- Report: #768760
Report - Rebuttal - Arbitrate
Complaint Review: Consumer Safety Technology
Consumer Safety Technology10520 Hickman Road, Suite F Des Moines, Iowa United States of America
Consumer Safety Technology CST Cost me my license indefinitely!!! Des Moines, Iowa
*Author of original report: CST has a bunch of shills writing moronic stuff on here
*Consumer Suggestion: There is something You can Do about it
*Consumer Comment: Interlock gives false readings
*Consumer Comment: I would like to know who
*Consumer Comment: Wrong..wrong..wrong
*Consumer Comment: DON'T DRIVE DRUNK !!
*UPDATE Employee: Our Side of the Story
First a quick background into the FACTS:
Bottom line is that CST's device caused my vehicle to die on a dangerous shoulder off I-40. I was 125 miles from home and between the 2 trips there and back to be picked up/retrieve items from the vehicle and the tow they cost me roughly $450. The vehicle would turn over and run intermittently but after it was towed to their service center they claimed that the engine mysteriously seized in order to get out of their responsibility. I then had it towed to a mechanic closer to me that is a world renowned expert and he predicted and then proved sabotage on video while he disassembled the engine and did a thorough vehicle inspection. He said it was quite likely that because there was brand new fresh oil in the engine that someone bled it of all its oil, ran it until it seized then added oil to attempt to cover their tracks. According to him when a motor seizes with oil in it the oil would be black and be all burned up. This oil was fresh. Oh, and since I filed a complaint against CST they mysteriously failed to report to motor vehicles that I had the unit installed in a new vehicle. This caused me to lose my license indefinitely; yes, I can't drive ever again thanks to CST and their bullying tactics. Stay tuned of course for their textbook soul-less lifeless rebuttal that goes something like "We didn't do anything wrong and are responsible for nothing in this world but taking your money, We pride ourselves on customer service and although we are not perfect we really are perfect, so please contact our CEO to make things all better now."
CST does nothing but lie cheat and steal which is why they're being sued for copyright infringement which you can see here:
and they claim they're the only company that does not require you to go to a service center to have your unit re-calibrated here:
I was told I had to go to their service center which is a 2 hour round trip and twenty five dollars for the recalibration for 2 years. Anyways, without further ado, here is the BBB report in full:
Original Complaint :
have many complaints about this company from the worst customer service on the
planet and 40 minute hold times on phone calls to them but my biggest complaint
will be heard in court very shortly as I have decided to go full throttle with
a lawsuit against them. Rudeness aside,
CST creates a product that is a hazard to drivers on the road while they claim
they are protecting drivers. Not only
are the constant "rolling recalls" extremely dangerous, but I
experienced a major issue after 18 months of having one installed in my
vehicle. Their relay connect unit (the size of about half a brick) dropped on
my feet while driving and almost caused a major accident at 75 miles per hour
on I-40 just west of Seligman, AZ (over 100 miles from my home). I attempted to push it aside with my feet and
it caused major electrical problems with my vehicle causing it to die, I was
able to get it onto a blind shoulder in heavy traffic. Of course there were the problems I was
already experiencing with electrical like the fog lights staying permanently
lit so I'd have to pull the terminal off the battery every time I parked my car
and other intermittent issues I will be detailing in court. My vehicle was towed one exit off the highway
because I could not afford the $475 to have it towed to Sedona, AZ where I
live. A friend had to make the 250 mile
round trip to pick me up and bring me back to Sedona ($100 in gas). The vehicle then sat there for 2 weeks until
I could set up a AAA+ account (for $120)
to have it towed with an additional $100 charge on top. While it sat there, I had to make a 250 mile
round trip from Sedona to the car and back to retrieve the belongings from it
costing me another $100 in gas. All told
when you add up the expenses they've cost me, not to mention the grief, time,
added stress, and near fatal collision their device caused and the fact that I
no longer have a working vehicle to get back and forth to work I am making it
my mission to see to it that they are shut down indefinitely and not able to
make another attempt to eliminate one problem by creating another. If cell phones cannot be used in a motor
vehicle while driving, neither should one of these, these are far more
will be suing them in court to recoup all costs plus punitive damages and
seeking a stop order from the judge barring them from selling these devices to
anyone. I know it will be difficult and
CST can laugh about the prospect of me doing so, but I keep my word about
everything and I always complete what I say I will. I can't say the same for them judging by the
way their "customer service" reps treat people.
06/30/2011 web BBB Complaint Received by BBB
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07/12/2011 WEB BBB RECEIVE BUSINESS RESPONSE : We have
reviewed Tyler's account and made contact with our service center where his
vehicle was taken. Our service center indicates that this is an issue with the
vehicle (engine seized) and had nothing to do with our equipment. Our customer
service manager will be calling Tyler to discuss in more detail. Thank you.
07/12/2011 bbc EMAIL Forward Business response to Consumer
07/22/2011 WEB BBB RECEIVED CONSUMER REBUTTAL : (The
consumer indicated he/she DID NOT accept the response from the business.)
vehicle's engine seizing happened after the fact, it was a completely separate
incident but like any company trying to avoid responsibility, CST jumped with
joy and excitement without working out the details/chain of events. It just took the word of a service center
with no questions asked to me. After the
car died initially, I took it to a friend who had gotten it running by making
adjustments to the wiring in question. After
making arrangements with CST to have it resolved, I had it towed to the service
center and explained to them what happened.
I then received a call from the service center with someone telling me
the engine was now seized. When I went
back to the service center to retrieve the vehicle I noticed that although they
ripped out the old Intoxalock they never bothered to fix the wiring so there is
no power running through the vehicle at this time. I find it hard to believe the engine seized
on its own with good oil/oil levels, full coolant, and IT WAS RUNNING
INTERMITTENTLY RIGHT BEFORE IT WAS TAKEN TO THE SERVICE CENTER. I also find it hard to believe that someone
could diagnose a seized engine with no power running through the system because
they had all the wiring detached. What
would make someone assume a seized motor when they couldn't even turn the
ignition for spark?
this did was add more fuel to the fire, I'm sure CST didn't want to have to
cover the costs of their mistakes so they tried to pass it along to the garage
that "diagnosed" my vehicle.
I'm pretty positive that a blue collar mechanic is not going to lose his
shirt on something that is ultimately the responsibility of a multi-million
dollar corporation and that that corporation is also refusing to accept
responsibility because it would add credence to the fact that their device is
currently have another mechanic looking at the vehicle, he is going to rebuild
the motor and record the entire process in high definition from start to finish
looking for any signs of sabotage. This
is the guy that built 2 of the Fast and Furious cars so if there's something to
be seen (and I'm pretty sure there is) he'll find it.
I still fully intend to take CST to court at this point, they have done the
opposite of taking care of their responsibilities and have now cost me an
additional $1200 for the motor rebuild not to mention countless hours of time
(which is money). I guess we'll meet
each other in court - I with my full proof, pictures, audio, video and
professional testimony and they with the same lies they use to attempt to cover
07/25/2011 lbc MAIL Forward Consumer Rebuttal to Business
08/04/2011 WEB BBB RECEIVED BUSINESS' REBUTTAL RESPONSE :
Our device cannot cause an engine to seize. Our company does not in any way
attempt to dodge responsibility for anything. We have discussed this with the
service center that did the work on Mr. Ayers' vehicle and the technician
confirmed that the engine had seized prior to it being brought back to his
location. Our device meets or exceeds all NHTSA requirements as well as all
state requirements. There are many thousands of ignition interlocks installed
in the U.S. and safety is rarely a complaint. We can only assume that any
safety concerns Mr. Ayers has are related to the rolling retests. These are not
required by our policy, but by federal and state laws and regulations. Based on
our research of this situation, we believe this is strictly a vehicle issue
that is 100% unrelated to our equipment. Again, we are not trying to circumvent
any responsibility. If, in some way, we were responsible for damage to a
vehicle we would make it right immediately. This is clearly not a caase where
our equipment or our service center is at fault.
08/05/2011 bbc EMAIL Send Business' Rebuttal Response
08/09/2011 WEB BBB CONSUMER REJECTS BUSINESS' FINAL OFFER :
(The consumer indicated he/she DID NOT accept the response from the business.)
company is unbelievable. They project
that if they keep saying "not me, I didn't do it" it will just get
them out of their responsibilities. In
this sense they are not unlike the little bully on the playground that gets
caught red-handed ("wasn't me, nuh-uh"). I've already explained that the chain of
events is off and CST wants to keep it that way because that's how they can get
away with it. The vehicle would start
and run intermittently right up until it was towed to their service
center. I feel like I've written this
someplace before, oh yes, I have. I now
have 3 expert mechanics that have looked over the vehicle, swear to some level
of tampering/sabotage and have filmed the complete dis-assembly of the motor in
HD for everyone's viewing pleasure. I
would like to post a copy of it along with the sworn testimony of these three
mechanics to the BBB if they'll accept it.
If not I'll find someone that will or create my own site, I am that
ticked off at this company.
also wanted to mention a few other interesting things. Keeping with CST's amazingly ego-driven
approach to running a company I was informed by one of their customer service
managers that their engineers had been working on their device for 20 years so
that meant there couldn't be any flaws and that they were 100% perfect. I then mentioned about the fact that they
just replaced the tether from the relay to the breathalyzer in my vehicle when
they replaced the new unit to which she claimed (oh, we've had that for 2 years
now). I've had my device for 18 months,
why wasn't mine installed with their state-of-the-art coil tether
initially? I thought they were perfect? I then told her that her engineers should be
working for NASA since they never make mistakes. Imagine a space program where there was no
risk of blowing up because the engineers from CST are on the task! Well she didn't like that at all of course
but mostly because it's true and makes sense.
You screwed up, admit it, take care of it and move on. I'm tired of this back and forth garbage but
I am making it a personal imperative to see to it that these devices are banned
due to the imminent danger they pose.
Drivers should be concentrating on the road and all the hazards that go
with it, not on reaching for this device every 13 minutes (I love the
numerology by the way, thanks CST!) and then blowing and sucking until you
almost pass out. My attorney is already
on it, I'll keep you posted.
08/09/2011 bbc MAIL Forward Consumer Rebuttal to Business
08/19/2011 WEB BBB RECEIVED BUSINESS' REBUTTAL RESPONSE :
We're not in any way attempting to skirt responsibility for anything. As
mentioned previously, we will always stand up for issues that we are
responsible for. Every company has issues from time-to-time and many will not
take responsibility and make things right. We are not one of those companies.
We are very focused on excellent service. However, we have investigated this
situation and based on all of the information at hand, this appears to clearly
be a vehicle issue that has absolutely nothing to do with our equipment. How
else would we be expected to respond when our research indicates this is in no
way our fault. If someone in our organization did, in fact indicate that the
equipment is perfect, they would be mistaken and never should have spoken those
words. No piece of technology is perfect. We do have a nearly 20 year track
record, however, and the system is extremely well engineered. In terms of the
claim that these are in some way dangerous, there are many thousands of
ignition interlocks on the road and they are all mandated to use certain breath
patterns and to require rolling retests as the vehicle is being driven. This is
not something that is in our control. And they are not difficult to introduce a
sample into. We have many people of all ages and various states of health and
they are able to use the equipment effectively. These devices are very
effective in preventing drunk driving overall and they reduce repeat offenses.
We're not sure what more we can provide given the circumstances. Again, we
firmly believe this is a vehicle issue caused in no way by our equipment or
installation procedure. Thank you.
08/19/2011 bbc EMAIL Send Business' Rebuttal Response
08/22/2011 WEB BBB CONSUMER REJECTS BUSINESS' FINAL OFFER :
(The consumer indicated he/she DID NOT accept the response from the business.)
is unbelievable but I assure you I am not backing down regardless how many
times CST wants to say "nuh uh, it wasn't me". CST did zero research yet they are claiming
"...our research indicates this is in no way our fault." What research? Can we see it? As I said already I will be providing video
evidence and testimony of three highly qualified top-notch mechanics that will
prove otherwise. That's the definition
of research my friends, actual leg work and investigation into the FACTS. Not spin, which seems to be the evidence of a
generation of wackos like these.
love how they're now claiming "No piece of technology is perfect."
which is a far cry from the conversation I had with one of their superstar reps
that was obviously "...very focused on excellent service" when she
told me repeatedly over a recorded conversation that the device was
foolproof. This by the way is also what
they forcefully bark at their clients (you know, the ones they refer to as
"convicts" in all public references) when false positives occur which
can happen quite often depending on what you eat or drink or wear (yes, cologne
sets the thing off). In other words,
their tune has changed for the purposes of this BS charade but go ahead and use
their service and enjoy a couple of years of being treated like a child and
having zero recourse when they create an issue in your life and refuse to admit
CST's words again "...there are many thousands of ignition interlocks on
the road..." and they come from many different companies so do yourselves
a favor and choose one of the other ones!!!
CST prides themselves on not owning up to their responsibilities like
they expect you to, oh and by the way, since I opened this case they did a big
whoopsie and mysteriously "forgot" to report to the DMV about my
device being installed in a new vehicle after their faulty equipment caused the
demise of my now dead one. This means my
license is now suspended INDEFINITELY after going through 21 months of hell
with their device. Three months from
freedom and I now can't drive for the rest of my life; thanks CST for
everything, I'll make sure I recommend you to everyone.
and just to point out again your lack of care about human beings, "In
terms of the claim that these are in some way dangerous..." they are
dangerous and they have caused major accidents leading to injuries and DEATHS
sustained not only by the "convicts" but by the "innocents"
they struck while they were focusing on blowing into your stupid piece of
techno-junk and sorting through the faulty cable you've since replaced. Well I do care about people CST, even if your
lobbyists that you pay to bribe politicians do not. You care about money and that's all this back
and forth nonsense is with you, you protecting your ASSets. All you had to do was take care of YOUR
responsibility from the start of this thing.
I am firmly poised to bring down your company in any way possible, I now
have nothing to lose thanks to you. Oh
by the way, my kids thank you too. They
say no biggie that dad can't drive us anywhere ever again or do little things
like go to work to feed us, yeah, great people you are. Money money money! Bling bling!
these devices DO NOT "...reduce repeat offenses" like CST claims in
their rebuttal and this has been proven over and over again. The only thing they do is make a heap of cash
for CST and pose a threat to ALL drivers on the road today. Think of the logic, you can't use a cell
phone but you can take the time out of your concentration to blow until you
nearly pass out (and I'm sure people have which is why there have been so many
accidents due to these hunks of junk).
And sadly now CST is "...not sure what more we can provide given
the circumstances." What I'd like to know is what have they provided
besides "we're a great company so it's not our fault"? Again, they
have failed to meet their responsibilities and for that I urge you to
choose a different company if you need to have one of these devices installed
in your vehicle you stupid silly little convict you.
one last thing, CST "cares" so much about its customers it is
planning on tracking you and watching every thing you do in the very near
future. They've actually gone and done
the unthinkable, George Orwell's 1984 right here in 2011 with CST's next model
including GPS tracking device and video surveillance!!! It's so disgusting it makes me want to puke
but talk to the CEO about it, I'm sure he's a great guy and would love to fill
a convict in on "money money money", whoops, I meant why his company
is spying on citizens. Citizens guilty
of the same crime committed by George W. Bush 3 times, Dick Cheney twice, and a
great percentage of congress men and women that never have to face the loaded
barrel of the mouth of this clown calling them convicts. Why?
"Money money money, I just want some money."
truly become a sad world we live in since the bullies now grow up to enslave
you with their tehcno-dorkocracy. Well I
was the guy that used to take down all the bullies in school and this company
has backed me into the corner for the last time in my life.
08/22/2011 bbc MAIL Forward Consumer Rebuttal to Business
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