire. Got them fixed and on the road bye nine, only to loose all air pressure on the road to Wildwood,Fl. Called Ralph again to inform him, after clamping off the bad brake chamber, which what was temp fixed in Texas.  


 Finally pulled into TA in Wildwood Fl to fuel and have brakes fixed. TA service Manager Called Ralph to see what he wanted to do about brake problem. Ralph told him to just fix them so they work, do not replace anything just get it so they work an let me go. The TA manager Roger trying to help me out called the DOT state police. I was told that if I moved that equipment off TA property I would be arrested for safety violations of endangerment to the public. Both Roger and the DOT officer attempted to talk to Ralph, which intern got me yelled at again and told to do the job I was hired to do. I told Ralph that all I asked for was decent equipment, and that I was not going to jail for nobody let alone them. I left the load with full documentation from all accounts. Sent copies to Combined along with tickets from DOT FL. officers.  


 While looking for another driving job found out that I was being black balled. To this day I am still being blacked balled bye them and DAC. I've tried to dispute DAC with the help of a lawyer costing almost $7,000.00 in fees, no response from DAC. or it's affiliates. I've been taken by both DAC and the lawyer.  


 I've been in this industry for almost 27 yrs running my own company with step decks,rgn's, an multi axle up to 13. I've got good ratings from companies that I got work through or done work for. To be treated like this from a company and blackballed for their lack of safety and care for their drivers safety, is obscene. All the companies that I've applied to hold this over my head even after viewing the facts in writing. It's on my DAC  and that's all they care about. Screw all the safety awards and safe miles I've driven.

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#5 UPDATE Employee

Grow Up Driver...Combined transport is a great company to work FOR

AUTHOR: Tim Thomas - (U.S.A.)

I have been with this outfit now for 4 months. I have been driving over the road since 1986. From 1995 intell now its been only flatbed. I dont see how in the world its going to take you DRIVER SIX HOURS to load and TARP GLASS. You must be a rookie loading Flats. I have never been told to run two log books. I have never heard of any of the old hands say they ever had too......If any thing they gaive you too much time to get where you are going. Come on Driver...Grow up. You sound like another 90 day wounder boy. If you have got any time at all over the road you should know driving a truck is hard work.........Your wrong......Get off the road and work for a burger joint down there in FL. Your just another cry Baby buddy........Just GROW UP
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#6 Author of original report

I think Rondal should learn the HOS regulations if he is to keep driving truck!

AUTHOR: Steve - (U.S.A.)

Rondal,

Do you actually UNDERSTAND and follow the federal HOS regulations??

Do you understand what the "continuous clock" is? If you did, you would not be suggesting to log "off duty" time as opposed to sleeper time as that WILL NOT extend your driving time available for the day.


If you are starting / "on duty" at 6AM, you are done at 8PM which is your 14 hours max on duty. That allows a max of 11 hours driving time in that 14 hours.

Now, lets look at your suggested scenario. You start "on duty" at 6AM. You drive for 4 hours and get to PPG Fresno. You log "off duty" while you get loaded. You are loaded in 4 hours. You log back "on duty" and prepare to depart, load check, etc. YOU ARE STILL DONE AT 8PM due to the 14 hour continuous clock until you get 10 consecutive hours in the sleeper or off duty.

You see, sleeper time and off duty time are essentially the same. The ONLY benefit of logging that 4 hours off duty would be to extend your total weekly hours.

And, according to FMCSA determinations to be "off duty" you must not be in "control and custody" of the commercial vehicle or be in a "readiness to work" state. If any of these apply, you are ON DUTY.

Where did you get the idea that you could log off duty? Did Dan Clark teach you that? If you are the shining example of compliance at Combined Transport, nothing at all has changed. You simply don't know what you are talking about.


Rondal wrote:
"Please Read what I said"!
"I did not say log sleeper while working, I typed log sleeper while in sleeper. I said log off duty while off duty. Read the post though".

And, clearly, that is NOT what you said, but nice try anyway.
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#7 Consumer Suggestion

Rondal, you should read what you wrote, not me.

AUTHOR: Steve - (U.S.A.)

Let me refresh your memory on what you wrote, EXACTLY from your post:
"I do not see 6-10 hours of hard labor. I might say it could take 6-10 hours to load, however 90% of that time is not doing any work, hanging out in the sleeper or chatting with other drivers. I would say that it is off duty to chat with other drivers as you are not doing anything work related and could leave if you wanted too. Or could be logged as sleeper birth as you are in it doing nothing work related. I have been compensated for long delays waiting to load. If the claims are true, here is another example that Combined operates differently. If delays happen a phone call to supervision is all that is needed to reschedule'.

The new HOS regulations would prohibit this, as you are on a "continuous clock" from the time you first came on duty immediately following your last 10 hour sleeper period. Therefore, if you were to log sleeper time and not take it, you would be operating while fatigued. You would have to log the whole 10 hours.

That is why it would be illegal. You would have to falsify your logbook to make your load on time.
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#8 UPDATE Employee

Please Read what I said!

AUTHOR: Rondal - (U.S.A.)

I did not say log sleeper while working, I typed log sleeper while in sleeper. I said log off duty while off duty. Read the post though.

I think it could take you 6 hours to start, however I am saying that most drivers even newer driver do not take that long. It is can be 4 hours, but your log book should not show you working when you are not working. If you did not understand what you were doing, and took longer fine. Why did you not call? Why did you stay awake when you where not being loaded. Fresno comes out and gets you when they are ready for you. So how is 6 hours of work, turn into 19 hours? You get there check in, go to bed. I am sure you had heard that fresno sucks and is really slow. My point is that your log book could have been managed better, legally. That you do not have to log on duty not driving because you are at the plant. You only have to log while you are working. Do I need to drag out the rule book and define the rule. Short it says work is work, no work is no work.

Everything you say is possable, I was not there. However I think your actions made the problem worse, and that the story is not complete. I am not defending Combined all trucking companies have problems. Your story has parts that are questionable.
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#9 Author of original report

Rondal, you cannot log sleeper time while loading/unloading...It's ILLEGAL!!

AUTHOR: Steve - (U.S.A.)

Rondal,

I am glad to hear that Combined Transport has cleaned up their act. This is good for everyone if true.

However, I need to ask, are you hauling UNCRATED GLASS ??? There is no way you can load that in less than 4 hours of continuous labor. The guy who trained me had been doing it a long time and with the 2 of us it took at least 4 hours, and by myself took 6+. Are you loading at PPG / Fresno?

Anyway, you suggested logging the loading time as sleeper berth. Well, that is flat out illegal. Is that what they are telling you to do?
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#10 UPDATE Employee

Combined Transport is a good to work for now.

AUTHOR: Rondal - (U.S.A.)

I currently work for Combined transport I can report that training is ran as a solo operation. I have had no problems with running Legal. In fact it is expected that you will run legal. The log dept will check your log book for accuracy. If the claims are true, that is not the way that Combined transport operates now. In fact if dispatch does over book a driver all the driver needs to do is contact supervision or the log dept. and explain the problem, and it will be handled.

I do not see 6-10 hours of hard labor. I might say it could take 6-10 hours to load, however 90% of that time is not doing any work, hanging out in the sleeper or chatting with other drivers. I would say that it is off duty to chat with other drivers as you are not doing anything work related and could leave if you wanted too. Or could be logged as sleeper birth as you are in it doing nothing work related. I have been compensated for long delays waiting to load. If the claims are true, here is another example that Combined operates differently. If delays happen a phone call to supervision is all that is needed to reschedule.

I do note that I did not see any notation that a phone call was made to supervision. I also note you mention the turnover. That is misleading as the industry in general has high turnover rate. I believe that Combined Transport has a lower than normal rate at this time. I also note a claim of 3 log books for the trainer while you were in the truck. I will not argue that point, however most drivers can see how two drivers in a truck would not need one of them to have 3 log books. In fact 3 log books is very impractical for someone running completely illegal as is.

I would be interested in the exact wording of the DOT letter from start to finish. I am aware that years ago Combined may have operated differently, but Combined does not operate that way now. It is my opinion that this was not completely Combined fault if the allegation are true. I do believe that the driver could have taken actions to minimize fatigue, falsification on the log book, and properly communicated with supervision and dispatch However, I was not there, I was not party to any problem and can only report how Combined currently operates.
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#11 Author of original report

Mike the employee needs to look at the big picture here

AUTHOR: Steve [Not A Lawyer] - (U.S.A.)

Mike,

I appreciate your response, but my issue was 2+ years ago. Long before it made it to rip off report.

I did not just make this stuff up, nor am I a rookie in the business.
I understand how things work.

Although, I do know what I was told, and since you were not there to hear the conversations, you are only entitled to your opinion.

I have the response back from the FMCSA that says based on an investigation, my complaints were SUBSTANTIATED, and CORRECTIVE ACTION[S] have been taken.

Therefore, the feds agreed with me that there were problems. And, I witnessed my "trainer" using up to 3 different log books at the same time and being onduty/driving for 22 hours straight and several days, 18-20 hours straight.

Again, I know what I observed. And, FYI..I had no problem with the hard work. I knew that was part of the deal, and was never an issue.

Thanks for the reply anyway.
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#12 UPDATE Employee

Cardmoore Trucking is a good company.

AUTHOR: Mike - (U.S.A.)

Cardmoore Trucking/Combined Transport is not a shoddy trucking company to work for.

Current guidelines for loading/unloading, and delivery eta's are as follows:

-1 day to unload and reload.
-500 miles per day to set your ETA.
-It is in the contract with the glass plants that our drivers will take 10 hours off after loading, unless the driver has the hours to legally drive.

Yes, the work is hard, and the hours are long, but no one is expected to drive illegally. Sure, the dispatchers push you to keep going, that is their job. This is why we have Driver Supervision to go tell them "No." I have never been threatened with losing my job because I was tired.

A good driver, that has gotten the hang of the job, can load the glass, and have it tarped, in under 2 hours. It just takes time to get to that point, and they know that.

I have been at Cardmoore Trucking for 9 months, and have never had a problem changing a delivery time because I was tired. If I chose to work 20 hours in a day, it was my choice. No one forces me. The only people that gripe about Cardmoore Trucking are those that couldn't handle the work, were consistently whining about the job, or had their own reasons for leaving but can't own up to it.

I am now a trainer, and we arent allowed to run like teams. If Cardmoore Trucking finds out that we are doing it, we lose our training status and face possible termination.

We have a great Log Book guy, Bill, who goes to bat for us with the dispatchers when we are out of hours.

'Nuff said.

Mike
Black Hawk, SD
U.S.A.
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#13 UPDATE Employee

Cardmoore Trucking is a good company.

AUTHOR: Mike - (U.S.A.)

Cardmoore Trucking/Combined Transport is not a shoddy trucking company to work for.

Current guidelines for loading/unloading, and delivery eta's are as follows:

-1 day to unload and reload.
-500 miles per day to set your ETA.
-It is in the contract with the glass plants that our drivers will take 10 hours off after loading, unless the driver has the hours to legally drive.

Yes, the work is hard, and the hours are long, but no one is expected to drive illegally. Sure, the dispatchers push you to keep going, that is their job. This is why we have Driver Supervision to go tell them "No." I have never been threatened with losing my job because I was tired.

A good driver, that has gotten the hang of the job, can load the glass, and have it tarped, in under 2 hours. It just takes time to get to that point, and they know that.

I have been at Cardmoore Trucking for 9 months, and have never had a problem changing a delivery time because I was tired. If I chose to work 20 hours in a day, it was my choice. No one forces me. The only people that gripe about Cardmoore Trucking are those that couldn't handle the work, were consistently whining about the job, or had their own reasons for leaving but can't own up to it.

I am now a trainer, and we arent allowed to run like teams. If Cardmoore Trucking finds out that we are doing it, we lose our training status and face possible termination.

We have a great Log Book guy, Bill< who goes to bat for us with the dispatchers when we are out of hours.

'Nuff said.
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